3 Stick Welding Electrodes Compared: 6013 vs 7018 vs 6010
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I personally use 6011 & 7018 a lot at work, and don't really have any experience running any other rods. I like the channel because I feel it gives me an idea what to expect if I ever have to use anything I'm not familiar with.
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I only do farm type welding and only use 6011 and 6013. 11 for thick and rusty and 13 for thin and clean. Both are Hobart from Tractor Supply Company. 1/8" usually set on 90 or 105 on my Lincoln buzzbox. Never had any of my ugly welds break yet. I did just order online some Esab Sureweld 6013 green rods. Looking forward to giving them a try, I hear they're great.
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Thanks Tim for explaining everything in detail, I’m just starting to learn how to weld just to do small things around the house & as another hobby
Hey Tim excellent presentation there. Thanks for making this video
Good to see you back
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Really informative. Would be great to have a sequel showing additional electrode types or maybe a video showing actual fab work. Thanks!
Here in Australia 6013, is the dominant welding rod, because for decades CIG ( Commonwealth Industrial Gasses), THE dominant player in the welding market at the time, pushed their Satincraft 13 brand very hard.
So we all grew up using either Satincraft13 ( blue electrodes) or "GP" (grey electrodes, probably 6012) and most of us did not know about or use much else.
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They ( 6013) are easy to produce a good looking weld with, but it is also very easy to get a very poor weld, with poor penetration and lots of slag inclusion.
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We all learned on 120 amp buzz box type welders and 3.2mm ( 1/8) 6013 rods. Most did not progress any further.
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Two very important things I wish I had learned decades earlier
#1 run your rods high in the amp range, if you are not right at the top of the amp range, get some smaller rods.
This is especially true of 6013, otherwise you will get poor penetration and slag inclusion.
#2 learn about other rod types
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That's really interesting; I never knew why they were so popular. I agree 100% with both of your takeaways. Thanks!
Not sure what more to add. Looks like ESAB w/ its cigweld brand pretty well dominated your welding territory. Maybe your area was niche & limited to blue & gray electrodes. Cigweld has a full range of filler metal choice. Some competition (if economial) might of been more healthy for the consumer. Cheers from sunny Florida.
@@miszced ESAB was pretty much unknown here till quite recently.
We saw some lincon and a couple of other US brands, but only in the big end of town.
Back in the 70's and 80's CIG was pretty much the only game in town.
Untill a french company, then branded as "liquid Air" came to town, you where buying your gas from CIG. Even then we where paying extortionate rental on your bottles.
It's only in the last 10 years of so we have had a number of independent gas suppliers come on to the market to bust up the rip off duopoply
They always had a full range of CIG rods, but out side the specialist welding trade, we had Satincraft 13's and GP's and that was about it.
A lot of that is because unless you where a high end welder you where welding AC
Because of the very strong market position Satincraft 13's are very much over priced.
I can buy good brands of 6013's for half the price, generics for even less, these days and now you can buy a good range of rods without going to a specialist welding shop.
That said the average hardware shop will pretty much have 6013's and maybee somethung that equates to a GP or 6012.
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Stick welding is not the BIG thing is is in the US.
MIG and TIG has replaced stick and OXY in the vast majority of cases.
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Like plasma cutting has replaced gass cutting in everythung but heavy work.
@@soundman6645 yes, familiar with Air Liquide & AIRGAS plus LINC. As far as the demise of stick welding process ... it's still here! Besides being a mature product, innovation continues with cost cutting & competitive benchmarking. The leap-frog* happened when the covering of stick electrode became the core of a steel sheath into gas shielded, selfshielded & metal core tubular wires for semi or automatic arc welding.
* bit of an over simplification
My favorite, because I can’t seem to stick weld very good, is the 7014.
So easy to use.
I've tried some 7014, they're really user friendly. Easy like a 6013, but not as much of an issue with the slag.
@@TimWelds why they aren't the best?
Tim, i just bought a vevor mma-140 and some 6011 3/32 and will be unboxing and trying it out in the morning. I've been binge watching your videos and i have to say your presentation/style and info are clear and to the point. Really looking forward to seeing how long it will take to lay down that first bead.👍
I learned early on( for me) that single free hand works a lot better because I kept getting pushed out of position towards the end of the rod. My left hand just kept getting in the way!!
Very nice presentation. I learned welding in a junior college night class 40 years ago and at that time stick welding was the state of the art although MIG was around but not so common. I like stick welding because it allows one to get into small places such as on an assembled vehicle.
I would like to have heard you comment on 7014 rods as that is what I have and use a lot.
I would have liked to have seen you weld some 1/8 inch mild steel onto the frame of a vehicle which is what I am doing now. I am very anxious about this because I know it is easy to burn through the frame which creates a weak spot.
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Awesome video keep up the great work
Served my welding apprenticeship in a British shipyard BOC Vodex 6013 were the dominant rod all position as with all 6013’s finding the sweet amperage is the answer I have always found they run better on AC back then I could get a peel in any position Vodex 6013 are the best general purpose rods I have ever used 6018 Philips 56 s take some beating and 6010 NU 5s are my go to only got 50 years experience behind me so maybe one of the older guys could throw me some advice 🤣🤣
Hey Tim, good clean simple presentation on the 3 common SMAW rods in use. I do believe some of the pros out there can use the larger 6010 diameter (5/32 & 3/16) for arc gouging once the polarity is switched.
Thanks a ton! That could be a prett cool way to gouge, I may have to look into that. I've only used air carbon arc gouging, but it's been a decade since I did much of that...don't miss that process much.
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I have a love hate relationship with 6013. Sometimes it doesn’t leave enough metal in a joint. But mostly, it’s the cat’s meow, giving me the smoothest joints.
I probably need to take your course to become more consistent.
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What brand electrode do you buy?
Lol, what ever I can get in outback Australia 😂
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Great stuff again thanks. Any tips on cleaning the electrode holder (stinger)
Mine is the black and yellow esab one and the spring is pretty strong and the contacts are quite dirty
I love 6013. 7018 is still my favorite go-to rod but 6013 has alot of benefits. It's great for thin metal since it comes in 1/16" rods which few others do. And like you mention it's easy to strike an arc
Absolutely! Thanks!
7018 is the best for cast iron out of all those electrodes, but preheat and clean with 6010. 6011 if using a standard inverter.
6010 such a mystic rods, we dont have them around here, in Russia
I usually use 6013 and 7015-G, and sometimes 7016
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That good am impressed and interested I want to learn more
Brilliant! What kind of welding rod did you use? 6013?
Tim, that clamp position is an excellent suggestion. Thx for the tip
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6011 is called a farmer rod in Maine. Paint, rust it don't care. I'm going to be getting some 6010's where I weld a lot of 1/2 and 3/4. Thanks for the info
2 of my favorites are 7024 and 8018
I am in Australia and I do a lot of heavy repair work. I always use WIA 16tc rods. I guess you guys would have something similar. They leave a shiny glassy slab, and are an absolute pig to restart, I usually have an old house brick on hand, drag them across that and they start easily.
Agreed! I enjoy a piece of rough concrete for this.
Have you tried the unimig rods?
@@JC-dc7ez I have had a go at one of the opposition rods, cannot remember which brand. Was pretty good except overheads. I use nothing but Hyundai mig wire, great stuff
@@martinthompson4462 i will get myself a role and check it out. Thanks
Hey man great Channel I've got a about 13 mm round piece of Steel that I need to weld the same diameter end to end it was good I thought until it failed and it looks like the steel rod didn't get hot enough for the weld to fuse it was just the weld material holding it together and that was with my $200 Amazon welder with a 6013 rod I have a super old it says WS 225 k wire feed arc welder with Mac Tools branding on it that should give me different results I'm assuming or is welding something end to end like that not as strong?....thanks!
Thanks. I see you use an aluminum plate over the welding table when stick welding.
I've had slag peel from 6013, 7018, and 6011. As well as 308l, 309l, 316l stainless electrodes 🤙🤙🤙
Right on! 🔥🔥🔥
What about 6011? We use it for ranch work all the time.
Sorry man im glad your helping newer people but i had a welding class in high school and we trained on 6013, jumped to 7018, and then to 6010 and did all 3 in flat, horizontal, vertical, and overhead. This was in highschool so i was in this class, from when i was 15 to 17 and it was taught better and we all had welds better than that even had bend(destructive) tests for 3g 4g and 5g welds… love that your helping newer welders but when it comes to a weld being right and safe. This isnt it. But running beads this is good
Thanks bro
Thanks man
Since I have a cheap inverter stick welder machine, I will take your advice on the 7018AC version. I’ve tried three different types of rods, and it’s nearly impossible to develop an arc. I was able to lay a few welds with some 6013, but it literally took probably 100 attempts to get it to light up and hold an arc.
If you're having trouble lighting a 6013, consider using a different welder. Cheers!👍
Has it improved? Don’t give up! The number on the display of some welders has nothing to do with the amps delivered. I often have to turn up the setting on my cheap welder so I can avoid sticking and strike an arc
So pretty，same laser welding !!!
hey im new to welding what is the difference of the red welding rod and grey
I’ve seen other online saying 7018 must be kept in a rod oven or it just won’t work. It seems your opinion is that it’s not necessary for hobby welding?
Is 7018 1/8" stick good for a fillet weld of 3/16" square tubing to 1/4" flat plate?
@timwelds how long does access to the online course last for when you sign up to the 4 courses???
The courses come with lifetime access so you can work at your own pace and come back to the materials at any time!
What rod would I use to weld 3/16 square pipe. Should I start with 70 amps and low watts
Where do I get the TW hat!?
That's one of a kind for now; my wife got it made for me for Christmas last year.
Wouldn't mind seeing you try 5/32 6010+++++
Which is best rod for galvanized iron (GI)
Thar is a nice chipping hammer !!! I have 3 of them
For sure! Sometimes it’s the small things that make life easier.
If you have a Buzz Box/ AC machine, use 6011in place of 6010 ;)
How does it compare to the 200 amp weldpro
Where can we snag a couple of those sweet hats?
That's one of a kind for now; my amazing wife had it made for me for Christmas last year.
Q: Will stick welding be strong enough for my application?
I want to weld up a seat for my bike for my 60# dog. I will use metal tubes bent to create the back and sides. The bottom will be fastened to my bike rack just the tubular sides will be welded.
Thanks!
In general, Stick welding as a welding process can be very strong. Industrial equipment is repaired with stick welding all the time (by professionals). The more important aspects are: operator skill and competency in metal fabrication/engineering design. The strength/resilience of a completed welded project can highly depend on how the joints/geometry of the structure is designed, as well as the quality of the welded portions that tie it all together. So it begs the questions: Do you already know how to stick weld? Are you experienced in metal fabrication? Are you familiar with creating/evaluating the integrity of a concept structure that is to be welded? If all that is new to you, it might be best to seek advice from someone who is familiar with similar type work and possibly get their advice/input. Hope this helps.
Can you dwelve into something like 7016 next time, if possible? 🙌🏻 I bought it once by mistake and have been using it since then, it's just so so so easy to weld with. But in all honesty, if I don't need to, I don't use electrodes at all... 😂 I'm a TIG welder, I like silence and solitude (without sparks) 🤣
I’m with you on the TIG. 😃 I’ve honestly never used 7016, but I might check some out.
If I'm not mistaken, 7016 is just like 7018, but its flux lacks iron powder, so it doesn't have as high of a deposition rate as 7018.
@@elkvis May be. It forms glass-like slag that needs to be hammered off, but that's very easy. Also starts and restarts are simple, I've been shocked how good it welds too. The main benefit is precision with which welder can lay it down. It has become my go to electrode for home applications when it's windy or I'm out of flux-core.
Most electrode manufacturers have developed a 7018AC. They are generally featured w/ touch restrike, equivalent deposition rates to std 7018 & easy slag removal with better arc control in positional welding. 7018AC is better on AC (Buzz Boxes*) & may help with arc blow.
*maybe a better choice of words, Hobbists with low output power sources
Thank you for the nice video. I'm thinking of buying your course but I'm a bit lazy, is everything metric-compatible in the course or, do I have to use my brain? (e.g. Amps/thou is not a useful unit on my bank of the pond)
I suggest you copy your answer in the course blurb too :)
Thanks! I have metric units in the courses, but the units aren't really the main point. I teach based on principles so that you can figure out the quantities yourself. If you try them and find that it's not the right fit for you, just send me an email and I'll refund the cost, no hard feelings.
So ive got a cheap import welder and have had trouble striking and maintaining an arc with 7018, but not 6013.
Your suggestion of trying a 7018ac rod is something ill try, but im curious as to why having an ac rod would be beneficial? Great vid btw.
Thanks! The 7018AC rods are formulated for arc stability to sustain an arc when the AC sine wave is not at it's peak. This can also help with some cheaper inverters. Another issue I've run into with some cheaper inverters is that the output is a bit lower than the readout, so you may just need to crank it up a little higher than expected.
@@TimWelds cool man, thanks for the response.
One obvious benefit to a 7018AC is "touch restrike", liken to the 6013.
That’s why I don’t like 6010 it loves to stick when it’s brand new once it burns back a but your good to go I always run it at 85 amps I find it melts fast at 90
Hi, I'm a newbie in welding. Currently I have a MMA welding machine but want to use this machine for MIG welding. Since my MMA machine Teoritically has 0~120A and its non-load voltage is 100V, then how to reduce the voltage down to 20V for MIG welding? This machine has only 1 amperage regulator knob (0~120A).
Any help is very appreciated 🙏🏼
Unfortunately, this will probably not work very well. The reason has to do with the fundamental design of power supplies for different welding processes. MMA uses a constant current power supply, where MIG uses a constant voltage supply. The reason for this is that you don't directly control arc lenth with a wire feed process like MIG, so the power supply has to reach a stable point. With a constant voltage supply, power is increased with a short arc length to increase it and is decreased when the arc length is long to reduce it. Thus it will reach a balance point. The MMA power supply will not do this as effectively.
What Rod is good for building Solar Tracker carrying 300Kg of weight? I am a beginner at Arc Welding so i m currently practicing with 6013.
Honestly you could use almost any rod. If you’re learning 6013, I’d just use that.
6010 rods. I found out that if you dampen the rods you can reduce splatter. Working underground, 6010 has it uses. I prefer 7018.
Thanks! When I went to welding school, they actually had us dip our 6010 rods to help them maintain an arc with their early generation inverter machines...turns out there's a background setting that just needed to be changed, but no one realized that at the time. I haven't tried it since then or compared the spatter, that'll be an interesting experiment.
@@TimWelds Thank you for the reply.
I usually clean the tip of the 7018 with a die grinder before restarting. And hotstart is nice for avoiding welding it stuck to the workpiece.
But I really prefer the 6013.
where can i find a aluminum plate like that? im checking onlinemetals and a .5" 24x24" 6061 plate is $300+ does that sound about right?
Material prices have skyrocketed since a few years ago, so that could definitely be their price, but I don’t buy a lot of thick plate, so I’m not sure. I’d shop it around a little, check with local shops and maybe go a bit thinner/smaller if that would serve your purpose.
10 , a DC reverse ONLY rod , ! Is the best shit since sliced bread..
I like 6013 on clean metal.
Hello Tim's I still can't access the online class..I've been trying weeks now..
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GREAT video as always, but I have a question about 7018 (DCEN).
Bottom line, why might it be so EXTREMELY DIFFICULT START, even with new rods on very clean metal? You start it like the Pro here (of course), but for me and some others it is by far the the most difficult rod to use, even brand new. My machine has an "arc force" setting which is poorly explained in its user manual -- would that be the key? Meantime, I am sticking bad every single time I use 7018 rods. Again, THANKS for your channel and super clear info!
Thanks! I would recommend DCEP for 7018. Striking an arc is largely a matter of practice. Arc Force will increase amperage when your arc length becomes short (the machine senses this from a change in voltage, which is proportional to arc length). It doesn’t do much for 7018, but is more helpful on cellulosic rods like 6010/6011. If your machine has a hot start setting, that would help quite a bit.
@@TimWelds Thanks! Okay - I meant to say DCEP - but will make sure. To be honest, I do not know if I have Hot Start on my good fancy machine (the manual is not very good in my opinion). It is a YesWelder 250P AC/DC.
When I first started learning to weld, I got rod 7018 stuck 9 times outta 10... Ugh😢
99 out of 100 here - not exaggerating! Still true. @@lamey99
That’s why they call it stick
what is best for dune buggy frames or thinner Guage metal as for welder and welder sticks
Tig.
The slag will roll up behind a 7018 if done correctly
Not always, it depends a lot on the brand
Hey bud are you still running your courses if so is there still availablity
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7018, welds easily. Good quality 6013 is fine, too. Anything with cellulose is just nasty and difficult to use, simply switch to TIG if I need a good root.
From my experience, you just have to try the electrodes, some make better ones, some are worse. 6013 from company A doesn't weld as nice as other pack from company B.
Would a stick welder be good for automotive stuff? Like if I was welding a floor pan or fixing rust. My car is from 1966 so I think the sheet metal is thicker than modern cars. But idk if it’s possible
there are video's on youtube of guys using small 6013 electrodes for what you're
asking about .
I prefer 6011 on cars. Especially on vintage stuff and 6011 cleans everything.
How thick is the Aluminum Plate you are using? Trying to find one
It’s 3/8” thick. Depending on what you’re doing, 1/4” could be fine. If you’re welding steel, a steel plate would be fine as well. The one I have is just a random size drop remnant that I happened upon for 25 bucks a few years ago. You can order one from an online supplier, but it’s probably worth calling a few local metal suppliers or fab shops to see if they’d sell you a rem that’s around what you’re looking for.
@@TimWelds wow only 3/8? i was guessing 5/8
I came across this one from Justin’s (the fabrication series) store. weldmetalsonline.com/products/bench-top-welding-plate
It’s a bit thinner, but seems like a decent price if you’re still looking. I have a discount code there ‘TimWelds’ that can save a few bucks.
@@TimWelds sweet. I’ll check it out. Thanks!
you can just bang the stick once on the table and it will come off 4:43
Turn your heat down 5. I'd like to see the back side. I whip fast with slightly higher acr length and it looks like 7018.
Thanks! I'll give that a try. It was definitely roasting that 1/8" plate by the end of the run.
@TimWelds might take a few tries but you'll get it. Shouldn't be any blistering at all on the back side. You can do it vertices up as well
no curly ,zigzag patterns type
Are these courses for the beginner?
Yes, they’re built specifically for beginners. 👍
i noticed tht 6013 & 7014 welded thru paint & rust also................
Those red 6010s are reverse polarity rods
Thanks! I was running reverse polarity (DCEP) for all of the welds.
Aww did not know that's what that meant Dcep. Bought them several times and wondered why they splattered so bad discovered it that way lol
How do u weld in dat position
Dat? Lemme axe you a question. Wha u meen by dat?
Been forever since Vo-Tec lol so I have not Welded for decades. I am probably 100% wrong but don't they call a 70/18 Rod a "Jet Rod" as well?
Again I'm probably wrong I'm just curious. Also you Weld well past a Pro smh some guy's just find what they are perfect at then run with it. Sadly I'm not one of those Guys LOL.
There is no comparison structural Rod versus fill rod
7018 CAN peel the slag. You just gotta have your settings and technique on point
I don’t think I said it can’t, 7018 is probably the best peeling rod out there. It depends a lot on the brand of rod, joint type and position as well. You can have a completely acceptable weld that isn’t a peeler.
Run off tabs would be to use
I use all of them but my favorite is one no one uses anymore - 7024. Big fat rod, great looking weld, slag just peels off. Not the best for everything but for a lot of the stuff around my house I love it.
Fully & 110% agree. Great for fillet welds & downhand (flat) welds. It's also called a dummy rod. You just couldn't go wrong with it.
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7018 should really be called hydrogen sensitive rather than low hydrogen.