Kung Fu Panda 4 Is Disappointing.
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Kung Fu Panda 4 has finally arrived, and there were some big promises that were made for this film. The Dragon Warrior was supposed to face his most heinous villain yet, The Chameleon, all of Po’s past enemies (Tai Lung, Lord Shen, and General Kai) were all returning in some way, and we were told Po would ascend to become the Spiritual Leader of the Valley of Peace. Zhen and Po were supposedly going to go the most epic adventure yet, but did we really get that? Unfortunately, I don't think so.
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I hated making this video.
This was supposed to be an ending explained video, but by the time I was through writing it, I realized it was more of an overview of my thoughts of the movie. I could call it a movie review formally in the title, but I don't know.
I just wanted to get some of these thoughts out concisely before I start breaking down all of the subjects I brought up in this video one by one. I didn't even dive into the Staff of Wisdom or all of my thoughts on Tai Lung's relationship with Po!
This year though I'm trying to be more honest, upfront, and transparent with my thoughts on the subject matter I'm discussing, and this is unfortunately an example of that.
But just because Kung Fu Panda 4 disappointed me, that doesn't mean you can't enjoy it. I want you to be able to have fun with things!
I don't want to add to the noise and be a megaphone for hate. I desperately wanted to love Kung Fu Panda 4! I just couldn't hold back that truth about how I felt.
Let me know what you thought of the video! I'm always open to constructive feedback!
Of course, thanks for watching, and I hope you have a magical day! 🐼
Thanks For making this! Have a magical day ❤❤❤🐼🐼🐼🐼
Understandable
I saw it just two days ago and personally thought it was ok and dreamworks should do better with the next two KFP films heck to be honest they should fire the director of this film and get the other director who did the other three films since they know what they were doing with the franchise.
This movie was great. Zhen and chameleon are the best parts of the movie. I can somewhat understand your opinion, but this movie wasn’t really supposed to be that big. It’s the first movie in a new trilogy. The first movie in a trilogy is never that big, it sets up a bigger picture for the future.
Get over your self the movies.fine stop acting.like.this.wad.some big.injustice it wasn't meamt.to.be the nest of.the.series.or.to out.shine.tje.rest.it.was.meant.to.move a.six.part.story forward and.it did just wait for.the rest.of the story to be told before acting so hurt
Po: passed the title of Dragon Warrior to an unknown thief.
Tigress: Am I a joke to you?
Dreamworks: Yes you are, thats why you only appear in end credits scene
At some point dream works needs a furious five tv series or movie make the tigress movie.
That thief kinda feels like awkwkfina's self insert
The fact a thief is given that role is horrible.
Exactly what I'm thinking 😢
Shen : *commits genocide*
Chameleon : *pushes someone through the stairs*
😭
Honestly, I think the Chameleon pushing someone down the stairs was a good idea, the execution of it was terrible. What would’ve been better would have been the Chameleon grabbing someone and then throwing them down the stairs. It would’ve made her look more threatening.
😂
Also
Tai Lung: escapes an inescapable prison
Kai: steals the Qi of every master in China
HOW DID WE GET TO THE MOST PERFECT VILLAIN EVER TO "pushes man down the stairs teehee" 😭 istg we have failed at doing villains correctly
Man, I’m really disappointed that tigress wasn’t appointed as the dragon warrior. She had more experience than Po and had a much deeper connection than that random fox thief.
Agreed
I think picking tigress or the rando for thief isn't the main issue. At the end, it is that unpredictability which I love that they follow from Oogway and Po.
Tigress, despite not having the dragon warrior title can still make her name. And she can prove herself like shifu did. So even if Po doesn't appoint her, it wouldn't be a big thing. (Of cuz if he picked her, I would be happy too)
Dragon warrior, I think it is based on being in line with the universe or have that experience like no other understanding people and to the experience of universe. So picking that fox wasn't a big deal.
However, the way it took oogway 100 yrs? 1000 yrs? to pick a dragon warrior but suddenly shifu just throw him a choosing ceremony? I felt like it would have been better if they had build on connection as you say and that when po knew, he wanted to choose a new dragon warrior. Like how oogway did it naturally. Not him just picking a dragon warrior just like that
But... I agree at the same time!
Absolutely, she's a perfect fit for the role
Which is why she would never be Po's successor, you pass legacy to the younger generation, not the older one, connection is also kinda irrelevant, just like how it was irrelevant when Oogway chose Po above anyone in the 5
How to ruin a movie
1)Have Akwafina
2)Make villains motive dumb
3)Not have the OG director
Edit: 700 likes is crazy
Edit 2: I have started a war :/
Awkwafina was in the Bad Guys and Crazy Rich Asians and several other films and they did fine. Awkwafina is an acquired taste, if you put her in the right role she can be good but she’s often so typecast to the point that she’s just playing herself.
Awkwafina's character was pretty good tbh, Mike Mitchell just ruined the villain and the story
@@ArcticWolf00Alpha0same thoughts
@@addictedtofauna3838I didn’t have a problem with her character it was just the story and the villian that I had a major problem with!
@@ArcticWolf00Alpha0she doesn't fit every role, she's good for movies with less depth and more entertainment but kung fu panda ain't it
One of my biggest fears has come true. And it's that Puss in Boots 2 wasn't a sign of a new direction for DreamWorks, it was an anomaly.
I never expected Dreamworks to ever change in a “new direction”. Because the company was always hit or miss for their movies quality.
I find it annoying when people just say “Dreamworks is going in a new direction”. “Their movies will be better from now on”. And they always say that for very recently good movies. Not even waiting if it’ll be consistent. Or even looking at their history.
But hey, I bet The Wild Robot will be Dreamworks better movie for 2024. The trailer’s already one of the best I’ve ever seen. Just hope that applies to the film too. But people must understand an entire company isn’t responsible for the whole quality of a film.
There’s several people separated into different crews for different movies. That’s why not all of them are going to be so consistent. Especially in a company we’re half are good at their job, and the other half aren’t.
They're gonna ruin Shrek 5 I can already see it
Cant wait to see the live action How to train your dragon -_- *sighs*
Dreamworks was known for having sh*t movies and some gems ,puss in boots two was one if those gems
The only DreamWorks consistency is their inconsistency
I am so disappointed that they brought back Lord Shen and he does not speak. I mean there was so much potential. Heck, they had a whole subplot of Po’s panda dad learning to be brave, what is braver than facing the peacock who attacked your village, was responsible for killing your friends, family and wife and the reason you were separated from your son for years. An interaction between them would have been golden.
And Kai as well.
And Kai too.
The worst part is that even PO doesn’t even acknowledge him. The guy murdered his clan, his mom for crying out loud .
At the end of the film shen even bows to Po. What? Why? Why would shen the person who was never redeemed bow to po? It’s like h!tler going to a United Nations conference and everyone acts nonchalantly
What I had thought of the final act vs what we got was umm yeah not even close 😂
@@60bangz😂 for real.
First thing Tai Lung did on screen was break out of prison and kill all the guards.
Lord Shen, commits panda genocide.
General Kai, takes Oogway's chi.
First thing the Chameleon does: Pushes someone down a bunch of stairs. And they survive. And Shifu already did that to Po in yhe first one. At that to her morals making no sense when you remember Mantis exists and you have the weakest KFP villain yet.
Right? I completely agree. It feels like what Miles Morales said: she’s a “villain of the week”.
@@IsaacCarlson*The. **Motive. Curse you autocorrect.
And yes, she's better suited for the Legends of Awesomeness series honestly. No disrespect to that show.
@@DanGamingFan2846I def agree she feels more like a TV show villain of the week than an actual villain that should be on the big screen
Different part of china ?
Pretty sure mantis was trained by shifu so that doesn't apply since he... Well, he met shifu and not someone else
@@muguiwaranoboy2542 what about master chicken?
chameleon should have acted like an actual chameleon causing doubt and impersonating as po’s friends and family making po unsure of who he can trust or not or pretending to be po and destroy his reputation. I also wanted shifu to see “tai lung” and shifu getting mad when he realises that someone stole tai lung kung fu or impersonating him not to mention kai and shen had no voice lines i also wanted shen to see po’s father and i kinda wanted to see the thundering rhino again the one who got killed by shen
I´ve got a counter-proposal.
Ditch Zhen. Instead, make the Chamaleon someone who wants to learn Kung Fu just like Po in KFP1, Po decides to take her in and she proves an unmatched prodigy, Po is very happy and enthusiastic to the point of being blinded by his pride for her and her abilities, this starts to drive a wedge between the Furious Five who warn him of the danger along with Shifu as things continue to deteriorate.
Po finally heeds the warning of Shifu but by then it is too late, the Chamaleon won´t listen to her master and her lust for knowledge is ever growing. Now the furious five and even Shifu are outmatched. Only Po can stop her now... roll credits, congratulations you´ve set another sequel up.
The beauty of this setup is how it mirrors Shifu and Tai Lung, but while overbearing expectations and harshness forged Tai Lung the villain. Po´s easy going attitude and carelessness let a candle grow into a house fire.
There´s just so much you can do, instead of going big generic evil villain tries to conquer the world. Like we had with Kai or what we´ve got here.
Man, what a waste.
@@pablolonniepachecomaldonad9184 that's a cool idea!
@@pablolonniepachecomaldonad9184 Shen also wanted to take over China. THE DIFFERENCE, is that he had DEPTH.
Not cool bro
@@pablolonniepachecomaldonad9184Po selecting the wrong person sounds a bit dubious to me. He is not as wise as Oogway of course, but the dragon warrior is still the dragon warrior isn't he?
Kung fu panda 4 feels like a tv special that plays on nickelodeon every now and then, what a shame
At least with kung fu panda did have a Nickelodeon series believe it or not.
Yes I feel so when I'm watching KFP 4
@@theshenpartei
And it was decent.
It had some bad episodes, but it also had good ones too.
And it introduced some interesting characters and villains.
Some of which I wish were made canon to the main universe.
Like the croc bandits, Temutai, Taotai, etc.
And especially Peng.
Although his existence in the main canon WOULD complicate things a bit.
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The chameleon has the quality of one of the episode villains from one of the Kung Fu Panda tv series. It's even too low for a tv special.
Honestly the chameleon feels like it had so much potential but her origin of beign too "small"... Mantis would like a Word on the matter
Heck tong fo might be the same size as her if not bigger.
I think her backstory should have involved her being a sorcerer. Maybe shes trying to steal the skills of kung fu masters with her magic to prove the dominance of magic or something
It's really idiotic that her main reason for stealing the masters Kung Fu and being a villain is for "being small",when we have literally Mantis over here,who is a freaking insect and knows Kung Fu.
It would have been better if her background had been that she came out of a family of sorcerers,who didn't want to do anything with it. She was learning Kung Fu, but she wasn't good at it. Her teacher told her that if they didn't see any kind of improvement, then sadly they would stop teaching her,then one day while she was trying to save one of the top students from a accident,she accidentally took their Kung Fu,and when she realized that she could now fight like them after absorbing their Kung Fu,she started to "borrow" the rest of the students Kung Fu in secret and her teacher saw how fast she had improved,to fast, for someone who has always struggled learning basic steps,she was top in the class until she was caught stealing another student's KungFu,she was banned to ever do Kung Fu ever again,and enraged for the "injustice" she swore that she will steal the Kung Fu of every Master's in existence possess and be the greatest Kung Fu Master alive.
Or something like that,her reason for being a villain because "she is small" just doesn't work in the KFP universe. It just doesn't.
@@PA071N3 you should've been hired
Honestly, I would have written Chamelon like this. A sorcerer, who tried to learn Kung Fu, but never saw improvement. She was always told her Kung Fu was flawed and bad. Then, she took the easy way. She copied the stronger students, the way she copies the villains. The difference being, she would add just 1 more thing. One more thing to be superior to their Kung Fu and surpass it.
As of that, she began thinking that Kung Fu was trash. She could easily just copy anyone and add a little touch to it, and voila, she was better than them.
This however, is not what Kung Fu is in Kung fu panda. Kung Fu is about originality, that's litterally what the 1st and 3rd movie was about. The 1st taught us that Po had his own style (well everyone in the furious 5 did), he had to be trained differently. 3rd movie, he himself comes to that conclusion, and the Pandas all learn Kung Fu, but in a way that utilitzes their talents, like the dancer using nunchucks, the kids learning how to use fireworks as soccer balls, or the hug guy basicly being a grappler. All were taught a style they could best utilize. The Chameleon has no original style, which goes against the very concept of Kung Fu in this series. That's way better than "I was called too smol, oh boy, sad wittle me" when MANTIS exists
I also full heartedly agree that Po seeking out and choosing his successor should have been solely HIS own self made decision rather than Shifu practically forcing that decision upon him which yeah… this has always been the problem I’ve had with Shifu
Yeah he should do that but when he's old like oogway was when he choose po
@@impackmusiq5236 i wouldn’t say Po waits until he’s old but maybe rewrite it that Po gets hurt during his fight with the Stingray like he sprains his ankle or something like that and THAT’S what makes Po reevaluate his vulnerability and mortality like what if he gets more severely injured and put of commission or even killed? And then He goes to seek out and choose his successor as The Dragon Warrior.
@@carolinedisalvatore9768 it would makes sense for po in his young stage to be very powerful having him get injured this young would make him look weak he's supposed to be stronger than oogway shifu and the 5 it would make sense for him to be the universes champion until his old age like oogway on his own term and passing the torch would make sense since po can't fight anymore literally
Hello.
I agree to a certain degree. For example shifu did a good job up until kung fu 3, always telling the Direction to the Next step of po's Journey, but Im kfp 4 he forces this to him, like it could been diferent instead of what we got
One idea that I would think would have worked better is if the Chameleon hunted down the Furious Five and took their Kung Fu and use their Kung Fu against Po. That way we could have seen more of the Furious Five in the movie and Po would have had to fight his best friends. The Five have never had a villain that's directly related towards them (aside from Tai Lung and who would get the dragon scroll). Po, Shifu and Oogway each had a villain with a backstory but the Five haven't. The Chameleon could have had a backstory about how maybe she wasn't good enough to be a part of the Five or have had some backstory with them. That could have given Chameleon more depth in character.
So before there was Furious Six with Po, there was a Furious Six with Chameleon. I like it!
This is my idea for Chameleon
A sorcerer, who tried to learn Kung Fu, but never saw improvement. She was always told her Kung Fu was flawed and bad. Then, she took the easy way. She copied the stronger students, the way she copies the villains. The difference being, she would add just 1 more thing. One more thing to be superior to their Kung Fu and surpass it.
As of that, she began thinking that Kung Fu was trash. She could easily just copy anyone and add a little touch to it, and voila, she was better than them.
This however, is not what Kung Fu is in Kung fu panda. Kung Fu is about originality, that's litterally what the 1st and 3rd movie was about. The 1st taught us that Po had his own style (well everyone in the furious 5 did), he had to be trained differently. 3rd movie, he himself comes to that conclusion, and the Pandas all learn Kung Fu, but in a way that utilitzes their talents, like the dancer using nunchucks, the kids learning how to use fireworks as soccer balls, or the hug guy basicly being a grappler. All were taught a style they could best utilize. The Chameleon has no original style, which goes against the very concept of Kung Fu in this series. That's way better than "I was called too smol, oh boy, sad wittle me" when MANTIS exists
@@w1nther930 heck go with my idea and make the chameleon a skinwalker.
@@theshenpartei Would add more. Atleast make her name more badass than "The chameleon" and maybe say "The shapeshifter"
@@w1nther930 Personally I think they could’ve also made a character growth moment in the movie about Shifu forcing Po to find a successor, when it could’ve played out as Shifu attempting to force Po into training someone to follow in his footsteps, and be the next dragon warrior, and then have him grow to realize both through his (Shifu’s) interactions with Tai Lung again and maybe some spirit world magic with Oogway that there won’t be another dragon warrior, that Po will find a different and new successor, so that Po doesn’t repeat the same mistakes as Shifu did by assuming someone should be the next dragon warrior, and instead train people to be their own person, which would also contrast nicely with some other ideas people put here for chameleons origins being that of copying others to get better. Furthermore, it would also tie every lesson from the previous movies. All in one nice little B plot for shifu.
Tai Lung: *Tests Po’s physical prowess*
Shen: *Test's Po’s mental prowess*
Kai: *Tests Po's spiritual prowess*
Chameleon: *Tests nothing audience's patience*
Her motivation makes no sense and the most evil thing she does, Shifu already did to Po in the first movie. She can have the combined power of all the villains, but she's undoubtedly the weakest of the franchise.
Heck they should have just brought back the wu sisters instead of the chameleon since they are more interesting than the chameleon or should have written her character more interesting than what we got in the final product.
Maybe the rewrite could be challenging po’s morality. Challenging zoo fundamentally.
@@joshuahecht6866yes
@@theshenpartei Who?
@@makinyoumad9498the wu sisters they were the baddies that masters ox,croc and rhino stopped in secrets of the masters short film
Tai Lung not being a main character and getting a full story was a SLAP in our faces!
It was more of a nerve punch than a slap. See what I did there.
@@theshenparteiI see
@@randoyt3 yep and considering some people including myself want DreamWorks to cut all ties with Mike Mitchell and just bring back the og crew from the past three movies.
@@theshenparteiWho's Mike Mitchell
@@cjgamer6356 the director of this disappointing film
The Chameleon felt like one member of a quirky villain group. Shapeshifting powers, cool design, and a random single sentence backstory. I could see her losing to one of the Furious Five while Po and the others climatically defeat their own opponents.
Chameleon: I became a villain because they can't teach me due to me being small.
Mantis: am I joke to you?
It's like whoever was in charge of this movie went: "Hey, let's take the first three movies... AND DO NONE OF THAT! Kung Fu Panda 4!"
Mike Mitchell, everybody, that’s the guy.
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@@EverythingAndAnythingGoes24 The executives choose this guy over the Co-Director who actually had some good ideas because he had more "experience". Yeah, experience in turning movies into total dissapointments.
I hope they sack Mike Mitchell
Mike after watching the trilogy 💀
What's sad is that the co director wanted this movie to be more like 1st and 2nd one's bit wasn't allowed to since the main director had the control.
Ah, so the real villain is the main director :/
@@kaputt_jay3873well considering the director did previous work was Alvin and the chipmunks it says something. They should have just let the director of the other three films take charge and they know what they did and how to handle the story of po’s saga.
I mean let's just agree on the fact that all three movies are the same in a way but not all movies that have a franchise is gonna be the same as the original movies
Yeah, they better not bring Mike Mitchell back for the movies.
@@coldandstinky3485make your voice heard people and tell DreamWorks to bring back the people who worked on the other three films to helm the fifth and sixth films. Amen to that.
Tigeres deserved to be dragon warrior
it's a man's world
I have millions of questions from this movie, the biggest one being , how in the world, the evilest of evil Villains, shen and kai bowed to po and happily went back to spirit realm??
Whats in the spirit realm, a strip club or something?
Yep. That was the most Out-of-character moment in this movie so far. I didn't buy that at all. Not even fanfics would came up to that idea that Shen and Kai would bow to Po like that and that they happily accept that their place is in the spirit realm now. It's to absurd.
Kai didn’t really have a personal beef with po and more with beef with oogway so I could sorta understand he made peace with po. Plus po at least remember who Kai was and Kai just wanted his chi
Shen on the other hand is a total panda racism so bowing to po feels so out of place
It would be better tho if po freed tai lung, Shen, and Kai, put aside their differences (and panda racism), and stop the chameleon together (who wasn’t really all that powerful tho)
You had me at "strip club."
@@Armor23OnPatrol Remember what Kai said though: "It took me 500 hundred years to get Oogway’s chi, I’ll take yours even if it takes me another 500 years!" (Roughly something like that) It very much seems like Kai would not accept his fate
You know it wasn't so good when Isaac Carlsen says it was disappointing. But it wasn't really bad.
EXACTLY!
FRR
To me it was ok. Should have it have been better yes absolutely but I don’t think it was the worst for the franchise. DreamWorks should do better with the next film and bring back the original person who handled the other three films since they know what they were doing.
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All cool opinions
And honestly Po is better off as the Dragón Warrior, they Will not let him go. SO instead of passing the torch it would be Best if he shared it
I agree it's just sad how it over and it over to a fox, and that now she's the main focus 😢
Tai Lung: Kills a thousand people just to escape prison, and beats the Furious Five and Shifu with ease.
Lord Shen: Commits panda genocide, takes over Gongman City with his wolf army, and also beats the Furious Five.
Kai: Steals people’s chi, turning them into obedient zombified minions, and beats most of the Furious Five (save for Tigress), Shifu, and even Oogway!
Chameleon: Pushes people down the stairs and does literally nothing for most of the movie.
Oh how the mighty have fallen.
Is because the chameleon literally had nothing
Tai lung already has his kung fu
Lord shen already has his cannon
Kai already has his power of chi
The chamaleon had nothing special until she has the staft of oogway and steal all kung fu master including tai lung ,lord shen and kai
Combination of kung fu and sorcery is what make The Chameleon look like villian
Kung Fu Panda used to be a flawless franchise 😢
It can still can be if given in the right hands.
Maybe 5 will be
Someone broke the chain
I love how almost every video talking about this movie has the same exact title.
I know. I was trying to come up with a better way to describe it, but it was just kind of the theme for me.
@@IsaacCarlsonyou're the Best! Thanks For this 😊😊😊❤❤❤
I mean, it’s the truth lol
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The plot itself doesn’t make sense, Oogway choosed Po for two things, because Po was choosen by the universe to be the dragon warrior (something that Tigress and Tai lung wasn’t) and becuase Oogway was in her last years.(And because it wasn’t is destiny)
Maybe the narrative could fix this, but the problem is that the narrative is almost nonexistent
It also doesn't make any sense for Po to look for a successor because he's still too young for that, he's only been a dragon warrior for 8 years, oogway only took on the title when he was already very old
and I think zhen is not a good choice for that
I think there's still a chance for Zhen. Remember Po was a nobody in kung fu when he was chosen as the dragon warrior
@@Prometheus_Altbut shen had much more experience than po at the time
Nope , oogway choose po because he is panda , because oogway saw only the panda who can unite yin and yang based on his past with pandas who save his life
And they could have made a better excuse for him to give up the role because genuinely nowhere in the previous movies was it said he would ever be spiritual master. He was never announced to be that and that was not his destiny. It was the dragon warrior but if they had said do it he could have gotten injured and told shifu it was time because him being forced to kind of goes against everything oogway did
I haven't seen the movie, but if Isaac Carlson, one of if not the most positive person I've ever subscribed to on here, says it's disappointing, that means it's gotta be REALLY disappointing
Not really it's one man's opinion vs everyone else
@@cjgamer6356the movie is a waist man
It's the simple fact that they half-assed this movie. If people enjoy it for what it is and want to watch a funny movie with action, that's perfectly fine. I'm happy for everyone who liked it. But for many of the fans who have been waiting over eight years for the next instalment, we know that DreamWorks can do a lot better. Fire the new director. The guy who directed Trolls and the Boss Baby was an immediate red flag and should not have been anywhere close to this beloved franchise. Bring back Jennifer Yuh Nelson and Stephanie Mastine, as they knew what they were doing. Hell, bring back Guillermo del Toro while they're at it. He's the reason KFP2 ended up being as great as it was. Bring back the Furious Five, deeper storytelling, better writing for the characters and villain, etc. The fact that they cheaped out and did _nothing_ with Tigress of all characters (after her being absent for two streaming shows in a row, btw) is beyond baffling. They brought back Tai Lung, a character who hasn't been seen for nearly twenty years, just to give him around five minutes of screen time. What were they thinking thinking??
The furious 5 couldn’t be brought in due to the A lost voice actors fees, like for Jolina it was 20mill for jst one line from her.
Yes
@@monsterrateh3685 would Kari Walgren work since she voiced tigress and that is my favorite voice of her and AJ is my second voice.
@@monsterrateh3685 Are you serious? It would cost _that_ much to have _one_ line from her? Can't they just work out another deal for the next couple of movies? You know, plan out the character roles and lines with the actors? Tai Lung and Shifu's actors came back without issue. The Furious Five will apparently have a larger role in KFP5 as well, from what I heard, so how on earth would that work?
If this is what happens to Kung Fu Panda, I am GENUINELY scared for the next Shrek movie
Same :-(
I just want to point out, Tai Lung was the only villain Po skadooshed, Shen was crushed by a cannon, and Kai exploded, I guess?
Further more why is Kai still alive?
At least they unintentionally proved a physics principle of matter can’t be destroyed nor created and expanded upon that principle into spirt realm physics too.
I'd say that Shen was skadooshed, but instead of the wuxi finger hold, it was when Po used the final cannon ball and sent it back to Shen (he said skadoosh before throwing it back) and when the cannon finally fell on Shen it exploded with fireworks. Even though I wanted Kai back in KFP4, it was dumb on how he returned
Shen never had she or kung fu. That was a part of his back story. He should not be in the spirit realm Kai literally died by exploding so the only actual villain that should be alive and there is tai lung
@@shadowfreddyfazbear9453 Shen's death was not from the Cannon ball skadoosh but after he and Po had a one on one battle. So yeah, Shen died physically, Tai Lung was Skadooshed to the spirit realm, and Kai should have not been there because he has already been banished INSIDE the spirit realm.
@@axelgiosido4997 Shen dies when the cannon falls on him when Po and Shen have their one on one Fight
I wanted Tai Lung to become the new dragon warrior and redeem himself, maybe train with Master Oogway and learn to mend his darkness. The fox could still learn kung fu, maybe form another furious five
Master oogway rejected tai lung
She has to learn kung fu but was also able to keep up with Po? Makes no sense. Nothing even makes her that special over anyone in the furious 5.
The fact two of my favorite characters, Tigress being the best Heroine in media, and Shen still remains as the most terrifying villain in the KFP to date is amazing. I utterly loved both of them to this day, yet, we got a downgraded version of them thanks to Zhen ( who in my defense, ruins the entire movie for me and makes me angry for how annoying she is. ) and Chemeleon, I feel disappointed but upset too.
Dude chameleon getting even a single bit of kais power automatically makes her solo everyone there. It took Po his full power dragon formed in the spirit realm to beat him and he was still injured from it. But somehow him and this fox with no fighting skill can magically one shot them. Also, Shen should not be here. He literally doesn't have chi. That's his entire point. He doesn't have Kung Fu or cheese. He got mad about it. His parents didn't like him. He made anti-kungfu weapons being connected to Kung Fu does not mean you automatically go to the spirit realm. Just another point why this movie is bad
Aside from Mitchell initially trying to exclude Shen and the Furious 5 (especially Tigress), and stupidly ditching Shifu's kidnapping and reconciliation with Tai Lung (all due to budgeting) the biggest problem could be the one animation weakness ... short run times. Many movies feel incomplete and rushed and so scenes we'd love to see but never do (EX: Tigress's guilt and apologizing to Po for her earlier behavior, Shifu and Mr. Ping having a talk about being foster fathers, Shifu and Tigress finally having a father-daughter moment, Po and Tigress finishing their boat conversation, the 5 learning what Shen did to the Pandas, Po and Tigress having nightmares post-Gongmen, Tigress adapting well in the Panda Village and reminded how horribly she treated Po with Panda Stereotypes but coming far since then, Tigress and the rest of the 5 declining Po's offer to become Dragon Warrior, etc.). 🐼🐯
Personally they should just kept the people who know how handle po’s story where as Mitchell doesn’t and should be let go. Did he even see the other two films? I even brought up how the five were nearly cut and animators had to step in say otherwise and add them in last minute. Heck that tai lung thing would made the film slightly more enjoyable.
Now it makes me wonder what would the fans remake kung fu panda 4 into a better film.
@@theshenparteiI wouldn’t be surprised if the fans make a full on movie just to show Mike how to make a damn movie! Dreamworks should just fire him! Also Mike decided to make the movie more about jokes than it being serious and he also decided to shorten the runtime from I think it was hitting 2 hours to what we got!
I´ve heard that they were originally going to make Po x Tigress canon at the end of the third movie. Anyone know if that´s true?
Also some of those rejected concepts sound sick, come on Dreamworks...
@@HimekoIzayoi They missed a perfect spot for TiPo when Po was doing his "I don't know who I am" speech to Tigress where Tigress could tell Po she knows who he is: the one who fell I to her life and changed it for the better, the one who showed her there was more to life than Kung Fu, the one who had more in common with her than anyone thought and understands each other the most, and the one who will be by his side no matter what - in life and in death. Po is touched by this but still fears the two of them aren't enough ... until Li Shan declares Po needs an army of his own.
Honestly, I would have written Chamelon like this. A sorcerer, who tried to learn Kung Fu, but never saw improvement. She was always told her Kung Fu was flawed and bad. Then, she took the easy way. She copied the stronger students, the way she copies the villains. The difference being, she would add just 1 more thing. One more thing to be superior to their Kung Fu and surpass it.
As of that, she began thinking that Kung Fu was trash. She could easily just copy anyone and add a little touch to it, and voila, she was better than them.
This however, is not what Kung Fu is in Kung fu panda. Kung Fu is about originality, that's litterally what the 1st and 3rd movie was about. The 1st taught us that Po had his own style (well everyone in the furious 5 did), he had to be trained differently. 3rd movie, he himself comes to that conclusion, and the Pandas all learn Kung Fu, but in a way that utilitzes their talents, like the dancer using nunchucks, the kids learning how to use fireworks as soccer balls, or the hug guy basicly being a grappler. All were taught a style they could best utilize. The Chameleon has no original style, which goes against the very concept of Kung Fu in this series. That's way better than "I was called too smol, oh boy, sad wittle me" when MANTIS exists
Personally I think they could’ve also made a character growth moment in the movie about Shifu forcing Po to find a successor, when it could’ve played out as Shifu attempting to force Po into training someone to follow in his footsteps, and be the next dragon warrior, and then have him grow to realize both through his (Shifu’s) interactions with Tai Lung again and maybe some spirit world magic with Oogway that there won’t be another dragon warrior, that Po will find a different and new successor, so that Po doesn’t repeat the same mistakes as Shifu did by assuming someone should be the next dragon warrior, and instead train people to be their own person, which would also contrast nicely with some other ideas people put here for chameleons origins being that of copying others to get better. Furthermore, it would also tie every lesson from the previous movies. All in one nice little B plot for shifu.
I don’t think I’ve seen anyone mention this, but I think her name is bland. ‘The chameleon’ it sound so uninspired.
At least call her something cool, maybe something like a phrase in Chinese meaning ‘to hide’. Some like Tai lung which I think means ‘dragon’
@@georgebarrett8065 litterally, just call her "the shapeshifter". Problem fixed. Even copycat would be better
The fact that the furious five didn’t get the full screentime as the supporting cast or even got their own spinoff is a double whammy
Hate how the Furious Five have been forgotten about after the original KFP Trilogy? Like where were they in Paws of Destiny, The Dragon Knight and now KFP 4? Po could have easily given The Dragon Warrior role to Tigress instead of Zhen!
They weren’t in Dragon knight. Paws of desinty tigress was mentioned only briefly.
Heck in this film they were almost cut entirely until the animators had to step in and put them in the last minute of the film.
DreamWorks should at very least give the five a tv series or their own movies personally I would so go see a master tigress film.
@@theshenparteiOr their own video game
@@theshenparteiand they didn't even talk. The writer was too much of a cheapskate to buy their voice actors
Or they could have been written out better, such as they wanted to go on their own journeys of self-discovery and/or heal from trauma
That would be a lame movie. And Tigress was already shown to not be good enough for the role, so no reason she'd suddenly be picked now. It'd just be sad she got it handed to her out of pity
Honestly with Kung Fu Panda 4’s mixed reception and the whole Megamind fiasco I really think this should remind people that DreamWorks ISN’T better than Disney
I mean EVERY Film Studio is going to have its share of Good, Bad and Mid movies as well as questionable creative and corporate decisions
Heck I have way more issues with KFP4 than I did with Wish same thing a few years ago where I found more problems with How to train your Dragon The Hidden World than with Frozen II
Now I’m in No way gonna defend all of Disney’s decisions but it still really aggravates me how people continuously harp on them when other Film and TV companies can be just as bad if not worse.
Thank You! Every film studio out there right now can make the same mistakes just as Disney. I mean look at Sony is doing with the SSU.
@@lupitaruiz7605Sony SSU is hot trash 😂
@@lupitaruiz7605what’s ssu?
Just because Dreamworks made a bad and mid movie doesn't make them not better than Disney lmao.
Disney has released nothing but garbage for the past few years. Dreamworks released some genuine bangers. Ergo, Dreamworks is better.
@@littlemoth4956 🙄
I’m not surprised because now movies are not trying now
Money
@@lachlanmaheux3408🤑
@@lachlanmaheux3408 ok, why money?
It’s basically corporate ignoring writers ideas.
@@user-um9mu9yh6p It's what companies like DreamWorks want the most which is why their movies aren't as good nowadays.
They did have a lame excuse for the Furious Five not being in the movie, though they really need to stop making the side characters have such huge voice actors. The reason Monkey barely has any lines throughout the original trilogy is because Jackie Chan is such an expensive voice actor to get into the role, and multiply that by 5, every line they say is costing them lots of money.
What they 'Should' do, is just replace the voice actors with sound-alikes and make them more prominent characters who maybe have their own stories taking center focus in the movies. That way they don't have to worry about 'including more characters and having to worry about splitting screen time among so many new characters that the old ones get shafted'.
Also, as a side note, the first KFP movie stated that they had been waiting a thousand years for the next Dragon Warrior to be selected. Why do they desperately need Po to retire and pick a new one?
... And how the **** is Shen and Kai there? Shen never had 'kung fu chi' and was just normally killed, not sent to the spirit world, and Kai was *exploded* in his spirit form in the spirit world, there is no spirit left to bring back, lol.
You know it’s bad when even Issac says it is
No it doesn't
I still think they should have used a Siberian Tiger as the villain (like imagine a scary tiger like they did with the wolf from Puss in Boots 2). And if I made a Kung fu Panda movie it would be like this:
The Siberian tiger would have a team full of tigers (evil furious five tigers), the tiger would awaken an ancient evil demon, Po needs help and goes to spirit world to get help, Tai Lung decides to help and redeems himself by helping Po. Also have Shifu and Tai Lung fully forgive each other and finally have a bond like father and son type that they once had.
To add it more personal to the story and furious five, one of the evil tigers from the team would be Tigress father.
Again its what I would do if I could make a Kung Fu Panda movie, it would be quite serious tone like Kung Fu Panda 2
Write this fanfic and I'll read and review it!
As a random stranger on the internet I dub this as Kung Fu Panda 4
i accept this as the true KFP4
I’d pay thousands to watch that
In the tv series a team of five snow leopards (I think?) appeared as antagonists.
What bothers me is that Kai himself was supposed to be dead after he was blown up from all the Chi he has been wielding.
Yeah, I was wondering HOW he could be brought back if he was essentially *wiped from existence* at the end of the previous film
Same here.
@@jcrews8582 They should've explained how he was brought back in the film.
I like Tai Lung’s redemption, I think it’s cool how he came to terms with the fact that he will never be the dragon warrior after all those years of being trapped in the spirit realm but it doesn’t make as much sense for Shen and especially Kai (suffered defeat from Po the most recently, and held a grudge for 500 years so it doesn’t make sense why he would just drop it) and it doesn’t really make sense as to why Kai returned anyway since he no longer exists in the spirit realm. Involving the villains in the plot would’ve made a lot more sense if they wanted to give them a redemption, maybe they could’ve escaped the Chameleon before she could take their chi and be forced to work with Po and take down the Chameleon’s army instead of the criminals to allow Po to fight the Chameleon, maybe then it would’ve made more sense for them to have redemption arcs, but that’s just my opinion. I still enjoyed the film but it doesn’t hold up to the original trilogy IMO
I think the biggest problem about Shen and Kai is that the studio doesn't want to pay Gary Oldman and J.K. Simmons to be back for their roles because of money. So it would be too awkward to gave Shen and Kai a bigger role when they not speak. Replacing the stars with other voice actors like you would do in the tv series would make it too obvious and pathetic that a big company like Paramount doesn't want to give the budget to bring back the stars for a big movie. So at the end they reduced Kai and Shen roles in the movie as small cameos so it doesn't noticeable.
I almost wish there was a game adaptation of this movie like the older Kung Fu panda movies just to see if it’s story would be better
Personally an open world kung fu panda game sounds like a cool idea bring it all of the locations from the movies and tv shows as well as the comics.
@@theshenparteiOhh that would be so cool
I want a game where you have your own character idk have more chi based moves whilst learning from po and such
There is no Kung Fu Panda 4 in Ba Sing Se.
boutta get the live action avatar movie treament
@@aff77141another disappointment
There is no Avatar Korra in Ba Sing Se
@@il3fortunato664 but there is in ATLA
Bro said" disappointed,sad and powerless"💀
One thing that helped me about the way Shen acted toward Po, was the thought that maybe Shen met his parents in the Spirit World, and finally found peace. I thought the way Tai Lung was executed in the movie was fine, but I would've appreciated tha along with respect, Tai Lung would've said something like "I still hate you, Panda". That would have been nice. One last thing, I am not even sure that Kai should be alive
What really upsets me about KFP4 is that there was no conclusion between shifu and tai-lung. I really wanted them to have a true reconcile before tai-lung went back to the spirit world and he can be in peace, but sadly it didn’t happen.
And another thing that annoyed me is Zhen becoming the new dragon warrior. Like does she seriously deserves it after she freaking betrayed po??? Yes, she changed her mind and helped po stop the chameleon but that still doesn’t excuse what she did. She really didn’t deserve to take po’s place. If you ask me, it should’ve been tigress since she was the most devoted into becoming the dragon warrior before po took that title.
It’s a shame that this 4th movie was a disappointment, I just hope they do a better job for the 5th movie if dreamworks is still willing to do more kung fu panda until the 6th movie.
Even if she didn't betray po, she still shouldn't have earned the role of dragon Warrior
@@Sprigatitto740 yea. Tigress should’ve been the one to become the new dragon warrior. It’s so unfair because she was the most devoted out of the furious 5.
@@firemiracle Who knows? Maybe Zhen will give up the role of the Dragon Warrior to someone more worthy (Which would make her being the dragon warrior at the end of KFP4 useless but it would make more sense kinda)
@@firemiraclethey had such a great opportunity to redeem tai lung but nah awkwafina sneaks in again, worst decision ever
Lets face it the movie wasnt too good because tai lung didnt get enough spot light
I mean, his return is pointless here since the movie SOMEHOW made him do nothing
@@Khann_2102 That's what i m saying i expected him to do way more
As a tai lung fan, no, his appearance in this film is completely useless and not even necessary. They just made him appear in the film as a fanbait.
What could have been a great premise was zhen was actually the chameleon and po was convinced that that zhen is actually good and willingly gives the staff but after it zhen reveals her true identity
The story felt really rushed
Kung Fu Panda 4 was literally the most confusing sequel I've ever scene in the Franchise, the conflicted issues to the original trilogy are paramount and offer no ingenuity here. Honestly much like other ratings, I would give it a solid 6/10, the only saving graces for the films rushed plot was the cameos. Although the lack of voicing does hurt that area as well. Isaac you've hit this nail on the head although I didn't mind the villains being respectful as it reminds me of No Way Home of the MCU. It is equivalent to that of Pirates of the Caribbean on Stranger Tides, mixed, confusing and strange.
It’s 7/10 for me.
@@theshenpartei Shen at least appeared I'll give them that but I just wanted to hear Oldman play him again.
@@godofgold8084 I know that is why I named my channel after him he is my favorite DreamWorks Bad guy second only to rameses from prince of Egypt. Third is tai lung. Heck they could use a Gary Oldman sound like plus he Oldman was probably being busy playing Truman in a little known movie called Oppenheimer.
@@theshenpartei Yeah, its still a shame, if only a spinoff was made for the villains after, maybe it would make up for the casualties that is the 4th film.
Yeah I'm never ever going to watch this movie but I have to admit the fur textures do look actually really nice
As much as I hated this movie, I’m just happy Ian McShane reprised his role as Tai Lung. So nice hearing his voice again! Wish Kai and Shen’s VAs returned or at least had one line (Same with the Furious Five) but still.
I knew kungfu panda 4 would flop the first time I heard about it. Kungfu panda 3 has already wrapped up the entire story in the cleanest way possible, there's no way you can add more to it without the whole thing collapsing. I'm gonna pretend this entire movie is non canon for the rest of my life
same
Same
People think that 3 was final one when it was confirmed since 2 that there would be 4 more movies it not a cash or anything it just a bad director that made the movie suck so let hope he doesn’t direct the last 2
Dreamworks was willing to hire Mr. Beast for one line in the movie but not the original furious five voice actors
I honestly forgot about that, what character did he even voice?
@@tylere.8436 he was one of the guys trying to compete to be the dragon warrior. His character dressed up to look like Po
You know it's bad when isaac says it is.
When Puss in Boots: The Last Wish came out, I thought ALL of the upcoming Dreamworks sequels would be good and epic (As they used to be)
But Instead we got Megacringe and a mediocre Kung Fu Panda movie
Now I’m worried for Shrek 5
Po passing on the title of Dragon Warrior to Zhen is like marrying a person you just met that day.
Personally I think they could’ve also made a character growth moment in the movie about Shifu forcing Po to find a successor, when it could’ve played out as Shifu attempting to force Po into training someone to follow in his footsteps, and be the next dragon warrior, and then have him grow to realize both through his (Shifu’s) interactions with Tai Lung again and maybe some spirit world magic with Oogway that there won’t be another dragon warrior, that Po will find a different and new successor, so that Po doesn’t repeat the same mistakes as Shifu did by assuming someone should be the next dragon warrior, and instead train people to be their own person, which would also contrast nicely with some other ideas people put here for chameleons origins being that of copying others to get better. Furthermore, it would also tie every lesson from the previous movies. All in one nice little B plot for shifu.
Is prime oogway still the strongest charachter in the verse considering the op staff of wisdom is his and all the other feats he has ?
Prime oogway is strong
I would say so.
Yes, because I don't know what universe this movie was in but it sure wasn't in our Kung Fu Panda's. 😐
At first when I saw you're video for Kung Fu Panda 4 explaning that Tai Lung, Shen and Kai were gonna come back the first thought I had about it was that they were all gonna team up to destroy Po and everything and everyone he loved. But when you said that at the end they bowed and were greatful to him I just couldn't believe it. And also it reminded me of you're video explaning Tai Lung wanting redemption twards Po for freeing him from Kai.
I was VERY disappointed. It's so sad, especially after hearing how people that worked on it fought for it to be more like 1 and 2, but were turned down in most ways. And I think you really hit the mark in this whole discussion when you mentioned how you felt you were punished by being a fan that knows all the lore of this franchise. Because a lot of people say that the movie is good (at least many kids and parents), and I think that's mostly because they don't realize how many plot holes this movie has, and that they don't really compare the movie to the other 3 like we who are big fans of them do.
After the whole fiasco with this movie, let's just say my expectations for the next line of movies is definitely low. If they're just gonna keep going the same route, then Kung Fu Panda 3 is the official end for me. I'll treat the sequel trilogy the same as I treat the TV shows. A non-canon fanfiction that can be watched if you want more Kung Fu Panda without it contradicting any of the lore and storytelling of the main three films.
So what is your take on the comics then same as the tv shows or not? I’m in the camp the shows are canon although the entire franchise should have a bible on what is canon or not canon.
My thought is this:
At best, it's just okay.
At worst, it's a unnecessary sequel that did nothing to justify its existence.
I will say the movie has beautiful animation, there's some good humor, I love Po's dads the most (despite being in a plot that could have been easily cut out), the voice acting is solid, and the action is well handled.
However, no amount of action and pretty visuals can overcome how frustrating and poorly handled the story and characters are. Many returning ones are ignored or poorly handled, the new ones are fine but uninteresting (Chameleon looked cool though and love her shape-shifting abilities), and the relationship between Po and Zhen, while not awful, isn't believable enough for me to get invested in.
The theme of change, while a great idea on paper, isn't properly explored as the movie doesn't commit to that idea fully.
But the big kick in the heart for me was the return of Tai Lung. When I saw him coming back, I was so excited! I actually had no interest in the movie until I found out he was coming back, as I love Tai Lung in the first movie (so much so it gave me a good reason to rewatch the first movie), and it looked amazing in the trailer. I really thought something special was happening, especially with how it was said the other villains would pop up.
Sadly, Tai Lung was in it for 3-5 minutes, with an incredibly rushed redemption arc (if you could even call it that). I will say I love his return and the fight he had was epic. Short but epic.
I would have forgiven that if the marketing and the filmmakers weren't being deceptive, saying that they had a lot of exciting things to show off in 4 and that Tai Lung was gonna have a role of sorts in the movie. The fact that they baited me, along with many others to go see the movie with that genuinely makes me mad, and because of that, I will never watch another Kung Fu Panda movie or whatever thing they got in mind in the future. If you won't give me what you advertise, or outright lie about your product to your customer, then why should I come back for whatever mediocre future you got in store for the audience?
No wonder Hollywood is failing. They don't wanna respect the audience. And you know what's sad? This movie, on paper, could have been amazing! But instead, it's amazing in how badly the filmmakers messed up Kung Fu Panda 4!
I will enjoy the first three movies and some other stuff, but after 4, I'm officially done with the Kung Fu Panda franchise.
Li hit the wolf with a rake , you can see the teeth of the instrument if you look closely ( that and the wolf is shown with a slash across his eye in the flashback something that a hammer would not be able to leave behind.)
Kung Fu Panda 4 isn't a bad movie it's just not as good as the other ones and you have got to give them some credit. Dreamworks has made absolute bangers like puss in boot the last wish, kung fu panda 2, the bad guys, Megamind. and they are some of the best animated movies ever. With that, you can't expect them to deliver the best movies ever every time. Sometimes it does actually look like they put in 0 effort like Megamind 2, but kung fu panda 4 is the cheapest movie in the franchise and the animation is still crazy. My point is if you're making a movie that goes down in history as one of the best movies ever, it's hard to top that off. The thing that makes something the best isn't just how good it is, but also how hard it is replicate something of that standard.
I said this before but I will say it again DreamWorks should redeem themselves in order to make up for this film.
@@theshenparteialright bud we get it 👍
@@Tylermiller778 thank you
I disagree with this statement. This film could have been so much more. We could have had Zehn and the chameleon as antagonist throughout the film and we could've just connected Poe and Tai Lung as good cop bad cop buddies. We didn't even get a farewell scene with shifu and Tai Lung. Miss universe is so vast and big there's a whole lot of things that we could have done. And if DreamWorks were able to make as a phenomenal movie as last wish which was a side series of a main series then what's the problem with doing a series like this? We shouldn't even only be about Poe but like I even mentioned Tai Lung or other characters like Tigresses.
@@theshenpartei Their new film, The Wild Robot looks good. Fingers crossed.
Hi Isaac, I've been watching you since you started all the Kfp content and the deep dive you take into those backstories is really great to see.
I recently watched Kung Fu Panda 4 and I enjoyed it.
Although I agree on some points you described in this video, but I think I might have a different perspective towards the movie, I would like to share:
1) Sure the absence of the Furious Five takes some charm out from the movie, but I think there was definitely gonna be a time, where the Dragon Warrior had to fight without them, atleast for once.
2) Po choosing Zhen as the Dragon Warrior is surely confusing, but if we take a deep dive in kfp 1, Master Oogway chose Po and we never got the answer of 'why him?', until Kfp 3, which was the end of the student trilogy. Po is not mature like Oogway, but he chose Zhen because she is different like him, there's definitely gonna be a point where Zhen would lose hope and ask Po why he chose her. So I believe we must wait for the future film(s) to answer this.
3) As for Master Shifu still alive scenario: At the end when Master Shifu is trying to achieve eternal peace Po interrupts him, which is a sign that Po is still not mature and would not let Master Shifu go. Master Shifu is still not confident on Po's choices and decisions, so I think that the future movies may do some justice to it.
4) I agree that The Chameleon could've been executed more greatly, like the other three. But, what if we assume that there are many masters in the kfp world who discriminate the others on the basis of their sizes or The Chameleon maybe wanted to learn Kung fu to achieve power, fame, etc. but when she was denied, she misjudged the masters were discriminating her. But, for sure they could've made her character even more scarier with a deep backstory, showing how she possessed dark magic and became the most feared criminal.
5) On the return of the Master Villains:
Tai Lung was executed nicely. You know that the character has grew a lot, when he doesn't even try to take revenge on Po and calls the Spirit Realm his home. I agree his goodbye with Shifu would've made the movie great, but perhaps a greater scene in waiting for us in kfp 5 or 6, where Shifu will finally ascend to the Spirit Realm and meet his son on the other side.
For Lord Shen, he accepted his death at the end of kfp 2, maybe he tried to reflect on his actions and achieve peace in the spirit realm. But, after his return, The Chameleon didn't even gave him a chance to act and took off his powers. He could've had a conversation with Po, but does he really deserve forgiveness? Also after Po saved them all, he had a guilt in his mind , that the one whose everything was destroyed by him, gave him another chance and saved him. He had no words to express or he felt like unworthy to do so, hence he just bowed with respect for his opponent.
As for General Kai, he didn't had that much personal connection with Po and he just wanted Po's chi, so I feel the same for him.
6) As for Master Shifu's staff, maybe he healed it with the help of chi, since we last saw that chi can make dead flowers bloom, so he did the same with his staff.
KFP 4 does leave out the charm of the original trilogy but for sure give us some great and deep moments. So we should wait for the future KFP 5 which would for sure cover these plots. I hope you are reading this, these were just some points on the way I feel about the film. Hope you have a good day!
I actually thought this film was gonna come out a lot later like during the summer. I honestly didn’t expect it to come out now. And that’s definitely saying something because I still haven’t seen the third movie yet.
Oh the 3rd movie is bad. Don’t waste your time on it
Third movie is amazing, definitely worth the watch
@@griffinmiller9012 Bad my foot. It was still very good, not as good as the first 2, kfp 1 and 2 will never be surpassed by any future kfp movies, but 3 is definetly good as well. and plus how will he understand kfp 4 without watching the 3rd?
Third was the best in my opinion. I like movies. Kai was my favourite villain anyway
@@griffinmiller9012dude, try me a river about the fact the panda village defeated some of the emerald guys. The rest of the movie is awesome and the pandas were the original creators of chi. Of course they're going to be strong. They had a reason to be forgetting how to use. She does not mean you totally lose every single bit of using it, it's in their bloodline Sherlock
Yeah it is.
I mean, the Movies 1- 3 Let us watch Po grow, not only in his role as the Dragon Warrior, but also in his character. He goes trough many Hardships to find inner peace and I don't understand, why he now needs to find a succsesor? I thought Po was Chosen to be THE Dragon Warrior. He is something unique. This is something, that can't be carried over trough training!
I feel like this couldve been fixed by fixing a minor issue with the 3rd movie. Maybe in the 3rd movie, Po still becomes a teacher but so do the five because as Shifu points out, theyre getting older and they cant always be there to protect the valley. So they start letting in people who are interested in learning kung fu, in hopes to find the next Furious Five. One of the applicants being Chameleon, who I'll call Xiao (its strange that she's only referred to as Chameleon when the previous villains have proper names. Also, Xiao means small in Chinese which refers to her size). Xiao came from a long line of kung fu masters herself but she herself couldnt seem to get a hang of it so she was sent to Po in hopes that maybe the Dragon Warrior, the Furious Five and the great Shifu could potentially help her. Sadly, she turns out to not have any potential kung fu no matter who is teaching her be it one of the Five or Po or even Shifu.
I imagine that they were going to send Xiao away when Kai attacked and instead fighting alongside the Five and the other students, Xiao hid away and from her hiding spot she watched Kai use what she thought was magic to turn everyone into jade pendants and summon jade minions. Thats when she had an idea. If she cant learn kung fu the natural way, then fine, she'll cheat and steal everyone's kung fu.
Then cut to movie 4 and yeah, Xiao has stolen Kai and Tai Lung's kung fu but also other people's kung fu like Po's graduates and even the five and Po's kung fu, which forces Po to relearn everything he worked for. Also, maybe just to rub salt onto an open wound, she took on his appearance and made everyone believe she's Po so now Po has to prove that he's the real Po but well, he doesnt have his kung fu so that's obviously a problem.
I actualy enjoyed the movie in my first watch, but during my second time watching it i already started to see the flaws on why people didnt like the movie. Honestly the 4th movie should've been the last and final film of the franchise and i think a dark and serious tone would've suit the film more in my opinion. Also i think tai lung should've been the only villian to appear because, having shen and kai return isn't really necessary in my perspective. It also would've been cool if the chameleon also captured the furious five and steals their chi and shapeshifts into them to fight po later on. I also want to talk about the chameleon's domain i actualy thought of this idea 2 days ago. Instead of taking over a city which we've already seen with lord shen, i think it would've been better if the chameleon lived in some abandoned temple where she got locked up by oogway due to her sourcery being too dangerous and frightening. I think a rivalry between kung fu and sourcery would be a very intresting concept to see on screen. So yeah those are my thoughts, this movie had so much potential and it was all wasted just for them to start a new trilogy which im worried about. I have alot of mixed feelings for this 4th installment but all in all i rated this movie a 7.5/10 and it definetly could've been executed alot better than it already has.
Tbh, I feel like there alot of things that might've went on behind the scenes when Kung Fu Panda 4 was being made. Especially you put in the account that this film was being put on hold due to the writers and actors strikes at the time. So, basically, the animators of the Kung fu panda film series were doing all they can with the writing parts of Kfp4.
Mike Mitchell the director had complete control over the film. Stephanie Ma Stine the “co-director”, who worked on KFP 1 and 2, was completely ignored as a “nobody.” Her ideas were for Po/Shifu to have a vision of Shifu being kidnapped by the chameleon and then Po would have had to work with Zhen to go rescue him, and allowing Shifu to be present to have a final closure with Tai Lung. She and many people wanted The Furious Five present for more of the movie. She wanted Zhen and the Chameleon’s backstory and relationship and Po and Zhen’s developing friendship to be deeper and more emotional. But, NO, Mike Mitchell decided AGAINST ALL OF THAT, because The Five’s VAs were too expensive, but they had enough money for other A list actors to play these new unnecessary side characters, because he thought the villain’s backstory WASN’T IMPORTANT, refused the deeper emotional moments because he wanted a FUNNY CONEDY MOVIE FOR KIDS, and shortened the length because KIDS CAN’T FICUS ON A LINGER MOVIE! Newsflash, Mike, your TARGET AUDIENCE ARE NOT KIDS! The people who watched Kung Fu Panda 1,2, and 3 are TEENAGERS AND ADULTS with THEIR kids! I just. .HOW DOES HE THINK THAT THE VILLAINS BACKSTORY IS “UNIMPORTANT”?! A movie is only as good as its villain, and a villain is only as good as their backstory. Comedy is there to balance out the serious moments, which this movie barely had. Stories are only as good as their emotional depth, which this was just a puddle. Never let this guy direct a KFP movie ever again.
@@EverythingAndAnythingGoes24Stephanie had a literal banger of a 4th film planned! Omg it sounds so damn good! Fire Mike like what the hell were they thinking?! Hopefully the next 2 films are made with Stephanie cause damn KFP4 would have been amazing!
@@EverythingAndAnythingGoes24Ok now I'm pissed we were robbed
@@mr.smart75Yeah he should be fired The director of the 3 movies under the characters and world building of Kung Fu Panda
Zen was the peach pit. Zen was po. That’s why po chose her.
We see zen, like the tournament audience saw po in the first movie. And po saw zen, as oogway once saw him.
Or… he just threw the title away, so zen could prove herself, I dunno . 🤷♂️
Two things that disappointed me the most in Kung Fu Panda 4
1. no furious Five in the movie until the credits which shouldn't even count because they should have been in the movie period
2. not even 3 minutes of the screen of Tai Lung and him meeting up with Po and Shifu and to the fans I'm going to say this Tai Lung never gets redeemed or a repetition arc everyone wanted. Most of what Tai Lung did after Po won is say he was in the wrong and gave po his respect and told him to send him back to the spirit realm that's it
For a movie, I wouldn't mind Kung Fu Panda 4 but for a movie that is a part of the Kung Fu Panda Trilogy and is supposed to be cannon I am very disappointed
Heck the five’s adventure can make their own tv series or at least movies.
i agree because one thing that made the chameleon weak as it already is was a backstory that explains why he became a villain like how tai lung became a villain because he wasn't chosen as the dragon warrior or how lord shen became a villain when he did a genocide and got banished from his home and how kai became a villain after oogway saw the bad in him and banished him to the spirit realm you get the point
What if lord shen didn't die in kung-fu panda movie
He died he's Literally in spirit realm
@@SatyaSharma-sc4kcI think he is asking a question what would be if shen had survived his confrontation with po or po saved him from being crushed by the canon.
He'd probably be thrown in jail assuming he didn't change his ways
@@randomaccountwithglasses2628yeah committing panda genocide is jail worthy.
He would escape because he is fast but the movie director decide his fate. He would be imprison.
I believe a way that can explain why po didn’t immediately choose tigress as the dragon warrior (other than the studio didn’t want to pay Angelina Jolie to reprise her role) is a tigress spin off movie that takes place before Kung fu panda 4. Heres my pitch: the movie takes place after the events of Kung fu panda 3. The rest of the furious 5 are off on solo missions (as I assume dreamworks still wants to make budget cuts.) with only po and tigress still at the jade palace. Po notices tigress has been acting off lately and she explains today is the day shifu first adopted her and feels like she never lived up to his standards. Po suggests trying to talk to shifu about it. When she tries to, they get word that some villain is terrorizing a village of tigers. Tigress, po, and shifu head to the village where they see the tigers, despite their strength, are actually very peaceful creatures not wanting to harm anyone which is why the main villain easily took over. They then recognize tigress as the daughter of the original protectors of the village and reveal they were forced to send her away to keep her safe from their enemies and ended up sacrificing themselves to save the village a long time ago. Tigress is saddened by this news but shifu comforts her and apologizes for not being a good father figure to her out of fear she would become like tai lung. Tigress forgives him and they get information from one of the tigers where the main villain is. Tigress, po, and shifu confront the villain who reveals he or she was the one who killed tigress’s parents. Tigress enrage loses her focus trying to avenge her parents and but is defeated by the villain who throws her down the river. Po goes to save her telling shifu to hold off the villain. When Po finds tigress, she apologizes to him for messing up their plan to defeat the villain and also apologizes for being so harsh on him when they first met. She explains she hoped that by becoming the dragon warrior, she would make shifu proud of her and was jealous when Po was chosen instead of her. Po forgives her and reveals long before he met the 5, he always hoped tigress would be the dragon warrior saying out of all the 5, he believed she was the one who deserved it the most and tells her if their came a day that he had to give up being the dragon warrior, he would give the title to her. Tigress thanks him but says she can’t accept that because she mainly wanted it to make shifu proud but now that he apologized and she forgave him, she no longer wants it saying it belongs to Po and encourages him on the day he has to give up the title, to find someone else. Po, having been given tigress’s blessing accepts it and comforts her about the loss of her parents because of his similar experience of losing his mom and being separated from his biological father. Po then confesses his feelings for tigress and tigress confesses her feelings for Po. The two then head back to the village with the tiger tribe preparing to evacuate to escape the wrath of the villain. Po then encourages tigress to train them in her ways of Kung fu. She does so and with the help from the villiage, po, and shifu, she able to defeat the villain and save the villiage. When they return home po and tigress begin a relationship with each other with tigress once again giving po her blessing to find someone else to be the dragon warrior if the day ever comes. Po is unsure about it since he believes the only other person who could be the dragon warrior other than him is her. Tigress kisses Po saying she knows it’ll be hard for him but knows he can do it. Shifu comes in saying tigress is needed to stop the free range chicken gang. Before she goes, shifu once again apologizes to tigress for not being a good father and promises to do better in the future. Tigress once again forgives him and says she no longer wants the title of dragon warrior anymore since she now has what she always wanted. The film then ends with Po telling tigress about zhen and the events of Kung fu panda 4 and tigress says with the right training, she’ll be a great successor.
I haven’t seen kung fu panda 4 yet personally I am on the fence about it but I kind of agree with a lot of things that you said, just from watching the trailers for the Kung fu panda four movie I could tell just from washing the trailer that the story didn’t feel quite right the reason for that is they tried to take the feel of dragon knights TV show and watching the trailer for Kung fu panda four reminded me of how badly they treated Poe in season one of Dragon Knight it feels like they’re trying to bring the story tones from Dragonite into the cinematic universe of the movies, and in my opinion, they have kept those things separate @Isaac Carlson
Love your videos more than the movie. And you know it's bad when isaac calls it dissapointing
Why does nobody care about how Kai was still alive in this movie after getting destroyed in The Spirit Realm?
Tai lung: Decimates the valley while fighting Po
Shen: Commits genocide against the panda’s
Kai: Erases all memory of Oogway
Chameleon: Pushes someone down the stairs 💀
YES, I was SO MAD about Shifu's staff not being broken. They shoved so many callbacks to the previous movies into this one and yet forgot important details like this.
...plus basically everything else wrong with this movie.
Actually, there is a canon reason Shifu's staff isn't broken. According to Stephanie Ma Stine, he used his chi to fix it.
The team behind 4 desperately hoping people forget that Shifu kicked Po down the stairs to the Jade Palace in the first movie as a joke so that the Chameleon looks more threatening and dangerous when she does it
So, Po passes down the torch to Awkwafina fox. Why is she in every cartoon lately? So, does Po die in this one or something? Why would they need a new Dragon Warrior? What does Master Shifu know? Pretty sure Po has surpassed him several times over already. Sounds like this is the Shrek the Third of the series.
Man and Shrek the third is Miles better than this movie
The Real Problem with Kung fu panda 4:
IT EXISTS
Yes... Ugway spent decades being alive before any dragon warrior was declared. Po shows up and then hands the dragon warrior status to Zhen after only 4 movies? That to me is very disappointing 😞
Yeah I get it. Po is a panda and not a wise aged turtle, but still. We watched him grow into the dragon warrior and now it's a power that can be given away like candy? Seems too easy of a cope out for me. I would have liked to see Po's adventures as the fully realized dragon warrior BEFORE handing those gifts to the next generation. Just makes me sad cause I really like Po as a character and he's why I watched the movies/TV show
If anyone deserved to become the next dragon warrior it was Tigeress. Not because she wanted it, but because she learned to accept not having it and instead of being bitter she became a mentor and friend to Po. Either that, or the new character needed something to tie her to kung-fu. Like... she is a runaway from an abuse parent who taught her kung-fu and Po shows her a 'better' way. Even just keep her as an orphan , but Zhen needed something... more to her backstory
I have a theory for Shifu’s staff. Shifu was always using the same staff. Since he has mastered chi after Po’s teaching after the third movie, he fixed it with chi.
Thank you so much for this video. You have very eloquently highlighted my many thoughts of the movie while also giving me some food for thought. This movie sadly feels more like an attempt to make more money rather than exploring the next chapter for Po 😢
I liked this video because I understood the flaws you pointed out.
Regardless, the movie was a nice continuation in showcasing a new event in Po's life.
*And to point out some of the flaws with a few factors and headcanons (spoilers, of course):*
1. Is it really necessary for the Chameleon to be connected to Po in any way? No! And why should she? It'd be too redundant.
2. With TV Tropes' Fridge Logic summing up why Po chose Zhen: Zhen never sought the title either, but by the end of film, she showed her potential and more importantly, willingness to change is what got Po's attention to humbly choose her as his successor. To be the Dragon Warrior, one doesn't have to be a master, one must be willing to improve.
3. Let's take into account that time likely has passed after the events of _Kung Fu Panda 3_ to justify Shifu informing Po about advancing to Spiritual Leader, implying how Po has improved in defending the Valley of Peace and such. And, besides, there was no indication in _Kung Fu Panda 3_ that he already became spiritual leader.
4. Li Shan may have settled down and felt content with his life after _3_ while defending against Shen's army and Kai's jombies had been out of bravery; partaking into action still may be new to him.
5. The past villains' time in the spirit realm was probably enough time in developing regret over their actions and seeing the Chameleon take possession of their abilities can come as a clever nod over how Tai Lung had wanted to be the Dragon Warrior and possess the Dragon Scroll, Shen had wanted to rule China for his own personal gain, and Kai had stolen the chi from the kung fu masters; the Chameleon stealing their powers comes off as cathartic and would likely have them remember their ways of obtaining something for their own personal gains.
6. I honestly don't mind the Furious Five set aside as it's a way to give Po some independence and not give him any reliance on the Five.
7. And to quote one user on Fandom: "The lack of detailed backstory and screentime for Chameleon makes her mysterious. Plus racism and prejudices are bound to exist in some dojos."
With that done, what a flawed movie it is, you can always discover the positive details about it.
The only flaw with _Kung Fu Panda 4_ was the fart joke added when Po and Zhen sneak inside from the sleeping army.
Damn, even issac carlson got that furious side in him
I am sad that my gut feeling about this movie was right.
I'd tried to have hope, to ignore that gut feeling that this movie would be the dark sheep of the Kung Fu Panda movies... but hearing even just 2 reviews and the reasons why they didn't like the movie, my gut was sadly right.
I'm just going to do with Kung Fu Panda, what I did with the Jurassic Park movies: ignore the last one in the franchise.
Yes, the Jurassic World movies are set in the same universe and follow up on the Jurassic Park movies, but going by title specifically, Jurassic Park 3 was the last Jurassic PARK movie.
Like it, I am choosing to ignore Kung Fu Panda 4 and pretend it doesn't exist
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Correction, it seemed Mike Mitchell didn’t want to do anything with previous actors. Everyone else on the directing team was trying to stop him.
the Chameleon's plan reminded me of Lord's business's plan from the Lego Movie. Collect all the greats and then take their powers. They even had kinda similar rooms.
Do this for httyd how all species and populations of dragons returned to the hidden world and lived under toothlesses rule
My feelings on Kung Fu Panda 4 are mixed. As with the other films, I still enjoyed the film despite its flaws. However, it could have been a lot better in some places. The idea of Po becoming Oogway's successor made sense, as it was applied in Kung Fu Panda 3. I don't think he was fully his successor in 3 yet. The series of films could take a few years after each film. Shifu's character here feels somewhat off. I thought Zhen was much better than I thought she would be, as I was afraid they would make her a Mary Sue, but I was thankful she didn't come off that way. I thought her dynamic with Po was fun. Zhen's backstory feels half-baked and could have been done much better. From what the behind-the-scenes say, it looks like she could have had so much more, and I hope the future installments add to that. I liked how Po's characterization was handled here, as he felt a little bit wiser and smarter than in the previous films. His ability to handle most situations adds to how far he's come since the first film. I agree that the Chameleon is easily the series' worst villain, as she does not feel fleshed out at all despite her amazing design and performance. The film felt rather fast compared to the previous films in the series. I thought Tai Lung was fine, as his bowing down to Po shows that he now accepts him and accepts that he didn't become the Dragon Warrior, but I agree it could have been done a bit better with the other two. I was disappointed with the Furious Five's lack of appearance in this film, but I also felt they would have been unnecessary. But I wish they could have at least served as some backup during the attack against Chameleon's soldiers with Mr Ping, Li Shen, and the bandits. As well as the idea of Tigress becoming Shifu's successor, like Po becoming Oogway's. There are also reports of them extending the Kung Fu Panda series, and the directors and executives are aware of how much people want to see more of the Furious Five, so the idea of them getting their own film could happen. Here's my ranking of the Kung Fu Panda movies: 1. Kung Fu Panda 2. Kung Fu Panda 2 3. Kung Fu Panda 3 4. Kung Fu Panda 4. I love all these films. Kung Fu Panda 4 will also get a short to come with its DVD and Blu-ray. I can't wait to see what it is.
Thank you for the video. You are very passionate. You covered every single point and your attention to detail is very admirable. Nowadays, majority of the sequels are just cash grabs, this was the same. We need people like you in the studios, to remind the creative team, what they are missing.
Maybe one thing they could've decided in the making of this movie was to not finish the movie yet at all especially if they have no choice due to a large reduction in their budget (please correct me if I'm wrong).
They could've add more details, lore, and foreshadowings and in the movie and reduce the movie's covered plot, cut it in the most interesting spot like how Spiderman Across the Spiderverse transitions to Beyond the Spiderverse.
Keep the quality of the whole plot at its peak and use two movies (Part 4 and 5) to give the whole experience, so they can include more on the villain's grand battle, entire backstory, reveals, and big plot twists in the second movie. I would totally love to see the best of possibilities that could happen with their fight, like how she would incorporate sorcery with kung fu.
They could even add rematch with the other villains either genuine revenge or a test ot worthiness from previous masters, having proper conversations with them, Po's thoughts of why he chose a thief fox, and other many things that are left unexplained to the length of the movie.
What I personally think should have been done is that they should have made the Chameleon the Lord Shen to Zhen's Po,but instead of her going down Po's path, just have her be an antagonist until she finds out the truth. Have the Chameleon be a powerful enemy that Po needs to team up with the former villains so that way he can earn their respect.
Holy Fuzz Balls, Even Isaac Carlson The One Channel that has the best passion and love for these Films more than anyone, Is saying This was Disappointing.