You are absolutely right, the 6011 rod likes to stop. I often weld on thick metal so deep penetration is a must. I'm using the Hobart Stickmate LX (buzz box) on both AC/DC and so far it's been a learning experience. Good video. Thanks!
You raise a good point why 6011 rods continually stop. I've been frustrated using 6011 (3/32") rods because of the continued stops. I like using 6013 rods (3/32") as this rod is easy to start and continues to stay lit which allows me to run a continuous bead.
1/8 6011 usually wants about 90 amps or so. 3/32 6013, about 75 amps. These are starting values, and will need adjusting to suit the joint, etc. Another matter, however, is that Cellulosic electrodes, e.g. 6011, 6010, want a higher open circuit voltage to start and stay burning. Lots of inverter welders don’t run hot enough. You need one with hot-start and arc-force (or a dedicated, 6010 part) to run those rods decently. I personally have had this kind of trouble with 6011.
I think, you should start with the correct diameter. It absolutely doesn't look like 1/4. It is 1/8. There's a "golden rule" - 30 Amps per 1 mm of the rod diameter. Some adjustmen might be required depending on the metal. The penetration also depends on Amps, time and techniques. The thick metals usually should have the edges grinded to allow dipper penetration. Conclusion: For the best result you should have same diameter electrodes, similar Amps, correct techniques.
I'd bet that running a 1/4 inch 6011 at 275 amps would show better penetration than a 3/32 6013 rod at 75 amps...proving just how much better the 6011 really is! King of rods.
3/32 (Lincoln, Forney) 6011 likes about 60-75 amps, DCEP. Supposedly they will run on AC, but I’ve never run them that way, on the welders I’ve used. Of those two, the Forney seemed better behaved. Lincs were too much like “demon-possessed fireworks.”
You've got a real good voice and this looks of good production value video, but then you're comparing different diameter rods. Please do another comparing the rods but with the same diameter. You were the first result in a '6011 vs 6013' search; please use that youtube algorithm advantage to make a fair comparison.
Yep all I gotta say is if you guys just knock on 6011 and then don't even show the welding of the rod. Then you shouldn't be welding!!! Can't compare two differnt size rods... And it dont matter what rod it is if the bead don't look like a stack of dimes JUST STEP AWAY!!! Don't try to tell a WELDER what rod to use or how to do it!!
Why are you calling a 1/8” 6011 rod a 1/4” rod? Why are you comparing two different size rods? Why are you not using the 6011 as it’s supposed to be used (whip and pause or circles)?
No way is this a "controlled" demonstration, when you start with two different sized rods to begin with! Go back to your physics teacher and ask how to conduct a valid experiment in comparisons. Pleasant voice though...
This is an example of why a little information is scary. Especially these days when you can post a video that sounds authoritative but has no idea what they are talking about. If you are a new welder --find a better source.
@@FerrousPhoenix Yeah, I guess my comment seemed a bit harsh and I do wish you well with your channel. It's just obvious that your are using rods of different diameters and very different needs to run correctly. You seem open minded and willing to learn so I'm happy to leave these comments and help you channel grow. All the best bro!
@ferrousphoenix, don't let these people upset you unfortunately people are just rude and evil these days it seems they find anything to insult you or get a rise out of you good video man.
Guys not much of a welder. I wouldn't want to hang grandma over the Grand Canyon with his welds. If you can't make a beautiful looking weld with 6013, you should find something else to spend your time doing.
there are 2 variables in the experiment making it an invalid comparison. In order to truly compare the rods, both rods need to be 3/32
THIS 👏🏼
That and the 6011 is meant to be done with a whip and pause or circles and not really a stringer bead as done here.
@rock-afire-fan is the 3/32 just the size or the rod? Thanks in advance
Correct. Good thing I saw this comment or I'll go ballistic with this video comparing these two welding rods 😂
@@jacobromeromaldonado143 yes 3/32 inch
1/4 inch my ass 😂 That's a 1/8". You can't run a 1/4" rod at 110 amps.
Glade the amperage was shown , and a great explanation of the differences and all. Great content thanks
You are absolutely right, the 6011 rod likes to stop. I often weld on thick metal so deep penetration is a must. I'm using the Hobart Stickmate LX (buzz box) on both AC/DC and so far it's been a learning experience. Good video. Thanks!
You raise a good point why 6011 rods continually stop. I've been frustrated using 6011 (3/32") rods because of the continued stops. I like using 6013 rods (3/32") as this rod is easy to start and continues to stay lit which allows me to run a continuous bead.
I dunno, that sure looks like a 1/8 rod, 1/4 is a damn big rod. You measure the wires, not the flux…
Just thinking the same thing.
1/8 6011 usually wants about 90 amps or so. 3/32 6013, about 75 amps. These are starting values, and will need adjusting to suit the joint, etc.
Another matter, however, is that Cellulosic electrodes, e.g. 6011, 6010, want a higher open circuit voltage to start and stay burning. Lots of inverter welders don’t run hot enough. You need one with hot-start and arc-force (or a dedicated, 6010 part) to run those rods decently.
I personally have had this kind of trouble with 6011.
Hobart 6013s penetrate while ESAB 6013s give beautiful welds. E6013 must be a broad electrode flux composition-wise.
I think, you should start with the correct diameter. It absolutely doesn't look like 1/4. It is 1/8. There's a "golden rule" - 30 Amps per 1 mm of the rod diameter. Some adjustmen might be required depending on the metal.
The penetration also depends on Amps, time and techniques. The thick metals usually should have the edges grinded to allow dipper penetration.
Conclusion:
For the best result you should have same diameter electrodes, similar Amps, correct techniques.
Have you ever checked the accuracy of the welder amperage output with a clamp meter…..???
The 6011 rod was stopping because the amps were too low to maintain the arc. 210-300 amps is amp range for a 1/4" 6010/6011 rod. 110 is way low.
I'd bet that running a 1/4 inch 6011 at 275 amps would show better penetration than a 3/32 6013 rod at 75 amps...proving just how much better the 6011 really is! King of rods.
sometimes you need a better welding machine to use
Bullshit test use the same size rod they make 3/32 6011 rods and they are a much stronger rod that a 6013
3/32 (Lincoln, Forney) 6011 likes about 60-75 amps, DCEP. Supposedly they will run on AC, but I’ve never run them that way, on the welders I’ve used.
Of those two, the Forney seemed better behaved. Lincs were too much like “demon-possessed fireworks.”
That both size comparison doesn't looks like 1/4 for me.. probably 1/8 ..
are you sure that one rod wasn't a 1/8" and not a 1/4"?
You've got a real good voice and this looks of good production value video, but then you're comparing different diameter rods. Please do another comparing the rods but with the same diameter. You were the first result in a '6011 vs 6013' search; please use that youtube algorithm advantage to make a fair comparison.
@0:19 that is a 1/8" rod. No way that is a 1/4" rod.
Yep all I gotta say is if you guys just knock on 6011 and then don't even show the welding of the rod. Then you shouldn't be welding!!! Can't compare two differnt size rods... And it dont matter what rod it is if the bead don't look like a stack of dimes JUST STEP AWAY!!! Don't try to tell a WELDER what rod to use or how to do it!!
Your more than welcome to make your own video if you don't like mine.
Why are you calling a 1/8” 6011 rod a 1/4” rod?
Why are you comparing two different size rods?
Why are you not using the 6011 as it’s supposed to be used (whip and pause or circles)?
No way is this a "controlled" demonstration, when you start with two different sized rods to begin with! Go back to your physics teacher and ask how to conduct a valid experiment in comparisons.
Pleasant voice though...
This is an example of why a little information is scary. Especially these days when you can post a video that sounds authoritative but has no idea what they are talking about. If you are a new welder --find a better source.
You are more than welcome to make your own video. But thanks for the comment, it helps my channel grow.
@@FerrousPhoenix Yeah, I guess my comment seemed a bit harsh and I do wish you well with your channel. It's just obvious that your are using rods of different diameters and very different needs to run correctly. You seem open minded and willing to learn so I'm happy to leave these comments and help you channel grow. All the best bro!
Thanks for sharing
6013 ligth pen 6011 deep pen
All electrodes come in different sizes lol
3/32 6011 or 6013 will melt down before you get half way down of the rod!. Then have to use another rod!.
My welder can eat 6011 and 6013 for breakfast; AC only.
Inverter machines suck for MMA wont keep lit worth a crap
Check out Primeweld MiG 180. It surprised me, it's a beast in stick mode.
@@robertblackshear8963 i ended up buying an Arccaptain 200 and so far its been an awesome machine
You are not a welder
Neither are you, 0 video boy. Let's see some proof you can weld before you insult others buddy.
@ferrousphoenix, don't let these people upset you unfortunately people are just rude and evil these days it seems they find anything to insult you or get a rise out of you good video man.
@@FerrousPhoenix😂😂😂😂 Good response.
Guys not much of a welder. I wouldn't want to hang grandma over the Grand Canyon with his welds. If you can't make a beautiful looking weld with 6013, you should find something else to spend your time doing.
Well that's a rude thing to say. Looks like you also need a new hobby if insulting people on the internet is fun to you.
That is rude dude. Bet your fun at the party! 😌