@@nancymclaughlin6790 We do still need to worry about it. Monkey pox is still a problem . Even though small pox is very well guarded in the lab escape are still possible . Its still a threat .
@@hannahdyson7129 not really because the kept specimens of Smallpox has been researched since 1980s. They have new treatments and new vaccines in something does happen. Either way Smallpox it’s not so much of a threat now. The same with plaque. They got antibiotics treatment and vaccine.
"It's not on their chest or stomach..." "Centrifugal distribution...sparing the trunk..." Carter does the differential diagnosis...chicken pox presents on the trunk and abdomen first...really good medical writing.
I had chickenpox back in the late '50s, I remember it started on my stomach,and spread to my chest and shoulders. The itching and burning sensation in my skin nearly drove crazy. I couldn't sleep, it was far worse than any of the other 'childhood' diseases I contracted. I'm thankful my son, due to the vaccines he received, never had this.
@@stephaniefreeman3914 Yes, and the show runner, was also an MD, I'm blanking on his name. Crichton was a show creator, I do not think he was involved in the day-to-day running. Neal Baer was the medical doctor involved in later seasons.
When you are staring down the barrel of a for-real outbreak of a nasty that you have no cure for, now you know how the doctors felt when they were up against AIDS in the early 80's.
AIDS has a cure. Black rhino meat, and marinated shark fins. My cousins friend had AIDS, but now he is cured. The materials are there, but the government hides the cure from us.
@@mybuttsmellslikebutterbut207 Right.... I'm going to regret asking this: So why would any government that has the cure want to let it run on and utterly devastate the economy, and kill so many people?
DreadLindwyrm the order of the black Sparrow and white tiger have been secretly running the governments of the world since the days of Machiavelli. Black rainbow is a genetically infused and enhanced virus which will be released to bring forth the end of the world as we know it. JFK was assassinated by the Sparrows because he meddled with the affairs on the Dark side of the moon. In short, the Government is controlled by time traveling aliens who are secretly plotting to deviate humanity from its path of becoming a multi galaxy civilization. The aliens have to be really careful to ensure they don’t wipe themselves out of existence by accident. It is all connected.
This chocked me up when she said she had already been exposed. Soo many of the doctors and nurses that have passed from Covid had that same rationale as they gave their lives to help their patients.
@Andrea De Luca no not in the slightest. Smallpox has a state where you are ill, but not badly ill, and you think maybe it’s a cold. It’s at least 10X more deadly, and it’s very contagious. More do than Covid-19. It’s my guess that small pox could kill 1/3 of 7 billion people (2.333 billion) if it is spread around quickly, which so far it’s just been defeated.
As a retired nurse, if you don’t feel like it is your responsibility to wear a mask, that is fine, however, it is disrespectful to those who work every day and night to save those affected by COVID-19 and to all those people who have died from it. We don’t ask, “Did you wear a mask?” before we treat you. We treat everyone with respect and dignity and everything we have.
@@yosefshekelberg5433 yeah, but a fever developing a few days after exposure to a highly contagious, potentially life threatening disease is different. It could be nothing, sure, but the mere possibility that you are infected is enough to send a chill down your spine.
That disbelief from the doctors that it could smallpox reminds me of when My niece had a friend who’s mom lied to him about him being vaccinated(she was kinda hippie-ish). He got really sick one day, went to the doctors, told him it be might this or that, couldn’t really explain what was wrong. He found out he wasn’t vaccinated as a baby from his mom, went to the doctors again and told them. Turns out he got smallpox or some kind disease(I can’t remember) that had basically been almost eradicated but the doctors didn’t think it was that because 1. He had been told he was vaccinated(he wasn’t) and 2. it was something that hasn’t been around for so long that the doctors dismissed it.
It wasn't smallpox. Smallpox hasn't existed outside of two extremely high security laboratories for more than forty years. If anyone contracted it it would be front page news for weeks.
It was probably measles. Measles had been almost eradicated until the rise of the Anti-vaccine movement, especially around the MMR vaccine not being safe thanks to "Doctor" Wakefield's 1998 study (the study that brought around the idea that vaccines cause autism).
Can I just say for all the drama about the smallpox, my favourite bit of this was actually the scene where the are trying to figure out what to do and referring to a guidebook that doesn't seem to make sense. That's the most realistic depiction of medicine I've ever seen. The amount of our time as doctors spent looking up one pathway or another and the links don't work or the file doesn't make sense etc is ridiculous.
@@theroadtocosplayandcomicco5840 if I remember right, it's a one and done vaccine, but only to the non-weaponized smallpox strains (i.e. major and minor). Pray to whatever deity(s) you worship if you get the hemorrhagic strain because you are DEAD even if you have the vaccine (100% infection rate even with the vaccine)... outside of that brand of horror, the worst is 75% if I remember an old WHO article about weaponized smallpox.
I was in the Army, and had to get the Small box vaccine prior to deploying over seas. I did some look into it when we were given the day off in case we had an allergic reaction. It seems the vaccine lasts 8-10 years but if you ever come in contact, your resistance can last much longer. Immunity isn't real. It is much harder to catch smallpox once you have been properly vaccinated, but that doesn't mean you are immune. If you spend enough time and exposure around smallpox, you will get infected with enough that will over take your system. The vaccine just boosts your immune system to deal with it for short periods. I would assume specialized doctors and emergency care providers are given the vaccination. I doubt every medical personnel is given it, since it is costly, and you have to go through the government to gain access to it. Making the vaccine requires smallpox cells, which can be weaponized if stolen. From what I gathered, even when CDC or any other org or emergency response for viral epidemics appear. They will rotate out workers, to help avoid consistent exposure. Even with proper gear and equipment, they themselves get quarantined and watched after.
That depends on how quickly he can be infected by it, and how long it takes for him to become infectious. If he's got, say, a day before he becomes infectious he's got time to handle things as he did. It would *potentially* make sense for him to get the place locked down and then isolate himself with the family so as not to expose any other medical professionals further. However the *entire* staff and patients there would be on prophylactic treatment to prevent it from taking hold anyway, so the extra couple of minutes there may not matter.
I love ER and I think it's due to the long tracking shots. Literally, 2:14 to 3:38 is a single shot, no cut. This is brilliant acting and it's just enjoyable to watch.
I knew how the show worked by now, the first time i watched this. The moment i saw Carter not moving, with fear growing in his face, and the music sounding ominous, i felt really bad.
I agree. BIG difference though. C19 was NEW, nobody (presumably) knew what they were dealing with. Smallpox has been seen before, in this case…the 1940’s. 100 years from now, they’ll possibly have to do the same thing that was done here. As an aside, IF everyone who can be vaccinated IS…maybe, just maybe…that wouldn’t happen. Most likely reason these kids presented with smallpox is due to NOT being vaccinated. There is a lesson to be learned here. Sad to say, but art imitates life; life imitates art. So true. We need to LEARN from C19, so this exact scenario does NOT EVER happen again. Protocols need to be developed and followed.
The difference is in the symptoms, how can you tell CV-19 to a cold? Whereas if I have these on myself or my kids I'd be damn panic and will make precautious methods immediately, you can't just lock everyone down with just a cough?
@@catbuikhang6482 it is so easy to tell the difference between covid and a simple cold. Loss of taste and smell, severely sore muscles, severe coughing, nausea, brain fog, etc. I only know this cause my brother had it and his moron grandma went to Texas if all places and brought it back. If you can’t tell the difference between a cold and covid, how the hell are you alive?
@@happyian1752 It is now that you know, during the first outbreak, tell me how can they possibly know the loss of taste and smell was Covid? Also most people has mild symptoms even none, my country is suffering heavily for it you can Google. It is not easily distinguished from a cold and that is exactly why maybe your family member never suspected and self quarantined themselves until it's too late
It's eerily similar to today. Also when Carter talked about it being worth the risk or not. If only this team of TV show writers could run the US's covid response for a few months LOL. We'd definitely be better off.
No, he says slow down so people don't panic. People make bad decisions when they panic. If you saw the entire episode, you would see what happens when panic breaks out. (And as it turns out, it wasn't smallpox.)
Here’s the thing that always bothered me about the scene the boy is more lethargic than his sister who seems alert yet she’s the one who declines soon after they put her in a room and dies Edit: Also I work in pediatrics and prior to Covid-19 you have a rash and a fever/flu like symptoms you are placed into an isolation room especially if you’ve been out of the country (I assume due to fear of measles and/or chicken pox) so why weren’t they triage and brought into a room out of precaution
It wasn't cancelled. It still had good ratings. They just decided after 15 years it was time. The death of series creator Michael Crichton had a lot to do with it as well.
The fact that the US initially used Kovac's logic is why we are in the mess we are in today. In situations like this it is always better to over react than to under react.
*Except that when you over-react you can make fatal decisions that leave more people killed than if you had under-reacted. If you see a deer on the road, should you swerve into oncoming traffic to avoid it, leading to multiple casualties, or keep the wheel straight and brace for impact?*
@CaptainAlliance False equivalency because you're not necessarily under reacting by bracing for impact to kill the deer versus swerving into on-coming traffic. There is no underreaction vs. overreaction. The original comment was talking about situations involving public health such as this, in which it is far better to overreact than it is to underreact. And your counterargument doesn't really work because in the case of a contagious disease, overreaction saves lives. Lockdowns saved lives as opposed to not and backlogging the healthcare system.
I remember a episode of Quincy M.D. They came upon a body in morgue and finds out the body was highly contagious, they had to disrobe immediately, everything, shower off and isolate.
4 of my grandmother children had died of chickenpox or smallpox. At her time they hadn't yet eradicated them with vaccine, it was so sad whenever she talked about her kids 😢
Yea and if small pox were to come back at least where I live, the younger generations like mine won't have the vaccine unless we're in the military and we'd be screwed.
@@trinitylivingston1286 Not even the military. We haven't given the vaccine to anybody since the disease had been eradicated. We still produce it however it's being stockpiled. 3 generations of people aren't vaccinated for smallpox right now, and if it were to come back it would devastate millions of people before the government could contain it and keep it at bay. Tens of millions would die.
@@cid2852 This episode is from 2002. Google was launched in 1998. But way before Google came into existence, Yahoo and AltaVista were the main search engines, which I started using in 1996 ... So, yeah, believe me when I say: He could have easily looked this up online. But obviously, it makes sense that the tubes came to mind....
Turns out it wasn't Smallpox but a variant of Monkeypox instead. They were able to vaccinate everyone using the Smallpox Vaccine which did the trick, but several characters had to quarantine in the abandoned hospital for a couple of weeks just to be safe. Only the little girl died, but her brother and everyone else ended up making it. One thing that they had wondered was if someone purposefully infected them because they were in some other country at the time, but the state department or whatever refused to answer that one way or the other.
My little brother when he was small went to dr for chicken pox n measles n mumps but it wasn’t any of that. The lumps were found to be lack of oxygen to the heart. I remember my dad was told it would affect him in his teens. It turns out it was a heart condition valve to the heart collapsing while resting or pumping too much oxygen. He collapsed n went into cardiac arrest throughout his teens n almost died in my arms once. He finally went back to hospital and they had created an injection shot thing similar to what a diabetic would take which he needed to keep taking that would keep his heart valve open n prevent it from closing.
Okay can we just accept the fact that Malik is the best. He’s just tryna get some coffee and is like “wait what’s going on... damn I shoulda called in sick today!”
Everyone else is talking about the disease and I'm just surprised (and impressed) that the boy was apparently 10 and was small and light enough to be nonchalantly carried like that. I know every kid grows at a different rate and it might have been possible but still... when I was 10 most adults around me would have had a hard time lifting me off the ground let alone speed walk with me in their arms and it wasn't like I was really out of shape or anything.
Ultimately they made the right call here, as the kids were found to have Monkeypox, not smallpox. Milder in terms of mortality compared to smallpox however just as contagious and still deadly to many people.
@@flashlightfreek also there was no “times” or lockdown. It was all Chinese government style theater. Anyone who wasn’t an infantile moron just went outside anyways.
Why would a healthcare professional be treating patients if shes running a fever and is sick? She should at least wear a mask to help prevent her from getting patients sick.
My mom got it in the early 70's and doctors had no ideas what it was. Then she went to a specialist and she realized what it was but she was past the infection stage where it could spread before she found out it was small pox.
Why did the Doc grab the girl? Now he might be infected. Bodily fluid contact spreads it and on rare occasions respiratory in a closed environment. My mother's side of the family had 10 kids and six died from smallpox. How it is spread was one question on a rank advancement test when I was in the Navy, the only reason I remembered. Any Hospital Corpsman out there!?
Quicker to get her out of the waiting room and away from other patients I suppose - and he's easily treatable in the early stages or before symptoms turn up, plus he *may* be immunised against it, depending on if it's in the mandatory medical worker shot package.
Chicken pox I can handle- SM Sm sm sma (gasps) SMALLPOX!!!!!! “Runs over and pushes the lockdown button and alarm sirens go off and metal doors slammed down”
I wish doctor's had such initiative now a days. So many people die every year because doctors rite it off as something novel or irrelevant rather than actually do the work and properly diagnose and prescribe.
this is why we vaccinate- smallpox and polio (FOR EXAMPLE, amongst others) still exist, the viruses themselves are "on ice" in places, but if we vaccinate against them this doesn't happen- 5 bucks says the parents didn't vaccinate their kids
@Johnston Steiner actually don't think it is because everyone got vaccinated and the virus now only exists "on ice" don't know for sure, but with anti-vaxxers being a thing it's only a matter of time until it starts coming back, ugh.
@Margaret Liles not if anti-vaxxers have anything to say about it. after all, can't vaccinate what doesn't exist! Humans will die out from preventable diseases if we don't vaccinate OR, alternatively it'll be the anti-vaxxers who wipe themselves out thankfully. survival of the fittest and all that.
@@birdiec ^ This was filmed in time when there was less then 600 million internet connected computers on the entire planet and connections were still slow as balls. Not like today when he could've whipped out his phone and brought up a medical journal in an instant.
Didnt know this is serious. Ive had small pox when i was 15. Just really like a bad flu, i was always asleep. I sleep off the fever. When the pox was in the itchy period, i put on menthol ointment on it so i wont scratch it. They isolated me on the 2nd floor. It was 2 wks, when i came back to school, nobody believed i had small pox because i dont have any scars. Well the menthol ointment did the trick. One classmate visited me, because she said she already had this and wont have it again.
I think you probably had chicken pox, not small pox. The last recorded natural case of small pox was in 1977 in Somalia. Since then, the only cases of it happened after a lab accident. Small pox has been eradicated and is only kept in samples in labs.
It was definitely small pox. I never went to the doctor. We were living in some rural area in a mountaneous region. You get to be taken at the hospital if u are dying. I have been vaccinated on small pox when i was young, so when i had it when i was 15, i survived it. Those days vaccines are really good for people.
@@picklesdiaz if you didn't go to A doctor, how do you know it was small pox. Considering they record any and all cases if it, and these things are highly reported on. Especially as you talk about a class mate having it as well. If there were multiple cases in an area, this would have been picked up on and reported. There is probably no point arguing over this, as your gonna swear it was small pox, but I can almost guarantee it was chicken and not small. The two are very different, one mild (like how you describe), the other pretty deadly.
I cannot imagine a doctor's horror if he saw an extinct disease that plagued mankind for centuries re-emerging before his eyes.
@@nancymclaughlin6790 We do still need to worry about it. Monkey pox is still a problem . Even though small pox is very well guarded in the lab escape are still possible .
Its still a threat .
@@hannahdyson7129 monkeypox is milder than smallpox
Yep
@@hannahdyson7129 not really because the kept specimens of Smallpox has been researched since 1980s. They have new treatments and new vaccines in something does happen. Either way Smallpox it’s not so much of a threat now. The same with plaque. They got antibiotics treatment and vaccine.
The replies on this are scary 😨. Have we learned nothing from COVID .
I am not loosing sleep over it . But I am aware it could come back
"It's not on their chest or stomach..." "Centrifugal distribution...sparing the trunk..." Carter does the differential diagnosis...chicken pox presents on the trunk and abdomen first...really good medical writing.
I had chickenpox back in the late '50s, I remember it started on my stomach,and spread to my chest and shoulders. The itching and burning sensation in my skin nearly drove crazy. I couldn't sleep, it was far worse than any of the other 'childhood' diseases I contracted. I'm thankful my son, due to the vaccines he received, never had this.
The medical writing on this show is unparalleled to date 👌🏼
Michael Crichton used to be an MD before becoming a successful writer
@@stephaniefreeman3914 Yes, and the show runner, was also an MD, I'm blanking on his name. Crichton was a show creator, I do not think he was involved in the day-to-day running. Neal Baer was the medical doctor involved in later seasons.
And don't forget the amazing posters in their tubes.
‘damn i shoulda called in sick today’ lmaoo best reaction yet
Yeah you would dude
Lol
Funnily enough he probs would have been considered infected later anyway
Yosh said that at some point on the show too lol
Being a part of history often has no warning.
the fear in carter’s eyes when he saw them great acting on wyles part
When you are staring down the barrel of a for-real outbreak of a nasty that you have no cure for, now you know how the doctors felt when they were up against AIDS in the early 80's.
AIDS has a cure. Black rhino meat, and marinated shark fins. My cousins friend had AIDS, but now he is cured. The materials are there, but the government hides the cure from us.
@@mybuttsmellslikebutterbut207 lol your name disproves that.
@@mybuttsmellslikebutterbut207 Right.... I'm going to regret asking this:
So why would any government that has the cure want to let it run on and utterly devastate the economy, and kill so many people?
DreadLindwyrm the order of the black Sparrow and white tiger have been secretly running the governments of the world since the days of Machiavelli. Black rainbow is a genetically infused and enhanced virus which will be released to bring forth the end of the world as we know it. JFK was assassinated by the Sparrows because he meddled with the affairs on the Dark side of the moon. In short, the Government is controlled by time traveling aliens who are secretly plotting to deviate humanity from its path of becoming a multi galaxy civilization. The aliens have to be really careful to ensure they don’t wipe themselves out of existence by accident. It is all connected.
This chocked me up when she said she had already been exposed. Soo many of the doctors and nurses that have passed from Covid had that same rationale as they gave their lives to help their patients.
Imagine all of the patient’s back in Nov-Dec when we had no idea yet:( Wearing a mask and being honest is so important!
@Hannah Dyson You are saving people from starvation!
But COVID does not litter the streets with dead bodies. Smallpox does.
@@lubystkaolamonola529 Smallpox is at least 10X more deadly than Covid-19.
@Andrea De Luca no not in the slightest. Smallpox has a state where you are ill, but not badly ill, and you think maybe it’s a cold. It’s at least 10X more deadly, and it’s very contagious. More do than Covid-19. It’s my guess that small pox could kill 1/3 of 7 billion people (2.333 billion) if it is spread around quickly, which so far it’s just been defeated.
I requested this scene because I think it's pretty relatable to what we had faced recently with COVID-19 outbreak. Be safe out there everybody.
Except quarantine been deemed unconstitutional under 1st amendment.
@@001looker I think our lives are more important
Michael Lawn No it hasn’t. It’s been ruled constitutional by the Supreme Court in two separate cases.
@Hannah Dyson does it really matter what is deadlier?
As a retired nurse, if you don’t feel like it is your responsibility to wear a mask, that is fine, however, it is disrespectful to those who work every day and night to save those affected by COVID-19 and to all those people who have died from it. We don’t ask, “Did you wear a mask?” before we treat you. We treat everyone with respect and dignity and everything we have.
When she said ‘I have a fever’ and their heads snapped up that was chilling
Unrealistic, a fever is a incredibly common response to an infection and does not indicate anything on it's own.
@@yosefshekelberg5433 sure, but at the same time, it's not something to relax on is it?
@@yosefshekelberg5433 yeah, but a fever developing a few days after exposure to a highly contagious, potentially life threatening disease is different. It could be nothing, sure, but the mere possibility that you are infected is enough to send a chill down your spine.
For anybody wondering, they didn't have Smallpox. They had a variation of Monkeypox, which is SIMILAR to Smallpox, but it is often milder.
Didn't the little girl die?
@@sureillbethere She did :(
It was still the right call.
@@22espec I don't blame em
Smallpox and other poxes look similar. Plus smallpox by the shows airing was only eradicated at least 10-20 years earlier
Actually, the CDC confirms Smallpox ahead in that episode.
That disbelief from the doctors that it could smallpox reminds me of when My niece had a friend who’s mom lied to him about him being vaccinated(she was kinda hippie-ish). He got really sick one day, went to the doctors, told him it be might this or that, couldn’t really explain what was wrong. He found out he wasn’t vaccinated as a baby from his mom, went to the doctors again and told them. Turns out he got smallpox or some kind disease(I can’t remember) that had basically been almost eradicated but the doctors didn’t think it was that because 1. He had been told he was vaccinated(he wasn’t) and 2. it was something that hasn’t been around for so long that the doctors dismissed it.
It wasn't smallpox. Smallpox hasn't existed outside of two extremely high security laboratories for more than forty years. If anyone contracted it it would be front page news for weeks.
nth yeah I know i was just saying it was a disease that had been almost eradicated like smallpox
@@Serenity113 Oh, sorry. I misunderstood.
It was probably measles. Measles had been almost eradicated until the rise of the Anti-vaccine movement, especially around the MMR vaccine not being safe thanks to "Doctor" Wakefield's 1998 study (the study that brought around the idea that vaccines cause autism).
bear in mind they thought the black death had been eradicated yet the body's from back then have been found with traces hundreds of years later
Can I just say for all the drama about the smallpox, my favourite bit of this was actually the scene where the are trying to figure out what to do and referring to a guidebook that doesn't seem to make sense. That's the most realistic depiction of medicine I've ever seen. The amount of our time as doctors spent looking up one pathway or another and the links don't work or the file doesn't make sense etc is ridiculous.
i also like the posters being left in a pile in the corner, as i'm sure a lot of public health announcements like this end up.
What bothers me though is he carries the little girl to the room, and then just what sanitizes his hands. He needs to quarentine too!
Actually, medical personnel is required to have a smallpox vaccination unless they are allergic to the vaccine last I've checked.
@@TheTrueAdept is the vaccination a 1 and done thing or do you need to get it like the flu shot
@@theroadtocosplayandcomicco5840 if I remember right, it's a one and done vaccine, but only to the non-weaponized smallpox strains (i.e. major and minor). Pray to whatever deity(s) you worship if you get the hemorrhagic strain because you are DEAD even if you have the vaccine (100% infection rate even with the vaccine)... outside of that brand of horror, the worst is 75% if I remember an old WHO article about weaponized smallpox.
I was in the Army, and had to get the Small box vaccine prior to deploying over seas. I did some look into it when we were given the day off in case we had an allergic reaction. It seems the vaccine lasts 8-10 years but if you ever come in contact, your resistance can last much longer. Immunity isn't real. It is much harder to catch smallpox once you have been properly vaccinated, but that doesn't mean you are immune. If you spend enough time and exposure around smallpox, you will get infected with enough that will over take your system. The vaccine just boosts your immune system to deal with it for short periods.
I would assume specialized doctors and emergency care providers are given the vaccination. I doubt every medical personnel is given it, since it is costly, and you have to go through the government to gain access to it. Making the vaccine requires smallpox cells, which can be weaponized if stolen. From what I gathered, even when CDC or any other org or emergency response for viral epidemics appear. They will rotate out workers, to help avoid consistent exposure. Even with proper gear and equipment, they themselves get quarantined and watched after.
That depends on how quickly he can be infected by it, and how long it takes for him to become infectious.
If he's got, say, a day before he becomes infectious he's got time to handle things as he did.
It would *potentially* make sense for him to get the place locked down and then isolate himself with the family so as not to expose any other medical professionals further.
However the *entire* staff and patients there would be on prophylactic treatment to prevent it from taking hold anyway, so the extra couple of minutes there may not matter.
I love ER and I think it's due to the long tracking shots. Literally, 2:14 to 3:38 is a single shot, no cut. This is brilliant acting and it's just enjoyable to watch.
I love shows that do this, different genre but Gilmore girls does very long tracking shots with super fast dialogue and walking lol
It’s been a while since I’ve seen this level of coordinated efficient work. Impressive.
There's a difference between panicking and acting quickly.
The unofficial “changing of the guard” episode. Carter indeed set the tone
I knew how the show worked by now, the first time i watched this.
The moment i saw Carter not moving, with fear growing in his face, and the music sounding ominous, i felt really bad.
The smallpox dad looks like Dr Mike. He should react to this lol. * peewoop*
This is exactly how Covid was supposed to be handled! Nobody in, nobody out! Peace!
I agree. BIG difference though. C19 was NEW, nobody (presumably) knew what they were dealing with. Smallpox has been seen before, in this case…the 1940’s. 100 years from now, they’ll possibly have to do the same thing that was done here. As an aside, IF everyone who can be vaccinated IS…maybe, just maybe…that wouldn’t happen.
Most likely reason these kids presented with smallpox is due to NOT being vaccinated. There is a lesson to be learned here. Sad to say, but art imitates life; life imitates art. So true. We need to LEARN from C19, so this exact scenario does NOT EVER happen again. Protocols need to be developed and followed.
The difference is in the symptoms, how can you tell CV-19 to a cold? Whereas if I have these on myself or my kids I'd be damn panic and will make precautious methods immediately, you can't just lock everyone down with just a cough?
@@catbuikhang6482 it is so easy to tell the difference between covid and a simple cold. Loss of taste and smell, severely sore muscles, severe coughing, nausea, brain fog, etc. I only know this cause my brother had it and his moron grandma went to Texas if all places and brought it back. If you can’t tell the difference between a cold and covid, how the hell are you alive?
@@happyian1752 It is now that you know, during the first outbreak, tell me how can they possibly know the loss of taste and smell was Covid? Also most people has mild symptoms even none, my country is suffering heavily for it you can Google. It is not easily distinguished from a cold and that is exactly why maybe your family member never suspected and self quarantined themselves until it's too late
@@catbuikhang6482 tell that bullshit to all my family members that had it
This is some of the best acting I've seen on any TV show. You can literally feel his guts drop halfway down his bowels!
“Oh man...” very realistic reaction when you’re trying to remain calm.
Imagine ER came back for a 2 episode coronavirus event
EPIC!
ER Chief Rachel Greene will have everyone prepared.
@@mtk52983 what if rachel decided to become a male and go by michael?
I'm in
Except COVID isn’t nearly this bad...
'could it be allergic reaction' that saying has been in my family since we scene the trailer of this episode years ago
The way the this episode goes down is a cautionary tale of how stupid people react in a quarantine lockdown.
And also how nothing is ever truly “eradicated”. Make no complacencies and suspect everything.
@@KandiKlover it was monkeypox, not smallpox, which is eradicated
@@NoName-hg6cc they are still smallpox samples in BSL4 labs.
@@Whitneypyant Meaning an epidemic is highly unlikely
Wow this hits so different in 2021 than it did when I first watched it when it premiered.
When Kovac says, "slow down", it's like all the people who don't take Covid serious
It's eerily similar to today. Also when Carter talked about it being worth the risk or not. If only this team of TV show writers could run the US's covid response for a few months LOL. We'd definitely be better off.
@@i_booba Truth!!!
Maybe it’s bc there is so much god damn Politicization
I think because they dont know what it is at first and dont want to cause panic.. but im always a better safe than sorry person
No, he says slow down so people don't panic. People make bad decisions when they panic. If you saw the entire episode, you would see what happens when panic breaks out. (And as it turns out, it wasn't smallpox.)
I’m shocked the little girl died, she looked so lively still
Imagine seeing this in real life as a doctor and you have no idea what to do
Er was still able to roll out good episodes like this after Anthony Edwards left.
How would Mark have handled this?
@@johnsonwaite9865 I'm guessing pretty similar.
opens tube with a Hang in there a poster of a kitten ."Oh man..."
The comment we didn’t ask for... but we all needed. 😂
🤣🤣🤣
You won the internet today as far as I’m concerned
Lockdown has a new meaning in history.
Who else here cause they couldn’t find part two on that tiktok...
guilty as charged
Sammeeee
Some of us don't bother with bullshit. We just enjoy great TV Shows.
@@christinaFaith84 damn who messed up ur day. Hope tomorrow’s better👍
I found out it's back. One reported case in Massachusetts.
Smallpox isn’t back. The only way for smallpox to be back is if there was one major fuck up BSL4 labs.
Carter’s face, then the music of anxiety. You know it’s going to be bad.
Again I say this show will always beat out every medical drama!
Here’s the thing that always bothered me about the scene the boy is more lethargic than his sister who seems alert yet she’s the one who declines soon after they put her in a room and dies
Edit: Also I work in pediatrics and prior to Covid-19 you have a rash and a fever/flu like symptoms you are placed into an isolation room especially if you’ve been out of the country (I assume due to fear of measles and/or chicken pox) so why weren’t they triage and brought into a room out of precaution
3:45
Carter literally says that they should’ve been isolated right away.
Could have been genital warts and they go bonkers
It's a TV series and this way it creates more drama.
He says they should have been in isolation. And you should know kids are very good at compensating until they are very unwell.
The nurse states she didn't see them to be able to triage them.
Man, I saw this episode as a kid on TV, when it aired, and it gave me nightmares after. Especially the ending and how tragic it was.
I miss ER, It should never have been cancelled 😞
Why was it cancelled?
It wasn't cancelled. It still had good ratings. They just decided after 15 years it was time. The death of series creator Michael Crichton had a lot to do with it as well.
@@aliyah2393 why ER was canceled because Mark Greene died of brain cancer
@@ashleyjackson2715 .... That's not true at all. ER continued for 7 years after Dr. Greene died.
"I should've called in sick today" the realest thing anyone would say in this situation 😂
God I Miss This Show! 🥺
When the camera moves slowly, you know shits about to go down
this is one of my fav episodes!!
Welcome to 2022...
The fact that the US initially used Kovac's logic is why we are in the mess we are in today. In situations like this it is always better to over react than to under react.
*Except that when you over-react you can make fatal decisions that leave more people killed than if you had under-reacted. If you see a deer on the road, should you swerve into oncoming traffic to avoid it, leading to multiple casualties, or keep the wheel straight and brace for impact?*
Yeah they think your crazy and mock you and laugh
@CaptainAlliance False equivalency because you're not necessarily under reacting by bracing for impact to kill the deer versus swerving into on-coming traffic. There is no underreaction vs. overreaction. The original comment was talking about situations involving public health such as this, in which it is far better to overreact than it is to underreact. And your counterargument doesn't really work because in the case of a contagious disease, overreaction saves lives. Lockdowns saved lives as opposed to not and backlogging the healthcare system.
one of my favourite episodes!
Whss as t episode is this
I remember a episode of Quincy M.D. They came upon a body in morgue and finds out the body was highly contagious, they had to disrobe immediately, everything, shower off and isolate.
yes that scene was an eye-opener for me too...
Good show. A trailblazer!
Who is here after the monkey pox outbreak ?
Emma you can go back to making popcorn and binge harry potter
4 of my grandmother children had died of chickenpox or smallpox. At her time they hadn't yet eradicated them with vaccine, it was so sad whenever she talked about her kids 😢
Yea and if small pox were to come back at least where I live, the younger generations like mine won't have the vaccine unless we're in the military and we'd be screwed.
I had chickenpox as a kid but not smallpox…
@@Du808-o8k How old are you?
Thank God you didn't have smallpox!
@@trinitylivingston1286 Not even the military. We haven't given the vaccine to anybody since the disease had been eradicated. We still produce it however it's being stockpiled. 3 generations of people aren't vaccinated for smallpox right now, and if it were to come back it would devastate millions of people before the government could contain it and keep it at bay. Tens of millions would die.
it was one of the best television series ever even if they did get a lot of the medical stuff wrong.
Who felt itchy after watching that? lol
I immediately started scratching myself
Checking the poster before Google was invented
Google was launched in 1998. This episode is from 2002. Plus, there were Yahoo! and AltaVista way before Google existed as a search engine ...
@@cid2852 This episode is from 2002. Google was launched in 1998. But way before Google came into existence, Yahoo and AltaVista were the main search engines, which I started using in 1996 ... So, yeah, believe me when I say: He could have easily looked this up online. But obviously, it makes sense that the tubes came to mind....
They had smallpox case on House MD too, it was such an interesting episode
It wasn't smallpox it was Rpox remember
Turns out it wasn't Smallpox but a variant of Monkeypox instead. They were able to vaccinate everyone using the Smallpox Vaccine which did the trick, but several characters had to quarantine in the abandoned hospital for a couple of weeks just to be safe. Only the little girl died, but her brother and everyone else ended up making it. One thing that they had wondered was if someone purposefully infected them because they were in some other country at the time, but the state department or whatever refused to answer that one way or the other.
damn i forgot how good this show is
My little brother when he was small went to dr for chicken pox n measles n mumps but it wasn’t any of that. The lumps were found to be lack of oxygen to the heart. I remember my dad was told it would affect him in his teens. It turns out it was a heart condition valve to the heart collapsing while resting or pumping too much oxygen. He collapsed n went into cardiac arrest throughout his teens n almost died in my arms once. He finally went back to hospital and they had created an injection shot thing similar to what a diabetic would take which he needed to keep taking that would keep his heart valve open n prevent it from closing.
Okay can we just accept the fact that Malik is the best. He’s just tryna get some coffee and is like “wait what’s going on... damn I shoulda called in sick today!”
Damn I miss this show!!
So many great scenes in this show. They don’t make them like this.
This low key hits different during covid....
Watching this in 2022
Everyone else is talking about the disease and I'm just surprised (and impressed) that the boy was apparently 10 and was small and light enough to be nonchalantly carried like that. I know every kid grows at a different rate and it might have been possible but still... when I was 10 most adults around me would have had a hard time lifting me off the ground let alone speed walk with me in their arms and it wasn't like I was really out of shape or anything.
I remember the first time I saw this a few years ago, I thought nothing like this could happen and it was over-dramatic... then COVID happened.
Ultimately they made the right call here, as the kids were found to have Monkeypox, not smallpox. Milder in terms of mortality compared to smallpox however just as contagious and still deadly to many people.
Well, i remembered this episode because of the new monkeypox cases, so I came to rewatch this scene for the 10000 times and i’m not proud of myself. 😔
God this is so relatable now with this pandemic! But if smallpox has a comeback, I am leaving this world
Yeah. Most of us would.
Art imitates life again
Life imitates art
might be the very best episode of ER
This was a terrifying episode
You ought to see yugoslav movie Variola Vera from 1982 - about the outbreak of smallpox in Yugoslavia in 1972...
'Susan, you need to come up with a plan like now' reminds me of the chemical spill episode...😲😲😲
"lockdown" seems very appropriate for the times we are living in...
Yeah for a virus that has a 95% or above survival rate
@@flashlightfreek also there was no “times” or lockdown. It was all Chinese government style theater. Anyone who wasn’t an infantile moron just went outside anyways.
Why would a healthcare professional be treating patients if shes running a fever and is sick? She should at least wear a mask to help prevent her from getting patients sick.
Welcome to healthcare, yes we work when sick, but in the real world we mask up.
In healthcare we have a saying, "Do as we say, not as we do."
Still my favorite Shut Up jerry...;)
2 monkeypox cases confirmed in my state👀 Then this finds it way into my algorithm again???
im a grey's anatomy fan and when i watch other medical related shows, i feel like im cheating on my girlfriend omg.
me too. i started watching ER but i was so young
Actually, you're cheating on ER by watching Grey's Anatomy. ;)
@@er-emergencyroom434 yaaass exactly because ER is the og everything after it was a copy
@@er-emergencyroom434 ER was part of my childhood
same omg
This is very scary about what happened to thoses kids
Oh damn make this show in 2020 with all the corona hystery going on
Good scene ! Captivating.
i remember watching this from bed on the dole all those years ago haha, it was a great episode
When I think of ER one of the memorable moments for me is when they are administering the vaccine in the first episode of season 9
Monkeypox is back!
Monkeypox never went away
These clips are riveting! ✨
So much better than The Good Doctor’s contagion episodes in season 2.
My mom got it in the early 70's and doctors had no ideas what it was. Then she went to a specialist and she realized what it was but she was past the infection stage where it could spread before she found out it was small pox.
Best TV show ever made in my opinion.
Why did the Doc grab the girl? Now he might be infected. Bodily fluid contact spreads it and on rare occasions respiratory in a closed environment. My mother's side of the family had 10 kids and six died from smallpox. How it is spread was one question on a rank advancement test when I was in the Navy, the only reason I remembered. Any Hospital Corpsman out there!?
Quicker to get her out of the waiting room and away from other patients I suppose - and he's easily treatable in the early stages or before symptoms turn up, plus he *may* be immunised against it, depending on if it's in the mandatory medical worker shot package.
He already is. It's airborne
Very scary how smallpox is like the covid outbreak now.
@Hannah Dyson but smallpox has a vaccine already developed.
No, it isn't. Smallpox is much, MUCH more deadly.
I think my old smallpox vaccination might protect me for 10 minutes.
@Hannah Dyson 🤞
Coronavirus isn't a natural virus
It's man made
George is getting UPSET!!!!!
Chicken pox I can handle- SM Sm sm sma (gasps) SMALLPOX!!!!!! “Runs over and pushes the lockdown button and alarm sirens go off and metal doors slammed down”
Better then Greys? Yah I think so.
Good show
Smallpox is terrifying. After reading Demon In The Freezer i fear and respect it greatly.
And even without deadly it is. I bet you a buck that parents would throw Small Pox Parties.
@@Pogueconductor Today yes, sadly. But they'd change their mind quickly
Carter: OH darn. !!!
My favorite episode
I wish doctor's had such initiative now a days. So many people die every year because doctors rite it off as something novel or irrelevant rather than actually do the work and properly diagnose and prescribe.
this is why we vaccinate- smallpox and polio (FOR EXAMPLE, amongst others) still exist, the viruses themselves are "on ice" in places, but if we vaccinate against them this doesn't happen- 5 bucks says the parents didn't vaccinate their kids
@Johnston Steiner actually don't think it is because everyone got vaccinated and the virus now only exists "on ice"
don't know for sure, but with anti-vaxxers being a thing it's only a matter of time until it starts coming back, ugh.
@Margaret Liles not if anti-vaxxers have anything to say about it. after all, can't vaccinate what doesn't exist! Humans will die out from preventable diseases if we don't vaccinate
OR, alternatively it'll be the anti-vaxxers who wipe themselves out thankfully. survival of the fittest and all that.
pov: you’re coming from the tiktok
What?
Yessss haha!!
What til tok?
POV: you're cringe
I miss my this show.
Better safe than sorry
I remember seeing this episode (or this part of the episode) as a kid, but never seeing how it ended. aggggh.
This was from the last episode of season 8. I think it continued in the first episode of season 9
Interesting that his first thought was to find one of the informational posters. You’d think he’d try to look up more information on the internet.
This is 2002 remember. The internet was a toddler
@@birdiec ^
This was filmed in time when there was less then 600 million internet connected computers on the entire planet and connections were still slow as balls. Not like today when he could've whipped out his phone and brought up a medical journal in an instant.
It was a different time back then
Why don't any of the youtube drs react to this episode? They reacted to similar episodes of House and The Good Doctor, why not this one?
Didnt know this is serious. Ive had small pox when i was 15. Just really like a bad flu, i was always asleep. I sleep off the fever. When the pox was in the itchy period, i put on menthol ointment on it so i wont scratch it. They isolated me on the 2nd floor. It was 2 wks, when i came back to school, nobody believed i had small pox because i dont have any scars. Well the menthol ointment did the trick. One classmate visited me, because she said she already had this and wont have it again.
I think you probably had chicken pox, not small pox. The last recorded natural case of small pox was in 1977 in Somalia. Since then, the only cases of it happened after a lab accident. Small pox has been eradicated and is only kept in samples in labs.
It was definitely small pox. I never went to the doctor. We were living in some rural area in a mountaneous region. You get to be taken at the hospital if u are dying. I have been vaccinated on small pox when i was young, so when i had it when i was 15, i survived it. Those days vaccines are really good for people.
@@picklesdiaz if you didn't go to A doctor, how do you know it was small pox. Considering they record any and all cases if it, and these things are highly reported on. Especially as you talk about a class mate having it as well. If there were multiple cases in an area, this would have been picked up on and reported. There is probably no point arguing over this, as your gonna swear it was small pox, but I can almost guarantee it was chicken and not small. The two are very different, one mild (like how you describe), the other pretty deadly.
It was chicken pox or something similar. It most definitely was not Small Pox.
Don’t you mean chicken pox?