Kia Telluride vs. Toyota Grand Highlander vs. Honda Pilot vs. VW Atlas | 3-Row SUV Comparison Test
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- Опубліковано 1 чер 2024
- The Kia Telluride has been the gold standard when it comes to three-row midsize SUVs for a few years now, but the competition has been working hard to catch up. In addition to the all-new Honda Pilot and updated Volkswagen Atlas, the Telluride now faces perhaps its fiercest competitor yet: the all-new Toyota Grand Highlander. Will the Telluride hold onto its crown against new-and-improved competitors? Find out with Edmunds’ Brian Wong in our three-row midsize SUV comparison test.
Honda Pilot pricing & review: edmu.in/41LPYHv
Kia Telluride pricing & review: edmu.in/3Qx1VKo
Toyota Grand Highlander pricing & review: edmu.in/3ox6fAC
Volkswagen Atlas pricing & review: edmu.in/3tpeotw
00:00 Intro
00:58 Edmunds' Ratings
01:52 Interior & Comfort
03:24 Technology & Safety
06:12 Cargo & Storage
09:28 Value & Fuel Economy
11:30 Edmunds' Take
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Each of these three-row SUVs brings something to the table, so what's the most important factor for you if you're shopping for a family vehicle? Let us know in the comments below!
Easy Edmund’s
The Kia is the best.
A comparison of ride quality (acceleration, breaking, handling, suspension comfort, cabin noise, etc) is really missing in this video, which is no less important for many. Please also consider this and other important criteria in your future comparisons.
The Kia and Toyota both don't have bench seats for the top trim and only the VW and Honda does but Honda is pretty old for all the factors, so VW wins I think if you need bench seats and the top trim.
Grand highlander front looks like a fish 🐟 . Back looks like a stretch rav4. They should have just called it the grand rav4. It's not good-looking. How can you make a car thats supposed to look lik3 the highlander but better look like a stretch rav4. If I'm paying that type of money for this car which is 50k plus. I'm not trying to buy something that looks like a stretch 30k suv.
Now if you consider the market mark up each brand’s dealer charge is insane. KIA dealer here charges an insane 6K over MSRP on top of the dealer add on packages. So you are looking at a 10k over MSRP.
This summer I had the same dilemma. And in the end I finished with a minivan 😂.
probably a better choice. minivans are way more practical
Which minivan??
Bro lol
Out of all the vehicles I test drove, the Honda Pilot got my heart immediately. It sits high up with A LOT of visibility, drives so lightly/smoothly, is spacious with the usability of a minivan, and has a naturally aspirated V6. Not to mention the high resale value with 55% after 5 years. Honda really knows how to tune their I-VRTM transmission because the drive train was incredible. Honda for me.
Look at the design, typical honda bland, side profile looks weird and bloated
u forgot recent honda recalls?
@@andresmattos7541 I don’t mind the bland design of the new Honda Pilot. All I need is a work horse that I could abuse around for years with high resale value.
Don’t even get me started with the Korean recalls, especially their engine fire risks. It got so bad that even the federal agency had to step in and mandate recalls. People are even advised to not park their Hyundai/Kia cars in the garage for those spontaneous combustions even when the engines are turned off. And yes, it’s for 2023 models as well not just “pReVIous yEaRS”
@@lane5686 "NHTSA REPORT ON HONDA RECALLS: If the vehicle is involved in a crash to the left front fender area under certain
circumstances, a short circuit to the power circuit can occur and the battery cable can overheat, increasing the risk of a fire and/or injury." 😂😂
Well its a matter of time when a Honda will catch fire too, so we now we both agree that kia/hyundai and japanese cars do have bad apples and they are both relatively reliable, so I rather take the one that is not bland and boring one and that is not the Honda.
@@andresmattos7541and you forgot all the Kia/Hyundai recalls over the past years?
How can a comparison of family haulers like these not have a word about ride quality? I know there's a comfort category in the comparison, but that was more about interior amenities/space than ride quality, as indicated in the video. That's a major omission imo.
This are not Maybach
Probably because it would have dropped the telluride down, and most of these channels love the telluride. I drive the new pilot, grand Highlander and telluride and I would say the pilot has the best driving dynamics and drivetrain refinement.
This isnt the full review of any of these vehicles. Im sure if you went to edmunds youd find the complete assement of each.
LOL kia hater. im not saying your wrong about the driving dynamics. But they have no reason to favor one car unless its better@@gabepena2689
@@Petchyalater If that's true, then it's even more of a reason to include ride quality in the review since, if you're going to cover the main aspects of a family hauler in a quick review, ride quality needs to be one of them. It's certainly more important to me than commenting on the looks of each vehicle's interior, as the reviewer did, which I can see for myself.
People keep smack talking Toyotas designs but you have to remember a key thing! Toyota focuses on QUALITY and LONGEVITY vs looks! I'd rather take a car that is going to last, vs one that looks good but dies (or gets stolen,cough KIA!) I just got my Grand and it's INCREDIBLE!!!
Edmunds is so in love with the telluride and the money they earn from kia
Telluride rates high almost every where, it’s just that good.
UA-cam car reviewers are in love with the Korean cars. I drove them and wasn't impressed at all.
On the other hand, UA-cam mechanics all favor Honda and Toyota over the Korean cars.
@@CaliSteve169 I'm a mechanic and I think the Kia wins hands-down for the price. They were rated in the top ten across all major car brands for reliability this year, and the last 5 or so. Meanwhile Honda has steadily declined to below average, and has horrible features for the price. Toyota still is a reliability giant, but when most of your competitors are reliable you can't get away with price gouging to match the same options others have for a fraction of the cost. I pulled the numbers from JD power by the way, but in my experience in the last couple of years tacomas have become garbage vehicles, and Honda has been going down the drain. Kia used to be the bottom of the barrel but they've really turned it around the last 8 or so years.
Well, the telluride has won 3-row suv of the year for 5 years in a row.
And the Pilot is still my #1 pick haha. Screen is the perfect size not to big or small.
Way too small. No one is saying it’s too big I promise.
Unfortunately, so biased against Honda Pilot and favouritism towards Kia, what about reliability, transmission, ride quality?!!!!!
My 2019 Kia Telluride is such a cool and great car.
Provide us with an update in 5 years or 150,000 miles, whichever occurs first.
Funny, as there wasn't a model year 2019 Telluride...😂😂
@@wbwayne8887 first models were delivered in early 2019, so I can forgive someone for mixing up the year of purchase and model year.
@danieljohnson4418 look at current Toyota and honda mass recalls and the current Toyota owned Daihatsu scandal and get back to us. 😂😂😂
@ALMX5DP delivered yes, but they were still considered 2020 model year vehicles. I am glad you are enjoying yours. We have it's platform mate, the 2020 Hyundai Palisade, and it's also been flawless in over 70K miles.
I'll happily take that smaller dashboard screen in the new Pilot, I don't want a bunch of multimedia distractions flashing at me as I drive my family around. And the Honda's V6 drivetrain is a winner for me. Powerful, smooth and durable.
Durable like Honda's current massive recall 😂😂
@@andresmattos7541 The 3.5 is one of the best engine designs ever manufactured anywhere in the world, kid.
That's not for the 23 pilot @@andresmattos7541
@@Mike-lt6sj But did you see the recent Honda massive recall you son?
@@andresmattos7541every car manufacturer has recalls here and there. Doesn't show anything about reliability.
This video was super helpful. I’m in the market for a SUV and needed some quick insight.
Preciate your work
What good is Kia's warranty if dealers find sleazy ways of denying warranty coverage?? Kia has the nicest interior, by far, of these 4, but dealing with shady Kia dealers is just not worth the hassle.
Awesome comparison. Very insightful and a fun edit to watch. Thanks!
Yes, if Kia actually honored their warranty commitments they would have a clear winner, unfortunately this is not frequently the case in my experience.
Hyundai too, wouldn’t cover my parents Sonata for warranty work, they said it’s out of warranty since they bought it in January. Except they didn’t buy the car till August, and even when they showed the service dept all the paperwork from buying it, service said their computers say something else. Hyundai corporate was useless as well.
Yep, Kia will need a motor at 101,000 miles like almost all kia/Hyundai’s.
Great video, informative and fun. Keep up the good work. Awesome....
Kia has made great progress, I’m loving my 2023 Sportage X-Pro.
You should have mentioned the trim levels of the vehicles you reviewed. The Kia EX trim level doesn't have the remote second row seat release from the back like you showed. Also, oddly enough, the lower trim models have the backup collision warning, but nothing for the front. I've owned my 2023 Kia Telluride for a year and put about 12,000 miles on it. It's had 3 recalls (side air bag wiring harness, rear speaker crash pad, instrument panel software) and the left rear passenger door could not be opened from inside the vehicle due to unconnected linkage inside the door (warranty repair). The dealer offered a free oil change to which I added a tire rotation which took 2 hours even with an appointment. The mechanic failed to tighten three lug nuts on my RR tire. I won't use the same dealer in the future, and I'll likely trade it in for a Honda Pilot. The Telluride's switchology is quirky (e.g. "automatic" climate control really doesn't adjust fan speed automatically). It should be noted that the Highlander and VW are only available with a 4 cylinder engine whereas the Kia and Honda still come with a 6 cyl standard engine. To get the equivalent power of a 6 cyl engine, Toyota and VW turbocharge their engines, which adds complexity and possibly worse reliability compared to Kia and Honda.
I agree with what you say and I'd add the Grand Highlander hybrid (not the MAX) should have been given more weight in this. If you consider the Grand Highlander's hybrid - which to me is what really sets it apart (Its the only hybrid available in this size vehicle) - the 4 cyl does not have a turbo and, though he mentioned it in passing in the video - the MPG is in the high 30's. Crazy. I'll take Toyota reliability in a tried-and true 4cyl hybrid any day over the others (Toyota has been doing the HiMH/4cyl hybrid for over 20 years now - its proven, reliable technology)
Yup!
@@CH-mp8eu yes, but that hybrid battery needs to be replaced every 3-5 years at a cost of around $6500. You'll spend about $1000 more to replace the battery than you'll save on gas if you drive 15k miles and replace the battery at the 5 year mark.
@@ahill209 Source for the claim that Hybrid batteries will need to be replaced every 3-5 years. Is it from the Oil and Gas industry?? These batteries have a 100,000 mile warranty.
@@trumpisastump9382 source was a Toyota dealer. Further research confirms the 100k mile warranty. Replacement cost is still $6k.
When it comes to value the Kia does Not score well here in Texas as they all have a minimum $5k mark up. Toyota and Honda in my city have a $1500 in silly add one that they require you to get. I was thinking of a fully loaded Kia Telluride at around $54k, but after mark up it is close to $60k. For that price I would rather buy the Toyota Grand Highlander Hybrid Max platinum for about the same price with way more power. All I am saying is that all the reviewers say what a great deal you get with a Kia, but in real life you end up paying way more for it, so it is no longer such a great deal. With the mark ups, Kia is no longer a great value.
Funny. Here in California every car is marked up from Telluride to Toyota but Toyotas are marked up like crazy to the point where you might as well get a Lexus at that point.
It's sad where a one way plane ticket & gas money can really end up saving you money.
@@Yourleftismyright88 wow, I guess every state is different. I lived in Miami before and it was full of Volkswagen while here in Texas is Toyota, Honda and pickup trucks. I am currently visiting Colorado and they seem to have tons of Subaru.
Good luck finding a car make that does not mark up prices. LOL
@@Yourleftismyright88 you can pretty much buy a BMW with the Toyota markup price in California
I still love the KIA. How did VW get their interior controls so wrong?
It's actually insane to think about. They paid people to design it.
You like unreliable
Cars?
@@gigi9467 KIA has the best warranty of the group. And Consumer Reports says it's been reliable. Better than average.
@gigi9467 you're saying VW is reliable????? 😂😂😂😂
@@pault1439 not at all that’s another Pos
@gigi9467 which one do you like or would be your choice?
Just how big do we need screens to be…especially when you’re not really supposed to be looking at it that much. 🤣
Big
Good video but what trims did you compare (All top trims?)? I take issue with the screen size. The bigger screens are just more distraction. I get that bigger screens should give you bigger buttons and things like text size should be bigger but I think that these screens still end up taking too much driver attention away from the driving task. I"ll agree with the other folks about not including a ride and handling as well.
For me less tech means better car less things to break. I still don’t understand the need for all those features, when I drive all i need is music, nav, and change ac that’s it. Please stop putting tablets in carsi don’t need it
Me too. Hate all the unnecessary tech gismo.
You compared x- line telluride to base models competitors?
Yeah biased
Dude! grand highlander isn't mid-size crossover suv, it's a full-size crossover SUV. Like Chevy Traverse, Mazda CX-90. This a new class emerging recently .
Also the atlas and the new redesigned Acadia are full size crossovers too
Grand Highlander is not that big in dimensions tho.
@@manofsesame3024 its longer than 5.10m. which make it classified as full-size suv/crossover.
CX-90 is amazing
You guys should figure out a reliability category as this heavily weighed on my decision.
There's no need to talk about how they drive because they all drive great, which is necessary for the market these days.
I see a lot of people mentioning CX90, and I love that suv. However, its space isn't enough compared to those 4. It's much more like a competitor to a regular Highlander.
i think its because From the outside its big like these 4, but you’re right the interior space is definitely more regular highlander
Do you guys even consider the Kia's resale value? The monthly payment of it vs what else you can get with that money? How about the number of recalls? Unknown fire issues? The easeness of starting the car with a screwdriver?
Kia telluride is known as one of the best suv in the market. For resale value, it depends on your region and how people interact with it. In my country no one will buy suabru and have very low resale value unlike in USA.
@@sayedengine Subaru sales in the US has been declining for years as well. Telluride has pretty good resale value in Canada but not that good value in the States.
yes, yes... Kia this Kia that, what about the Hyundai/Kia quality and customer service? I would love to see long term reviews and dealer experiences.
I think the majority of these style of reviews are for people who won't own a vehicle long enough to know/care about long term reliability. Kia/Hyundai are using dated engines and transmission while dazzling people with gadgets/tech. Honda seems to use a more focused approach to design. Less style, more substance.
@@discipleofjmb HONDA HEADACHES: 🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂
Brake and Rearview Camera Defects
Honda recently issued recalls for various models due to brake and rearview camera defects. These recalls address potential safety hazards that can result in accidents and injuries.
Unexpected Loss of Brake Function: Honda recalled over 124,000 Civic, Passport, and Pilot vehicles, including certain model year 2020-2021 Civic, 2020-2023 Ridgeline, 2021-2023 Passport, 2021-2022 Pilot, and 2020 Acura MDX vehicles. The recall was prompted by concerns that the vehicles could experience an unexpected loss of brake function, increasing the risk of a crash.
Defective Brake Holds: Another recall impacted nearly 400 model year 2023 Civic, Accord, Acura RDX, and Acura Integra vehicles. These vehicles were manufactured with defective brake holds, leading to potential movement while the brake hold is activated. Honda plans to notify impacted vehicle owners by mail, starting from July 24.
Rearview Camera Concerns: Honda recalled over 1.1 million Odyssey, Pilot, and Passport vehicles due to defective rearview cameras that may not display properly. This recall applies to model year 2018-2023 Honda Odyssey, 2019-2022 Honda Pilot, and 2019-2023 Honda Passport vehicles. A non-functional rearview camera can compromise the driver's visibility, increasing the risk of a crash or injury.
Class Action Lawsuits against Honda
In addition to the recalls, Honda is facing class action lawsuits that allege serious defects in its vehicles' components.
Variable Timing Control Actuator Defect: A class action lawsuit filed against Honda claims that the automaker knowingly sold vehicles with defective variable timing control actuators. The alleged defect, affecting model year 2012-2014 CR-Vs, 2012 Accords, and 2012-2015 Crosstours, can lead to catastrophic engine failure and poses a safety hazard.
Defective Electric Power Steering Systems: Two separate class action lawsuits were filed against Honda, asserting that model year 2022-2023 Honda Civic vehicles were manufactured with defective electric power steering systems. These systems may "stick," requiring an increase in steering effort, leading to overcorrections and potential collisions.
Electric Braking System Sticking: Another class action lawsuit argues that Honda sold model year 2022-2023 Honda Civic vehicles with electric braking systems that can stick at highway speeds. This alleged defect can cause vehicle owners to overcorrect, increasing the risk of collisions.
THERE IS YOUR HONDA RELIABILITY. 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
...but if you want one that will last a lifetime and give you the least worries, you go with Toyota or Honda. That's important for families that already have so much to worry about
My local Toyota dealer is selling Grand highlander hyb max for $69600... I find it insane how expensive many cars are getting these days.
You probably won’t find a Max for under 65 pre tax. All the reviews saying the car could be bought for 62k is a massive deception.
wow, almost seemed sponsored by kia lol
When you have the best vehicle in a class you get those perks.
Haters gonna hate no matter what lol. Im sure you drive a Bentley.
@@andresmattos7541 whose hating? grand highlander is a better suv almost all around but the telluride wins once again 3-4 times in a row? yea right..
@@illestBadMON GHL is not better for most people. It’s only better for the Toyota fanboys.
What about the Lexus TX? How does it compare in terms of ride and quality?
Tx gets destroyed by the telluride
I really have to wonder why you wouldn't compare it to its sister car the Hyundai Palisade.
Because they are basically the same expect for some styling differences.
@tigerskone2945 it's not the same. They drive differently due to different suspension has been fit in, also awd engage differently
Toyota needs to hire new designers. The “refreshed” Highlander already looks outdated. Honda Pilot isn’t much better.
Pilots way better than the grand highlander
Yeah its not the prettiest of these bunch thats for sure
... Do you remember what Toyotas used to look like?
You said the truth they look tired and deleted smh
Pilot is a lot better
Good video but it focuses in short term features. If you consider reliability, long term maintenance cost and resale value, the Toyota Grand Highlander and Honda Pilot would be the absolute winners. For example, the VW Atlas have shown very poor reliability and quality issues.
Pretty sad that you have a comparison video and you don't even compare how well the vehicles drive on the road. Yes, these vehicles aren't supposed to drive like a sports car, but there are significant differences between these 4 vehicles (I've test driven all of these recently) on how fun they are to drive as well as how safe they make you feel when driving more aggressive. This a poor job of a comparison for such a big company like Edmunds.
Like buyers of this segment care about disability 😂😂
Ah yes, driving enthusiasts can only dream of riding hard on these suvs
If driving really mattered to buyers in this category the Explorer and Durango would kick ass.
most shoppers in this category don't care about driving dynamics, powertrain, etc. Edmunds did fine with this comparison.
I understand everyone has there favorite and these comparisons are not easy to do, however the Atlas is the one vehicle of the group that actually has functionality issues. It’s interface (lack of buttons) are actually impossible to operate in certain situations for functions that should have a dedicated button. The only issue I had was this whole comparison was how high of a score you gave the Atlas for its tech when I would gladly take the smaller screen in the Honda as opposed to Atlas with real issues
I agree. He’s was more concerned about the screen size than actual functionality.
Have you actually ever extesnively tried VWs system or are you just complaining because you hear other people who also probably havent used it extensively complain? The hate is geniunely is so overblown for VWs system, it is perfectly fine, its not even remotely "impossible to operate", I have no idea where you got that from. The Pilot's small screen makes the touch points on it smaller and harder to correctly select things on the screen while driving than any of the other cars, thats just about as much as a "functionality issue" as the Atlas.
Since when 9 inches is tiny?
I actually don’t know why these enormous screens are necessary in these new vehicles.
Like everyone wants theatre sized screens in the dashboards of their cars nowadays😂
I agree but honda shouldn't have given a 12 inch screen for accord😂
This is one of those areas that reviewers seem kinda detached from the regular population. Is a big screen nice? Yeah, but it’s also at the bottom of my list regarding the features I actually care about in a family vehicle.
The irony of Toyota and Honda stans bringing up reliability as if newer model Toyotas and Hondas both haven't had a number of issues in recent years.
I really like the VW, but them controls are a no go for sure. I don't want to be driving and trying to adjust temp with the screen
Correct it's a shame cuz last version (before the redesign) has a simple logical layout for the interior, and they killed it with the redesign.
Just get a 23. Slightly smaller screen but physical controls and a v6 option
The Kia is king of this segment. The upcominf chevy traverse looks nice but this generation of telluride with the v6 will be an overlanding machine ten years from now with their third owners because i feel like that v6 will last forever.
It would be nice if you compared the all wheel drive systems on these vehicles.
What is with Honda and their interior tech? It always like it’s one generation behind for ages now 🤦♂️
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I really want to see a wider test across the segment with the american brands included. Jeep GC, Ford Explorer and Chevy Traverse. I don’t see a lot of comparison tests with these vehicles included, should be interesting to see where each one excels and lacks
I think they only did the top sellers in these three row suv. American cars do not come close to these juggernaut sale monsters.
@@dhrudry1 I would disagree, its almost the opposite in sales trends, hence my curiosity. All three have the best sales in mid size SUV segment. Q3 2023 alone GC was almost double in sales compared to the best selling non american SUV, telluride (granted they most likely club the GC and GCL sales figures). Ford and Chevy too sell roughly 5-8k more units than Telluride.
no point including the currently available traverse as it's long in the tooth and about to get a major overhaul. the explorer is older as well, although I'm not sure if a refresh is coming or what it's sales numbers look like. GC-L is relatively new and could've been included on this list. The 4 vehicles on this comparison make sense, however, as they are all relatively new; GH is brand new, current gen Pilot is like a year old, Atlas just got a refresh within the past year and the Telluride refresh was a bit over a year ago I believe.
The pilots screen might be dinky but its user friendly and the Honda badge is something to take into consideration. Love the flexiability to remove the middle seat in the pilot. Nice video. Watch out for the highlander, they will nickel and dime you with subscriptions😔
Getting my telluride soon
I'm a Toyota loyalist since the 90s but I'm buying my first Honda ever because the Pilot offers a V6 all motor which I'm more familiar and I believe the Trail edition will meet my family's need space-wise and can gets us to remote camping locations more reliably. It will be a good addtions to my 4x4 TRD Tacomas. 🙃
In addition, this video is definitely sponsored by Kia! 😉
Yep
The Pilot is by far the best choice here.
One category should been!
RELIABILITY!
1.Toyota
2.honda
3.volkswagon
4.Kia 🤦🏽♂️
Kia and Volkswagen and Toyota ❤❤
if reliability and customer service/honoring warranty work was considered, Kia would of been at the bottom of this score card. that V6 motor in the pilot is one of the best motors ever produced IMO
I note the very obvious omission of the CX-90 in this comparison/review. I had intended to buy the CX-90 based on the Mazda image and went to the dealership with preconceived belief that it would be the best of these choices. Instead, I found the ride annoyingly flinty even on good roads, and the 280 hp base engine woefully under powered for a fun to drive experience. I did not get to drive the PHEV nor the turbocharged versions, as they had not yet reached the dealerships. But the ride was so ....not to my taste... that I did not return to test drive them. But I did rent a CX-5 on a vacation and FOUND THE EXACT SAME RIDE. Must be part of the Mazda sporty drive set up. It's interesting that the true "Driver's" site, Savage Geese, lauded the Honda Pilot driving experience.
The same people complaining that highlanders look dated are the people who also complain when all the new tech in the vehicles make them 50-60-70k
Emissions and safety costs a lot and make your vehicle less reliable.
What about the Cx-90 from Mazda?
Daihatsu a Toyota company admitted they lied for 30 years about their car safety stats. Toyota recently is mass recalling cars cuz airbags wont deploy due to faulty sensor. There is your Toyota reliability. 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Bruh, I already told you that air gas is only available for the 2019-2021 model, but for the 2023 model, the production is different. The Daihatsu case only occurred because it used a DNGA chassis instead of a TNGA and while the DNGA chassis was only sold in poor or developing countries, especially in Southeast Asia and was not sold to western countries such as Europe and America, it was given a TNGA chassis, for example the Yariss Cross for the market. Europe uses TNGA, but Southeast Asia (Daihatsu's market) uses DNGA. Toyota is indeed the umbrella company for Lexus, Hino Motor, Subaru and Daihatsu (including Mazda) but Daihatsu and Mazda have their own chassis, while Toyota (including Lexus) has its own different chassis, namely TNGA. So as long as it's not from a DNGA chassis then it's still safe, after all Americans and Europeans don't really like cars with a DNGA chassis, especially Americans who focus only on TNGA. So this is not a matter of engine reliability but a matter of safety features
@@lightshunshine3861 Who cares lying for 30 years shows their character and their values.
At least they aren’t desperate by giving warranties in attempt to hide all the problems kia’s/ Hyundais have had in the past
@@grantssage8395at least? What about lying for f 30 years 😮😮😮😅😅😅
Daihatsu is for Asia Pacific region only in America is 100 Toyota get your FACT right
I appreciate videos about cars that most of us will actually own, thanks. However, I have to ask is there a Telluride kickback? The Hyundai Palisade is missing from this "comparison" and others like it or scored significantly below the Telluride, which makes no practical sense. The wife and I own both. We think they're fantastic, but didn't want two of either. As far as this video, it probably should have been nine categories splitting your four into eight and adding one for driving characteristics. Driven back to back there is a very distinct difference between driving an Atlas and driving a Grand Highlander. To each his own. To All those pushing back on the screens, my grandfather said the same thing about remote controls and the 1st huge 25 incher my dad bought. Hmm....
Pilot simply drives better than the rest minus hybrid max Toyota GH. It’s interior materials are actually better than the others overall despite having a more boring design. The car’s chassis in the way it rides just feels premium much more like an expensive luxury car. It feels super well put together and composed. I drove all of these cars and pilot just drives better over the rest and has a higher quality substantial feel. That’s more important to me over impressive looking screens the others have. The Korean cars just are cheap feeling to the touch in how they are put together. But they are all good cars in reality just gotta pick what you like best based on your priorities
these are not sports cars... honda looks bland like all their line up, a honda lover calling kia cheap? really at least be a BMW fan to bash KIA LOL u forgot massive honda recalls?
@@andresmattos7541 yup bud not sports cars but good handling and drive feel translates to a nice high speed ride and handling as well as safety. I never bashed Kia just stated that the Korean twins feel cheap and not as solid. They look like they wanna imitate the German look without the drive. Honda is more German in its drive just not looks.
@@andresmattos7541 Kia has over 10 years worth of cars with oil consuming 4 cylinder recalls. All manufacturers have issues. Hondas you drive around and see several 20-30 year old cars. Same with Toyota. With Hyundai and Kia not so much. Lmao Kia is cheaper and is a lower class brand vs Japanese honda/Toyota/Mazda. They are more experienced in making cars.
@@philipjacob2314 so Japanese cars have never recalled their cars? Forgot the deadly sticky toyota pedal that killed entire families? forgot recent Honda mass recalls for potential fire risks? forgot recent toyota recalls for faulty airbag sensors preventing airbags from deploying? lol
Bias Clearly
How does Mazda CX90 compare?
Ditto
a Hybrid or PHEV Telluride < $60K would destroy this segment... and please Kia fix the tiny sunroof in those and EV9
Most important is under hood i don't like any of this except if i get one of those i will get VW Atlas cross sport
Why having a 'small screen' such a big deal?? I mean you're not gonna watch a movie in the car, infact a bigger screen can be more of a distraction while driving than anything else.
I agree on screen size, it’s really fine.
It sticks up higher than the others was what I didn't like
Lets look at another metric ... 2023 sales numbers (they don't lie).
1. Explorer 186,789
2. Traverse 116,136
3. Telluride 110,765
4. Pilot 110,298
5. Durango 69,195
6. Acadia 66,322
7. Atlas 60,359
8. Enclave 39,412
9. Grand Highlander 39,373
What about regular Highlander?
Grand Highlander just came out
@@manofsesame3024 highlander should be way above 150k because these things are literally everywhere
How did Honda release the new Accord and the new Pilot simultaneously with the Pilot with a tiny screen and the Accord with one right out of Acura? Ridiculous. The Pilot should be the top of the line.
stop being a man child, you need the car to get from point a to b, not to play on a stupid screen
The people with enough kids that they need a Pilot may not have the disposable income to warrant a bigger screen. Different goals and target audience.
Now let’s talk about reliability !!
I would like to know if any of these vehicles come without third row seating. I have no need for a third row.
No, we just leave them down. Might want the smaller, these are the bigger mid size.
No 'driving dynamics' category ?
The pilot is the best in class small screen or not!🤣 Great video, hilarious. I think that you have to consider usable when coming to technology interface.
Where is the ford explorer and Mazda cx90 and Chevrolet traverse and Hyundai Palisade and Nissan pathfinder and GMC Acadia and Subaru ascent and jeep grand Cherokee l and Hyundai Santa Fe and kia Sorento and if you are looking for something in Europe there is the Skoda kodiaq and seat tarraco and Volkswagen Tiguan Allspace and Peugeot 5008 and Renault Espace and if you’re in china there is the brilliance V7 and Changan cs95 and chery tiggo8 and dongfeng fengon ix7 and ford Equator and geely Haoyue and jac x8 and jetour X70 and roewe rx8 and Changan Oshan x7 and gac gs8
I'll take the Grand Highlander
So, who is the winner ?
Honda Pilot.
I do find it a little odd that the Toyota and Kia tie, yet the Toyota has multiple powertrains to choose from. I would think this is the tiebreaker putting them in the lead. That Hybrid Max has more power and better fuel economy than the Kia by a significant amount.
The extra cost for those options decreases its value propostion making it a wash. It would have to be a very niche buyer that would chose one over the other and pay more for a few extra mpg.
@@Petchyalater honestly, that’s debatable. Top trims for the Telluride are $53-54K, with the GH hitting just under $60k. So it’s not that much of a gap at $6-7K.
Best fuel economy on the GH is from the Hybrid, and runs between $45-55K, right in line with the Telluride. With that, the GH has 37/36 MPG vs Telluride’s 20/26 (FWD) or 18/24 (AWD). That’s certainly not a wash.
If you want power, the GH’s HybridMax has 362hp/400 ft/lb torque. Compare that to the Telluride’s 291hp/262 ft/lb torque. That’s a pretty significant difference.
And just for comparison sake, the standard hybrid still puts out 245hp. And the HybridMax has an MPG of 27 combined. For the $6-7k difference, it’s definitely nothing to ignore. The options for Toyota give it a clear edge in my opinion.
In addition, if you go off Edmunds points awarded in the video, the GH wins by 0.25 across the 4 categories - not the tie he claims in the end (rewatch the first scoring segment).
@@DrunkenSinner now it’s not really an even comparison if you’re choosing the middle trim GH. Then your missing features bring us back to not being a better value 🤷🏻♂️ now I have to chose features or mpg.
If you price out what you get in a comparable Kia optioned out to the Toyota - it's about the same price. Especially if you consider what you will *actually* pay for the vehicle, with Kia over-pricing the Telluride above the manufacture sticker. (read @johnl9337 comments below) @@Petchyalater
Hybrid will cost you more not just the purchase price but also down the way with battery replacement once a few years. The insurance tend to be more expensive as well
Why no CX90?
Because its way more upscale than these. It wouldn't be a fair comparison
@@v60polestar88 I just figured it was in the same price range, made sense to me.
@@quick906CX90 sales way less than these 4
@@manofsesame3024 yeah but we don’t make car reviews based on sales. If that’s the case a ton of cars in other classes should never get reviewed. Pretty short sighted take.
Why not Pallisade?
Same as Telluride I am guessing
While they have greatly improved in terms of design, materials, and fit/finish, Kia and Hyundai long-term reliability still sucks. I would never purchase one.
Focusing too much on reliability forces you to sacrifice way too much. These days any car is reliable as long as you take good care of it
You need to update your mentality .. reliability now is even available on bicycle 🚲
Look at recent Toyota recall of airbag faulty sensor, recent Honda mass recalls and Daihatsu Toyota owned scandal 😂😂😂😂
@@naveenthemachinelmfao......look at all the Fords. You can maintain them daily, and they still blow up.
Look at at the Kia engine and transmissions failures. Plus thw ones catching on fire. No thanks I'll take few mimord recalls on the Honda and Toyota.
How about Nissian pathfinder
You missed an important score in this comparison. Driving dynamics.
Yes because that super important in a 3 row family hauler. You missed the point of why these vehicles exist.
@Petchyalater
It shouldn't be a priority, but how well it drives should be taken into account.
A cx-90 would score well in this review as it is by far the nicest interior, but it drives way too stiff, and the transmission is a mess.
Also ride comfort - the toyota is so soft and floaty it is uncomfortable to be in the 2nd/3rd row if your kids are even remotely prone to motion sickness
Why “reliability” is not taken in picture ?
I haven’t seen the video yet and I already have my winner.. GRAND HIGHLANDER …?
Let’s watch the video !!
I like Toyota Highlander because it has hybrid model
Others don’t have hybrid model ..
No one would ever buy a Kia over a Toyota… wait, unless you have low credit score Kia & Hyundai will finance anyone 😂😂
No one would ever buy an already ran Toyota over the futuristicly luxurious Kia. And Toyotas have high markups too. I’d rather pay markups on the kia than the Toyota because it doesn’t change the fact that Kia’s still superior to Toyota in every aspect now.
@@naveenthemachine all I know is the best car manufacturers year after year are:
Toyota, Lexus, Mazda, Acura & Honda & sometimes Subaru
What is the point of comparing these cars with out driving them?
Because if they would have added a driving category, the precious Telluride would have been dethroned in the end.....😂
These are not sports car no mummy will take this to the track 😂😂😂
@andresmattos7541
Who said anything about taking them to the track? For my hard earned money though, the vehicle I choose should at least provide some driving enjoyment.
It wouldn't have been...@@wbwayne8887
@@wbwayne8887THEN GET A LARGE SPORTS SEDAN HUGE SUVS FAMILY HOULERS AINT SPORTS CARS.
I have a 2022 GTI and have no issues using the capacitive touch buttons. I don’t know what the big deal is with all you car testers.
Grand Cherokee L??? Palisade???
Why do they always leave the Chevy Traverse out of their comparison segments?
Wow the Chevy Traverse? I’ll believe that when I see it!
Telluride take my money already.
The Telluride by Far!
Yesss! I've had mine for 3 yrs and still in love with it 😍
I’m so surprised the Honda did so poorly. It has gotten so much praise so I’m a bit confused.
its a f honda what do you expect is not like is a Porsche or something,
@@andresmattos7541have you even driven one, I highly doubt it
@@andresmattos7541don't be a prick.
honda is horrible brand
No one in their right mind took this comparison test seriously. If you’re truly in the market for any of these vehicles, it’s best that you go out compare them yourself vs listening to someone who only cares about screen sizes.
what about reliability?
Honda Recalls: Brake and Rearview Camera Defects
Honda recently issued recalls for various models due to brake and rearview camera defects. These recalls address potential safety hazards that can result in accidents and injuries.
Unexpected Loss of Brake Function: Honda recalled over 124,000 Civic, Passport, and Pilot vehicles, including certain model year 2020-2021 Civic, 2020-2023 Ridgeline, 2021-2023 Passport, 2021-2022 Pilot, and 2020 Acura MDX vehicles. The recall was prompted by concerns that the vehicles could experience an unexpected loss of brake function, increasing the risk of a crash.
Defective Brake Holds: Another recall impacted nearly 400 model year 2023 Civic, Accord, Acura RDX, and Acura Integra vehicles. These vehicles were manufactured with defective brake holds, leading to potential movement while the brake hold is activated. Honda plans to notify impacted vehicle owners by mail, starting from July 24.
Rearview Camera Concerns: Honda recalled over 1.1 million Odyssey, Pilot, and Passport vehicles due to defective rearview cameras that may not display properly. This recall applies to model year 2018-2023 Honda Odyssey, 2019-2022 Honda Pilot, and 2019-2023 Honda Passport vehicles. A non-functional rearview camera can compromise the driver's visibility, increasing the risk of a crash or injury.
Class Action Lawsuits against Honda
In addition to the recalls, Honda is facing class action lawsuits that allege serious defects in its vehicles' components.
Variable Timing Control Actuator Defect: A class action lawsuit filed against Honda claims that the automaker knowingly sold vehicles with defective variable timing control actuators. The alleged defect, affecting model year 2012-2014 CR-Vs, 2012 Accords, and 2012-2015 Crosstours, can lead to catastrophic engine failure and poses a safety hazard.
Defective Electric Power Steering Systems: Two separate class action lawsuits were filed against Honda, asserting that model year 2022-2023 Honda Civic vehicles were manufactured with defective electric power steering systems. These systems may "stick," requiring an increase in steering effort, leading to overcorrections and potential collisions.
Electric Braking System Sticking: Another class action lawsuit argues that Honda sold model year 2022-2023 Honda Civic vehicles with electric braking systems that can stick at highway speeds. This alleged defect can cause vehicle owners to overcorrect, increasing the risk of collisions.
All pretty new vehicles so its hard to determine that. Toyota probably will be the most reliable but its a toss up between Honda and KIA.
How is the Highlander Hybrid 34mpg but the Hybrid Max is 27mpg? 🤔🤔🤔
Where is the Mazda CX-9?
After watching multiple videos kia and Hyundai are the worst especially if you buy it as second owner because of mechanical issues in engine and gearbox
But which one is the most reliable?
100% Telluride.
@@user-dv5if1hm2ware you fried?😂😭
It’s most likely the grand highlander or the pilot.
Yes I am aware of the issues the pilot is going through but it is mostly amounted to first model year issues
@@RaY_77W
NEW YORK, Sept 8 (Reuters) - Toyota Motor Corp (7203.T) reached a settlement potentially worth $150 million to resolve U.S. class-action litigation tied to recalls of about 3.36 million Toyota and Lexus vehicles whose defective fuel pumps could cause engines to stall.
A preliminary settlement was filed on Wednesday night in federal court in Brooklyn. It requires a judge's approval.
The settlement covers owners and lessees of dozens of Toyota and Lexus vehicle models manufactured in the 2013 to 2020 model years and equipped with Denso low-pressure fuel pumps.
Honda Recalls: Brake and Rearview Camera Defects
Honda recently issued recalls for various models due to brake and rearview camera defects. These recalls address potential safety hazards that can result in accidents and injuries.
Unexpected Loss of Brake Function: Honda recalled over 124,000 Civic, Passport, and Pilot vehicles, including certain model year 2020-2021 Civic, 2020-2023 Ridgeline, 2021-2023 Passport, 2021-2022 Pilot, and 2020 Acura MDX vehicles. The recall was prompted by concerns that the vehicles could experience an unexpected loss of brake function, increasing the risk of a crash.
Defective Brake Holds: Another recall impacted nearly 400 model year 2023 Civic, Accord, Acura RDX, and Acura Integra vehicles. These vehicles were manufactured with defective brake holds, leading to potential movement while the brake hold is activated. Honda plans to notify impacted vehicle owners by mail, starting from July 24.
Rearview Camera Concerns: Honda recalled over 1.1 million Odyssey, Pilot, and Passport vehicles due to defective rearview cameras that may not display properly. This recall applies to model year 2018-2023 Honda Odyssey, 2019-2022 Honda Pilot, and 2019-2023 Honda Passport vehicles. A non-functional rearview camera can compromise the driver's visibility, increasing the risk of a crash or injury.
Class Action Lawsuits against Honda
In addition to the recalls, Honda is facing class action lawsuits that allege serious defects in its vehicles' components.
Variable Timing Control Actuator Defect: A class action lawsuit filed against Honda claims that the automaker knowingly sold vehicles with defective variable timing control actuators. The alleged defect, affecting model year 2012-2014 CR-Vs, 2012 Accords, and 2012-2015 Crosstours, can lead to catastrophic engine failure and poses a safety hazard.
Defective Electric Power Steering Systems: Two separate class action lawsuits were filed against Honda, asserting that model year 2022-2023 Honda Civic vehicles were manufactured with defective electric power steering systems. These systems may "stick," requiring an increase in steering effort, leading to overcorrections and potential collisions.
Electric Braking System Sticking: Another class action lawsuit argues that Honda sold model year 2022-2023 Honda Civic vehicles with electric braking systems that can stick at highway speeds. This alleged defect can cause vehicle owners to overcorrect, increasing the risk of collisions.
So under fuel efficiency and value you’re just going to ignore the Grand Highlander Hybrid mpg rating 36/34 mpg? How convenient.
Missed the most important category. Reliability.
Reliability is the same across any new car. Besides who’s even keeping cars that long?
Easy. Telluride palisade pilot cx90 are the best
The worst one is the grand highlander
Though they’re all largely good vehicles for their intended use.
@@ALMX5DP but the Kia is by far the best executed in interior space, materials fit finish technology features driving experience etc
@@naveenthemachine again, they’re all good choices and the differences between them are really minute and can be subjective depending on the customer or use.
Opinion with no back up. Gotta love these people
@@dhrudry1 yeah I usually put some weight into reviewers and journalists like Edmunds who puts the GH in third but the top 8 or so competitors are all very closely matched according to them (and likely others who review vehicles for a living).
When you purchase a car, your only concern is how long the engine and transmission is gonna last. This is why the Toyota will always win. The KIA and the VW won't pass 100K without any issues.
PLEASE DON'T HIT ME! A VAN is best for a family, not an SUV. OF COURSE IF YOU ARE NOT EPIC FAMILY ROADTRIP... THEN A BETTER PRICE, MORE SPACE, CHEAPER SERVICE AND YOU WILL BUY A VAN! 😁
I hate the pilot for the weird gear selector. They finally rectified this issue in the Accord, CR-V and Civic, but not in the Pilot 😢
Also they don't offer birds eye view cameras, while most others do.
Gear selector is fine! It’s so simple. You are such a cry baby!
What's to hate... it's a button, and you push it? The 2023+ Pilot has 3 models with birds-eye-view cameras - Trailsport, Touring, and Elite.
Seems like this was sponsored by kia. No performance numbers listed. I wonder if they were showing off the grand highlander hybrid max, gets around 27mpg combined. They didnt mention towing either.... I appreciate this not being a 45min video. But there was some things left out, and it seemed like a lot of things were compaired to the Kia.... what about the out dated under powered 3.8L in the kia? 291hp and 262tq........ the toyota has 362hp and 400tq.....
But the Toyotas ugly, cheap inside, not any more spacious and it’s just mediocre to drive