Who Was Jack Skellington BEFORE He Died?: Disney Theory

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    Isaac theorizes on Jack's life before dying and becoming the Pumpkin King!
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    In the Nightmare Before Christmas, all of the monsters come together to celebrate Halloween. Leading these monsters of course is the scariest among them: the Pumpkin King Jack Skellington. Jack is an animated skeleton who has certain abilities which he explains is dead. The most horrifying creature in Halloween Town at some point was alive. At some point Jack Skellington was a human being living outside of Halloween Town, and today we are going to try to figure who he was.
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  • @lieslperry72
    @lieslperry72 5 років тому +7718

    Anyone else having an audio problem where it cuts out from 4:39-4:49??

  • @geesusway3005
    @geesusway3005 5 років тому +4606

    I think Jack was actually burned at the stake. I mean he's a skeleton(when someone was burned to death all that was left was bones), he has no idea that a modern Christmas is(this happened before the 1800's) and when he enters he's literally burning on fire. Soo ... Idk just an idea

    • @justanamezain3602
      @justanamezain3602 5 років тому +95

      But wouldn't his bones the charred?

    • @z_lovevlogs9736
      @z_lovevlogs9736 4 роки тому +249

      @@justanamezain3602 actually the chard bones would have end up flakeing of revealing the second layer plus it's a fictional movie

    • @justanamezain3602
      @justanamezain3602 4 роки тому +50

      @@z_lovevlogs9736 thank you.

    • @natashahartlen5411
      @natashahartlen5411 4 роки тому +112

      Good theory but we all turn to bones after the flesh decays for a while. Just saying

    • @penguin-IDK
      @penguin-IDK 4 роки тому +30

      @@natashahartlen5411 movie magic

  • @graysontanoue5291
    @graysontanoue5291 3 роки тому +371

    "And since I am dead, I can take off my head, to recite Shakespirian quotation, no animal or man, can SCREAM as i can, with the fury of my re-ci-tations."💀💀💀💀

    • @wonka84
      @wonka84 2 роки тому +18

      "But who here would ever understand that the pumpkin king, with his skeleton grin would tire of his crown, if they ever understood....he'd give it all up, if he only could?"

    • @amberlaughlin3518
      @amberlaughlin3518 2 роки тому +7

      @@wonka84 even he doesn't want to be who he is. I can relate.

    • @verenaamaris804
      @verenaamaris804 2 роки тому +2

      @@amberlaughlin3518 right there with ya.

    • @megalisa830bright6
      @megalisa830bright6 2 роки тому +3

      lol! Yeah! I love that verse of 'Jack's Lament'! ^_^

    • @graysontanoue5291
      @graysontanoue5291 2 роки тому +2

      @@frankgrimes7388 auto correct is a problem

  • @rmt1989ify
    @rmt1989ify 2 роки тому +217

    The headless horseman seemed too violent to be Jack. Yes the characters Halloweentown seemed to glory in gore and death but mainly because it's a good way to scare people. Scaring people is what they're all about but not necessarily actually harming them. Remember in "This is Halloween" it says "tender lumpings everywhere, life's no fun without a good scare. THAT'S OUR JOB BUT WE'RE NOT MEAN, IN OUR TOWN OF HALLOWEEN" And while many of the toys jack gave out did chase and terrorize the kids, they didn't actually hurt anyone even if they had the chance (remember the giant snake swallowing the presents and the Christmas tree, but never tried to attack the child.) So, no I don't think Jack was ever a soldier. Jack scared people in a fun way. Which is what Halloween is about. He just didn't understand that Christmas is about a different kind of fun. I don't think Jack was ever actually a living human. If anything he could be called the spirit of Halloween. References to him being dead are not meant to be taken at face value. It's just part of him being a scary figure. The only one in Halloweentown who could be considered dangerous or actually "mean" was Oogie Boogie, and Jack obviously hated him and didn't trust him right from the start.

    • @edgardeitz2784
      @edgardeitz2784 2 роки тому +6

      THAT'S why I support the theory that Jack is really Ichabod Crane...

    • @Nightcore-336
      @Nightcore-336 2 роки тому

      @@edgardeitz2784 same

    • @saur2244
      @saur2244 2 роки тому +2

      thats why he said jack may have been drafted and didnt want to fight .
      are you assuming that every soldier loves killing ?

    • @rmt1989ify
      @rmt1989ify 2 роки тому +3

      @saur2244 I specifically said I did not think Jack could have been the headless horseman. The horseman was a spectre devoted to revenge, to taking the heads of others as recompense for the loss of his own head. Obviously a very violent goal I did not say anything about all soldiers loving killing. The fact is there is nothing to suggest Jack or any of the residents of Halloweentown were human. As I stated I believe Jack is the spirit of Halloween. Basically he came into being as the holiday of Halloween developed, it's the customs and traditions of Halloween that make Jack what he is. "The Pumpkin King of Halloween" just as it's the customs and traditions of Christmas that make Santa Claus what he is, or the Easter Bunny what he is. They exist solely because those holidays exist. Trying to give them human origins just seems pointless.

    • @tayloranderson7547
      @tayloranderson7547 Рік тому +1

      And didn't trust him right from the start

  • @kendallcasperson4518
    @kendallcasperson4518 5 років тому +2879

    Did anyone else’s sound turn off at 4:40

    • @jjr2042
      @jjr2042 5 років тому +20

      Yes

    • @mimismith2978
      @mimismith2978 5 років тому +28

      But what did he say

    • @pavzcs7653
      @pavzcs7653 5 років тому +14

      yes

    • @pavzcs7653
      @pavzcs7653 5 років тому +66

      @@mimismith2978 he says "with a wave of my hand and a well placed moan I have swept the very bravest off their feet"

    • @brigionnirevere1499
      @brigionnirevere1499 5 років тому +8

      Yes

  • @iyannasapp
    @iyannasapp 5 років тому +1078

    At 4:39 the clip mutes until 4:49 for me? Is that happening to anyone else too?

  • @wolfofmercury7518
    @wolfofmercury7518 3 роки тому +77

    I think Jack knew what Christmas was when he was human because he mentioned it feeling like a memory long since past or something, I just don’t think he remembers much of his life beforehand

  • @thegamingillustrator
    @thegamingillustrator 3 роки тому +182

    i think this kind of fits his layment.
    "Although carving a Jack-’o-lantern is a seasonal tradition today, this was not always the case. The practice of carving a Jack-o’-lantern originates in the Irish myth of stingy Jack. Stingy Jack later became Jack of the Lantern.
    According to his myth, Jack tricked the Devil. Then he made the Devil promise that he would not come for his soul when he died. When Jack did die, as the legend goes, God wouldn’t allow Jack into heaven. And neither, after being tricked, would the Devil permit him into hell. Instead, Jack’s soul was doomed to wander the earth with only a burning coal in his lantern to light the way.
    This legend gave birth to the modern-day Jack-o’-lantern. First people carved beets and gourds in the form of Jack’s lantern, as these were more widely available in the British Isles. Then as people moved to North America where pumpkins are more readily available, pumpkins became the most popular carving choice."

    • @motherrabbit4991
      @motherrabbit4991 3 роки тому +4

      Thank you! I was going to comment similar.

    • @megalisa830bright6
      @megalisa830bright6 2 роки тому +2

      lol! I think that Jack Skellington was just named after 'Stingy Jack'! ^_^ That's just a Celtic folklore tale! :D

    • @charity9660
      @charity9660 2 роки тому

      This is exactly what they said on the grim adventures of billy and Mandy.

    • @thegamingillustrator
      @thegamingillustrator 2 роки тому +1

      @@charity9660 it's because they took vague or rarely heard of folk lore for their plots. Jack-o' lantern being one of them.

    • @thegamingillustrator
      @thegamingillustrator 2 роки тому +3

      @@megalisa830bright6 do you have any idea how much research into folklore went into the nightmare before christmas? each character was based off some sort of folklore, death, or historically significant creature from folklore. heck, jack's full name is jack skellington, the pumpkin king. which was one of jack-o' lantern's titles within legends. plus, the song about jack's past is almost entirely the full description about jack-o' lantern's folklore.

  • @IC4N7C
    @IC4N7C 4 роки тому +469

    He could be Stingy Jack. He was a trickster who tricked the devil, and was eternally in limbo. He used a hollowed out turnip to light his way.

    • @Rakotino
      @Rakotino 4 роки тому +19

      I agree

    • @iluvfour
      @iluvfour 3 роки тому +39

      I also agree because Jack used a pumpkin instead of his head occasionally which is a jack-o-lantern AND Stingy Jack has many names one of which was “Jack of the Lantern”

    • @jamlym4974
      @jamlym4974 3 роки тому +19

      And then he found Halloween Town and it became his home. Then he eventually lost his memory of finding it which is why he doesn’t recognize the doors later.

    • @gracebryant3746
      @gracebryant3746 3 роки тому +6

      Yes this IS what he is

    • @ariwolf8086
      @ariwolf8086 3 роки тому +19

      yeah, he doesn't have a soul, so he have to stay in the halloween town, and Sally too, bc she wasn't even human, but a creation, she was made, so she doesn't have a soul, even if she was not a full doll, but a human bring back to life, she would still not be a ful human, but a cursed one, like the jack, who tricked the devil. So her master tricked the death.
      So in conclusion Jack is Jack o'lantern and Sally is a Frankenstein creation, so both aren't human anymore, and don't have soul. So both of them must stay in the halloween town, bc they aren't living, so they can't stay in the human world, and go to the hell either bc they don't have a soul.
      So in the song when sally and jack sing, they are word 'we're meant to be''
      because they cannot, live and die. So there made for each other. In the halloween town, they will stay with each other forever.
      Sorry for my bad english, and this is my theory.
      And like the headless horse man, and jack, the are the same, o'lantern seek for his soul, and horseman for his head, why is that? because people belive that soul was in the head, not in the heart.

  • @SkaylzTV
    @SkaylzTV 4 роки тому +2808

    He was a pirate. He appears in the shipwreck in James And The Giant Peach

  • @morgantarot3351
    @morgantarot3351 2 роки тому +58

    I never considered that Jack was alive before becoming a part of Halloween town. I thought he just came into existance there. The reason I always thought that is because the characters of Halloween town have no concept of love or happiness. They only know how to scare people which makes it seem like they were all born there and that's all they know.
    The reason why the ending is so sweet is because despite them all living in a loveless world, Jack and Sally finally realise what they were missing and that is love.

    • @megalisa830bright6
      @megalisa830bright6 2 роки тому +11

      Yeah! Exactly! I like to think that Halloween Town is where the creatures all originated from, and Halloween is all that they know about! ^_^ I think that's why Jack never knew about the other holidays, because they would all stay in their own separate Towns! :D

    • @bernardwalker3060
      @bernardwalker3060 2 роки тому

      Hello

  • @chrissyb.4816
    @chrissyb.4816 3 роки тому +471

    He COULD be from the legend of Sleepy Hollow, but not the headless horseman! I think he is...
    Ichabod Crane...look he's tall lanky, the REAL life Ichabod was an actual solider in a war and it looks like Jack is dressed in soldier attire in one scene. The theory of him being burned could be true, if you watch or have read the legend of sleepy hollow, a flaming pumpkin head is thrown at Ichabod, where it hits him...and then he is never seen or heard of again. Maybe that's what the whole first scene of him being a pumpkin/scarecrow being lit on fire could be in correlation too, which is him being burned by the pumpkin head. Maybe a pumpkin in flames could have killed him, that’s where his "Pumpkin King" name came from. There is also a scene where Jack sings “Well since I am dead I can take off my head, to recite Shakespearean quotations” him being able to dislodge his head, could be a nod to the headless horseman possibly cutting it off after killing him?
    It makes sense kind of lol idk, just my theory.

    • @wysteriaz
      @wysteriaz 3 роки тому +9

      Very amazed.
      Hmm.

    • @quinn._.2046
      @quinn._.2046 3 роки тому +8

      yea that is aalso reasonable

    • @bethclapton3647
      @bethclapton3647 3 роки тому +12

      That is a rly good theory thanks

    • @AmySorrellMusic
      @AmySorrellMusic 3 роки тому +11

      I paused the video to really read your comment. I am intrigued. I think you're on to something. Ooh! Fun! Happy Halloween! 🎃

    • @Burning_Dwarf
      @Burning_Dwarf 3 роки тому +11

      Better theory than the one in the video

  • @hisokasmannequinhead7131
    @hisokasmannequinhead7131 4 роки тому +431

    To many theories in this comment section I feel stupid for knowing nothing

    • @annabourbon
      @annabourbon 4 роки тому +9

      Your comment made me smile... ☺️

    • @priagp
      @priagp 3 роки тому +5

      Same here brother

    • @jaydenthrowaway7437
      @jaydenthrowaway7437 3 роки тому

      Jack skeleton is grinch skeleton

    • @purpleisraiyen
      @purpleisraiyen 3 роки тому +1

      underrated comment ngl

    • @isabellapina811
      @isabellapina811 3 роки тому

      @Sheila Gravely i don't think u should say that because lots of ppl r thankful for him making this or else we wouldn't know -_-

  • @alyrosales1534
    @alyrosales1534 6 років тому +804

    There is actually a theory that Tim Burton meant for Frankenweenie, The Corpse Bride, and The Nightmare Before Christmas to be one story. One reason is because he said “Every story has a beginning, middle and an end. Not necessarily in that order.” Frankenweenie came out in 2012, The Corpse Bride came out in 2005, and The Nightmare Before Christmas came out in 1993. Another reason to believe this is that in Frankenweenie, a boy’s beloved dog dies and he tries to bring him back to life. In The Corpse Bride, Victor receives a gift from Emily (the Corpse Bride) which is the dead version of Victor’s beloved dog, which died when he was a kid. In The Nightmare Before Christmas Jack has his dog which has the same facial structure as the dead version of Victor’s dog in The Corpse Bride. But think what you want, it is just what I believe.

    • @hazel-bf8vo
      @hazel-bf8vo 6 років тому +19

      Wow nice theory 👏🏽

    • @sisterzoloft
      @sisterzoloft 6 років тому +9

      That's what I always thought

    • @rockybarnes4906
      @rockybarnes4906 6 років тому +29

      Frankenweenie came out before Nightmare Before Christmas. The original was released in 1984.

    • @quiescentsoul9186
      @quiescentsoul9186 6 років тому +22

      Then if jack skellington is victor.... Could he be still searching for the bride?

    • @kmarie1331
      @kmarie1331 6 років тому +10

      Alyssa Brianna Rosales wow. Deep. But it makes sense

  • @Electricity_artz
    @Electricity_artz 2 роки тому +15

    My theory :
    In the song jack sings in the beginning where he says “ to a man in Kentucky I’m mr unlucky “ which probably meant he was a man who lived in Kentucky and he had a run in with bad luck . And since he never heard of Christmas , like in this video , he was to have lived in the late 1800s , and his attire , which is a suit with what looks like a bow tie , he was maybe going to a formal event , and since he is a skeleton he may have drove there since cars were introduced in the later 1800s and somehow got into a crash , the car may have over heated or caused both to happen , which he probably set him on fire and burned him alive , and he is freakishly tall , so he may have been in a car that he could be able to fit in , which would need a certain amount of fuel , leading to him being soaked and then caught aflame , leading to his skin being burned away , eventually leading to his death, probably due to his wounds getting infected .
    I’m probably totally wrong , that’s just my theory .

  • @bellaparkes1749
    @bellaparkes1749 3 роки тому +18

    I think this connection to the Headless Horseman is interesting considering Tim Burton also directed Sleep Hollow which is shaped around this story too and also further connecting Tim's films together.

  • @therandomguy1872
    @therandomguy1872 4 роки тому +616

    Doesn't jack claim to be well known through England and france?
    Edit: I don't know what to do with this information I just thought to point it out

    • @Idk-jm1hj
      @Idk-jm1hj 4 роки тому +62

      Also he's known to one guy in Kentucky.

    • @joegaming029
      @joegaming029 4 роки тому +64

      Could he be Jack The Ripper?

    • @saiyanelite338
      @saiyanelite338 4 роки тому +19

      The heshens were allies of England and enemy's of France who were allies the colony's. Thus be was notorious in England and France.

    • @michaelbrown4420
      @michaelbrown4420 4 роки тому +21

      And unlucky to a guy in Kentucky who saw his head get blown off. But the problem is a cannon ball to the head would obliterate the skull.

    • @jodiefindlay382
      @jodiefindlay382 4 роки тому +12

      He's English look at the suit like an anorexic teddy boy

  • @kerryann9851
    @kerryann9851 6 років тому +307

    Jack doesn’t know what snow is... hence the song “What’s This?!”
    Plus, if you watch James & the Giant Peach - remember the sunken pirate ship that shows Jack as a dead pirate captain?

    • @Ashfer2
      @Ashfer2 6 років тому +18

      Yet suddenly a little bit later in the song he says they're throwing snowballs instead of throwing heads. It would make more sense for him to know what snow is if they go around different places and scare people, some of those are most likely covered in snow in October.

    • @Ashfer2
      @Ashfer2 6 років тому +10

      I forgot to mention he also eats the snow at the beginning. Is that something people do when they first see it?, assume it can be eaten? (may have been a random director choice since it's not part of the song)Though at the very end the other residents of Halloween town are confused and think it's a Christmas thing so I don't know there's a lot of mixed signals here.

    • @rox-13
      @rox-13 6 років тому +6

      +Ashfer2 you can put maple syrup on snow and eat it like candy. They used to do it back in the day.

    • @Ashfer2
      @Ashfer2 6 років тому +1

      Hmm, that sounds interesting, never tried it with flavorings. Yeah, I've eaten snow before too lol. I meant that if he didn't know what it was why would he randomly assume he should eat it?

    • @gieromguy_does_nothing_pro8458
      @gieromguy_does_nothing_pro8458 6 років тому +21

      He... Is... *CAPTAIN JACK SPARROW*

  • @dancingdilophosaurus651
    @dancingdilophosaurus651 2 роки тому +16

    Jack was the grinch. The dog, the fondness for Christmas, it all adds up

    • @greenhowie
      @greenhowie 2 роки тому +1

      Oh my god he killed every single one of them

    • @charity9660
      @charity9660 2 роки тому

      @@greenhowie lmfaoooo

  • @silicabeastmaster1175
    @silicabeastmaster1175 3 роки тому +6

    Jack likes to scare people not kill them. And as he makes no mention of ever losing his head for an extended period I find your theory very unbelievable. They don't even have the same body types. Could it be that Jack is just quite simply Jack. Burton himself has already disclosed that
    "Every story has a beginning, middle and an end. But no one says you have to write them in that order.". This references Frankenweenie and Corpse Bride as being part of The Nightmare Before Christmas.

  • @kateallan6992
    @kateallan6992 4 роки тому +1131

    If Jack was the headless horseman and the horseman got hit with a cannonball, wouldn't Jack's skull be caved in? Just a theory...

    • @utubercouchvegetable2172
      @utubercouchvegetable2172 3 роки тому +27

      No a cannonball would swiftly sweep a head from a neck like croquet.

    • @liezelbickle9430
      @liezelbickle9430 3 роки тому +46

      To answer your question, yes. I have read about the damage done by cannonball and i can tell you that there wouldn't be much of anything left of anyone that got hit with one of them. Also if a cannonball hit someone straight in the face their head would be completely destroyed.

    • @tayloranderson7547
      @tayloranderson7547 3 роки тому +9

      If jack was the headless horsemen and the horsemen get hit with a conball,
      Wouldn't jack skull be carved in? Just a thorey.

    • @thechosenone3163
      @thechosenone3163 3 роки тому +6

      A movie theory

    • @wysteriaz
      @wysteriaz 3 роки тому +3

      Oh yeah..

  • @licantropavampiresa
    @licantropavampiresa 6 років тому +452

    What if Jack Skellington was Ichabod Crane?
    He was a teacher (smart),has a fondness for the theatre at least singing , know how to be charming and their complexion are similar.
    Also the way Ichabod die...Burned by an enchanted JACK o lantern...Well...burned corpse only bones remains and because of the way he die Pumking King

  • @jawthetransformer1093
    @jawthetransformer1093 2 роки тому +4

    Another thing to kinda support the theory is when jack is being carried out in the opening scenes of nightmare before Christmas, he’s on a horse with a pumpkin for a head. Another thing is during this scene he swallows the fire, lighting himself on fire, to which the headless horseman has a pumpkin light on fire,

  • @CarlyCatharsis
    @CarlyCatharsis 2 роки тому +4

    BRILLIANT: HE DOES Have
    The Bone Structure & Height
    Of Ichabod Crane & Burton DID
    Make His OWN Version Of
    "SleepyHollow" Which SHOWS
    That He Obviously DID Have
    An Affinity For The Irving Story!
    In-Fact; You See Jack Constantly
    Studying/Reading Books & Even
    TEACHING The Residents About
    The Customs Of The Seasons!

  • @donnythompson408
    @donnythompson408 4 роки тому +448

    If Jack had been the Headless Horseman, who was a Hessian soldier, he would have a German accent, as Hessians were german soldiers and mercenaries.
    If Jack was once alive, he was most likely “Stingy Jack”, who was a practical joker of Celtic folklore, and who carried a carved out turnip or gourd with a candle inside to light his path and find his way around the countryside at night to scare and play mean jokes on people.

    • @brianl8481
      @brianl8481 3 роки тому +5

      @Orange Crewmate Orange is sus.

    • @andrewwolf3967
      @andrewwolf3967 3 роки тому +7

      And being around different people and culters for centuries wouldn't get rid of it?
      Edit:just to clarify I mean tge accent

    • @megalisa830bright6
      @megalisa830bright6 2 роки тому +1

      lol! I think that Jack Skellington was just named after 'Stingy Jack'! ^_^ That's just a Celtic folklore tale! :D

    • @greenhowie
      @greenhowie 2 роки тому

      What about Springheel Jack? Very popular Victorian era cryptid.

    • @ardellapurcell4433
      @ardellapurcell4433 2 роки тому +3

      I know this is an old post, but I like this theory the most! When I was watching, I even thought to myself: "A Hessian soldier celebrating an Irish holiday?" I think your theory fits the best of the ones I have read.

  • @ZedanB
    @ZedanB 4 роки тому +222

    I've always had a fan theory that Jack Skellington was a Vaudevillian/stage actor before his death:
    He has an incredible stage presence
    He can perform flawlessly
    Skilled musician and singer

    • @tayloranderson7547
      @tayloranderson7547 Рік тому +1

      Jack skeleton was a Vadevillian/ stage actor before his death: he he can perform flawlessly skilled musicians and singer

    • @markgrayson772
      @markgrayson772 Рік тому +1

      Oh hell nah he was a pirate lmaoo

    • @-m00d-
      @-m00d- 7 місяців тому +1

      “To recreate Shakespearean quotations!”

  • @aspiringjoker2883
    @aspiringjoker2883 3 роки тому +7

    Tim Burton has his own adaptation of "The Legend of Sleepy Hollow." I guess this checks out for the larger Burtonverse.

  • @patrickmurphy6775
    @patrickmurphy6775 2 роки тому +1

    You have done a lot of work on this subject. I am impressed with your dedication. Great job!

  • @julitzamatos2223
    @julitzamatos2223 5 років тому +367

    Tim Burton himself said "same story just not in order". He was referring to Frankenweenie, Corpse Bride, and Nightmare Before Christmas. That was his way of saying both Victor's are the same and in death he became Jack.

    • @selenacotie7290
      @selenacotie7290 5 років тому +22

      Yeah but Victor has an accent, Jack doesn't.

    • @cryoblaster8371
      @cryoblaster8371 5 років тому +12

      And the way it works is different

    • @DakotarWolf
      @DakotarWolf 5 років тому +28

      And also Burton said Jack was just some guy buried in a pumpkin patch

    • @cindyhellam3998
      @cindyhellam3998 5 років тому +9

      he acully he was bernt alive

    • @imlonelypleasehelp5443
      @imlonelypleasehelp5443 5 років тому +7

      Julitza Matos I think this whole video is dumb and very loosely connected anyways

  • @target9959
    @target9959 6 років тому +469

    I just thought that Victor from Frankenweenie was Victor from the Corpse Bride and died to become jack. This also fits with Tim's quote, "Every story has a beginning, middle, and end. Not necessarily in that order." - Tim Burton

    • @ronnierodriguez7578
      @ronnierodriguez7578 6 років тому +27

      Unicorn Sparkle Pants Victor from Frankenweenie got his name from Victor Frankenstein. Plus how are you raised in modern America but an adult in old England?

    • @novadream1454
      @novadream1454 6 років тому +11

      Unicorn Sparkle Pants Frankenweenie is during the 1950’s the corpse bride was late 1800’s

    • @humangirl2122
      @humangirl2122 6 років тому +1

      alot of American family's have a foreign heritage.

    • @andrears29
      @andrears29 6 років тому +1

      But Tims already they had no connection

    • @Tessa101GamingGirl
      @Tessa101GamingGirl 6 років тому

      This was proven to be true, he's one of the worst theorists out there

  • @fantasyeve87
    @fantasyeve87 2 роки тому +11

    Very interesting theory!! I can’t say that he was ever the Headless horseman though bc it’s obvious the horseman is more of the murdering sort and Jack just likes to strike fear. Maybe he murdered people when he was alive but it doesn’t seem to be his key way of striking fear like the horseman. Hmmmmm….

  • @dominiquemclellan5810
    @dominiquemclellan5810 3 роки тому +3

    Jack was burned to death that is why he is a skeleton,Sally got her limbs cut off that is why she is stitched together,The Boogie Man was skinned that why he where’s a bag type thing,and finally Jack’s dog drowned that why he floats.

    • @queenoverhaul707
      @queenoverhaul707 3 роки тому

      I think that zero was electrified because if his bright nose

    • @vimoe
      @vimoe 3 роки тому

      Yeah Zero was electrocuted

    • @vimoe
      @vimoe 3 роки тому

      And a theory, I think the mail man broke his neck?

    • @vimoe
      @vimoe 3 роки тому

      Barrel drowned in a bathtub as you can see he had that bathtub, and it also explains why his skin is a pale, greenish blue

    • @vimoe
      @vimoe 3 роки тому

      Shock and Lock both froze alive, or at least one of them

  • @lilclownkitty1571
    @lilclownkitty1571 6 років тому +268

    Last time I was this early jack was alive

  • @benbittinger9789
    @benbittinger9789 3 роки тому +446

    Alternate theory: Jack is Ichabod Crane himself. They have similar body structures and Ichabod could have started scaring out of revenge because of what Abraham Van Brunt did. Also, he lived in the 1700s and was said by some women of the town upon his disappearance to have been "spirited away by supernatural means."

    • @ERJones-fd6oh
      @ERJones-fd6oh 3 роки тому +52

      that's brilliant, a really clever twist there. A man who in mortal life was ruled by fears since Ichabod was very superstitious becoming the King of fright after the most terrifying experience of his life. pure genius

    • @ladyvincenza
      @ladyvincenza 3 роки тому +19

      Plus this would have to dovetail into Johnny Depp's portrayal of Ichabod Crane in Sleepy Hollow. Sounds good to me!

    • @jacquelinelovell2073
      @jacquelinelovell2073 2 роки тому +9

      i do agree that jack was Ichabod Crane , when Ichabod Crane died he changed his name to jack

    • @katx9697
      @katx9697 2 роки тому +5

      Headless horseman wasn't looking for a head but a head, but an heir.

    • @kalvin187douglas
      @kalvin187douglas 2 роки тому +1

      @@jacquelinelovell2073 whoa really

  • @zelpazz
    @zelpazz 2 роки тому +2

    2:04 are we sure about that though? Jack's fascination for christmas could also be a lost memory from his life. Seeing this christmas land lightened something up inside of Jack and he felt a connection to it, a connection to his human self.

  • @gordonramsay1691
    @gordonramsay1691 3 роки тому +9

    I’m pretty sure Jack was actually burned alive

  • @xsilly9503
    @xsilly9503 6 років тому +95

    Maybe Jack didn't know about Christmas because they lose all their memories when they die. That would explain why Jack feels lost or doesn't know his true feelings. It is possible that they (the folk of Halloween Town) "raised" him to be who he was.

    • @AuraRoseCats
      @AuraRoseCats 6 років тому +2

      Xsilly I think the same thing.

    • @fox7378
      @fox7378 6 років тому +2

      He's not necessarily unsure because of memories xD After all, he never regained anything but perspective and was content again at the end.

    • @Namron9797
      @Namron9797 6 років тому +2

      Because undead skeleton monsters hell-bent on scaring the living learn Shakespearean quotations...

    • @256NatLiz
      @256NatLiz 6 років тому +3

      I've thought about this as well.
      Most notable in the "What Does It Mean?" song, where Jack specifically says, "like a memory long since past." Could he be alluding to the fact that even he has no memory of his life before he died?

    • @notepad7871
      @notepad7871 6 років тому

      Xsilly It IS a possibility!

  • @RandomPerson-vs6pc
    @RandomPerson-vs6pc 5 років тому +298

    Fun fact: every character isn’t actually animated..
    the creators of “The Nightmare Before Christmas” actually made clay models of each character,But they didn’t just got to stop there. They had to made hundred of different face expressions so it could look like they’re talking but they also had to move the characters. It took about an entire WEEK to just make a minute of the film!

    • @goroboys7841
      @goroboys7841 5 років тому +3

      Wow!

    • @ejpool4104
      @ejpool4104 5 років тому +60

      Yeah, it's called a stop motion film. Most people know that.

    • @tweetiedoesntchirp
      @tweetiedoesntchirp 5 років тому +10

      Sooo smn like Coraline...

    • @silverstar1178
      @silverstar1178 5 років тому +20

      claymation (stop-motion) is a form of animation.

    • @jesse9958
      @jesse9958 5 років тому +3

      Noooo

  • @blxsom6749
    @blxsom6749 2 роки тому

    OMG I have been looking for this forever thank you for making this!!

    • @blxsom6749
      @blxsom6749 2 роки тому

      Can you do a theory on dark shadows LMAO or corpse bride I also wanna see Edward Scissorhands!!

  • @90139
    @90139 3 роки тому +5

    My theory is that Jack was originally Ichod crane. He has the same shape. Long thin and tall. I feel that the night the Headless horseman attacked him he was then cursed to be the Halloween king just like the Santa Clause can be transferred to another.

    • @lilay1841
      @lilay1841 3 роки тому +1

      ya but why would his name be jack lol, like why would ichabod get his name changed after he died

    • @90139
      @90139 3 роки тому +1

      @@lilay1841 Causes Ichod Skelton doesn't sound good.

  • @ilikememes7332
    @ilikememes7332 5 років тому +1358

    Okay, the sound cuts out, there’s no need for a million comments 😂❤️

    • @barnabyjjones2348
      @barnabyjjones2348 5 років тому +13

      I Like memes ikr

    • @am_goose
      @am_goose 5 років тому +18

      THANK YOU. This is the first comment NOT giving a time stamp

    • @penguin-IDK
      @penguin-IDK 4 роки тому +5

      ikr

    • @Tamhero04
      @Tamhero04 4 роки тому +15

      I thought it was only me

    • @peierple
      @peierple 4 роки тому +5

      Yet yours is one of those comments!

  • @jbellehaven285
    @jbellehaven285 5 років тому +196

    Entertaining the thought of this fan theory despite the fact that long ago Tim Burton mentioned in an interview that Jack was just a guy who was murdered and buried in a pumpkin patch....If Jack had been a soldier, the idea that he was a Hessian isn't too far fetched because he mentions that he was known among England and France, and the British are the ones who press ganged Germans into the military (the Hessians.) However, he mentions dieing in Kentucky. Kentucky was neutral during the American Revolution, their main fight was with British-hired Native Americans who were paid to scalp Kentuckians and were paid based on the number of scalps they brought in. Had he been a Hessian, he'd have been fighting on the side of the British, and not many British soldiers entered Kentucky during the Revolutionary War. As stated previously, it was mostly battles against Native American mercenaries hired by the British. Jack would've been sent where he was most needed to the front lines, which were nowhere near Kentucky.
    The Revolutionary War wasn't in the early 1800s, either. It was 1775-1783. In keeping with the idea of the timeline based on his knowledge of Halloween but lack thereof regarding modern Christmas, and his death in Kentucky, it is much more likely that Jack was a soldier who fought for the British during the War of 1812.
    There are also some fan theories out there that Jack was originally based on a character from Irish folklore called Stingy Jack in regards to the origins of the Jack-O-Lantern, and the Irish did fight alongside the British against the non-British controlled Americas....IN the War of 1812.
    Now, to rebuke the whole thing fairly simply.....Jack in NMBC did NOT know what snow even was. However, it snows quite often in Germany, it snows in Britain but it only sticks maybe 15 days of the year presently...may have been different in the 1800s. The only place between Ireland, Britain, and Germany where it doesn't really snow is Ireland, though there are some mountains in Ireland that have snow on them during the winter...most winters in Ireland are rainy. So this suggests that Jack was most probably not a Hessian soldier and probably didn't fight in either the Revolutionary War OR the War of 1812 because he'd have experienced at least one or two snowy winters in either Britain or North America during the span of those years spent in military service. He could've been an Irish soldier who died in the War of 1812 before winter hit because the War of 1812 lasted from June 18, 1812 until February 18, 1815. So if he died early on in the war, he could've died before winter ever hit....and had he been Irish, he probably wouldn't have had much contact with snow, or very little memory of it from before he died. We do not, however, know in what year NMBC takes place (other than modern times, probably meant to reflect the 1990s) and how long Jack had already been Pumpkin King to that point. So other than his surprise at certain aspects of the Christmas holiday and traditions, we don't have a solid timeline.
    However the whole theory is still absolutely marvelous from a fictitious standpoint. I loved the Adventures of Ichabod Crane and Mr. Toad (1949) as it was by far one of the more creepy cartoons around during my childhood.I've also always loved the legends and lore surrounding the Headless Horseman and Sleepy Hollow. ^.^

    • @andrewclark7559
      @andrewclark7559 5 років тому +3

      Community Without Walls He has to know what snow is. How else would he have known to say that the children were “throwing snowballs instead of throwing heads”?

    • @rainnebaby9141
      @rainnebaby9141 5 років тому +9

      Your point doesn't debunk his theory friend. He even says that jack, in the possibility of being an Irish soldier, may have seen snow once or twice before but had little to no recollection of it after his death. likewise, humans retain tons of information even if we can't immediately recall it, so jack may have known snow in his lifetime and forgotten it after his death, only to then recall the vague idea of snow and snowball in the heat of his excitement upon discovering Christmas Town.

    • @jbellehaven285
      @jbellehaven285 5 років тому +4

      I never said that it debunked anything. Just that there were some inconsistencies with the theory historically. However it's still a fun idea to entertain. However it *does* debunk his Hessian / Headless Horseman theory if we follow the timeline he set. Jack states in one of his songs that he died in Kentucky. No Hessians died in Kentucky as far as we know in recorded history. However, several Irish soldiers may have.

    • @ayishalampkin5675
      @ayishalampkin5675 5 років тому +20

      All of your opinions are awesome. But Jack didn't say he died in Kentucky. He said, "To a guy in Kentucky, I'm Mr. Unlucky". Everything else was on point.

    • @justanotherhappyhumanist8832
      @justanotherhappyhumanist8832 5 років тому

      The world was colder in the 1800s, and was even going through a miniature ice age. They definitely had some snow during winter back then.

  • @JoanDeArtemisMDiv
    @JoanDeArtemisMDiv 2 роки тому

    Excellent video! I am so glad I found this today!

  • @complex2live
    @complex2live Рік тому

    You are the new MatPat sir. I love this. Even though I have never seen Ichabod and Mr. Toad, thus makes way too much sense. Kudos to you

  • @cliffordollis5878
    @cliffordollis5878 4 роки тому +29

    Jack’s backstory is in James and the Giant Peach. He was a pirate captain (great leader and fighter like you said) back in the 1600s who loved to scare people. Jack said “to have died in Kentucky I’m Mr. unlucky and I’m known throughout England and France.” He sailed throughout Europe looting ships abs eventually got lost in Antartica where his ship sunk and his whole crew died. Antarctica like Kentucky is basically in the middle of nowhere (no offense to anyone). Jack’s crew kicked him out after the battle with Mr. Centipede and he decided to become a good guy. He learned how to make the magic green things that grew the Giant Peach and brought him back from the dead. He used them to bring other dead people back including the Mayor and Dr. Finkelstien. If you think about it, Jack highjacked another holiday much like pirates would highjack other ships.

    • @Jason49110
      @Jason49110 4 місяці тому

      has this been confirmed?

  • @wyatt9405
    @wyatt9405 4 роки тому +1324

    Theory:Jack as a human used to be ....
    Jack from the titanic

    • @sage-yj4ko
      @sage-yj4ko 4 роки тому +36

      O
      M
      G
      SISTER

    • @user-rq6qx8uc7r
      @user-rq6qx8uc7r 4 роки тому +12

      OOOOOOOOO

    • @kryoruleroftheninthcircleo4151
      @kryoruleroftheninthcircleo4151 4 роки тому +15

      Then by that point he should’ve known what Christmas was since the Titanic sank in 1912 taking over a thousand passengers and crew with her.

    • @Queen_O_Raccoon
      @Queen_O_Raccoon 4 роки тому +12

      Don't let go Jack

    • @floragriffin4590
      @floragriffin4590 4 роки тому +13

      I think Jack Skellington was actually Dr. Jack Griffin, The Invisible Man! Dr. Jack Griffin conducted experiments, and so does Jack Skellington.

  • @jackiexkh
    @jackiexkh 2 роки тому +12

    I don't think Jack is *really* dead, he's just the embodiment of Halloween. He was just... always a skeleton who always lived in Halloween Town.
    Also claiming Jack is the same character as someone from a completely unrelated movie is just dumb.

  • @betelgeuseredstone9082
    @betelgeuseredstone9082 2 роки тому +2

    I already figured it out. Jack Skellington was born sometime before Victor & Victoria. Victor & Victoria, might have witnessed a crime and left, and had to changed their own names. Their own surname have to changed to Skellington, sometime after they both had kids of their own. One of the kids names were Jack, as in Jack Skellington. That we known, and he used to celebrate Christmas. Something went wrongfully when Jack was still young, they all couldn’t celebrate Christmas not anymore. So, Jack only remembers Halloween. If you approve my theory, please comment down. And have Burton day.

  • @roseal-sawmahi9358
    @roseal-sawmahi9358 4 роки тому +171

    The Nightmare Before Christmas has been one of my favorite movie since it came out. I never would have contemplated Jack's backstory. I like that you did and explored it into details. Neat video. Thanks for the entertainment

  • @noticemebug945
    @noticemebug945 4 роки тому +101

    Isaac: Jack skellington is the scariest creature alive!
    Slenderman: Hold my child

    • @mattycraig1544
      @mattycraig1544 3 роки тому +4

      King ghidorah: nah

    • @WAFFLE_BIRD4
      @WAFFLE_BIRD4 2 роки тому +8

      Siren head "hold my radio signal"

    • @greenhowie
      @greenhowie 2 роки тому +8

      Jeff Bezos : "I own everything you love and can take it away on a whim"

    • @bruh-js7tz
      @bruh-js7tz 2 роки тому +2

      slenderman isn’t scary though. he’s just a faceless, slender man with black tentacle-… wait 😳

    • @jeydel1046
      @jeydel1046 2 роки тому

      For real

  • @evanlight2145
    @evanlight2145 3 роки тому +1

    I'm lucky to find this because I wanted to know so bad so thank you for making this

  • @Kidfun89
    @Kidfun89 2 роки тому +1

    You’re quite the detective 🕵️‍♂️ good job tho ❤️ Exploring the possibilities was quite fun to follow with u

  • @vault9263
    @vault9263 5 років тому +563

    Who is Jack? He's the Pumpkin King.....
    "'Twas a long time ago, longer now than it seems
    In a place that perhaps you've seen in your dreams.
    For the story that you are about to be told
    Began with the holiday worlds of old.
    Now, you've probably wondered where holidays come from.
    If you haven't, I'd say it's time you begun.
    For holidays are the result of much fuss and hard work
    For the worlds that create them for us.
    Well, you see now, quite simply that's all that they do--
    Making one unique holiday, especially for you."
    Asking who Jack is would be like wondering whose skin was used to make Sally, because that's what she is, a human skin, sewn together and stuffed with autumn leaves.
    And a mother.
    "With four or five skeleton children at hand,
    Playing strange little tunes,
    In their xylophone band"
    Jack has always been the Pumpkin King, the ruler of Halloween. But once, just for a night, he got to be Sandy Klaws.

    • @kikiswaik1253
      @kikiswaik1253 5 років тому +6

      vault9 nice 👍🏼

    • @classicstorm
      @classicstorm 5 років тому +5

      I agree...

    • @trinitymoon8488
      @trinitymoon8488 5 років тому +1

      Awesome but I do t get the part about the kids

    • @basilgamesx2422
      @basilgamesx2422 5 років тому +15

      @@trinitymoon8488 in an unused epilogue ( I think thats what it was) for the movie it was stated that Santa returned to halloween town, and saw that Jack and Sally had kids

    • @williambrown4138
      @williambrown4138 5 років тому +20

      You know, I can get past the fact they are practically the Undead who live in their own realm and can travel between different worlds of holidays and ours, but I can't get over the fact a Rag Doll and a Skeleton had babies...

  • @z_lovevlogs9736
    @z_lovevlogs9736 5 років тому +139

    This conclusion is clever but illogical because in the movie it is said that Jack Skellington was burned alive

    • @lingmaymarcano539
      @lingmaymarcano539 4 роки тому +8

      WHEN!!!

    • @z_lovevlogs9736
      @z_lovevlogs9736 4 роки тому +2

      @@lingmaymarcano539 whatch some videos on that

    • @raw6668
      @raw6668 4 роки тому +11

      Not to mention he also stated, "To Have Died in Kentucky, I am Mister Unlucky." Suggesting he died in Kentucky, which did not exist until after the Revolutionary War.

    • @confusingzark
      @confusingzark 4 роки тому +36

      @@raw6668 He actually says to a guy in Kentucky not to have died in Kentucky.

    • @leoisdeffpro5277
      @leoisdeffpro5277 4 роки тому

      That scary

  • @blacklaluna8270
    @blacklaluna8270 2 роки тому

    love your channel !!!

  • @juliagulia2438
    @juliagulia2438 2 роки тому

    Love your ideas!

  • @thequeenofcringe6920
    @thequeenofcringe6920 4 роки тому +74

    When I die, I’m going straight there... also jack would’ve been burned alive, the bone cannot burn and at the beginning how he was a scarecrow burning, that’s a sign of how he died

    • @KirstenMarie_MS3
      @KirstenMarie_MS3 3 роки тому +4

      Everything burns. You just have to get it to the right temp and give it enough time. We're talking something like 600⁰C, which the temp of an average cremation, for 1 to 3 hours. Your typical structure fire doesn't burn long enough to fully reduce a body to ash.

    • @girlygamer420
      @girlygamer420 2 роки тому +1

      @@KirstenMarie_MS3 I worked at a mortuary and you are correct. Good job🤗

  • @cliffordollis5878
    @cliffordollis5878 4 роки тому +40

    Also, Mr. Centipede calls the pirate captain a “skelington” which is Jack’s last name. He then says “jackpot” as he tries to leave with the compass. The skeleton captain makes the same exact scary face Jack does at the townmeeting.

    • @kyripiro224
      @kyripiro224 2 роки тому

      Yes that's a Jack Skellington cameo but I personally think that if there's any lore with the Jack cameo, then Jack was either convinced to cameo in the movie or that was one of his scares lol

    • @undeadneko20gaming25
      @undeadneko20gaming25 Рік тому

      If we’re talking about the James and the giant peach that’s not a Tim Burton film

    • @ElizabethMarin2551
      @ElizabethMarin2551 Рік тому

      Yep o saw it the exact same one. Besides what other movie has a skeleton who looks exactly like Jack

    • @Anonymous30174
      @Anonymous30174 Рік тому

      It was a cameo appearance so no he could have been burned at the stake because of his clothes that makes more sense.

  • @pixelatedtoast
    @pixelatedtoast 3 роки тому +2

    Theres 4 options
    •The skeleton pirate from james in the giant peach (possibly jack sparrow)
    •Headless Horseman
    •Ichabod Crane himself
    •Stingy Jack

  • @ajurassicfan9557
    @ajurassicfan9557 2 роки тому +2

    One problem with that theory. In one of his songs he says he is feared in great Britain and Europe not anything about America where the headless horseman was

  • @akiwinerd4437
    @akiwinerd4437 5 років тому +121

    4:39 anyone else get a sound glitch too?

  • @socialgutbrain7774
    @socialgutbrain7774 6 років тому +27

    My headcanon is that Jack and The Headless Horseman are not the same people. I believe that The Horseman was the former king of Halloween, and Jack was his apprentice at the time. The Horseman gave Jack a bunch of war trivia and knowledge that Jack used later on in his life as the king.

    • @its_bri3671
      @its_bri3671 6 років тому

      Oakley Koelzer I like your take on the theory, but where is the head less horsemen now?

  • @Chnl27
    @Chnl27 2 роки тому +2

    Wat the end of the movie when Jack and Sally are singing Jack is falling in love with his nurse that aided him during the war. It would make sense because Sally knows how to stitch herself back together. Jack had eyes for her after some time injuries that he got during the war.

    • @emmad.176
      @emmad.176 2 роки тому

      A number of people also reckon jack was a performer. Maybe he was a performer, then soldier? And Sally was a nurse present at his death? I reckon Sally might've gotten blown up or chopped up or something, as horrible as that sounds. It makes sense with her sewing herself up.

  • @idontkniw7992
    @idontkniw7992 3 роки тому +1

    I personally thought Jack was the victor from frankenweenie this is why
    In the movie Jack was doing experiments to try to find out what was the meaning of Christmas and victor was doing experiments to bring is dog back from the dead as in the movie he was known as the science genus
    And zero has a shining nose and in frankenweenie lighting bought back sparky back alive if it was the same dog then the lighting might have caused his nose to shine
    And in nightmare before Christmas Jack is surrounded by monsters as in frankenweenie victor accidentally made a monster while doing the experiment again and 4 other monsters were made not by him though but from other classmates that found out what he was doing
    Jack had sang “I am Mr unlucky” well victor was in a near death situation while trying to save sparky again
    Last one victor has a slight resemblance to Jack skeleton I mean even in the afterlife he is wearing the same pants and his face structure is the same as jack

  • @takuknight3598
    @takuknight3598 6 років тому +451

    He might have been Jack the Ripper since they say in the song: Jack might catch you in the back.

    • @conniejenkins8345
      @conniejenkins8345 6 років тому +5

      CrotakuReviews this is what I believe also

    • @aaronlong0831
      @aaronlong0831 6 років тому +16

      Then he'd know of Christmas

    • @tanandalynch9441
      @tanandalynch9441 6 років тому +11

      But Miranda JTR was only known through England. France did not have a Jack the Ripper
      Also newer evidence seems to state Jack the ripper might actually be a mary the ripper

    • @rutavenckeviciene7714
      @rutavenckeviciene7714 6 років тому

      OH

    • @Jester_Jingles
      @Jester_Jingles 6 років тому +2

      Tananda Lynch source?

  • @reidsreeds5365
    @reidsreeds5365 5 років тому +216

    Hey, jack is nowhere near as scary as the tearaway face clown

  • @novepipps
    @novepipps 2 роки тому

    Love your channel

  • @DefHuman
    @DefHuman 2 роки тому +1

    This appeared in my recommended two years after it was posted. The fact I watched nightmare before Christmas last night-

  • @mostar1219
    @mostar1219 6 років тому +3283

    But, hey, that's just a theory

  • @trinitylove-terlecki7969
    @trinitylove-terlecki7969 6 років тому +60

    It would make sense if he was in the war bc he “knocked the bravest of thier feet” the people who fought in the war must have been brave idk if this makes sense but im a huge fan of tim burton

  • @celestemorgan606
    @celestemorgan606 3 роки тому

    This is the video that got my to subscribe!!

  • @the_trans_ferret13
    @the_trans_ferret13 2 роки тому +5

    Actually, me and my friends came up with a theory about Jack: so, we were thinking that Jack WAS Vincent from corpse bride. Ik you might be confused but hear me out: what if after he died, he didnt remember most things from when he was alive, just the subtle details. And because he had been to the land of the dead before, maybe thats why he became Jack Skellington when he actually died. And I think that Jack loves Sally because she reminds him in a subtle way of the woman Victor married, I forgor her name. Plus, like you said, they both have a very fond thunking of dogs. And I think Victor and Jack do have many similarities making me believe my theory: they are both very slim, very cunning, and great fighters. If you think this theory may be true, please let me know. I wanna see if anyone agrees with me.

  • @jeditoadproductions4060
    @jeditoadproductions4060 6 років тому +1683

    Wait isn’t Jack against murder in the movie Oggie Boggie is the only murderer and Jack seems against it.

    • @KILLKING110
      @KILLKING110 6 років тому +234

      maybe jack did it then found out the aftermath sucks and that's why he's against it

    • @gajeeltheirondragonslayer2742
      @gajeeltheirondragonslayer2742 6 років тому +61

      maybe he was against it after he found out

    • @REBDful
      @REBDful 6 років тому +83

      It could have been remorse for the life take by him

    • @oregonstatefan363
      @oregonstatefan363 6 років тому +1

      JEDI TOAD I

    • @jackarrow2129
      @jackarrow2129 6 років тому +62

      JEDI TOAD true, but do you remember that there were rumors that icabob was still alive and we actualy see him in the end. The whole "headless hourseman will kill you" could have been an act

  • @TickedOffPriest
    @TickedOffPriest 6 років тому +613

    It is possible the doctor was the one who made a new head for Jack.

    • @spineldinrebrick9882
      @spineldinrebrick9882 6 років тому +6

      maybe

    • @jbadboy6215
      @jbadboy6215 6 років тому +7

      TickedOff Priest Na his head just became a skull when he died and his skin stripped off!

    • @stevensanchez1192
      @stevensanchez1192 6 років тому +25

      J Badboy The headless horse man's head was blown off by a cannon ball, those thing can shatter a skull dude. Maybe the doctor did create his head, just like how he created those skeleton reindeer.

    • @spineldinrebrick9882
      @spineldinrebrick9882 6 років тому +19

      What if jack's head was made by the doctor, but what if the same cannon ball was used to make it?!

    • @octaviusroosevelt7355
      @octaviusroosevelt7355 6 років тому +6

      Raiden Rebrick Then that would be interesting. Unlikely, but it would be cool.

  • @ss11733
    @ss11733 2 роки тому +4

    Not necessarily true: he could have amnesia about his life, which is a common trope in movies

    • @emmad.176
      @emmad.176 2 роки тому

      That's what I thought too. Also, being that he's so theatrical, could he have been an actor, performer or a director? He also gives me eccentric rich man vibes.

  • @adriannacabrera9013
    @adriannacabrera9013 3 роки тому +2

    I love jack he’s the pumpkin king and he’s adorable ❤️

  • @gachabriisawolf9308
    @gachabriisawolf9308 5 років тому +51

    Well, maybe he wasnt the headless horseman. But a soldier in the American Revolution, got shot and he maybe died in fear, thus, he wants to scare others so the other people can feel the same way he did. It makes sense to.

    • @kyoto3695
      @kyoto3695 5 років тому

      That's stupid

    • @ilikestuff5188
      @ilikestuff5188 5 років тому +2

      Though I do respect your theory it doesn't really make sense I mean in the begging of movie when Jack came out of the well we can see that before there was a pumpkin head burning while dancing which can explain how he died (burned alive) also when he sings his solo (Jack's Lament) he says, "I'll scare you out of your pants" and he was known throughout England and France which can mean he could have been some sort of person that would scare people (I don't know the name of what that would be called back then) but that's what I think.

  • @cartermorgan3751
    @cartermorgan3751 5 років тому +277

    at 4:38 the sound cuts out....odes anyone else have that problem or is it just me?

    • @luvinlandon
      @luvinlandon 5 років тому

      No

    • @poweredbymoonlight9869
      @poweredbymoonlight9869 5 років тому +1

      happens to me every time i watch it

    • @HeartzieHearts
      @HeartzieHearts 5 років тому

      It happens to everyone at all times.

    • @vd9032
      @vd9032 5 років тому

      Same

    • @eweiser20
      @eweiser20 5 років тому

      Phantom Meyers I noticed it too. The audio cuts off at 4:40 then comes back at 4:50

  • @julian-ob2vh
    @julian-ob2vh 3 роки тому +1

    I think he was jack from pirates of the caribbean because he was found in a ship under the sea in james in the giant peach with a compass and jack sparrow had a compass that was really important to him

  • @thomasdecataldo2674
    @thomasdecataldo2674 2 роки тому +1

    I think Jack is Ichabod Crane because they are both very, very tall. Also, when Jack enters Halloween town on the straw horse in the beginning he is dressed as the Headless Horseman!

  • @nikkinoivern4392
    @nikkinoivern4392 6 років тому +120

    also at the start of nbc, when he swallowed fire, he was riding a hay horse, and had a pumpkin head, like the headless man on the horse uses pumpkins

    • @waterwaifu612
      @waterwaifu612 6 років тому

      nikkinoivern you mean the headless horseman

    • @fmwhornsey
      @fmwhornsey 6 років тому

      also, the way most people think jack died was he died by being burned alive so his skin came of and he became a skelleton and also when he swallows fire he acts wat happene wen he died only im pretty sure wen he actually died he wouldn't just swallow fire because who would? ;-;

  • @goodnight3185
    @goodnight3185 6 років тому +360

    Hmm.. the scariest monster was human..

  • @dennythesavage
    @dennythesavage Рік тому +1

    Frankenweenie, Corpse Bride, James and the Giant Peach, and A Nightmare before Christmas are all about the same character in different time lines.

  • @ReturnOf2008
    @ReturnOf2008 3 роки тому +1

    I just watched Tim Burton’s Sleepy Hollow film - Jack Skellington could have totally been that Ichabod Crane!!!!

  • @angelam.7267
    @angelam.7267 4 роки тому +68

    The guy in the wheelchair creeped me out the most

    • @ERJones-fd6oh
      @ERJones-fd6oh 3 роки тому +7

      the Mad scientist? he is pretty creepy

    • @suzannewilson2821
      @suzannewilson2821 3 роки тому +4

      Dr Finkelstein

    • @angelam.7267
      @angelam.7267 3 роки тому

      Yes

    • @vimoe
      @vimoe 3 роки тому +1

      Yeah, I believe his death was that he tried inspecting his brain himself so he cut his head open?

    • @diaryofasewercat
      @diaryofasewercat 3 роки тому +1

      @@vimoe nope. He was poisoned. This explains why his only affect to Sally poisoning him was falling asleep for a while.

  • @makenziwheeler2565
    @makenziwheeler2565 5 років тому +328

    Not a theory about Jack.. But about zero. Okay.... Zero was actually Sparky from Frankenweenie before he died. Then he was Scraps from corpse bride. Then of course he becomes Zero.
    Now my theory about Jack is that all of the dog owners from all those movies are the same person!!!! In Frankenweenie that was him as a little boy. Then he becomes Victor in corpse bride. And then Jack. I understand they all have different names but that is because once Victor got older he moved away from his friends an wanted to start over... So he changed his name to Victor. When he died he went to Halloween Town and he didn't want anyone to recognize/remember him.

    • @Xolito505
      @Xolito505 5 років тому +4

      Kenzi Hex. Seems fitting

    • @Xolito505
      @Xolito505 5 років тому +3

      Kenzi Hex I had this exact theory bro

    • @makenziwheeler2565
      @makenziwheeler2565 5 років тому +5

      Yeah it makes sense

    • @renbiscotti1514
      @renbiscotti1514 5 років тому +28

      But isn't frankenweenie more present then the corpse bride? He couldn't have gone back in time to grow up

    • @diobrando7957
      @diobrando7957 5 років тому +9

      that theory was debunked

  • @FantasticHazelFox
    @FantasticHazelFox 2 роки тому +6

    4:39 why is this part silent?! Who did Jack murder?!

  • @pinkushatejar
    @pinkushatejar 6 місяців тому +1

    My theory: Jack Skellington is the pirate Calico Jack.
    1, Jack appears as the captain of the ghost ship James runs into in the icy waters.
    2, "Calico" Jack Rackham died in 1720, before modern Christmas practices in the 19th century.
    3, After Calico Jack was executed, his body was left in an iron gibbet for possibly years, his skeleton was on display for a very long time.
    4, Calico clothing of the time very strongly favored stripes, which Skellington wears
    5, They even have the same name lmao

  • @Gufa_Norsejester
    @Gufa_Norsejester 5 років тому +234

    He seems to suit the Irish legend stingy Jack who tricked the devil multiple times. Who wasn't allowed into heaven but also the devil wouldn't collect his soul. Where he carved a turnip to hold the candle the devil gave him to light his path as the devil felt pitty on him. Seems to suit the character and reasoning explaining limbo in this

    • @moongirl786
      @moongirl786 5 років тому +8

      Yeah, Jack o' Lantern

    • @darui8536
      @darui8536 5 років тому

      Yeah that's what I thought

    • @Jaxx_409
      @Jaxx_409 5 років тому +4

      That's my theory too, I think Jack represents Stingy Jack who lead to the jack-o-lantern which is why Jack is the pumpkin king

    • @HaleyGrant01
      @HaleyGrant01 5 років тому +2

      Steamy Nerd as an Irish person, I’m delighted to know that other people know and remember that legend!!

    • @Gufa_Norsejester
      @Gufa_Norsejester 5 років тому +1

      @@HaleyGrant01 i love legends like that i am a Halloween fanatic. I love these things! There fantastic & undeniably intresting!

  • @justsomeonewhopopsupeveryw1444
    @justsomeonewhopopsupeveryw1444 5 років тому +201

    Jack Skellington was burned alive

    • @BruhSW
      @BruhSW 5 років тому

      skeleton*

    • @cantanhamslam5863
      @cantanhamslam5863 5 років тому +55

      “ Skellington “ is correct.

    • @jaylinlake-garcia6022
      @jaylinlake-garcia6022 5 років тому

      I know right?!

    • @glam4663
      @glam4663 5 років тому

      Yes

    • @squareup.thensleep
      @squareup.thensleep 4 роки тому +3

      @@BruhSW sir its skellington like she said dont be a smart kid and correct people if you dont know what your talkong about!

  • @c3sc0as
    @c3sc0as Рік тому +1

    I’ve always thought Jack was Jack Sparrow. He was a pirate in James and the Giant Peach and the reason he’s all bones is because like in Pirates one his curse caused him to lose his skin.

  • @ohmeowzer1
    @ohmeowzer1 2 роки тому

    Loved this Ty

  • @hatsunemiku1637
    @hatsunemiku1637 4 роки тому +34

    Jack died from being burned alive. When someone is Burt alive their skellington are the only thing that is left. Their is proof In the opening song, Jack sets himself on fire then jumps in the water, and turns into Jack the skellington.

    • @BunniRabbi
      @BunniRabbi 3 роки тому +2

      Skeleton, not Skellington. Jack is a skeleton. His name is Jack Skellington. Skellington is a surname (as in 'of the town of Skelling'). They chose his last name because it sounds like skeleton.

    • @-arymause-2809
      @-arymause-2809 3 роки тому +1

      @@BunniRabbi I’m pretty sure they were tryna make a pun

    • @thegreeter7027
      @thegreeter7027 3 роки тому +1

      @@BunniRabbi there was also a theory that Jack was Jack The Ripper

    • @BunniRabbi
      @BunniRabbi 2 роки тому

      @@thegreeter7027 Interesting. How did that go?

  • @ericowen5305
    @ericowen5305 4 роки тому +41

    I love this theory! Though I always believed that Jack was something like a miscarriage, dead since birth. All he knows is Halloween and that's why Christmas is so strange to him

  • @Myriako
    @Myriako 2 роки тому

    Thank you for this video ! 😊💐

  • @lisaanderson1695
    @lisaanderson1695 Рік тому +1

    I think this is a little too deep. I think Jack is the *idea* of death, the *idea* of a skeleton. The fact that he's dead inside doesn't mean he was ever alive. As for when Santa became a thing, I think the holiday forest is outside of time.

  • @lorilosey6920
    @lorilosey6920 3 роки тому +18

    I dont think it matters who Jack was when he was alive, because I love jack for who he is now..the king of Halloween.

  • @eiraedogawa3598
    @eiraedogawa3598 4 роки тому +198

    Jack is the "leader" of Halloween, just like Santa Claus is the "leader" of Christmas.

    • @dragonwolf_fang837
      @dragonwolf_fang837 3 роки тому +3

      Krampus (jk) orrr...

    • @Isabelle-Cassels
      @Isabelle-Cassels 3 роки тому +9

      Jesus is the "leader" of Christmas. But I do get what your saying.

    • @miriamambriz-mendez4138
      @miriamambriz-mendez4138 2 роки тому +10

      @@Isabelle-Cassels Christmas is a pagan holiday

    • @megalisa830bright6
      @megalisa830bright6 2 роки тому +1

      Yeah! Exactly! Jack Skellington is the leader of Halloween Town, just like Santa Claus is the leader of Christmas Town! ^_^

    • @nicholasanderson3220
      @nicholasanderson3220 2 роки тому

      @@miriamambriz-mendez4138 unmmmm no....the holiday that the Romans celibated was... Christmas it's self has always been to celebrate the birth of Jesus......pls read up on history before commenting otherwise it just makes you look foolish

  • @havenberger2301
    @havenberger2301 2 роки тому +1

    Hear me out in Sleepy Hollows Ichabod Crane was said to have been burned by a flaming pumpkin, but they never proved that Ichabod was killed. The pumpkin could have burned off his skin. But it is also said that the horseman took Ichabod back to hell with him. So maybe Ichabod when taken back to hell killed the headless horseman and then was given the option to go to Holloween Town since he was still not satisfied. So when the movie starts and it shows Jack with a pumpkin on his head maybe the straw horse he is riding is a way of mocking the headless horseman. So every year he rides the straw horse with a flaming pumpkin head as a way to get revenge. It's a stretch but you never know.

  • @zuzukris4952
    @zuzukris4952 2 роки тому

    It’s a great theory and makes a lot of sense!