Does It Matter If MLK Jr Was A Christian?
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- Опубліковано 12 бер 2024
- The team discusses a recent article by Justin Gibboney about John MacArthur claiming that Martin Luther King Jr was not a Christian? Does it matter and how do we determine if someone is truly a believer? Should we even try?
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"...if you affirm MLK then it puts some expectation on you for contemporary action. If you affirm MLK then you have to admit that America has deeply sinful things in its past that continues into the present. if you agree with MLK then you can't just turn a blind eye to things like poverty, racism, war, and other things that he spoke about regularly..."
- Skye Jethani
EDIT: "...if you agree with [#JESUS] then you can't just turn a blind eye to things like poverty, racism, war, and other things that he spoke about regularly..." 🙌✝
Exactly 💯❤❤❤
Yes, it is hard to believe that true Christians could turn a blind eye to so much injustice in society. But, Christians are only human, and make mistakes in life. Christians sin too. Just because Christians are not good Samaritans, as the Bible calls us to be, does not mean they are lost. Believe it or not, there are good and bad Christians. These bad Christians, according to Scripture, will lose rewards in heaven, but the Scripture is still clear that even those who are saved, still stumble and fall.
@@barbwire7449 "Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you."
-Jesus Christ (Matthew 7:1)
"Strength to Love", a book by King, is the most Christian book I have ever read, and no one is referencing this most Christian of books. That's because none of these people actually read the things that King wrote, outside of college!
@@hidden-treasures "In our quest to make neighborly love a reality, we have, in addition to the inspiring example of the good Samaritan, the magnanimous life of our #Christ to guide us. His altruism was universal, for he thought of all men, even publicans, and sinners, as brothers. His altruism was dangerous, for he willingly traveled hazardous roads in a cause he knew was right. His altruism was excessive, for he chose to die on #Calvary, history’s most magnificent expression of obedience to the unenforceable."
- from "On Being a Good Neighbor (sermon)" | Strength To Love by Martin Luther King Jr. (1963) | Chapter 3
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John MacArthur’s Grace Community Church in Southern California has a history of failing to report, and actually covering up, child sexual abuse by its members and staff. Worse, John MacArthur publicly shamed and called for the shunning of the wife of the staff member, who is currently serving a 21 years to life sentence for aggravated sexual abuse of children. The wife obtained a restraining order against her husband, who taught music and Bible studies to children at the church. The wife reported some of the abuse in their home, to church elders. Not only did they not report the abuse, they ordered her to drop the restraining order and get back together with her abusive husband. It was when she refused, that the church shamed and shunned her.
John MacArthur is hardly a model Christian. He really has no authority to be judging who is and who is not a “true Christian.” He preaches about how to answer the question of the problem of evil, while tolerating and perpetuating the evil that happens under his own roof. John MacArthur is a hypocrite and needs to be called out for aiding and abetting sex offenders. His opinion of other Christians, especially ones who aren’t around to defend themselves, means nothing to me. It shouldn’t matter to you either.
Wow... I believe all you stated. After all the sex crap coming out in too many churches, why would John McArthur even go there. So sad. Why really why? Would he even write an article like that.. good grief
What about public schools?
@@robbower5489 what about public schools?
@@bobbobberson5627 MLK’s “track record” or allegations of him sleeping around, is not the point. John MacArthur protected child predators. There is no amount of excusing or “whatabout-isms” that can justify that level of hypocrisy. Churches in California, are not exempt from reporting allegations of sexual misconduct. John MacArthur’s church knowingly failed to report the sex abuse to the relevant authorities. That’s a crime in California. For John MacArthur to disparage MLK’s reputation while not even acknowledging his own sin of protecting the predators within his own congregation, is evil. There’s a special place in Hell for church leaders who abuse children or look the other way when it’s happening under their own roof. I’m not claiming that MLK was perfect. I’m making it clear that John MacArthur has no room to talk.
@@robbower5489 yeah. What about public schools? Is there a point here?
John MacArthur doesn't have the right to judge anyone else's Christianity
John 7:24 actually calls Christians to judge. Of course, it calls us to righteously judge, not blindly do so.
Macarthur was asked a question. He answered it correctly. MLK denied the deity of Christ and the resurrection. It is documented. He never recanted. Macarthur does not have to judge MLK. The Bible has already accomplished the judging (1 Cor 15: 1-4) ( Romans 10: 9). Those who deny the resurrection are not saved, and cannot possibly be Christian. If Jesus did not rise from the dead, Christians are dead in a false Messiah, and that would mean Christianity is false, and is relegated to just another false religion.
@@patrickc3419wasn't talking about people
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I’m sorry; I am only seeing your comment now. What, specifically, are you saying was ‘not talking about people’?
@@patrickc3419 read the verse in context you will realize that he wasn't talking about judging people
Sounds like MacArthur is desperately clinging to his diminishing relevance.
Lol okay 🤣
@captainjetsparrow
MacArthur CLEARLY verbally attacked the people protesting the nazis at Charlottesville but mitigated and exonerated the alt right, white nationalists, and kkk who murdered Heather Hyer.
MacArthur attacked George Flyod's family, and constantly attacks the black family just like James White and other racist evangelicals.
MacArthur also defended the institution of slavery in a weird slick pro confederate way, like a lot of older reformed preachers do.
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And it's true. Who cares about his constant racist views ??
@@USMC-cv5sd
Good morning.
Are you willing to share specifically what actions & phrases John MacArthur has said that were racist?
He has long been one of my 5 favorite contemporary theologians, and I just want to find out what specifics he said, so I can either call him to repent, or no longer follow and read him.
Thanks!
(Now, if you were speaking of, for instance, Doug Wilson, yes, I completely disavow him.)
@@patrickc3419
Start by watching the video"The most racist thing MacArthur has ever said."
And John teaches a hyper Lordship salvation message, which is absolutely different from Spurgeon.
MacArthur CLEARLY verbally attacked the people protesting the nazis at Charlottesville but mitigated and exonerated the alt right, white nationalists, and kkk who murdered Heather Hyer.
MacArthur attacked George Flyod's family, and constantly attacks the black family just like James White and other racist evangelicals.
MacArthur also defended the institution of slavery in a weird slick pro confederate way, like a lot of older reformed preachers do.
The question to me is why do they NOT want MLK to be a Christian?!? 🤔
Voddie Baucham questioned his faith, if that tells you anything
@impalaman9707 it tells me that they have a black theologian friend.
@@averageuser4367 Good. I'm glad you didn't say "uncle tom"
IMHO, this seems to be "impeaching the witness" - a legal tactic. A way to secure the base and protect the echo chamber, evangelicalism in this case... from the "woke" revolution. If we can successfully call into question MLK's christian credentials, then we have people stop listening to his (social) message. Regardless of how aligned it may be with Jesus' teachings.
Disclaimer: From my research, I gently lean (without being dogmatic) in the direction that MLK wasn't a believer in Jesus Christ.
On a related note...
There are many things that MacArthur stands for, that I resonate with, Christian Nationalism for example. But he also has some views on slavery and America's past that I find quite troubling. People can watch his UA-cam clip titled "Slavery and True Liberty (John MacArthur)" where he draws parallels between the master-slave, parent-child and husband-wife relationships. Seems to me that JMAC and MLK are poles apart in their philosophies regarding society.
I'd be curious to hear the Holy Post's take on JMac's views.
Why do you assume "they" do not want MLK to be a Christian? That's one heck of a reach, accusation-wise, friend.
I was disciples by MacArthur, but have long disagreed with him on this. And his false claim that “there is no pandemic” during Covid. He lost me there too.
What does the pandemic have to do with the Christian Faith? Get lost dude
When people are dying from it and you verbally deny it like he did and defy government regulations based on the opposite of what Roman's 13 says, I would say the pandemic does have something to do with it. MacArthur is a great Bible teacher, but he is still human and not always right.
@@duanemiller6678well AFAIK he didn't really deny it, he just disagreed on it's severity and the reactions on it. I am not sure how it is in the US, but at least here in Europe people generally seem to agree that the reactions to COVID have at least partially gone too far, and much of Europe didn't even went as far as California did.
But any of that isn't really important anyway, his biblical point however was true. He said to come together as a church is a biblical command, so we ought to follow it. He said this would be true even if we had the black death or something. So in this case two biblical concepts apply, for one "We must obey God rather than men.", which is given if you are forbidden to assemble as a church. This alone does justify this actions. And also that the state has no authority of churchly matters. And also remember that they even won ther law suits, so basically even based on stately authority they were in the right.
@@lal12
MacArthur CLEARLY verbally attacked the people protesting the nazis at Charlottesville but mitigated and exonerated the alt right, white nationalists, and kkk who murdered Heather Hyer.
MacArthur attacked George Flyod's family, and constantly attacks the black family just like James White and other racist evangelicals.
MacArthur also defended the institution of slavery in a weird slick pro confederate way, like a lot of older reformed preachers do.
@@SpiritDetective-jd7wx
What does your mother have to do with being a woman ?
Seems like most of those making this argument are less concerned about his theology and orthopraxy, but more interested in delegitimizing his accomplishments that undermined white supremacy in the country. It easier to undermine a movement and its message when you can attack it sideways through irrelevant character assassination.
The civil rights movement was astroturfed by the US government and the results are disaster.
I don't see where anyone, including Pastor Macarthur, has committed character assassination against MLK. I do not know of any video on Utube that has attacked Dr King's great accomplishments in his short life. Like Macarthur, theologians and pastors on utube, such as Pastor Virgil Walker, and G3 Ministries, have challenged MLK's Biblical doctrines, but are quick to praise his lifetime accomplishments. If Dr. King was a false Christian and teacher, he should be exposed.
The only negative comments, other than unbiblical teachings, that other pastors have made, relate to MLK's adulterous affairs, which have been well documented by Rev. Abernathy, MLK's closest and most trusted friend and advisor, in his book. If the comments regarding adultery are true, then it is not character assassination. Rev. Abernathy has nothing to gain, and everything to lose (including his reputation) by telling lies on such a great historic figure as Dr. King.
Then you're not paying attention. Some of MLK's biggest critics are black pastors.
The Trinity of the last fifteen hundred years is a detailed, complicated confession which was never a requirement of discipleship in scripture and at some points even disagrees with scripture; hence the need for centuries of development by theological gatherings and it's enforcement by mass torture, murder and propaganda. Simply sticking with what we read and saying some aspects of it are a mystery has gotten many believers murdered by fellow believers trying to support the unity of their theocracies-which is the real reason for smearing the nonconforming. King fought the white nationalist, pseudo-christian, apartheid empire and therefore it's most conservative supporters to this day must oppose the idea of his legitimacy as a Christian to their followers: he disproves their worldly kingdom, heritage and history as being Christian, and shows it to be the opposite, shattering their theocracy.
The founders of America weren't Christians, based not only on things like denying scripture, and being deists, but on actions like genocide, mass rape, torture and murder. They did not produce a theocracy/Christian nation as the Constitution clearly shows, but teaching this truth draws the solid opposition of conservative American Christendom like MacArthur.
Holy Post is a treasure. Thanks for all you do.
Amen
MacArthur CLEARLY verbally attacked the people protesting the nazis at Charlottesville but mitigated and exonerated the alt right, white nationalists, and kkk who murdered Heather Hyer.
MacArthur attacked George Flyod's family, and constantly attacks the black family just like James White and other racist evangelicals.
MacArthur also defended the institution of slavery in a weird slick pro confederate way, like a lot of older reformed preachers do.
You can conjure up as many words as you want and try to smooth talk heresy, but you cannot deny the deity of Christ and be a Christian. You cannot deny the resurrection and be a Christian. This is definitional, not some abstract mumbo jumbo. If you deny these things, then you have washed away the suffering of Christ and every believer thereafter in vain. Do so at your own peril.
@@Kyle-xb1kj True, Amen. But none of that is what I said. Jesus is clearly God made flesh and died and rose again for our sins according to scripture. The numerous councils and pronouncements refining the confession of the trinity are not infallible, considering it took so many of them to produce the doctrine few Christians actually know in its entirety.
@@Kyle-xb1kj Yes, and those who deny the deity of Christ and deny the resurrection are quick to lead astray those who are searching for the truth. That is exactly what MLK did to his congregation and others who follow him even today. Shocking that many on this site cannot see this simple truth.
Pretty much everything that was said and this: “Examine yourselves, to see whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Or do you not realize this about yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?-unless indeed you fail to meet the test! I hope you will find out that we have not failed the test. But we pray to God that you may not do wrong-not that we may appear to have met the test, but that you may do what is right, though we may seem to have failed. For we cannot do anything against the truth, but only for the truth. For we are glad when we are weak and you are strong. Your restoration is what we pray for.”
2 Corinthians 13:5-9
WAIT, WAIT, WAIT!!! The belief in the Trinity is NOT evidence of salvation. You don't have to believe in the Trinity. "Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus the anointed one, whom you have sent." John 17:3 The OT, Jesus, nor any of NT writer makes a claim that belief in the Trinity is a necessary part of salvation. Folks get so much in their doctrines that their doctrines start to become actual scripture. It's not!. And before any starts arguing on why the Trinity is true please understand that that is a different point that I'm not making. My point is it is NOT an essential belief that is a factor for salvation.
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I give people the benefit of the doubt when it comes to faith. I even think a lot of health and wealth gospel are genuine Christians who are off-balance in doctrine. Moreover, I doubt one errant doctrine or ideas will kick you out. I agree the Fruits of the Spirit are the evidence of a changed life, so when it comes to someone like Trump, I suggest to Christians to read Galatians 5 which juxtaposes the deeds of the flesh vs. the fruits of the Spirit. Then, they need to look at which of those Trump displays the most.
@SaintSteven67 Galatians 5. That’s one heavy stuff. I really have to think of that.
So Trump? Fruit of the Spirit.
Love check. The man is full of love for people. Nailed it.
Joy - Trump is one of the most joyful person ever. He’s full of the Spirit there. For sure.
Peace, oh yeah. The guy has the most peaceful demeanor under all the 91 court cases. Fani Willis getting rich via her boyfriend under the guise of “getting Trump”. Totally a demonstration of Peace.
Patience - oh yeah. Once again. He’s waiting 8 months to take over the reigns. The Adult will be back in charge. Totally patient.
Kindness- oh yeah. The guy has made so many people wealthy. He’s the ultimate kind man. Helping so many others. A mentor to many.
Goodness- again his philanthropy. Top notch. A really good guy.
Faithfulness - the man is faithful to the governing system he found himself in. Just an awesome faithful guy.
Gentleness - wow. The time he spends with his family. Never imbibing in alcohol and so he’s always present with those he’s with. A gentle giant.
And Self-control. I mentioned it already. The man has no vices. He doesn’t drink, smoke or do drugs.
Dang. He’s like the apostle Paul himself.
Good call!
The Bible is clear that we are saved by the Gospel (! Cor 15: 1-4) (Romans 10: 9), by believing in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ. We can disagree about many Biblical doctrines, including the Trinity; that is why there are so many denominations.
But, we cannot be wrong about the path to salvation. If we are, our eternal destiny is at stake, and we are already condemned (John 3: 18) "...those who do not believe are condemned already". MLK did not believe in the Gospel that Jesus, Paul, and the disciples preached, yet called himself a "Christian".
@@barbwire7449 how can someone disagree with the Holy Spirit?
Denominations are just men creating businesses under the guise that they are “doing the Lord’s work”
The Lord doesn’t work through any denomination.
@@michaelward7051 I agree. Jesus is the door, not the Catholic church, Protestant church, or any other institution (John 10: 9).
They is everyone ignoring King's Christian books he wrote after college? Like "Strength to Love", my favorite, and a decidedly Christian book? The only possible answer is racism, and a desire to discredit the entire Civil Rights movement!
The stunned silence at 0:51-0:55 🤣
It's a really good point, if made a little abruptly. Does a good job rebuking some off the less overt motivations of why people might deny Rev. King's Christianity.
"DisGrace to You" is now my title for John MacAuthor's "ministry". The "Good Samaritan was a communist too, apparently.
Has John MacArthur questioned Trump’s faith?
Trump is not an ordained Baptist preacher. He is not obligated to teach the truths of the Bible, that we are saved by believing in the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ (1 Cor 15: 1-4) (Romans 10: 9). MLK never once preached the Gospel of Paul, Jesus, or the disciples, that assured Christians of eternal life. MLK was more concerned with the temporary social and economic equality (distribution of wealth) of his flock while on earth than their eternal life in heaven. Otherwise, he would have taught the correct path to salvation.
Does it matter? Jesus said, " I am the door. I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." Since King taught that Jesus was a fraud, was not deity, was not the Son of God, did not rise from the grave, and was not of virgin birth, he misled his flock and led them astray from the true Jesus and the true Gospel of Scripture. For an ordained Minister of God, it does not get any worse. Ask people in hell if the true gospel matters.
@@barbwire7449"MLK was more concerned with tomporary social and economic equality"
🤔 Maybe he was concerned with people being hung from trees! People living in abject poverty! Being redlined for the color of their skin! No need to feed the hungry, clothed the naked, welcome the stranger or vist the prisoner... just preach the gospel to them..Nah no need for concern Just believe the gospel and sit around and wait to a victim of Hate! America will come around sooner or later right?
It's not like people had to protest or anything for change right?
I read his books, especially "Strength to Love", it is the most Christian book I've ever read, other than the Bible itself. @@barbwire7449
"I greatly admire your Christ.....but His followers are so unlike Him.".........Mahatma Ghandi. THIS is why I totally rejected any specific denomination many years ago, and have such disdain for so many American "pastors".....constantly claiming other denominations aren't as "Christian" as they are, and here we have a false prophet attacking a man like Dr. King, who helped make the world a much better place, and in so many ways exemplified Christ's teachings and mandates.
Fake quote
@@michaelward1341 The quote is from a rather old book, Mr. Ghandi, The Man by Millie Polak. Not fake.
Ghandi used to “test” himself w his niece. Had to build up that chi I guess.
Definitely not a Christian.
@@granvillesimmons6033 What page is it supposedly on? Ghandi talks about similar topics in chapter 3, but I don't see this quote.
@@michaelward1341 I read the book ages ago, and I do not own a copy, but it is there. You can find references to the quote online, I am sure. But, the question is, do you believe that American Christians today, spewing out the hate and judgment on others that they do, are "Christlike"? I think that was rather Ghandi's point.
"Martin Luther King is a voice, a vision and a way. I call upon every Jew to harken to his voice, to share his vision, to follow in his way. The whole future of America will depend upon the impact and influence of Dr. King."
- Rabbi Abraham Joshua Heschel (Rabbinical Assembly 1968)
Nobody denies MLK was a great man and a great leader, but he claimed to be a Christian and never once preached the true Gospel of Christ (1 Cor 15: 1-4) (Romans 10: 9). . He denied the deity of Christ and resurrection. The whole of Christianity is based on the resurrection of Christ. If Christ did not rise from the grave, then Christians will also not be raised from the dead. It would mean that all Christians are lost, and Christ died in vain. Christianity would be relegated to just another false religion. MLK taught a false religion. Macarthur simply told the truth. MLK was not a Christian.
Hello @@barbwire7449 . I urge you to consider reading "Strength to Love" by Reverend Doctor Martin Luther King Jr. It is a collection of sermons by the Black American Christ follower which explains his faithful convictions in terms of the conditions and problems of contemporary society (1960s and sadly relevant today).
Have a joyful weekend.
@@barbwire7449
"In our quest to make neighborly love a reality, we have, in addition to the inspiring example of the good Samaritan, the magnanimous life of our #Christ to guide us. His altruism was universal, for he thought of all men, even publicans, and sinners, as brothers. His altruism was dangerous, for he willingly traveled hazardous roads in a cause he knew was right. His altruism was excessive, for he chose to die on #Calvary, history’s most magnificent expression of obedience to the unenforceable."
- from "On Being a Good Neighbor (sermon)" | Strength To Love by Martin Luther King Jr. (1963) | Chapter 3
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@@2serve4Christ That is not what the Bible teaches as a path to salvation. Even many atheists live a good and decent life, but they are not saved. That is the problem with false teachers. They teach what itching ears want to hear. For example, Joel osteen teaches the "prosperity gospel", and MLK taught the "social gospel". Neither of these Gospels were taught by Paul, Jesus, or any other disciple or writer of the Bible.
The question asked was, "is MLK a Christian". The answer is an emphatic "no". MLK taught the same principles as Plato and other Greek philosophers, but MLK was an ordained minister and was obligated to preach the truth of the Bible. He did not.
There were many real Christians in his flock that he led away from the true Jesus, the Son of God, who died in our place on the cross. This is not the Jesus MLK spoke of. Does it matter? yes!!!! Because it was MLK's solemn responsibility (if he was a Christian) to inform his flock of the true way to eternal life.
King was more interested in the temporary economic equity and social life of those here on earth than their eternal life in heaven. Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father except thru me." King taught that Jesus was a fraud, not the Son of God, and was not resurrected.
Trump also claims to be a Christian. Maybe, maybe not. But, Trump is not an ordained preacher, and it is not his duty to shepherd a flock to the truth.
@barbwire7449 I understand we disagree. I am so glad that neither of us is the judge of Rev King or one another. Blessings and I am 🛐4U.
It's my understanding that Martin Luther King Jr. attended the Unitarian (now Unitarian Universalist) church while he was earning his doctorate in Boston and he rejoined the Baptist Church when he returned to the South to lead the civil rights movement.
MLK denied the deity and resurrection of Christ in his earlier theology. There is documented proof of this in his sermons, especially his Easter sermons. Although MLK returned to his Baptist roots, there is no documented evidence he ever recanted his earlier theology or ever once preached the Gospel of Jesus Christ (1 Cor 15: 1-4) (Romans 10: 9). MLK taught the social and economic gospel. He used the Bible to reach the social outcast who had roots in Christianity. It was extremely effective. There are many theologians who have investigated MLK, and not one of them can produce any evidence that he was a true Christian. His immorality also supports the fact that he was not a follower of Christ.
@@barbwire7449 Thanks for the reply. These are very interesting comments that I had not heard before.
While I also doubt the divinity and resurrection of Jesus, I consider myself a fundamentalist Christian.
Regarding the divinity of Christ, many scholars claim that Christ did not claim to be divine. It was His early followers who concluded that His life, death, and reported resurrection fulfilled the prophecies in the scriptures that he was the Messiah.
Regarding the resurrection, I don't find it necessary to believe in a resuscitated human body to be a Christian. I believe Jesus continues to live through those who gather in His name to practice and spread His teachings. As the saying goes, "The body of Christ is the church." To paraphrase the American folk song "The Balad of Joe Hill", Says I but Joe, you're ten years dead. I never died, said he. Where working men defend their rights, that's where you'll find Joe Hill. So I believe where two or more gather in Jesus' name to "do for the least of these," that's where you'll find JC.
Regarding my fundamentalism, I believe that the fundamental teaching of Christ and His church is to love one another and take care of the poor. It's that simple. It's that fundamental.
I know that many will consider my ideas heretical, but they are the tenets of my sincere faith and practice. As we know from history, one man's heresy is another man's theology. Thank you, Martin Luther. As Thomas Jefferson said, "It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg what a man believes."
Regarding your criticism of MLK's immorality supporting the fact that he was not a follower of Christ, can you help me understand how so many Christians continue to minimize, deny, excuse, support, and condone the immoralities of Donald Trump.
Be safe. Be well. May all your ups and downs have only soft landings. ☮☮🕊🕊☯☯🙏🙏
@@barbwire7449 however someone can not be a Christian and still have true things to say about evil in our society.
@@robertguidry2168 Yes, the Bible is clear that Christians should have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness. Christians are supposed to expose and rebuke evil ( Ephesians 5: 11). It is the duty of all Christians to stand up and confront evil, including social injustice, whenever and wherever we see it.
In Germany during WW 2, Hitler ordered the crosses removed from the churches, and ran up the swastika. The great German Lutheran pastor Bonhoeffer refused to comply, confronted Hitler and his evil, and was led to the gallows, hanged for treason against Hitler. How many Christians today would lay their life on the line to fight evil?
But fighting evil is not what identifies one as a Christian. Even non Christians such as Gandhi confronted evil. The word "Christian" , in Greek, means "followers of Christ". Christ claimed to be God, performed miracles, was resurrected, was of virgin birth, yet MLK denied all of this.
If Christians deny the resurrection, they become false witnesses, and are therefore false Christians (1 Cor 15: 12-18). MLK was a false witness, making him a false Christian.
I doubt Trump is a Christian because he previously showed little interest in religion before running for office. If you only show interest in religion when it's politically convinient, it's a bit more suspicious. Pence whom I disagree with just as much, has been more consistent in his practice therefore I think he's more likely to be sincere. MLK was very consistent - he studied theology, worked as a pastor, seemed to have a sincere faith.
I have read and listened to many of Mlks sermons and speeches. He was DEFINITELY a Christian and I think one of the greatest Theologians in History. There are unfortunately a lot of people who don't think that he was a Christian because he was a " progressive" for his time.
No, Donald Trump is not a Christian, by any stretch of the imagination. A very spiritually lost soul who needs Christ.
But no, Martin Luther King was not a Christian, either.
No, Donald Trump, from all appearance sake, is not a Christian.
He has claimed to be Presbyterian (I do not know PCUCSA or PCA), was married in I believe an Episcopal church; but no, he has allowed charlatans such as Paula White to be his “spiritual advisor”, had Kenneth Copeland do a benediction of sorts for him, and has embraced many things which scripture calls an abomination. He needs grace and needs Christ.
But no, I do not believe that King was saved, either.
Neither are/were saved.
MLK denied the deity of Jesus Christ and the resurrection.
Given MacArthur’s context, “Christian” would be defined as political compliance and orthodoxy. Correct theology is about control, not faith.
We know only in part. The apostle Peter got a lot of corrections from Jesus on his… misunderstandings of theology, so if I (or Dr. King) are not quite getting it all right… we’re in good company?
We often use the word "judgement" in two ways, first as a cognitive activity of assessment and second as actions. We often judge someone to be "judgemental" when they act in a way that overtly reflects a negative assesment of others. I completely agree with Skye in that we should constantly be assessing our own path and the paths of others we may want to emulate. The kicker to me is to then to manifest those assessments in accordance with the Fruit of the Spirit and not in a judgemental way.
As Micheal Chea says on SNL: " I wouldnt have said that.. colin..or in this case John McArthur.."
MLK's transgressions were those of a sinner which all humans are. Forgive us our transgressions as we forgive those who transgress against us. Forgive us our transgressions as we forgive MLK's transgressions.
Judging others becomes sinful behavior when we judge with pride, comparison, or to belittle another. Judgment like this can harden our hearts, increase arrogance, and can hurt those that we judge. “Do not speak evil against one another, brothers.
Matthew 7 :: NIV. "Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
All have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God. MLK & Trump may or may not be Christians. Leave that to God. But YES you must inspect their fruit. Hence the phrase, “They will know that we are Christian by our love.” This was sooo good!
Please y'all listen to the recent podcast by 'the new evangelicals' about John MacArthur and what he has to say about slavery, social justice and his horrible cover-ups of SA and abuse in his church. Someone needs to question him!
Just listen to this very speech about MLK! JM is a bad bad man.
@@aosidh True. And he has some very racist views on slavery. He has said more horrible things and is very disrespectful. Remember what he said to Beth Moore? He thinks he knows it all!
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Beth Moore is not a Christian. She is in rebellion against God for preaching to men.
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Beth Moore is not a Christian.
She needs grace and needs Christ.
@@patrickc3419 She also needs respect and not being told to "go home" and being ridiculed on a stage by men who think they know it all. How is that grace?
"Judge not lest ye be judged."
Now the question is; what’s a good theology?
The doctrines of grace.
It's awkward because I think the Trinity is important, but easy to mess up.
If we're honest, most contemporary analogies turn into heresies if pushed too far.
I think that until a Christian leader actively denies the Trinity, the default should assume doctrinal faithfulness in the matter.
John Mcarthur has always been anti-social justice. He's always made that known (despite the clarity of Isaiah 1:17). So, him questioning MLK's Christianity is consistent with how he has always rolled....!
Martin Luther wrote some of the most appalling anti Jewish writings of his time. In a sense this is more significant than an affair as it has a longer impact and can poison people's minds for years. Thomas More's writing about what he describes as heretics was so violent it suggests a lack of inner calm. No one would challenge the Christianity of either
Do you have writings from MLK that refute, that discount his earlier writings that obviously were clear anti-Christian?
We have his weekly sermons in Trinitarian churches. Not accustomed to reviewing a Minister's seminary writings though.
You all wrong
Yes it matters, in the same way it matters whether anyone is a Christian. However, the things that he said and did about the evil of racism are just as true whether he was saved or not.
When Chick Fil A was asked a question about homosexuality, they answered. When the Pharisees asked Jesus about His deity, He answered, When John MacArthur was asked whether MLK was born again, he answered. Here's a tip: If you don't think you're going to like the answer you get---don't ask the question!
HP should have a segment called, “HS!!”
People make make up many things about some people.
Speaking of trinitarian theology … MacArthur teaches the eternal subordination of Jesus-Christ … largely to justify complementarianism
Thank you, I believe we are to set examples to our fellow man through our actions and it is the fruit of these actions that our fellow people see that give evidence of our relationship to God. Jesus tells us to beware false teachers by seeing the fruit of their actions (Matt 7:15-23) It is not their words but their 'fruits' we are to judge. Thank you for this reminder.
We have a book that tells us who is and is not a Christian. Phil’s question, “what % do we need to be like Jesus to be a Christian” didn't draw out the answers I think he was hoping it would. Jesus and the apostles speak about being reborn by the Spirit & the call to faith [Jn. 3] - and having a “vision from Jesus” isn't it. There are also other examples of being called to faith and repentance [Mark 1, Luke 19, Eph. 2], to believe in the one whom the Father has sent [Jn. 6], confessing Jesus as the Son of God, King, and the literal resurrection of Jesus [Romans 10, 1 Cor. 15], continually denying our desires for a life of sacrificial love [Mat. 16, Mat. 21, 1 Jn. 1], and the simple idea that you know you need forgiveness [Luke 5] seem to grow out of being forgiven and living in God’s Kingdom. MLK was a gift of God to America for equality when we needed him (and we are still learning a lot about equality). But doing good stuff (even a large %!) without faith in Christ as the sinless Son of God and resurrected savior does not erase our sins [Rom. 3]. In fact, none of the things that mark rebirth by the Spirit and redemption are re in MLK’s preaching or speeches (and it seems, his life). This seems strange for a pastor to miss (even though there are enough out there who do). Trump is not a Christian either, for the same reasons as MLK was not: no faith in Christ as their living King, literally resurrected for the forgiveness of sins, with growth in the Spirit [Gal. 5].
Love covers a multitude of sins. I would rather cover my fellow human than condemn him and call him a non Christian. Love the stranger that is among you.
You can't deny the deity of Christ and be a Christian. You can't deny the resurrection of Christ and be a Christian. MLK Jr denied both and there is no evidence he recanted those views. This is not about having perfect theology, but about affirming the work of salvation Jesus performed. He can't be your savior if you deny the essence of who He is and what He did.
You're deceived by their lies. King was a Christian, and preached Christ.
They have taken King's college writings, when King had an experience with God after he left college. They conveniently leave that out in an active attempt to deceive people.
@@hidden-treasures Does an experience with God qualify as a Christian?
Question: Does no experience with God qualify as a Christian? @@barbwire7449
While your priesthood is invisible, your visible ambassadorship can leave a WHOLE lot to be desired -- and certainly is a stumbling block to anyone looking at you as a role model. It'd be nice to have them be in sync, but we all know better, and if it doesn't impair you being a decent human, you might not mess up too many lives!
Kaitlyn dropping da 💣 @ :50 seconds
I just read that McAthor teaches a narrow calvanist view of wrath of God more than the grace of God.. That is really sad. The entire thing is sad. We should pray more for Trump. But the MLK jr part is VERY wrong. He was a Christian ans a leader. And I wouldn't say that about him at all.
Hebrews 11:33 who through faith conquered kingdoms, administered justice, and gained what was promised; who shut the mouths of lions,
People of faith helped to abolish slavery, that was John Newton. There is an important role Christians can play in many issues, but MLK was not the holy man he is made out to be by some. In fact, if we lose ourselves in any social issue but neglect our personal discipleship, we’ll, if I give my body to be burned,…? Taylor Swift is another Tennessee Christian, supposedly, concerned about social Justice, but, her latest videos suggest she runs with a different spirit.
Among Taylor Swift, MLK and John MacArthur, the person whose life is deserving of the most scrutiny is John MacArthur, who has assumed a position of Christian leadership.
Lord, stand in the gap for Phil, and Skye,and the other one, I see the enemy is flocking around and hunting among the folds. John MacArthur is part of the uninvited pastorate of many churches. Having inching ears they have heaped up for themselves teachers according to their own tastes.
@@christiansmakingmusic777 Matthew 6:5 And "the other one" also has a name: Kaitlyn Schiess.
We all have names, thanks for reminding me though.
He is in Heaven. Lets rather talk about the devil he was dealing with.
You know who else did not believe in the Trinity as we understand it today... Nobody from the first through second centuries. It is not a doctrine that developed from scripture. It developed from philosophy and theological speculation
@jmcdhome Luke wrote book of Acts. Acts is full of the Holy Spirit.
It was written in 60ADs.
The Holy Spirit happened.
Doctrines don’t mean crap.
IMO this has to do with ‘Christian morality’, which isn’t focused on the fruit of someone’s life but is focused on their sin and whether or not they qualify. Trump can be a Christian, MLK can be a Christian, anyone can be a Christian, but that doesn’t mean that the fruit and reality of Christ is in their life.
IMO Christian morality is what people use to qualify Christian leaders in the church and is semi invented by the church and how the church is designed.
I was born after MLK so I don’t know how he influenced people but every Christian that I know that loves Trump has become worse for it.
Have we gone so backwards that people are openly arguing that MLK isn’t worthy of honor?
Macarthur did not make such a claim against MLK. He only said that MLK was not a Christian. Macarthur based his answer on the theology and doctrines which MLK taught. MLk denied the deity of Christ, the virgin birth, and the resurrection. These are the essential elements of Christianity. If Christ did not rise from the dead, Jesus would be a liar, a fraud, and the rest of Christianity would have no hope of resurrection, meaning all Christians would remain dead in their sins. That relegates Christianity, the religion MLK was ordained to defend, as a false religion equal to all the other false religions in the world.
If trump is a fake Christian, that is between him and God, since he is not a preacher. When a preacher is a fake Christian and teaches a fake gospel, he is purposely violating his sacred duty to teach the correct doctrines of the Bible. He is violating his God, himself, and those who trust him the most--- his flock.
MLK was widely hated in his time too. This is nothing new.
@@averageuser4367 Yes, but that hate was mostly directed at MLK's race and political views, not his theological views. People hated MLK because he was black and also because his "distribution of wealth" doctrine was considered a socialist/Marxist principle. FBI director Hoover was a staunch anti communist and was convinced that MLK was a communist. That is why MLK was bugged by the FBI.
In 2027, the sealed FBI files on MLK will be opened and revealed to the world. If rumors are correct, it is going to be a sad day in America for MLK.
II Corinthians and Galatians has a little bit about what one believes
yes!
For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. ... Their end will correspond to their deeds. (2 Corinthians 11:13-15)
(🛐for John MacArthur to have more of ✝)
Has John MacArthur changed or always had some evangelical narrow things stated that is not right or good? I know he stated something ugly about Beth Moore. IDK.. ALL KINDS OF KINDS
He has tried to cover up church wrong doings for years. Follow Julie Roys and you'll hear all about his horrible scandals
Beth Moore is not a Christian.
Is MacArthur's theology Armenian sometimes?
Dudes, James 3:1. As a Preacher, MLK Jr is held to a higher standard.
4:25> What we see externally is almost, if not always, shiny-ER & pure-ER than what goes on internally. How many times have we all seen behaviors that prompt us to say (or atleast think) "If that's how he/she acts when we're all looking, just imagine..." or "Where there's ONE rat we DO see, there's 50 more we DON'T see".
Hmm… 🤔 Although truth is not listed as part of the fruit of the Spirit, scripture does record Jesus calling the Holy Spirit, “The Spirit of Truth”. So then, if the Spirit of Truth will lead and guide us into all truth, is there a distinction between fruit and identity?
The thing that will always stop the sweet sweet holy Spirit is gossip "casual or unconstrained conversation or reports about other people, typically involving details that are not confirmed as being true."
I remember when Oral Roberts was alive I came across this forum where so many (Believers) were going on and on about something he had said. Now what got me was Oral was not there to answer back or defend himself. I have been like this all my life (62 now). I always thought what if it was me what would want. When I found that in the word of GOD..haha oh praise GOD GLORY TO JESUS. Anyway so me being no one went to the man himself and asked. See I really wanted to know... it was all in love. If its of GOD He will open all the doors and always has. Oh what Oral said if they has just asked was nothing at all what they were going on and on about. So many yet no one just asked.
Christians are still human and we love LOVE to talk about others. Now allot share talk as if they have the real truth. A man of GOD long gone now would say "don't take my word for this, don't just believe me you pray you study you find this truth for your self".
So oh yes so many others just have to jump on this and talk about it. Me? Well .. I can only see the flesh and my Father sees the heart. What John said? Don't care. He has ever right to say that There are so many things when it comes to people in history that oddly never get talked about. Take some known Preachers that haha get whats that word "exposed"? Well they always I mean always leave out those video clips "if I get it wrong tell me I will repent and get it right" or "we got that wrong I repented". We had fire here the nation knew about it. We get this phone call my a known made fun of trashed talked Ministry "what do you need? What ever it us you tell us no matter what it us you ask we will get it to you". Yeah NO ONE in ALL over America no one else call us to help but these guys did and we were not giving to them how did they get our number?
So I went searching man that was not easy. See they don't make it known. There not doing it for mans reward. I found they do this all the time when floods, earth quakes, storms, tornados you name it happens they come with truck loads of goods. NO ONE that has ever "exposed" shared this. Praise GOD. So if you judged them by say "fruits" you see man believers judge them very badly. I never talk about what they do over seas. What good do they do for Christ. To hear a preacher praying asking GOD why He has not judge this .. hmm so and so preacher with fire and brimstone (his words) Christ said "oh but do you know the good they do for me".
How can the LIGHT see know more about darkness then good? I can just quote scriptures here but...but the Church loves to gossip. its everywhere now. Some Christians talking about some other group and persons praise God not my kids were talking about
"In our quest to make neighborly love a reality, we have, in addition to the inspiring example of the good Samaritan, the magnanimous life of our #Christ to guide us. His altruism was universal, for he thought of all men, even publicans, and sinners, as brothers. His altruism was dangerous, for he willingly traveled hazardous roads in a cause he knew was right. His altruism was excessive, for he chose to die on #Calvary, history’s most magnificent expression of obedience to the unenforceable."
- from "On Being a Good Neighbor (sermon)" | Strength To Love by Martin Luther King Jr. (1963) | Chapter 3
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We don't question Trump because of his flaws. We question Trump because he has never been known to show any interest in Christ. Even now he portrays himself as the ultimate power. That's completely different than questioning someone who was a verified religious teacher. Not being perfect doesn't make you not a Christian. We're talking about an opinion MLK early in his days of seminary
I believe Martin Luther King Jr.'s Christian faith was integral to his identity and motivation for his activism. While it may not matter to everyone, his faith deeply influenced his moral convictions and provided a foundation for his message of love, justice, and equality. Understanding his faith helps contextualize his work and the values he advocated for.
MLK taught the same principles as Plato and Socrates. He was just another philosopher. MLK never once preached the Gospel of Jesus Christ. MLK was just another snake oil salesman coming down the road, using his persuasive voice, homily, metaphor, and figurative language to attract and mesmerize his audiences. He was extremely effective. He used the Christian roots of his audiences as an ally to push his agenda. He was a great man, with great accomplishments, but not a Christian.
Technically Jesus was Not a Christian he was a Jewish Palestinian who tried to teach EVERYONE to LOVE ONE ANOTHER ... Hey, what about this... What if Jesus Christ died on the cross for Everyone on the planet in order to redeem Everyone on the planet and you don't have to pay dues to be in any special club to call yourself or anyone else a 'Christian' or do anything to qualify and take part in that redemption... What if it really is all 'by grace' that we are saved, what about that? ... Hey, wouldn't that be rather wonderful and truly mind-blowing if we could All decided that was true? ... Anyway, I know that's not going to happen here on earth, because we are all just way too swamped in chaos, confusion and rhetoric that we can not possibly cut through all the traditional BS, doctrine and red tape to see through to the simple truth... Normalize Equality and Equity will follow.
Listen it's not about being let into the kingdom of God as if it's another place hypothetically and remember Jesus we can't I mean we want to believe that that was real but we can't historically believe that all this is going to come true but.
But where was the kingdom of God what was Jesus talking about and what I think the kingdom of God is is here and now listen...
Where is the kingdom of God located?
So where is the kingdom? The kingdom is here and everywhere. The kingdom of God comes to life whenever people of faith gather and call for God's help. The kingdom of God is near if only we call out to the God who already reigns over us.
The Lord Jesus told us clearly that God's kingdom is on earth, not in heaven; God's will will be done on earth just as it is in heaven.
How do you view this universalist view printed in a book of his prayers?
O God, our gracious Heavenly Father, we thank Thee for the fact that you have inspired men and women in all nations and in all cultures. We call you different names: some call Thee Allah; some call you Elohim; some call you Jehovah; some call you Brahma; and some call you the Unmoved Mover; some call you the Archetectonic [sic] Good. But we know that these are all names for one and the same God, and we know you are one. (Martin Luther King, Jr. From "Thou, Dear God": Prayers That Open Hearts and Spirits.)
He never shifted from his belief in God at seminary he was always defending God from speculative intellectual white men Ya'll need to go read a book i suggest Testament of Hope
@5:42 begin raucous applause !
We know Christians, #HolyPost, when their Lifestyle Merrorw's Jesus Christ's! He returned to Father YHVH and said he "Is The Way, The Truth and The Life (we must follow) To. Get To Father God." How much Clearer Can The Bible Be As To How Anyone MUST LIVE To Be Save?
McArthur accusing somebody of not holding an orthodox Christology? The irony is too much. (McArthur has a long history of teaching Nicean Christology is wrong.)
One day, we will all be surprised to find out who ends up in heaven and who ends up in hell. Here's a sobering thought: Good people, people who stood for noble causes, died for noble causes, even died for their country---will spend eternity in hell, because they never trusted Yeshua as their savior. And yet---someone who lived a careless life, and on their deathbed confessed the Messiah---will go straight into the arms of the Everlasting God
First it is of uttermost importance do do your research probably before making such a presentation. You cannot simply say you don't know what was King's theology on views of Trinity, the cross of Christ.
This indeed is a very poor discussion.
My general rule: If John MacArthur said it, it's false.
@Independantbaptist66 thanks for your productive addition to the discourse.
Is there any specific reason you disagree (using scripture) with John MacArthur?
@Independantbaptist66 what makes you think I need it?
This was a good discussion. Thank You!
Wow... so what secret soxiety to you belong to?
MLK was a great orator and speaker and played a critical role in the civil rights movement. He should be remembered as a great leader and liberator. He was clearly not a Christian by any reasonable definition of what a Christian is. He denied the bodily resurrection of Christ, the virgin birth, the deity of Jesus. He put all these opinions in writing when he graduated seminary, and as far as anyone knows never retracted them. I think the problem that Christians have is when Dr. King is remembered as a great Christian leader which he was not.
Lies, lies, lies! I read "Strength to Love", and have a compendium of his sermons, all of which are more Christian than anything the "Trumpian Evangelicals" are offering today!
He did retract them. You are being lied to. I read "Strength to Love", an it was the most Christian book outside of the Bible. You are being used, of course, nothing new about that...
@@hidden-treasures I would be interested in knowing what source you’re getting this from. There are numerous articles that say these comments were never retracted and that he even reaffirmed these beliefs later in his sermons.
Read "Strength to Love", which King himself wrote as an adult, after college. In it, King outlines his Christian faith. And it is decidedly different from any of the "truths" I've been seeing on "You Tube" regarding him!@@jeffspearman5678
"Strength to Love" by Reverend Doctor Martin Luther King Jr.
A collection of sermons by Black American Christ follower which explains his faithful convictions in terms of the conditions and problems of contemporary society (1960s and sadly relevant today).
Does it matter? Yes it matters! Look MLK was an amazing icon of Civil Rights, and we as people of color wouldn't it weren't for him, but if MLK doesn't believe Jesus is God, and He's the Way the Truth and the Light and no one comes to the Father except through Him, than I don't think MLK can receive Salvation.
"Strength to Love" by Reverend Doctor Martin Luther King Jr.
A collection of sermons by Black American Christ follower which explains his faithful convictions in terms of the conditions and problems of contemporary society (1960s and sadly relevant today).
Wow - sell out Jesus and your own people in one transaction. What's 30 pieces at 2,000 years inflation?
Reverend Dr King is one of the few Americans whose Christianity we celebrate and be inspired by. After that, things get hazy.
And Mr Mkkkarthur certainly don't make the list.
By the Biblical standard of "by their fruits you will recognize them", I would say he was an excellent Christian.
"Pastors" who say this clearly illustrate they have no idea who Jesus was, or what he taught.
Anyone who could read "Strength to Love", and believe the lie that King was not a Christian, I pity them. But, you can't change the mind of racists, and while people are afraid to call John McAuthor a racist, well, if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, then, well...
Good morning.
Are you able to exegete, using logic and scripture reference, how saying that someone is not a Christian makes that person saying said reference a racist?
Can you, though logic and scripture, explain why MacAuthor ignored decades of Christian writings and sermons by King, to say that he was not a Christian? I read King's "Strength to Love", and it is the most Christian book I have ever read! King's college works were written decades before his death.@@patrickc3419
Can black people be true Christians John?
Ask Lecrae.
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Of course they can!! My own pastor is an African American.
My church is approximately half African American.
You’ve got Voddie Baucham. Conrad Mbewe. Virgil Walker. Darrell Harrison. Hensworth Jonas. All valuable, doctrinally sound image bearers of God who are pastors/theologians.
Scripture says that God does not care about the high or low amount of melanin in our skin surface but whether we have been born again of a living hope (Galatians 3:28).
The question is, "did MLK preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ?" The answer is no. There is documented proof that MLK denied the deity of Christ and denied the resurrection. We are saved by believing in the Gospel, the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ (1 Cor 15: 1-4) (Romans 10: 9). The central theme of Christianity is the resurrection. There is also no evidence MLK recanted his earlier theology. MLK taught "another Jesus" and "another Gospel" (2 Cor 11: 4). As Macarthur, says, MLK is not a Christian, and this is important because MLK lead others astray. If we miss the true Gospel, we miss eternal life.
@barbwire7449 I am confident that Rev. King has received a "Well done good and faithful servant" from our God.
I am so glad that neither of us is the judge of Rev King or one another. Blessings and I am 🛐4U.
@@2serve4Christ We do not have to judge Rev. King. The Bible has already accomplished the judging (John 3: 16)...those who believe have everlasting life. Those who do not believe will perish.
(John 3: 18) ...those who do not believe are condemned already. The problem with Dr. King is that not only did he not believe this, he failed, as an ordained Minister of God, to convey this doctrine to his congregation.
We should not take any honors from this great man. He is worthy of every accolade and praise due him. He was the greatest man of his century. But, we have a solemn duty as Christians to point out the grave error in his teachings (without judgement) so that others will not be led astray from his false gospel.
I read his books, especially "Strength to Love", the most Christian book other than the Bible. None of his critics have.
@@hidden-treasures Loving and forgiving others, doing good works, is not the requirement for salvation. If it were, both Gandhi and Muhammad would also qualify for a front seat in heaven, although both deny being a Christian.
That is the problem with Dr. King. MLK was an ordained minister who claimed to be a Christian, yet taught unchristian doctrines. If you are a pastor, really love someone and really care for them, you teach them what Christ said it takes to have eternal life in heaven, not the social doctrines that result in only temporary and comfortable conditions while on earth.
There is nothing wrong with King's teachings that we should love and care for others. But, not once in his book, or sermons, did MLK teach the Gospel which is the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ. According to the Bible, the Gospel is of first importance. See (1 Cor 15: 3).
No one is denying that Dr. King was a great man with great accomplishments. MLK was the greatest man of his century. He deserves a national holiday, and all the accolades to him for his changes to society. But, MLK failed to teach sound Biblical doctrines. By doing so, MLK left his first love (Rev 2: 4), A true Christian's first love is Jesus. MLK denied the deity of Christ, His resurrection, and by doing so, denied his congregation the true path to salvation.
Macarthur was correct. MLK was not a Christian. His social gospel teachings were basically the same as other Greek philosophers, such as Socrates, Plato, and Thales, and other false religions such as Hinduism and Buddhism. MLK died way too young, had much more to accomplish, yet he left his congregation in spiritual disarray and darkness when it comes to eternal life.
He was also a Pastor, he preached Orthodox sermons, to Orthodox congregations, gave Orthodox alter calls, and Baptized in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The witnesses are still here, the churches and their statements of belief still stand. We don't have to extrapolate from seminary papers.
Every statement I have ever heard from JM is comically wrong and/or evil
Good morning.
As a longtime follower and reader of John MacArthur, I just wanted to know what (specifically) evil he has committed or is committing you speak of? (Just so I can call him out on it, to repent; or stop following him).
Thanks!
@@patrickc3419 I suspect you and I might not see eye-to-eye on this 😹
His positions on public health, women in leadership, and queer rights are bad and wrong. I also think that anyone who celebrates predestination is worshipping an evil god - but obviously that's more subjective
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That’s fine; I majored in sociology back in college and work with various personalities in probation/parole so I’m fine with speaking to people who do not have the same views as me; everyone has to learn how to do that.
I am Reformed 1689 Baptist (yes, a Calvinist 😳😳) having been raised in the Roman Catholic religion and saved by God’s grace from some pretty carnal, wicked sinful stuff. While I certainly would agree with MacArthur on the roles of women in ministry, sanctity of life, and a biblical view of marriage, there are certainly a few things I would not agree with him on. I am not a “dispensationalist”, for example. I would also part ways with him as I believe drinking alcohol is a Christian liberty issue (I don’t believe he condemns it as sin outright, but leans much more on the absenteeism “for the sake of the weaker brother” position).
@@patrickc3419 Ahh, yes, I'm a reprobate - for some reason, god chose not to make me believe, and there's nothing I can do about it. I think you can understand that I have certain feelings about being (apparently) predestined to hell!
I forgot to add - as discussed in the video, JM's position on MLK is inappropriate, wrong, and transparently racist. JM isn't preaching some revolutionary truth - he is yearning for the days before the civil rights movement. Stand with him if you want to!
@@aosidh
When did I call you a reprobate??
So I have to lovingly hold your feet to the fire for a moment: I sincerely want to clarify, because I hate being taken out of context as well; So a person who calls into question whether Martin Luther King was a Christian (and the evidence strongly supports that he was not), then that person is a racist?
Yes, God absolutely used King to do awesome things for the advancement of civil rights for African Americans, there is no dispute in that.
To your point of “reprobate”; it isn’t that God made you not believe. Every single person knows that God exists. There are no atheists, no agnostics, etc. there are only people who suppress the truth in unrighteousness due to their hatred for God and love of self and sin. (See Romans 1). Only by God’s perfect, loving, sovereign grace does a carnal heart of stone become a heart of flesh (per Ezekiel 36:26).
If there ever was a man who was a godly man and minister of Christ in every aspect of his life, it was MLK. Did he have weaknesses and infirmities of the flesh, faults, failures and flaws? Obviously as we all have, clearly he had some problems with infidelity but that does not negate all the good and godly works of justice and righteousness that he did as well. He was a vessel that God worked through and fought the good fight against the evil and corrupt systems of the god of this world. He brought glory to Gods name and revealed the righteous and wise character of God, the Father, the Son, and Holy Spirit who are One, if he was offensive to people who are darkened in their hearts, minds and souls through the sin that indwells them, that only serves to reaffirm the genuiness of his walk of faith and brings a boomerang and double blessing unto the glory of the kingdom of God as well.
One of the martyrs of the anti christ. Proto Floyd
Poor Johnny Mac - I drew back from him when he pushed back on the Covid thing.