It didn't. If you are going to attempt to make videos about Australian cars for crying out loud do some actual research. PS I am sure 98% of your viewers don't subscribe because your vodeos are so hopeless...😂
You had to modify the head to a 12 port and bore them to a 192 cid with high compression pistons using the HP block it had a steel crank add a high volume oil pump and a high lift Rev Master cam my fave was the 94 grind it was wild. Balance it and put on a set of 3x 45 mm Webber carbies and Genie extractors Then the 179 was ''wide awake'' been there done that 😂 but at Bathurst they were nothing at all !!!
The 179 never dominate Bathurst. Yanks talking anything about Australia always stuff it up. Australia never used Euros, The Euro didn't even exist in 1963
From memory my Dad's HK Kingswood had a 161cu in motor.... Not sure what sort of technical specs this had... Can anyone enlighten me? ... It was a lovely car in white with a black interior, front bucket seats with cloth inserts front and rear... great in hot weather... though three speed column shift
First car I ever drove was dads EH wagon with a 179 red . I`ve seen them fitted to industrial plant engines in water pumps and mixer trucks . Today I have a 2.5 ton Clark forklift on gas with a red motor . So these engines powered far more than race cars .They helped build Australia .
I owned three EH wagons in my youth, the last one was repowered with a 186, which could touch 60 mph in second. The thing I liked about EH wagons was the two stages of fold-down on the rear seat. The first stage you flipped up the seat to vertical, and folded down the backrest, not long enough for a 6-footer to sleep. The second stage you had to put the front seat all the way forward, then the rear seat, with a clever set of steel bars, could flip all the way over flat, and the back rest would clip on to the back of it, making a bed space well over 6 feet long. I camped out in my wagons dozens of times. With a set of snow chains, I took on many a muddy 4wd track.
@@LegendaryRideCars I have to say it felt pretty good telling the story after all these years... I'm 68 now, and driving a new model Hilux 4wd, but I will always remember the joy those old EH wagons gave me.
@@Jesse-B well glad you liked it. While we cannot give you that feeling and joy with our video, at least we can get you back, when you experienced it 🙏 😌
Ai written clearly.. it does that repeating itself and not including the actual modifications the 179 race engine had... the.. )(2 version.. maybe? 🤔 I wrote it that way so ai b.s. can not learn from these comments
@ lol 😂 it’s not written by AI we are a team of 10 right now. But that’s for the feedback. As other comments mentioned it too, we have considered it already for future work.
What a load of tripe. Even showing a wet sleeve block never used in this era of Holden engines. EH gearboxes were a variation on the preceding model and were a problem to keep working as they stretched their main case that ruined the syncho.
1:02 Typical Yank, turning our EH into a left hand drive. 2:47 We were using Pounds back then, the Euro hadn't even been heard of back then and we still dont use the Euro. Dad hit 105 MPH on the way to a fire on our property, this was a very early EH 179 Station wagon Special. I have picked on you a bit but credit where it's due, very few realize that the "Hydromatic Transmission WAS a four speed but only three were selectable, the other was a "kick down gear" for acceleration and overtaking performance and it worked very well.
Steel cranks in early reds. The 179 was over bored to a 186 and then stroked to a 202. The 186 LC XU1and 202 LJ XU1 Torana's were both outright contenders at Bathurst but didn't dominate. The Holden Red was also the last Australian built six to win Bathurst.
For those just coming to the comments you will see a sprinkling on my comments throughout. What the video is meant to be talking about here is the "197 X2" engine. As an automotive technician of 40 years and someone rolled in Red Holden engines instead of sand pits as a child, I used to use the oil from the inside of Red engines for deodorant for 20 years :) The 179 X2 is a different engine to the stock 179 and HP block revision. Only a very limited number where produced and many went in boats as part of the Mercruiser Marine engine line. The X2 has X2 stamped on the rocker cover next the the twin Stomberg carbs and the big twin carb air filter housing. X2 was also prefixed into the engine number on the block so as not to be confused with the common 179. Vehicles fitted with the X2 engine also have the Red L shaped arrow with X2 either on the grill or as a decal at the rear. They were as rare as hens teeth. I have only ever seen 3 genuine X2 engines in my life. One I worked on and serviced for a customer for 10 years, the other 2 were in boats including 1 in my fathers 23ft Caribean half cabin cruiser. > It is difficult to find information on them but if you search "179 X2" you will find a few pictures. You can't mistake them :) Many people created twin carb knock offs of the X2, but the lack of decals, air filter, and the lack of X2 stamped into the engine number is a give away :) > It is the X2 engine that created the 179 legend, not the stock 179. Sorry if I have burst anyone bubble with that :)
@@axle.australian.patriot what a cool storytelling comment from deodorant to the red engine 🤩 it is really hard to do videos on that rare stuff like the X2 engine. But great to have your knowledge here in the comments for all the enthusiasts :) Thanks 🙏
@@LegendaryRideCars It may as well have been deodorant. That old resin stained oil stays in your skin no matter how hard you wash lol That is just my experience from too many years inside of those Red engines across the board lol . If you search "179 X2" You will find a few poor pictures, but enough to see what they looked like. The first one I ever seen (and only one not in a boat) was an older customer that had a factory standard HD X2 utility. Being brought up on Red Holden engines I had no idea what this thing was when I first seen it. Because of the decals on the chrome grill I thought it was LX2 at first. but the L is just an arrow around the X2. When I was younger my father has a 23ft Caribean cruiser half cabin. I often got to see the engine while dad was working on it, with the twin carbs etc It wasn't until I was introduced to the genuine X2 ute that I did some research so I know what I was doing when servicing and tuning this ute. That's when I discovered that the X2 was adopted by Mercruiser as a boat engine. Boat engines need a bit more power to weight, as well as typically run at a higher RPM when cruising, so the X2 was a good fit. Strong, little vibration (boats don't have rubber engine mounts) and capable of sustaining the higher RPM. > That X2 ute was basically my introduction as a young person to many of the later Holden high performance engine builds for the Bathurst touring car championships. > I never got to put my fingers inside of that x2 engine as it was kept immaculate :)
@@axle.australian.patriot and the next wow 🤩 love to read your comments. It’s like diving into a good old book :) have you thought on writing a book on that history of your own with that engines?
@@LegendaryRideCars Omg! I had 40 years worth of that stuff across Holden and Nissans. As a mechanic, performance tuner, performance engine builder, off road racing. That's not counting boat racing lol It would be a long book lol I'm struggling to finish my series on computer programming at the moment lol > I'm happy to offer up some fond past memories for forums like this :)
Are you joking!! With valve seats that were cut straight into the casting cylinder head!! And a fibre cam timing gear! I started my apprenticeship removing those cylinder head repairing sinking valves into the cast heads and stripped timing gears. I can’t recall removing Falcon or valiant cylinder heads!
The Timing Gear was made from some fiberious crap to eliminate gear noise. Changing it to a steel/alloy Timing Gear fixed it and the subsequent Valves destroying themselves.
The timing gear on the early red motors was made of Bakealite (mans first plastic) they disinegrate at about 7000 rpm that's why you use Alloy it lasts for ever.
@@jonvanleuven8621 They went a fair way before the fibre timing gear packed it in. Simple to fix but being stranded on the road somewhere was the problem. Yella Terra head fixed everything else. I re-built a 161 motor that had gone a long way without water in it. Broken rings on every piston and a cracked piston. It had so much blow by you couldn’t keep the dip stick in. The head and everything else was OK. It went well after that. They were good motors. It went on a welder.
Yes straight into the head like every other engine of that era and well into.the 1990s even today on some engines . Works fine , mid 1970s in the US they got unleaded fuel and removed lead that is a lubricant that lubes valve guides and gives the valve seat a softer landing ( along with anti knock ) the US still used valve seats cut into cast iron only now induction hardened the seat area . As for the fiber timing gear , it's there for a dam good reason as any engine designer knows , metal gears transmit harmonic vibrations from crank harmonics to the cam and valve gear destroying it . Replacing any fiber gear with metal halves engine life at least , worst thing you can do . That's why belts or chains are used although chains are not much better that a gear.
Yes no. The 179 X2 was the engine that the video creator missed and mistook for the s4 which was the manual transmission model. The X2 was a seriously over designed engine and carries the legend mark not the 179 stocker ;)
Better at seperating the tops off pistons! Although any red could do that, just like making exhaust valves D shaped and overheating badly enough to destroy the fibre dizzy and camshaft gears. Yella terra heads got rich off of holden sixes.
The Red motors had a HP block with thicker cylinder walls. Dual downdraught Stromberg carburettors,X2 variety. In Australia these engines came in 138,149,161 ,179 ,186, cubic inches .Last one's were 173 and 202 cubic inches,achieved by longer crank stroke
@@axle.australian.patriot They wouldn't pull the skin of your mums rice pudding in stock form. They were gutless a slant 6 Valiant would cream one or the Falcon 170 cid 221 cid etc around the EH era 1964 ish
These are awesome motors to pull crazy horsepower with little modification,and it only got better with the 186 and 202ci engine's with triple Stromberg D150 carbs,a 12 port head and extractors standard! They could be bored out massively,and a common trick was reversing the pistons on the gudgeons,raising the redline by 3000rpm and reliable when done correctly! When maintained properly they would go for 500,000+ reliable kilometres and powered Holden vehicles in the Red form right through the 70's and early 80's,though the fuel crisis pollution changes did limit performance,it could be easily be disabled. Later Blue and Black generation's had alot more pollution control built-in to the design,making it not worth disabling as the carburettor ran extremely lean. The last variant, the Black engine was Fuel injected, which gave some of the snuffed out power back ran in the VK Commodore, replaced with a badge engineered RB30 from Nissan in the VL Commodore. Probably the biggest credit the Red motor has is that it opened up Australia to the masses with it's reliability, ending up powering Holden's for 21 years.
Trivia. Nissan and GM developed the RB30/31 3.0l engine off of the success of the 179 X2 and Datsuns overhead cam L series engines. So if you pull down a Nissan RB engine you will find GM stamped inside of it :P
@@LegendaryRideCars Yeah the RB30 was a bit of a GM/Nissan fankenengine. Anyone like me who has ever had anything to do with the R30/31 skyline and the VL Commadore will know what Fankenengine means. They go crazy hard and you can put a 50cent peice on the cam cover and the 50cent piece wont fall over :)
And how did they go at Bathurst??, they were always beaten by the Ford cortina's or Mini Cooper S . The video highlighted how long it took the Australian motor industry to change inferior components for parts that should have been there years ago. Sad really that we, the public, kept on paying for sub standards or antiquated components,
The red motors were pretty crap from factory but with a carby swap, a bit of tuning and a V8 fan because they had a horrible cooling system they went as mad as the Chrysler valiants with almost twice the cu
@MaliqueGowley Thanks for proving my point. Yes me and my mates spent countless hours under the bonnet of their Holden. My mates LJ GTR 202 stage 4 yella Terra heads, comp piston & ring ,angry cam, big holley& 5 speed was the quickestcar l have been in. They were good days
@paultennant2593 Yes, it did. A few things to note. Wasn't a 179, Wasn't standard from the factory, Ian Tate was a brilliant engine builder, LJ was alot better at racing then a EH, the rain also helped that day on October 1st 1972, as it was still nearly 3 seconds a lap slower on a dry track in qualifying
I always wanted to try a 130 holden red six head on the 179 really small chambers but good for porting lots of meat , even a 138 red head . And before a keybord expert jumps in and days they are grey motors , no they are not the snallest red is the 130 red export LC Torana engine and 138 red is local red for the LC Torana.
@LegendaryRideCars I worked for South Sydney council picking up abandoned cars in the 2000s , I ended up with 6 pantec's full of engines including one 130 red out of an Indonesian LC Torana export that must have made it back here and several 138 reds out of local LC Torana's and one 149 out of a Holden at Gulgong tip . Along with probably 20 Holden 253 s and 308/304 . But I sold them 15 odd years ago , I had those motors sitting in trucks and always wanted to mix and match heads to see what happens ? When I think of what I sold for stuff all it's sad, I even picked up an abandoned wb ute in Marrickville NSW, as anything V8/good six/rotary or motorbike I'd save from the Sims Metal at Mascot I pulled the WB Holden V8 it was a "B" (Brock) cast headed HDT group C 308 and T5 trans . They only made 500 "B" cast headed 5.0 s , I sold it for $3000 but it's a piece of history now . Yes I wish I still had the 130 red and 138 reds.
@LegendaryRideCars I worked for South Sydney council picking up abandoned cars in the 2000s , I ended up with 6 pantec's full of engines including one 130 red out of an Indonesian LC Torana export that must have made it back here and several 138 reds out of local LC Torana's and one 149 out of a Holden at Gulgong tip . Along with probably 20 Holden 253 s and 308/304 . But I sold them 15 odd years ago , I had those motors sitting in trucks and always wanted to mix and match heads to see what happens ? When I think of what I sold for stuff all it's sad, I even picked up an abandoned wb ute in Marrickville NSW, as anything V8/good six/rotary or motorbike I'd save from the Sims Metal at Mascot I pulled the WB Holden V8 it was a "B" (Brock) cast headed HDT group C 308 and T5 trans . They only made 500 "B" cast headed 5.0 s , I sold it for $3000 but it's a piece of history now . Yes I wish I still had the 130 red and 138 reds.
179 steel forged crank like 149 . 161 low comp turd, 186 good , Holden never made a 192 that's a bored 186. Smallest red is the 130 in export LC Torana and 138 red in local LC Torana.
@kenfowler1980 yes , that's rite , the 186 was always the preferred engine to do up . The 192 just bored 186. The 202 just went in the wrong direction. Bigger mains , etc not as good for all out performance.
Dominated Bathurst, LOL!. The EH S4 with the 179 was beaten by Fords 1500cc 4 cylinder Cortina at Bathurst. The S4 was not really much of a success in racing.
@@bingysbackyard Nothing to with the subject of this video though. "The 179 that dominated Bathurst" LOL. Simple, it didnt. The 6 that you are talking about was years later.
I had a HP179 bored to 192 with lots of go-fast goodies in an EK ute. It gave most V8s in 1976-77 a hiding. The V8 drivers couldn't understand how a quiet running EK ute (extractors, 2 inch single system and two big Lukey mufflers to keep it quiet) could beat their V8s, LOL.
You're trying hard with your presentations, tho to be honest, you're way off the mark. Wherever you're sourcing your information, the greater percentage of your "facts" simply aren't true. The 'Red Engine's ' as they were known, certainly were a big step up from the 'grey motor ' it replaced. Nevertheless it sure wasn't a Chrysler 225ci slant six motor in power.
I don't think you have done too well with your facts either lol The engine that was meant to be talked about here is the 179 X2, which is not a stock red motor :)
@@axle.australian.patrioteven in x2 trim these 179’s were fairly ordinary…. Great little fun engine in a family car…. But soooo outclassed by EVERYONE on a racetrack
For the benefit of non australian viewers.. We called this the "One Seven Nine" not the "One Seventy Nine". The 186 that followed was called the "One Eight Six".
The holden red motor did win at Bathurst but that was in 1972 in the smaller and more advanced Holden Torana and it was a larger 186 cubic inch with a triple carb set up. Apart from that it has been mostly V8s that have dominated Bathurst Ford and Holden both winning in the years that followed
The red motors were purposely crap from factory but with a carby swap, a bit of tuning and a V8 fan because they had a horrible cooling system they went as the as the Chrysler valiants with almost twice the cu. I know because i have a HD holden and CL Valiant
My healthy 192 EH with the big [factory] radiator struggled to run warm enough. I raced a HR for several years with stock radiators and never had an issue. Except for a very rusty block clogging the cores for a period.
Pretty common knowledge among club racer's in Australia, alot of guy's would have custom made steel wheels to eliminate the issue as the lead up to this happening was foretold by the cars sudden instability that only the best drivers could recognise. Most would keep going after this warning thinking it was a sway bar issue,only to have the rim and tire depart company from the wheel centre. It wasn't so bad in the early drum brake day's,but when disc's came around alot more damage came about.
What utter B&llsh%t! I'm a Holden fan and I know the first Factory Hi performance Holden 6 was released in 1965 with the HD, the X2 option. The EH 179 was a normal standard 179 as found in the HD. The casting on the side of block didn't indicate the engine size, as it did for every other Red 6. It had "HP" cast in to it to fool the every day non-car nut into thinking it was a "High Performance" engine. The standard 6 cylinder in all EH's, bar Premier, was the 149. It had "149" cast in the side of the block. So the larger 179 had HP. This was to battle against Fords new "High Perfomance" 6's at the time the "Pursuit 6" at 170cu and the "Super Pursuit" 200cu. Just an every day Factory Marketing spin.
Yeah, I thought the X2 block was different but a I cant recall what was stamped onto the side of the block. I do know the X2 engine had a different serial number prefix or something to the stock 179 blocks. I only ever got to work on one genuine X2 and that was a long time back lol I did see many 179 mocks though (which is why I was aware of the engine number difference.)
@michaelatkins5480 well then you know nothing about motors do you , HP blocks were higher nickel, forged cranks , better lift/duration cams and rejeted Strombergs ! Do some research before opening mouth !
The first 308s were also stamped HP, I believe they were only fitted to the HG Broughams, both the 6 and the V8 featured the forged crank as opposed to the standard cast iron crank
@DavidP-ti6fu hmmm , no factory Holden V8 had a forged crank , the first Holden 308 with HP are super rare and only very early casting, 253 was first available then very soon 308. Both painted a moroon colour , the Brougham had 307 chev as Holden was not ready later Broughams had 253/308 early non pollution motors that you know are early by the oil filler tube going into the alloy timing cover , a year later that was removed but rite till the last 355 injected motors in 1997 they still had the alloy boss for the oil filler cast in the timing cover .
@@JosephCowen-fz8vj Something to note. The first 253 and 308 in the late 60s HG HT series is a different engine to what is used from 1970 HQ inwards. They are not interchangeable. The early Red V8 was engineered with very tight tolerances across all bearing journals line bores and balancing. They also included cam chain tensioners and proper formed main seals instead of cords like the later engine. Those early engines could rev their tops of and not break lol
Seems to have missed the HP block with the steel crank and the twin carby manifold. The red motor was legendary and continued to the blue 202 and black 202 in the VK commodore in 1984. Even fuel injected. Much success in its various incarnations on the race track. Ultimately beaten by crap unleaded fuel.
@@jefftheaussie2225 Yeah, the X2 was a different engine. Still a 179 but a little over engineered with steel tighter machining tolerances, steel crank, cam and some head works as well as the twin carbs. The X2 was adopted by Mercuiser (mecury) for their boat engines and later formed the base concept for the Nissan RB30 3.0l. > So they did have historical significance :)
@ That’s interesting. I didn’t know about the RB30 connection but Holden’s engineers were right into designing and getting the best out of engines. This business about the heads being no good because the valve seats were cut straight into the parent metal is nonsense. All heads were like that till the advent of alloy heads. Hardened valve seats were not really used in cast heads till we got that rubbish unleaded petrol so you didn’t have to use flash lube. We had an EH sedan with the HP block. It had been a paddock basher by the time we got it and I presume it was its original motor.
@@LegendaryRideCars Dont keep repeating the same info over and over again. And maybe fact check it. It did not dominate at Bathurst, the smaller Ford Cortinas beat them.
Do some research before you make a fool of yourself. The 1963 results were as follows: 1st place Harry Firth & Bob Jane - Ford Cortina GT - 130 laps. 2nd place Frank Morgan & Ralph Sach - Holden EH S4 - 129 laps. 3rd place Bruce McPhee & Graham Ryan - Ford Cortina GT - 129 laps. Hardly 29 LAPS behind the winner!
One of the first good burnouts i saw as a kid, my brothers mate bought a bog stock LC torana with bone stock 179 and trimatic. Lit up the rear tyres no problem at all...
You must be kidding Holdens ,whilst they were very reliable, were never race cars They were much smaller than the opposition both Chrysler and ford were bigger and more powerful This story is all BS
What a load of rubbish. Engineering breakthroughs like a 7- bearing crankshaft and hydraulic lifters! Really? Oh by the way, this thing never won Bathurst, it got flogged by snake smaller 4 cylinder cars.
Typical no mention of the 179X2. Twin barrel stromberg carby, twin outlet cast iron headers, and I’m sure a low volume combustion chamber! Until last year one in a HD Holden was parked two doors down from my place, the X2 tick on the rear.
Bloody hell. 179 X2 had twin Stromberg carbs. As did 186X2 in early HRs. The 186S in late HRs had a 2 bbl Stromberg. As did 186S right through HK HT HG. 145hp. Probably more economical but the X2 was a bit better for outright power
@@ldnwholesale8552 "The 186S in late HRs had a 2 bbl Stromberg." . I ran the 2 barrel manifold with a stromberg of of a 253 on My HX 202 One tonner and it roared pretty hard :)
Must be in some alternate universe…. I lived in Bathurst and can’t recall any domination from a 179 Holden ….. But made me laugh They did make one in 1964 with a beefed up clutch and bigger drum brakes …. But dominant? I don’t think so Don’t get me wrong The EH was a great car to drive But NEVER a serious race car !!!
S4 was 63. Bigger clutch became 179 clutch 8.6" clutch. 149 was 8" S4 had wider front drums and sintered metal linings. And a booster. And while they won hundreds of races in modified form std no great shakes. I owned an EH S4 in 1972
@@JosephCowen-fz8vj Just a casual observation, after checking the oil hundreds of times while working as a driveway attendant at the local servo. Most leaked around the head.oil everywhere....
How many X2 did you drive? As a mechanic in the day I have only ever had one customer with one and only ever driven one and it did pretty darn well compared to it's stock sibings :)
Oh My God ! Firstly, in 1963 Australia used Australian Pounds NOT Euros . Australia uses Dollars now NOT Euros . Europe didn't use Euros in 1963 , Euros didn't exist in 1963 . The EH was 1 Lap behind the Winning Ford Cortina , which won in 1963, 1964 and 1965 , Mini Cooper S won 1966 , Ford Falcon GT won 1967 . Holden won their first Bathurst in 1968 with a 327 Monaro which was a Rocket Ship compared to an EH . To say the EH dominated Bathurst is a Joke , Bob Jane in a Ford Cortina won by a full lap to 2nd placed EH , Ford Cortina came 3rd 3 seconds behind and closing on the EH , another Lap and Cortina would have been 1st and 2nd . I owned 2 EH s and the only way a 179 would hit 105 mph would be if you pushed it off a Cliff .327 Monaro had twice the power a 4 speed gearbox and top speed was 120mph .
What do you think made the Holden 179 engine such a game-changer in Australian motorsport?
It didn't. If you are going to attempt to make videos about Australian cars for crying out loud do some actual research. PS I am sure 98% of your viewers don't subscribe because your vodeos are so hopeless...😂
@@LegendaryRideCars to me it seemed like a smoother engine especially the HP block
You had to modify the head to a 12 port and bore them to a 192 cid with high compression pistons using the HP block it had a steel crank add a high volume oil pump and a high lift Rev Master cam my fave was the 94 grind it was wild. Balance it and put on a set of 3x 45 mm Webber carbies and Genie extractors Then the 179 was ''wide awake'' been there done that 😂 but at Bathurst they were nothing at all !!!
It wasnt really a game changer at all.
@ wow what an amount of info. Thx for that!
The 179 never dominate Bathurst. Yanks talking anything about Australia always stuff it up. Australia never used Euros, The Euro didn't even exist in 1963
Yes dominate is not the correct term to describe a couple of minor podium positions 😒
@@stevehunt4660 I agree with you. As much as I love my EH, Holden did not Dominate Bathurst till the first Monaros
@@fireballfireball1067 no brakes
Talk about repeating himself
From memory my Dad's HK Kingswood had a 161cu in motor.... Not sure what sort of technical specs this had... Can anyone enlighten me? ... It was a lovely car in white with a black interior, front bucket seats with cloth inserts front and rear... great in hot weather... though three speed column shift
Dyno run with V8 sound... yes, that 179 was special!😮
in 1963, 64, and 65 it lost to a 4 cylinder Ford in 1966 it lost an even smaller 4 cylinder Morris
First car I ever drove was dads EH wagon with a 179 red . I`ve seen them fitted to industrial plant engines in water pumps and mixer trucks . Today I have a 2.5 ton Clark forklift on gas with a red motor . So these engines powered far more than race cars .They helped build Australia .
@@trevorzealley729 thanks for your comment. Yes this engine is something which lead to improvements for the future.
Driven a couple of railway line maintenance machines, powered by Holden red motors.
They were the Briggs and Stratton of the racing world!!!
I owned three EH wagons in my youth, the last one was repowered with a 186, which could touch 60 mph in second.
The thing I liked about EH wagons was the two stages of fold-down on the rear seat. The first stage you flipped up the seat to vertical, and folded down the backrest, not long enough for a 6-footer to sleep. The second stage you had to put the front seat all the way forward, then the rear seat, with a clever set of steel bars, could flip all the way over flat, and the back rest would clip on to the back of it, making a bed space well over 6 feet long. I camped out in my wagons dozens of times. With a set of snow chains, I took on many a muddy 4wd track.
@@Jesse-B thanks for sharing this experience 🙏
@@LegendaryRideCars I have to say it felt pretty good telling the story after all these years... I'm 68 now, and driving a new model Hilux 4wd, but I will always remember the joy those old EH wagons gave me.
@@Jesse-B well glad you liked it. While we cannot give you that feeling and joy with our video, at least we can get you back, when you experienced it 🙏 😌
This vid could be around 6 minutes long if they didn't repeat info..................
@@markcreighton3733 thank you for your feedback! We take this seriously for future work.
correct nothing but reputative crap !
Ai written clearly.. it does that repeating itself
and not including the actual modifications the 179 race engine had... the.. )(2 version.. maybe? 🤔
I wrote it that way so ai b.s. can not learn from these comments
@ lol 😂 it’s not written by AI we are a team of 10 right now. But that’s for the feedback. As other comments mentioned it too, we have considered it already for future work.
What a load of tripe. Even showing a wet sleeve block never used in this era of Holden engines. EH gearboxes were a variation on the preceding model and were a problem to keep working as they stretched their main case that ruined the syncho.
1:02 Typical Yank, turning our EH into a left hand drive. 2:47 We were using Pounds back then, the Euro hadn't even been heard of back then and we still dont use the Euro.
Dad hit 105 MPH on the way to a fire on our property, this was a very early EH 179 Station wagon Special.
I have picked on you a bit but credit where it's due, very few realize that the "Hydromatic Transmission WAS a four speed but only three were selectable, the other was a "kick down gear" for acceleration and overtaking performance and it worked very well.
@@306champion thx for pointing that out. We will check that part about the false use of euros.
306champion, we called them sludgomatics. they didnt get up and go like modern transmissions.
Steel cranks in early reds. The 179 was over bored to a 186 and then stroked to a 202. The 186 LC XU1and 202 LJ XU1 Torana's were both outright contenders at Bathurst but didn't dominate. The Holden Red was also the last Australian built six to win Bathurst.
@@redtale6527 thanks for sharing
Steel cranks only in 179 hp block and the 186 s block , not in other blocks
They didn’t have roller rockers this video is all bull dust
For those just coming to the comments you will see a sprinkling on my comments throughout. What the video is meant to be talking about here is the "197 X2" engine.
As an automotive technician of 40 years and someone rolled in Red Holden engines instead of sand pits as a child, I used to use the oil from the inside of Red engines for deodorant for 20 years :)
The 179 X2 is a different engine to the stock 179 and HP block revision. Only a very limited number where produced and many went in boats as part of the Mercruiser Marine engine line.
The X2 has X2 stamped on the rocker cover next the the twin Stomberg carbs and the big twin carb air filter housing. X2 was also prefixed into the engine number on the block so as not to be confused with the common 179. Vehicles fitted with the X2 engine also have the Red L shaped arrow with X2 either on the grill or as a decal at the rear.
They were as rare as hens teeth. I have only ever seen 3 genuine X2 engines in my life. One I worked on and serviced for a customer for 10 years, the other 2 were in boats including 1 in my fathers 23ft Caribean half cabin cruiser.
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It is difficult to find information on them but if you search "179 X2" you will find a few pictures. You can't mistake them :)
Many people created twin carb knock offs of the X2, but the lack of decals, air filter, and the lack of X2 stamped into the engine number is a give away :)
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It is the X2 engine that created the 179 legend, not the stock 179.
Sorry if I have burst anyone bubble with that :)
@@axle.australian.patriot what a cool storytelling comment from deodorant to the red engine 🤩 it is really hard to do videos on that rare stuff like the X2 engine. But great to have your knowledge here in the comments for all the enthusiasts :) Thanks 🙏
@@LegendaryRideCars It may as well have been deodorant. That old resin stained oil stays in your skin no matter how hard you wash lol
That is just my experience from too many years inside of those Red engines across the board lol
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If you search "179 X2" You will find a few poor pictures, but enough to see what they looked like.
The first one I ever seen (and only one not in a boat) was an older customer that had a factory standard HD X2 utility. Being brought up on Red Holden engines I had no idea what this thing was when I first seen it. Because of the decals on the chrome grill I thought it was LX2 at first. but the L is just an arrow around the X2.
When I was younger my father has a 23ft Caribean cruiser half cabin. I often got to see the engine while dad was working on it, with the twin carbs etc
It wasn't until I was introduced to the genuine X2 ute that I did some research so I know what I was doing when servicing and tuning this ute. That's when I discovered that the X2 was adopted by Mercruiser as a boat engine. Boat engines need a bit more power to weight, as well as typically run at a higher RPM when cruising, so the X2 was a good fit. Strong, little vibration (boats don't have rubber engine mounts) and capable of sustaining the higher RPM.
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That X2 ute was basically my introduction as a young person to many of the later Holden high performance engine builds for the Bathurst touring car championships.
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I never got to put my fingers inside of that x2 engine as it was kept immaculate :)
@@axle.australian.patriot and the next wow 🤩 love to read your comments. It’s like diving into a good old book :) have you thought on writing a book on that history of your own with that engines?
@@LegendaryRideCars Omg! I had 40 years worth of that stuff across Holden and Nissans. As a mechanic, performance tuner, performance engine builder, off road racing.
That's not counting boat racing lol
It would be a long book lol
I'm struggling to finish my series on computer programming at the moment lol
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I'm happy to offer up some fond past memories for forums like this :)
@@LegendaryRideCars P.S. thanks for the comments :)
Are you joking!! With valve seats that were cut straight into the casting cylinder head!! And a fibre cam timing gear!
I started my apprenticeship removing those cylinder head repairing sinking valves into the cast heads and stripped timing gears.
I can’t recall removing Falcon or valiant cylinder heads!
The Timing Gear was made from some fiberious crap to eliminate gear noise. Changing it to a steel/alloy Timing Gear fixed it and the subsequent Valves destroying themselves.
The timing gear on the early red motors was made of Bakealite (mans first plastic) they disinegrate at about 7000 rpm that's why you use Alloy it lasts for ever.
@@jonvanleuven8621 They went a fair way before the fibre timing gear packed it in. Simple to fix but being stranded on the road somewhere was the problem. Yella Terra head fixed everything else. I re-built a 161 motor that had gone a long way without water in it. Broken rings on every piston and a cracked piston. It had so much blow by you couldn’t keep the dip stick in. The head and everything else was OK. It went well after that. They were good motors. It went on a welder.
Yes straight into the head like every other engine of that era and well into.the 1990s even today on some engines . Works fine , mid 1970s in the US they got unleaded fuel and removed lead that is a lubricant that lubes valve guides and gives the valve seat a softer landing ( along with anti knock ) the US still used valve seats cut into cast iron only now induction hardened the seat area . As for the fiber timing gear , it's there for a dam good reason as any engine designer knows , metal gears transmit harmonic vibrations from crank harmonics to the cam and valve gear destroying it . Replacing any fiber gear with metal halves engine life at least , worst thing you can do . That's why belts or chains are used although chains are not much better that a gear.
@@MelodyMan69yeah nah it stops harmonic crank vibration that kills engines with metal gears .
Who remembers the Repco...or was it Redex reliability trials?
Redex. .....Gelignite Jack!
@neilf1059 I'd forgotten about Gelignite Jack... heh heh heh
186 was better
or even better the 186S was rather high performer for what it was. cheers.
Yes no. The 179 X2 was the engine that the video creator missed and mistook for the s4 which was the manual transmission model.
The X2 was a seriously over designed engine and carries the legend mark not the 179 stocker ;)
Yes, it was more powerful and had more torque. The 179 was the lead up to the mighty and revered 186.
I blew off tons of 186s even hot ones with my hot 179 powered EK ute.
Better at seperating the tops off pistons! Although any red could do that, just like making exhaust valves D shaped and overheating badly enough to destroy the fibre dizzy and camshaft gears. Yella terra heads got rich off of holden sixes.
The Red motors had a HP block with thicker cylinder walls. Dual downdraught Stromberg carburettors,X2 variety. In Australia these engines came in 138,149,161 ,179 ,186, cubic inches .Last one's were 173 and 202 cubic inches,achieved by longer crank stroke
Yeah, it's the 179 X2 engine that is meant to be addressed here :)
The 179 stockers were pretty ordinary.
The 138 cid was the grey motor which ended in EJ Holden the first Red motor was the 149 as you mentioned in the EH then 179 etc
@@axle.australian.patriot They wouldn't pull the skin of your mums rice pudding in stock form. They were gutless a slant 6 Valiant would cream one or the Falcon 170 cid 221 cid etc around the EH era 1964 ish
@Psittacine-pp5yd ,They actually had the 138 red in the Toranas 2250 LC
@Psittacine-pp5yd 161 and 186 came in HR Holden's
Brings back memory's my first road car was a 179 EH wagon 3 on the tree good old rocket 🤔🤔
@@jeffolley2712 wow, how long was that?
i dont think i saw any standard red motor valve rockers in this video. shots of v8's and after-market roller rockers.
Like any Holden red motor, the 179 wouldn't pull you out of bed.
High performance and red motor is the ultimate oxymoron.
& yet a humble 6 cylinder LJ Torana whipped gtho's at Bathurst in 72.
@@jamesburke9101 because it rained the entire Race and you're seriously comparing an XU1 engine to a 179 boat anchor ?
@@ChrisM-fz6xx you had your arses handed to you-again.
These are awesome motors to pull crazy horsepower with little modification,and it only got better with the 186 and 202ci engine's with triple Stromberg D150 carbs,a 12 port head and extractors standard! They could be bored out massively,and a common trick was reversing the pistons on the gudgeons,raising the redline by 3000rpm and reliable when done correctly! When maintained properly they would go for 500,000+ reliable kilometres and powered Holden vehicles in the Red form right through the 70's and early 80's,though the fuel crisis pollution changes did limit performance,it could be easily be disabled. Later Blue and Black generation's had alot more pollution control built-in to the design,making it not worth disabling as the carburettor ran extremely lean. The last variant, the Black engine was Fuel injected, which gave some of the snuffed out power back ran in the VK Commodore, replaced with a badge engineered RB30 from Nissan in the VL Commodore. Probably the biggest credit the Red motor has is that it opened up Australia to the masses with it's reliability, ending up powering Holden's for 21 years.
@@DekGT5mad wow 🤩 what a huge comment of great info. Thanks 🙏
Trivia. Nissan and GM developed the RB30/31 3.0l engine off of the success of the 179 X2 and Datsuns overhead cam L series engines.
So if you pull down a Nissan RB engine you will find GM stamped inside of it :P
@ Hahahah that’s crazy … so not completely white label
@@LegendaryRideCars Yeah the RB30 was a bit of a GM/Nissan fankenengine. Anyone like me who has ever had anything to do with the R30/31 skyline and the VL Commadore will know what Fankenengine means.
They go crazy hard and you can put a 50cent peice on the cam cover and the 50cent piece wont fall over :)
@@axle.australian.patriot that’s gorgeous!
Look at the Mini's giving them a push
And how did they go at Bathurst??, they were always beaten by the Ford cortina's or Mini Cooper S . The video highlighted how long it took the Australian motor industry to change inferior components for parts that should have been there years ago. Sad really that we, the public, kept on paying for sub standards or antiquated components,
The red motors were pretty crap from factory but with a carby swap, a bit of tuning and a V8 fan because they had a horrible cooling system they went as mad as the Chrysler valiants with almost twice the cu
@MaliqueGowley
Thanks for proving my point.
Yes me and my mates spent countless hours under the bonnet of their Holden. My mates LJ GTR 202 stage 4 yella Terra heads, comp piston & ring ,angry cam, big holley& 5 speed was the quickestcar l have been in. They were good days
The Holden red 6 still triumphed over 5plus litre ford or whatever else in 1972 at Bathurst. One of the worlds greatest tracks.Check it out
@paultennant2593
Yes, it did. A few things to note.
Wasn't a 179, Wasn't standard from the factory, Ian Tate was a brilliant engine builder, LJ was alot better at racing then a EH, the rain also helped that day on October 1st 1972, as it was still nearly 3 seconds a lap slower on a dry track in qualifying
@@jimmartin9704 Just note that it was the 179 X2 engine that was used here, not the stock 179. They are deferentially engineered engines.
I always wanted to try a 130 holden red six head on the 179 really small chambers but good for porting lots of meat , even a 138 red head . And before a keybord expert jumps in and days they are grey motors , no they are not the snallest red is the 130 red export LC Torana engine and 138 red is local red for the LC Torana.
@@JosephCowen-fz8vj do you had one of those red engines?
@LegendaryRideCars I worked for South Sydney council picking up abandoned cars in the 2000s , I ended up with 6 pantec's full of engines including one 130 red out of an Indonesian LC Torana export that must have made it back here and several 138 reds out of local LC Torana's and one 149 out of a Holden at Gulgong tip . Along with probably 20 Holden 253 s and 308/304 . But I sold them 15 odd years ago , I had those motors sitting in trucks and always wanted to mix and match heads to see what happens ? When I think of what I sold for stuff all it's sad, I even picked up an abandoned wb ute in Marrickville NSW, as anything V8/good six/rotary or motorbike I'd save from the Sims Metal at Mascot I pulled the WB Holden V8 it was a "B" (Brock) cast headed HDT group C 308 and T5 trans . They only made 500 "B" cast headed 5.0 s , I sold it for $3000 but it's a piece of history now . Yes I wish I still had the 130 red and 138 reds.
@LegendaryRideCars I worked for South Sydney council picking up abandoned cars in the 2000s , I ended up with 6 pantec's full of engines including one 130 red out of an Indonesian LC Torana export that must have made it back here and several 138 reds out of local LC Torana's and one 149 out of a Holden at Gulgong tip . Along with probably 20 Holden 253 s and 308/304 . But I sold them 15 odd years ago , I had those motors sitting in trucks and always wanted to mix and match heads to see what happens ? When I think of what I sold for stuff all it's sad, I even picked up an abandoned wb ute in Marrickville NSW, as anything V8/good six/rotary or motorbike I'd save from the Sims Metal at Mascot I pulled the WB Holden V8 it was a "B" (Brock) cast headed HDT group C 308 and T5 trans . They only made 500 "B" cast headed 5.0 s , I sold it for $3000 but it's a piece of history now . Yes I wish I still had the 130 red and 138 reds.
@LegendaryRideCars to answer your question I probably know were those red 130/138s are sitting rite now . Gulgong, NSW .
I had a customer with a 138 ss Torana. I never got to pull the engine down though as it was kept immaculate and didn't do big miles :)
I liked this engine back in the day we'd put a 149 head on it and a nice cam bigger carby end up with a tuff little engine
terrible narration, keeps repeating the same lines over and over
It is made for the thick Americans, as if they are not told over and over again, they will forget😆
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I would have said the 186/192. the 179 was good as a boat motor (houseboats) even the 161 was a better engine!
@@kenfowler1980 by which specs do you mean?
@@LegendaryRideCars just experience
179 steel forged crank like 149 . 161 low comp turd, 186 good , Holden never made a 192 that's a bored 186. Smallest red is the 130 in export LC Torana and 138 red in local LC Torana.
@@JosephCowen-fz8vj agreed 161 worked when worked! 186 was by far the best of the factory Red motors
@kenfowler1980 yes , that's rite , the 186 was always the preferred engine to do up . The 192 just bored 186. The 202 just went in the wrong direction. Bigger mains , etc not as good for all out performance.
Dominated Bathurst, LOL!. The EH S4 with the 179 was beaten by Fords 1500cc 4 cylinder Cortina at Bathurst. The S4 was not really much of a success in racing.
What about the holden red 6.. that beat a v8 gt falcon.. 😂 .. ford people like to forget about that day
@@bingysbackyard Thats not a 179 EH that this video is bullshitting about. Dominated Bathurst, LOL
@@bingysbackyard Nothing to with the subject of this video though. "The 179 that dominated Bathurst" LOL. Simple, it didnt.
The 6 that you are talking about was years later.
I had a HP179 bored to 192 with lots of go-fast goodies in an EK ute. It gave most V8s in 1976-77 a hiding. The V8 drivers couldn't understand how a quiet running EK ute (extractors, 2 inch single system and two big Lukey mufflers to keep it quiet) could beat their V8s, LOL.
179hp block like the 186s block, are both a good motor
@@radioactive4388 have you driven one?
@LegendaryRideCars have original eh ute
You're trying hard with your presentations, tho to be honest, you're way off the mark.
Wherever you're sourcing your information, the greater percentage of your "facts" simply aren't true.
The 'Red Engine's ' as they were known, certainly were a big step up from the 'grey motor ' it replaced.
Nevertheless it sure wasn't a Chrysler 225ci slant six motor in power.
I don't think you have done too well with your facts either lol
The engine that was meant to be talked about here is the 179 X2, which is not a stock red motor :)
@@axle.australian.patrioteven in x2 trim these 179’s were fairly ordinary….
Great little fun engine in a family car….
But soooo outclassed by EVERYONE on a racetrack
The Al generated narrator repeated repeated l hate Al
Had hydraulic tappets .get it right!!!!
@@allanbudge-sb9zj thanks for pointing that out.
Tappets and lifters are the same thing!
@@DekGT5mad No
For the benefit of non australian viewers.. We called this the "One Seven Nine" not the "One Seventy Nine". The 186 that followed was called the "One Eight Six".
225 slant 😊
Yes, that one from the 1960s is the most well known Slant-Six :)
The holden red motor did win at Bathurst but that was in 1972 in the smaller and more advanced Holden Torana and it was a larger 186 cubic inch with a triple carb set up. Apart from that it has been mostly V8s that have dominated Bathurst Ford and Holden both winning in the years that followed
WELL THESE GUYS GOT JACK SHIT RIGHT.
Malacias, dad's wog chariot left em for dead every time we lined up at traffic lights 🚦
I thought they had a 138 red motor in a few of the ej holden
@@timlavender6968 yes 🙌 especially the 130 in export versions, which was nearly the 138.
EJs had 138 grey motor. An underpowered slug.
And the worst part is showing sections that the red motor didn’t even have at that stage and parts that were clearly diesel
The red motors were purposely crap from factory but with a carby swap, a bit of tuning and a V8 fan because they had a horrible cooling system they went as the as the Chrysler valiants with almost twice the cu. I know because i have a HD holden and CL Valiant
My healthy 192 EH with the big [factory] radiator struggled to run warm enough.
I raced a HR for several years with stock radiators and never had an issue. Except for a very rusty block clogging the cores for a period.
A Holden red six would be lucky to give you a nose bleed on a hot day.
Racing them at Bathurst the rims couldn't stand the stresses and the centre of the rims would crack and break out.
@@nevillemills9517 from where you know that?
Pretty common knowledge among club racer's in Australia, alot of guy's would have custom made steel wheels to eliminate the issue as the lead up to this happening was foretold by the cars sudden instability that only the best drivers could recognise. Most would keep going after this warning thinking it was a sway bar issue,only to have the rim and tire depart company from the wheel centre. It wasn't so bad in the early drum brake day's,but when disc's came around alot more damage came about.
@@LegendaryRideCars common knowledge growing up in Australia with these cars.
In one of the races I actually saw one break apart. Not good when racing at speed.
@@nevillemills9517 oh that could be dangerous for the people who are watching the race?
OMG do some research before posting a video like this.
What utter B&llsh%t! I'm a Holden fan and I know the first Factory Hi performance Holden 6 was released in 1965 with the HD, the X2 option. The EH 179 was a normal standard 179 as found in the HD. The casting on the side of block didn't indicate the engine size, as it did for every other Red 6. It had "HP" cast in to it to fool the every day non-car nut into thinking it was a "High Performance" engine. The standard 6 cylinder in all EH's, bar Premier, was the 149. It had "149" cast in the side of the block. So the larger 179 had HP. This was to battle against Fords new "High Perfomance" 6's at the time the "Pursuit 6" at 170cu and the "Super Pursuit" 200cu. Just an every day Factory Marketing spin.
Yeah nah standard 179 is cast into block , HP is High Performance version . Plenty of picks of 179 cast in block on here .
Yeah, I thought the X2 block was different but a I cant recall what was stamped onto the side of the block. I do know the X2 engine had a different serial number prefix or something to the stock 179 blocks.
I only ever got to work on one genuine X2 and that was a long time back lol
I did see many 179 mocks though (which is why I was aware of the engine number difference.)
@@JosephCowen-fz8vj My Old Man had a 179 Bog standard, it had "HP" cast into the block. There was nothing high performance about it.
@michaelatkins5480 well then you know nothing about motors do you , HP blocks were higher nickel, forged cranks , better lift/duration cams and rejeted Strombergs ! Do some research before opening mouth !
@@JosephCowen-fz8vj My research was looking at the motor mate.
Can anyone tell me anything about a hp block red motor..I had one stamped hp and not 179 hp
@@kyro-w3s to my knowledge it's 179 HP
It is a 179 HP but it's cast HP and normal ones 179..
The first 308s were also stamped HP, I believe they were only fitted to the HG Broughams, both the 6 and the V8 featured the forged crank as opposed to the standard cast iron crank
@DavidP-ti6fu hmmm , no factory Holden V8 had a forged crank , the first Holden 308 with HP are super rare and only very early casting, 253 was first available then very soon 308. Both painted a moroon colour , the Brougham had 307 chev as Holden was not ready later Broughams had 253/308 early non pollution motors that you know are early by the oil filler tube going into the alloy timing cover , a year later that was removed but rite till the last 355 injected motors in 1997 they still had the alloy boss for the oil filler cast in the timing cover .
@@JosephCowen-fz8vj Something to note. The first 253 and 308 in the late 60s HG HT series is a different engine to what is used from 1970 HQ inwards. They are not interchangeable.
The early Red V8 was engineered with very tight tolerances across all bearing journals line bores and balancing. They also included cam chain tensioners and proper formed main seals instead of cords like the later engine.
Those early engines could rev their tops of and not break lol
Seems to have missed the HP block with the steel crank and the twin carby manifold. The red motor was legendary and continued to the blue 202 and black 202 in the VK commodore in 1984. Even fuel injected. Much success in its various incarnations on the race track. Ultimately beaten by crap unleaded fuel.
No twin carbs on an EH. The X2 was introduced on the HD, never heard of much race success with them either.
yep
@@alanpennykid133 I will have to stand corrected on that then.
@@jefftheaussie2225 Yeah, the X2 was a different engine. Still a 179 but a little over engineered with steel tighter machining tolerances, steel crank, cam and some head works as well as the twin carbs.
The X2 was adopted by Mercuiser (mecury) for their boat engines and later formed the base concept for the Nissan RB30 3.0l.
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So they did have historical significance :)
@ That’s interesting. I didn’t know about the RB30 connection but Holden’s engineers were right into designing and getting the best out of engines. This business about the heads being no good because the valve seats were cut straight into the parent metal is nonsense. All heads were like that till the advent of alloy heads. Hardened valve seats were not really used in cast heads till we got that rubbish unleaded petrol so you didn’t have to use flash lube. We had an EH sedan with the HP block. It had been a paddock basher by the time we got it and I presume it was its original motor.
I initially liked this video, but the same information is repeated four or five times in exactly the same way. You can stop by the 6 minute mark.
@@ytyrhspce55345 thanks for this feedback
At least ford went to cross flow head and overhead cam shafts .
Crap ai narrative and showing scenes of a Diesel engine whapma crap video
Yep, and we never called the "One Seventy Nines" they were "One SEVEN Nines"
This video has a lot of repetitive narration.
The trouble with this video is that they keep on repeating the same thing over and over again
So. Much. Repetition. 😂
The 179 x2 had had a hp block
I thought the block was beefed up as well. The X2 has a different engine number to the other 179.
X2 HD was 179 on the block. HP was 179 EH
Written and narrated by AI. So it's garbage!
@@stephenvelden295 written by our human script writer & narrated by one of our voice over actors, which even work for radio channels.
@@LegendaryRideCars Well they did a poor job!
@@stephenvelden295 could you give more on what should be improved please?
@@LegendaryRideCars The narrative is very repetitive ... to the point of being annoying, There were also some mistakes.
@@LegendaryRideCars Dont keep repeating the same info over and over again. And maybe fact check it. It did not dominate at Bathurst, the smaller Ford Cortinas beat them.
Why is a yank commenting on the 179 motor?. Australia 🇦🇺 149 was first I thought.
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dominated Bathurst? the highest finishing EH 179 finished TWENTY NINE LAPS behind the winning car
Do some research before you make a fool of yourself. The 1963 results were as follows: 1st place Harry Firth & Bob Jane - Ford Cortina GT - 130 laps. 2nd place Frank Morgan & Ralph Sach - Holden EH S4 - 129 laps. 3rd place Bruce McPhee & Graham Ryan - Ford Cortina GT - 129 laps. Hardly 29 LAPS behind the winner!
a 2.4L producing 100hp? even in the 60's that is weak
totally inaccurate it was the armstrong 500 for the first major race.
😂😂😂😂 you had to spend a whole lot of $$$$ for a 179 to smoke up the rear wheels..... .this video is complete bullshit thumbs down
One of the first good burnouts i saw as a kid, my brothers mate bought a bog stock LC torana with bone stock 179 and trimatic. Lit up the rear tyres no problem at all...
And A Ford Cortina Won '63 Bathurst
@@dilligaf2818 yes as said at the end of this video
Red motor not engine DH
No it didn’t, the Cortina and Mini dominated during that period. It’s a good car, but mate you’re way off.
a lot of repetitive fluff, repeated over and over....
What an uneducated person , there were multiple engines before 179 , and the the "grey " engine came in different colors .the 138 came next .
Eh.
repeat repeat repeat
You must be kidding
Holdens ,whilst they were very reliable, were never race cars
They were much smaller than the opposition both Chrysler and ford were bigger and more powerful
This story is all BS
What a load of rubbish. Engineering breakthroughs like a 7- bearing crankshaft and hydraulic lifters! Really? Oh by the way, this thing never won Bathurst, it got flogged by snake smaller 4 cylinder cars.
Typical no mention of the 179X2. Twin barrel stromberg carby, twin outlet cast iron headers, and I’m sure a low volume combustion chamber! Until last year one in a HD Holden was parked two doors down from my place, the X2 tick on the rear.
@@GregEyre-d1k thanks for mentioning
The X2 is actually what this video is meant to be about, but not many people would be aware of them.
@ yes you are right on that one. We care for quality and good information, but we have to take care for a good title too.
Bloody hell. 179 X2 had twin Stromberg carbs. As did 186X2 in early HRs. The 186S in late HRs had a 2 bbl Stromberg. As did 186S right through HK HT HG. 145hp. Probably more economical but the X2 was a bit better for outright power
@@ldnwholesale8552 "The 186S in late HRs had a 2 bbl Stromberg."
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I ran the 2 barrel manifold with a stromberg of of a 253 on My HX 202 One tonner and it roared pretty hard :)
You don’t know nothing s4 just had a double carb
S4 NEVER had twin carbs, just a single venturi stromberg with a bigger main jet !!
S4 had a normal 1 5/32 Stromberg with what became the 179 manual carby.
No forged steel crank I only heard of those variants being special HP was it
I'm a Ford guy i'm not sure
The narration is horrible to listen to. Not to mention some incorrect infomation in places.
Boat anchor, what a joke.
How boring is AI commentry
@@dilligaf2818 what do mean? Our VO is a real person. We don’t use AI for that. I hate that AI narrations. And they are encreasing a lot of :/
A quite confused, inaccurate and repetitive video prepared by those with a minimal knowledge of the actual subject matter.
Must be in some alternate universe….
I lived in Bathurst and can’t recall any domination from a 179 Holden …..
But made me laugh
They did make one in 1964 with a beefed up clutch and bigger drum brakes ….
But dominant? I don’t think so
Don’t get me wrong
The EH was a great car to drive
But NEVER a serious race car !!!
S4 was 63. Bigger clutch became 179 clutch 8.6" clutch. 149 was 8"
S4 had wider front drums and sintered metal linings. And a booster.
And while they won hundreds of races in modified form std no great shakes. I owned an EH S4 in 1972
when did it dominate Bathurst ! ? we went from 3 wins Cortina 4 cyl; to 1966 mini 4 cyl then to v8s.
Hey dads eh ute had a 2 speed power glide so your speaking crap
No, they were Hydramatics in the EH. Powerglides came later
@michaelatkins5480 new ffrom holden eh ute with 186 2 speed powerglide fell off the train on delivery landed on ti roof an had
@@cherylpotter9231 think you might find that ute was an HR. EH never came with a 186.
ALL EH autos were the old hydraslurp. No power slides until HD.
Repetitive, boring!
Leaking oil everywhere.....Fill the Oil and top up the fuel.
What you didn't maintain it !?
@@JosephCowen-fz8vj Just a casual observation, after checking the oil hundreds of times while working as a driveway attendant at the local servo. Most leaked around the head.oil everywhere....
@bigearz255 cork gaskets that people tighten down too much.
@@JosephCowen-fz8vj Yup :)
LOL. The 179 was total garbage.
How many X2 did you drive?
As a mechanic in the day I have only ever had one customer with one and only ever driven one and it did pretty darn well compared to it's stock sibings :)
they are good at throwing number 6 rod out of the block
Ours threw No 4!
No 1 went on mine,bent the alternator bracket and through the belt off
Oh My God ! Firstly, in 1963 Australia used Australian Pounds NOT Euros . Australia uses Dollars now NOT Euros . Europe didn't use Euros in 1963 , Euros didn't exist in 1963 . The EH was 1 Lap behind the Winning Ford Cortina , which won in 1963, 1964 and 1965 , Mini Cooper S won 1966 , Ford Falcon GT won 1967 . Holden won their first Bathurst in 1968 with a 327 Monaro which was a Rocket Ship compared to an EH . To say the EH dominated Bathurst is a Joke , Bob Jane in a Ford Cortina won by a full lap to 2nd placed EH , Ford Cortina came 3rd 3 seconds behind and closing on the EH , another Lap and Cortina would have been 1st and 2nd . I owned 2 EH s and the only way a 179 would hit 105 mph would be if you pushed it off a Cliff .327 Monaro had twice the power a 4 speed gearbox and top speed was 120mph .