ALL SPACE MARINE DATASHEETS - 10th Edition Warhammer 40k Rules
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Bricky really pushing the 10 minutes mark
I still remember the days where people wouldn’t get money of a video under 10 minutes.
Saw plenty of 10 minute Apology videos.
And one that was 3 minutes long with 7 minutes of a black screen.
Classic.
@@americankid7782 Ah the good ol days.
Ehh you know a minute or two isn't that bad.
Bricky, you’re missing something here. The March of the Techmarines isn’t only 3 Techmarines. There are 2 datasheets for them, both with the ability. 1 shitty land speeder, **6 TECHMARINES** charging the enemy. The IT squad will cut them down. It’s time for the age of the Techmarmemes.
That is sound so stupidly fun lol
I imagine a tide of servo arms tearing into people like velociraptors
Also if you look closely at the Servitors, if they are being lead by a Techmarine they have the BS of a Space Marine wielding probably 2 heavy bolters. *IF* the points of 9th edition are anything to go by that's 2 Heavy bolters and 2 servo arms for 40 points of Servitors. That is of course if you are already spending the points for the Techmarine for other reasons...and that servitors will probably be wiped with their single wound and 4+ save.
Edit: Though you can also hide those servitors behind a Tactical Squad being lead by a Techmarine so some extra firepower for them.
I just wonder since the techmarine gets lone operative within 3 in of a vehicle, if his bodyguards get wiped during shooting, does that leave him untargetable during the same shooting attack? Also might leave him weak to precision.
Arent techmarines hq? You can only have 3 hq
@@sirkelendor5429 force organization is different now. It is only rule of 3s, extended to 6 for battleline units. Anything goes.
The Bricky Cinematic Universe sees its first major motion picture. Godspeed, gamer.
Regarding the Hunter and the Stalker, note that they have anti-fly not anti-aircraft. So they work into anything with the fly keyword.
RIP tau battlesuits
(sad monolith noises)
@@christopherclayton5500 Lmao I forgot that Monoliths had fly. Still tough as hell but that's a bit annoying for them if they cross any AA batteries.
Rip mortarion, who already is weak to anti psyker things.
Makes sense finaly
Hey Bricky, the Reductor Pistol is the weapon the Apothicary uses to extract gene-seed (hence the AP4 to punch thru SM armor)
Ah yeah, the tool that delivers the Emperor's Mercy to dying marines. Actually pretty cool you can use that as a weapon now.
@@RJALEXANDER777 you could In 9th as well, but the idea of one of those cattle guns for space marines is something I will not forget soon.
2 hours of Bricky is a good amount of Bricky. Yet still not enough.
im mad about the rhino "removing primaris distinction" my ass
I will say it right now, the index gave Pedro Kantor and Vulkan He'stan a HUGE glow up. The former turns a squad of Stern Guards veteran into an absolute terror for basically everything, do the double ability of "once for battle extra attack" and "once for battle, double shooting" and you can easily maw down anything that is not a Death Guard terminator, while also getting stronger as you get killed. He'stan basically push Oath of Moment to the wound roll and Melta units basically go "See that vehicle there? Yeah, i don't want to".
You can still mow down a DG terminator easy. They are less durable than 8th and 9th edition
He'Stan can also just get into the centre field objective and lock it down with his second ability and a big infernus squad and make himself a nightmare to dislodge. A big flaming distraction carnifex the likes of which we would see in an older edition.
Liking the classic boxnaught best is most definitely not down to only nostalgia. A dreadnaught is basically a coffin in a setting so grimdark that they propped it up on legs and gave it guns. All the dreadnaughts that came after that have moved away from that wonderfully messed up asthetic to become increasingly robot-y looking.
I wish he didn't skip them as ironclad are staying and at least the venerable as well even tho it's not in this pdf
I like the classic dread as well. :(
Boxnaught bestnaught
at least your boxnaughts aren't resigned to legends like we thought they were going to be after we saw the announcement, they now have a combined datasheet with vendreads and the vendread kit will represent all classic dreads now
The redemptor series also all have potbellies which just makes them look kinda... less brutish and more like a low tier bad guy vibe.
Not sure if this came up later in the video yet, sorry if it did. The Servitors aren't just a bodyguard option for techmarines. They can also join other squads being led by a techmarine, so you can hide some heavy weapon servitors inside an marine squad being led by a techmarine.
This sounds so fluffy for something like an Iron Warriors player I love it.
This sounds so fluffy for something like an Iron Warriors player I love it.
@Robert Steiner do you mean Iron hands by any chance? Cause iron warriors are a chaos legion. I understand the mistake, they're both tech related chapters/legions with "Iron" in the name.
Wow I remember hearing they were trying to make every unit/model have a role/purpose and I think they’ve done this spectacularly for space Marines. This gives me hope for the other armies
Hahah if you seen deathwing today… I’m worried what other sort of fuckery we will experience soon
GW have actually done the impossible with this: they've made me genuinely want to play a phobos army. Phobos are looking legitimately cool this edition.
Bricky, just a reminder:
[FLY] is not only aircraft. Its jumppack units, daemon princes, nearly every eldar vehicle and so on ...
Venomthropes and zoanthropes
@@kamikeserpentail3778 Basically every Tau vehicle and battlesuit as well
Important to note that the outrider squad that includes the outrider atv is a different datasheet than the one with the solo atv, which means the support fire ability doesn't confer when it's in a big gaggle of guys
There is one phobos unit that prevents deepstriking within 12 of them. You can combine that with phobos librarian for them not being able to get shoot outside of 12. That's phenomenal backline objective holder that basically guarantees you hold onto it to turn 4 at least.
I was thinking adding the phobos librarian to a unit of eliminators to make a leader killer that you can't deal with easily
@@commandercostas you can do both
@@Azrael178 True
I love that you can shove 4 assault centurions and a brutalis dreadnought inside of a stormraven now, especially since the stormraven is exceptionally more tanky
I think it's only the Boxnaughts that have the "Dreadnought" keyword sadly - Primaris Dreads only have "Brutalis Dreadnought", "Redemptor Dreadnought" etc. keywords.
Hey least we git to keep the boxnought after they claimed it would be made legends seems they may be uodating the model instead of just leaving it out
@@Adhemar_ The brutalis dreadnought has both which is almost certainly one of the dozens of typos in this doc
The hammerfall bunker's defense array wording is interesting. The 4 times limitation is only for your opponents movement phase, while the trigger itself can happen at any time assuming it meets the prerequisites. Move shoot move strats/abilities are going to trigger shooting in the enemys shooting phase, possibly, depending on wording.
You're an absolute champion for getting through all this as it's coming out Bricky, big appreciate! Have a great weekend my man.
Today in tech tips with Bricky: can a single PDF max out your PC’s RAM? GW and index: Space Marine puts this to the test
To add on to your closing thoughts regarding the matter of customization with these changes: although GW has lowered the amount of wargear options for many units, they have still given players a ton of choices to make in list building because of the unit restrictions when it comes to leader units. And they have incentivized us to be more experimental because all the leader units have such a diverse selection of abilities that can prove to be the new source of combos and expression when you pair them with certain bodyguard units.
I am all for this new design philosophy.
I love it, it's making me think about all sorts of new combos.
I've never really cared about the apothecary, but his revive has got me thinking about stuff like pairing him with hellblasters. So they can supercharge their attacks, shoot again if they kill themselves, and then he can bring one back next turn.
Seems another way to force sales. In fact everything about this new edition does. Leading us to believe rhinos could take primaris then bait/switched us and gave the tacticus keyword that stops that happening. Boost sales of a very old kit for a while, then pull the rug out and force us to also get primaris transports or a landraider as the rhino remains firstborn only. Then having restrictions like this means you have to buy lots of their kits to play certain units properly, more specialisation means more kits after all. Why sell kits that can be built to purpose (tac squad for company vets with special weapons) when you can sell a different kit for every weapon type
@@colonelturmeric558 With the usual overpower new release, or Erratas that switch the meta on purpose. All this to sell kits.
Important thing to note is that Stormraven Gunship can now transport ANY Infantry and ANY Dreadnoughts! Which is just super fun! Unfortunately, with the "Tacticus" keyword we still get restrictions for repulsors and rhinos :c
It can only take a regular dread, ironclad, or brutalis dreads due to them having the pure "Dreadnought" keyword. The other variants don't have that, rather they say "Contemptor Dreadnought" or "Redemptor Dreadnought".
I agree with your conclusion Bricky.
By removing the auras, space is opened for different types of units, as before units that did not contribute with buffs in area were at a disadvantage.
By decreasing the lethality and with the lone operative rules, space is opened for specialized units without the risk of them dying instantly without doing anything.
And by removing some of the customization, it does away with the Swiss army knife effect where you were able to customize your main units to do whatever you needed to. It will now be more necessary to use specialized units for different roles. In this regard, having increased vehicle resistance also helps, so that you need specialized troops to deal with them, for example.
As a Ravenguard player I'm glad the stealth and hit n run units are good/have good combos, especially Shrike being finally viable is good news.
Another thing to note, him only being able to lead firstborn units probably hints that they may release some more "conventional" jetpack primaris in the later release this year
a 2 hour video? please my jorts can only take so much Bricky.
I'm so happy to see you covering this! I wish you *could* go into greater detail on the different units. But this video is over 2 hours long, 2 hours of uncut *BRICK* is still a gift I'll happily accept.
How big can a PDF be?
You thought Space Marines is gonna be big?
Wait until GW releases all the Xenos data sheets in one file.
I can’t imagine any reason they wouldn’t individual PDFs for each faction.
@@Florkl Issa joke. But GW did say they were releasing all the Xenos sheets in one day. I'm just banking on GW being stupid.
I agree with the closing thoughts statement about better customization by limited options. But damn they did Adrax dirty by the only viable unit he can lead is assault intercessors because all the other squads dont have melee for crap
Hoping that the dreadnought keyword thing does get applied to the others so my Stormraven can carry them, if not I guess I'll run the Brutalis until it gets patched.
Same
Will probably be cleared up in the FAQ, but initial thoughts would lean no, since the Contemptor doesn’t have the “Dreadnought” keyword like the normal, Brutalis or Ironclad Dreads have.
With the story going towards a Tyranid invasion of Terra, I'm kinda hoping we get some more Imperial Fists.
I get SM are elite and get more stuff but i cant lie, I feel like a lot of these rules blow the nids index out of the water. Hopefully things are pointed appropiately
especially as they can add more chars into squads making some really nasty combos.
The reductor pistol is, in essence, a cattle stunner for Space Marines; its so close range because its intended purpose is to deliver the Emperor's Peace to a battle brother too far wounded to save so his geneseed can be extracted.
Presumably it can be pressed into use against enemy forces as well with the same kind of brutal effeicency.
Plus, it's designed to punch not only through the reinforced skin and bone of a Space Marine's skull, but also through his HELMET.
If a Reductor can that to a ceramite helmet, imagine what it would do to the torso of an ordinary Human.
Thank you for making these type of videos! You and Ausepex are really bringing a lot of people to this hobby.
Interesting that the relic terminators, the box dreadnaught and the contemptor dreadnaught are in there, in spite of the recent article that said they were going to legends. Maybe the outcry reversed that decision or maybe GW goofed and meant to say the relic dread and relic contemptor dread were going to legends. (Relic termies were said in a clarification post by GW to also be going to legends, yet there they are in the rules.)
The box dreadnought wasn't going to legends, but discontinuing production. The Relic Contemptors and Leviathians are going to Legends, we're just left with the "regular" Contemptor.
@@aheroforfun6401 yeah. The big drama was that in the article they just said contemptor dread, not clarifying it was just _relic_ contemptor dreads going to legends. Drama that would have been easily avoided if they just proof read things.
Anyone got a link to them saying that it's just relic Contemptors? Can't find anything corroborating that, but that could just be my dumbass like usual.
@@AtomDragon12 nope. Just conjecture because they said contemptors were going to legends, yet contemptors are in the list. Bricky was assuming those rules won’t be updated and those are the legends rule, but if that were the case, the other models going to legends would have rules in the list. It doesn’t make any sense, so either GW made a mistake in the article, or they changed their mind in the time between the article’s publication and the publication of the 10th rules PDF for space marines.
@@loganb7059 "The Warhammer Design Studio are creating free datasheets for the Legends of the Horus Heresy - even including the elusive Chaos Kratos. You’re free to use these rules in your games wherever or however you play them - at home, in stores, or gaming clubs, both for narrative campaigns and matched play games."
As far as I can see, Contemptors being printed in the index is simply them doing, well, what they said. Printing rule for the models for them to move to Legends with. These are those rules.
*edit: I finished actually reading your reply instead of skipping like a dumbass, and you make a valid point of thinking the other Legends units should be here. Forgive me if I'm not particularly optimistic about GeeDub keeping Contemptors around though. Never attribute to stupidity that which can be explained by malice, when it comes to James Warhammer.
GW: "We're saying googbye to the old dreadnought, but can still use it as a venerable dread"
Doesnt have rules for the venerable dread but rules for the old dread...
Yeah. Same for the contemptor. Maybe the outcry reversed their decision? Or maybe the right hand doesn’t know what the left hand is doing.
@@loganb7059It was the Relic Contemptor that was banished to Legends, not the basic Contemptor. The one that can get Volkite.
They have just rolled the old Ven Dread into the just "Dreadnought"
@Everian Kalim what I'm thinking as well as removing the relic contemptor and keeping the normal one
@@Xynth25 yeah but in the original article for things going to legends it just said “contemptor.”
Glad to see the thunderfire cannon getting some love, its one of my favorite models.
OK - watched the whole thing. Don't know how you made that entertaining but hats off, lol. I am very tempted to have a Gravis-only (or Gravis + Terminator) army.
I wonder if I could do a Gravis term dark angels army
Hey bricky, you missed something with the outriders: the primaris chaplain on bike gives the squad dev.-wounds,
if you slap bolter discipline on to the chaplain, you'll get exploding 6+, 5+ in dev doctrine and then you can use the storm of fire strat for +1 AP and ignore Cover. Combined with the mostly twinlinked weapons and thier 18"move, these 6 outriders+ATV+chaplain get a metric ****-ton of infantry mulching firepower at a 42" threat range. Against soft infantry like guard, maybe even Sisters and marines that's brutal.
this index is looking beautiful
phobos guys have kept almost everything you could give then with "vanguard warlord trait" + specialist detachment and some have even improved it (haywire mine looking at you)
Im very happy and I havent even checked the tanks
The ATV is on the same sheet as the outriders, thus it doesn't have the escort rule but it does have turbo boost
Inceptors getting a damage boost is what I love to see!
Hellblasters be like “I SHOOT, I DIE, I SHOOT AGAIN.”
2 of my favorite combos at fist glance is Judiciar+Bladeguard Veterans and Phobos Librarian+Eliminators.
Bricky, Twin las-talon gets 2 shots because it had 4 in 9th.
Its dang good fluffy fun that the Salamander characters can be included in to Infernus squad, cos ofcource they can.
Good to know Death Guard got PUT DOWN, man why can’t we catch a break
Judicier + Bladeguard are terrifying. Loving all of the Phobos stuff, Raven Guard and Successors eating *good.*
Yeah but they ruined Van vets :(
Random Gravis Captain of the Ultramarines flat out BETTER than named Character of Deathguard.
Makes totally sense GW.
as someone who loves my assault intercessors, that re-roll wound rolls makes me have a stroke
James Workshop really trying to sell those sitting desolation squad boxes.
I think if you count wound rerolls…like with the twinlinked universal special rule then there’s actually a fairly larger number of rerolls than we thought hidden in the Tyranid codex…the pyrovore, broodlord, Tyranid warriors with melee weapons, hive tyrant with lash whip/bonesword, tyrannofex with fleshborer hive, raveners, and harpys have twinlinked on at least one of their weapon profiles…including the ones bricky mentioned already. If you don’t include twinlinked there’s only a few actual ways to get hit rerolls in the codex but the data sheets don’t necessarily need as many hit rerolls due to the existence of sustained hits and lethal hits which can be gained from hyper adaptations and unit special rules…
I really want to get an impulsor and fill it with eliminators. Just have a clown car ripping around the battlefield blowing the faces off of any character that dares peek out
Van Vets in a Transport, with scout, are going to be quite spicy since they also give the transport scout...also Pairs very well with Librarians.
Got to say as someone who plays tau and is about to start up a space marine army with the launch box I never quiet got how many more data sheets SM had compared to other factions till now.
In case anyone was curious in construction you can be given project specifications pdf’s with thousands of pages. I’ve seen 5K pages in a single PDF, it takes AGES to load.
Legal cases as well, I have had to prepare bundles for discovery in pdf format that can be tens of thousands of pages . . . which is stupid, because they don't open on most computers
SO IT BEGINS, time to listen to this 2 hr video for the next 2 days while I drive places 😎
it really feels like there's a reason to want to take almost any unit now.
Mister Glister the sister fister had me dying! XD
Regarding merch: If you guys were to make battle shock tokens I'd definitely be interested in some of those.
yoooo I actually love the update to the hammerfall bunker it actually has a reason to exist now as an area denial tool
I played the Boy Scouts (ultramarines) through 9th. I'm gonna try my luck with nids for 10th. I already have almost 2k of nids. I barely made the cutoff at my local game store for the Leviathan release box allotment. Based on the disaster that was the 9th edition release, I put in a pre-order for the leviathan release ASAP.
bit bummed out about the changes to relic terminators, can't run my Tartaros Termies with 1x combi bolter and 1x Lightning claw, it's either combi bolter + fist/chainfist/power weapon or duel lightning claws. Though I think i'll run them either as chains fists or power weapons
Did the same thing to the Devastator Squad Sergeant. Guess that single lightning claw is just a really pointy power fist now.
@@Epsilvonic especially in Tartaros terminators, lightning claw is an addon to the power fist, so technically it is a completely sound but decorated power fist
I can only imagine the shenanigains that will occur with attaching a phobos librarian to a squad of las fusiel eliminators
The vulkan's forgefather rule is basically the good old " KILL IT WITH FIRE ! " lol
I woke up at 8am waiting for this Bricky.......I was worried you would op out.........Thank you for your endeavors!!!!!!!
2am, I was gonna sleep, but my mans actually did it so time to ruin my schedule even more
Bricky those reaper auto cannons on relics are spicy
Get all excited to see my one White scar model… 2 hours later I finally get to see him at the very end
Weird question, before i used sternguard to take special weapons (plasma, melta, flamer etc.) on a 5 man firstborn squad. You cant seem to do this anymore?
I'm making a knight army (the warriors, not the stompy robots), and I did a really sick paintjob on my Bladeguard Ancient and I said "he better be good now because I'm using him!" He seems usable. Better than he was, I guess.
Raven guard might be decent. Invictors, eliminators, and shrike all look like a nice start.
Vulkan He´stans Rules are hilarious cause he is like: "THIS IS MY HOME NOW AND IM STAYING HERE!"
It's interesting to see the Land Raider Crusader and Redeemer getting +2" movement in addition to their higher transport capacity.
The space marines have a bigger pdf than some of my Uni manuals. Trully a gamer moment.
I was gona get out of bed. Buuuuuuut I can sit here with a snack and drink and watch some bricky
Man, i really thought GW will be squishing together the datacards more. Like they squished all the different Carnifexes into a single datasheet, why do we need a million flavors of Captains and Lieutenants?
considering that here are 15+ primaris lieutenants, reducing them to just a few datasheets is still better than could have been
because marines. every variation needs to be a whole new unit for shits & gigs.
I just wish that they let the Hammerfall Bunker do the lore thing and let it drop in alongside Drop Pods
I wanna grab some more first born this edition honestly especially as it looks like there yetting them soon
18:50 Full art is in the 9th ed Space Marines codex
for the atv and attack bike, i do not believe if its part of the bike squad/outrider unit it gains the shoot back ability
we have seen on many datasheets rules like "if this unit contains X model it can do Y" but the bike/outrider squads do NOT have that rule, despite having a statline and weapon options for the atv and attack bike
from how i understand it, the atv and invade can basically be part of the bike/outrider squad, and so get a "bodyguard" of bikes, and the advance rule, OR they can be a seperate unit, lose their body guard and advance rule, but can shoot back if a nearby bike unit is shot
if they could still shoot back when part of the bike squad i am 100% certain the shoot back rule would be IN the rules for the bike squads, and follow the "if X model is in the unit it can do Y" format that we have seen in other cards
2 hours?? Of Bricky??? Good thing I brought some extra jorts 😂
One thing you glanced over is that tac marines are always going to be 9+1 the sergeant. Doesnt seem like you could combat squad them or have a 5 man squad like the intercessors
I'm fine with a 20 wound block of bodies to screen scary melee tanks. Was happy to do that with sisters. Fall back and shoot is just a bonus
As having bought 50 POG dice, plus oversee shipping cost, I can confidently say, that I have more fun playing Warhammer than I ever had before. They just constantly amuse me, whenever I roll, fishing for POG's ^^
Good ol' Aggressors look at that!
Helblasters are hilarious 😂
btw the anti-fly isn't just aircraft, it's any model with the keyword fly
2 hrs of bricky ranting about marines. LETS GO
I think 4 enhancements is healthier than 6 WLT and relics (plus another of each per sub faction) as at least the 4 enhancements are all likely to see varying use, whereas most armies have half a dozen WLT and relics that never see use.
Sternguard or not only primaris they said... But only primaris character can be attached to them though...
my man never read a TTRPG PDF with 400+ pages! xD
Thanks for powering through though!
Lmao @ how strong these are compared to Nids yesterday. I reiterate BLACK TEMPLARS GONNA BE AN ISSUE!
Im about to have a bricked backlog.
Actual comment- the merch store is fantastic but the shipping gets me. If i pick something up it'll be in bulk, the maraviglia..slaneesh performance piece is so gorgeous, if its still in stock when i go shopping it's got a place in the cart
those glasses are dope
2 hours of Space Marines!
Lieutenant with bolter discipline + hellblasters sounds friggin great to me.
The bolter discipline upgrade goes on a librarian leading 10 x desolators every single time in competitive builds. That combo is unbelievably broken.
Any opinion on the Vanguard Veterans not being able to run dual lightning claws? They’ve been absolutely nerfed into the ground now that a chainsword is the same as a thunder hammer
Loving Bricky's purport as always 😄
Having read through the index and probably missed a lot, there's a few things that really jump out at me. First, what the hell did they do to the Vanguard Veterans? The unit known for having a ton of versatility with melee weapons, and suddenly they get stuck with nothing more than a slightly fancier chainsword?! They have more than twenty melee weapons in that box, and suddenly it doesn't even matter which one you pick?! On that note, what the heck is the Thunder Hammer doing on the Bike Captain's data sheet when he's not allowed to take it?!
Also, where does it say we're limited to one captain and two lieutenants now? I'm assuming it must do somewhere, but I can't see it 🤔
Griping aside though, there's a few possibilities that jump out at me, which sound interesting in theory. Bike Captain leading a squad that includes an Attack Bike - 18" of movement, and still able to fire the Multimelta at the end? Very nice!
Bike Chaplain leading Outriders, gaining devastating wounds; fish for sixes with the barrage of twin-linked bolters, and charge in to finish whatever is still standing!
Impulser filled with a Desolation Squad - firing a load of super-krak missiles on the move, while protected by a shield dome? Probably terrible, but it sounds hilarious!
Using the Tank Shock strat on the Brutalis when it charges, averaging eight mortal wounds before the fight even starts? Just about makes up for the nerfed talons.
You can have 3 of every single captain and lieutenant if you want to and have the points for them. Tank Shock is max 6 mortals.
@@Torguemada good to know about the captain - I really didn't think that was the case 👍
You have a cap of six mortals on tank shock - which the Brutalis will almost always hit with 14 dice - but he also gets his own version which could spike up to six mortals but will probably average more like two.
I still can't believe Brutalis talons are now the same as a Redemptor fist, but with one more attack and twin linked...
@@Paradukes If you take the talons you're trading off the bolt rifles for an added sweep profile, in case you're worried about chaff gunking up the 'nought now that pile ins and consolidations are more restrictive
I like how you brushed over the fact that vanguard vets dont get claws or hammers anymore. they used to be run as hammers and shields or claws and shields, now its just a shitty profile, they are dead. Also tactical squads are minimum 10 man now
We have been blessed with a copy of the codex astartes! A blessed day! 🙌 😇 🙏
I’ve been trying to watch this fkn video for 2 days!
My power keeps going out after 13 minutes
Where do you download the pdf can’t find it on the gw website or Warhammer community
Brickyboi, the tactical squad will get tactical doctrine in detachments that don't have doctrines.
The stormraven can transport a Dreadnought model, drop off a Brutalis Dread in the enemy lines?
Quite sad my razorbacks got indirectly messed up. Can't put tactical squads in em as they're fixed at 10 men and sternguard can't go in them either as they're 'tacticus' i.e. MK X armour. I guess I'll have to use em with devastators, a command squad or make some assault marines on foot?