Cakewalk by Bandlab vs Studio One 2020
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- Опубліковано 9 лип 2024
- This video covers many areas of comparison between Presonus Studio One and Cakewalk by Bandlab
2:46 - Cakewalk by Bandlab The PROs
3:15 - Sound on Sound Recording
4:15 - Loop and Punch Regions
5:50 - Drum Maps
11:46 - Visual Preferences
13:20 - Studio One Appearance
16:10 - Cakewalk by Bandlab: The CONs
16:17 - Latency, Pops, and Clicks
16:53 - Drag and Drop
20:56 - Bus Flexibility
22:23 - Mixer layout
26:14 - Studio One: The PROs
26:40 - Recording Pre-Roll
27:35 - HUGE Stop, Undo, Rewind in a single action
29:00 - Macros
32:45 - Splitter
37:40 - Built-in FX and Instruments
40:20 - Presonus branded hardware and integration
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For me Cakewalk is just much simpler and more convenient than Studio One. I have made several attempts to switch from Cakewalk to Studio One.
And in the end, I stay at Cakewalk, continuing to discover new delights of working in this DAW 😁
And the reason is just the convenience of writing and processing music.
The current CakeWalk from Bandlab is Sonar Platinum five years ago in terms of functionality.
And it's not raw and not rigid )))
For myself, I made one conclusion: you need to become a pro in one program.
Learn all the subtleties in practice.
And jumping from one DAW to another is a lack of focus on creativity.
Bandlab is saying they have greatly improved Sonar Plat.
I'd be interested to know how they fund the changes, updates etc. Perhaps it's a little like Open Source? Blender is an amazing program.
I just started again after using Logic 5 decades ago and my son was using Logic 8/9/10 and moved to Studio One but I have no money to buy and Studio One prime is so crippled it's useless.
Here is the problem for any comparison of DAWs; it takes a year and a day to learn in any kind of depth the properties, possibilities and available controls and nuances of any DAW, in my case Cakewalk. For anyone now to say to me that I should convert to another DAW, and spend another year and a day learning this new DAW, I have to tell you that is not going to happen, especially when the differences between the two DAWs are very small and not at all consequential.
Absolutely right!
Roland hardware ?
Cakewalk is what we use for years. Recently through the purchase of new gear Studio One showed up on the studio DAW. I have not used SOne very much but our software engineer uses it regularly. He says Studio One has some workflow and features/short cuts that he loves. He says it's a better DAW for mixing??? But we force him to mix in Cakewalk because that's what we understand and can aide in the mix and any necessary edits. Jury is still out on the comparison in our studio.
Holy Cow, I've learned more in 10 minutes here than I have anywhere else! Thanks!
Lots of good info. Concisely executed. Well done! Thank you
Glad you enjoyed it!
This was EXTREMELY helpful!! Thank you! :)
Some rerasons to stay by CW:
- small dots before the clips- so one can see all the time, if the track is emty or ith has some recored stuff. The dots can notify you, if you leave even a single note somewhere in the track. In S1? Nothing. I never see witch track is empty ore empty after an event (clip).
- fast navigating to the beginning - end of file (ctrl+pgup or pgdn). In S1 is unable to jump to the end of the project. It's very useful too.
- In CW you can record over an old recording, and you will find two clips (rectangles) as result. They are ovelrlapping. You can edit or delete them separately. In S1? The new recording deletes the old, or the old and new will be merged. Why??
- In CW the recorded blocks end, as you stop. In S1 the event sizes will be quantized, rounded up to whole, 1/2, 1/4 etc. bars. In CW you can make 1 sec clips for example.
- In CW is simple to select a track with all of the content with 1 click
- No slide function in S1!!! Why?? I can simply make place for some new phrases by sliding all of selcted stuff. Not only with drag a drop with mouse (as in S1), but with the exact parametered slide menu (bars, ticks, seconds...)
- CW: SPACE stops playing and rewind to the starting position. CTRL+SPACE stops and not rewind. You can simply choose. In S1? Either, or... Very sad...
- CW is more CPU friendly, much more
- Event list view in CW. Very important! You can see the recorded data, and edit or delete them as you wish. I used it to find some accidentaly recorded pitch bend value and much more. You can filter to notes, controller data, sysx, patch change command, aftertouch and many more. Very useful!
I've only been using the the Studio One for a few weeks, but the listed functions are so important, that I go back to Cakewalk. I have a Faderport 16, this led me to try Studio One, but the lack of the listed options drives me back to CW.
S1 has many very good tricks and options, but... Sorry.
I am waiting for the new Cakewalk Sonar, I hope, it will be cheap, but not free. Quality can only be expected for money.
Great video. In addition to giving a good comparison, it was a good review of some Studio One features that I need to be more aware of and take better advantage of. Thank you.
I'm glad that this was useful to you. There are a TON of features in Studio One and I've barely scratched the surface. Not just with the features themselves, but even within every plugin, synth, shortcut, etc. I have a genuine love for technology and the progression of it in my business and personal life. I'm glad that my sharing here is benefitting others.
Thank you so much for your work on this. It's very comprehensive yet well presented and easy to understand for a newcomer like me!
CW being free makes a world of difference for someone who is starting out into music production . No need to spend the money just to get a full functional Daw when there is Cakewalk (Sonar Platinum) that’s a huge win for CW .
Absolutely. Doesn't hurt that it is very capable. Regardless of preferences, it doesn't always have to come down to money. A great place to start and if you learn the tool well, it can carry you through perfectly usable pro recordings as well.
You can actually pay $16.99 a month for Studio One 5
@@CrisCozy Yeah - if you go through Splice, it's Studio One as "rent to own" at that price. If you go through PreSonus Sphere, you can pay $14.95 and while you never "own" the product, that also gives you everything that they make now and whatever they add including S1, Notion, plugins (like the whole Fat Channel collection), loop libraries, sample libraries, collaboration cloud space, direct user-to-user sharing of project data, exclusive videos and training, and more. I like it this way and haven't even completely dug in. Which were you referring to?
@@BladesMusic Splice
I know about sphere And I want to own S1
Great video! Thank you for this comparrisson!
My pleasure! Glad you liked it.
Wow, these are amazing know-how. I think bandLAB should give you an award. It's a very nice video to be a user of Cakewalk after taking a break from music. Thank you.
This was so helpful to me. Thanks! :)
Awesome. Glad it was good for you!
What a cool video thanks for all the efforts sir :)
Glad you enjoyed it!
I love cakewalk.. when they release the new Sonar, it's going to amaze. One thing you can do with Cakewalk, that you can't do with any other DAW is creating tempo maps from an imported audio, set the project to follow that tempo map.. Sure, most can do this.. but only Cakewalk can do it in 3-4 steps for your entire audio track (or a selection of it).. first, trim the beginning and end, to eliminate the pre-post audio, isolate just the audio track. Select it, and grab and drop it on the Project ruler.. Done.. wait for the render, and look at the tempo map, it's all there.. no more grabing audio data and moving it, every measure or more. Why this is good.. Say you want to add new tracks to a live audio recording with variable tempo, or one that you don't know the tempo, and you want to overdub some new tracks. You import it, and do the 3 steps above.. and DONE, you're ready to overdub and nothing else to do.. It's all lined up.. No other DAW can do this in 3 steps. Cakewalk was one of the very first to implement ARA, this is why.
This was really useful!! thank you!! I watched it the whole way through!! Former sonar!! Went to pro tools!! now I'll be fully switched over to studio one!!
I never used ProTools, but I've seen enough videos on it to know that it isn't something I'd probably like. Studio One is #1 for me - Cakewalk is second - just not sure how close a second!
It's the mixing pasr of S1 that seems to make the difference for most people and i can totally understand that and feel the same way. Thanks for the video.
Mixing, yes, but for me things like the small productivity items like drag and drop, the intuitiveness of most of the functions, things like the ability to create and use macros are very driving forces for my preference.. having the fully integrated hardware like the faderport 8 and the console 1 (yes, I know this one integrates with some other DAWs like cakewalk) are definitely plusses for making the whole recording experience more fun and rewarding.
Love Cakewalk , easy to use !
You answered wantever I wanted, thx .
Awesome - glad I could help!
Also long time cakewalk user, found Studio One and have not looked back. I'll always have a soft spot for CW, but man S1 just blows it away IMHO
No doubt. I used Cakewalk products for at least 15 years and participate in the community to this day, though much more in the past. I still keep up with what Cakewalk is doing because they really do have a great product and had I not seen the stuff in Studio One, I'd likely still be using Cakewalk exclusively. There's no doubt that technology is NOT the predominant limiting factor. Now for that "talent plugin" I've been looking for...
I have a friend who advocated Sonar some time ago. I had been using Zoom hardware recorders and liked them. I never got fluent with Cakewalk but I was happy when the free version was released. I reconnected with my friend who was using Cakewalk but had mostly switched to Studio One. I was an audiophile and an electronics technician as well as musician but life got busy. I understand in principle what I want to do in Cakewalk but the interface is so rich it's overwhelming. Studio One has some good thinking and I like what I see, plus collaboration looks easier with their subscription. This video is extremely helpful. Things like the splitter can be largely done with sends, which emulates hardware. Presents seems less constrained by such thinking and more into flow. Version 6 has some sweet improvements. Cakewalk is being well maintained but it's not getting the kind of improvement as Studio One. Thanks!
Really good comparison.. I went through same transition at same time.
Thanks Kim. I probably have another video in me for just the comparison between the ProChannel in CW and the Fat Channel in Studio One.
Great info. I was a beta tester for Sonar Platinum and long time CW user. I also have S1 5. I look at Studio one as an improved version of cakewalk.
Hey Mike - sorry for the delay as I deal with my ailing computer! I tried to get on the beta for them, applying and all, but for whatever reason, I wasn't accepted - which I thought was a little odd since I participated so much in the forums and met in person at their Guitar Center tours each time a new version came out... Anyway - still really liking the change to Studio One, but have a soft spot for Cakewalk for some reason. Thanks for the comment.
@@BladesMusic Hey Blades music. Hope all is well. Same soft spot here lol. I still use CW reason being a lot of features S1 has /VCA fader and many others features I created the work arounds and saved them as templates years ago.That is what keeps my work flow efficient using CW.
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yeah I used CW for years too before CW home studio came out and after. I didn't want to learn a new DAW but got StOne2 free with something and ran into some issue using new plugins on my old CW. I was delighted the transition to Studio one was really easy, the shortcuts were really intuitive. I've been enjoying Studio One for years now and upgraded it. I just downloaded the free version of CW. really interesting comparison and insight into new areas for me thanks!
This is a good comparison. I have used cakewalk for decades. Just recently started to experiment with studio one. When you were talking about busses the one thing that Cakewalk has that is kind of like the busses in Studio One is patch points and aux tracks. if you want a buss next to your tracks then that is the way to go. In my opinion both DAW programs are really good. Would be hard to choose a favorite. DAW programs are like shoes. You got to choose the ones that are most comfortable and most features comes down to personal preference.
I remember seeing Cakewalk, Battery and Reason back in the 90’s at guitar center
Cakewalk would have been a "Twelve Tone" product then, since Roland didn't buy the majority share until 2008 and later Gibson in 2013 and now Bandlab in 2018. Still going strong and updated regularly. While I lean towards Studio One at this point, I still like the Cakewalk product and have used it recently to keep up, make videos, test their updates, etc. Thanks for watching and for the comment!
Merci beaucoup pour votre beau video. J'installe Studio One des demain! (Thanks for this. Very nice. I'l get Studio One. Sonar User.)
I started with CW and have stayed with it. I like the interface and it does what I need.
Took advantage of Studio One Holiday Season sale, and trying to make a slow switch from Sonar after using it faithfully for 10 years. The learning curve is kicking me in the butt, but hope to get through the process in the near future.
Let me know if there is something in particular you are having a hard time with in transition. I did it as well and it definitely gets easier.
Why is Studio One better than Cakewalk? It's easier?
@@Piet-fromN I recommend watching the video Cakewalk by Bandlab vs Studio One 2020 by Blades Music on UA-cam
I'm in the process of evaluating Studio One ( current cakewalk user ) - When you showed the drum setup in Studio One, I noticed you had tracks in the arranger/track view for each drum channel. I figured out how to get the channels in the mixer/console view (super easy in studio one) but for the life of me can't figure out how to get those same channels in the track view with a separate midi track like in Cakewalk. Possible? Would love to see a drum mapping video as well (although I've actually never set up my drum mapping in Cakewalk and need to do so - I use Superior Drumm 3)
Decided to go with Prosonus Pro 5 in with a Sphere subscription of one year. I also downloaded melodyne that comes with the package. All for $123 from Sweetwater. I just decide to download the symphony orchestra plugin. It includes beautiful choirs and strings, which I need. at no extra cost. What a deal!
I hope you enjoy it. The discount for the year going right now is definitely helpful. Make sure to take advantage of the extra training and if course the libraries and such. There is an overwhelming amount of stuff to learn and determine what you want to use.
Very good presentation. I am a Cakewalk user ( have been for many years). I think there's no question that Cakewalk is the best free DAW available. I can see the advantages of the Presonus DAW. But at this point it doesn't seem worth switching. I don't use a DAW professionally, so the speed benefits are not important to me. The improvement in latency is appealing, but by freezing tracks or saving my mix to a separate two track project and doing my overdubs there I can get around the problem. Again, I can afford to work slower.
Hey Charlese - I don't do this professionally either. I don't have a NEED to work faster, but I like to. In fact, there are a lot of facets I like to take SLOWER so that I can more enjoy the hobby (I labor over getting things "just right"), but I'd rather that I get to spend that time on things like being creative with the tool, trying out new mix options, plugins, synths, making more layers, etc rather than losing that time to technical difficulties, glitches, and inefficiencies. But as I said in the video and other comments here, I still like a lot of things about Cakewalk - so if you prefer it, awesome!
At the end of the day . It comes down to what DAW you are most comfortable with .
I think it's also not a bad idea to keep your eyes open and see what others are available. I think being so focused on Cakewalk for so long, I was blind to the rest of the landscape. Of course, I don't really want to spend endless amounts of my limited time on learning all of the DAWs out there, but I DO like having both Cakewalk and Studio One on this computer - it gives me perspective each on the other one. Even making this video was a bit of a learning experience for me as I made sure I was demoing things right. Thanks for the comment!
@@BladesMusic good point you made . Thanks for responding . Greatly appreciated
very useful
Tried Cuba’s and loved it, too.
You mean cubase? Lots of similarities to studio one since there is some common development staff, I have read.
one question, how do you reduce the width of the trakcs, I want to make it thinner and I don't know how, I would appreciate it very much. thank you.
thank you very much for the tremendous contribution you make by making known such vital things to make a good choice, i have studio one artist, i use it combined with fl studio since fk has vst mode, but i have a problem with it when i use it in studio one and that is when i record something midi using fl vst, when i make an internal bounce or when i use ctrl-b to make an audio type midi sound, the sound is canceled and even if i export the sound made by fl vst in studio one it is not exported and nothing is heard before the export, but if i use any other of my synths, everything is fine and there are no bugs, then i decided to use the cakewalk that does not give me those problems, the question is that i like studio one better and it is better for my workflow, i do not know if you know of any solution to this issue, thanks for your contributions are excellent.
Sorry for the delay in my reply - I don't have anything to offer in terms of FL Studio, as I've never used the program. Are you using some kind of rewire of something? I'm not sure I follow what you are doing and what you are trying to accomplish.
in studio one is there time warp/warp grid function like in cubase? What tool is it?
I got free studio one artist when I bought a Presonus ipad interface.
The interface is terrible but I love the Daw.
Much better than Cakewalk so far.
Thanks for the good video.
Thank you for watching and commenting.
This helps. I've been a CW user at home for 20yrs.
But now working professionally and meeting deadlines, CW instability issues drive me crazy and hurt my flow.
Yeah - I was fairly proficient in Sonar back in the day, but didn't realize how many workflow issues there were until I used S1 for a while. There are still a lot of things that endear me to Cakewalk, but I primarily work in Studio One except to watch the progress in Cakewalk, which is significant especially for a free DAW. I even recorded my last song in Cakewalk as a change of pace and to see how it had come along.
@@BladesMusic if I try out the rent to own option for S1, does my internet connection have to be on while using it?
@@keith-marvk-harrisii8666 I think they have extended the "need to be online" to something like a few weeks vs the few days it was originally. Just understand that it is not "rent to OWN". There is no "own" part to it. You rent to rent. If you stop paying for the subscription, you stop being able to use the product. Since I'm just a user, like you, I have not more control over the terms, so make sure you read them. :)
@@BladesMusic yeah I have to dig into it. What I read was you pay like $16.99 for 24 months. After that you own the product. Yet you must make the payments. Thank you for sharing what you know.
Very nice video, really useful! Still hesitating to do the switch from Cakewalk to Studio One 5 as I have external sound modules and patch names are not displayed. Just trying Prime for the time being. Any advice on patch names?
Glad it was helpful! I never really used the patch names features in Cakewalk since I have no external gear that supports it. I use a Pearl Mimic Pro and there are times I wish it would, but really, I just control it from the front face of the hardware module itself. I find that recording with a sound other than what ends up being on the track doesn't generally work for me anyway. If I am going to record the drums on a different "patch", I'm likely to just re-record them anyway since each kit not just sounds different, but reacts differently to my playing. Even though I record the MIDI, it's pretty rare that I stray to a completely different kit. I might go to something similar, but not a big departure without re-recording the MIDI.
All that said, I know that there are a lot of folks who really miss this option in Studio One. In fact, there are other similar things, like being able to send SysEx from Studio One, that are lacking and if they are needed, it's a no-go situation. I used to use a Roland drum brain and it sends cymbal chokes as Aftertouch. Until a very recent version, S1 didn't support aftertouch either. Fortunately, the Mimic sends choke data as a separate note and not as aftertouch, but had that not been the case for me at the time, I might have been tempted to stick with Cakewalk for that reason alone. Even though I don't choke cymbals a lot, it's one of those things that would have annoyed me by not being there.
You might want to check out ReaControlMidi from this page and see if it works for you: www.reaper.fm/reaplugs/ - in fact I might be checking this out for sending some SysEx to see what I can do with that with my FaderPort 8!
Thank you for this interesting video. I have used CW professionally and avocationally for over 25 years since it was a MIDI sequencer only (Pre-Sonar, Twelve Tone Cakewalk v3). Like you, I acquired S1 when Gibson abandoned Sonar. However, with BL's acquisition of Sonar (now CW by Band Lab), I returned to CW while maintaing S1 (I have version 5). I feel you skipped over many of CW's workflow advantages that are missing in S1. CW's start page is icon based. Clients like it when they see their image or logo representing the file for their production. CW allows one to solo a track from the plugin. S1 requires several mouse clicks. CW allows click and drag to select multiple tracks/channels. From CW's track view, individual tracks can be expanded/contracted with a single mouse click (other methods are available, also). In CW's track view virtually all parameters of a track/channel, including volume, pan, send, I/O and plugins can be edited without opening the inspector. In fact, with a competent control surface, the console view need never be opened in CW. CW's multi-dock allows easy transition between a track's console, piano roll, tempo map, melodyne, etc. functions since all open docks are tabbed. Additionally this window can be quickly minimized and restored with a single click of the mouse. Double click a fader or pan knob to return it to unity/center. S1 requires two hands (Ctrl-click). I could certainly go on. I don't mean to say CW is better than S1, nor is S1 better than CW. The best program of any type is the one with which the user is comfortable. Honestly, I could compile an equally long list as to why S1's workflow is better than CW. My point is, I believe CW to be every bit as capable as any DAW on the market, free or not, and may be rightly considered by any engineer evaluating her/his next DAW.
I agree on several of these points. I could probably list 10 more on either DAW as the advantage as well. This is why I made this as a comparison vs. a Cakewalk Bashing session: because I DO think there are a lot of things that Cakewalk does right and that I miss in Studio One. For ME, the advantages of the Studio One features in general make it the overall winner between the two. If I had to go without either of them tomorrow, I could definitely get by just fine with the other.
A few notes to your points:
1. Solo from in plugin - I don't think I knew this was there. Not really important to me, but interesting. S and M keyboard shortcuts also allow for this is S1 and I have the FaderPort 8 (both of which also can work in Cakewalk if set to do so).
2. I do kind of miss the parameters at the track header rather than having to go to the inspector or mixer - though I nearly always have both open anyway.
Thanks for watching and your thoughtful comments!
3. I like the idea of tabbed interfaces, but the MultiDock always presented me with issues - mostly that things seemed to want to open there whether I wanted them to or no. I like some views there and others not and it seemed like it fought me about what I wanted - regularly.
4. I also prefer double click to default to the ctrl-click of S1. I have found that on the FaderPort 8, Shift and touching the fader sets to zero. Pressing the pan knob down sets pan to center. I got around this by assigning a "macro key" on my multi-button mouse that does the ctrl-click.
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@@BladesMusic first I appreciate you for this video, it really opened My eyes on somethings in cakewalk, thanks.
As per the reply of the above, there are some things you missed on cakewalk as mentioned few but I want to guess your new love for for Studio one 5 wants to get you carried away as you couldn't notice this common plugin solo and some other functions that has better Studio one 5, also when you have alternative for something you wouldn't care about its weaknesses likewise some people won't care about the features Studio One has because it's not needed to them likewise, I love Studio One from the first time it came out for its clean and quality audio but to Me cakewalk is real complicated to Studio One because cakewalk raw and rigid, quality audio compared to when recording in studio one, also one thing cakewalk has that no other DAW do not have is the Studio grade gears for legend mixing engineer and some more I can't mention now, lastly cakewalk has stopped developing due to what happened while others are understudy its weaknesses to lunch out but I don't believe this if cakewalk didn't stop it would have been more greater than any DAW by now but I appreciate Band Lab for acquiring it and the latest developments on it, it will get it feet back. Thanks again, I love your video.
@@pro_influence I'm sure I could have recorded this video from the perspective of Cakewalk being better by focusing on some of the things that I like about it and leaving a few of the Studio One features out or skipping those I am not that familiar with. Like I said - I still have Cakewalk on my system and I actually like jumping back and forth between the two. While I prefer Studio One in general, there are definitely some things about S1 that irritate me and some things about CW that I miss. As my plugins become more common between then two DAWs and the features grow on the Cakewalk side, there is no doubt that I will keep it around for a while, watch its continued development, and even suggest things I see get added to it over on the Studio One side. Thanks for watching and for you comment!
Sound on sound is actually available in the studio one bar by the transport if you click on the cogwheel you'll get a bunch recording settings including takes to layers etc... and in the preferences play overlap should be enabled 😊
Not the same thing. Sound on Sound allows you to hear the underlying audio while you are recording AND during playback, where Play overlaps in Studio One is just on playback. In the case of Cakewalk, having the Sound on Sound option lets you hear what led into a recorded spot so you can get your bearings and there is no jarring stop of audio while you are trying to get your new takes done. In studio one, whether you have overlaps enabled or not, you don't get to hear anything on the track as soon record is engaged. There are a few reasons that Sound on Sound was cool (one for tricky layering within the same track), but most importantly to have a more natural record drop-in.
@@BladesMusic got it, I actually did use to use this often in Cakewalk before switching to studio one, I think it works for midi but not audio in studio one, That would be pretty handy especially at times where I have to overlap bg vox where the end slightly overlaps the start of new layers, I wouldn't need to create a whole new set of tracks to avoid overlaps etc... 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
19:55 have you ever tried the "insert send assistant" (on the "+"-button at the track sends)?
Yeah - it works. For sure, this is a way to get to the end result. But since the section this was covered in was the "drag and drop" part of the video, I'm not sure this applies. I just went through that process and while it is certainly easier than the completely manual method, the Studio One Drage and Drop option is simpler and more obvious. But thanks for pointing this out, as it is an easy way to get a send in place!
Also automations are easier in S1. Turn a knob on a plugin and you can see the parameter name/number in S1 left above, then drag and drop to your hearts content.
Very interesting video. Did you notice any particular difference between the two daw, especially in terms of audio depth, during a heavy mix session? Did the result of your bounce in SO sound as expected, as during a normal playback session? In other words, did the bounced master file sound the same as during multitrack playback session?
I have found that Studio One and Cakewalk prefer similarly under similar loads, though it seems that Cakewalk is more likely to drop out and Studio One feels more fluid when the load gets there. My mix sessions aren't that large, so maybe not a good judge of it here. My bounces sound as I expect them to, though over the long haul, I've definitely experienced some difficulties with things sounding as good after export as they do during the mix. This is not specific to the DAW though. It's more of a "how to master" and get volume at the end. Also, playing back through a different sound card on the same system has its own coloration that makes it hard to tell if the problem was the export, the master, the sound card drivers, or what! Of course, getting it to sound like you expect on other systems (i.e. the car) is also its own long-term challenge!
Thanks for the esaustive reply. The behaviour I mentioned in SO (personally encountered since version 3, in my esperience) only occurs in Windows platform. Anyway... thanks again.
Totally love Cakewalk , excellent daw , easy to use !
Just found this video but the author is incorrect on loop recording on Studio One 5. All you have to do is right click on the timeline where the markers are and reset your play start marker before the point of your punch in loop. It works great!
Long time CW user; made the switch to S1.2 when Gibson went to hell (2014). Today, I soured on S1 as I am not paying $395 to upgrade just so I have 3rd party plug-ins capability! I am seriously considering going back to CW...
3rd party is now always available iirc. No upgrade required.
In the 5.x versions of Studio One, only Prime doesn't include 3rd party, where Artist and Pro do support them. If you are on Studio One v2 - there are TONS of upgrades. I came in at 3.something and 5.x is a pretty big change. If you want a lower cost of entry and all of the other Presonus stuff in addition to Studio One 5, you could go a with a Sphere subscription for $15/month or $165/year. I did a video on this decision for me here: ua-cam.com/video/_D1rIylMQ10/v-deo.html
Version comparison is here: www.presonus.com/products/Studio-One/compare-versions
The FULL version of Studio One Pro 5.x is $399, so if you are seeing $395 as an upgrade, that seems odd. The pricing from any earlier Producer or Pro version is just $149, as seen here: shop.presonus.com/Studio-One-5-Professional-Upgrade-from-Professional-or-Producer-all-versions
If you have Sonar X2 or higher, you could get the crossgrade for $299 here: shop.presonus.com/Studio-One-5-Crossgrade
Does any of that help?
@@BladesMusic I stand corrected. It was missing in v4 Artist, but added in v5 so when i upgraded...
Even the almighty pro tools allow RX 8 izotope to be use as editor for those of us that did not have pad studio to clean up click or noise . I am just waiting for them to make that useful I can send a video for u to see how it work
@Nathaniel Walker I hope you enjoy Studio One 5.x. It's really got some cool stuff going for it! Thanks for participating here too.
After having used or tried most every daw in the last 20 years (including the amazing Saw Studio)....Studio One is like the best of everything. I still prefer doing videos in Mixcraft though.
I haven't used Mixcraft, though I read a lot about it while researching Studio One for the "big switch". I have heard that it is a good emulation of a console setting. Not sure about it as a DAW, per se, but I know a lot of people like it for how approachable it is as an application in general. Thanks for your watch and comment!
So could I use cakewalk and then take my music to a larger pro tools studio for mix and master
Not really directly. But you could export the raw stems or even the stems with FX printed, depending on where you are going to take them. Just export as Wav files and you should be able to pull them into whatever DAW you want, I suppose. But the cwp files or bun files wouldn't work. You might try OMF v2, but honestly, I think it would probably be just easier and more likely to have no complications to just take the wav files. Thanks for the watch and comment!
This has been really useful, just got Faderport 16. Long time user of Sonar Platinum. Only issue is I can't download Studio......using Windows 8.1 :/
Wow.. need to get off of 8.1 and up to 10 unless you have some good reason not to. Get a new SSD, clone the 8.2 drive, and upgrade the clone. That way you can test and see if it all works without the rain if losing the 8.1 system you know works.
And thanks for the watch and comment!
@@BladesMusic yes, just in the process of backing up everything. Very late to Windows 10 party because of debating on getting and system, few health issues as well. Trying to get the fire 🔥 burning again. Great video 🤘🤘
tengo ambos daw y me gusta mas mesclar en cakewalk pese a que en studio one todo es mas flexible, creo que es el efecto psicologico que tienen los daw y me parese que los complementos de cakewalk son mejores y no digo que sean malos los de studio one, por lo demas son fantasticos ambos daw.
what is easier to learn and work: Studio one or Cakewalk (cost free) ???
I think studio one is easier in general. If you have no DAW experience, they both have a learning curve for sure. Both also have some sticking points as well that leave you scratching your head. I think the edge goes to cakewalk for forum/community for getting help if you get stuck though. Does that help?
@@BladesMusic Yes thank you.
I have a free copy of Studio One, so I'm not sure what the paid for product has, but I do like it, especially the included voices. However, it lacks one feature that is a big deal for me, namely a staff view. I read and write music the traditional way, so having a staff view is a big deal for me. Studio One doesn't have this built in, whereas Cakewalk does. Although Studio One does support Notion, a notation-based package, as a rewire device -- for an additional cost, of course. I have a copy of Notion and I really don't care for it. The freeware package Muse is much better. Cakewalk's staff view is full featured enough where I seldom feel the need for another notation based package.
I'm a Cakewalk user, been using it since Pro Audio 9 (over 20 years). I don't consider myself to be a power user, and it has way more capabilities than I'll ever use.
The "faults" he's finding are, to me, just more a difference in procedures, and I don't find the inflexibilities that he does.
And, bottom line, Cakewalk is *free* whereas S1 has a fairly hefty price tag, plus if you want musical notation, that'll cost you even more. So for me, it's a no-brainer. Cakewalk does everything I need, plus a whole lot more. Sorry S1, I'll stick with Cakewalk.
One difference with the paid product is the score view, which you specifically asked about. It was added in the most recent release but is only in the Pro version, or if course the Sphere subscription. Might be worth a look at the pro demo to see how it compares. The cakewalk score view has long been a sore spot for users who want one and has not gotten upgraded much over time. Since presonus has the notion package, certainly some if that is what is in the s1 product. Sphere also includes the full notion. Also worth noting that the built in score view also includes drum and guitar tab modes.
Cakewalk is still my best DAW not because is free . is just too easy to work with . you can use some of is software in other DAW . like drums / Plano / string . bass . and other editing software . like RX connect from izotope to clean vocals / guitar . but studio one 5 does not allow you to bring in other editor .
Yeah - no external editor like I used to use the SoundForge editor in Cakewalk/Sonar. But really, the editor in S1 is much better than what was built into Sonar. So, while it doesn't have all of the capabilities of an external editor, it at least is a step in the right direction. Maybe they will allow for some kind of integration like works with Melodyne one day. Have you put in that feature request?
s1 simplicity like no other
the one you can use is the best...
Dude! If you just click the the + sign next to efx and pick make a new buss, it sets up a send and a bus at the same time.
So although Studio One is slick it can be done in two steps not three steps like you did. So Studio One beats it by one step.
If I am busing I usually just put my backgrounds to a background bus and lead vocals to a lead vocal bus.
I suppose if you want to have backgrounds and lead go to a vocal bus then again Studio One has it beat by one step.
You don't have to stop undo rewind record.
When you stop Cakewalk rewinds automatically and all you have to do is undo.
So again Studio One beats it by one step.
Are you sure you are a long time Cakewalk user?
I've only been using it for a month.
The prochanel is awesome and lets you put your own vst plugins inside it.
Studio One splitter is nice but I don't really need it to mix and record.
The macros could be handy however.
Does Studio one have folders where you can organize your tracks? That is just like buckets on the CLA mix hub.
Makes it so much faster to mix a song as well as less confusing. That is a game changer for me.
That is one thing I haven't heard about in Studio one, I need to research.
Yes Prosonus definitely has a more slick way but the work flow is pretty awesome in Cakewalk.
I didn't realize this was free as of 2018 or so.
I just found out. Try working in Protools and pulling menus down instead of drag and drop. Not to mention difficulty in changing sample rates from one song to another and crashing telling you that your computer Cpu is overloaded when it is not.
Studio one is definitely a little nicer but I'm glad to be out of protools as of last April 2021!
Long live Cakewalk!
Mark - thanks for your comments. 1st, understand that some of the parts of the video are about particular topics, not just a single way to do things. The "create a send/bus" thing was actually intended to focus on Studio One Drag and Drop functionality. There are "long form" ways to add these in S1 also. That wasn't the only point. But to take the challenge, the comparison isn't "two steps, not three like you did". If I follow your path here, I get one click for the + on the send to add "something", then I select that something, then I go to the new bus it added and click the + on the bus and select the effect I want added to that bus (or click and drag it there from the browser). It's 4 clicks (3 if you had the browser already open and did the drag to the bus insert). In Studio 1 it's a single-action click and drag. And if you wanted to add the same send to 10 channels - same single-action click and drag. It exemplifies the larger point that a click and drag is faster, simpler, and (to me) more intuitive.
For the "bussing numerous channels", again this was about workflow, not just a way to do it. Expanding my example out to a full set of tracks handed to someone to mix that hasn't been bussed: going to each track and clicking the send and destination (CW) rather than Click, Shift click, select a bus - all tracks are sent there - or if you don't already have one, click them and choose to add a bus for selected tracks (S1). For me, since I start with a template that has most of what I need anyway, I don't often mess with this, but that doesn't mean it's not more efficient. Compare for 20 tracks: CW=click the track, click the bus dropdown, select the bus - do this 20 times. S1=click the first track, shift-click the last track, click the output bus on one of the tracks and they are all sent there. It's 60 clicks (3x20) in Cakewalk vs 4 clicks in S1.
I do like the fact that you can add FX chains to the ProChannel - I don't like how tiny the ProChannel view is and the complexity of stacking more stuff inside of what I envision is a channel strip. Definitely gives a lot of flexibility, but I feel that it can over complicate things - your opinion on this differs from mine, surely.
Studio One DOES have folders. It also allows you to assign a folder to a Bus channel so you can collapse the bus and its tracks within the Console view like you can in the track view. It also has the option to nest folders inside of one another. This can definitely get complicated, but it also adds to the display options.
The Splitter and Macros are both things I've only seen in Studio One. I'm sure variations on them exist in other DAWs but I don't know those. Macros are far more addressable for "normal people" than the CAL stuff in Cakewalk and lead to workflow enhancements and interface customizations. As for the Splitter - the newer 5.2 version of Studio One makes this even cooler with it appearing on the track's Inserts so you don't forget it's there. Otherwise (like the stuff embedded in the ProChannel) it could get really easy to forget about what's in the split chain and end up scratching your head trying to find "that effect" or whatever. You can accomplish what the splitter does in other ways, but not nearly as elegantly, in my opinion. Do I use it all the time? Hardly. But it's cool to know it is there.
Finally - as a "long time Cakewalk user", that mostly ended in 2017 when it was still Sonar. I've followed the developments and even did a song in it recently. After using it for at least 15 years, my abilities in Studio One are similar in about 3 years time of hobby recording.
As I've mentioned elsewhere, I still have a spot in my DAW heart for Cakewalk, so I keep up with it. I am even looking at the newest features in 2021.04 to do a video on those.
Again - thanks for watching and for your comments. Conversation definitely helps to edify the community of users!
Since Cakewalk/Sonar and everyone who establish their productivity on those we're wrongfully abused by Gibson profiteering, any coin toss comparison between two Daws, Cakewalk should always win. If only to help re-establish to prominence and make up for the years of lost development that Gibson caused.
It infuriated me that Cakewalk was not supported by Windows 7. Could not be installed. Microsoft certainly wasn't going to create updates Windows 7 to fix the problem. And then Gibson buys Cakewalk, charges $200 for lifetime upgrade, knowing that they were going to discontinue development. For these reasons Cakewalk should be recommended revived and fully supported. If you believe in Justice.
I went to Samplitude, but now am back, although I still use Samplitude.
What are you back to? I am assuming cakewalk since one of the common landing places for sonar users was samplitude?
I'm sure the Gibson fiasco granted MANY new customers to a bunch of DAW makers, samplitude included. As I mentioned somewhere, Magix has a habit of messing stuff up and that alone was the first flag - and improving GUIs isn't something I've seen them do; on the contrary, they seem to rest on the product they acquire and at best, bolt on features. The fact that I'd tried Samplitude a LONG time ago (well before it was a Magix product) probably didn't help because back then, almost nothing was any good! I wish I had time to look at all of them, but with DAWs/Recording being my spare time hobby, I have to settle in somewhere. I bet there are many other options I could look at as well that would occupy a lot of my time too!
@Nathaniel Walker yea samplitude tuff but Gui depressing 😩
How does someone contact you directly?? 🤔
Contact form on my website at blades.technology
@@BladesMusic I responded at your website.. Under the name fngrmx.
Studio One has that sound on sound feature it’s called Layers
Not quite the same. Yes, studio one has take layers that you can use for comping and I suppose you could also pull the parts out of the layers and put them on separate tracks, but that isn't what I was comparing here. This is about while recording being able to hear the other parts on the track as reference to the new recording and/or getting overlap before and after the part rather than either cutting off and having to adjust after the fact or recording to multiple tracks to get the same function.
@@BladesMusic ok got you.
2 of Studio Ones killer features is the splitter tool and clip gain envelopes.
Started with ProTools many moons ago and have been using S1 since the beginning of version 4.
S1 has progressed so much and it just keeps getting better.
Yeah. Splitter is quite cool and I think is unique to s1. Did you see my most recent video in 5.2? I have the new splitter plugin mode as one my favorite 4 new features.
@@BladesMusic Yes I did see your video 👍🏽
Samplitude Pro X
I looked at it a VERY long time ago and didn't get on with it. I looked again when considering Studio One and Reaper as alternatives to Sonar. Maybe this is a wrong way of thinking, but the fact that it is a Magix product now really turned me off. I've seen other things that Magix gets a hold of and they have gone down hill. Prime example for me is the Xara graphics product. When it was owned by Xara Ltd, it had groundbreaking features for a product in its price range, but as soon as Magix got a hold of it, the feature updates went very consumer vs pro, and it is a constant money grab for new version features that are few and far between. This is a case where the distribution company negatively affected my interest in the product. I also read a TON of reviews and there were too many things that turned me off to digging into the product.
@@BladesMusic What's your opinion on latest Reaper compared to latest Studio One?
@@encapsulatio When I did my selection of new DAW to replace Cakewalk, I looked at Reaper and I think it took a second spot to Studio One. If I remember right, it was the complexity of getting setup and the multlitude of options available in Reaper that led me to Studio One as my choice. I haven't looked at it in a bit. I can tell you that the main reason that Reaper appealed to me was how you could make it look with new themes. But that was also one of the reasons I actually landed on S1 - I got to focus more on the sound and recording than on the visuals. I kind of thought if I stuck with Reaper, my first inclination would be the visuals and digging into the complexities, rather than focusing on the audio and usability items. There are a TON of folks with reviews of Reaper - unfortunately, one of them is not me.
Just curious why compare those 2. Why not one against the rest to explain why you went with what you now use. You said that some of us go with a product until we have no choice because it lacks a must have feature. You said it as if it was a negative thing or did I misunderstand? I think that you should first decide which one is the one you like the most and go with it, no matter the price, unless that price is just crazy unaffordable. Going with free just to not pay, is foolish, especially if you use it to make money.
Perry: my comparison between these is based on familiarity. There are a lot of DAWs out there and I happen to know these two because I transitioned from one to the other - not when the first was free, but when I was a long time fan and paying customer. It only happens to be free now and the same quality as when I left. In fact, to your point, my preference is to pay for Studio One because I prefer its features and function to Cakewalk, but I still keep up with my old GoTo DAW, Cakewalk because I was so familiar with it for so long. If there comes a point where it exceeds what I get from Studio One, certainly I'll switch back, but the only way I'd know is if I keep up with it.
As for the others out there, like Reaper or Cubase - I simply don't have the knowledge of them nor the funds and time to invest to do the comparisons. I could have done a "why I use Studio One" video, but that's not really the whole story. There are a lot of people who left Cakewalk for Studio One back in the day of the Gibson collapse and a lot who stuck around the Cakewalk bakery to see what develops. This video was made for me, for them, and for those who are still wondering what the benefits are to paying for a DAW when there is such a good one available for free. Make sense?
@@BladesMusic perfect sense
@@BladesMusic do you mean you'll be switching from one to another when it better off other and if the down one be great you'll switch back and back again and again, no, it doesn't make that good sense to a professional.
@@pro_influence I will keep up with both and will likely use both to some degree, even if it is just for the fun, the practice, for making these videos, or keeping abreast of the development of each and not getting stuck in the same spot I did when I only knew Cakewalk back in 2017. Also, this is NOT my profession. As a Hobby, a lot of my focus is on the fun of learning and manipulating these tools and applying my tech knowledge and analytical skill to them. My REAL job is the owner of an IT Services company that also does Digital Marketing, Website Development, and other technology services, including even a little bit of audio and video editing as of late. So, my perspective on all of this stuff will always be from a fun and personal edification perspective. Thanks for the comment!
@@BladesMusic great points, thanks
a more fair comparison would be Studio one vs cubase pro. cakewalk is dated a.f.
Thanks for the comment. If I had and knew Cubase, I'd do such a comparison, but I don't (and I don't). There definitely areas of Cakewalk that are dated, for sure. I bet a lot of people would say that there is a lot old code hanging around in there as well, though with the number of times Cakewalk changed hands and developers (except that staff that shuttled around with the product), it's not surprising. I am glad to see that the Cakewalk team is still building on this application, but there are definitely a LOT of areas in the application that could use not just a refresh, but a complete gutting - still holding a lot of old Windows UI elements even. Thanks for watching and again for the comment.
@@BladesMusic Cool bro, loved the video tho. keep it up.
studio one more fast for workflow
There's no doubt that SO5 is better, much better. But make no mistake, CW is a fantastic free product. Anyone getting into music making/DAWs should start with CW. And I would like to think that as time goes by that BandLab will keep it up-to-date.
Thanks for watching and your comment!
I own both s5 and cw....S5 is different but not better and I enjoy working on both
@@audiosounddoctor5834 Yeah, I don't get that either. I have worked with Studio One until 3.5 and I now much prefer Cakewalk. I gel with CW much better especially as a producer and mixing engineer. It is much more customizable to one's needs IMHO. Those who prefer Studio One seem to have different needs, prefer a different workflow.
Those superlatives all the time... sheesh.
Cakewalk is better, it's a complete DAW and it's free
Studio One for me... Much easier
I think Bandlab may have abandoned development of Cakewalk as there hasn't been any updates in the past 4 years. Most DAWs get updated every year with new updates or new version. I left Sonar back in 2013 and switched to Studio One Pro. It was the best move and investment I ever made in my work flow. It reminded me of Sonar when I first started using it but realise if was a lot more simpler and intuitive that made Sonar a bit clunky and dated.
CW updates about 8 times a year roughy.
@@captainunderpants1097 No it doesn't. The last stable release was in 2017. The GUI has been the same for over 10 years since Sonar X1. I stopped using Sonar at version 8 and switched to Studio One. Sonar is essentially a dead product.
@@eman0828 i don't care enough to argue further. 😋
No idea where you're getting your information. Check the Wikipedia entry for Cakewalk by BandLab and you'll see that the last stable release was just days ago. There have been countless others in the past 4 years.
Is this for real? I love Cakewalk but Studio One is leaps and bounds better than Cakewalk.
In what way? Maybe in the way *you* prefer to work? I have worked with Studio One up and until 3.5. Now I much prefer CW as a producer, recording and mixing engineer.
I guess it also depends on what VI's and FX you already own and whether or not you are mix or production focused.
Better is definitely subjective. I personally prefer S1, as shown in this video but I still think there are things that any of the DAWs can learn from the others.
Wow!!! Presonus is a Cubase copycat !!!! My God is practically identical
Well, since the dev team for Studio One was once part of Cubase, from my understanding, I'm not surprised by this. That said, from everything I have read, Studio One is much leaner than Cubase because it was built from the ground up early on and didn't have all of the baggage of a legacy program like Cubase. Cakewalk/Sonar has that same burden of its own weight.
@@BladesMusic big facts 💯
Other than being free, cakewalk can’t touch studio one, matter of fact studio one surpasses pro tools in features and intuitiveness.
Thanks for your view and comment! Studio One is my preferred DAW at this point, for sure. But let's not let them rest on their laurels - keep updating them with feature requests, up-votes on existing ones, and tickets when things don't work as they should. No product is perfect and driving them from the end-user perspective and keeping them honest is how we continue to have good products.
Is it possible to just present a simple graphic illustration of your conclusions, up front so a person doesn't have to spend 43 minutes to learn your conclusions? Shorten this!
Maybe I could have, but as I mentioned near the beginning of the video, I'd tried to make this one a few times and kept running into one issue or another and this is what I ended up with. I added a Table of Contents to the video to give some jump points if you wanted to get to specific things or at least it shows an overview of the things I cover in it. I could probably do another video as long as this and still have lots to cover. So, the summary here is "I prefer most of the things in Studio One but there are some areas where Cakewalk still has an edge. I like both and you might too". If I had one send-off message that I could have added it would be that both are very capable, and maybe the TITLE of the video of "which is better?" ends with a "it's up to you" kind of answer, not some definitive from me because it is quite subjective and there is not an absolute answer to the question. Hope that helps in some way.
Both are suck compare to Cubase 😎
You don't know what you're talking about.