How to make dilutions for perfumery (VISUAL DEMONSTRATION)
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- Опубліковано 13 лип 2024
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This is great. Waiting for my scale, perfumer's alcohol, and sample bottles (all expected to arrive this week). Then I will be ordering my raw materials. I have some essential oils on hand that I can practice with in making dilutions. Planning to start with escentric molecules ISO E Super and Ambroxan. Thank you for your content, it has helped a lot!
No problem, good luck with your perfumery!
THANK YOU! I could hug you! The frustration I've experienced listening to so many YT perfumers talk about this without ever once actually demonstrating has been unnerving. I so appreciated this! SUBBED!
Fantastic, glad I helped!
@@sammacer The other thing that isn't clear to me is that I see a lot of sample creations on yt, but...where does the alcohol come in? How do you actually get a bottle of perfume of any volume relative to the formulation?
@@sammacer Aha. If I am correct, the 'blend' of materials is _only_ the concentrate, _not_ the perfume; this is added to an amount of alcohol for edp or edt. This is what I had trouble understanding.
@@5wm562 That is one method. But the other method (which you use dilutions for) is to add the alcohol to raw materials first and then blend the diluted raw materials together second. This is used more for development than production
This is very very useful, I just watched your guide and and I am still super excited about making my first fragnance, good job ❤
Fantastic, good luck!
This video is extremely helpful!
This was really useful. Thank you very much
Hey Sam, love your content! How do you clean your glassware after making pre-dilutions? Apparently it's best practice to use deionised / demineralised water when rinsing beakers etc. What's your take on that, and what's your process generally for keeping your lab equipment clean?
Very helpful!
Just returning to delete my previous question and to say thank you for having answered it in another teaching! You are so thorough.
If you should ever offer a class, I’d love to sign up!
Have a great night, Sam 🙏🏼
Thanks! Just so happens that I’m currently working on a class so hopefully it will be ready soon
Sam you’re so brilliant. I had no idea that your Formulair App can calculate the various dilutions! You truly thought of everything, and I couldn’t be happier with the app and channel.
Hope you’ve been great and happy almost Spring 🎉
PS: I broke the cardinal rule and smelled a few oils undiluted. The carnation, linden blossom, orris root, ambrette seed, and something called emerald sea grass are so gorgeous… I felt like a little kid again, smelling things for the first time. Thanks for the inspiration, Sam. 🙏🏼🌷
I'm a beginner and just learning different things. The way you explained this made it easy to understand and now even I can dilute my essential oils with confidence. Thank you!❤
Also, would love app for Android, please consider. Thanks!
Fantastic! And don’t worry I’m working on it, it’s a difficult task to move it over though
@Sam Macer Oh nice, well no pressure, you already offer so much. Thanks again for all the information and lessons you provide.
Well explained!
Thanks :)
Thanks Sam! I imagined It scary. And It Is not! I want to do it😊
You can do it!
Guys, a tip here please... When we do formulas like : 1 drop of lavander at 10%, and 1 drop of sandalwood at 10%. The formula counts as already diluted? Lets, for exemple, imagine a formula with 5ml, half lavander at 10%, and half sandalwood at 10%. This 5 ml is already the perfume? Or for edt for exemple, i add another 45ml to reach 10% dilution 5 formula 45 alcohol? In the last wouldn't I end up with a 1% ( a 10% concentrated formula in another 10% diluition) dilution perfume? Something like eau fraiches?
Divide by 9! 🧐🤣. This is much easier. Thanks man.
You got it!
Yasss! Thnx! 🙏🏻🤘🏻
i still do not understand why it needs to divide by 9 eventhough i have learn from ur math formula vid 😭 may i ask why u divuded it with 9?
@@chaearu5042Because he is diluting down to 10%, this means he needs 9 parts alcohol to 1 part material. In order to find the measurement for 1 part material. The parts of alcohol to material is where the 9 comes from.
Im confused though… this seems to work out fine for the case show in the video at 3:59, but it doesn’t seem to work in general. For a very impractical example if you have 100g of alcohol, and want to know how much of a material to add to make a 20% dilution, the trick of dividing by 5 doesn’t seem to work, since 100/5=20, so by the process shown you would have a total final dilution that masses 120g, but 20% of 120 is 24, not 20. Instead if you write the equation 100=(0.8)x, where x is the total mass and solve for x, you get that the total mass of the dilution would be 125g, meaning you would need to add 125g-100g=25g of whatever material you are using.
Is this just a fundamental misunderstanding I had about dilutions? Or is something else going on?
Hi I'm from PAKISTAN your video is very helpful thanks 👍👍👍👍.
Thank you :)
How do I know the correct amount of drops for each essence in the final product? Thank you
Would diluting with DPG work too? Just to keep it a oil based material?
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Hello, Maybe Sam or someone can answer my questionIs. Is it good to mix Essential oils with ethanol alcohol 96%? And how long does it normally take for the diluting process to complete? Thanks
I can't download your app. Can you tell the % of each? Sorry, im new. Also, do you still have to follow the usage rate for fragrance oils. I want to make a 2oz/ 566g bottle
To what number i should devide my alcohol to get raw material of 0,1% and 0,01% please?
When making a perfume, do you use the solid vanillin in the formula or do you use a dilution? I’ve been confused about if/when you can use a diluted material for a fragrance, or if dilution is solely for the purpose of making materials more easy to smell for experimenting
I use dilutions for both. I would only use vanillin crystals directly for a large production batch.
How would I know if all the oils both syntethic and natural are safe to combine and to use?
Should we dilute all the essential oil?
Awesome
Thank you
Wondering if you have any recommendations for a travel case for dilution bottles or raw materials? Would a Pelican case work (I am concerned about reactivity with the foam interior)?
Unfortunately I don’t know but I’ve thought about it before and think it’s a good idea
If I want to make a perfume with a concentration of 20 percent of essence, does this dilution thing complicate me a little.¿ Could you enlighten me on how to do it? Thank you. Greetings from Argentina
Hey Sam!
Question:
I'm currently making dillutions for all my samples from perfumersworld. A few samples are already diluted 10% in DPG from perfumersworld
I decided to dilute my other materials in DPG (to make it uniform with my already diluted samples)
As this is just for evaluation and sample making purpose, I'm afraid the end result would smell different once I make it as a whole perfume in a bottle, as I possibly will be using other alcohol (not DPG).
Will the different alcohol make the smell different even if the materials are the same?
Thank you!
Hey! Good to hear you’re making dilutions. The end result will be different from DPG with regular alcohol since they have different evaporation profiles. I recommend diluting in Alcohol, just using DPG if it’s already been done for you.
@@sammacer ah thank you! I LITERALLY just post the same question on the discord. Thank you so much Sam!
@@sammacerhi Sam, how are you? Im a beginner but im not east to adopt words like diluting like that. What is that? I don't understand also your video. Can you make video how to dilute and what is the purpose of that? And how to make 3notes,how to do it? Thank you! I hope you get intouch with me!
Hey sam i have a question
Recently I’ve bought a mint essential oil on the internet, and when i got it the color was green.
I wonder why is it green because usually essential oils are pale yellow to clear in color but every essential oil i’ve got from that website had color!
Then i decided to dilute them but they don’t seem to blend with alcohol at all, after shaking them i get this very pale milky color and doesn’t even smell much. They mention that you can use the oils for skin and hair and stuff…
I wonder if u know what’s going on
Is it about rectification of essential oils?
It sounds like a fake to me
what is the "perfume alcohol" and where to get it?
Thank you for this helpful content. I have a question, should all oils be diluted or not? And if yes how can I know the optimal percentage? Thank you again 🌹🌹
I recommend diluting them to 10% and 1%, watch my other videos to understand why
Needless to say I’ll be paying for the app. 😅 I’m sure I’m overthinking the math, but I don’t trust myself! Thanks for the app 🤩👍🏽
***Can you tell us which raw materials need to be refrigerated here or in a short video? I think you may have mentioned it before but I’m not sure. Thanks so much!!***
As an easy rule of thumb; top notes, naturals and florals :)
@@sammacer gotcha, thanks!
Awe man, hahaha. I hope the app will come for us Samsung users and windows. :)
I’m working on it
@@sammacer Hells yeah, That's what I love to see and hear! I'm been low interested in created my own scent and seeing an app like this is a dream come true. Its just what the individuals desire. That's it!
What raw material did you use
Quick question do I have to put the alcohol first/as base or it doesn’t really matter?
Nope, it really doesn’t matter
Hey Sam thank you so much for this helpful video and I love all your videos ! My only question is why are you diving or multiplying by 9 to get 10% dilution is there a reason for this ?
Never mind I see you made a video on Perfume math 😊
It’s just the way the maths works; check out some videos on the maths of percentages
Can I do this for a homemade myrhh essential oil which has jojoba oil?
No it doesn’t work since jojoba oil doesn’t dissolve in alcohol.
Side note: Anyone know what is going on with hedione HC. Both suppliers no longer have it…anyone else having same issue?
Apparently there’s a global shortage at the moment
Bizarre, hopefully it is not a sign of a more nefarious shift in chemical production priorities.
Update..I switched to methyl dihydro jasmonate HC. This is amazing if anyone is looking for a replacement. Has a slight different smell, that I actually prefer, and seems to facilitate same performance parameters.
What alcohol do you use?
Hi,
How does the proccess change if you want to make a slightly more natural perfume, and use a carrier oil instead of alcohol? Thanks 🙂
Then you’re just making a fragranced oil … maybe I’m missing something in your question
@@romy1223 No, you can make a perfume with a carrier oil (and of course essential oils too) like almond oil or even olive oil instead of alcohol, and it'd be called natural perfume
@@TheMayatz I didn’t say fragrance oil I said a fragranced oil. Do you mean like the roller ball oils and are calling them “natural perfume”
Like technically scented water is a perfume because it’s just a scented liquid.
I have to be missing your point … not trying to be combative
@@romy1223 No, not like aromatherapy mixes, I meant switching the solvent from alcohol to a carrier oil and then adding base, head and heart notes and mixing it all together and then voi-la you have a perfume
Even though I think something's wrong in my proccess, 'cause I saw how Sam dillutes with alcohol and I do have a scale for the dillution, just not yet the dilluter itself...
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Hi Sam, can you make your formulair friendly for androids, that will really help lots, tqvm in advance
I am working on it but it’s a complicated task
@@sammacer Thank you Sam for your heartwork. THis is because over in Asia, most of us use Android vs Apple. Apple is 3 or 4X more expensive than Android.... I really hope I can use your FormulaAir soonest for my projects as a newbie in perfumery, thank you thank you thank you.
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What perfumers alcohol have you had success with in the past? Such as brands & if its denatured, 200 proof, or others. Thanks tons! US Viewer 👋🏿
what is considered as raw material? is EO also raw material? fragrance oil? or what?
Yes EOs are raw materials. Check out my video of fragrance oils where I explain the terms.
Why would you dilute specific EOs individually instead of just putting the ethanol in at the end?
I explain in my video on learning raw materials
Thank you Sam, but something here is not clear. If the alcohol is about 2/3 which weighs 7.722 in the scale, why did you now divide 7.722 by 9 ?
Check out my maths for perfumery dilutions video
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what is your opinion on some articles am reading which state that bad and cheap perfumes count on synthetic oils??
am not an expert , just scratching the surface and exploring my way
Cheap synthetics aren’t inherently bad, since they have a place in even the most expensive perfumes. However, there are many bad perfumes which consist solely of cheap synthetics.
thanks for the info :) @@sammacer
I've got one more question (concern) to ask if you don't mind (I'm really trying to learn as much as I can). I've watched BK scents' videos and it seems he insists on explaining formulas in PPT (parts per thousand) rather than with real tangible units, i.e. what the scale says. This doesn't doesn't (at least for me) make anything comprehensive more than complicates the process and it seems is just a fancy convention no one else uses _except_ to annotate formula calculation most newcomers learn and don't think in PPT terms. As you've demonstrated, it isn't _that_ complicated, and there only needs to be one method that anyone can adapt. Is PPT necessary to know, and if so, could you briefly make it make sense? Thanks.
I wouldn’t say it’s necessary but some sources to teach beginners to learn this way which is why it’s second nature to them. It’s especially relevant to people who make concentrate and add alcohol at then end since it’s quite intuitive in that context. The most important thing is that you understand any formula is a ratio with an end dilution and you can always convert between ppt and a given number of g at a given dilution because of this.
@@sammacer Thank you so much! Did a bit more research to see the importance of ppt and now have a better grasp. BTW about plastic pipettes: While making dilutes I thought why not make a test solution? Rather than discarding them straight away, in a separate beaker washed them down into a bit of alcohol (up to 10g). This way I can get an idea of how an accord or perfume might end up.
Could you please put more focus on dilutions
As dilution is done in different products like alchohol,DEP,DPG etc.
So, what is the suitable for what aroma chemical
And an extra info if you could share pls
My specific question is I have been advised to dilut aldihyde C9,10,11,12 and ambroxan in DEP to 10% is it correct method to give my fragrance a french perfume touch.....Hoping to get best advice from someone great perso like you.
Lots of thanks
Join the discord community Sam has put the link in the description
Different diluants are usually used to make shipping easier, for comparability with non alcoholic base formulations, or occasionally to dissolve things which are difficult in alcohol.
Diluting to 10% is a good idea, though I personally don’t see the need to use dep. I don’t think it will give any kind of “French touch”.
@@sammacer Thanks you so much Sam for sharing your valuable answer.
Hi Sam, i have purchased raw materials , the bottle reads like: Coumarin 10%. Does that mean it has been diluted to 10% ? If I were to dilute it, it will be as 0.1% or do I treat it as a 100% raw material to be diluted to 10% as shown in your vid? Tq in advance for your reply.
Yep it’s already been diluted so if you dilute it to 10% again it will become 1%
Tq Sam for the fast response, truly appreciate
Wow
I just do disaster mixing fragrance, I want to become perfumer
Hello. I understand that you have to dilute your materials, but if you have all the raw materials diluted to 10%, the final fragrance percentage will also be 10%. How is it then possible to achieve, for example, a 15% EDP?
I explain that in this video: ua-cam.com/video/wY7opnlgjJg/v-deo.htmlsi=Q-i7iEHrWQFJFmwu
@@sammacer Thank you for your answer!
No problem!
Sorry where it come from the 7.727? And why you divided by 9?
See my video on maths for perfumery
Do most raw materials need to be diluted?
For evaluation purposes I would say yes
@@sammacer but not necessary?
What is the paper filter used for? Thx
To filter out small particles like dust
@@sammacer Thanks
Is a 50% dilution half of the material and half base?
Yes, done in weight not volume :)
@@sammacer do you have any idea why Maltol Natural at least in my experience won’t dissolve in 190 proof alcohol? I did 5 grams of Vanillin, 5 grams of Maltol, and 10 grams of alcohol. After I blended everything there was still approximately about 5 grams of something I’m assuming thinking it was the maltol that was still floating in the solution. Even after I applied some heat.
Will the app be available for android users, please?
I’m working to have something available for windows users later this year, dates for Android will be planned after that
@sammacer Thank you 😊 And THANK YOU MILLIONS for brilliant quality raw materials!! Every single one I have bought from you is just wonderful 💚
Can i use dpg or dep for diluting?
You can but you should know why you’re using them
@@sammacer what's the advantages of using dog or dep over alcohol?
@@sammacer why we would use dpg or dep oils over alcohol for dilute?
Do we need to dilute the material for production or the dilution only for evaluation process when developing the fragrance?
Thank you for the all video, the dilution part makes me start in collecting chemistry tools and start diluting few EO
i really confused why u divide by 9? you bottle 30g, let say y want to fill 10g of it so the formula will be like that 10x10%=1 so 1 gram is your raw material and the rest 9g is you alcohol that will be easy and make sense to me
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So what happened if you add 2 to 3 raw materials, do you balance it ? And how do you balance it?.
Why are you adding more than 1 raw material? The purpose of this exercise is to dilute only 1 material down from 100% with alcohol, to a 10% version of it, to be used in blending.
That said, if you wanted to make a 10% dilution of an accord (say something with three or four materials), you'd first create your accord at 100%. Then follow the dilution instructions in this video to make the 10% dilution of it. I wouldn't be trying to blend the accord together AND make the dilution at the same time. Needlessly complicated.
Couldn’t put it better myself. And yes, balancing is a completely different topic :)
@@dhperfumes3524what are the consequences of doing that?
@@dhperfumes3524so basically accord is without any dilution. Its pure concentrated form of 2 or more raw materials.?
Completely confused why you divided by 9. Even after seeing your other video. ....
I’d recommend looking up videos on the maths of how percentages work