Which ALCOHOL do PERFUMERS use?
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Side note: in the US, you can sometimes find denatured alochol that's specifically made for skin contact in pharmacies next to the isopropyl alcohol.
Thanks for pointing this out!
I have never seen this. Do you know of brand names?
@@jamiewelch6779 me neither. Not in Alaska. 😢
OMG you're doing the world a favor with your content
great video !!! in depth explanation , I am fragrance collector and recently decided to make my own Frags , so your video is very helpful. thank you.
Thank you so much, this video was great and incredibly informative. Especially compared to almost every other video I've found on this topic
No problem 😊
Great informative video buddy ! God bless your aromatic ventures...Love from Singapore...
Highly informative. Best video I’ve watched on your page.
Glad you liked it :)
This video so educational helpful. I'm so glad I came across it before starting my DIY perfume projects! Thank you, Sam!
I really appreciate these guidelines
Glad they helped
Thank you again for making videos like this!
Thanks!
I love your channel. I'm a new subscriber. Your channel is what I have been looking for for weeks!
Fantastic video, very informative!
Thanks!
When I first started I got alot of the wrong alcohol. But knowing what you just shown is very useful.
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Very intresting, I going to start making my own perfume and this is great input thank you
Great breakdown, thanks
No problem
Really useful and informative video.
Thanks Sam learn a lot from your in puts
Thank you
Awesome information brother 👍👍👍👍👍
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Thank you for the great info, i took class for Reed diffuser. I still confiuse. the way they teach me is so simple and not so clear, i don't know why there is company who not profesional but brave open course.
Very helpful. Thank you!
Thanks!
Great video. Thank you so much.
Thank you
Hi, I am Diana from Africa. Thanks so much for the teaching in the best and safe way to use chemicals to mix with perfumes. Pls, can you teach me what chemicals mix to get fixative for perfumes. Thanks
great video, wish u made this video long time ago, i had to find all this out the hard way... not much info on perfumery.. but i was told, 0.1 to 5% water is the max to use in perfumery
Thank you! And yes, that sounds about right for water
Thank you for your informative and comprehendible videos. They've been a vital part of my perfumery learning process. Now, the process of filtration has come up. I'm not sure how it is done and what materials I need. I would certainly appreciate your input if you have the capacity and time. ✨✨Saludos from NYC.✨✨
Thank you! Good luck with your perfumery. You can check out the vlogs I did in December since I think I filter something there. I sell the funnels and filter paper on my online store if you need them!
@@sammacer Thank you much I'll look into that!
@@sammacer available in india..?
Hi I m from PAKISTAN your video is very helpful thanks 👍
@Sammacer besides everclear there is vodka that is 190proof blue star is one. So just tell viewers make sure drinking alcoholis at least 190proof.
Love your videos. This clarified a lot of misconceptions.
A question: what can i use to dilute a rare/expensive perfume to increase its volume?
Alcohol, but of course the concentration of fragrance will decrease
Everclear is super strong! Will FO mask that enough for a final product?? Are there any humectants we could sork in to help prevent that dry feeling from the alcohol?
Thank you very much for this. Please i will like you to talk about cosmetic perfume. Especially the one used in Detergents. Thank you
I have no experience with detergents, sorry!
Witch hazel maybe because it’s sub for alcohol to help preserve stuff.
I use perfumers alcohol and Gem Clear
Super informative, thank you for sharing your knowledge Sam. What about DPG? would you recomend DPG as an alcohol alternative? I know it is usted to disolve the raw materials, but is it ok to use only DPG along with your scent formula? Thanks.
If you only use DPG, it won’t have the correct evaporation profile for a perfume
Sam, love the videos! I was wondering which alcohol to use just last night and this was fantastic.
Side note: I had my discord hacked, I've secured it. How can I go about being back in the discord community?
Glad the video helped! And I would think you could just click the link to rejoin :)
@@sammacer it wasn't working. It didn't work on my wife's account either so I figured it was at the IP level.
Well, I have one additional question regarding alcohol. Here in Poland you can easily purchase called rectified 96% alcohol (ethanol). It was mentioned, that this alcohol does not contain any specific odors, it is used for perfume or paint dilutions, for cleaning and removing fat stains... It is very widely used, including cosmetic industry, so I think, it is one that could be used for perfume creating. What is your opinion?
It sounds like it could be okay
Thanks i love the information i received from this video.
Glad it helped
I’ve seen fractionized coconut oil come up when shopping for alcohol. Are you familiar with it? Would it replace alcohol? Also, some instructions call for glycerin, I’m guessing in the same way you suggest water here… is that something you use?
Thank you!
Thanks Same for good explanation! Do you have some video about the oil percentage for create de notes? For example base note have 3-4 or more types of oils...how do i know how much percentage from each should i use for create the note. Thanks and best regards!
Thank you, Sam, for what you offer. Do all oils mixed together expire in one time or end gradually?
Thanks! I would think they end gradually
Hi Sam i am new to your channel and your explanation was very clear and helpful. One question what is the highest percentage of essential oils i can include in my perfume? I use Base de parfum from Aroma Zone. Thanks
Eau de parfum generally has 15-20% essential oils
Great video as always. I have a question about what you use when you're dealing with an essential oil or other material that doesn't dissolve well in ethanol. What is your preferred solvent in those cases? Do you use absolutes to prevent this problem? This is obviously referring primarily to natural raw materials. Have you run into solubility issues with any synthetic aromatic chemicals you use frequently?
Everything I use dissolves in ethanol, what are you having trouble with?
@@sammacer I've had a few essential oils (most recently ylang-ylang, cypress, and Brazilian rosewood) that form a very fine (unfilterable with medium speed filter paper) cloudiness when combined with ethanol, particularly at around 10%. Musk ketone is only soluble to 1.8% in ethanol (I know you mentioned you don't personally use that). BB is supposed to be a better solvent for it. One of the big things that happened recently was when working with aldehyde C-12 Lauric where it just completely fell out of solution a few days after making my dilution series. After poking around on Base Notes a bit, it sounds like this isn't really a solubility issue per se but a problem that aldehydes in general, and C-12 lauric in particular, have if kept too concentrated or refrigerated where they form a solid trimer which can't be reversed. Very disappointing, but my supplier is replacing that which I got from them with a new lot.
Hi Sam. Thank you so much for incredible informative. Usually I have used carrier oils and want to switch to perfume alcohol. I saw 2 different bases and I’m really confused which one I should use. Could you please recommend which base I should start with? Thank you in advance 🙏🏻
1. Base De Parfum
- 75% -200 proof SDA 40-B (99.88% Ethanol + 0.12% g-butyl alcohol)
- 25% mix of 1,3 propanediol, cremophor RH 40, Glucam P-20 & DPG
- Bitrex 0.0006%
2. Perfume Alcohol
- Ethanol 99.88%
-T-butyl alcohol .12%
- Bitrex .0006%
I would not use either of these bases. Just use pure alcohol directly with your raw materials
@@sammacer It’s very hard to find pure alcohol in America. I saw some sugar cane alcohol but I really don’t know exactly how it works. BTW, if I add water in to alcohol, do I need to add preservative and DPG?
What do you think about glycerin in perfume?
I heard theres a push to probhibit the use of Everclear. Not because its hazardous but probably because the big wigs dont want competition.
I've tried nail polish remover mixed with oil-based perfume. The result was a smell but only the first 10 minutes were very diffuse. But after that, there was no smell left at all.😂
Hello Sam, what do you think about products from Vetiver?
I love you bruh finally someone just teaches us lol everyone else is so confusing
Thank you!
Very educative
Hi Sam, Is that possible you could share a video for Non-alcohol Perfume tutorial?
Not really since I only make alcoholic perfumes. Maybe one day?
Is edt, edp, Parfum, & extract concentrations determined by the amount of alcohol you add or are there more expensive oils that you can buy determine that? Thx & I am a new subscriber! ;)
Yep, it’s the just the amount of alcohol you add 😊
Thanks
Hi thanks for your video could you please tell me why I get milky water not crystal clear water when I mix perfume oil with alcohol and distilled water? Thanks for your tips
I use the Ethly alcohol you think safe
Please tell me
How can i get the best Perfume Alcohol
I asked Ensar if he uses 100% natural ingredients, he said "I prefer my botanicals natural, top-shelf artisanal, and my alcohol synthetic. " then he added "all of perfumery alcohol is synthetic, organic food grade ethanol is no good for perfumery unless you don't mind smelling like vodka and zero projection/lift off the skin....." what are your thoughts?!
Well I haven’t used it myself so I don’t have a good reference. I can’t imagine the lift off the skin is much different but I can certainly imagine there being off notes like vodka due to the different production process
Hey Sam, I own a perfume business and we mainly sell perfume oils. Now I want to also offer Arabian Perfumes in my business but at perfume oils. As such I am asking of you to share with me the process of removing the alcohol content from the perfume to produce perfume oils. Is that even possible?
I’m new to the world of perfumery , so I was wondering if 99% ethanol 1% bitrex composition is a good to go choice ? If anybody can give me advice please some alcohols are hard to get in The Netherlands
I saw in some video they are adding 2drops of 30ml or4% of fixative?? Can you tell me which fixative will be added 4% of the total weight of the perfume (apart from all other components)
What CAS number are we talking about? Is that CAS 64-17-5 for the SDA-40b?
When making a scent for candles or soaps (I think) its necessary to mix in an oil solvent. Do you know what is a good option? Something like grapeseed oil? Also, if you develop a formula with materials in ethanol can you expect similar effects in oil? (i guess it must be different)
I’m not too sure since I haven’t tried, but I think people usually put the fragrance concentrate directly into the product base
I've read that "organic" vegetable glycerin helps attach the oil and alcohol..
What do you think about using Grape Alcohol (190 Proof) or other Alcohols that are Wheat or Corn based? :)
Which perfumers oil do you recommend from Amazon?
What are the differences or benefits between perfumer’s alcohol and Everclear when making perfume oil dupes into sprayable format? Is there a difference in the perfume oil’s performance on the skin?
not ready depend on how you used as long it safe for skin
since many perfune products has recently been banned like Lillial and layral what could be the best altetrnatives for this two ?
I just bought some hand sanitizer grade, 190 proff, no methanol, and no fermentation smell 95% ethanol alchohol. Some reviewers say it's great for their perfumery so hopefully it goes well when I try to make molecule 02 by adding ambroxan to the alchohol.
Did the hand sanitizer grade work for you?
@@jewchainz613 yeah. It's good
Where did you get ambroxan
Ok so I would like to know a little more about the alcohol specifically the cas number for tsda sd40b (c2h5oh cas 16-17-5) is that the example you show/use? I can’t find cas 16-17-5 in my area, however I can find c2h5oh cas 64-17-5 which is also listed as cosmetic grade.
Thank you so much but pls where can I buy the denatured trade specific alcohol you just mentioned?
Can I use 200proof perfumers alcohol? They say its better than 190proof coz it has less water. Thanks.
Hey i have 2 questions:
1- if 95% is the right percentage for perfumery why on the perfume boxes they say it contains 80% vol alcohol i cant get it?
2- on the ingredients list of almost every fragrance on the market they mention water in the list, does it mean they actually add water to their perfume? And how is it so common?🤔
Can i use perfumers alcohol and sell the perfume i create? It is another youtuber she say that DPG is harmful and perfumers alcohol is not suitable. Can you answer this question?
Thanks 🔥🔥
Thanks!
Hi Sam, Thank you for you video, in my location, i can not find Perfumers Alcohol SDA 40-B 190 PROOF 95%, but i found Perfumers Alcohol SDA 40-B 200 PROOF (99.8% alcohol). I would like to ask you, Can I use 200 Proof instead of 109 Proof?
Hello! 96% ethanol is not available in my country.What should i do ?
I use for my perfume is ethanol 95%..
What about adding Propylene Glycol?
Interesting Question!
Can Room Sprays TECHNICALLY be used as Perfume? , i swear there are some Fancy room spray scents that just smell nicer then actual perfumes 😅
To Clarify: I Mean rooms sprays that are from actual "fragrance" Companies? , Places akin to The Bodyshop, Bathroom and body work ect.
Well, there’s nothing to stop you using them like that if it works for you. But I have a feeling that they have a different base and aren’t subject to the same safety restrictions so it might be dangerous to do so
Hey Sam!
Important question about scales and which to buy
I understand a milligram scale to be the best selection for me - I even found one to be only $80 USD! But, it has a weight limit of 50 grams. I think this is far too little and it will be easy for me to exceed the limit - I can probably blow on the scale with about as much strength. But I'm new to the hobby and need advice.
Realistically, what weight limit should I shoot for? What are the maximum weights you've worked with?
Also, I do not have another scale that is more precise than .1 grams.
Also - the scale was meant for jewelry and powder
Check out my most recent video - I cover scales in detail!
Can ask dis y dnt u use vegetable glycrine i think its best to use n if u use glycerine with da rubbing alchol it will nt be harsh to da skin
why not used beer & wine are whitelighting
Is adding water subjective when theres such a thing as the water partitioning effect with measurable octanol-water partitioning coefficient with certain components being able to benefit from water due to hydrophilic or hydrophobic natures to push more odor into the headspace as well having a fixative type of effect to extend certain type of notes due to reducing ethanol's vapor pressure, as well as as perfume polarity with measurable ingredient activity coefficient being increased in water as well (ex: Limonene one big example)?
From _Charles Sell - The Chemistry of Fragrances: From Perfumer to Consumer_
You’re right - these effects are very real and not subjective. But there are downsides to adding water too: it can cause reactions which you may not want and changing the evaporation rates based on polarity doesn’t necessarily give a better effect, it could also lead to a worse experience. So what I’m trying to say here is that if you want to add water you should test it for your specific blend to see if it yields an improvement rather than assume it will always improve it
I would find it interesting to know if you could increase volatility of base notes. To increase their projection.
Hey Sam, thanks for the informative video. Could you please help me with something? I am looking to buy Red Tobacco perfume by Mancera, however, when I googled the ingredient list for the perfume, the box only says "Alcohol". It is not pointed out if it's denatured alcohol (Alcohol denat) or not. I have a personal reason for never using perfumes with Ethanol alcohol that is not denatured. Would you be able to identify exactly if Mancera Red Tobacco contains Ethanol alcohol that is denatured or not?
You’ll have to check with the manufacturer, I wouldn’t know. Most perfumes use denatured alcohol.
Excellent video. Can I use 99% ethanol or pure ethanol to make perfumes without any other additives?
Yes
If a fragrance oil contain fixative then we need to use fixative also in ethanol?
What about using rum?
Good morning Sam,
Hope you are well.
I was wondering is the Alcohol: Ethyl Alcohol 95% 190proof is good to create perfume?
TY very much
And have a great day.
It should be okay as long as the other 5% contains nothing harmful
@@sammacer Thank you so much.
Does 100% Ethyl Alcohol exist or something nearer 100%?
How to measure DiProplyneGlycol Quantity in Perfume chemicals!?
How about hydroalcohol?
Question: can i use ethyl alcohol 96% pharma grade selled in Europe in any drugstore (used in hospitals to clean the skin before injections) and mix with Iso E super? Thank you very much.
It sounds like it should be okay
Hey, did it work out well? I'm from Portugal also and going to do the same.
Do you recommend using jojoba as a carrier oil for longevity or is it necessary?
No
“Grain alcohol “ in the southern USA we call that moon shine and if it doesn’t burn blue don’t drink it haha
Hello, Sir. Thank you for this video but I would like to know if I can use deodorized alcohol (which is 96% ethanol) in making perfumes and what makes it different from the other alcohol stated here in your video? Thank you.
Also I know this is out of topic, but what can you recommend as an effective fixative and moisturizer (if ever you are using one in your products) for perfumes? I have seen a lot of articles about DPG but then comments from perfumers said it is a big no for perfumes so I'm confused to what to use. I hope you can help me.
Thnks for this video
Most welcome
Everclear 🤯
Would you recommend the fixative Tonalide or Galaxolide for perfumes?
They are widely used base notes, and yes, I guess they might be considered fixatives too
Any brand use TSDA 39-C , so for the best 39-C or 40-B ?
Where did you purchase the SD Alcohol 40B ?
looking to make my own cologne, I'm from the UK and don't have a licence to buy TSDA SD-40B, if the next best is perfumer's alcohol then what is the best brand?
I used to use Mistral and I’ve never had any issues
What about Benzyl Alcohol?
Hello and thanks for this great and informative video ! I have Denatured Ethanol 200 Proof and has the SDA 40B written on the bottle, and not TSDA? Any difference ? Is this an alcohol you would recommend ? It also says Perfumery alcohol liquid written on the bottle. I mostly plan in making some room sprays but perhaps some perfume in the future. Thanks again !
SDA40B is a subclass of TSDA and I would recommend it. Should be fine for room sprays too although I don’t know much about their formulation
If I use perfumers alcohol do I have to add benzyl benzoate and dpg?
No
Hi Sam, is Ethanol 99.8% ok? I have managed to get SDA 1 Licence in UK, however not sure if that is similar to SD40B? as I cant find any supplier who provides the SDA40B variant. if you know of any supplier in UK please let us know
Yes TDSA 1 is the equivalent in the UK so use that :)
Can you let us know where you get your tsda SD 40b ? I’m trying to find some. Thank you so much. Great video.
I always use different suppliers so can’t recommend one, and in the UK it’s a little different, actually called TSDA-1 here, I forgot to mention in the video
I always use different suppliers so can’t recommend one, and in the UK it’s a little different, actually called TSDA-1 here, I forgot to mention in the video