MIS used to be a plate track, but iirc they took the plates off because car wouldn't blow over as much due to the low banking (once they started tweaking the bodies to prevent it). They do need to slow these guys down a smidgen though, we've already raised the catch fence here twice, I don't think it'll be able to go much taller 😅 We probably should raise it again anyways after that tire flew over at the Indy race last year
Honestly I've noticed that with these next-gen cars they tend to flip on pavement.more than grass. I wonder if it's the are getting underneath the flat bottom of the car.
@@stephenullman4534 They may need to use the superspeedway package at Michigan in 2025. They will almost certainly have to slow the cars down. That said, speeds are only slightly lower at the 1.5 mile tracks (other than Atlanta)...
20-22 years ago a couple of us modeled this on the PC -- our supposition was that a normal slide would burn off speed to about 183-185 and if so the car would tend to stay on the ground, but if the car got turned quickly and speed was still above 188 (I think that was the speed), flaps or no flaps the coefficient of lift of the car would give you aero lift (leading edge of car lifts first, as in this case) and away you go... they can fiddle with the shape/spoilers/flaps all they want, but physics hasn't change and at some speed the basic body area of the car will fly... the trick is a slow slide that burns off speed, then the roll if it occurs, will be to roll over the leading edge tires in the more typical roll-over...
That sounds like a CFD analysis. It looks like it is time to get the Aerospace PhDs running some new CFD simulations on this car. That is if no one is already looking into this.
@@ericschlichting7664 They spent millions to make this not happen. If they always will due to this person's physics experiment, then they spent money on something they can't fix. They are likely not going to run in the 170's at every track.
this plus conside where lajoie was when the car became unstable, right at the edge where all the high pressure air is getting dumped off of the #10. think this has a huge amount to do with how quickly it generated lift.
There was a Head wind down the back stretch today though I believe, so that would actually keep the Speeds down in this case…I suppose with a head wind, it could have caused the car to lift more when it got sideways which resulted in packing air under his car to send it over without the assistance of another car booting him like what happened Saturday.
I don’t know that it’s that crazy, the blower in the xfinity race happened like 20mph slower. I know they spent a lot of money but there is only so much you can do with something that shape. Every time this happens people forgot that it’s happened with every iteration of the car since the mid 70’s.
Well this confirms we have a roof flap issue. The Xfinity ones didn't deploy at all, and Corey's deployed for show but effectively did absolutely nothing. They need to completely rethink that concept.
Problem is the underneath of these cup cars. Gives the air barely anywhere to go so it just creates lift and sends them up like a piece of paper in a tornado
The panic over the flat floors... Blowovers have been a thing since the 70's. Maybe we should strive to not turn something with the aerodynamic properties of a brick sideways at 160+ mph. Just spitballing here.
Fr bro I’ve never liked Lajoie because what has he ever done. Plus he acts like he can do all this stuff, but honestly if he was in Hendrick equipment he wouldn’t even catch a top 5 every now and then
The fact that there was not a blow over wreck at Michigan for 24 years to then have two in the same weekend is insane. (The last one was Elliot Sadler in 2000).
Unreal this happens at a non plate race with 34 degree banking and drafting the field. All the angles and it really looks like zero contact, maybe a slight kiss and over he goes. Amazing safety in these cars. Only a few pieces flew off, one a roof flap funny enough.
The flat underbodies Is what caused this and I feel NASCAR should take a look at it and not just brush it off cause this would've never happened in the gen 6 car
It lifted when it hit the transition to the apron. The back stretch there is banked at like 6° or something close to a flat apron. It's going to happen at any track with higher speeds where air can effectively get under the car.
The cause of the flip was due to head wind + a hole created at center of the car. As the car is turned 90deg the rear wheels are on the “inclined” racing surface and the front wheel are on the flat non racing surface making the center of the car high at the center. That is when the car start to flip.
Reminded me of the last Clash at Daytona and the wreck with the 48 and 21. I think as he went around him, the air pushed the car to the right. Possibly because of the headwind down the back.
I’m glad he’s ok that’s crazy seeing two flips at the same weekend I’ve been watching nascar since 2007 and I’ve never seen anything like that the two scariest crashes for me is Ryan Newman’s 2020 Daytona crash and Ryan preece 2023 Daytona flip if I’m not mistaken the last time a cup driver flipped in Michigan was Elliott Sadler in the nascar cup practice In 2000
Too much air getting underneath these cars. Flat underside with the rear end diffuser and tire wells with big openings to trap air under them, they need to take a serious look at the belly of these race cards over the off season to fix this flipping issue...
Who’s f-ing idea was it to make the underside of these cars COMPLETELY FLAT?!?!?! When these cars get air underneath, WTF DID YOU THINK WAS GOING TO HAPPEN?!?!?!
NASCAR knows what they're doing. First, it's for ground force, which uses the air under the car to pull it down into the track and give the tires more grip. Secondly, it masks whatever secrets you have down there so competitors can't steal your exhaust design.
Ikr .. looks like one of the 1/24 scale diecast cars they sell .. the car gets sideways at that speed and turns into a big wing. One doesn't have to be an aero-engineer to see it.
Regarding the cars getting airborne, it seems the passenger side window needs to be replaced with a window net. The air would go through the car and not act as a vacuum as it goes over the car. Plus, getting more air for the driver wouldn't be a bad thing and with the rear window slits, the air would also escape and not build up inside the car. Also, in another instance when a car turns backward, the spoiler needs be designed to let the air push it against the deck lid and not allowed to keep its angle up allowing air to lift the back end. Just saying.😊
I think it is where the 10 was relative to the 7 when he turned, couple with the speed. He was still on the 10's left rear, which would have disrupted the air across the top of the 7, which is ok in and of itself...but as soon as he turns and starts gapping the 10, air hits the top of the 7 again creating a quick low pressure condition across the rear of the car, enough to overcome the roof flap physics...and over she goes. If you watch close, the rear of the car lifts first.
Johnny Benson In 1993. Elliot Sadler In 2000. Kyle Sieg Last Week. And Now Corey Lajoie… HOW MANY FLIPS ARE WE GONNA HAVE AT MICHIGAN?! WE NOW HAVE 4 FLIPS AT MICHIGAN…
Im sure the flat underside certainly contributed, but this is likely a fluke to have 2 cars take off like this in the same weekend. Michigan is faster on the backstretch than the plate tracks, and add on the weather with the wind gusts down the back created a perfect storm for both of these
The fact that we see it as "unacceptable" that a car flips when it crashes after going nearly 200MPH is almost laughable. Physics exists. I know there are extremely smart individuals working to make it impossible, but the reality is, without doing something drastic (like slowing the speeds or something) they aren't going to completely eliminate the possibility of these cars going airborne.
If you are going 200 mph, you are going to flip regardless. When you try and wreck people, you’re going for a ride putting your left front to their right rear.
A race car going faster than a fully fueled fully loaded 747 at take off and the car has a flat bottom. And nobody no why it got air and flipped? Really? WOW!!!
This car will eventually kill someone NASCAR supposedly had this problem fixed looks like they don't have control and it's obvious Corey why you're not driving a car next year that cost a lot of money today😂
2 blowovers at the same non-plate track in the same weekend. If it wasn't obvious that these new cars catch air so easily, it is now. Hopefully nascar doesn't ignore it like they always do whenever something is obviously wrong with the engineering on new cars.
Knowing NASCAR these days they'll do nothing and brag that the safety features protected him instead of actually doing anything to fix it...especially since they've not fixed most of the other issues except making the car crumple more when they crash.
The fact we got two flips on the same weekend at Michigan is insane. I wonder what Daytona is gonna look like lol
The fact that LaJoie is the only driver in the cup series this year that has flipped is freaky
@@nascarkid9792imagine he flips at Daytona
@@EthanSports8 and imagine Reddick wins that race too
Daytona already happened though... how many flipped at Daytona and talladega this year? Ahhh, there's your answer genius
@@3120DownForce but remember what happened last year with Preece
The last time someone flipped twice in one season was rusty wallace in 1993
The only category Corey will ever join an elite driver in
And that same year Johnny Benson flipped his car in the same spot here in Michigan.
Corey’s second flip of the season 💀
corey ran out of talent again as always
He has more flips than non plate track Top 10’s in his career and this year in general 😂
Just like Rusty Wallace in 1993
And both races won by Tyler Reddick! 😅
Blud thinks he's rusty Wallace
Two blowovers in one weekend at a non-plate track.
Don't forget that these cars are at 205mph on this track. Plus it was very windy in Michigan this weekend. But still that's got to be looked into.
MIS used to be a plate track, but iirc they took the plates off because car wouldn't blow over as much due to the low banking (once they started tweaking the bodies to prevent it). They do need to slow these guys down a smidgen though, we've already raised the catch fence here twice, I don't think it'll be able to go much taller 😅
We probably should raise it again anyways after that tire flew over at the Indy race last year
Honestly I've noticed that with these next-gen cars they tend to flip on pavement.more than grass. I wonder if it's the are getting underneath the flat bottom of the car.
@@stephenullman4534 They may need to use the superspeedway package at Michigan in 2025. They will almost certainly have to slow the cars down. That said, speeds are only slightly lower at the 1.5 mile tracks (other than Atlanta)...
@craigceecee8762 I do agree. It's racing. It's going to be dangerous at most any speed. It is what they sign up for after all.
20-22 years ago a couple of us modeled this on the PC -- our supposition was that a normal slide would burn off speed to about 183-185 and if so the car would tend to stay on the ground, but if the car got turned quickly and speed was still above 188 (I think that was the speed), flaps or no flaps the coefficient of lift of the car would give you aero lift (leading edge of car lifts first, as in this case) and away you go... they can fiddle with the shape/spoilers/flaps all they want, but physics hasn't change and at some speed the basic body area of the car will fly... the trick is a slow slide that burns off speed, then the roll if it occurs, will be to roll over the leading edge tires in the more typical roll-over...
That sounds like a CFD analysis. It looks like it is time to get the Aerospace PhDs running some new CFD simulations on this car.
That is if no one is already looking into this.
@@ericschlichting7664 They spent millions to make this not happen. If they always will due to this person's physics experiment, then they spent money on something they can't fix. They are likely not going to run in the 170's at every track.
this plus conside where lajoie was when the car became unstable, right at the edge where all the high pressure air is getting dumped off of the #10. think this has a huge amount to do with how quickly it generated lift.
His car acted like a gymnast at the end, when it double-flipped and then nailed the landing
Do you notice how when it double flipped in the grass that hardly nothing came off of that car? I don’t think that’s OK.
10/10
25mph gusts according to the National Weather Service. This might as well have been a spin at 220mph
I think you win the internet...for this video anyway. That would be enough to make a difference.
@@michaelgomez3044nope
There was a Head wind down the back stretch today though I believe, so that would actually keep the Speeds down in this case…I suppose with a head wind, it could have caused the car to lift more when it got sideways which resulted in packing air under his car to send it over without the assistance of another car booting him like what happened Saturday.
@@NismoFinder yeah, so technically the flip would have been at 175-180 air speed?
Thats more or less correct, it would help
DennyDelivers def gonna deliver on this one
Still the only cup driver to flip this year💀
Two days with two different cars.
Segundo vuelco del año para Lajoie, primero Talladega y ahora Michigan
Cierto creo que talladega fue peor
I don’t know that it’s that crazy, the blower in the xfinity race happened like 20mph slower. I know they spent a lot of money but there is only so much you can do with something that shape. Every time this happens people forgot that it’s happened with every iteration of the car since the mid 70’s.
1:30 Double jump
The only Cup driver to flip this season and he’s done it twice
I could watch this all day.. 😂😂😂😂
Well this confirms we have a roof flap issue. The Xfinity ones didn't deploy at all, and Corey's deployed for show but effectively did absolutely nothing. They need to completely rethink that concept.
It might be more than that. This track was a restrictor plate track.
I think it was the head wind that was going down the backstretch when Corey flipped
its not the flaps, its the under part of the car I think. It gets any air under it at all it's going up and over.
Aboustly agree! @@CorrosionFn
Problem is the underneath of these cup cars. Gives the air barely anywhere to go so it just creates lift and sends them up like a piece of paper in a tornado
Dude nascar is really turning into crazy town this year, with flip after flip, can't wait to watch youtube reactions of people reacting to this race.
@@foxwolf316 Flip after flip? It’s only been 2 all year
@@alawalter918 Sad Taylor Gray noises
@@alawalter9184. Gray, LaJoie, Sieg, LaJoie
@@STEN47HOUSE I meant in Cup
I mean in both the top 3 nascar divisions.
Love to see a good car flip🎉
The panic over the flat floors...
Blowovers have been a thing since the 70's. Maybe we should strive to not turn something with the aerodynamic properties of a brick sideways at 160+ mph. Just spitballing here.
True
Landed on exactly the same spot as the xfinity yesterday
I bet you the title to my car and my house that his car did not land in the EXACT same spot. Why are you making false claims?
Sure looked like it to me.. look at the grass in the replays.. I thought the same anyways
@@3120DownForce you know what he means 🙄 being pedantic for no reason... classic
Well, I finally got to see the ground effects.
That’s what makes racing racing as long as the driver climbs out it’s great !
How come I am getting flashbacks of Johnny Benson 1993 twice? Does anyone remember that flip?
Yes in Ernie Irvan's Busch Series car.
Corey was attempting to spin Gragson and he didn't have the down force to execute a pit maneuver.
That was a bush league move, totally unnecessary.
and Jeff Burton said "That's just racing 🤡"
Fr bro I’ve never liked Lajoie because what has he ever done. Plus he acts like he can do all this stuff, but honestly if he was in Hendrick equipment he wouldn’t even catch a top 5 every now and then
@toadsixeight He didn't even finish in the top-20 when he drove Elliott's car at Gateway.
The fact that there was not a blow over wreck at Michigan for 24 years to then have two in the same weekend is insane. (The last one was Elliot Sadler in 2000).
Unreal this happens at a non plate race with 34 degree banking and drafting the field. All the angles and it really looks like zero contact, maybe a slight kiss and over he goes. Amazing safety in these cars. Only a few pieces flew off, one a roof flap funny enough.
I think with now 2 flips in one weekend at Michigan now would be the perfect time for nascar to release the Elliot Sadler flip video
Watch there will be a flip this weekend at Daytona in Xfinity and Cup
Similar to Kyle Sieg’s flip two days ago.
His roof flaps came up but it did not set that car back down.
The flat underbodies Is what caused this and I feel NASCAR should take a look at it and not just brush it off cause this would've never happened in the gen 6 car
And hood flaps. Don't forget the hood flaps
@@davidpearson1157 like that was going to help these underbodies I swear break physics everytime these cars get off the ground
@@Joseph_Ochoa. both the underbody, and according to the NWS, there have been gusts upwards of 25 mph in the area
@@Joseph_Ochoa. it seems this happens regardless of era, the cars just have a way of getting airborne sometimes
Hope Corey is ok.
It lifted when it hit the transition to the apron. The back stretch there is banked at like 6° or something close to a flat apron. It's going to happen at any track with higher speeds where air can effectively get under the car.
The cause of the flip was due to head wind + a hole created at center of the car. As the car is turned 90deg the rear wheels are on the “inclined” racing surface and the front wheel are on the flat non racing surface making the center of the car high at the center. That is when the car start to flip.
Tried to wreck Noah and wrecked himself. Dude is in a bad place
Reminded me of the last Clash at Daytona and the wreck with the 48 and 21. I think as he went around him, the air pushed the car to the right. Possibly because of the headwind down the back.
NASCAR will blame the grass
I’m glad he’s ok that’s crazy seeing two flips at the same weekend I’ve been watching nascar since 2007 and I’ve never seen anything like that the two scariest crashes for me is Ryan Newman’s 2020 Daytona crash and Ryan preece 2023 Daytona flip if I’m not mistaken the last time a cup driver flipped in Michigan was Elliott Sadler in the nascar cup practice In 2000
yeah lets make the bottom of the car solid like a wing; what could possibly go wrong.
I personally don't think an undertray and diffuser belongs on a stock car but they designed a Trans-AM car for a circle track series.
That was a scary site for Corey Lajoy yesterday when he went up and over
EA SPORTS IT'S IN THE GAME!
I KNEW WE WE'RE GONNA HAVE A FLIP AT MICHIGAN THIS YEAR!!!!!!!
Too much air getting underneath these cars. Flat underside with the rear end diffuser and tire wells with big openings to trap air under them, they need to take a serious look at the belly of these race cards over the off season to fix this flipping issue...
Another happy landing (I’m glad he is ok)
Scary to think that had their been grass, this would have looked the exact same as the Preece flip.
Flips on the hood, scraping all the way down the backstretch. Never seen that before.
Its hilarious watching this sped up at 2x
Who’s f-ing idea was it to make the underside of these cars COMPLETELY FLAT?!?!?! When these cars get air underneath, WTF DID YOU THINK WAS GOING TO HAPPEN?!?!?!
The Next Gen Car Is Awesome
@@SergeantMassonFanfr
NASCAR knows what they're doing. First, it's for ground force, which uses the air under the car to pull it down into the track and give the tires more grip. Secondly, it masks whatever secrets you have down there so competitors can't steal your exhaust design.
Ikr .. looks like one of the 1/24 scale diecast cars they sell .. the car gets sideways at that speed and turns into a big wing. One doesn't have to be an aero-engineer to see it.
Now I am REALLY SCARED for Daytona!
I CAN’T WATCH!!! 😱🫣
Second flip this year for Corey Lajoie!
The car amazingly still looked good
Regarding the cars getting airborne, it seems the passenger side window needs to be replaced with a window net. The air would go through the car and not act as a vacuum as it goes over the car. Plus, getting more air for the driver wouldn't be a bad thing and with the rear window slits, the air would also escape and not build up inside the car. Also, in another instance when a car turns backward, the spoiler needs be designed to let the air push it against the deck lid and not allowed to keep its angle up allowing air to lift the back end. Just saying.😊
I think it is where the 10 was relative to the 7 when he turned, couple with the speed. He was still on the 10's left rear, which would have disrupted the air across the top of the 7, which is ok in and of itself...but as soon as he turns and starts gapping the 10, air hits the top of the 7 again creating a quick low pressure condition across the rear of the car, enough to overcome the roof flap physics...and over she goes. If you watch close, the rear of the car lifts first.
Johnny Benson In 1993. Elliot Sadler In 2000. Kyle Sieg Last Week. And Now Corey Lajoie… HOW MANY FLIPS ARE WE GONNA HAVE AT MICHIGAN?! WE NOW HAVE 4 FLIPS AT MICHIGAN…
What alarms me the most is how fast it got up in the air without touching the grass.
Almost like last year in Daytona Summer Ryan Preece flip
In the exact same spot as the xfinity flip
You can see the makes in the grass where the xfinity car flipped right before Corey gets there
I have never seen an attempt to spin someone backfire so completely 😂 Idk why else he'd swerve hard enough at Noah's bumper to lose control
“but if you close your eyes”
When it got exactly sideways is when it lifted off the ground,
I wonder the last time a driver flipped twice in the same season. Also crazy that Michigan saw 2 flips during the weekend.
Im sure the flat underside certainly contributed, but this is likely a fluke to have 2 cars take off like this in the same weekend. Michigan is faster on the backstretch than the plate tracks, and add on the weather with the wind gusts down the back created a perfect storm for both of these
Corey Lajoie almost did the same thing like Kyle Seig flip.
the most corey lajoie thing to ever happen. both his rookie teammates run T10 and corey self spins himself into a flip and DNFs in like 32nd
The fact that we see it as "unacceptable" that a car flips when it crashes after going nearly 200MPH is almost laughable. Physics exists. I know there are extremely smart individuals working to make it impossible, but the reality is, without doing something drastic (like slowing the speeds or something) they aren't going to completely eliminate the possibility of these cars going airborne.
Something that never happens at Michigan. When was the last time a car got upside down there? 1993 or 94?
The most recent in Xfinity is Johnny Benson Jr in 1993.
The most recent in Cup is Elliott Sadler in 2000.
And the most recent non-superspeedway flip blowover wise in the Cup Series was Brad K. in 2010 @ Atlanta.
If you are going 200 mph, you are going to flip regardless. When you try and wreck people, you’re going for a ride putting your left front to their right rear.
Not surprised.
Poor Corey. He’s having a Ryan Newman career of a season.
No. He’s just bad
@@SESKE_5 he almost won the 500, he was in the top 5 for the final few laps before chastian became a wrecking ball
@@iLikePlanez he almost won a super speedway. Ironic how even then he can hardly do anything. Bro is gonna be stacking burgers in a few years 😭
Daytona is gonna be insane bro...
First driver to flip twice in one season since Rusty Wallace in 1993
When you have a 4 x 8 piece of plywood attached under your car what do you expect.
LaJoie is his own worst enemy. He forgets that the goal is a good finish, not personal conflicts with other drivers.
Is it 1984 or 2024
No matter how much time and money they spend they will never stop this
Now we've seen it all, dude tries to wreck somebody and ends up having a blowover himself. Classic.
We love flips. NASCAR needs more.
Lajoyride strikes again!
How original.
That right front fender damage might have been a factor in that car flipping, other than that, I'm lost for words.
Are we still wondering why these cars are flipping the way they are ? Look how flat that bottom is. We talk about roof flaps. Come on Nascar
disagree Dale. Car did magnificent. Did it's safety job perfectly. Only way to prevent airborne wrecks at these speeds is to leave the sport.
Under 1 Hour Gang Right here
No one’s talking about trying to wreck Noah?
He Wasn't Tryna Wreck Him
Back to the drawing board.
Yeah, but look at how soft that touch on the inside wall was
A race car going faster than a fully fueled fully loaded 747 at take off and the car has a flat bottom.
And nobody no why it got air and flipped? Really? WOW!!!
NASCAR is definitely gonna impound that car & figure out what happened
This car will eventually kill someone NASCAR supposedly had this problem fixed looks like they don't have control and it's obvious Corey why you're not driving a car next year that cost a lot of money today😂
Lol
2 blowovers at the same non-plate track in the same weekend. If it wasn't obvious that these new cars catch air so easily, it is now. Hopefully nascar doesn't ignore it like they always do whenever something is obviously wrong with the engineering on new cars.
Knowing NASCAR these days they'll do nothing and brag that the safety features protected him instead of actually doing anything to fix it...especially since they've not fixed most of the other issues except making the car crumple more when they crash.
Instead of roof flaps of old, they need floor pan louvers to prevent this.
0:48
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I watched the race and don't remember seeing this
tHiS CaR Is SaFeR tHan tHe GeN 6
Gen 4 is so back
I think that the flaring of the wheel wells on this generation's of cars is what is causing these blowovers.
Corey should rethinking his life career,i heard team USA artistic gymnast spot is vacant for the next olympic
I feel like if he didn’t go airborn, it would’ve been much worse as he would’ve gone straight into the wall with more speed
These cars won't get airborne...😉
7 rekt himself trying for a get back
It’s either draft turbulence sucked him into the left rear of the car he was trying to pass, or he just did a horrible job of trying to pass.
It was a s skill issue
Imagine Daytona and Talladega in the playoffs
That's just typical Lajoi racing
What's the first rule of racing payback?
The number one rule of stock car racing is learning how to wreck someone without wrecking yourself.
@@kevinhunter3358Thanks Landon Cassill!
That slide lasted 10 seconds