Allied Units Competitive Tier List | Red Alert 2
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- Опубліковано 30 чер 2024
- Welcome back to our Command & Conquer Tier List series. We're gonna rank all of Allies infantries, vehicles, naval ships, and aircrafts based on how viable they are in the online meta of RA2: Yuri's Revenge. I'll also provide reasoning and a competitive analysis of why I ranked a certain unit in their corresponding spot.
Note that this tier list is NOT based on a unit's overall strength. Units here are ranked by their viability in the meta. You may see a very strong unit being ranked low on this list - That is because they do not see many uses in online competitive gameplay.
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Time codes for units:
S - Tier:
GI - 0:08
Rocketeer - 0:21
Battle Fortress - 0:36
A - Tier:
Attack Dog - 0:55
Grizzly Tank - 1:09
IFV - 1:28
Mirage Tank - 1:44
Prism Tank - 2:07
B - Tier:
Guardian GI - 2:21
Navy SEAL - 2:46
Robo Tank - 3:02
Harrier - 3:23
C - Tier:
Chrono Legionnaire - 3:38
Sniper - 3:58
Black Eagle - 4:13
Dolphin - 4:32
Aircraft Carrier - 4:50
D - Tier:
Tanya - 5:10
Spy - 5:23
Aegis Cruiser - 5:42
F - Tier:
Tank Destroyer - 5:59
Nighthawk Transport - 6:28
Destroyer - 6:42 - Ігри
Mirage tanks only available until tier 3, yet still one of the pros is "Available at tier 1 and cheap ($600)".
Truly a master of camouflage.
lol that was a mistake, this was supposed to be for IFV not Mirage tanks
Should note that Nighthawks do not show up on the radar minimap, so they have a very niche use against people who don’t pay attention to their base
Correction: Mirage Tanks are Tier 3 units that cost $1000, and build 5 seconds faster than Rhino (0:40 instead of 0:45).
While editing this video, I honestly looked at the mini screen and thought for a second "Why's there nothing on screen?" when Mirages turned into trees
M8 im pretty sure the guardian ifv dont do more air aa but have much more range and come at a cost of slightly reduce damage thats what i remember from the time i play anyway because its always tooks them a few 2 or 3 more shot compare to a regular ifv to kill stuffs
But then again its almost a year ago so if you can looks into it it would be nice
Guardian GIs are available as soon as you have a barracks, unlike Flak Troopers. They're T1.
Hi, I want to know that what map you using on video?
Thanks you so much if you have map's file!
@@maxxtoan8596 Unfortunately I no longer have RA2 on my computer. I believe the map could have been this one but cannot be sure: www.cnclabs.com/downloads/details.aspx?id=2370
I probably got the map from CnC Lab, so if that wasn't the one, you can look around the site a bit. It's an Amazon rain forest themed map.
@@xyhc-cnc No problem, thanks you for this!
Dog's pros : Is a capitalist good boy
0:59, I guess they're the true Deutschland's finest.
1:13
So many cold war themed strategy games do this while in reality it was the other way around. The Soviets relied on mass numbers of mobile tanks especially the T-54 and later the T-72. While the allies relied on smaller numbers of heavier and more advanced tanks like the Chieftain and the M60.
Don't really agree with alot of the stuff on this tier list.
GI's - Not S tier. Just because America's paradrop ability is S tier doesn't mean the GI unit produced for $200 is.
IFV's - One of the least effective AA units in the game, much worse than Gatling tanks and flak tracks. It is also too weak to be used against armor, buildings or infantry. It has some play as a troop transport or by putting GI's, GGI's, or snipers in, but not enough to make it A tier. (although they are fucking broken when they become elite.) B or C for me.
Robot Tanks - Can be good situationally against Yuri, but still do way to little damage with way too little health to be B tier. C or D tier for me.
Harriers ranked higher than black eagles? Seriously? I don't understand how that makes sense. Korea might not be as good as America but they are still common enough online. Black Eagles are just a flat upgrade to Harriers, and a large upgrade at that.
Spies are fucking broken. Maybe not in 1v1 quickmatches, but in larger team games and FFA's they are honestly borderline OP. It isn't that hard to sneak spies into a war factory or barracks. IFV's can transport them very quickly and if your opponent is focused somewhere else it isn't that hard to infiltrate. Chronospheres can also help infiltrate with a high success rate. Once you do, you can get veteran rockies which are OP as hell, or you can build veteran grizzlies which are almost as strong as an un promoted rhino, but cheaper and quicker. You'll also get way more elites which is really powerful. I see spies alot in 3v3's, 4v4,s, 2v2v2v2's and 8 players FFA's.
Destroyers aren't great but they do have purposes and don't deserve F tier. Yes they are worse than dolphins and worse than subs, but on naval heavy maps you need to get early naval out so your opponent doesn't get an heavy naval lead. If they do, they can camp your shipyards and prevent you from building any naval, and then just wear you down with artillery. In these naval maps, you often have to get some destroyers out before you can tech up to dolphins. Destroyers also have the ability to hit land targets, which can make them useful for hit and run naval attacks on a oil derrick or any other buildings built too close to shore (super common on Tsunami, which is a really popular map on cncnet). Aegis's as well serve a purpose, sometimes you just need water based AA to defend your ships, and they work good enough at this role to bring them into C tier at least. Honestly it seems like you just don't play too many naval maps or team games.
Finally, why hate on the nighthawk? Its not a combat unit and shouldn't be ranked as such. It has niche uses as a transport however. If you need to capture tech buildings separated by water (like on arctic circle for example), allies are the only faction that can do this without having to build a naval yard. The fact that they are invisible on radar and have a weak machine gun doesn't hurt either.
Mirage Tank : Tier 1 600$
*Indeed*
Grizzly Tanks aren't the weakest MBT, they're identical to Lasher Tanks. Also, they're aren't weakly armoured. Grizzly Tanks maintain good health and one of the best armour ratings in the allied arsenal. I feel like it gets such a crappy view because it's always compared to the obviously OP rhino tank.
It's compared to Rhino Tank because Rhino Tanks are all over the meta. Everything has to be compared to them. A main battle tank that doesn't match that much armor basically is "weakly armoured".
I know Grizzly has the same HP as Lasher, but their armor types are different. In many cases, Lasher survives one more shot than Grizzly. See TG's tank comparison video.
@@xyhc-cnc no, they have the same heavy Type armour. You're mistaken about that
@@salt_97 Yeah I double checked. You're right
@@salt_97 how to counter battle fortress (with rockets and mgs inside) as soviet and allied?
@@karlhans6678 as Soviet, you should be rushing the allied player anyway so that they can't reach tier 3. Soviets are better early game, but fall vs allied late tech. Allied vs Allied, it's a bit more tricky. Easiest bet is also rush and stop your enemy from reaching tier 3, but you're also allied so your early game isn't the best. You could also counter their battle fortresses with your own.
Poor Tim Curry, his plan backfired.
miserably
What did you mean backfired?
@@blackops9operation75 he time travelled so that the allied technology wouldn't be as advanced as with einstein. One trip later and the flying frozen bastards are here
It was pretty lame that they get rid of Einstein, but then just pull FutureTech out of their arse so the Allies can have the same technology anyway. Meanwhile Soviets lost their nukes and the Rising Sun was created. Huge backfire indeed.
@@mjc0961 they shouldn't have done that. Clearly the replacement of einstein in the current timeline is tatsu and not futuretech. If anything its empire that should be getting all the advanced stuff
It's kind a sad that tank destroyers are so useless..
Even if they could shot while moving would them make so much better .. or buff their damage against buildings or infantries or both...
There so shitty overall.. it even hurts me..
Destroyers suprised me a bit... because they can shoot on surface .. it makes them more versatile as the typhoon
I agree that the ospreys suck huge though
It takes 3 rounds just to down 1 sub, and it takes f o r e v e r to reload.
Tank destroyers should have had long range attack capability with high velocity projectiles. Long range killers... like tank destroyers are in real life.
They did get buffed to be more viable in their specialized anti tank role. Germany players exist now I think.
Shooting at land is mostly irrelevant, their range is too short. They can't even beat a Grizzly 1v1.
"Tier S" Rocketeer, you can only use it against allies itself (or noobs who never build anti-air), which is pretty ironic.
And destroyers are one of the best units to against subs on "large" naval maps, they are the only units that can anti subs and move at the same time. Although soviet have sea scorpion that can shoot down those planes, but you can tying down your emeny's team through some micro without taking damage, and even annihilate them bit by bit.
The Soviet navy surpassed the allies in general, using dolphins to against subs is really not the best strategy "even you understand how to use them effectively".
**Note that I didn’t even mention Yuri’s navy**
I have played this game for a decade, there are just too many different situation in this game, 95% of the units have their purpose, and destroyers can be useful sometimes.
Tier lists are really not applicable to this game.
If you are not using Rocketeers against Soviets, you are doing something seriously wrong.
@@xyhc-cnc Rocketeer against soviet?? Idk if it's irony or what.
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@@xyhc-cnc Well, that soviet is weak and you used france, that's all. How many rocketeer have you made, 20? 20 tanks are enough to kill him twice. LOL
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Gun damage type is surprisingly high againts anything. And GI make use of it the most
You forgot to add the Chrono Commando, Chrono Ivan and the Psychic Commando, all of which are obtained when infiltrating each of the factions' Battle Labs.
They were rarely, if ever, used by the competitive player.
They were hard to acquire. You need a spy to infiltrate an enemy battle lab but spy can hardly fool an actual player and infiltrate a war factory or a refinery is far more beneficial choice.
And even if you somehow manage to get it, these units are as useless as Tanya in a meta. As the cooldown between each warp is too long for these unit to ever do anything before they die.
And Chrono Commando is the most expensive infantry in them game
they would all be D or F tier anyways: extremely expensive for very easily killable units that give enemy units instant promos upon killing them. Chrono commandos are fun vs ais but not very useful vs good players and chrono ivan is just as crap as regular ivans but FAR more expensive to build for basically nothing special
@@johncarter4956 but what about the Psi -Corps Trooper- Commando - a Yuri unit that gets the *C4 (knocking on the door)* and is available to you without the need for stealing Yuri's Barracks _and_ his Radar?
@@The-jy3yq That requires infiltrating a Yuri Battle Lab, and considering the Psychic Radar((cough)Sensor) can tell where the Spy is heading and breaks the Spy's disguise when he gets close, not worth it...
Wait Allies are not OP in Red Alert 2?! This is a cause for celebration! 🥳🥳💥
Good thing most people never try Chrono Legionnaires online ;) They're Cryocopters that can teleport
@AndrewtheDuke Harbinger Gunship
Pacifier X1
Future tank operation on
All of those units..its cool.... balanced...
@AndrewtheDuke I disagree compare to Yuri. Allies doesn’t even come close to OP unlike that faction the playstyle is a bit weird but once you mastered Yuri it’ll become the most OP and people hate to play against it
Soviet is really good early game rush. Allies need to tech up to tier 3 pretty fast or otherwise they won’t last long before they get destroyed
@AndrewtheDukesov are op in ra2 80% of players choose sov in red alert 2 quick match (ranked) because soviet can win without battel lab just go for multiwar factories and deso bombs
Allies are bettwr in yuri's revenge ecauae gi dmg is better and they have navy seal and bf so they can counter desos so soviet must go for iron curtain
@AndrewtheDuke no one plqy Britain in red alert ranked they all choose america and France
Still waiting for secret protocol tier list
Would you be doing tier lists for red alert 1?
Dreadnaughts are superior to aircraft harriers in every way except 1. Hornets have significantly more flak screen penetration than dread missiles. While a couple of flak tracks can hold off any amount of dreadnaughts, it takes significantly more flak to fully stop hornets. Paired with destroyers which can target land makes allied the preferred faction when performing island sieges
Surprising that the Prism Tank isn't at S tier.
From what I understand, even A is too high. They're cool AF and can outrange almost anything, but they're nowhere near as good in comp as they are against the AI, which simply can't handle long-ranged units at all. In a tank rush meta, no vehicle that sucks against tanks is gonna be a staple. They're useless against Soviets with their Rhinos, Desolators, Siege Choppers and Iron Curtains, and even though they're pretty good against most of Yuri's arsenal, they still lose to Magnetrons and Masterminds.
Also, even at their main job, which is to destroy buildings, they're vastly outclassed by GI BFs. Sure, Mirages are also outdamaged against vehicles and infantry, but at least they have their stealth gimmick. While Prisms are great at destroying buildings even compared to other land artillery, when you work out their DPS, GI BFs are just plain ridiculous against infantry, tanks and structures alike. Chances are you're playing as America to get free GIs every few minutes, so a GI BF only costs 2k, and if you can afford Prisms, you can probably also afford BFs.
Prisms are a bit more cost effective against concrete buildings like conyards and superweapons, and 5 of them can insta-kill almost any building when firing at once. They can also outrange tower defenses unlike GI BFs, but I barely see anyone build towers in high level play. They're considered too expensive and power-intensive to be worth it, so sentries and pillboxes are preferred. Yuri has stuff like Gatling bunkers and psychic towers though.
It's a shame because they have otherwise great attributes, but they're more like a B or C.
I hated RA2 DD (naval designation for destroyer) it was just absolutely horrible sucked really badly in the role it was supposed to take up. The gun is great against buildings, but oddly enough it was bad against armor. In the campaign I just used them in the lighting way and just rush the nuke. I mean they were terrible against subs, not good against armor. Osprey, practically worthless.
RA3 DD was amazing. So, yeah Allies have gone a long way.
RA1 DDs are very good too, missiles hit air, surface and water. Wins 1v1 against sub, outranges tesla coils, same cost as RA2 DDs.
Allies have really come far.
I expect Robots to be at Class C. Nice meme references
Meta for each game
Red alert 1= tank rush
Red alert 2= infantry spam
Red alert 3= air superiority
I thought tank spam was for ra2
@@tacotony3274 yeah infantry doesn’t do much in RA2 except being fodders to tank I mean people prefer to play Soviet in RA2 for a reason
I meant for allies, sorry if i forgot to especifically describe this little detail.
@@bsherman8236 that also kinda not true either Allies meta in RA2 are Mirage Tank or Battle Fortress spam although you technically right that people spammed Guardian GI to get into Battle Fortress
@@kratosgow342 idk man maybe assuming you are playing against a decent player you can't spam mirage/battle fortress right off the bat like rhinos, against yuri a single mastermind counters mirage/BF hard, mass grizzly are weak and can be easily countered by few terror drones, paratroopers/garrisons and rocketeers are a pain in the ass to deal with, from my personal experience allied players need to use their infantry very well in ra2 if they wanna last long enough against a tryhard yuri/soviet 1v1.
ok you know what i think this tier list isn't that good, i think spies deserves to be on a higher rank because if you actually made him get into enemy base he can turn the tide easily but maybe at least c tier to him and prism tank and mirage tank deserves S tier when you combined strategies with mirage tank and prism tank they are overwhelmly powerful
All the chrono legionnaries makes me hate cryocopter and cryo legionnaires even more. Who designed such an op unit that is available in tier 2.... :/
Great video bud.
German sheperds apparently
Mental Omega: almost perfect yuris revenge
Competitive players we will see about that
Since you put all unique units, thoughts on the Grand Cannon?
Grand Cannon is a unique building though but if we had to rank it it is an easy S tier since France is usually banned in online games because Grand Cannons are freaking OP
2:07 Yeah, y'all wanna know why the the Allies are OP?...
This thing started it... 9 or more Prism Tanks is instant bye-bye base...
Literally...Combine some Prism Tanks with some Battle Fortress with GGIs and it was almost unstoppable since Prism Tanks have insane range to keep Yuri Clones away of the BFs
Yes, they're the Allies' main siege units for a reason... Talking about the Prism Tank...
1:51
That mirage tank kinda sus
I usually play yuri on cncnet with rebalance patch, so tank destroyer is actually pretty good to use.
What about base defences? Prism Tower, Patriots, Pillboxes and Grand cannons?
you kinda forgot the carrier here doesnt have minimum range.... it can fist fight just about any ship in the game as long as there is no AA present.... (except the squid)
Are you going to tackle each faction top secret protocols and how they affect units and gameplay or is it just the unit tiers?
RA2 has no top secret protocols. Just superweapons, scouting, and force shield, which is something all factions have access to.
@@ruslanametov6733 I was talking about ra 3 because this channel mainly makes theories and unit tier review about ra 3 units
@@ruslanametov6733 Allies don't have scouting
Spy Satellite doesn't count, it's the additional building to make up for Ore Purifier's existence
Gi damage in red alert 2 is verry weak so he's not S class in ra2 ,he can't even kill scouting dogs
But in yuri's revenge his dmg is op so 1 gi = building repair speed
Someone has been playing among us lately you know what I mean when read spy downsides
Now read the Mirage Tank summary
lmao
2 max rank snipers (Easy to pull off) can easily wipe most any infantry mass, put em in an IFV as well.
To anybody thinking tank destroyers are even close to ok, listen to this. I tried my absolute hardest to do a tank destroyer only game against an easy ai, and one single prism with repairs could outlast 50 of them at once.
Tank destroyers are great... at what their specific purpose is, killing tanks. Backing them with some IFVs or a couple battle fortress units filled with AA and anti-infantry can be a good little mixup. I agree the TD should have been better but in terms of damage against tanks, he's nearly unrivaled. I'd say it's middle of the road. Useful in the right situation. Cost efficiency, though, is a totally different story because they are hard to spam unless you're fighting someone who has no idea how to play, giving you more than a chance to build a sturdy economy. Same with an easy AI as they really don't expand past their starting area.
TL;DR
Tank destroyers are phenomenal at hunting other armored vehicles and trash at being a main battle tank.
@@zombied3stroy3r9gaming4 problem with tank destroyers is its dependant on NOT picking a vastly superior faction. You could mount a case against free gi spam but you cant additionally mount a case against that and grand cannon
I used to spam prism tanks and rocketeers to demolish bases in seconds
1:45 Mirage tanks are available at tier one, but not available until tier 3?
Crap! Forgot to delete that line!
Correction: Mirage Tanks are Tier 3 units that cost $1000, and build 5 seconds faster than Rhino (0:40 instead of 0:45).
@@xyhc-cnc Oh ok. Great video!
Allied Units Competitive Tier List | Red Alert 2 (YR) Yes there is a deffrence between those game and the same untits.
interesting, all units from C&C red alert 1 and 2 look alike the units from C&C generals zero hours. as well the firts C&C tiberium .
I know it's a structure, not a unit, but where would the Grand Cannon be on this list, if one were to try and place it on here?
probably A
So, GIs is to RA2 as Cryocopters is to RA3? (Or was that Vindicators to RA3?)
Vindies, Chrono legionaire is the cryocpter in ra2
GIs are the RA2's Peacekeepers.
@@Starfleet8555 I was speaking meta-wise.
Interesting gamer terminology in this video that I wasn't familiar with. Can someone explain what they mean by 'bulky' in this context? Also 'meta', is that just gamer speak for the favoured strategy to win?
Bulky means being high in armor / hp;
Meta also refers to what units people tend to use (e.g. Desolator would be good in a meta where tanks are overused, but would suck if this was Red Alert 3, where air units are dominant in the meta)
like the ra2 soviet video this one also only captures the dim outlines of the meta and has plenty of factual inconsistencies to correct
fun fact, the allies and soviets have different naval transports statwise as well, which I would have brought up if you were going to go on and on about the grizzly being inferior to the lasher but not mentioning the stats that make it so
Actually, if you are rating units based on competitive play and meta, then you don't need so many tiers. 4 at most is enough. Then only the 2 highest tiers matter. The bottom tiers will just be there as filler to fit the remaining units. There's not much discussion if you choose to go competitive-only and meta-only. Yes, your list then makes sense. But then - it becomes very limited for serious and objective discussions. My style and approach is holistics - units judged on past present future across even AI games - their intrinsic values. If the units have been misplaced into wrong tiers, I'd tell you what buffs or nerfs they need to belong into the tier you put them in.
Why intrinsic values matter - in non-static games like Dota 2, patches happen often. Your intrinsic value of units give a gauge or rough guess of how their power and performance would swing from patch to patch. Something too strong indicates it's gonna get nerfed in future, something too weak indicates it's gonna get buffs in future. If it's a static game and you base your tier levels on competitive-only and meta-only, then it becomes too easy - they're mainly popularity based or on frequency, how often they're bought and used. And the frequency diagram will be skewed - top 2 tiers will dominate. Anything else are filler and don't need so many tiers to slot into. Example would be Soviets. The tier system would simply be Rhino and Deso in S-tier. Anything that still sees play in A-tier. Everything else in F-tier with no need for BCDE. That's my 2 cents.
Now i want to see the mental omega competitive tier list because i wonder that if they balanced everything, there should be a difference in viability
That'd be quite the undertaking by XYHC, especially given how the tier lists would almost certainly have to be by subfaction with how many changes are between each of them.
Im already in MO discord so i get to see tierlists
tbf i actually thought robot tank was about C-Tier since only useful was against yuri after all.
But way too vital in Yuri match-ups
Only tank destoryer use is to counter the spaming rhino player
the tank destroyer annihilates my prism so i have my revenge
Why I look at avatar of Mirage, its cannon can rotate but in reality, ít cannot rotate its one :))
Aegis Cruiser, Spy, Guardian Gi's are way too low, they're all absurdly powerful units. IFV's, mirage tanks, and prism tanks also should be higher. Guardian GI entirely outclass their counterparts (Brutes, tesla troopers, flak troopers)
In fact, all of those units got seriously nerfed by RA3, just to show how powerful they are.
Allies are incredibly strong in RA2. Whereas the Sov's are stuck with rosters of mediocre or worthless meme units. (V3, Crazy Ivans, flak troopers, kirovs etc)
The only bad unit is the destroyer.
yeah this is more based on 1v1
Tank Destroyers at F-tier, why are we not surprised... 🤣
Guardian Gi stuffed in IFV? Isn't this a downgrade?
Not as anti-air. Like Javelin in IFV they sucks at bring down plane. But work well againts tank.
"Grizzlies are the weakest tank."
Last I checked, that was the Lasher Light Tank. In the games code: Lasher Light Tank, Grizzly Medium Tank, Rhino Heavy Tank; which all match up to the tank types from Red Alert 1.
Though in terms of usefulness, I can see why: Grizzlies don't excel at anything; their speed and damage are average, as is their armor: While the Lasher Tank is super fast but their armor is paper, and the Rhino Tank is super strong, and tanky; but much slower.
It's just a name of tank. The Lasher tank has stat very similar to the Gizzily tank. But Lasher projectile is faster.
@@ILoveNigga Fair, the Lasher does shoot faster; but it also has far weaker armor. In a 1v1 tank battle; the two pretty much match each other out; but at the end of the day; neither mainline tank comes into play much due to better alternatives.
Battle Fortress armed with Guardian GIs and Prism/Mirage Tanks makes the Grizzly kinda cute; and the Lasher Tank is kinda cancelled out by just building way more Gatling Tanks with either a Magnetron or a Mastermind.
@@Kohchu Bruh I think you have placebo effect from the name of the tanks. It's probably referencing RA1 (I don't really know because I hadn't played that), But IN THE GAMES CODE, which I know and is looking right now because I'm modding stuff, the Lasher LIGHT Tank has the same armor as Grizzly Medium Tanks which is Armor=Heavy, So all MBTs have the same armor, The health, which is the called strength in the code, is where the difference happen, which is basically Rhino has more and Grizzly and Lasher are equal.
Also, Lashers don't shoot faster than Grizzlies, They have the same ROF (Which is what determines the time to shoot again), the Lasher's bullets just travels faster and hits grizzlies before they can retaliate. This is important because ROF is very sensitive in that it could exponentially deal more damage by just lowering it even by a little.
Basically, a lot of misinformation is being spread because everyone kinda had the placebo effect, even with Lashers having to shoot "faster". Though
@totallynotwesternspy4858 wasn't wrong about his info about the Lasher. It's just the bullet travelling faster and not having anything to do with reload.
Also just to restate what you said because it's kinda funny but not trying to be mean though, "far weaker armor"? Bruh 😂 at best they're equal at worst the grizzly lose
The next video: Soviet Units Competitive Tier List | Red Alert 2
I'm sure it's already done
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oh no
sexy Nod SEALs exist
ooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
Prism tank ,Mirage tank and ageis crusier thats broken unit
Ggi are t1
So where is the link
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XYHC thanks
In a nutshell, why Tank Destroyer sucks - they have the best damage of their own against vehicles after the Apocalypse (The Battle Fortress is better only if it is filled with GI or Guardians), but they cannot at least scratch the infantry, or remove paint from buildings.
better add : free market capitalist