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Hey Ave Joe, two observations on the Zendure v, 1. The pull handle should be at the bottom. Pulling from the top puts the pressure down on the front wheels. 2. The accessory pouch should be attached to the battery pack. FROM TORONTO
Some apple and oranges. In your video, you sometimes removed the Anker battery for a pro item (like charging an EV) yet did not mention that now you have a 3800W system vs 6144W for the ecoflow. Same thing that you included the Anker extra battery when you compared it to the ecoflow and saying that the Anker had more Watts because of the extra battery. A more fair comparison (including prices) is to compare either ONLY with no extra batteries or #2 BOTH with an extra battery. Because the Ecoflow gets cheaper in $/watt than the Anker the moment you add at least 1 extra battery. And much cheaper when you add 2 or more extra batteries.
FWIW, I am a 30 year electrician who recently installed an FS3800 in conjunction with a Solix smart panel. This is not my first rodeo. In testing, with grid power completely shut off, the system burnt up some electronics and burnt out several light bulbs. Voltage is within spec, but higher by about 4 volts than coming directly out of the fs3800. 121.9 volts is still perfectly acceptable. We then checked the sine wave with a portable oscilloscope, and that seems fine as well. My suspicion is that it's some kind of defect in the smart panel, but for the life of me, I don't know. Be aware that these are very sophisticated and complicated devices, and the more complexity you add, the more difficult it is to troubleshoot a problem.
I’m a complete newbie to this world. Customer service is incredibly important to me. Anker’s customer service has been terrific - not just reactive but proactive.
Ecoflow for home back up, Anker for RV or on the go use. I ended up getting the EcoFlow Ultra, I had supported Anker but when they decided to only allow half of the solar input I went with EcoFlow.
One huge “con” for me on the Anker is that ugly cable sticking way out the side for battery expansion. The EcoFlow stacks much nicer and has nice, tidy 90 degree connectors.
Good comparison, thanks! On a quick search the anker is about $4700 with the expansion battery and the ecoflow is about $5800 so a difference of $1100 with eco flow being more expensive. An alternative comparison would be 2 Ankers with no expansion batteries which would be $3500 x 2 -> $7000 This would make the anker system more expensive by $1200 (almost the same difference but anker being the more expensive one this time) But then you get way more inverter out of the Anker and pretty equivalent batteries (solar still sucks though voltage wise...) 2 ankers, 12kw, would run a lot of house (probably 100% of a house). HERE's THE BONUS... if you went camping you could just pull one Anker out and bring it with you for the trip and have plenty of camping power AND the empty house would be 100% backed up (fridges, freezers, etc) with the left behind unit if something went wrong while you were away.
Input voltage is critical! Higher the better. I purchased my Pro delta a couple years ago and it was about the same as the Max is now but less features by far. I purchased my system as a backup but why let it sit idle so I wired it into my panel and use it daily, when the sun doing its job 😂
They should be made to allow unlimited expansion, and also work interchangeably as the chemistries are the same. That would be cool. I'm pretty sure that battery prices will halve in the next few years, so I would buy the base plus 1 or 2 and just build up gradually over the coming years.
If I am not mistaken, neither of these units can use the inverter when charging from 240v. Additionally, the Anker shuts off the 240v when charging from the 120v as well. The Ecoflow can still run the 240v outlets when charging from 120v. This was the dealbreaker for me on the Anker as I would potentially use a gas generator to charge up the units when in a sustained power outage and if I can't charge and use the 240v it would be a big drawback.
Yes that is another that I forgot to mention. I did have a little meeting with them and I mentioned this very thing. Hopefully in the future they can address it.
@@AveRage_Joe Thanks Joe! I appreciate all the content and just wanted to call that one out before someone made an expensive purchase. Honestly I was set to buy the anker until I cam across that info and I am glad I did. I would have been pissed the first time I tried to charge and everything shut off.
The « ev » button is just a marketing thing because you can plug an ev charger directly on any 25 or 30 amp outlet with the right adaptor. 18:13 Mine is a portable evduty charger with a 6-50R plug. the charger basically communicates with the car but that’s it.
I got the Ultra with 5 batteries. Ran 4,000w of solar to it. It’s amazing. Lessons learned: I charge my EV every other day at 4,000w for 6 hours. EV chargers require a ground neutral bond. I made a GN plug and put into 120 socket and works perfectly. I did buy a nema 14-30 splitter and run one into house transfer switch and the other to car charger and found the GN plug is not needed since it’s bonded at the transfer switch panel without even being on, fantastic. One thing no one mentions is you can not have the 120 charge plugged into wall outlet and run the 240 nema. It tries to pull the load from your wall outlet when you draw off the 14-30, ie. 4,000w. You get error code 274. It’s one or the other, wall plug to charge (even if you’re not charging) or 240 plug running. Sucks!
Are you sure that the EcoFlow cannot output 240V while charging via 120V? Another reviewer demonstrates that this works without issue: ua-cam.com/video/2K9mlryo8lI/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared&t=246
I believe there is a firmware update that just fixed or is in process of being released the X-Fusion function. The EcoFlow online manual is more thorough than previous stations
The summary page at about 22:22 is not quite correct for the total solar input, it shows the amount for a single inverter. Ankor max solar with 1/2 inverters is 2,400/4,800, and Ecoflow max solar with 1/2/3 inverters is 5,600/11,200/16,800. Just one Ecoflw inverter accepts more solar than 2 Ankor.
@@AveRage_Joe ... I know you have to do your own research, but as a baseline go to DIY SOLAR POWER WITH WILL PROWSE and MINUTEMAN PREP. And you are not the only one to miss this sleeper. ... CITY PREPPING does a good job but seems to have missed the APOLLO. Don't let it get away from you. The advantage of the two you compared is that they each put out 240, but the Apollo (set up in split-phase tandem) is pretty amazing. I like the "soft start" solar inverter wake up. I also like that the Apollo, push come to shove, has both redundancy and can be split between two locations as single phase.
Bro, saw the thumbnail and was like yes please. I'm honestly not that impressed with the Anker because of that 60v solar input limit. Hard to take this thing too serious with that kind of voltage limit. But I'm glad we're seeing 240 built in so kudos to superbase (who did it first I think) and for Anker and EF following up as well. Aight time to watch.
Hi, thanks for the video. Great job actually, the Delta pro ultra has more power because the anchor has an extended battery on it. The Delta is only using one battery.
I'm confused please help. At 13:49 you said that the Anker can be charged by both the home and solar at the same time. At 14:34 you said that as a con that it could not. Did I hear that right or did I miss something, and what is the reality? Thanks
I still want to hook up my spare batteries through the solar charging port for extended battery charging. Although I could use and old inverter to charge with AC produced from my batteries. I guess it would be the Anker as I can get in the game for the lowest price.
I think I would do that. Use spare batteries if I were completly off grid and or in an emergency. I love them because they can run the Stove, AC and Dryer. I think that is amazing lol😄
Which one will replace my loud generator so I can run the ac and internet when the power goes out for 3 days in Texas during hurricane season. Please and thank you
Houstonian here after Beryl. Came looking for a similar solution. Seems like EcoFlow may be winning on the backup side. If there's an option to charge these using a backup gas-type generator that would be a big plus
I've had too many issues with Ecoflow software. The company just expects you to deal with it. I have to reset my Delta 2 very often to get real data. For that reason I can't consider any more Delta products. I need reliable software!!!
As of today, I can get the ultra on sale from a company for about the same price I can get the Anker with the extra battery so it’s pretty much a wash great job
Joe, thanks for an informative and excellent video as always. I live in Mexico in a condo with only a 50amp service and full panel. Because here on the coast we experience some severe weather and some rolling blackouts in the summer. I want to add a battery backup with a smart panel. Most likely I would want around an 8-10KW system, possibly with a small solar feed from portable panels. Typically I would recharge from 120v AC. Are there other systems you would recommend over or in addition to these two?
14:22 good job. Have been waiting for others in your line of work to do this. You didn't differentiate between the too and that the Delta Pro Ultra has no battery capacity within the inverter section alone. Would also have included the Hysolis Apollo. As for generator charging, have never quite understood if an inverter generator is necessary
Thanks!! If I had the Hysolis I would include it (They did contact me but was super busy at the time). I dont know why an inverter generator wouldnt work BUT I also havent looked into it to be honest.
@@AveRage_Joe YOU GOT IT BACKWARDS on the generator. ... It's about dirty power, frequently cleaned up by the EG4 CHARGEVERTER. I'm wondering whether or not an INVERTER GENERATOR is REQUIRED to CHARGE.
Thanks for the comparison, good job! But the EcoFlow is more than a little bit more expensive, it's $1,000 more expensive! For my use case, it's Anker all the way! But I really dislike how UA-camr always say they want to hear our comments, when actually they don't. Commented posts just help get their videos seen more which could bring in more likes.
Great comparison :) The BIGGEST gotcha for the Anker is that you can't charge via AC and get 240v output at the same time. I didn't hear you mention that in the video but maybe I missed it? Did you know that? I am currently testing the Anker F3800 unit and the 240v output is DISABLED when you have AC charging connected. So if you plan to charge from 120v anytime, you won't be getting 240 volts. Interesting choice in design. I think you would still need an EV charger for both of these which takes the 240v and turns it into high voltage DC to charge a car battery (at least the owners manual shows an inline EV charger). Both units have really good build quality and really good support/warranties so it's all about what you are looking for.
You know how it goes lol. After you make the video you start remembering all sorts of stuff😆🤷♂️ Also for the car charging double press on Anker. Doesnt that make the power station a "stand alone" system which bonds the neutral to ground kinda thing. Id have to check to make sure. Yeah both systems are very capable!🤘
I have been only single pressing the inverter on button and I get 240v. Thats all I did for powering my house and critical loads. For charging off 120v and 240v being disable....yeah. I wonder if that could be fixed with a firmware update🤔
Update: I tested after getting home from work... 1 press gets both 120v and 240v enabled... I need to talk to their engineers about 'car charging mode' since the owners manual leaves much to be desired! It explains the feature in 1 line... (edited previous comments to remove my confusion)
Anybody tried connecting a 48V alternator (regulated to 25A) to one of the solar inputs on the Anker? The port specs look like it should work? That would let it recharge from the RV much faster while driving.
great video thank you!! Im looking for power back up in emergency for my 50amp RV. My AC is 30 amp so the anker woudnt run it? also, can the anker be run laying on its side? it's too tall for my storage compartment. Can any solar panel work with either of these or proprietary only?
I'm curious how the solar AC coupling works with the Anker? I have a grid tied solar system using enphase iq7 micro inverters. I was told this will only work with enphase's battery system.
I also have an Enphase micro inverters for a grid tie system. I just purchased the Anker Solix solution with the Home Panel. It has CT sensors for the main lugs in the main panel and a CT sensor for the solar breaker. It will be able to tell when Excess Solar is being produced and charge off that. I'm getting a subpanel as well and moving some circuits to it, so the Anker can provide power them in grid down situation. Main reason I went with this solution is to being able to store solar energy produced and then use to feed both the sub and main panel while in "on" grid connection. It will not back feed to the grid.
EcoFlow stating charges from solar and grid together if I’m reading it correctly. This new unit will soon be sold at a discount, $1000 buy in discount was offered originally
Yep, I mentoned the EcoFlow can do AC and DC charging while the Anker cannot. Both companies had some really big discounts or early bird specials just a few weeks ago. Crazy right!
You can charge the ecoflow by gas a generator and wall outlet. If its connected to the shp2 then by grid(through the grid input wires that feed the panel), generator( by the generator breaker/input) and solar.
Nice comparison of two products that have caught my interest. Question: If I'm not worried about portability, and I don't currently have solar, would you recommend something like this for emergency home backup, or would I be better off with something like a Big Battery Condor and a wall mounted inverter?
Thanks and thanks for watching. That is always the age old question. Ive been doing the diy stuff, off-grid stuff, testing out systems and the portables as emergency use because I dont want to lose power especially in the cold weather we have here in Nebraska. If you want a short term backup system to run critical loads thats SUPER easy. Doesnt require much of you other then to use it occasionally(if no emergency). Then one of these would work great as they sit. I did a simulated test a week or 2 ago when the temps were -15f and ran basically my furnace and fridge for 6hrs straight, made coffee and ran a few lights from the F3800. Expansion battery came later. I dont think thats to bad for those temps outside. The question is, what would you want to run and for how long? Anyway, both are expandable to suit your needs with or without solar. A wall mounted inverter and a big battery are always king IMO. Like I said, I started in the diy area and built my own battery system. Ive used a battery and an inverter longer. Many just dont have the time or know how, these fill the gap.🤘
@AveRage_Joe Thanks for the additional information! I'm in PA, so my two biggest concerns during an outage are the furnace (gas, but has electric blower) and a sump pump, because we have a finished basement. Anything more would be for convenience. I'd LOVE to pick your brain sometime about how to best connect everything. I'm torn between a simple transfer switch, and an inverter that would switch over automatically if we aren't home when the power goes out. I've been watching your videos for quite a while, and I've learned a lot. You always do a great job!
Nice review! I would go with the Anker between these two. Have you done any testing the solid state units that are starting to be released? I have also been looking at a unit by Yoshino. Thanks!
Thanks! Yoshino contacted me a few weeks ago. Still need to reply🤭 I have another brand on the way and Im pretty sure it has semi solid state batteries like the Yoshino but need to verify!🤘
Ok, thanks! Please keep me updated. I subscribed but would like to see how these compare to the Anker. Would you mind telling me the other brand? Feel free to inbox if you prefer. Thanks! @e_Joe
The Anker design company hit a home run with the built in portability. I am in the market and its hard choice. I really like the Hysolis Apollo but its such an awkward size and the dolly system for off road is huge. I see myself using one that I put on the back of my truck or golf cart to do projects on my property. While using it stationary for certain tasks. I think if I was not going to drag them around the Apollo has such a better PV input for off grid applications. The Ecoflow comes in second and Anker third but because of it having a better form factor I might have to buy it.
You can charge an EV (if for some reason you wanted to) with the EcoFlow Delta Pro Ultra. You just need to purchase an accessory cord that leaves the right side of the machine. I thinks it’s referred to as output to EV charger (or something like that)
If you have three inverters for the ecoflow, shouldn't you have 3x the solar charging capacity? also when the solar is finish charging the battery, where does the energy flow, I'm assuming it flows out o the smart panel if you have it connected and powers home loads. What if you have no loads to power? will it flow out to the grid?
In July, I consume about 20KWH a day. Sure wish the cost of these systems would come down to handle that kind of power use. Perhaps salt battery systems in the future will bring that cost down enough to entice me.
Great video review, thank you! Can you help identify best solar panels to use with this unit besides the portable ones due to the limited 60V solar input? On some reviews I’ve seen they using the F3800 unit with 3 panels in parallel that are LG 365W each. 47.7VOC, 9.39Imp total of 28.17 amps potential using two 3 panel strings to connect of the F3800. Any thoughts if these will work and your panel recommendations?
Thanks for a great comparison. Can you give us a little more understanding of the AC Coupling feature that is unique to the Anker unit? If I am putting in grid-tie solar system does that mean I can charge the Anker off that inverter and not care as much about it's lower voltage PV inputs? Feeling a little stupid here! LOL
Yes BUT you need the Home Power Panel! If you install a grid-tie system. You would be able to charge the F3800 through the home power panel. If or when the grid goes out, you have a battery backup that can continue powering your loads/a sub panel.
Good video, the Anker F3800 system is decent. I have two F3800's and 6 BP3800 expansion batteries and a Home Power Panel... so I am speaking from experience. Unfortunately I would not buy again because but they essentially have no customer service. And when they do firmware upgrades, they don't know the changes in specs. And they don't ship anywhere near their promised shipping and delivery time. But as for support, each call or chat takes hours and each response it automatic and says they will reply in 2 days... even for the most basic questions. So unless you're a solar expert, don't count on ANKER for any help unless you have a ton of patience. If I could do it all over again, I would go with the EcoFlow
Good afternoon. I’m wondering if you could share with me a location on the web where my electrician could understand more about the Anker home hub so that he could tie in my solar array into the system? Thank you
I should have a link in description. If you have an existing AC coupled Solar system. You wont need to do anything to it. You will however need to have a subpanel installed and all circuits that you want backed up moved over to it. The home power panel will be installed in the middle and act like an automatic transfer switch. If the power goes out, your existing solar will still shut down as normal however the power panel will "switch on" and continue to provide power to the sub panel.
Can I run a wide heater as well? Or am I gonna have a flicking thing with the water heater and the dryer all the time? And both of them put together makes like 9600 W. But apart, yeah, it's running individually. Yes, no problem, but but at the same time when the wash machine's going. Yeah, probably not so much. And what I should say is Close washer and Water heater.
I have a question then. Because I don't have the grid the only thing out but I have as inverters and generators. So will it work without the grid? I believe they're supposed to, and there'd have to be a hook up the solar panels. Cause that's all I use. No matter what that's all I'm gonna lose. I don't got any gas generators gas, this or gas. That I won't get any of that either. It may help it would heck. I don't even know how to guess grill. And I will never get one of those either.
@@AveRage_Joe Thank you for the reply. I don’t have any panels and I didn’t even buy the f3800 yet. I’m just looking to see if I can actually connect 2400 watts of home style panels to it. I want to use it for a home backup unit that I can take out camping once in a while, that’s why I like its size.
at 3min 45 secs you talked about charging the devices EITHER FAST or slow.. why does these units have that option.. why does it matter if u plug it into a wall to charge the POWER station you would want it to charge ASAP.. sorry what am i missing??
id like to get your professional opinion, so looking at both of these but would seem i would lean more towards Delta as i want this for a full whole home back up scenario for a 24-36 hour back up but i also want the ability to charge them from my back up generator at the same time. Does the Delta have Charging input other than the 110 AC directly to the unit or should i consider a Generator inlet tied into the panel to backfeed and Charge? too many damn decisions.
Is 6000w/7200W enough current to run a house with 2x300W fridge, PC with a 1000W PSU, and a 4090 but only game a few hours a day and not during cooking hours, electric Stove top and Microwave during cooking hours, LED lights, one 65" Qled TV and 3kW HVAC ( can probably turn off HVAC when cooking if needed)? Also how much battery capacity do you need in mild climate in a well insulated 2500 sqft home. Thinking about using the F3800 w/2-4 batteries or EcoFlow Ultra with 2-3 batteries. Is ~12 to 18KW enough?
Oh, so I could hook that right up to my kitchen stove oven. I love that hooked that right up to hook up solar panels, and I never have to worry about power being too short for my kitchen oven stuff, I love that don't have to look up to the power system on it too. So I can't wait directly to make dear plugin, but that only needs 3600 W to run that. But it is 50 amp kitchen stove oven. I only think it has fifty amps in my house. And then I could hook up the Eco for right directly to my dryer since I've got the plugin for that. Even as though he said to can't reply, and that looks straight directly to my dryer for clothes drying that runs 4800 W so let's do just fine. I just have to buy more batteries. I hooked my solid panels of that as well then which I do have enough solar panels to look up 3 or 4 systemsthat's no big deal. At least I found a use for both of them. But then every time I hooked up silicon, I never did hook it up to the house. I mean I hooked up to Some small inverters around certain things in the house, but never everything all at 1 time but I hook you each and everything up into individually part of things, and that's why I don't have to use the electrical house. I don't care since I'm ripping out of the house anyways.
My question is if the Ecoflow delta pro ultra has the capability to run a 230 volt,12,000 btu split type inverter AC for 6 to 7 hours sleep time, and a medium size refrigerator at the same time using this two appliances only.😴🤔
If using 2 F3800's, Id use a 50a outlet because you get 25a per leg amd could power more stuff. Could you use a 30a, yes but keep the loads at 30a so you dont over heat the cable and outlet.
Does either unit support pass through ac charging? In other words...if i want to turn on the inverter, plug the 240 volt plug into my automatic transfer switch to my house critical loads panel...but want to also have it plugged into the 120 volt charge side to keep it fully charged?
@AveRage_Joe I'm not sure I follow when you say a ground loop? The ac charging will come from a 120 volt circuit that is powered by the main panel. The 240 volt will be plugged into an automatic transfer switch that stands ready to power a sub panel if the entire grid power goes down. That sub panel will allow the lift / elevator to finish its trip up or or down should a person be stuck or just use the lift when power goes out. It's no different than what a UPS does....just gives other options beyond a dedicated UPS.
I have a oddball question. My electric company is starting demand pricing with higher rates from 4 to 9 pm. which system would be able to run the house for those times. Everything is gas execpt AC and Stove. I know Ecoflow has the smart panel that can be programed butI dont know if it could be set to run between those times, I also dont know if Anker of Bluetti have something that can do that. any recomandations?
But I would charge it up using a few hours of gasoline generator thus extending by limited fuel supply way longer and sleeping well at night in my home . Solar is fine but slow and bad weather is when duh the sun is not shining . Off grid long term sure solar plus a Harmony vertical wind turbine is way to go . But my 2200 watt Honda becomes my wall outlet lol
What about pass through charging? I understand the Ecoflow does and the Anchor doesn’t? Does that mean I can plug the Ecoflow in with a generator plug/ lockout and keep up with some charging by plugging it in to a inverter hooked to my car?
Yeah that is a way of passthrough charging. Another is using a generator. I wouldnt plug into the wall outlet tho since its all on the same electrical system and would create ground loops.🤘
@jimfields9491 If you want low frequency inverter look at the Titan 240 sp from Point Zero Energy. Low is better and definitely tougher, last longer than high frequency, and those are both high frequency
Its a 25a port and it will start my dryer perfectly. It can also start my 4ton AC (with soft start) easily. In the first video I made, I show it working.👍
In reality, the ultra is not more expensive with the other unit. You have to buy the unit plus an extra battery to get about the same amount of power with 1200 W less inverter.
I've heard Ecoflow has terrible customer service but I've heard nothing but good things in regards to customer service regarding Anker. I have a few ecoflow products but I won't be buying anymore of their products I've seen and heard too many horror stories I've decided to go with Anker for future purchases. These power stations/solar generators are very expensive good support is critical if something goes wrong.
22:40 you did not discuss reliability, known flaws, customer service response time, US vs overseas customer service. ... Just know that there are a lot of guys out there doing what you're doing, looking for me to go to their online stores. You're doing well, do better.
One of these products is actually portable. The other is more powerful. If you need the power of the EF Delta Pro Ultra, what you really need is a stationary, component-based system. If you need a powerful solution that is still reasonably portable, the Anker Solix F3800 is going to be much easier to move around. The fact that the Anker will do everything you could reasonable ask from a portable power station, and costs $1,100 less than the EF product makes it kind of a no-brainer. The low, wide and largely immobile Deltra Pro Ultra is a big swing and a miss by Ecoflow, in my opinion.
You did not mention the anker is a brick when you need to charge with AC as 240 volt plugs are shut off plus half the 120 plugs. This is not much good in home back up, big brick
No I did not as well as a few others I probly forgot. I will say however I have expressed the importance of these directly to Anker for backup situations. I think they have since fixed one issue so far that I also forgot to mention which is AC and DC charging at the same time.
Im just way more fond of diy system. Those are cool for normies but I build my batteries, systems and layouts all from scratch so im more interested in DIY blue collar engineering 😅.
I have yet to build a portable... I did however (during christmas) buy some SWEET portable tool boxes from Lowes with a portable build in mind. They are the Toughbuilt brand tool boxes😄
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Hey Ave Joe, two observations on the Zendure v,
1. The pull handle should be at the bottom. Pulling from the top puts the pressure down on the front wheels.
2. The accessory pouch should be attached to the battery pack.
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Nice! Thats better then when I checked!
Some apple and oranges. In your video, you sometimes removed the Anker battery for a pro item (like charging an EV) yet did not mention that now you have a 3800W system vs 6144W for the ecoflow. Same thing that you included the Anker extra battery when you compared it to the ecoflow and saying that the Anker had more Watts because of the extra battery. A more fair comparison (including prices) is to compare either ONLY with no extra batteries or #2 BOTH with an extra battery. Because the Ecoflow gets cheaper in $/watt than the Anker the moment you add at least 1 extra battery. And much cheaper when you add 2 or more extra batteries.
Nice review keep up the good work fella
FWIW, I am a 30 year electrician who recently installed an FS3800 in conjunction with a Solix smart panel. This is not my first rodeo. In testing, with grid power completely shut off, the system burnt up some electronics and burnt out several light bulbs. Voltage is within spec, but higher by about 4 volts than coming directly out of the fs3800. 121.9 volts is still perfectly acceptable.
We then checked the sine wave with a portable oscilloscope, and that seems fine as well. My suspicion is that it's some kind of defect in the smart panel, but for the life of me, I don't know. Be aware that these are very sophisticated and complicated devices, and the more complexity you add, the more difficult it is to troubleshoot a problem.
Would this issue be avoided with the manual switch?
I like how they are making batery backup for a house super easy
Super easy these days!🤘
I’m a complete newbie to this world. Customer service is incredibly important to me. Anker’s customer service has been terrific - not just reactive but proactive.
AWESOME! That is really great to hear! Thanks for sharing!
Ecoflow for home back up, Anker for RV or on the go use. I ended up getting the EcoFlow Ultra, I had supported Anker but when they decided to only allow half of the solar input I went with EcoFlow.
One huge “con” for me on the Anker is that ugly cable sticking way out the side for battery expansion.
The EcoFlow stacks much nicer and has nice, tidy 90 degree connectors.
That was one thing that jumped out at me too. You have to take the “wasted cord space” into account when you look at where to place the Anker.
Yep there you go. Another one I forgot to mention.
My opinion, the Delta pro ultra looks way sexier the better unit for house usage. That’s the one I’m going for.
Anker does such a nice job with all their industrial design, so I'm also surprised they don't offer 90° connector cables like EcoFlow and Bluetti.
@@AdamDeLay07
Agreed!
Good comparison, thanks! On a quick search the anker is about $4700 with the expansion battery and the ecoflow is about $5800 so a difference of $1100 with eco flow being more expensive.
An alternative comparison would be 2 Ankers with no expansion batteries which would be $3500 x 2 -> $7000
This would make the anker system more expensive by $1200 (almost the same difference but anker being the more expensive one this time)
But then you get way more inverter out of the Anker and pretty equivalent batteries (solar still sucks though voltage wise...)
2 ankers, 12kw, would run a lot of house (probably 100% of a house).
HERE's THE BONUS... if you went camping you could just pull one Anker out and bring it with you for the trip and have plenty of camping power
AND the empty house would be 100% backed up (fridges, freezers, etc) with the left behind unit if something went wrong while you were away.
Input voltage is critical!
Higher the better.
I purchased my Pro delta a couple years ago and it was about the same as the Max is now but less features by far.
I purchased my system as a backup but why let it sit idle so I wired it into my panel and use it daily, when the sun doing its job 😂
How did you do that?
Wondered when someone was gonna do a comparison. Thanks for putting the details all in one place. So when are you gonna open them up….😁
The Anker can't put out 240 when charging from 120. The EcoFlow can. Not the end of the world but it is significant in some cases.
They should be made to allow unlimited expansion, and also work interchangeably as the chemistries are the same. That would be cool.
I'm pretty sure that battery prices will halve in the next few years, so I would buy the base plus 1 or 2 and just build up gradually over the coming years.
If I am not mistaken, neither of these units can use the inverter when charging from 240v. Additionally, the Anker shuts off the 240v when charging from the 120v as well. The Ecoflow can still run the 240v outlets when charging from 120v. This was the dealbreaker for me on the Anker as I would potentially use a gas generator to charge up the units when in a sustained power outage and if I can't charge and use the 240v it would be a big drawback.
Yes that is another that I forgot to mention. I did have a little meeting with them and I mentioned this very thing. Hopefully in the future they can address it.
@@AveRage_Joe Thanks Joe! I appreciate all the content and just wanted to call that one out before someone made an expensive purchase. Honestly I was set to buy the anker until I cam across that info and I am glad I did. I would have been pissed the first time I tried to charge and everything shut off.
The Delta pro ultra is a better unit
The « ev » button is just a marketing thing because you can plug an ev charger directly on any 25 or 30 amp outlet with the right adaptor. 18:13 Mine is a portable evduty charger with a 6-50R plug. the charger basically communicates with the car but that’s it.
I got the Ultra with 5 batteries. Ran 4,000w of solar to it. It’s amazing. Lessons learned: I charge my EV every other day at 4,000w for 6 hours. EV chargers require a ground neutral bond. I made a GN plug and put into 120 socket and works perfectly. I did buy a nema 14-30 splitter and run one into house transfer switch and the other to car charger and found the GN plug is not needed since it’s bonded at the transfer switch panel without even being on, fantastic. One thing no one mentions is you can not have the 120 charge plugged into wall outlet and run the 240 nema. It tries to pull the load from your wall outlet when you draw off the 14-30, ie. 4,000w. You get error code 274. It’s one or the other, wall plug to charge (even if you’re not charging) or 240 plug running. Sucks!
Are you sure that the EcoFlow cannot output 240V while charging via 120V? Another reviewer demonstrates that this works without issue:
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I believe there is a firmware update that just fixed or is in process of being released the X-Fusion function. The EcoFlow online manual is more thorough than previous stations
Thanks for great comparison. I’m in the process of adding something like this to be my backup for my general propane generator
Thanks for watching! Yeah thats a perfect use for the generator!🤘
Thast is what I am looking into doing.
Cool deal thanks for your work 😊
I’m using EcoFlow with a Delta 2 and I like the programming it has. And we see the future with EcoFlow systems
Thanks for watching! Nice! I also have 2 delta pros. Yeah ecoflow has quite a few systems out there!
The summary page at about 22:22 is not quite correct for the total solar input, it shows the amount for a single inverter. Ankor max solar with 1/2 inverters is 2,400/4,800, and Ecoflow max solar with 1/2/3 inverters is 5,600/11,200/16,800. Just one Ecoflw inverter accepts more solar than 2 Ankor.
How do I connect 2400 watts of solar the anker? Meaning, what configuration of panels?
That big looping cable on the Anker is enough to make me buy the EcoFlow.
That was another that I forgot to mention!
I would still buy the Anker.
Even with the loopy cable, the Anker footprint is still smaller. The cable is dorky though.
It is an extremely soft cable and is easily flexible..... Other reviewers have mentioned it.
Great review and comparison. I would probably go with the Anker. Less bulk. I am an apartment dweller.
17:00 you did not mention the negative of the Anker having less convenient cabling, the Delta Pro Ultra has the 90° cables.
Yep that was one that I missed!! Thank You!!
@@AveRage_Joe I liked what you did on the Anker but there's also the Apollo from Hysolis
Yeah that one looks to be a sweet system!
@@AveRage_Joe ... I know you have to do your own research, but as a baseline go to DIY SOLAR POWER WITH WILL PROWSE and MINUTEMAN PREP.
And you are not the only one to miss this sleeper. ... CITY PREPPING does a good job but seems to have missed the APOLLO. Don't let it get away from you.
The advantage of the two you compared is that they each put out 240, but the Apollo (set up in split-phase tandem) is pretty amazing. I like the "soft start" solar inverter wake up.
I also like that the Apollo, push come to shove, has both redundancy and can be split between two locations as single phase.
Bro, saw the thumbnail and was like yes please. I'm honestly not that impressed with the Anker because of that 60v solar input limit. Hard to take this thing too serious with that kind of voltage limit. But I'm glad we're seeing 240 built in so kudos to superbase (who did it first I think) and for Anker and EF following up as well. Aight time to watch.
Thanks Man! Appreciate that! I 100% love that they have the 240v splitphase. You cannot go wrong with that!🤘
A like before even watching it. Glad you are comparing them. This is something that many don't want to do because of their sponsorships.
I 100% appreciate that! Seems many also dont like that I make videos with portable power stations🤷♂️😆
Hi, thanks for the video. Great job actually, the Delta pro ultra has more power because the anchor has an extended battery on it. The Delta is only using one battery.
Great comparison Joe! Thanks for the video!
Thanks and thanks for watching!🤘
I'm confused please help. At 13:49 you said that the Anker can be charged by both the home and solar at the same time. At 14:34 you said that as a con that it could not. Did I hear that right or did I miss something, and what is the reality? Thanks
Been waiting on this topic
I still want to hook up my spare batteries through the solar charging port for extended battery charging. Although I could use and old inverter to charge with AC produced from my batteries. I guess it would be the Anker as I can get in the game for the lowest price.
I think I would do that. Use spare batteries if I were completly off grid and or in an emergency. I love them because they can run the Stove, AC and Dryer. I think that is amazing lol😄
Ya and if you ever need to sell the house then the Anker goes with you lol @@AveRage_Joe
Which one will replace my loud generator so I can run the ac and internet when the power goes out for 3 days in Texas during hurricane season. Please and thank you
Houstonian here after Beryl. Came looking for a similar solution. Seems like EcoFlow may be winning on the backup side. If there's an option to charge these using a backup gas-type generator that would be a big plus
I've had too many issues with Ecoflow software. The company just expects you to deal with it. I have to reset my Delta 2 very often to get real data. For that reason I can't consider any more Delta products. I need reliable software!!!
Interesting! Thanks for sharing!
As of today, I can get the ultra on sale from a company for about the same price I can get the Anker with the extra battery so it’s pretty much a wash great job
Where?
11:40 there is also an Anker SOLIX Double Power Hub that gives you a 50 amp NEM 14-50 receptacle .
Yep, that wasnt available at the time of video.🤘
Joe, thanks for an informative and excellent video as always.
I live in Mexico in a condo with only a 50amp service and full panel. Because here on the coast we experience some severe weather and some rolling blackouts in the summer. I want to add a battery backup with a smart panel. Most likely I would want around an 8-10KW system, possibly with a small solar feed from portable panels. Typically I would recharge from 120v AC. Are there other systems you would recommend over or in addition to these two?
14:22 good job. Have been waiting for others in your line of work to do this.
You didn't differentiate between the too and that the Delta Pro Ultra has no battery capacity within the inverter section alone.
Would also have included the Hysolis Apollo.
As for generator charging, have never quite understood if an inverter generator is necessary
Thanks!! If I had the Hysolis I would include it (They did contact me but was super busy at the time). I dont know why an inverter generator wouldnt work BUT I also havent looked into it to be honest.
@@AveRage_Joe YOU GOT IT BACKWARDS on the generator. ... It's about dirty power, frequently cleaned up by the EG4 CHARGEVERTER.
I'm wondering whether or not an INVERTER GENERATOR is REQUIRED to CHARGE.
Thanks for the comparison, good job! But the EcoFlow is more than a little bit more expensive, it's $1,000 more expensive! For my use case, it's Anker all the way!
But I really dislike how UA-camr always say they want to hear our comments, when actually they don't. Commented posts just help get their videos seen more which could bring in more likes.
Great comparison :) The BIGGEST gotcha for the Anker is that you can't charge via AC and get 240v output at the same time. I didn't hear you mention that in the video but maybe I missed it? Did you know that?
I am currently testing the Anker F3800 unit and the 240v output is DISABLED when you have AC charging connected. So if you plan to charge from 120v anytime, you won't be getting 240 volts. Interesting choice in design.
I think you would still need an EV charger for both of these which takes the 240v and turns it into high voltage DC to charge a car battery (at least the owners manual shows an inline EV charger).
Both units have really good build quality and really good support/warranties so it's all about what you are looking for.
You know how it goes lol. After you make the video you start remembering all sorts of stuff😆🤷♂️ Also for the car charging double press on Anker. Doesnt that make the power station a "stand alone" system which bonds the neutral to ground kinda thing. Id have to check to make sure. Yeah both systems are very capable!🤘
@@AveRage_Joe well that 240v output being disabled is kinda a BIG thing to forget 🤣
I have been only single pressing the inverter on button and I get 240v. Thats all I did for powering my house and critical loads.
For charging off 120v and 240v being disable....yeah. I wonder if that could be fixed with a firmware update🤔
@@AveRage_Joe ill do some more tests 👍 I'm running the latest firmware.
Update: I tested after getting home from work... 1 press gets both 120v and 240v enabled... I need to talk to their engineers about 'car charging mode' since the owners manual leaves much to be desired! It explains the feature in 1 line...
(edited previous comments to remove my confusion)
Anybody tried connecting a 48V alternator (regulated to 25A) to one of the solar inputs on the Anker? The port specs look like it should work? That would let it recharge from the RV much faster while driving.
I havent but dont see why you couldnt.
@@AveRage_Joe I'm getting ready to try it, and I'll report back. I'll either be very happy, or I'll smoke the Anker.
Yeah let me know! It should be fine as its DC charging but either way let me know.🤘
great video thank you!! Im looking for power back up in emergency for my 50amp RV. My AC is 30 amp so the anker woudnt run it? also, can the anker be run laying on its side? it's too tall for my storage compartment. Can any solar panel work with either of these or proprietary only?
I heard that the F3800 had a firmware update that now allows dual charging from solar and AC. Can you confirm if this is actually true? Thanks!
Do you have any proof of this because I really want to buy it since it’s cheaper?
I'm curious how the solar AC coupling works with the Anker? I have a grid tied solar system using enphase iq7 micro inverters. I was told this will only work with enphase's battery system.
I also have an Enphase micro inverters for a grid tie system. I just purchased the Anker Solix solution with the Home Panel. It has CT sensors for the main lugs in the main panel and a CT sensor for the solar breaker. It will be able to tell when Excess Solar is being produced and charge off that. I'm getting a subpanel as well and moving some circuits to it, so the Anker can provide power them in grid down situation. Main reason I went with this solution is to being able to store solar energy produced and then use to feed both the sub and main panel while in "on" grid connection. It will not back feed to the grid.
EcoFlow stating charges from solar and grid together if I’m reading it correctly. This new unit will soon be sold at a discount, $1000 buy in discount was offered originally
Yep, I mentoned the EcoFlow can do AC and DC charging while the Anker cannot. Both companies had some really big discounts or early bird specials just a few weeks ago. Crazy right!
Like# 2 - woot, awesome comparison! Now if there was only another manufacturer whose only business are batteries to add to the comparison!
😎💥🤘
My Friend did I hear you say the only way to charge the Ecoflow is by solar panels.
Not plugging it in to a gas power generator or wall outlet
You can charge the ecoflow by gas a generator and wall outlet. If its connected to the shp2 then by grid(through the grid input wires that feed the panel), generator( by the generator breaker/input) and solar.
Nice comparison of two products that have caught my interest. Question: If I'm not worried about portability, and I don't currently have solar, would you recommend something like this for emergency home backup, or would I be better off with something like a Big Battery Condor and a wall mounted inverter?
Thanks and thanks for watching. That is always the age old question. Ive been doing the diy stuff, off-grid stuff, testing out systems and the portables as emergency use because I dont want to lose power especially in the cold weather we have here in Nebraska. If you want a short term backup system to run critical loads thats SUPER easy. Doesnt require much of you other then to use it occasionally(if no emergency). Then one of these would work great as they sit. I did a simulated test a week or 2 ago when the temps were -15f and ran basically my furnace and fridge for 6hrs straight, made coffee and ran a few lights from the F3800. Expansion battery came later. I dont think thats to bad for those temps outside. The question is, what would you want to run and for how long? Anyway, both are expandable to suit your needs with or without solar. A wall mounted inverter and a big battery are always king IMO. Like I said, I started in the diy area and built my own battery system. Ive used a battery and an inverter longer. Many just dont have the time or know how, these fill the gap.🤘
@AveRage_Joe Thanks for the additional information! I'm in PA, so my two biggest concerns during an outage are the furnace (gas, but has electric blower) and a sump pump, because we have a finished basement. Anything more would be for convenience. I'd LOVE to pick your brain sometime about how to best connect everything. I'm torn between a simple transfer switch, and an inverter that would switch over automatically if we aren't home when the power goes out. I've been watching your videos for quite a while, and I've learned a lot. You always do a great job!
Shoot me an email!
@AveRage_Joe I feel reaaaaally stupid, but I don't your email address.
Nice review! I would go with the Anker between these two. Have you done any testing the solid state units that are starting to be released? I have also been looking at a unit by Yoshino. Thanks!
Thanks! Yoshino contacted me a few weeks ago. Still need to reply🤭 I have another brand on the way and Im pretty sure it has semi solid state batteries like the Yoshino but need to verify!🤘
Ok, thanks! Please keep me updated. I subscribed but would like to see how these compare to the Anker. Would you mind telling me the other brand? Feel free to inbox if you prefer. Thanks! @e_Joe
The Anker design company hit a home run with the built in portability. I am in the market and its hard choice. I really like the Hysolis Apollo but its such an awkward size and the dolly system for off road is huge. I see myself using one that I put on the back of my truck or golf cart to do projects on my property. While using it stationary for certain tasks. I think if I was not going to drag them around the Apollo has such a better PV input for off grid applications. The Ecoflow comes in second and Anker third but because of it having a better form factor I might have to buy it.
Couldnt agree more! I wish I had a golf cart to put this on😆😆 That would be so helpful! 🤯
Hello. Can I get 50Amp output of 2 Anker F3800 hook together to the Double Power Hub?
Great EcoFlow delta pro ultra system 👌
Thank You!🤘
You can charge an EV (if for some reason you wanted to) with the EcoFlow Delta Pro Ultra. You just need to purchase an accessory cord that leaves the right side of the machine. I thinks it’s referred to as output to EV charger (or something like that)
That's for using an ev changer to super charge the ecoflow. You need a grounding plug and plug it into one of the outlets and it will work just fine.
I did mention that cord later but also like I said, I am unfamilier with EV charging since I dont have an EV.
Ok yeah that makes since now. Thanks for the info!🤘
@@Trillville43 oh I see. Thank you for the clarification. Looks like I assumed too much there.
@AveRage_Joe Anker limited solar range is a big con and there is no pro there.
If you have three inverters for the ecoflow, shouldn't you have 3x the solar charging capacity? also when the solar is finish charging the battery, where does the energy flow, I'm assuming it flows out o the smart panel if you have it connected and powers home loads. What if you have no loads to power? will it flow out to the grid?
No, the charger simply turns off until the batteries get low enough again and then resumes.
In July, I consume about 20KWH a day. Sure wish the cost of these systems would come down to handle that kind of power use. Perhaps salt battery systems in the future will bring that cost down enough to entice me.
There are other types of systems on my channel. Checkem out🤘
Great video review, thank you! Can you help identify best solar panels to use with this unit besides the portable ones due to the limited 60V solar input? On some reviews I’ve seen they using the F3800 unit with 3 panels in parallel that are LG 365W each. 47.7VOC, 9.39Imp total of 28.17 amps potential using two 3 panel strings to connect of the F3800. Any thoughts if these will work and your panel recommendations?
Thank You! Yeah panels like that would work great and could easily add the second set!🤘
No I used my own dolly then then I could halt all the batteries in one time with The inverter generator.
Thanks for a great comparison. Can you give us a little more understanding of the AC Coupling feature that is unique to the Anker unit? If I am putting in grid-tie solar system does that mean I can charge the Anker off that inverter and not care as much about it's lower voltage PV inputs? Feeling a little stupid here! LOL
Yes BUT you need the Home Power Panel! If you install a grid-tie system. You would be able to charge the F3800 through the home power panel. If or when the grid goes out, you have a battery backup that can continue powering your loads/a sub panel.
Good video, the Anker F3800 system is decent. I have two F3800's and 6 BP3800 expansion batteries and a Home Power Panel... so I am speaking from experience. Unfortunately I would not buy again because but they essentially have no customer service. And when they do firmware upgrades, they don't know the changes in specs. And they don't ship anywhere near their promised shipping and delivery time. But as for support, each call or chat takes hours and each response it automatic and says they will reply in 2 days... even for the most basic questions. So unless you're a solar expert, don't count on ANKER for any help unless you have a ton of patience. If I could do it all over again, I would go with the EcoFlow
Thanks for your feedback! Anthing I could help with?
Good afternoon. I’m wondering if you could share with me a location on the web where my electrician could understand more about the Anker home hub so that he could tie in my solar array into the system? Thank you
I should have a link in description. If you have an existing AC coupled Solar system. You wont need to do anything to it. You will however need to have a subpanel installed and all circuits that you want backed up moved over to it. The home power panel will be installed in the middle and act like an automatic transfer switch. If the power goes out, your existing solar will still shut down as normal however the power panel will "switch on" and continue to provide power to the sub panel.
Can I run a wide heater as well? Or am I gonna have a flicking thing with the water heater and the dryer all the time? And both of them put together makes like 9600 W.
But apart, yeah, it's running individually. Yes, no problem, but but at the same time when the wash machine's going. Yeah, probably not so much. And what I should say is Close washer and Water heater.
I have a question then. Because I don't have the grid the only thing out but I have as inverters and generators. So will it work without the grid? I believe they're supposed to, and there'd have to be a hook up the solar panels. Cause that's all I use. No matter what that's all I'm gonna lose. I don't got any gas generators gas, this or gas. That I won't get any of that either. It may help it would heck. I don't even know how to guess grill. And I will never get one of those either.
How do I connect 2400 watts of solar to this power station? Meaning, what configuration of panels?
Do you have panels now? If so whats the specs and I can help.
@@AveRage_Joe Thank you for the reply. I don’t have any panels and I didn’t even buy the f3800 yet. I’m just looking to see if I can actually connect 2400 watts of home style panels to it. I want to use it for a home backup unit that I can take out camping once in a while, that’s why I like its size.
@C6903 if camping probably buy the anker folding panels. Otherwise you will probably want to use panels in 23:55 parallel
Joe, I also want to jump in
Please do! Did I miss anything?
haha it is all good, awesome job again Joe👍@@AveRage_Joe
You all make a great unit. Keep up the good work!🤘
What do you mean when you say the EcoFlow doesn't work with grid-tied systems? How does the F3800 work with grid-tied systems differently?
I would love to have something like the eco flow, but i dont really need it.
I have a Mango Power-e with one expansion battery for a total of 7KW, and it works great. How does the Mango Power-e compare to these?
Id have to look it up to see the specs.
Question...which product powers a refrigerator longest...anker solix f3800 or ecoflow delta pro 3?
The delta pro 3 would power it a little longer as it is 4000watt hours and the F3800 is 3800watt hours.👍
Which is best? Why not both?
Warranty and after sales service?
at 3min 45 secs you talked about charging the devices EITHER FAST or slow.. why does these units have that option.. why does it matter if u plug it into a wall to charge the POWER station you would want it to charge ASAP.. sorry what am i missing??
how loud are the fans? how often do they run?
id like to get your professional opinion, so looking at both of these but would seem i would lean more towards Delta as i want this for a full whole home back up scenario for a 24-36 hour back up but i also want the ability to charge them from my back up generator at the same time. Does the Delta have Charging input other than the 110 AC directly to the unit or should i consider a Generator inlet tied into the panel to backfeed and Charge? too many damn decisions.
For the Delta, they have a generator adapter (small adapter cable) for the side input/output port. I havent had a chance to test that yet tho.
Is 6000w/7200W enough current to run a house with 2x300W fridge, PC with a 1000W PSU, and a 4090 but only game a few hours a day and not during cooking hours, electric Stove top and Microwave during cooking hours, LED lights, one 65" Qled TV and 3kW HVAC ( can probably turn off HVAC when cooking if needed)? Also how much battery capacity do you need in mild climate in a well insulated 2500 sqft home. Thinking about using the F3800 w/2-4 batteries or EcoFlow Ultra with 2-3 batteries. Is ~12 to 18KW enough?
Oh, so I could hook that right up to my kitchen stove oven. I love that hooked that right up to hook up solar panels, and I never have to worry about power being too short for my kitchen oven stuff, I love that don't have to look up to the power system on it too. So I can't wait directly to make dear plugin, but that only needs 3600 W to run that. But it is 50 amp kitchen stove oven. I only think it has fifty amps in my house. And then I could hook up the Eco for right directly to my dryer since I've got the plugin for that. Even as though he said to can't reply, and that looks straight directly to my dryer for clothes drying that runs 4800 W so let's do just fine. I just have to buy more batteries. I hooked my solid panels of that as well then which I do have enough solar panels to look up 3 or 4 systemsthat's no big deal. At least I found a use for both of them. But then every time I hooked up silicon, I never did hook it up to the house. I mean I hooked up to Some small inverters around certain things in the house, but never everything all at 1 time but I hook you each and everything up into individually part of things, and that's why I don't have to use the electrical house. I don't care since I'm ripping out of the house anyways.
My question is if the Ecoflow delta pro ultra has the capability to run a 230 volt,12,000 btu split type inverter AC for 6 to 7 hours sleep time, and a medium size refrigerator at the same time using this two appliances only.😴🤔
I'd have as a backup a single room ac and this battery for an emergency. You may go years before needing g it so t gets hard to justlfy
Need more competition to drive prices down
EcoFlow allows 240 generator charging up to 6000 watts.
Do you need a 50amp outlet for a single & combined F3800's, or will a 30amp be sufficient for both? Thanks.
If using 2 F3800's, Id use a 50a outlet because you get 25a per leg amd could power more stuff. Could you use a 30a, yes but keep the loads at 30a so you dont over heat the cable and outlet.
Price please 🙏
Does either unit support pass through ac charging? In other words...if i want to turn on the inverter, plug the 240 volt plug into my automatic transfer switch to my house critical loads panel...but want to also have it plugged into the 120 volt charge side to keep it fully charged?
I believe the ecoflow can do that. I will have to check the anker. Just keep in mind you would create a ground loop.
@AveRage_Joe I'm not sure I follow when you say a ground loop? The ac charging will come from a 120 volt circuit that is powered by the main panel. The 240 volt will be plugged into an automatic transfer switch that stands ready to power a sub panel if the entire grid power goes down. That sub panel will allow the lift / elevator to finish its trip up or or down should a person be stuck or just use the lift when power goes out.
It's no different than what a UPS does....just gives other options beyond a dedicated UPS.
The Anker system is available at Home Depot for $4249 as of 02/24/2024
Question for everyone here commenting.
Which one would you prefer, anker or delta?
I just want to know which one is bought more. 😊 Thanks
I don’t understand why these companies can't make low-profile battery coupling cables like the ecoflo pro ultra.
Delta stakes linear in on tower, Anker has batteries hanging all over both sides
Can you plug an electric dryer directly into Anker F3800?
If the plug matches you bet. I have a 3 prong but have powered it throught the generator plug I have installed.
I have a oddball question. My electric company is starting demand pricing with higher rates from 4 to 9 pm. which system would be able to run the house for those times. Everything is gas execpt AC and Stove. I know Ecoflow has the smart panel that can be programed butI dont know if it could be set to run between those times, I also dont know if Anker of Bluetti have something that can do that. any recomandations?
The Smart panel can do that! Here in the next week or so Ill have hands on with the anker home power panel and will know moar soon.
@@AveRage_Joe thanks for the info
Thank you
You are welcome!🤘
All the flaps on the ecoflow would be super annoying too... They will definitely break off.
But I would charge it up using a few hours of gasoline generator thus extending by limited fuel supply way longer and sleeping well at night in my home . Solar is fine but slow and bad weather is when duh the sun is not shining . Off grid long term sure solar plus a Harmony vertical wind turbine is way to go . But my 2200 watt Honda becomes my wall outlet lol
100% have a generator as a backup and use when the sun dont shine!🤘
What about pass through charging? I understand the Ecoflow does and the Anchor doesn’t? Does that mean I can plug the Ecoflow in with a generator plug/ lockout and keep up with some charging by plugging it in to a inverter hooked to my car?
Yeah that is a way of passthrough charging. Another is using a generator. I wouldnt plug into the wall outlet tho since its all on the same electrical system and would create ground loops.🤘
Do both have the heavier duty low frequency inverters?
I think they are High Frequency inverters.
@jimfields9491 If you want low frequency inverter look at the Titan 240 sp from Point Zero Energy. Low is better and definitely tougher, last longer than high frequency, and those are both high frequency
I’m wondering if you can use the Anker to even do one load on the dryer side, or will you need more battery power?
Hmmmm, its possible. Id have to test to see tho cause the dryer elements dont run the entire time.🤷♂️
@@AveRage_Joe
This would be the only reason I would buy one. But I don’t know if 20 A would be enough to even run a dryer?
Its a 25a port and it will start my dryer perfectly. It can also start my 4ton AC (with soft start) easily. In the first video I made, I show it working.👍
@@AveRage_Joe
Thanks! 🖖
In reality, the ultra is not more expensive with the other unit. You have to buy the unit plus an extra battery to get about the same amount of power with 1200 W less inverter.
Can they mate with eachother?
I think you mixed up the capacity
I've heard Ecoflow has terrible customer service but I've heard nothing but good things in regards to customer service regarding Anker. I have a few ecoflow products but I won't be buying anymore of their products I've seen and heard too many horror stories I've decided to go with Anker for future purchases. These power stations/solar generators are very expensive good support is critical if something goes wrong.
22:40 you did not discuss reliability, known flaws, customer service response time, US vs overseas customer service. ... Just know that there are a lot of guys out there doing what you're doing, looking for me to go to their online stores. You're doing well, do better.
One of these products is actually portable. The other is more powerful. If you need the power of the EF Delta Pro Ultra, what you really need is a stationary, component-based system. If you need a powerful solution that is still reasonably portable, the Anker Solix F3800 is going to be much easier to move around. The fact that the Anker will do everything you could reasonable ask from a portable power station, and costs $1,100 less than the EF product makes it kind of a no-brainer. The low, wide and largely immobile Deltra Pro Ultra is a big swing and a miss by Ecoflow, in my opinion.
All very good points!
Life cycles...???
You did not mention the anker is a brick when you need to charge with AC as 240 volt plugs are shut off plus half the 120 plugs. This is not much good in home back up, big brick
No I did not as well as a few others I probly forgot. I will say however I have expressed the importance of these directly to Anker for backup situations. I think they have since fixed one issue so far that I also forgot to mention which is AC and DC charging at the same time.
Eco flow takes the win
Having to buy accessories to make something do what you want it to is not a con. Paying for something you will never use is definitely a con.
Im just way more fond of diy system. Those are cool for normies but I build my batteries, systems and layouts all from scratch so im more interested in DIY blue collar engineering 😅.
I have yet to build a portable... I did however (during christmas) buy some SWEET portable tool boxes from Lowes with a portable build in mind. They are the Toughbuilt brand tool boxes😄
Why Linkin park is reviewing batteries
this review isn't bias at all right Ankerman?