Terrorist is a unit that make for absolutly wasting money only. Sputnik may be bad but at least it doesn't blow your base up when someone accidently explode
*The Alliance player did not notice the Desolator and led an armada of vehicles to attack* Desolator: *sneezed* Player for the Iraq: Ta-dam! They evaporated.
like which? only really good units Yuri has are the disc, the magnetron, Yuri Prime and Gattling tanks (and boomers if there is enough water for them to have good range on bases). all others are mehh. Master minds are overrated imo. too easy to MC the wrong units like a swarm of useless conscripts and lose them. they are good, but not s tier imo.
actually, if you have 3 tesla troopers powering up a tesla coil it DOES prevent power down while keeping the increased damage plus they'll have increased range
Love the little demonstration video you added. Must have taken you a long time to get clips for (especially the terrorist). Very good video keep up the great work mate!
3:36 Allied are the race with the worst anti-air, not Soviets. However you can argue soviet AA is the worst against Kirov because their main perk is AOE,
Rocketeers & Gatling Tanks are S-Tier units you'd spam every game anyways, whereas Soviets have to build a dedicated AA unit (that's very capable, but still). Soviets don't tend to need to build Flak Tracks when mirroring each other, so a surprise Kirov tends to be most effective in that match-up
Surprised Flak Track is only A tier considering how versatile it is and how it is a counter to many of the Allies' and Yuri's best units. However, I guess I underestimated how useful the terror drones are in RA2, even if they lack abilities like the stasis ray in RA3.
Honestly terror drones counter some of the most busted gimmicky units like desolators (their immune to radiation) all mind control except psychic towers (immune to mind control) Iron curtain on 9 of them is a free mass murder of a cluster of enemy tanks, war miners, hordes of infantries etc. also despite taking heavy damage from most anti infantry weapons sniper class rounds used by seals, tanya, and snipers barely damage them. this little guy is even capable of inducing brown pants syndrome in yuri prime shortly before ripping him a new one.
@@excrist1274 It can be an advantage when facing Yuri because most Soviet vehicles have "Heavy" armor. So even if Yuri controlled one of them, it won't do anything significant to your army.
0:00 *reads Egyptian Commanders* In the C&C franchise, Nod's General Hassan is the only most likely Egyptian commander in the entire series, while there are some in Firestorm who could be more likely Egyptians too.
Ok it’s not a unit I know, but iron curtain needs to be in S tier. It’s so influential and makes Soviets 10x more dangerous. Iron curtain is number 1 reason why a player in a 1v1 might decide to tech up instead of simply building multiple war factories. At the very least, it needs to be mentioned for how broken it is and one can argue it single handedlay allows soviets to go toe to toe with allies and yuri late game
Conscripts&Rhinos spammer is one of the best way to win. At least in mission and skirmish due to low cost. Fast build time. And they will protect each other weakness ( except air ).
1) In actual competition, the Terrorist (because of the TerrorFlak) is a much better unit than the Demolition Truck, and Crazy Ivan is more commonly seen than either. The Engineer by itself is actually the main reason that Crazy Ivan is not useful at high level. 2) There is a significant number of competitive maps where the V3 Launcher has more general use than the Kirov. The V3 does not require Tier 3 and is NOT a lategame unit, so you're quite wrong on that slide. 3) The Tesla Trooper is Tier 1, not Tier 2. I see more Flak Troopers than tesla troopers because Rocketeers are such a big part of the meta. 4) The Typhoon Attack Sub is Tier 1, not Tier 2. I also think it has more general use than its rank here would indicate, but it is a very map-sensitive unit. 5) RA2 actually does have a very hard-counter system, it's just not as balanced as RA3's, mostly because of the extreme speed difference between infantry and vehicles. The Tesla Trooper for example is a soft-counter unit that's good against everything, but not cost-effective in damage for its low utility at all. 6) In a game with bad heroes, Boris is the weakest. He is a luxury option except in those rare maps where prism towers and tesla coils are common. 7) You omitted the Amphibious Transport and Engineer! Other than that, good video, I agree with everything. I absolutely LOVE the tutorial animations.
Boris is the best hero. He actually kills vehicles which is more important that blowing up a base faster. Tanya's C4s do not work if opponent has good tank control.
You didn't mention what I consider the biggest drawback of the Kirov which is it's very long payoff time. It takes a long time before the Kirov has destroyed 2k worth of value.
The Kirov was higher than I expected. Most opinions I see say it's too slow and expensive for what it does, with a number of mods at least removing the announcement of its construction.
tbh even if they are T1 they probably will still suck, too slow compared to flak track, and if they nerf flak track no one wouldplay Soviets anymore because of weak AA, unless they buuf flak trooper's movement speed
@@nothinggood306Probably impossible，anyway their tech requirements，their price,their low AA DPS，their poor survive ability makes them most suck common unit this game.
Dreadnought is the best ship in Pa2! After losing it missiles, it immediately prepares the next ones for launch. An aircraft carrier, after losing its aircraft, requires a recovery time, which is equal to the reload time of the aircraft carrier. Due to its peculiarity, Dreadnought will never let the enemy's anti-aircraft guns rest even for a second!
Is there any chance you might made tier list of modded ra2 called "Mental Omega" since their subfaction is fairly interesting with load of units both original and from other C&C series
rocketeers tear them to shreds as well but yeah if they have to cross water with aegis in there they are fucked. aegis demolish anything airborne within seconds
Fun fact I play as Iraq when I first play skirmish and I play Generals first before this game. The more you know. Now I need a Generals Zero Hour Generals tier list because I can't find one. If you're wondering why I mean is Dr. Thrax is high tier or lower tier?
RA2 meta is tank spam and a desolator deals so much dmg to enemy tanks, people use flak truck loaded with desolators to do a desolate bomb which will melt enemy tanks then you just win using your rhino tanks
Subs should be a little higher! (a C) I have never lost a naval war when building them in big numbers. They obliterate dolphins and destroyers, especially when there are scorpions in the mix. Apocalypse tanks worked wonders in vanilla against mirages and prisms, but BF and mind control in YR rendered them useless unless you mix them up with more stuff (choppers, IC). Nobody expects flaks filled with tesla troopers and conscripts. You can ram them against an early army to make them run for their lives, then you just focus on destroying the important buildings while the enemy tries to avoid their firing range with speed.
Squids can't be mind controlled due to they are animals but then why they are Mind Controlled animals by Story? Yuri can't mind control an aleady mind controlled enemy for some reason?
Here are my agreements and disagreements. My opinions assume we are ignoring Industrial Plant exists - because with Industrial Plant, things get into a complicated and non-objective area where no proper discussion is possible. E.g. like is the unit in this tier only because of Industrial Plant? - does it even deserve to be there if not for Industrial Plant? - etc. S-tier: If there is an S-tier for the Soviet units containing Rhinos and Desos, place the Prism Tank in there and you're gonna need more tiers above S-tier. Otherwise yes, relative for Soviet units, Desos and Rhinos belong here. Terror Drone: Pops too quickly for that 500 cost. GIs, Gattling, Prism, Mirage. Pretty situational and does not have the all-roundedness of Rhinos and Desos so how can they share the tier with the Rhino? Sure there are situations where they're annoyingly strong but also situations they're sitting ducks -level weak. Siege Chopper: Does not share the tier with the likes of Conscripts, Flak Tracks, Dreadnoughts. Not versatile enough. The need to take 5 secs to deploy takes that away from them. So no, they'd have to go lower down. Their cannons are nothing big anyway unless en masse, and en masse requires too must cost - Siege Choppers ARE NOT cost efficient units. Siege Choppers are not Terran Siege Tanks -level kinda strong. They require Battle Lab. No. Just no. They'd have to go down lower. Dreadnought: I'm sitting on a fence. You didn't put them in the highest tier - I agree with you on that. But are they in the 2nd tier, though? They're strong in many cases and are defo not situational. But - in AI games they're pretty weak when the enemy already starts off with plenty of AA. I've seen their dark side though. I've seen enough situations where Dreadnoughts are weak, enough to reconsider putting them lower in tier level. But in most situations or rather in normal scenarios they're the strong units we know and love. But I'll sit on this decision and just let this pass for now. Attack Dog: I don't think they're in 2nd tier. Unlike Conscripts who're all rounded and Flak Tracks who handle air and double as anti-infantry, dogs only handle 1 thing and they're the 1-trick pony just specializing in 1 thing. I'll put them lower but after going through a lot of reluctance. Another justification is that since I've dropped Terror Drone lower into 2nd tier, then it follows the dog gets pushed down to 3rd tier. I'm sorry, it was a tough call but that's my conclusion. Boris: Doesn't share a tier with Giant Squid or Kirov. He's only there in 3rd tier because of nostalgia of the campaign or because he's so cool. Get over that nostalgia. Giant Squid and Sea Scorpion: I'll do this 2 at a time. They have to be upgraded to the same tier as the Dreadnought. In fact I find Giant Squid and Sea Scorpions, though weaker than Dreadnoughts and lacking in apparent show of power, I find them to be more versatile and cost efficient than Dreadnoughts. If anything, Giant Squid and Sea Scorpions are at least on par with Dreadnoughts or even higher. The only real counter to the Giant Squid is the Dolphin whereas Dreadnoughts are countered by more stuff like AA and C4s. The Sea Scorpion is fast, cheap, godly versus air, can force fire on water to kill SEALs and Dolphins. Way too versatile for its cost. Apocalypse: I agree with Apocs in 4th tier. Below Kirovs. Tesla Troopers: Does not belong on par with Apocs. Go down lower. In fact they belong to hell. Even if they cost half price at 250, they'd only still be a tier below Apocs - that's - 5th tier. I'm strong about this opinion. If they cost 250 and have doubled damage at 100, and doubled health at 260, and were immune to dogs, then yes - into 4th tier Tesla Troopers go with Apocs. Thank you. Demolition Truck: Would go way down with the Tesla Trooper. They also belong to hell. If they cost half price at 750 then yes - into 4th tier Tesla Troopers go with Apocs. Thank you. Flak Trooper and V3: Kind of at home here at 5th tier. I think I agree. No wait - I saw Submarines in 5th tier too. I'd place Flak Trooper and V3 a tier below Subs - into 6th tier they go. Thank you. Submarines: Yes they belong here in 5th tier. I agree. I think Boris comes down here to 5th tier. Boris would be 5th tier at best. Tesla Tanks: Yes they belong here in 6th tier. I agree. Flak Trooper and V3 would join them here, and be at home in 6th tier. 7th tier aka G tier: Tesla Trooper and Demo Trucks come here. 8th tier aka H tier: Reserved for Ivans and Cubans. EDIT: Minor typos and grammar errors.
The thing is for me I tried to 1 on 1 the Siege Chopper (deployed) vs. Apocalypse, I was very surprised that the Deployed Siege Chopper can defeat Apocalypse, The Apocalypse seems not damaged the chopper. But Rhino can defeat the Chopper easily
terrorist is the only unit that deserves to be in f tier, he does jack sh.t, the tesla tank can atleast destroy buildings and shoot over walls, the terrorist can't even destroy buildings in one detonation. ----- it's still weird to me that the gi's cost 100 more than the conscripts even when taking into account that the gi's can make themself into a make-shift pillbox. ----- if you play on high economy maps with the apocalypse tank then it becomes quiet viable as 10 or more apocalypse tanks will easily crush anything and everything in their way. ----- ahem, tesla tanks can do very good damage to tanks if they are in groups, if they are alone then they become vunerable to other tanks.
A bit too harsh on tesla tanks - Just because desolators are so widespread doesn't mean teslas should share a tier with the worst unit in the game, especially since you didn't put the somewhat-redundant demotrucks there either.
It's not about how good the unit is. It's about its competitive use cases and viability, which Demo Truck has plenty of and Tesla Tank has absolutely none.
Damn man i was think Apocalypse Tank and Demolition Truck was should be in A Tier list rather than C, because these unit was making Soviet so OP beside Dreadnought and Kirov Airship. And i was grateful that Crazy Ivan not in F Tier Even Typhoon Attack Sub in D Tier, but at least they have pros: Can beat Destroyer 1 on 1 duel
@@itaymaoz7498 its biggest weakness isn't its cost but its inability to fire while moving, its as if they were only balanced for RA2 but not Yuri once the Battle fortress became a thing making the Apocs completely religated to Bunker Buster defensive unit, but for the later and former there are better options and its better to use them as a destraction to protect more important units. (C tier is ok for it as if you managed to have caped and allied base you can use him to shield Prisms with its thick armor.)
In my opinion Regarding soviet: Boris should be S Giant squad A or S Kirov A Flak F Flak tank C Conscript C Apocalypse A or S Regarding allies: Prism tank S Rocketter A IFV S (especially for promoted one) Yuri Floating disc S Brutes D Mind control B Boomer submarine A
You never yet seen the power of a siege chopper you'll just need to spam them they are more more dangerous when they spam they have high damage when many
This is merely a list for every unit's frequency of use in the competitive scene... In general, sure... But the Apocalypse Tank's tier level here indicates it's not used much in a competitive match... I mean why go far up the tech tree when Rhinos have already taken care of the meat?...
I hope everyone can go play Mental Omega to see how glorious the Apocalypse tanks are. Of course super hard to get them due to the mechanism, but they can steamroll everything you face. And unfortunately the Desolators are also kind of OP in Mental Omega too :P
I think they buffed the desolator damage output against armored vehicles, although their ability to irradiate the surrounding area has been nerfed. For the apocalypse tank, i definetly agree.
@@handanyldzhan9232 Not wrong, Check ini files and you'll see they both have speed 4. The only reason it's "Slower" is because it needs to accelerate. But at full speed they are both the same speed.
@@nizzystorm7067 I'm not gonna link the video because UA-cam warns me whenever I link something to back up my points for some reason, but he explained that it's a bit different for vehicles. In that video, you can see that it's simple for infantry: more base speed and lighter armor type = faster movement. But it's more complicated for vehicles, which is why you see stuff like V3s having acceleration mechanics, the Rhino being faster than the Tank Destroyer despite having the exact same base speed and armor type (both with no accel). There seem to be some hard-coded elements to speed (ignoring possibly weight or acceleration). The BF in the race had the same speed as the Prism Tank (despite different armor types), and both were a bit faster than the Apoc. And I didn't notice any acceleration data in the Apoc section of the ini unlike with the V3, which also has the same top speed as the BF & Prism.
i dont care how bad they are terrorists are fun and losing the game is a price im willing to pay for getting to laugh at my friends who get blown to hell with flak rushes in LAN games
The tierlist is based entirely on competitive or PVP gameplay rather than casual or vs AI gameplay. Reality dictates that the Rhino, being much cheaper, much faster, and much earlier to produce and thereby easier to swarm an enemy with no matter the tech level will outdo the Apocalypse tank in most competitive scenes. Further, the Battle Fortress and Mirage Tank utterly body the Apocalypse tank; the former because you can load it up with nonsense (Guardian GIs my beloved) and it can attack on the move while the Mirage Tank will simply outrange the Apocalypse tank. The only real way that Apocalypse even match or surpass Rhinos is against Prism tank spam, but since Prisms aren't as good as Mirages in PvP, that's just not likely to happen. Even then, Rhinos are just so good the way they are, their relative weakness against Prism tanks doesn't even matter that much.
I laughed so hard at the "Thalassophobic" in Boris' weakness description. xD
I still find it funny how a single throwaway line was enough fuel to power the "Boris hates swimming" memes.
Attack Dog
Pros: •Good boy
Yes
that was wholesome ^^
😂😂😹😹😹😹🔥😎😏
Yes me too burst out laughing
As it should be.
*a Terrorist unit appears*
Sputnik: Finally, a worthy opponent, our battle will be legendary!
Terrorist is a unit that make for absolutly wasting money only. Sputnik may be bad but at least it doesn't blow your base up when someone accidently explode
@@volknetai.3690 Meanwhile Terrorist in Generals is an OP Unit.
@@高傲无比齐天大圣 Especially Juhziz's terrorist.
Terrorist: At least we can try to take enemies with us to hell amigo! What can you do?
Sputnik: Svolach'... 😑
Was Sputnik able to crush infanty? i don't remember i never seen one in fight due to they are unarmed.
One extra thing about desolators is that they cannot be crushed, if they weren't op enough as it was.
Allies : NOOO!!! You can't just use a single unit to destroy our entire grizzly tank forces!
Soviet : haha desolator go blltttt
*The Alliance player did not notice the Desolator and led an armada of vehicles to attack*
Desolator:
*sneezed*
Player for the Iraq: Ta-dam! They evaporated.
Sniper: Sniper ready
@@yizhenji5564 Flak track & Terror drone: Allow me to introduce myself.
@@chengyunma4497 Grand cannons:May I join the club?
ho boy can't wait for the yuri tier list, where 70% of the units are in S tier.
Thank u
like which? only really good units Yuri has are the disc, the magnetron, Yuri Prime and Gattling tanks (and boomers if there is enough water for them to have good range on bases). all others are mehh. Master minds are overrated imo. too easy to MC the wrong units like a swarm of useless conscripts and lose them. they are good, but not s tier imo.
@@DiscusvissenRocken yuri clones, yuri prime, initiate, virus, gattling tanks, boomers and disk
@@DiscusvissenRocken Yuri clones and Masterminds aren't staple but they are way better than the bad Soviet or Allied units.
They have to change terrorist so they would be immune to other terrorist explosion (like in Generals) so they will be 3 times more useful.
3:49 Actually, more troopers may prevent tesla coils from power down
I guess two were enough to keep the coil powered up during a shutdown
@@yizhenji5564 Yup, and iirc, three give it the bonus
Aren’t V3 supposed to be Tier 2 units?I remembered that they were unlocked after you build the Radar
Yea, I think that's a typo
I love how the unit video showcase mimics the one in red alert 3
actually, if you have 3 tesla troopers powering up a tesla coil it DOES prevent power down while keeping the increased damage plus they'll have increased range
Love the little demonstration video you added. Must have taken you a long time to get clips for (especially the terrorist). Very good video keep up the great work mate!
thanks! That was a nightmare!
Ladies and gentlemen XYHC introduces the red alert 2 version of the competitive tier list
There's a reason why Red Alert 2 is called Rhino Alert by some PvP players.
3:36 Allied are the race with the worst anti-air, not Soviets. However you can argue soviet AA is the worst against Kirov because their main perk is AOE,
Rocketeers & Gatling Tanks are S-Tier units you'd spam every game anyways, whereas Soviets have to build a dedicated AA unit (that's very capable, but still). Soviets don't tend to need to build Flak Tracks when mirroring each other, so a surprise Kirov tends to be most effective in that match-up
I like these video a lot because of every joke you made about their cons xD
Btw what are you gonna do if there is nothing left to discuss about RA2?
thanks!
This is a RA3 channel after all. I won't do RA2 contents that often
Are you planning to make a tier list for all C&C games (I mean Tiberian Dawn to RA3 excluding Renegade) or only for RA2/ RA3?
Initiate Kris maybe. Will probably need to collaborate with other UA-camrs & seasoned pros, since I don’t play any C&C games competitively except RA3
@@xyhc-cnc A collab for CnC 3 and Generals would be lit as fuck, both games are still played competitively until now.
Surprised Flak Track is only A tier considering how versatile it is and how it is a counter to many of the Allies' and Yuri's best units. However, I guess I underestimated how useful the terror drones are in RA2, even if they lack abilities like the stasis ray in RA3.
Yup It's deducted to A due dealing too weak against structure, vehicle
Honestly terror drones counter some of the most busted gimmicky units like desolators (their immune to radiation) all mind control except psychic towers (immune to mind control) Iron curtain on 9 of them is a free mass murder of a cluster of enemy tanks, war miners, hordes of infantries etc. also despite taking heavy damage from most anti infantry weapons sniper class rounds used by seals, tanya, and snipers barely damage them.
this little guy is even capable of inducing brown pants syndrome in yuri prime shortly before ripping him a new one.
@@excrist1274 It can be an advantage when facing Yuri because most Soviet vehicles have "Heavy" armor. So even if Yuri controlled one of them, it won't do anything significant to your army.
Generals / ZH tier list 🤧
for me Miniguners are absolute overpowered
Top units for every faction
Usa humvees+missile defenders
Gla quad cannon/technical+RPG
China gatling tanks
@@bsherman8236 That's not true because a lot of Generals have a lot of other viable units
@@enigma8301 i just listed the best, other "viable" units are very situational and most of the time not cost-efficient until you get to the endgame.
@@bsherman8236 lol that's like saying "oh yeah the only viable units are Rhino Grizzly Lasher kekekekek and cryocopter and mecha tengu"
0:00 *reads Egyptian Commanders*
In the C&C franchise, Nod's General Hassan is the only most likely Egyptian commander in the entire series, while there are some in Firestorm who could be more likely Egyptians too.
Ahem, GLA (and Yuri)
Ok it’s not a unit I know, but iron curtain needs to be in S tier. It’s so influential and makes Soviets 10x more dangerous. Iron curtain is number 1 reason why a player in a 1v1 might decide to tech up instead of simply building multiple war factories. At the very least, it needs to be mentioned for how broken it is and one can argue it single handedlay allows soviets to go toe to toe with allies and yuri late game
If a Superweapon isn't strong (be it Supportive or not), they aren't Superweapon
@@nothinggood306 what, iron curtain is the best superweapon overall in ra2, idk what your talking about
@@NoName-bs5jr you clearly misunderstood my sentence
Conscripts&Rhinos spammer is one of the best way to win. At least in mission and skirmish due to low cost. Fast build time. And they will protect each other weakness ( except air ).
tank spam
2:08 is that the cuban transport
1) In actual competition, the Terrorist (because of the TerrorFlak) is a much better unit than the Demolition Truck, and Crazy Ivan is more commonly seen than either. The Engineer by itself is actually the main reason that Crazy Ivan is not useful at high level.
2) There is a significant number of competitive maps where the V3 Launcher has more general use than the Kirov. The V3 does not require Tier 3 and is NOT a lategame unit, so you're quite wrong on that slide.
3) The Tesla Trooper is Tier 1, not Tier 2. I see more Flak Troopers than tesla troopers because Rocketeers are such a big part of the meta.
4) The Typhoon Attack Sub is Tier 1, not Tier 2. I also think it has more general use than its rank here would indicate, but it is a very map-sensitive unit.
5) RA2 actually does have a very hard-counter system, it's just not as balanced as RA3's, mostly because of the extreme speed difference between infantry and vehicles. The Tesla Trooper for example is a soft-counter unit that's good against everything, but not cost-effective in damage for its low utility at all.
6) In a game with bad heroes, Boris is the weakest. He is a luxury option except in those rare maps where prism towers and tesla coils are common.
7) You omitted the Amphibious Transport and Engineer!
Other than that, good video, I agree with everything. I absolutely LOVE the tutorial animations.
Boris is the best hero. He actually kills vehicles which is more important that blowing up a base faster. Tanya's C4s do not work if opponent has good tank control.
Conscripts can also survive a shot from a lone Prism Tower. Also, due to its cheap price, they're so easy to be promoted
You never watch the cuba caboom that i make sometimes? but is situational and not competititve tactic
You didn't mention what I consider the biggest drawback of the Kirov which is it's very long payoff time. It takes a long time before the Kirov has destroyed 2k worth of value.
Heroic giant squids instakills units if the boat has half hp
Hm. Have a question: In yuri's tier list won't there be F tier like allied OP?
No F-Tier for Yuri
Of course there's no suck units for Yuri...
*"Disc in flight" intensifies*
Cool video!
4:10
Good when used with Chronosphere, making a Nuke
Also tier vs allied can be different as tier vs soviet or Yuri
Tesla troopers do in fact prevent power down, but you need at least two near the Tesla coil
The Kirov was higher than I expected. Most opinions I see say it's too slow and expensive for what it does, with a number of mods at least removing the announcement of its construction.
Tesla trooper is T1 unit and flak trooper is T2,that's why flak trooper sucks.
tbh even if they are T1 they probably will still suck, too slow compared to flak track, and if they nerf flak track no one wouldplay Soviets anymore because of weak AA, unless they buuf flak trooper's movement speed
@@nothinggood306Probably impossible，anyway their tech requirements，their price,their low AA DPS，their poor survive ability makes them most suck common unit this game.
The Terrorist is literally just a faster-moving and cheaper Crazy Ivan, and without any other utility of the Crazy Ivan. Such a wasted faction unit.
1:07 And they said Huskies are cute little goofballs...
Why isn’t production is globally announced also a pro for the Kirov
Telling your enemy that you have a kirov isn’t usually a good idea.
i agree on this list as those units i mostly spam and rush after rushing S rank i go seige choppa! its AOE mobility and range is too good.
Dreadnought is the best ship in Pa2! After losing it missiles, it immediately prepares the next ones for launch. An aircraft carrier, after losing its aircraft, requires a recovery time, which is equal to the reload time of the aircraft carrier. Due to its peculiarity, Dreadnought will never let the enemy's anti-aircraft guns rest even for a second!
This was the game that got me into CnC. Its so damn good.
Unlike Sputniks, they will never become an icon *for obvious reasons.*
Dat terrorist killing General Carville be pretty iconic to me tho
@@n484l3iehugtil isn't that crazy ivan tho?
You forget War Miners = S tier.
Also, please remember to include defence structures like Tesla coils.
Willthere ever come a video abput yuri or allied for ra2?
this week
@@xyhc-cnc So awesome *_*
A couple of veteran tesla troopers can deal serious damage to tanks with blast damage and killing 2 infantry instantly
Is there any chance you might made tier list of modded ra2 called "Mental Omega" since their subfaction is fairly interesting with load of units both original and from other C&C series
a kirov army can also be relatively easily ripped apart by some of the allied aegis ships
The Kirovs would need to fly over water (or at least be close to it) tho
@@n484l3iehugtil yeah its dependant of the map
rocketeers tear them to shreds as well but yeah if they have to cross water with aegis in there they are fucked. aegis demolish anything airborne within seconds
Fun fact I play as Iraq when I first play skirmish and I play Generals first before this game. The more you know.
Now I need a Generals Zero Hour Generals tier list because I can't find one.
If you're wondering why I mean is Dr. Thrax is high tier or lower tier?
kane's wrath tire list pls
How is the desilator a rank s unit when you can just use a sniper or a tanya against it?
RA2 meta is tank spam and a desolator deals so much dmg to enemy tanks, people use flak truck loaded with desolators to do a desolate bomb which will melt enemy tanks then you just win using your rhino tanks
If your first instinct to counter a unit is to either give up Airborne/Grand Cannons or throw a hero unit at it, then it's definitely S-Tier.
Subs should be a little higher! (a C) I have never lost a naval war when building them in big numbers. They obliterate dolphins and destroyers, especially when there are scorpions in the mix.
Apocalypse tanks worked wonders in vanilla against mirages and prisms, but BF and mind control in YR rendered them useless unless you mix them up with more stuff (choppers, IC).
Nobody expects flaks filled with tesla troopers and conscripts. You can ram them against an early army to make them run for their lives, then you just focus on destroying the important buildings while the enemy tries to avoid their firing range with speed.
Squids can't be mind controlled due to they are animals but then why they are Mind Controlled animals by Story? Yuri can't mind control an aleady mind controlled enemy for some reason?
I've wanted to make a theory on that since a month ago now
Controlled through pain.
Those rings on the Squid's head ain't for show, they're like shock collars.
siege chopper my beloved
Here are my agreements and disagreements. My opinions assume we are ignoring Industrial Plant exists - because with Industrial Plant, things get into a complicated and non-objective area where no proper discussion is possible. E.g. like is the unit in this tier only because of Industrial Plant? - does it even deserve to be there if not for Industrial Plant? - etc.
S-tier: If there is an S-tier for the Soviet units containing Rhinos and Desos, place the Prism Tank in there and you're gonna need more tiers above S-tier. Otherwise yes, relative for Soviet units, Desos and Rhinos belong here.
Terror Drone: Pops too quickly for that 500 cost. GIs, Gattling, Prism, Mirage. Pretty situational and does not have the all-roundedness of Rhinos and Desos so how can they share the tier with the Rhino? Sure there are situations where they're annoyingly strong but also situations they're sitting ducks -level weak.
Siege Chopper: Does not share the tier with the likes of Conscripts, Flak Tracks, Dreadnoughts. Not versatile enough. The need to take 5 secs to deploy takes that away from them. So no, they'd have to go lower down. Their cannons are nothing big anyway unless en masse, and en masse requires too must cost - Siege Choppers ARE NOT cost efficient units. Siege Choppers are not Terran Siege Tanks -level kinda strong. They require Battle Lab. No. Just no. They'd have to go down lower.
Dreadnought: I'm sitting on a fence. You didn't put them in the highest tier - I agree with you on that. But are they in the 2nd tier, though? They're strong in many cases and are defo not situational. But - in AI games they're pretty weak when the enemy already starts off with plenty of AA. I've seen their dark side though. I've seen enough situations where Dreadnoughts are weak, enough to reconsider putting them lower in tier level. But in most situations or rather in normal scenarios they're the strong units we know and love. But I'll sit on this decision and just let this pass for now.
Attack Dog: I don't think they're in 2nd tier. Unlike Conscripts who're all rounded and Flak Tracks who handle air and double as anti-infantry, dogs only handle 1 thing and they're the 1-trick pony just specializing in 1 thing. I'll put them lower but after going through a lot of reluctance. Another justification is that since I've dropped Terror Drone lower into 2nd tier, then it follows the dog gets pushed down to 3rd tier. I'm sorry, it was a tough call but that's my conclusion.
Boris: Doesn't share a tier with Giant Squid or Kirov. He's only there in 3rd tier because of nostalgia of the campaign or because he's so cool. Get over that nostalgia.
Giant Squid and Sea Scorpion: I'll do this 2 at a time. They have to be upgraded to the same tier as the Dreadnought. In fact I find Giant Squid and Sea Scorpions, though weaker than Dreadnoughts and lacking in apparent show of power, I find them to be more versatile and cost efficient than Dreadnoughts. If anything, Giant Squid and Sea Scorpions are at least on par with Dreadnoughts or even higher. The only real counter to the Giant Squid is the Dolphin whereas Dreadnoughts are countered by more stuff like AA and C4s. The Sea Scorpion is fast, cheap, godly versus air, can force fire on water to kill SEALs and Dolphins. Way too versatile for its cost.
Apocalypse: I agree with Apocs in 4th tier. Below Kirovs.
Tesla Troopers: Does not belong on par with Apocs. Go down lower. In fact they belong to hell. Even if they cost half price at 250, they'd only still be a tier below Apocs - that's - 5th tier. I'm strong about this opinion. If they cost 250 and have doubled damage at 100, and doubled health at 260, and were immune to dogs, then yes - into 4th tier Tesla Troopers go with Apocs. Thank you.
Demolition Truck: Would go way down with the Tesla Trooper. They also belong to hell. If they cost half price at 750 then yes - into 4th tier Tesla Troopers go with Apocs. Thank you.
Flak Trooper and V3: Kind of at home here at 5th tier. I think I agree. No wait - I saw Submarines in 5th tier too. I'd place Flak Trooper and V3 a tier below Subs - into 6th tier they go. Thank you.
Submarines: Yes they belong here in 5th tier. I agree. I think Boris comes down here to 5th tier. Boris would be 5th tier at best.
Tesla Tanks: Yes they belong here in 6th tier. I agree. Flak Trooper and V3 would join them here, and be at home in 6th tier.
7th tier aka G tier: Tesla Trooper and Demo Trucks come here.
8th tier aka H tier: Reserved for Ivans and Cubans.
EDIT: Minor typos and grammar errors.
Some pretty good points!
I did not place Prism Tank in S-tier;
This list is only for competitive games - AI games are not considered;
@@xyhc-cnc Oh great. Let me go over there and see. Oh only for competitive? Then yes, Prisms are not in S-tier.
lmfao the squid cons about the boomers lol
The thing is for me I tried to 1 on 1 the Siege Chopper (deployed) vs. Apocalypse, I was very surprised that the Deployed Siege Chopper can defeat Apocalypse, The Apocalypse seems not damaged the chopper. But Rhino can defeat the Chopper easily
When is the Allied units tier list?
terrorist is the only unit that deserves to be in f tier, he does jack sh.t, the tesla tank can atleast destroy buildings and shoot over walls, the terrorist can't even destroy buildings in one detonation.
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it's still weird to me that the gi's cost 100 more than the conscripts even when taking into account that the gi's can make themself into a make-shift pillbox.
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if you play on high economy maps with the apocalypse tank then it becomes quiet viable as 10 or more apocalypse tanks will easily crush anything and everything in their way.
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ahem, tesla tanks can do very good damage to tanks if they are in groups, if they are alone then they become vunerable to other tanks.
A bit too harsh on tesla tanks - Just because desolators are so widespread doesn't mean teslas should share a tier with the worst unit in the game, especially since you didn't put the somewhat-redundant demotrucks there either.
It's not about how good the unit is. It's about its competitive use cases and viability, which Demo Truck has plenty of and Tesla Tank has absolutely none.
@@xyhc-cnc I'll take your word on that but it still feels wrong to put it in the same tier as the terrorist
@@beefyblom it does feel wrong indeed
I literally Depend A whole Battles with Boris and and apocalypse
Damn man i was think Apocalypse Tank and Demolition Truck was should be in A Tier list rather than C, because these unit was making Soviet so OP beside Dreadnought and Kirov Airship. And i was grateful that Crazy Ivan not in F Tier
Even Typhoon Attack Sub in D Tier, but at least they have pros: Can beat Destroyer 1 on 1 duel
apoc A tier? you must always play against computer, never against human, pvp apoc is just useless
@@itaymaoz7498 its biggest weakness isn't its cost but its inability to fire while moving, its as if they were only balanced for RA2 but not Yuri once the Battle fortress became a thing making the Apocs completely religated to Bunker Buster defensive unit, but for the later and former there are better options and its better to use them as a destraction to protect more important units. (C tier is ok for it as if you managed to have caped and allied base you can use him to shield Prisms with its thick armor.)
didn't v3 rocket require tier 2 ?
You said Demolition Truck was slow
And then What about Bomb Truck?
GLA bomb truck is definetly not slow
Its cool my fav infantry unit in the game is S tier.
What is better red alert 2 or 3? For me red alert 3.
In my opinion Regarding soviet:
Boris should be S
Giant squad A or S
Kirov A
Flak F
Flak tank C
Conscript C
Apocalypse A or S
Regarding allies:
Prism tank S
Rocketter A
IFV S (especially for promoted one)
Yuri
Floating disc S
Brutes D
Mind control B
Boomer submarine A
You must never play against human, apoc/kirov/prism are only good against computer. For pvp, prism is not that good, and apoc and kirov are just trash
It’s Lasher Tank, not Laser
still the tesla tank is OP too but not very seen in in multiplayer
You never yet seen the power of a siege chopper you'll just need to spam them they are more more dangerous when they spam they have high damage when many
CRYOCOPTER GUIDE?
The least surprising thing on this list is V-3 being d tier
and the terrorists being F-tier
Yes good work
Red alert 2 allied tier list pls
TIL Engineers could defuse bombs.
V3 is tier 2.
oops
You might end up like tg now. lol
Napat Treetewawongsa lol
Do the Allies Next
nice video
3:05 Lmao😂
Soon, Mental Omega Soviet tier list. Haha.
Tesla Troopers are tier 1 Im pretty sure
Mental Omega Tier list.
I feel that you copied from website that has something inaccurate.
I did remember some things wrong. I never copy from websites.
Apocalypse tank should be in S tier because it's more powerful.
This is merely a list for every unit's frequency of use in the competitive scene...
In general, sure... But the Apocalypse Tank's tier level here indicates it's not used much in a competitive match... I mean why go far up the tech tree when Rhinos have already taken care of the meat?...
You must never play against human, apoc is only good against computer (except yuri). Pvp is just trash
@@louievelayo4100 and rhinos are harder to counter, apocs are more easily to get rekt by terror drones, yuris & magnetrons
*Cannot grapple boomers (because they respect the elderly)*
Ok boomer
*finnally*
I hope everyone can go play Mental Omega to see how glorious the Apocalypse tanks are. Of course super hard to get them due to the mechanism, but they can steamroll everything you face.
And unfortunately the Desolators are also kind of OP in Mental Omega too :P
I think they buffed the desolator damage output against armored vehicles, although their ability to irradiate the surrounding area has been nerfed.
For the apocalypse tank, i definetly agree.
Carmella Groves
BF and Apoc have the exact same speed. Just worth saying.
bf can attack move, apoc can't. also apoc is slow to accelerate, i.e. slow to reach its full speed, and thus appears slower than BF
@@itaymaoz7498 Not if you know how to control it and with the 2.0 balance patch they can auto shoot.
Wrong. tgSacred did a video about movement speed. The BF and Prism have the exact same speed, the Apoc is a bit slower.
@@handanyldzhan9232 Not wrong, Check ini files and you'll see they both have speed 4. The only reason it's "Slower" is because it needs to accelerate. But at full speed they are both the same speed.
@@nizzystorm7067 I'm not gonna link the video because UA-cam warns me whenever I link something to back up my points for some reason, but he explained that it's a bit different for vehicles.
In that video, you can see that it's simple for infantry: more base speed and lighter armor type = faster movement. But it's more complicated for vehicles, which is why you see stuff like V3s having acceleration mechanics, the Rhino being faster than the Tank Destroyer despite having the exact same base speed and armor type (both with no accel). There seem to be some hard-coded elements to speed (ignoring possibly weight or acceleration).
The BF in the race had the same speed as the Prism Tank (despite different armor types), and both were a bit faster than the Apoc. And I didn't notice any acceleration data in the Apoc section of the ini unlike with the V3, which also has the same top speed as the BF & Prism.
i dont care how bad they are terrorists are fun and losing the game is a price im willing to pay for getting to laugh at my friends who get blown to hell with flak rushes in LAN games
Frankly I don't think YR is really competitive……
Competitvely, Irap > Yuri > France/America > other countries
Boris is Thalassophobic?...
Oh right, he can't swim...
So Krukov being Boris is Canon now?
Well, it's more of a shame Cherdenko betrayed him then.
well, krukov attacked first, cherdenko just defended himself by commanding us to kill krukov
Oh no I'm in D :(
Seeing combat huskies always makes me laugh hysterically. Combat. Huskies.
renal man uses only Kirov
Thalassophobic xD
rhino tank-S
Apocalypse-C
Ive seen enough shit.
The tierlist is based entirely on competitive or PVP gameplay rather than casual or vs AI gameplay.
Reality dictates that the Rhino, being much cheaper, much faster, and much earlier to produce and thereby easier to swarm an enemy with no matter the tech level will outdo the Apocalypse tank in most competitive scenes. Further, the Battle Fortress and Mirage Tank utterly body the Apocalypse tank; the former because you can load it up with nonsense (Guardian GIs my beloved) and it can attack on the move while the Mirage Tank will simply outrange the Apocalypse tank. The only real way that Apocalypse even match or surpass Rhinos is against Prism tank spam, but since Prisms aren't as good as Mirages in PvP, that's just not likely to happen. Even then, Rhinos are just so good the way they are, their relative weakness against Prism tanks doesn't even matter that much.
@ 3 years ago holy, i probably always used to play offline