What's really sad is the little brother having to live in constant fear and probably feeling like his parents are choosing/protecting his older brother (who's the one doing the harm) over him.
His arm was broken before, and they preferred to let him suffer without medical treatment rather that let their other son get in trouble. If you're gonna choose to protect one over the other, for God's sake, choose the vulnerable one.
Yeah, know how the younger one feels, little brothers a bit abusive and I'm not allowed to defend or I would get in trouble. (I was told I was twice his size and wasn't allowed to pin him to stop him from freaking out and hitting me)
Met a child psychopath once in my medical career. The ER doctor touched his eyeball and the kid didn't even blink. He had tried to drown his younger brother in the bathtub and thought it was funny. Smiled the whole time. I was scared out of my mind.
Same, she had Michael Myers vibes. My mother also allowed abuse to happen and blame her suspected ADHD on why she didn't do anything about it. She has a test next year to see if she does actually have ADHD. I've been in therapy for years lol.
I'm so interested in this subject because when I was young I was in an awful environment and I was very angry but I never wanted to hurt people but I've seen other kids, boys, who are only emotionally neglected and show extreme signs of psychopathy early on. Something I've never and will never understand is the desire to hurt someone else. And because I was surrounded by mean hearted, abusive people, I definitely had thoughts of revenge in passing but even at the age of 6 I recognized that not everyone are not the people who hurt me and everyone deserves to be judged by their character. I don't believe, not for one second, that psychopaths are born. It's definitely a choice.
@@aurora8749sorry to break it down to ya but psychopaths are born that way, sociopaths are made. Some people are just born evil. That’s what’s scary, that true evil is real.
Met a boy like him once. He was charming, good looking, smart etc. Then you find out he put his infant half sister in the chest freezer and refused to tell his Dad and step mom where she was while they frantically looked for her. Yes, they found her quickly, by chance.
Maybe the step mom put her own baby in the freezer to blame it on the poor child. That’s why “they found” the baby safe “quickly”… You gotta always be careful the stories step mothers tell you about their step children.
I hate how people are like “He’s just a little boy!” when in fact BECAUSE he’s a little boy he should be immediately evaluated so that he can get to therapy. Same as when people dismiss bad behaviour because they’re still young, when they should be correcting it
If you’re not a mom, you don’t know how it is to live a child unconditionally. Mix that with domestic abuse and a distrust of other people like the father has… honestly, this family has no chance.
This is tragic, even the child knows he’s in danger but the parents refuse to see the evidence, and will likely have to bury a child in the future because of their own denial.
For everyone who thinks the parents reaction was unrealistic, I'd like to point you to the hoards of families who regularly go on TV and claim thier 5 times convicted violent felon of a son is just a good boy that made a little mistake. This issue is 100% real and parents like this deserve to lose their kids.
I think that last sentence is a little bit harsh. I'm betting it would be pretty hard for any parent to accept that your kid is a danger to you, himself, and everyone else around you.
@@premiumheadpats4150 if your kid is actively being violent, then it is 100% YOUR failure. They knew what he was doing, they let it happen anyway, it's either favouritism towards one child, or an unwillingness to deal with it because it would make them look bad to others. This EXACT mindset is why we now have an epidemic of mental illness, everyone just figured if they loved little Timmy more he would turn out ok, now we have entire hoards of young adults who think the appropriate response to someone disagreeing with you is extreme violence. Mentally sound people don't think that way.
@@premiumheadpats4150 Just because you pop out a kid doesn't mean you're qualified to raise them or deserve to raise them. If you're putting a child in danger for any reason then you should not be allowed around them.
He literally resembles a psychopath in every way. He did such a good job playing the part. It’s pretty terrifying. He showed no emotions when his brother got very critical and was moved to surgery.
you must be a world class, leading psychiatrist to be able to know the intricasies and subleties that is identifying Anti social personality disorder. So much so that you know that psychopathy is not a real diagnosis anymore huh. Or that they dont even present this way. What an honour.
@@2devilbati’m so tired of people demonizing cluster b personality disorders idk why i’m even reading the comments… i know the gist of what people will be saying it always makes me upset lol. people love claiming they know everything about the disorder and armchair diagnosing while still using outdated and insulting terminology and just going off of stereotypes and their own biases and not understanding (or refusing to understand) anything about any of this at all i don’t have aspd so i won’t pretend to know what that’s like but they’re a still people, most often people who have been through abuse and trauma. i’m glad at least one person here understands.
Either the parents are too blind to notice or are in denial about it. One day, they will take notice of what's really happening and will regret their decisions.
I think they do know on some level - at the start the dad was worried about Griffin “making it worse” by touching Bo’s hand, and the mother freaked out because she thought Griffin had done something to Bo. Maybe they are, indeed, in denial and trying to sweep it under the rug
I smell denial. It's more powerful than fentanyl and more addictive than heroin. The mothers of Ted Bundy and Jeffrey Dahmer bathed in denial, even when they knew something was very, very wrong with their sons. As Dr. Charles said: "The heart will not accept what the eye can see."
Unfortunately it might be too late…if he can hurt people like that and the parents just brush it off it might result in the death or almost death of someone to make them realize the truth
It’s a hard decision. It’s not easy. I’m not saying you’re wrong but having a child who is your own and having to separate him from the family is difficult.the regret comes later but in the moment you cannot comprehend such things.
I was diagnosed as a psychopath as a child, I felt no remorse for the things I did and no empathy for the people I hurt. I got therapy, that helped. What really helped was my parents not tolerating my behavior, I faced the consequences for my actions. Now, I'm still a psychopath, but I lead a happy life and am in a loving family; I just have to work hard to control my condition. I realized I should clarify a few things. 1. True 'psychopath ' is not an official diagnosis, the proper term is ASPD (antisocial personality disorder). But some people interpret that as 'you just don't like being around people', which isn't always correct and doesn't accurately explain the disorder. 2. When I say child, I was twelve (which is a child in my opinion) when my parents were told that I show the signs of ASPD, and was 16 when I officially got the label. But I've been seeing a therapist since I was 7.
So i understand that you comprehend empathy, but are technically incapable of feeling it. Now when you do something bad to someone, how does that make you feel?
As someone who wants to be a foster parent and may very well be placed with a child with your condition, do you have any advice other than discipline that is followed through? For example how important were physical, emotional, creative, or critical thinking outlets? I personally would like to put any 15+ child into EMT, police, or Firefighter cadets (I am at an EMT squad that has a cadet program) does that sound like a good or bad idea. *PS having an empathic EMT is important but I have noticed the least empathetic EMTs are the best in real horror show situations and you got less than 30 minutes to live situations.
It might be rude to ask and I guess many people would think this is innapropiate, but I can't help it: Can you feel even an ounce of love for your family? Or would you sacrifice your needs for their wellbeing, not because it would be the right thing, but because you truly feel it out of love? Feel free to not answer if I'm being rude
Because unfortunately there’s very little recourse for parents to take until the child is 18, at least in the US. My stepson threatened to kill me with a box cutter one night, so I called the cops and they took him for a psych evaluation. We were told the next morning that he was fine to come. Before that, I found him and my biological son, who was 4, in a situation where my son was laying face down on his bed with his pants pulled down, and my stepson hovering over him with his dick out. My stepson smirked at me and pulled his pants up without saying anything. Told his therapist who said that maybe he didn’t understand what he was doing…he was 14 at the time, pretty sure he knew. Again, nothing we can do. Thankfully he doesn’t live here anymore, he’s with my wife’s parents and isn’t welcome in this house unless I’m here. He’ll be 18 in a year and on his own, so just have to make it a year without him getting kicked out of their house.
@@oldboygamer9985Yup! We were told that the only way my sister could get long term care without us paying out of pocket was if she either killed someone or attempted to lol Uhhhh we were kind of hoping we could put her away BEFORE it escalated to that????
Some people think differently My family are open minded And know when’s something is the way it actually is. Not everyone would be smart about it unlike this family who won’t take actions for a safer life
I was diagnosed with ASPD or antisocial personality disorder when I was in elementary school. I didnt feel bad for things I did but I learned very quickly to say that I did. I ended up telling my family that I know there was something wrong with me in middle school and got therapy. Kind adults who taught me why I was different and how to lead a more successful and “normal” life was the greatest resource I was ever given.
@@creepy.cookie3187 not to make this a “race” thing but in a LOT of black families you’ve got a better chance at winning the lottery than getting a diagnoses for a mental health issue. Mental health literally doesn’t exist in our culture 🤦🏽♀️ You either get beaten or taken to church when something is off. Or both. Said all that to say I’m pretty sure I have ASPD and I tried talking to my mother about it and she literally brushed me off and told me to go read a book. I don’t feel empathy for anyone or anything but I’ve always been very good at faking it to benefit me. I’m one of the best liars or actresses I know because of that and I’ve always wanted to talk to a psychiatrist or something
House would have told them they have a little Jeff Dahmer or Ted Bundy on their hands, and if they don’t want their throat slit while they’re sleeping then they should let the boys in white take him away. The dad would want to punch him though. Lol.
This was my older brother. Nothing happened to him. I got him put in a holding cell over night when I was 14 and he’s was 16 after I locked myself in the bathroom so I could call the police after I was somehow able to stay conscious enough in between him suffocating me over and over to push him off and run. They let him out and I refused to go back home. I moved out after that. Years later he ended up married with kids. Both of his kids were in and out of the hospital. He was eventually arrested for child and spousal abuse. My father disowned him but my mother is still in denial and blames me. I have no feelings towards my older brother, but hate is too nice a word for how I feel towards my mother who turned a blind eye my entire life.
Often with Cluster B personality disorders which includes Psychopathy (ASPD) the roots are in early childhood relationships with the primary caregiver. Empathy usually develops at 2-3 years old as we mentally break away from our parents to become individuals. It's quite likely that your birth shifted his relationship with the mother resulting in ASPD traits. Add to that from the sounds of it her inability to reel him in then imo you are quite right to leave for the sake of your own peace. Your brothers behaviour will catch up with him eventually but not before he wrecks people along the way. I had a Malignant Narcissist boss and you almost don't believe people like that exist in society until you meet them.
Domestic violence comes in all shapes and sizes. It's not always the husband. Sometimes it's the wife. Or, in this case, sometimes it's one of the kids. Sibling abuse is real and is not something that should be over-looked. Period.
Tru dat. My oldest brother has anger issues, they used to be alot worse. when he was 15/16 after our dad left for good, he started hurting us aswell. We were always fighting as siblings, maybe it was always that bad, idk, I was still young, but he started looking after us all weekend while my mum worked. My oldest brother basically used to beat all of us up, and sometimes my other brother (only a year younger than my oldest brother) Had to step in, then they'd get into a huge fight. I just remember during every 'fight' screaming at the top of my lungs for them to stop, and hysterically crying, maybe I was dramatic, I was abt 8-10 during this time. I eventually started crying less tho during the fights, bc my mum called me a baby. My oldest brother even broke my other brothers collar bone once. It was really bad. (i had 3 brothers at the time, this was the younger brother, he was older than me tho. I was the youngest) My brother didnt stop after that tho. I remember one time my sister told the school counseller that my brother hits her (she had it worse) She didnt say it as in "hes abusing me" or anything, she just said it bc it was clearly something upsetting her. When my mum found out, she went ballistic, started tryna make my sister feel bad for saying it, saying that the social services were gonna take her away and none of us were gonna see her again (that wasn't the case, she was just tryna scare us.) As soon as I hit 10 years old, my oldest brother started hurting me aswell. I remember he grabbed my neck and slammed me against the wall once, I think that was the first time he properly hurt me. After that, it just became a normal thing. Ofc, my mum Continued to enable his behaviour and defend him, not protecting her kids, once again. It only stopped when he moved out. He was gone for a couple years, now he's moved back in, and he still has anger issues. The thing is, he's 21 now, and its only getting worse, yet nothings changing. Luckily he doesn't physically hurt us anymore, just shouts alot and is really aggressive. I get social anxiety around him. Id be lying if I said the stuff he did didnt effect me.
@@hello.6748 You need to protect yourself. You can call the police on him if he gets violent. The best thing you can do (when possible) is to get away from him.
I was being abused by my older sister emotionally until this past weekend where she physically assaulted me and threatened my children. I was living with her. Sibling abuse is real and it can get dangerous.
Kids aren't innocent little creatures. You'd be surprised what they can do. What the parents did was a huge mistake. He had clear signs of being a psychopath, but like the Doctor said. They were blind.
People tend to believe children are the epithome of innocence, but that can be a great mistake. Mild example: a friend of mine stole a Christmas ball from a shop, but fortunately the parents found out and got the child to return that and educated them on how stealing is wrong.
As a friend of someone with Anti-Social Personality Disorder (which is slightly different but can manifest in similar ways), intervention at a young age is a HUGE help. While my friend may not be able to feel empathy as well as most other people, him being taken to proper therapy as soon as the signs were there helped him so much. He's a pretty chill dude and you can tell he cares about people, just not in the same way most people do. Lack of empathy doesn't automatically mean someone is going to be a bad person, but either way, intervention at a young age is crucial to help a child with ASPD be able to function as an adult.
@@hannahscott6604actually that's incorrect. Per the dsm-5 people with ASPD have an empathy deficit. ASPD is a spectrum, with psychopathy at the far end. Someone with antisocial tendencies can still care about the ones close to them, therapy helps. They might not exhibit the same level of empathy as a "normal" person would, but most are not completely devoid of empathy.
You are friends with a covert narcissist that has you believing something that is pure toxin. Don't irresponsibly spread such nonsense as you are much more likely to victimize others than "help" your friend.
@@hannahscott6604I have that I been diagnosed and everything I have empathy well depends, but I don't always feel bad but sometimes I do , but my doctor diagnosed me and everything so yeah ,you can't say that ,are u a doctor went to school
It does. Power, prestige, and you get to play around with humans. There’s been plenty of doctor serial killers. I mean there’s a whole podcast dedicated to it
It could also be the interest. Studying medicine is like learning how people work as machines. It's like engineering, + humans. Psychopaths are often fascinated by humans and how they work. Hence manipulation is interesting to them. A doctor is a common profession for someome with antisocial traits. It also pays well, especially surgeons. With too much empathy, you become unable to cut and sting people, even if it's to help them. For me, I feel sick in a room full of anxious people. Being a doctor requires a level of being able to control your feelings - or not having such on the way.
As a parent of an adopted child with these antisocial traits from age 2+,I've begged for help for my son and gotten nothing. The system is beyond broken.
@@DoggyDoula There is no cure for people like us, as there is nothing broken. We just function differently. Not all psychopaths are inherently evil. But... in my Nemeton, these gray stone walls are cold and shallow. Everything is bland, boring, futile and a waste of time. I don't like drugs, alcohol, being sober, food, anything. They're all the same. So in such a world, what's there to do to alleviate the stale state of everything? Cause in order to change yourself, first there has to be a desire. And you can only desire what you can't have, something you crave, something that makes you look forward to do. - achieve - What do you even give to somebody that wants nothing? I am not saying the systems mearuses in regards to such issues are bad. I am entirely denying their existence. Their only purpose is labeling. And even that it cannot do properly.
@@2Fat2Furi0us as it is so it be 🤷♀️ I just can't live in constant fear of a 17 year old who wants to hurt his own siblings just to feel something. He doesn't want to understand why he is the way he is and I can't change that,but I don't have to allow him in my life either.
@@DoggyDoula You shouldn't allow him in your life then. I left home at 14 and had to fend for myself, that was 13 years and two days ago. On my 14th birthday. His attitude will change if he spends a few months on the street, trying to get enough sleep. Either that or get a restraining order for him, plan his eviction. If he has a drug habit, offer him a large sum for a person his age, to just leave. There's a lot less ethical things you can do. Always fight. And teach his siblings to do the same. If you are an easy target, you will be treaded as such. Once a sufficient amount of abuse has been dealt, you loose the will to react or even take steps to completely stop it. He might just be a dumb child, and not a psychopath. Regardless. We still do not understand the human brain. It will be a lost battle to attempt 'fixing' something we do not fully understand. So, take the easy approach, herd him towards a desired outcome.
@@DoggyDoula Also, you should understand that personally, I don't feel neither pleasure nor grief when inflicting pain on others. It's just a thing you can get on the habit of doing. Much like brushing your teeth. If he enjoys it, it might not be a psychopathic disorder you're looking at. Figure out which websites he's visiting, maybe you can find something he likes and chat to him about it. Or you know, think stuff through. You've got a few advantages as a young adult. Patience is one of those things.
I’m the mother of a son like this. When my oldest son became so terrified of his little brother and I had to start defending myself against abuse allegations I finally seen the light. I got my son my family the help we needed. Now my sons are grown and live normal lives
I love my kids, but my middle child started showing social/ mental issues. We started getting help. They are great now. Love means making the hard decision. They are willing to alow him hurting them. Not realizing he will hurt far more than them.
You have my respect and admiration for making a difficult decision and doing the right thing for your family. Too many parents just want to bury their heads in the sand and pretend it's not happening; that generally doesn't play out well, and also hurts the child who's having problems and desperately needs help.
That is exactly what you should have done but some people seem to think that getting help(either for yourself or someone close to you,like a child) is an “embarrassment to them” when in reality no one is going to look down on you for getting help,and if everyone was like you there wouldn’t be such a stigma on mental health….you did a great job for your child
Coming from a family that’s has a niece who is diagnosed as a psychopath, this is true. CPS can’t do anything unless my sister tells them to remove her from the home and she won’t do it. My niece has harmed everyone in the home, has tried to kill her 3 year old sister, and has set multiple fires because she wants too. She doesn’t understand empathy or guilt. She’s only 7. Edit: can people stop pretending to be doctors please and put done the google search. 1. She is getting help 2. She was diagnosed with psychopathy from multiple mental health specialists. But they used different wording. I just don’t remember what they said. They just gave me the break done of it. 3. Obviously if it’s my family with our doctors and it’s an ongoing issue we are covering it. Stop assuming nothing is getting done. 4. If you’re not a doctor in the realm of psychiatry, psychology, neuropsychology, then you don’t know wtf your talking about. So stop pretending. I mean it’s funny to see different responses, until it becomes insulting.
Hate to say, but whatever happens, your sister is responsible for. She can do something NOW, and simply doesn't want to. I hope the inaction is worth it in the end for her.
Ya that kid creeped me out from the second he talked. That's not how kids actually act, that's a kid acting like the grownups around him because he's mirroring and doesn't actually know how to act like a kid.
I saw the comment about what House would do, and we know it’d end with the mom crying hysterically, and the dad trying to punch House. Lol. But House would ultimately say, “Fine. Don’t listen to people smarter than you. Let little Jeff Dahmer or little Ted Bundy get you while you’re sleeping. Or worse, you live and your youngest doesn’t.” I can’t stand parents like this. Imagine knowing your child has murderous tendencies, and you take him home. There was an episode like this on Law & Order SVU, and the kid was taken away. Seasons later he came back as an adult and murdered everyone in him family except one person.
There was also one one regular Lwa and Order where this little girl killed a younger boy and acted like it was no big deal. Liz got her off and at the end the little girl was eyeing another victim. Wish they did a follow-up on that one.
When I was a foster parent, I had an 11 year old; his psychiatrist told me that there was no helping him, and that "the best we could hope for was that he'd get arrested before he kills too many people." He was removed from our home after he pulled a knife on one of our other kids. Scary!
I was disappointed in the writers for never doing a follow-up episode on this case. I wanted to see the long term impact of them not listening to the doctors and for allowing that child back in the house.
In my mind I like to think the parents secretly killed their psychopath son realizing there was no saving him. Then they buried him and moved away. At least that’s how I think it should’ve ended
If your kid abuses your other kid and you're more than aware of it but refuse to do anything about it, you should be convicted for that damage to that child on top of being convicted for gross child neglect.
My sister was and is like this. She tormented me from the time I was a baby. Three years older than me, my parents always coddled her. I just had to "go along" now that my parents are gone, I am finally rid of her. Don't want to ever see her again.
I hope it doesn’t have a long-lasting psychological affect on him later. Actors, even adults have stated when they have studied the person they are protesting, it affects their own personal life causing to struggle getting back to their own character and personality. Children actors have been affected with the same problem.
@@cynthiatucker2147You have a point. Vivian Leigh never recovered mentally from her role as Blanche in Streetcar Named Desire. She did have that tendency though.
It's sad how often this happens in real life too. I've heard stories of kids admitting to their parents how troubled their mind is and their parents doing the right thing and getting them to a hospital, but there are also parents who continue to keep their kid at home and then the kid ends up severely harming or even killing the sibling or other family member.
Let's not demonize ASPD like this, you meet people with it aaaall the time. Genuinely almost every day. And you don't even realise. It's really a shame to see popular daytime TV only showing ASPD like this and portraying it as/calling it psychopathy and dangerous, IN A CHILD no less. And having the main characters (=the moral compass of the show that the audience is meant to agree with) ALL claim the "right thing to do" would be to send a child away and treat him as a monster. There are no other portrayals of it in this show, this is the impression it leaves on the layman watching it. Kids with ASPD are treatable and all around you. Most live with their families, and end up leading perfectly good and normal lives.
There was a dr phill episode about this. A child wanted To SA their sibling and told the parents over and over and they didn’t do anything until finally it happened 😭
I understand that the parents love both of their kids, and don't want to lose them. But putting your kids' lives in danger for the sake of others is wrong. The kid is going to grow up in fear and believe his parents cared more about their dangerous sibling than them. Psychopath can change their behaviors and lead a normal life if they got the help they needed in time, but if their parents refuse to accept their kid's personality disorder they are going to get worse, especially those with violent behaviors.
PDs can NOT be fixed or helped in any way at all NONE Get away from them Get them away from you Stay away The entities are not even human Vast majority of abusers are PDs
Could you do it? I know this is TV, but I feel for those parents. They want to protect both of their kids. They likely just don’t know how or feel they have it under control.
@@BlueDauntless By putting the dangerous one in a facility they ARE protecting both kids. To think they get to keep both at home is quite literally the opposite, it's pure selfishness.
@@smithynoir9980 well obviously it's selfishness, it's wrong but understandable. I mean honestly if as a parent you would know that your child is labeled as a psychopath, most parents would deny it. The love of a parent for their child can be very blind, especially if that child is just 10 year old.
If I had the power to, I would 100% nominate the actor who played the psychopath kid for an Emmy. He absolutely nailed his role. Damn creeped me out too.
I'm not a parent so I can't even begin to comprehend how difficult this entire situation must be to everyone involved, but if one of my children was so scared of another of my children that he set off a heart monitor like it was about to explode while he was unconscious, some kind of drastic measure must be taken no matter how painful for the parents they have to do what's best for both their children.
Of course it’s easier said then done, but if you’re not able to make the right decision to protect you and your family then you failed as a parent🤷🏾♂️
I am a licenced psychologist and I can tell you that violence from one sibling against another - and in all possible forms - isn´t as uncommon as most people think. And it can start even at the age of 8 or 9 years old. Though the risk is higher to become abusive for children who suffered abuse themselves, it also occurs that a child turns violent against his toddler siblings even if there was no previous abuse.
Are you referring to ASPD specifically or violence in general? I just took my psychopathology final today and while we were taught that conduct disorder is common in children who develop ASPD later on, I don't think we were told how common violence is at that stage.
I once had a student like this. He was 11, and in a 20 year long career in Education, I've never seen a child like him again. It shows how rare this is.
This reminds me of an svu episode of a child that was also classified as a psychopath (and later returned in a later episode). Parents don’t want to accept that there’s something wrong with their children, or them being classified with a mental disorder, and will try to solve it or explain it in their own ways instead of actually dealing with the issue. You can’t just ignore the fact that your child is seriously hurting you and/or their siblings. There’s regular child traumas and then there’s serious, life threatening injuries. This is how people and families get killed; by not accepting or seeing the signs that are right in front of them.
Is the episode your talking about the one where the Older brother kept trying to basically kill his sister and mother but the mother kept babying him? During the near end of the episode he’s in an indoor playground and has taken a younger boy hostage? Is that the episode your talking about?
It should be noted that psychopathy in and of itself doesn't automatically mean that the person is going to end up a serial killer. In its broadest definition, a psychopath is someone who due to various causes, understands concepts like empathy, love and remorse, but is unable to properly feel them. This is what makes it far easier for them to fall into this downward spiral of violence and revenge. Though there is no treatment for psychopathy, if it is diagnosed early and fought accordingly, the affected child can then very well learn to understand the idea of consequences, so although it is more difficult, psychopaths can lead a pretty normal life without the need to descent into madness and violence. It's just that these people will be more out for themselves and will have less hesitation in taking more reckless risks in pursuit of their goals. That said, cases like this child here are very delicate and need to be approached with caution and patience. Having a psychopath manage their symptoms in the long term is nearly always a lifelong endeavour that requires commitment.
I recently heard a sociopath say in an interview that he learned "cognitive empathy" in group therapy while he was incarcerated. Basically, he was taught to think through "what is this person feeling, and what is the appropriate response?" Ultimately, his motivation is his son. He does love his son, and since he knows that his son has probably inherited his genetic tendency toward sociopathy, he has to try to nurture him as best as he can so that his son doesn't have to go through the same hardships. I heard another sociopath interviewed who had even more trouble relating to others (I'm no expert but I think he fell more into the psychopath category), so he was taught a system of morals that benefits him personally without harming others. When he relapses into antisocial behaviors, he's "putting chaos into the world," and that usually causes consequences for him. When he conforms to social norms, life is easier. With the therapy, he got to where he actually likes having friends and maintaining a relationship with his family.
Best comment, thank you for knowing the difference between psychopaths and serial killers. My boyfriend is psychopathic and he is amazing, like the best partner i ever had ♥
Exactly. I went to school with an individual who was a medically diagnosed psychopath. And while it isn't something she openly shared, it wasn't something she was ashamed of either. It was simply who she was. She didn't feel emotions the same way most people do, but she was intelligent and had been taught cause and effect and was very aware that other people had feelings.
Props to this kid. He's doing really good with this role and this portrayal of psychosis in kids. I'm honestly really shocked at how well he delivers his lines and how he makes even the audience squirm in their seats a little bit. Props to the young man, hope he does more in the future.
Psychosis and ASD (psychopathy) are different. The kid has signs of ASD. Now with psychosis, it's more like hallucinations, paranoia, delusions, etc. A lot of people with psychosis aren't a danger to themselves or others and some do have empathy. I'm someone who has symptoms of psychosis.
@@PaulaDautremontI feel anxious when touching my stained napkin because of my menstrual blood.That's why I don't want to enroll nursing in college.When I touch blood,my hands were shaking
"The heart will not accept what the eye can see." This is so true in other circumstances. I had so many RED FLAGS of my husband's affair before I discovered it. I should have reacted sooner, I should have checked his phone or computer; I would have found out in another way. I found out on Day One of my family's vacation.
That boy's audible, visual sniffing of the bloody button he retrieved from the heavily soiled hospital floor is ABSOLUTELY disturbing, concerning and totally CHILLING. Says the child: "I'm not scared," in a very innocent and tender, yet deceptive voice. Then he expresses his 'medical' interest in "the knives." Wow
“He’s only ten!” Every elementary teacher who has taught more than five years: “What’s your point?” Kids with no empathy are terrifying. A proper sociopathic kid will haunt you. I had one in first grade almost fifteen years ago. He’s out there somewhere as a young adult now. His family moved away before the school year ended but I think about him randomly.
Yeah, I imagine a lot of families that have such a child move a lot, staying a step ahead of expulsion or diversion to a special needs program, or for child services or law enforcement to get involved.
I suffered a tragic loss when my parents refused to acknowledge my younger sister's sociopathy,she became more and more abusive and violent and eventually destroyed herself with my father's enabling and died a terrible tragic death at 43.Denial can be so dangerous in cases like this.I will never get over losing my baby sister at first to mental illness and later to an early death.This clip is spot on about how much denial there is about this subject and its almost always too late before those responsible do anything about it.
Emmy for TV, but yeah! There was another episode that I think was also maybe Chicago Med where an older girl hurt her little brother and she was phenomenal too. There’s a scene with the actor playing the psychologist trying to engage with her as a treatment and the way she manipulated the situation was scary to watch, even knowing it was all acting!
@@piratesswoop725 I think the series you’re referring to was New Amsterdam… if it is, then I completely agree with you. That little girl was truly scary, she used the psychologists logic against him so she would get away with everything.
@@piratesswoop725 Who cares what the award is he can get a gold star and that episode you’re referring to with the little girl was from new Amsterdam. I agree, She did well too. Double gold stars ! 😂
The parents upset me the most, especially the mother’s naivety. She has a small child to protect and she’s standing there lying with a burn on her arm inflicted by her son.
There are parents who will stand by their psychopathic child even after theyve been convicted of the most horrendous crimes - it makes me feel physically sick that they put their precious child over the safety of others because they are living in deep denial of their precious little prince
But couldn’t DCFS remove the younger brother instead? He’s the most vulnerable one here and this event is enough proof that he’s not in a safe environment
Probably one of the most accurate depictions of what denial can look like of parents that refuse to acknowledge their child’s mental health problems, it’s not real but it’s still jarring because things like this do happen….
Okay, so the parents didn't consent to committing Griffin. I don't understand why DCFS didn't remove Bo from a clearly unsafe environment or why Chicago Med didn't report abuse to the police to force their hand.
CPS can open a case due to the childs injuries especially the unreported fracture and get a court order for the parents to have a psych evaluation on the child. The courts could them order treatment for the child or the removal of the other child that is in danger.
@@darreylhenderson702 CPS doesn't need the parents permission to remove a child from the home. If the parents refuse to remove the child that is a threat CPS will remove the child that is in danger.
Dr. Charles is one of the nicest and best man to be alive he is a great psychiatrist and is there to ensure the best health of his patients we need more psychiatrists like him.
I met a kid like this. I'm a tutor so I've met all kinds of kids and even parents. One kid that I was teaching was fine, never a problem, well mannered and behaved.... Until his little sister was born. It's common and normal for a kid to be jealous of a new sibling, but this kid took it to another level. At first we noticed minor behavioural changes, he got quiet. Then suddenly he flipped out. Over a a few weeks, he was hurting other kids at the school by pushing or hitting them. He would steal and break other students belongings, he would burst into other classrooms and create mayhem. He broke a couple of guitars, pushed over a very expensive keyboard, and punctured holes in walls using a pen. Screaming, yelling, swearing Very destructive. I couldn't believe what I was seeing. I couldn't handle it anymore and had him expelled from the school (should have from the first incident) and his parents were in denial that their son was doing this. Then we later learned that he was in fact harming their pet bird at home, rough with his baby sibling and very back chatty to his parents. Thankfully he was receiving therapy and was doing well. I often think about the kid and hope that I'll never have to see his name on a 'wanted' list.
I would love for them to do a follow up episode all these years later to show that either Griffin got help and is now doing better or that’s he never did and the doctors’ worst fears came true
Okay then not removing Griffith from the family isn't that abuse to the boy who is terrified and being hurt wouldn't they remove the little boy from the family CPS would do that wouldn't they I've been involved with CPS I mean they take children out of homes due to neglect and abuse this little boy is being abused by his brother and the parents aren't doing anything about it they would remove the boy from home
There's no concrete proof that the child is doing the abuse unless the victims admit it or someone else witnesses it. The whole family is denying anything happened
Not only covering up the older son's deeds, but blaming the younger child "you hurt YOURSELF pretty good"... I know their scared of their son, but to expose the younger boy without getting the older son help is deplorable. They have the choice to be around their older son without getting him help, but to allow the other son to be his REPEATED victim is insane.
This is exactly why I never was excited about turning 18. Everyone believes turning 18 is a big deal. No expects a kid to be a school shooter or a harm towards others for no other reason besides the kid being under 18. If you are 17, people don’t see you capable of harming others. If you are 18 or above then they consider the possibility that this person can cause harm. I don’t give children the benefiting of any doubt just because they are under 18 or elementary school children. There is a strong possibility that someone can be a harm towards others. That is why people often fail to detect school shooters or other type of kids who can cause harm: They don’t think a kid or a kid under 18 is capable of doing so; so they would turn a blind eye.
Doctor Charles seen it.. and clearly the young man is disturbed, parents are blind they don’t want to see it happening and needs serious series help before he do harm to his family and others.. very scary!
My older brother was a psychopath and my parents learned early on that he could not be left alone with myself or my sister and I have the scars to prove it…
Wow, good episode. Such a shame. At least they tried. As a Social Worker, I agree, sometimes the biggest problem is not the child but the parents who won't follow the recommendations of the Professionals, then most of the time they contact services when in crisis when they could have prevented it, and helped to create a stable home for their entire family...
Less than 5% of people that have mental issues show violent behavior, but obviously the overwhelming majority of people aren't. Because good amounts of doctors, scientist, and politicians show traits similar to psychopathy
@@PhysicallyAwake I've always thought unchecked ASPD could lead to criminal/deviant behavior later in life, I'm no phycologist so I'm a reference to use
I wish they'd done a part two to show the downfall of the parents choice to keep the child home. An episode where someone In the family is on the brink of death because of this boys actions.
Yeah, They did a follow-up episode like that on " law& order SVU" , about another sociopathic kid who got released at 18 and then started killing again.
Sometimes even if parents see it they don’t act on it because they fear being labeled bad parents. They also think that they can love their kid into being better. I have ASPD which as sociopathy and psychopathy under its umbrella. I was violent and hurt my sister severely on multiple occasions. My parents thought I would grow out of it. As I got older and without treatment my behavior got worse. I was ultimately forced into treat which helped but I was at the age where most of my personality defects were set.
@@toastedbread1362 Truthfully placing the child with ASPD to an in patient facility. Medication, therapy and corrective behavior conditioning the child can be reintroduced to the household. The family needs to be active participants in treatment to reinforce that the child is still loved.
@@holiheinrich2115 I still struggle with empathy but I’m no longer violent. All in all I’m better than when I was younger. Thank you for the well wishes
I’ve been the little sibling in this scenario. It doesn’t change. Even into adulthood. In the 90’s my parents were told that it was their fault and nobody would help them except to threaten to arrest them. My parents hands were tied. They tried to get him out of the house many different ways and no professionals would support them and they risked getting all their kids taken away and being sent to jail. It’s not something people understand unless you’ve lived it.
I can’t believe the parents they know full well he has issues and instead of thinking of the well being of their other son who’s clearly disturbed by just his presence alone and get him help they’d risk losing one or both of them by letting his issue go untreated
Its every parent’s job to protect their children, even from their other kids if they’ve proven they’re a danger. Letting something like that fester is only gonna lead to something exponentially worse and they’ll be forced to confront it. It’s crazy that psychopathy can develop at such an early age.
Makes me think about the 12 year old girl who stabbed her brother to death and threw the knife out the window. And when the police came to arrest her she fake cried and then stopped crying to ask them if she could pull up her pants. Then she turned the fake water works back on when she saw her mom and said she didn’t mean to do it. But once her mother got into the ambulance and left with her brother, she stopped crying and asked the police if she was going to be in “big trouble” because of what she did. It was bone chilling.
As someone who was trapped in a relationship with a female psychopath I can fully attest it won't end well. All her friends saw her as a fun spontaneous flirtatious woman. As her boyfriend I got to see the side addicted to stuff I can't say here. She was always getting in fights with her larger friend group I would have to patch up the wounds she made. She was expelled from school at 13 her mom took up drinking in order to cope with having her home. Both my ex and her grandmother are both pedophiles my ex was into young women her grandmother young boys... again I can't go into detail on here. She burned me on more than one occasion once with a lamp and other times with a a glue gun or whatever was convenient. I still remember getting a call from her mom because my gf was trying to assault her with a lava lamp. How did I end up in a relationship with her I was on the local college campus saw her across the cafeteria wearing cat ears thought it was cute so I asked her out it wasn't until I was heavily invested in our relationship the crazy came out. I realize now she was on a college campus despite not graduating from jr high in order to target someone like me with low self esteem and bad luck with women.
"Bad luck with women." I super believe that's a thing. Sometimes life hands us a bad hand over and over. However, if the pattern continues it bears examining the common denominator - you. Even if you do that and determine it really is bad luck, focusing on yourself might help you come up with ways to head off the worst and prep game plans to safeguard your own wellbeing if you find yourself in another situation down the road. Afterall, you cant control the hand you're dealt, but you can control your reactions. Just some 100% unsolicited advice from a "been there done that" seat. Just ignore it if you don't like it. Won't bother me.
My ex husband was twenty eight when we met during my first semester of college. I was eighteen. He was taking a history class across the way from one of mine and thats how we met. To this day he has no degrees. I have long believed he was only taking that class for predatory reasons, to seek a younger woman he can take advantage of and manipulate. He originally told me he was twenty two but when i came across his ID after intimacy when looking for my pants, i discovered that was a lie. That should have been my que to run away immediately but he played victim claiming he thought i wouldnt be interested in him if i knew his real age and he liked me so much he wanted me to like him. He turned out to be incredibly abusive and a psychopath. Unfortunately we share a child together. These people are out there destroying lives and theres little to no recourse for their victims. To this day, a decade later, he still stalks and harasses me by using his access to our kid. Its sick. College campuses should speak up about these people that go to school solely for predatory reasons. They could literally save countless lives. I had no idea what I was up against. He was so charming and manipulative.
I don't understand how this kind of symptom could happen to kids so young even infants it's terrible and even when he was right next to his little brother and just drawing his little brother's body knew he was in danger.
It's a psychopath. It's actually the easiest to spot the younger they are. Kids are innocent or a at least a symbol of innocent and when you have a children who goes against that you can see there is something wrong. From there it is just looking at how there are reacting to something. Like when the emergency alarm was going off he was sitting there drawing with a smile on his face. Or when the mom hand was burned he said she was clumsy so happy instead. He lacks that emotional connection to his own family which is a sign he has psychopathic tendencies.
there are six year olds that have done multiple murders. just like women serial killers, children who are serial killers could be very common but since no one likes to think of the possibility no one looked even when the evidence was in plain sight.
Coming from a family that’s has a niece who is diagnosed as a psychopath, this is true. CPS can’t do anything unless my sister tells them to remove her from the home and she won’t do it. My niece has harmed everyone in the home, has tried to kill her 3 year old sister, and has set multiple fires because she wants too. She doesn’t understand empathy or guilt. She’s only 7.
You would be surprised how many people you know suffer from the same thing. Its easy to adapt and hide it, you just have to learn to observe other people's reactions and mimic them. Not hard at all to fake it
One time my parents and my aunt and uncle left together to the store and left me with my older cousin. He locked me in a chest and laughed at me. I told him I was having trouble breathing and he continued to laugh. So, I calmed myself and went silent to scare him. He still didn't let me out. My parents came home and he then let me out saying that if I told them anything he would do worse next time. I told them what happened and I never saw him again. If you're waiting for a punchline, there isn't one.
I'm living with one now. Even when the parents see what he does, the mother is in denial. He's pushed his dad off the stairs. It won't be long when he goes after the mother. Hopefully I'll get find a new place to live when that happens
Letting that child see those things in that hospital was a huge mistake. To be that terrified I can't stand when parents are blind. The parents deserve everything that will come the innocent person these psychos hurt is another thing all together.
The acting is so spot on in this episode it’s unreal. What really stands out is Griffin being so certain in his superiority complex that he mistakenly presumes people to be dumb enough to buy an innocuous statement said with a smile following an unhinged comment like when he said he wanted to be doctor ‘for the knives’.
Here's the thing. I know the parents want to protect their psychopath child because he's their child, but their other child is in more danger, so they should be focusing on him first by making sure the psychopath can't get to him. This, in my opinion, is a situation where you unfortunately have to choose one child over the other for their safety.
As a kid growing up in the 90s I remember I encountered the kid just like Griffin he would do things and make it look like I was the one who did it until finally I spoke up and said what was really going on and it was satisfying seeing that kid get his ass kicked by his parents.
I watched this episode and that actor was on point. In my first year of teaching I had a student with multiple minor bruising on his arms, I was sympathetic and asked what happened, he said he fell down the stairs. Teachers are mandatory reporters if possible child abuse is suspected, to me it looked like pinch marks because each one had small crescent shapes from fingernails. I told the principal and counselor. Meeting with parents proved fruitless, “ the boys are playing too hard I guess”. The brother was 10 years older, 15 years old. When expressed concern about actions I had seen in the classroom like flinching when other kids brushed past, immediately giving in when involved in a minor conflict, and the look of defeat if brother picked up instead of parent… it made sense to me but parents didn’t see it… this episode brought it all back, in the case of my student the parents caught the older one abusing the younger one and he was removed from home… they moved so I never saw him again but I hope the entire family got the help that they all needed…
Can't imagine what it's like to have a psychopathic child. We would all like to think our child could do no wrong. But some parents has to accept that their child is more than capable of doing wrong.
An often overlooked piece of sadness in this episode is that Griffin can't help the way he is. He didn't choose to be born a Psychopath, he was born that way. He can no more help who he is then a lion can be blamed for being a predator. I agree he should be removed and monitored for the safety of others. But it makes it no less tragic.
I worked in a special care home ( dedicated to psychiatric) … youngest client , 16 year old teen boy. In care since he was 9. Paranoid schizophrenia, auditory and visual hallucinations. He was very artistic but , this is the clear visual of his mindset . When picture depict murd3r, torture…. Severe animal abuse while presenting as kind, courteous, highly intelligent and extremely antisocial. No cognitive behavioural therapies given at early stages of diagnosis. This resulted in - no self control, not able to de-escalate from high anxiety/stress/ . Emotional regulation can be nonexistent 😢 Cognitive behavioural therapies works but, needs time ( sometimes years ) of continual therapy ( starting as soon as possible ) once sociopathic behaviour has been identified. This video brought back some memories for sure . My heart goes out to any person who cares for a loved one who suffers from this condition . ❤
What's really sad is the little brother having to live in constant fear and probably feeling like his parents are choosing/protecting his older brother (who's the one doing the harm) over him.
His arm was broken before, and they preferred to let him suffer without medical treatment rather that let their other son get in trouble. If you're gonna choose to protect one over the other, for God's sake, choose the vulnerable one.
@@PandoraBear357 you'd really think so. I think my nostrils starting steaming with how angry those parents made me 😤😤😤
Scary
Yeah, know how the younger one feels, little brothers a bit abusive and I'm not allowed to defend or I would get in trouble. (I was told I was twice his size and wasn't allowed to pin him to stop him from freaking out and hitting me)
They ARE choosing the older brother over him.
The child actor who played the psychopath was fantastic! He nailed the subtleties of expression.
And his voice was perfect. Kind of reminds me of Nevel Pappermin from icarly lol
@@hayleydon8282 He reminds me of Tom Riddle before he became Voldemort.
y'all think its fake !
he's actually the head drum major at my school! he's really cool
I know! Even a real psychopath could not have done as good a job!
Met a child psychopath once in my medical career. The ER doctor touched his eyeball and the kid didn't even blink. He had tried to drown his younger brother in the bathtub and thought it was funny. Smiled the whole time. I was scared out of my mind.
The non blinking part. God I've met one. Chills
Same, she had Michael Myers vibes.
My mother also allowed abuse to happen and blame her suspected ADHD on why she didn't do anything about it. She has a test next year to see if she does actually have ADHD.
I've been in therapy for years lol.
@@85WrightADHD is an excuse for willful neglect/closing eyes to. 🙌🏽🫶🏽😻
I'm so interested in this subject because when I was young I was in an awful environment and I was very angry but I never wanted to hurt people but I've seen other kids, boys, who are only emotionally neglected and show extreme signs of psychopathy early on. Something I've never and will never understand is the desire to hurt someone else. And because I was surrounded by mean hearted, abusive people, I definitely had thoughts of revenge in passing but even at the age of 6 I recognized that not everyone are not the people who hurt me and everyone deserves to be judged by their character. I don't believe, not for one second, that psychopaths are born. It's definitely a choice.
@@aurora8749sorry to break it down to ya but psychopaths are born that way, sociopaths are made. Some people are just born evil. That’s what’s scary, that true evil is real.
Met a boy like him once. He was charming, good looking, smart etc. Then you find out he put his infant half sister in the chest freezer and refused to tell his Dad and step mom where she was while they frantically looked for her. Yes, they found her quickly, by chance.
Sociopaths gotta be careful but don't fear. They fear no remorse or don't care for their actions like psychopaths
@@aliezahjuarez1212 Nope, that is not the distinction.
If the parents didn't get rid of him and get him mental help, they're just as messed up as he is
@@aliezahjuarez1212 sociopaths are emotional
Maybe the step mom put her own baby in the freezer to blame it on the poor child. That’s why “they found” the baby safe “quickly”… You gotta always be careful the stories step mothers tell you about their step children.
I hate how people are like “He’s just a little boy!” when in fact BECAUSE he’s a little boy he should be immediately evaluated so that he can get to therapy. Same as when people dismiss bad behaviour because they’re still young, when they should be correcting it
It's just a phase.
He'll grow out of it. ...
@@bluecollarlitnah
@@poixses_ i agree with you. I just typed that in because it's what so many irresponsible parents say. I meant it as irony.
@@bluecollarlitthey don't grow out of it
@@kinglubu767 my comment was meant to be irony.
The mom knew something was up. Her reaction spoke volumes.
She was scared of him - or, at least, of what he does
@@valerierodger why didn't she just... Eliminate the problem in red?
Yet she refuses to do anything about it at the end of the episode
She was the one taking up for him...... She's just as much of a problem as the boy if not more
If you’re not a mom, you don’t know how it is to live a child unconditionally. Mix that with domestic abuse and a distrust of other people like the father has… honestly, this family has no chance.
This is tragic, even the child knows he’s in danger but the parents refuse to see the evidence, and will likely have to bury a child in the future because of their own denial.
So tragic! Griffin is like Damien from ‘The Omen.’
And they won't even be able to deny their guilt for this.
I’ve seen the end of the episode they cps take the psychopath child from the home
@@jillcrato1680 ever seen The Good Son??
@@booklover6403 No they don't, why lie?
For everyone who thinks the parents reaction was unrealistic, I'd like to point you to the hoards of families who regularly go on TV and claim thier 5 times convicted violent felon of a son is just a good boy that made a little mistake. This issue is 100% real and parents like this deserve to lose their kids.
Couldn't agree more
Hordes
I think that last sentence is a little bit harsh. I'm betting it would be pretty hard for any parent to accept that your kid is a danger to you, himself, and everyone else around you.
@@premiumheadpats4150 if your kid is actively being violent, then it is 100% YOUR failure. They knew what he was doing, they let it happen anyway, it's either favouritism towards one child, or an unwillingness to deal with it because it would make them look bad to others. This EXACT mindset is why we now have an epidemic of mental illness, everyone just figured if they loved little Timmy more he would turn out ok, now we have entire hoards of young adults who think the appropriate response to someone disagreeing with you is extreme violence. Mentally sound people don't think that way.
@@premiumheadpats4150 Just because you pop out a kid doesn't mean you're qualified to raise them or deserve to raise them. If you're putting a child in danger for any reason then you should not be allowed around them.
He literally resembles a psychopath in every way. He did such a good job playing the part. It’s pretty terrifying. He showed no emotions when his brother got very critical and was moved to surgery.
Yea pretty easy for an actor to do when it's not actually his brother or a hospital...😂
worst part is once he'd mature, he'd most likely become very good at mimicing and fake caring behavior and whatnot.
@@kinagrill he'll probably get so good at it hekk just live a normal life like a normal person.....
you must be a world class, leading psychiatrist to be able to know the intricasies and subleties that is identifying Anti social personality disorder. So much so that you know that psychopathy is not a real diagnosis anymore huh. Or that they dont even present this way. What an honour.
@@2devilbati’m so tired of people demonizing cluster b personality disorders idk why i’m even reading the comments… i know the gist of what people will be saying it always makes me upset lol. people love claiming they know everything about the disorder and armchair diagnosing while still using outdated and insulting terminology and just going off of stereotypes and their own biases and not understanding (or refusing to understand) anything about any of this at all i don’t have aspd so i won’t pretend to know what that’s like but they’re a still people, most often people who have been through abuse and trauma. i’m glad at least one person here understands.
Either the parents are too blind to notice or are in denial about it. One day, they will take notice of what's really happening and will regret their decisions.
I think they do know on some level - at the start the dad was worried about Griffin “making it worse” by touching Bo’s hand, and the mother freaked out because she thought Griffin had done something to Bo. Maybe they are, indeed, in denial and trying to sweep it under the rug
I smell denial. It's more powerful than fentanyl and more addictive than heroin. The mothers of Ted Bundy and Jeffrey Dahmer bathed in denial, even when they knew something was very, very wrong with their sons. As Dr. Charles said: "The heart will not accept what the eye can see."
Unfortunately it might be too late…if he can hurt people like that and the parents just brush it off it might result in the death or almost death of someone to make them realize the truth
Well, New Amsterdam did something similar soooooo... yeah
It’s a hard decision. It’s not easy. I’m not saying you’re wrong but having a child who is your own and having to separate him from the family is difficult.the regret comes later but in the moment you cannot comprehend such things.
I was diagnosed as a psychopath as a child, I felt no remorse for the things I did and no empathy for the people I hurt. I got therapy, that helped. What really helped was my parents not tolerating my behavior, I faced the consequences for my actions. Now, I'm still a psychopath, but I lead a happy life and am in a loving family; I just have to work hard to control my condition.
I realized I should clarify a few things. 1. True 'psychopath ' is not an official diagnosis, the proper term is ASPD (antisocial personality disorder). But some people interpret that as 'you just don't like being around people', which isn't always correct and doesn't accurately explain the disorder. 2. When I say child, I was twelve (which is a child in my opinion) when my parents were told that I show the signs of ASPD, and was 16 when I officially got the label. But I've been seeing a therapist since I was 7.
Interesting
So i understand that you comprehend empathy, but are technically incapable of feeling it. Now when you do something bad to someone, how does that make you feel?
As someone who wants to be a foster parent and may very well be placed with a child with your condition, do you have any advice other than discipline that is followed through? For example how important were physical, emotional, creative, or critical thinking outlets? I personally would like to put any 15+ child into EMT, police, or Firefighter cadets (I am at an EMT squad that has a cadet program) does that sound like a good or bad idea.
*PS having an empathic EMT is important but I have noticed the least empathetic EMTs are the best in real horror show situations and you got less than 30 minutes to live situations.
It might be rude to ask and I guess many people would think this is innapropiate, but I can't help it: Can you feel even an ounce of love for your family? Or would you sacrifice your needs for their wellbeing, not because it would be the right thing, but because you truly feel it out of love? Feel free to not answer if I'm being rude
Thank you for sharing, hopefully it'll help make "psychopath" less scary and more understood by others! I'm glad you're doing well.
I don’t understand how this isn’t considered child neglect when the parents are aware of the dangers this kid poses to everyone.
Because most sadly have been brainwashed to believe that all kids are harmless and innocent.
Because unfortunately there’s very little recourse for parents to take until the child is 18, at least in the US. My stepson threatened to kill me with a box cutter one night, so I called the cops and they took him for a psych evaluation. We were told the next morning that he was fine to come. Before that, I found him and my biological son, who was 4, in a situation where my son was laying face down on his bed with his pants pulled down, and my stepson hovering over him with his dick out. My stepson smirked at me and pulled his pants up without saying anything. Told his therapist who said that maybe he didn’t understand what he was doing…he was 14 at the time, pretty sure he knew. Again, nothing we can do. Thankfully he doesn’t live here anymore, he’s with my wife’s parents and isn’t welcome in this house unless I’m here. He’ll be 18 in a year and on his own, so just have to make it a year without him getting kicked out of their house.
@@oldboygamer9985Yup! We were told that the only way my sister could get long term care without us paying out of pocket was if she either killed someone or attempted to lol Uhhhh we were kind of hoping we could put her away BEFORE it escalated to that????
That part! Like because you know or they know what he can do
Some people think differently
My family are open minded
And know when’s something is the way it actually is.
Not everyone would be smart about it unlike this family who won’t take actions for a safer life
it's truly scary to think that there are children out there that are psychopathic and considered dangerous
The brain is a complex thing - a slight misalignment of the neurons, a bad mix of hormones and other naturally-occurring chemicals...
I was diagnosed with ASPD or antisocial personality disorder when I was in elementary school. I didnt feel bad for things I did but I learned very quickly to say that I did. I ended up telling my family that I know there was something wrong with me in middle school and got therapy. Kind adults who taught me why I was different and how to lead a more successful and “normal” life was the greatest resource I was ever given.
@@creepy.cookie3187 thanks for sharing that was really insightful
@@creepy.cookie3187 not to make this a “race” thing but in a LOT of black families you’ve got a better chance at winning the lottery than getting a diagnoses for a mental health issue. Mental health literally doesn’t exist in our culture 🤦🏽♀️
You either get beaten or taken to church when something is off. Or both.
Said all that to say I’m pretty sure I have ASPD and I tried talking to my mother about it and she literally brushed me off and told me to go read a book. I don’t feel empathy for anyone or anything but I’ve always been very good at faking it to benefit me. I’m one of the best liars or actresses I know because of that and I’ve always wanted to talk to a psychiatrist or something
Yeah and some of them grow up and become part of society.
The actor who plays this kid gave off a good performance of being creepy.
How do you think House would handle this kid?
Better then these guys
@@lennarthagen3638 Think he'd have caught on sooner?
He'd have caught it pretty fast lol
House would have told them they have a little Jeff Dahmer or Ted Bundy on their hands, and if they don’t want their throat slit while they’re sleeping then they should let the boys in white take him away. The dad would want to punch him though. Lol.
@@queenla227 I am actually picturing House saying that right now in his sarcastic voice lol.
This was my older brother. Nothing happened to him. I got him put in a holding cell over night when I was 14 and he’s was 16 after I locked myself in the bathroom so I could call the police after I was somehow able to stay conscious enough in between him suffocating me over and over to push him off and run. They let him out and I refused to go back home. I moved out after that. Years later he ended up married with kids. Both of his kids were in and out of the hospital. He was eventually arrested for child and spousal abuse. My father disowned him but my mother is still in denial and blames me. I have no feelings towards my older brother, but hate is too nice a word for how I feel towards my mother who turned a blind eye my entire life.
I hear you about the feelings towards your mom. They are supposed to protect us.
Often with Cluster B personality disorders which includes Psychopathy (ASPD) the roots are in early childhood relationships with the primary caregiver.
Empathy usually develops at 2-3 years old as we mentally break away from our parents to become individuals. It's quite likely that your birth shifted his relationship with the mother resulting in ASPD traits.
Add to that from the sounds of it her inability to reel him in then imo you are quite right to leave for the sake of your own peace. Your brothers behaviour will catch up with him eventually but not before he wrecks people along the way.
I had a Malignant Narcissist boss and you almost don't believe people like that exist in society until you meet them.
You deserved so much better.
@@kanothe187 some people are just born that way regardless of good rearing.
@@gufredd9675Well, she did that with her other son. You'll never know what your parents feel until you become one.
Domestic violence comes in all shapes and sizes. It's not always the husband. Sometimes it's the wife. Or, in this case, sometimes it's one of the kids. Sibling abuse is real and is not something that should be over-looked. Period.
Tru dat. My oldest brother has anger issues, they used to be alot worse. when he was 15/16 after our dad left for good, he started hurting us aswell. We were always fighting as siblings, maybe it was always that bad, idk, I was still young, but he started looking after us all weekend while my mum worked. My oldest brother basically used to beat all of us up, and sometimes my other brother (only a year younger than my oldest brother)
Had to step in, then they'd get into a huge fight. I just remember during every 'fight' screaming at the top of my lungs for them to stop, and hysterically crying, maybe I was dramatic, I was abt 8-10 during this time. I eventually started crying less tho during the fights, bc my mum called me a baby.
My oldest brother even broke my other brothers collar bone once. It was really bad. (i had 3 brothers at the time, this was the younger brother, he was older than me tho. I was the youngest)
My brother didnt stop after that tho. I remember one time my sister told the school counseller that my brother hits her (she had it worse)
She didnt say it as in "hes abusing me" or anything, she just said it bc it was clearly something upsetting her. When my mum found out, she went ballistic, started tryna make my sister feel bad for saying it, saying that the social services were gonna take her away and none of us were gonna see her again (that wasn't the case, she was just tryna scare us.)
As soon as I hit 10 years old, my oldest brother started hurting me aswell. I remember he grabbed my neck and slammed me against the wall once, I think that was the first time he properly hurt me. After that, it just became a normal thing. Ofc, my mum Continued to enable his behaviour and defend him, not protecting her kids, once again.
It only stopped when he moved out. He was gone for a couple years, now he's moved back in, and he still has anger issues. The thing is, he's 21 now, and its only getting worse, yet nothings changing. Luckily he doesn't physically hurt us anymore, just shouts alot and is really aggressive.
I get social anxiety around him.
Id be lying if I said the stuff he did didnt effect me.
Im sorry for writing this whole paragraph, happy new years
@@hello.6748 You need to protect yourself. You can call the police on him if he gets violent. The best thing you can do (when possible) is to get away from him.
I was being abused by my older sister emotionally until this past weekend where she physically assaulted me and threatened my children. I was living with her. Sibling abuse is real and it can get dangerous.
@@Slawwww_ oh my god are you safe
Kids aren't innocent little creatures. You'd be surprised what they can do. What the parents did was a huge mistake. He had clear signs of being a psychopath, but like the Doctor said. They were blind.
Some children are born by the devil
People tend to believe children are the epithome of innocence, but that can be a great mistake.
Mild example: a friend of mine stole a Christmas ball from a shop, but fortunately the parents found out and got the child to return that and educated them on how stealing is wrong.
@@aliezahjuarez1212 YES
@Cricket Hop THAT TOO
@Cricket Hop of course that too
As a friend of someone with Anti-Social Personality Disorder (which is slightly different but can manifest in similar ways), intervention at a young age is a HUGE help. While my friend may not be able to feel empathy as well as most other people, him being taken to proper therapy as soon as the signs were there helped him so much. He's a pretty chill dude and you can tell he cares about people, just not in the same way most people do. Lack of empathy doesn't automatically mean someone is going to be a bad person, but either way, intervention at a young age is crucial to help a child with ASPD be able to function as an adult.
Nooooo you can’t have empathy and have ASPD. people who have this don’t feel any empathy at all
@@hannahscott6604actually that's incorrect. Per the dsm-5 people with ASPD have an empathy deficit. ASPD is a spectrum, with psychopathy at the far end. Someone with antisocial tendencies can still care about the ones close to them, therapy helps. They might not exhibit the same level of empathy as a "normal" person would, but most are not completely devoid of empathy.
You are friends with a covert narcissist that has you believing something that is pure toxin. Don't irresponsibly spread such nonsense as you are much more likely to victimize others than "help" your friend.
ASPD is the diagnosis. Psychopathy is more of a legal term
@@hannahscott6604I have that I been diagnosed and everything I have empathy well depends, but I don't always feel bad but sometimes I do , but my doctor diagnosed me and everything so yeah ,you can't say that ,are u a doctor went to school
"I want to be a doctor". As someone who has been through medical school, this is a very true statement.
@@ee-mv3es it doesn't make any sense 💀
@@natashamerlinesarcasm is my only guess 😂😂😂 and bad English and use of phrasing the joke
It does. Power, prestige, and you get to play around with humans. There’s been plenty of doctor serial killers. I mean there’s a whole podcast dedicated to it
It could also be the interest. Studying medicine is like learning how people work as machines. It's like engineering, + humans. Psychopaths are often fascinated by humans and how they work. Hence manipulation is interesting to them. A doctor is a common profession for someome with antisocial traits. It also pays well, especially surgeons.
With too much empathy, you become unable to cut and sting people, even if it's to help them.
For me, I feel sick in a room full of anxious people. Being a doctor requires a level of being able to control your feelings - or not having such on the way.
When you have someone like that who wants to be able to have virtually unlimited access to their victims, you have a problem.
As a parent of an adopted child with these antisocial traits from age 2+,I've begged for help for my son and gotten nothing. The system is beyond broken.
Edit: as seen today in our court hearing,hes going to beat this and get zero punishment. 🤦♀️
@@DoggyDoula There is no cure for people like us, as there is nothing broken. We just function differently.
Not all psychopaths are inherently evil. But... in my Nemeton, these gray stone walls are cold and shallow.
Everything is bland, boring, futile and a waste of time.
I don't like drugs, alcohol, being sober, food, anything. They're all the same.
So in such a world, what's there to do to alleviate the stale state of everything?
Cause in order to change yourself, first there has to be a desire. And you can only desire what you can't have, something you crave, something that makes you look forward to do. - achieve -
What do you even give to somebody that wants nothing?
I am not saying the systems mearuses in regards to such issues are bad. I am entirely denying their existence. Their only purpose is labeling. And even that it cannot do properly.
@@2Fat2Furi0us as it is so it be 🤷♀️
I just can't live in constant fear of a 17 year old who wants to hurt his own siblings just to feel something. He doesn't want to understand why he is the way he is and I can't change that,but I don't have to allow him in my life either.
@@DoggyDoula You shouldn't allow him in your life then. I left home at 14 and had to fend for myself, that was 13 years and two days ago. On my 14th birthday. His attitude will change if he spends a few months on the street, trying to get enough sleep. Either that or get a restraining order for him, plan his eviction. If he has a drug habit, offer him a large sum for a person his age, to just leave.
There's a lot less ethical things you can do.
Always fight. And teach his siblings to do the same. If you are an easy target, you will be treaded as such.
Once a sufficient amount of abuse has been dealt, you loose the will to react or even take steps to completely stop it.
He might just be a dumb child, and not a psychopath. Regardless. We still do not understand the human brain. It will be a lost battle to attempt 'fixing' something we do not fully understand.
So, take the easy approach, herd him towards a desired outcome.
@@DoggyDoula Also, you should understand that personally, I don't feel neither pleasure nor grief when inflicting pain on others. It's just a thing you can get on the habit of doing. Much like brushing your teeth. If he enjoys it, it might not be a psychopathic disorder you're looking at.
Figure out which websites he's visiting, maybe you can find something he likes and chat to him about it. Or you know, think stuff through.
You've got a few advantages as a young adult. Patience is one of those things.
I’m the mother of a son like this. When my oldest son became so terrified of his little brother and I had to start defending myself against abuse allegations I finally seen the light. I got my son my family the help we needed. Now my sons are grown and live normal lives
Algorithm.
Ai is smart
Did your youngest act different as a baby compared to your oldest?
@@LynLuu-sl1sc????
I love my kids, but my middle child started showing social/ mental issues. We started getting help. They are great now. Love means making the hard decision. They are willing to alow him hurting them. Not realizing he will hurt far more than them.
was the hard decision euthanasia
What a good Mama 💕 most would turn a blind eye to save themselves the “embarrassment” of getting help. Idk you but i know you’re a great mother
You have my respect and admiration for making a difficult decision and doing the right thing for your family. Too many parents just want to bury their heads in the sand and pretend it's not happening; that generally doesn't play out well, and also hurts the child who's having problems and desperately needs help.
That is exactly what you should have done but some people seem to think that getting help(either for yourself or someone close to you,like a child) is an “embarrassment to them” when in reality no one is going to look down on you for getting help,and if everyone was like you there wouldn’t be such a stigma on mental health….you did a great job for your child
With the world u can’t help them
Coming from a family that’s has a niece who is diagnosed as a psychopath, this is true. CPS can’t do anything unless my sister tells them to remove her from the home and she won’t do it. My niece has harmed everyone in the home, has tried to kill her 3 year old sister, and has set multiple fires because she wants too. She doesn’t understand empathy or guilt. She’s only 7.
Edit: can people stop pretending to be doctors please and put done the google search.
1. She is getting help
2. She was diagnosed with psychopathy from multiple mental health specialists. But they used different wording. I just don’t remember what they said. They just gave me the break done of it.
3. Obviously if it’s my family with our doctors and it’s an ongoing issue we are covering it. Stop assuming nothing is getting done.
4. If you’re not a doctor in the realm of psychiatry, psychology, neuropsychology, then you don’t know wtf your talking about. So stop pretending. I mean it’s funny to see different responses, until it becomes insulting.
Hate to say, but whatever happens, your sister is responsible for. She can do something NOW, and simply doesn't want to. I hope the inaction is worth it in the end for her.
Diagnosed as a psychopath? That term was put to bed long ago. Sociopath. Pay attention.
I can only pray for your family. that the girl has gotten the help she needs and she is well taken care of. God bless🙏 ❤
@@G00NIE it's actually antisocial personality disorder now
@@G00NIE psychopathy
Ya that kid creeped me out from the second he talked. That's not how kids actually act, that's a kid acting like the grownups around him because he's mirroring and doesn't actually know how to act like a kid.
Forget not knowing how to act like a kid. Autistic children, as I was, don't know that either.
I saw the comment about what House would do, and we know it’d end with the mom crying hysterically, and the dad trying to punch House. Lol. But House would ultimately say, “Fine. Don’t listen to people smarter than you. Let little Jeff Dahmer or little Ted Bundy get you while you’re sleeping. Or worse, you live and your youngest doesn’t.” I can’t stand parents like this. Imagine knowing your child has murderous tendencies, and you take him home.
There was an episode like this on Law & Order SVU, and the kid was taken away. Seasons later he came back as an adult and murdered everyone in him family except one person.
I completely read that in House’s voice.
You must mean Born Psychopath, I love that episode and it’s sequel
There was also one one regular Lwa and Order where this little girl killed a younger boy and acted like it was no big deal. Liz got her off and at the end the little girl was eyeing another victim. Wish they did a follow-up on that one.
What episode and series
and he only didn't kill the sister because she wasn't home!! im so glad they revisited that episode
When he closed that curtain and the alarms went off, whew 😥 I was so scared for his helpless little brother!
This child actor nailed the disassociated lack of affect with fained empathy in the presence of others.... very well. I hope he's not a method actor .
When I was a foster parent, I had an 11 year old; his psychiatrist told me that there was no helping him, and that "the best we could hope for was that he'd get arrested before he kills too many people." He was removed from our home after he pulled a knife on one of our other kids. Scary!
Do you know what happened to him?
@@NH-tb2sm no. I googled him for years with no results. Hopefully that doctor was wrong and he changed.
That's awful, giving up on a kid like that. There are things to be done and I hope he was put in a safe facility.
So scary! Hope he is locked up. Glad you tried to help him though.
@@ladyfoxwf1075 it’s not her job to tolerate and try to help someone she’s not qualified to help.
I was disappointed in the writers for never doing a follow-up episode on this case. I wanted to see the long term impact of them not listening to the doctors and for allowing that child back in the house.
Me too. It could still happen if the show is renewed again.
Wrong show for that. Try NCIS or something for the follow up.
@@saoirse_fliesyeah NCIS is really good for follow up shows. So is cpd sometimes based on the story line.
In my mind I like to think the parents secretly killed their psychopath son realizing there was no saving him. Then they buried him and moved away. At least that’s how I think it should’ve ended
@@nave712Or he killed them.
If your kid abuses your other kid and you're more than aware of it but refuse to do anything about it, you should be convicted for that damage to that child on top of being convicted for gross child neglect.
My sister was and is like this. She tormented me from the time I was a baby. Three years older than me, my parents always coddled her. I just had to "go along" now that my parents are gone, I am finally rid of her. Don't want to ever see her again.
They’re not doing their kids any favors. One won’t be able to function in regular society and the other will live in constant fear
the acting skills of this boy are amazing...he gives me chills
I hope it doesn’t have a long-lasting psychological affect on him later. Actors, even adults have stated when they have studied the person they are protesting, it affects their own personal life causing to struggle getting back to their own character and personality. Children actors have been affected with the same problem.
he is still the kid other kids would beat up - that fake smile
@@cynthiatucker2147You have a point. Vivian Leigh never recovered mentally from her role as Blanche in Streetcar Named Desire. She did have that tendency though.
Why did the writers make this controversial and aggravating story?
@@vincenzodemora9274 are you glorifying violence?
It's sad how often this happens in real life too. I've heard stories of kids admitting to their parents how troubled their mind is and their parents doing the right thing and getting them to a hospital, but there are also parents who continue to keep their kid at home and then the kid ends up severely harming or even killing the sibling or other family member.
Let's not demonize ASPD like this, you meet people with it aaaall the time. Genuinely almost every day. And you don't even realise. It's really a shame to see popular daytime TV only showing ASPD like this and portraying it as/calling it psychopathy and dangerous, IN A CHILD no less. And having the main characters (=the moral compass of the show that the audience is meant to agree with) ALL claim the "right thing to do" would be to send a child away and treat him as a monster. There are no other portrayals of it in this show, this is the impression it leaves on the layman watching it.
Kids with ASPD are treatable and all around you. Most live with their families, and end up leading perfectly good and normal lives.
There was a dr phill episode about this. A child wanted
To SA their sibling and told the parents over and over and they didn’t do anything until finally it happened 😭
Mommy's clumsy. That kid is a good actor, very chilling.
I understand that the parents love both of their kids, and don't want to lose them. But putting your kids' lives in danger for the sake of others is wrong. The kid is going to grow up in fear and believe his parents cared more about their dangerous sibling than them. Psychopath can change their behaviors and lead a normal life if they got the help they needed in time, but if their parents refuse to accept their kid's personality disorder they are going to get worse, especially those with violent behaviors.
I’m sure Jesus can take that away too alongside therapy.
PDs can NOT be fixed or helped in any way at all
NONE
Get away from them
Get them away from you
Stay away
The entities are not even human
Vast majority of abusers are PDs
Could you do it? I know this is TV, but I feel for those parents. They want to protect both of their kids. They likely just don’t know how or feel they have it under control.
@@BlueDauntless By putting the dangerous one in a facility they ARE protecting both kids. To think they get to keep both at home is quite literally the opposite, it's pure selfishness.
@@smithynoir9980 well obviously it's selfishness, it's wrong but understandable. I mean honestly if as a parent you would know that your child is labeled as a psychopath, most parents would deny it. The love of a parent for their child can be very blind, especially if that child is just 10 year old.
Griffin: "The knives." Dr Charles: "What?" Griffin: "To help people."
Goku: Uh… is that a red flag?
Piccolo: Crimson!
If I had the power to, I would 100% nominate the actor who played the psychopath kid for an Emmy. He absolutely nailed his role. Damn creeped me out too.
Fr when he said he wants to be a doctor because of the knives😭bro
I'm not a parent so I can't even begin to comprehend how difficult this entire situation must be to everyone involved, but if one of my children was so scared of another of my children that he set off a heart monitor like it was about to explode while he was unconscious, some kind of drastic measure must be taken no matter how painful for the parents they have to do what's best for both their children.
Easier said than done!
Of course it’s easier said then done, but if you’re not able to make the right decision to protect you and your family then you failed as a parent🤷🏾♂️
I am a licenced psychologist and I can tell you that violence from one sibling against another - and in all possible forms - isn´t as uncommon as most people think. And it can start even at the age of 8 or 9 years old. Though the risk is higher to become abusive for children who suffered abuse themselves, it also occurs that a child turns violent against his toddler siblings even if there was no previous abuse.
Fracturing is differner😊
Are you referring to ASPD specifically or violence in general? I just took my psychopathology final today and while we were taught that conduct disorder is common in children who develop ASPD later on, I don't think we were told how common violence is at that stage.
A form of jealousy because he’s not getting all the attention as before his younger brother was born.
I disagree!! housewife PhD
Psychologists are just therapists. (And bad ones at that)You’re not a medical doctor, that’s for psychiatrists
I once had a student like this. He was 11, and in a 20 year long career in Education, I've never seen a child like him again. It shows how rare this is.
This reminds me of an svu episode of a child that was also classified as a psychopath (and later returned in a later episode). Parents don’t want to accept that there’s something wrong with their children, or them being classified with a mental disorder, and will try to solve it or explain it in their own ways instead of actually dealing with the issue. You can’t just ignore the fact that your child is seriously hurting you and/or their siblings. There’s regular child traumas and then there’s serious, life threatening injuries. This is how people and families get killed; by not accepting or seeing the signs that are right in front of them.
Is the episode your talking about the one where the Older brother kept trying to basically kill his sister and mother but the mother kept babying him? During the near end of the episode he’s in an indoor playground and has taken a younger boy hostage? Is that the episode your talking about?
@@melanievanbuskirk9436 I believe it's the one. It
sounds right.
Yes that’s the one. It depicted a psychopathic child really well and what happens when you don’t get treatment or help.
Great show ngl
Those episodes was so good
It should be noted that psychopathy in and of itself doesn't automatically mean that the person is going to end up a serial killer. In its broadest definition, a psychopath is someone who due to various causes, understands concepts like empathy, love and remorse, but is unable to properly feel them. This is what makes it far easier for them to fall into this downward spiral of violence and revenge.
Though there is no treatment for psychopathy, if it is diagnosed early and fought accordingly, the affected child can then very well learn to understand the idea of consequences, so although it is more difficult, psychopaths can lead a pretty normal life without the need to descent into madness and violence. It's just that these people will be more out for themselves and will have less hesitation in taking more reckless risks in pursuit of their goals.
That said, cases like this child here are very delicate and need to be approached with caution and patience. Having a psychopath manage their symptoms in the long term is nearly always a lifelong endeavour that requires commitment.
I appreciate your open response to this
I recently heard a sociopath say in an interview that he learned "cognitive empathy" in group therapy while he was incarcerated. Basically, he was taught to think through "what is this person feeling, and what is the appropriate response?" Ultimately, his motivation is his son. He does love his son, and since he knows that his son has probably inherited his genetic tendency toward sociopathy, he has to try to nurture him as best as he can so that his son doesn't have to go through the same hardships. I heard another sociopath interviewed who had even more trouble relating to others (I'm no expert but I think he fell more into the psychopath category), so he was taught a system of morals that benefits him personally without harming others. When he relapses into antisocial behaviors, he's "putting chaos into the world," and that usually causes consequences for him. When he conforms to social norms, life is easier. With the therapy, he got to where he actually likes having friends and maintaining a relationship with his family.
Best comment, thank you for knowing the difference between psychopaths and serial killers. My boyfriend is psychopathic and he is amazing, like the best partner i ever had ♥
Exactly. I went to school with an individual who was a medically diagnosed psychopath. And while it isn't something she openly shared, it wasn't something she was ashamed of either. It was simply who she was. She didn't feel emotions the same way most people do, but she was intelligent and had been taught cause and effect and was very aware that other people had feelings.
Psychopaths are disproportionate amongst surgeons. They aren't necessarily bad people.
Props to this kid. He's doing really good with this role and this portrayal of psychosis in kids. I'm honestly really shocked at how well he delivers his lines and how he makes even the audience squirm in their seats a little bit. Props to the young man, hope he does more in the future.
Psychosis and ASD (psychopathy) are different. The kid has signs of ASD. Now with psychosis, it's more like hallucinations, paranoia, delusions, etc. A lot of people with psychosis aren't a danger to themselves or others and some do have empathy. I'm someone who has symptoms of psychosis.
@@trinitylivingston1286 ASPD not ASD (Anti-social personality disordee vs austim spectrum disorder
Even fake blood can freak a kid out. This kid has a great future as an actor.
This isn’t psychosis it’s psychopathy
@@PaulaDautremontI feel anxious when touching my stained napkin because of my menstrual blood.That's why I don't want to enroll nursing in college.When I touch blood,my hands were shaking
"The heart will not accept what the eye can see." This is so true in other circumstances. I had so many RED FLAGS of my husband's affair before I discovered it. I should have reacted sooner, I should have checked his phone or computer; I would have found out in another way. I found out on Day One of my family's vacation.
That boy's audible, visual sniffing of the bloody button he retrieved from the heavily soiled hospital floor is ABSOLUTELY disturbing, concerning and totally CHILLING.
Says the child: "I'm not scared," in a very innocent and tender, yet deceptive voice. Then he expresses his 'medical' interest in "the knives."
Wow
“He’s only ten!”
Every elementary teacher who has taught more than five years: “What’s your point?”
Kids with no empathy are terrifying. A proper sociopathic kid will haunt you. I had one in first grade almost fifteen years ago. He’s out there somewhere as a young adult now. His family moved away before the school year ended but I think about him randomly.
Yeah, I imagine a lot of families that have such a child move a lot, staying a step ahead of expulsion or diversion to a special needs program, or for child services or law enforcement to get involved.
@@kentvesser9484 Pretty sure they were just drug mules and moved a lot anyway.
I worry about a couple as well.
I suffered a tragic loss when my parents refused to acknowledge my younger sister's sociopathy,she became more and more abusive and violent and eventually destroyed herself with my father's enabling and died a terrible tragic death at 43.Denial can be so dangerous in cases like this.I will never get over losing my baby sister at first to mental illness and later to an early death.This clip is spot on about how much denial there is about this subject and its almost always too late before those responsible do anything about it.
Give that kid an Oscar! I’m convinced he’s crazy. 😅
Emmy for TV, but yeah! There was another episode that I think was also maybe Chicago Med where an older girl hurt her little brother and she was phenomenal too. There’s a scene with the actor playing the psychologist trying to engage with her as a treatment and the way she manipulated the situation was scary to watch, even knowing it was all acting!
@@piratesswoop725 I think the series you’re referring to was New Amsterdam… if it is, then I completely agree with you. That little girl was truly scary, she used the psychologists logic against him so she would get away with everything.
@@piratesswoop725 Who cares what the award is he can get a gold star and that episode you’re referring to with the little girl was from new Amsterdam. I agree, She did well too. Double gold stars ! 😂
You shouldn't say crazy though- that's really offensive
He reminds me of kid Voldemort.
The parents upset me the most, especially the mother’s naivety. She has a small child to protect and she’s standing there lying with a burn on her arm inflicted by her son.
There are parents who will stand by their psychopathic child even after theyve been convicted of the most horrendous crimes - it makes me feel physically sick that they put their precious child over the safety of others because they are living in deep denial of their precious little prince
The child actor did a great job, his acting gave me goosebumps
But couldn’t DCFS remove the younger brother instead? He’s the most vulnerable one here and this event is enough proof that he’s not in a safe environment
Couldn't DCFS remove the other kid? He's in danger and the parents are being negligent in protecting him from it
They recommended the child be removed from the home, but the parents refused, so nothing was done.
Can we talk about what a great actor that little boy is? He portrays a crazy person so well.
“To help people” loolll
"The knives..." haunts me every day since I've watched this episode
Probably one of the most accurate depictions of what denial can look like of parents that refuse to acknowledge their child’s mental health problems, it’s not real but it’s still jarring because things like this do happen….
Kid fr just sniffed the blood like it was fine wine
stop talking aboutv kids like this they are not crazy they are sick
stop making comments like this about other people id rather be around dogs they are loving
@@katiecurrie9709 hi hello did you know that this kid is an actor 🤩 and this is a tv show 🤩🤩
@@tastetheengene8491just stop making these horrible comments about children I broke down in tears after reading it
When you find a young child with such charisma, beware.....
Okay, so the parents didn't consent to committing Griffin. I don't understand why DCFS didn't remove Bo from a clearly unsafe environment or why Chicago Med didn't report abuse to the police to force their hand.
CPS can open a case due to the childs injuries especially the unreported fracture and get a court order for the parents to have a psych evaluation on the child. The courts could them order treatment for the child or the removal of the other child that is in danger.
CPS did recommend that the child removed from the home, but the parents refused, so nothing was done
@@darreylhenderson702 CPS doesn't need the parents permission to remove a child from the home. If the parents refuse to remove the child that is a threat CPS will remove the child that is in danger.
Dr. Charles is one of the nicest and best man to be alive he is a great psychiatrist and is there to ensure the best health of his patients we need more psychiatrists like him.
I met a kid like this. I'm a tutor so I've met all kinds of kids and even parents.
One kid that I was teaching was fine, never a problem, well mannered and behaved.... Until his little sister was born.
It's common and normal for a kid to be jealous of a new sibling, but this kid took it to another level. At first we noticed minor behavioural changes, he got quiet. Then suddenly he flipped out. Over a a few weeks, he was hurting other kids at the school by pushing or hitting them. He would steal and break other students belongings, he would burst into other classrooms and create mayhem. He broke a couple of guitars, pushed over a very expensive keyboard, and punctured holes in walls using a pen. Screaming, yelling, swearing Very destructive. I couldn't believe what I was seeing. I couldn't handle it anymore and had him expelled from the school (should have from the first incident) and his parents were in denial that their son was doing this.
Then we later learned that he was in fact harming their pet bird at home, rough with his baby sibling and very back chatty to his parents.
Thankfully he was receiving therapy and was doing well. I often think about the kid and hope that I'll never have to see his name on a 'wanted' list.
To many parents are in denial when they have a monster
Look at all the shootings for starters
The heart will not accept what the eye can see.... powerful
I would love for them to do a follow up episode all these years later to show that either Griffin got help and is now doing better or that’s he never did and the doctors’ worst fears came true
They did something like that on " law& order SVU" in which a sociopathic kid got released and ended up killing again.
Yes they so should do a update
Okay then not removing Griffith from the family isn't that abuse to the boy who is terrified and being hurt wouldn't they remove the little boy from the family CPS would do that wouldn't they I've been involved with CPS I mean they take children out of homes due to neglect and abuse this little boy is being abused by his brother and the parents aren't doing anything about it they would remove the boy from home
There's no concrete proof that the child is doing the abuse unless the victims admit it or someone else witnesses it. The whole family is denying anything happened
Not only covering up the older son's deeds, but blaming the younger child "you hurt YOURSELF pretty good"...
I know their scared of their son, but to expose the younger boy without getting the older son help is deplorable. They have the choice to be around their older son without getting him help, but to allow the other son to be his REPEATED victim is insane.
This is exactly why I never was excited about turning 18. Everyone believes turning 18 is a big deal. No expects a kid to be a school shooter or a harm towards others for no other reason besides the kid being under 18. If you are 17, people don’t see you capable of harming others. If you are 18 or above then they consider the possibility that this person can cause harm. I don’t give children the benefiting of any doubt just because they are under 18 or elementary school children. There is a strong possibility that someone can be a harm towards others. That is why people often fail to detect school shooters or other type of kids who can cause harm: They don’t think a kid or a kid under 18 is capable of doing so; so they would turn a blind eye.
I'm just gonna say it! This kid's acting is on point!
Bravo to that young actor he gave me chills
I don’t understand why they didn’t kill him
Lose one child or lose them both, tough decision but ultimately as a parent you're suppose to protect them, even from themselves
Doctor Charles seen it.. and clearly the young man is disturbed, parents are blind they don’t want to see it happening and needs serious series help before he do harm to his family and others.. very scary!
My older brother was a psychopath and my parents learned early on that he could not be left alone with myself or my sister and I have the scars to prove it…
Wow, good episode. Such a shame. At least they tried. As a Social Worker, I agree, sometimes the biggest problem is not the child but the parents who won't follow the recommendations of the Professionals, then most of the time they contact services when in crisis when they could have prevented it, and helped to create a stable home for their entire family...
As someone with ASPD please realize not all of us are to this extreme. But that doesnt mean that there arent cases so much worse than this
Less than 5% of people that have mental issues show violent behavior, but obviously the overwhelming majority of people aren't. Because good amounts of doctors, scientist, and politicians show traits similar to psychopathy
Thank you for sharing
I’d also like to point out that having ASPD does not equate to m psychotic killer.
Most famously known serial killers did not have ASPD.
@@PhysicallyAwake I've always thought unchecked ASPD could lead to criminal/deviant behavior later in life, I'm no phycologist so I'm a reference to use
Yeah I had a former friend who I wondered if she had this
I wish they'd done a part two to show the downfall of the parents choice to keep the child home. An episode where someone In the family is on the brink of death because of this boys actions.
@Hello there, how are you doing this blessed day?
Yeah, They did a follow-up episode like that on " law& order SVU" , about another sociopathic kid who got released at 18 and then started killing again.
Sometimes even if parents see it they don’t act on it because they fear being labeled bad parents. They also think that they can love their kid into being better. I have ASPD which as sociopathy and psychopathy under its umbrella. I was violent and hurt my sister severely on multiple occasions. My parents thought I would grow out of it. As I got older and without treatment my behavior got worse. I was ultimately forced into treat which helped but I was at the age where most of my personality defects were set.
If this was a case in real life, would the parents have an alternative intervention other than out right removing the kid?
hope you doing better❤
@@toastedbread1362 Truthfully placing the child with ASPD to an in patient facility. Medication, therapy and corrective behavior conditioning the child can be reintroduced to the household. The family needs to be active participants in treatment to reinforce that the child is still loved.
@@holiheinrich2115 I still struggle with empathy but I’m no longer violent. All in all I’m better than when I was younger. Thank you for the well wishes
I’ve been the little sibling in this scenario. It doesn’t change. Even into adulthood. In the 90’s my parents were told that it was their fault and nobody would help them except to threaten to arrest them. My parents hands were tied. They tried to get him out of the house many different ways and no professionals would support them and they risked getting all their kids taken away and being sent to jail. It’s not something people understand unless you’ve lived it.
Mad praise to that kid actor! Whether that is realistic behaviour or not, he plays the role he was given to perfection!
I can’t believe the parents they know full well he has issues and instead of thinking of the well being of their other son who’s clearly disturbed by just his presence alone and get him help they’d risk losing one or both of them by letting his issue go untreated
Its every parent’s job to protect their children, even from their other kids if they’ve proven they’re a danger. Letting something like that fester is only gonna lead to something exponentially worse and they’ll be forced to confront it. It’s crazy that psychopathy can develop at such an early age.
It is a condition ppl are born with. Socialpaths are developed, psychopaths are born
That's why having kids should be a privilege and not a right. Not everyone deserves to be a parent.
Makes me think about the 12 year old girl who stabbed her brother to death and threw the knife out the window. And when the police came to arrest her she fake cried and then stopped crying to ask them if she could pull up her pants. Then she turned the fake water works back on when she saw her mom and said she didn’t mean to do it. But once her mother got into the ambulance and left with her brother, she stopped crying and asked the police if she was going to be in “big trouble” because of what she did. It was bone chilling.
I get it that they don't want to be parted from their Griffin but they are so stupid in endangering their youngest son. How stupid can they get?
Grew up in the suburbs and and I’ve seen parents defend their kids no matter how wrong they are.
My brother who was older then me by 5 years was like this. I barely made it out of childhood alive. But the scars, the scars never heal. NEVER.
Sad really!...no parent wants to believe that their own kid is a psychopath.
Unless their a psychopath.
Then they could kill people together.
As someone who was trapped in a relationship with a female psychopath I can fully attest it won't end well. All her friends saw her as a fun spontaneous flirtatious woman. As her boyfriend I got to see the side addicted to stuff I can't say here. She was always getting in fights with her larger friend group I would have to patch up the wounds she made. She was expelled from school at 13 her mom took up drinking in order to cope with having her home. Both my ex and her grandmother are both pedophiles my ex was into young women her grandmother young boys... again I can't go into detail on here. She burned me on more than one occasion once with a lamp and other times with a a glue gun or whatever was convenient. I still remember getting a call from her mom because my gf was trying to assault her with a lava lamp. How did I end up in a relationship with her I was on the local college campus saw her across the cafeteria wearing cat ears thought it was cute so I asked her out it wasn't until I was heavily invested in our relationship the crazy came out. I realize now she was on a college campus despite not graduating from jr high in order to target someone like me with low self esteem and bad luck with women.
Damn.
I am so sorry that you went through that. I hope you have gotten totally away from her and have healed and have a wonderful life now.
I hope you’ve got a way it’s a very tough situation to be in, and escape however we may wish it it, it’s not always possible
"Bad luck with women." I super believe that's a thing. Sometimes life hands us a bad hand over and over. However, if the pattern continues it bears examining the common denominator - you. Even if you do that and determine it really is bad luck, focusing on yourself might help you come up with ways to head off the worst and prep game plans to safeguard your own wellbeing if you find yourself in another situation down the road. Afterall, you cant control the hand you're dealt, but you can control your reactions.
Just some 100% unsolicited advice from a "been there done that" seat. Just ignore it if you don't like it. Won't bother me.
My ex husband was twenty eight when we met during my first semester of college. I was eighteen. He was taking a history class across the way from one of mine and thats how we met. To this day he has no degrees. I have long believed he was only taking that class for predatory reasons, to seek a younger woman he can take advantage of and manipulate. He originally told me he was twenty two but when i came across his ID after intimacy when looking for my pants, i discovered that was a lie. That should have been my que to run away immediately but he played victim claiming he thought i wouldnt be interested in him if i knew his real age and he liked me so much he wanted me to like him. He turned out to be incredibly abusive and a psychopath. Unfortunately we share a child together. These people are out there destroying lives and theres little to no recourse for their victims. To this day, a decade later, he still stalks and harasses me by using his access to our kid. Its sick. College campuses should speak up about these people that go to school solely for predatory reasons. They could literally save countless lives. I had no idea what I was up against. He was so charming and manipulative.
That boys acting is phenomenal, better than most adults I see.
I don't understand how this kind of symptom could happen to kids so young even infants it's terrible and even when he was right next to his little brother and just drawing his little brother's body knew he was in danger.
It's a psychopath. It's actually the easiest to spot the younger they are. Kids are innocent or a at least a symbol of innocent and when you have a children who goes against that you can see there is something wrong. From there it is just looking at how there are reacting to something. Like when the emergency alarm was going off he was sitting there drawing with a smile on his face. Or when the mom hand was burned he said she was clumsy so happy instead. He lacks that emotional connection to his own family which is a sign he has psychopathic tendencies.
there are six year olds that have done multiple murders. just like women serial killers, children who are serial killers could be very common but since no one likes to think of the possibility no one looked even when the evidence was in plain sight.
You're born with it in many cases. The frontal lobe doesn't develop properly during pregnancy and this is a result of that
Coming from a family that’s has a niece who is diagnosed as a psychopath, this is true. CPS can’t do anything unless my sister tells them to remove her from the home and she won’t do it. My niece has harmed everyone in the home, has tried to kill her 3 year old sister, and has set multiple fires because she wants too. She doesn’t understand empathy or guilt. She’s only 7.
You would be surprised how many people you know suffer from the same thing. Its easy to adapt and hide it, you just have to learn to observe other people's reactions and mimic them. Not hard at all to fake it
I'd definitely be more concerned about this circumstance if the boy was my kid.
One time my parents and my aunt and uncle left together to the store and left me with my older cousin. He locked me in a chest and laughed at me. I told him I was having trouble breathing and he continued to laugh. So, I calmed myself and went silent to scare him. He still didn't let me out. My parents came home and he then let me out saying that if I told them anything he would do worse next time. I told them what happened and I never saw him again. If you're waiting for a punchline, there isn't one.
Thank God it was taking care of. I glad you were saved from anything else horrible happening to you!! 💙
I'm living with one now. Even when the parents see what he does, the mother is in denial. He's pushed his dad off the stairs. It won't be long when he goes after the mother.
Hopefully I'll get find a new place to live when that happens
I’m so sorry. I know if someone too. I can’t imagine living with someone like that. I hope you can get out of there soon.
Letting that child see those things in that hospital was a huge mistake. To be that terrified I can't stand when parents are blind. The parents deserve everything that will come the innocent person these psychos hurt is another thing all together.
The acting is so spot on in this episode it’s unreal. What really stands out is Griffin being so certain in his superiority complex that he mistakenly presumes people to be dumb enough to buy an innocuous statement said with a smile following an unhinged comment like when he said he wanted to be doctor ‘for the knives’.
Here's the thing. I know the parents want to protect their psychopath child because he's their child, but their other child is in more danger, so they should be focusing on him first by making sure the psychopath can't get to him. This, in my opinion, is a situation where you unfortunately have to choose one child over the other for their safety.
As a kid growing up in the 90s I remember I encountered the kid just like Griffin he would do things and make it look like I was the one who did it until finally I spoke up and said what was really going on and it was satisfying seeing that kid get his ass kicked by his parents.
Wow
I watched this episode and that actor was on point. In my first year of teaching I had a student with multiple minor bruising on his arms, I was sympathetic and asked what happened, he said he fell down the stairs. Teachers are mandatory reporters if possible child abuse is suspected, to me it looked like pinch marks because each one had small crescent shapes from fingernails. I told the principal and counselor. Meeting with parents proved fruitless, “ the boys are playing too hard I guess”. The brother was 10 years older, 15 years old. When expressed concern about actions I had seen in the classroom like flinching when other kids brushed past, immediately giving in when involved in a minor conflict, and the look of defeat if brother picked up instead of parent… it made sense to me but parents didn’t see it… this episode brought it all back, in the case of my student the parents caught the older one abusing the younger one and he was removed from home… they moved so I never saw him again but I hope the entire family got the help that they all needed…
I've never heard of this show before, yet here I am at 4.30am binge watching clips for the last hour 😅
Watch the show it’s so good
Can't imagine what it's like to have a psychopathic child. We would all like to think our child could do no wrong. But some parents has to accept that their child is more than capable of doing wrong.
Some people don't know or they do know and ignore it
I think
An often overlooked piece of sadness in this episode is that Griffin can't help the way he is.
He didn't choose to be born a Psychopath, he was born that way. He can no more help who he is then a lion can be blamed for being a predator.
I agree he should be removed and monitored for the safety of others. But it makes it no less tragic.
Sociopaths are made. Unless it’s in the genes in this case. But sociopaths are usually made not born that way
I worked in a special care home ( dedicated to psychiatric) … youngest client , 16 year old teen boy. In care since he was 9. Paranoid schizophrenia, auditory and visual hallucinations.
He was very artistic but , this is the clear visual of his mindset . When picture depict murd3r, torture…. Severe animal abuse while presenting as kind, courteous, highly intelligent and extremely antisocial.
No cognitive behavioural therapies given at early stages of diagnosis. This resulted in - no self control, not able to de-escalate from high anxiety/stress/ . Emotional regulation can be nonexistent 😢
Cognitive behavioural therapies works but, needs time ( sometimes years ) of continual therapy ( starting as soon as possible ) once sociopathic behaviour has been identified.
This video brought back some memories for sure .
My heart goes out to any person who cares for a loved one who suffers from this condition . ❤