LET’S TALK RELIABILITY! L322 Range Rover.
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- Опубліковано 28 лип 2024
- Finally got the chance to film a video of my dad's L322 5.0 Supercharged V8 Autobiography and he even made a guest appearance himself!
Many have questioned the reliability of these luxurious and powerful machines. Despite the prevailing skepticism, the L322 has proven to be an incredible performer, combining comfort, style, and power.
What more would you want? You just can’t beat the feeling of driving a Range Rover!
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As a mechanic having worked on these cars many times, I can say these cars do not have to be old to be a pain, even new ones develop faults and malfunctions that are not acceptable at all for any manufacturer, I find it extremely difficult to defend Land Rover no matter how much I love them.
They're malfunctioning at the docks, trust me..
Best car I ever owned
That the L332 you've worked on? I was thinking of getting one, do they have lots of issues?
@@tryeyryryyr If you bought a nice L322 with say 60,000 on the clock and managed to run if for a year without any issues outside of regular maintenance, buy a lottery ticket.
@@user-sf7kl9uh7k Bought mine with about 100k miles on the clock, ran it for 2 years now and the only thing I've fixed is the starter motor solenoid, cost me 0 aside from a few hours to remove, clean contacts and refit.
Great video I am a very proud owner of an L322 3.6TDV8 2010 and consider them to be one of the best looking cars ever made. Same as you Farther I had a 4.4TDV8 loved it and had to sell it, regretting every second so when I got the opportunity its to own another I jumped at it and now enjoying the L322 experience again. I totally agree with you keep up with routine servicing and age related preventive repairs and these cars will deliver back to you by the bucket load ... keep on motoring in your future classic :)
I have the 3.0 TD6 (2002 year), Ive had it for 12 years and it has 300,000km on the clock. This model gets some stick for being underpowered but it isn't really underpowered, it just isn't overpowered. If you're happy sticking to speed limits and aren't into overtaking with limited space up ahead, this is perfectly powerful enough. Leaving other things like transmission aside, this 3.0 TD6 BMW engine is just about the most durable power plant you wil find in a Range Rover, and I've had that from friends who work in the service department of a LR dealership. At 300,000k, mine still purrs as smoothly as the day I bought it. Now for the "downside," I've had a new gearbox, turbo, air suspension, fuel pump, injector, wiper motor, handbrake assembly, discs all round and more... around £15k on "non routine" maintenance, but a lot of that was due to imminent issues thanks to the previous owners' negligence and the bills have eased a lot over the past 3-4 years. Mine gets a full anti rust treatment every autumn and is professionally cleaned underneath every Spring. Budget for £2000 a year on non-routine maintenance (that's what I have averaged over 12 years) but keep in mind that isn't linear, it could be £4000 one year and nothing the next. My gearbox and turbo went in the same year soon after buying the car (total around £5000) but for the last 2 years my only extraordinary expense was a new windscreen when a rock hit it which can happen anywhere anytime. Be realistic about what this car costs to keep on the road, and plan to keep it for a good while so that you get a decent return on the addtional investment in the vehicle you will inevitably have to make. If i's still worth it (it is for me!) then go for it.
If Clarkson and Harry rate them as the best RR built, then good enough for me , great road presence 👌🏻😎
True and they’re great cars, great if you have the funds to maintain them!
If this is the best RR ever built, I can’t imagine the reliability of the worse ones.
Beautiful trucks I have two of them 2007 HSE and a 2012 HSE, while there was a little maintenance required. I have driven both these cars from New York to Charlotte North Carolina without any issues at all.
Excellent video, I’ve had mine for 5 years now and it’s been the best vehicle I’ve ever owned. Love them.
Thank you! Love to hear that you’re enjoying Range Rover ownership 😊
I have the exact same model. Same colour, same interior. Although I painted the roof and the top of the door mirrors silver and changed the grille for the Westminster style. It looks a lot more modern now.
Range Rovers are a complicated top marque 4x4. They are not more or less unreliable than any other comparable vehicle. The problem comes when people buy them because of the brand kudos but do not have the money to maintain them. If you maintain them probably they are very reliable. I had a Supercharged L322 for a number of years and it was an incredible motor. As long as your service them on time and fix any minor faults straight away then they are great.
Problems occur when owners just run the car with the faults till they worsen and then complain after because they break down. Don’t but this top marque luxury 4x4 if you don’t have the money to service & maintain it.
At last someone with common sense in their comments on a L322. Having worked in the mechanics world and read thousands of comments on forums etc, it still amuses me that people expect cars to never breakdown when in their ownership. They literally have mental breakdowns themselves Lol. The key is preventable maintenance and that will go someway to addressing problems that could rear their ugly head later on.
I owned a 92 county, 95 LWB, and a 2003 L322 and although I loved them all I have to say that owning these trucks you will need patience and deep pockets. Having said that I can also say that even though I don’t own one now I will own another one in the near future.
Great video. Beautifully brutal car. I have the 4.4 normally aspirated jag engined model and love the wafting. Completely agree with other comments , it’s all about keeping on top of the maintenance (and having a topped up slush fund to take the stress out of unforeseen repairs).
so basically "get more money and be prepared to spend it" lol
Totally agree. Great cars but they are luxury cars and require funds to maintain them properly. That goes for any luxury car, not just for Range Rovers though.
The biggest problem with them is they depreciate quickly (in the UK) so people pick them up for Ford Focus money and expect the running costs to be the same. It's a 80k+ car, the running costs are that of an 80k+ car, not that of a Focus.
Great video, love it!
Great balanced video- love range rovers and land rovers, great products. Not sure about latest one but the L322 and L405 are on my wish list as well as a rest I’d classic. We had a discovery 1 back when was 13 - leased company car my dad had. Horrific experience from brand new - turned up in wrong spec, even wrong odour. When my dad turned up at dealer to collect it, he asked where the car he had ordered was - they were like “oh, this is it” - only when he showed them his copy of the order (he’s as lawyer and had made a copy) they had admitted it was wrong! They put it all right but it was a Friday car from then on - 4 turbos, 5 clutches, 6 gearboxes, 3 clutches, 2 fuel pumps, 2 transfer cases and centre diffs! He ended up getting so issued off with it he spoke with his lease cops about it and they agreed terms to end lease ear.y and et hm move in to a different car early - they were fantastic all the way through the nightmare he ad with the car. And yes, it was also serviced and had whatever preventative work they recommended done on the nail.
To say they don’t handle is a bit unfair on the car… they handle remarkably well for the size of them and you will chicken out a long time before the car looses grip.
This one is so fast it pushes past the ability of the suspension to keep up - only car I struggle to drive “briskly” round corners 😅
Agreed, the 2010+ models have adaptive dynamics/suspension which controls the body roll very well, they handle way better than their weight suggests.
Guys, Land Rover products do have their issues for sure. I wonder also if it is because the brand is so strong, we expect the vehicles to always work However, Amelia makes the point regarding how the vehicle has been looked after. These vehicles have a lot of tec in them, which needs looking after. The 4x4 is first class, but only good if they are serviced and looked after. The L322 version of the Range Rover has become a strong vehicle and is very good value on the second-hand market. Check the service, and look at the mileage. Driving these vehicles are fab. 7:40 when she puts her foot down! It is like driving from your sofa. Also, check out Discovery 4, these are also great vehicles to own.
No, it's because they're poorly made.
I dont know what people always talk reliability. I have driven my 2010 5.0 SC 100’ miles over two and a half years with no issues. Service that car regularly at a good place and it will be at your service. (And yes that costs something, I know, but it is not a Honda)
I just got a P38 , these vehicles are quite exquisite. Perfect for a picnic date
Great video. I believe it's called a split tailgate.
Everyone wants their own rags to riches story, even if they cant quite afford the riches! That's what tends to happen as these cars fall to their 3rd, 4th, and 5th owners... they individually rack up years of deferred maintenance, replacements, etc which all add up to an eye watering amount that would've been manageable if completed over time, when necessary. Can take an awesome car from a fun off road truck to a full restoration project in the span of a weekend. I had an early build US-spec 06 L320 that was phenomenal, and that's due to keeping on top of oil changes and wear items for what was a 10 year old car, at the time, and buying one that had been well kept by it's previous owners.
Flappy paddles were fitted to the TDV8 4.4 from 2010+, 8-speed ZF auto box. I don't think they were ever fitted to the petrol models. Great review though I think you were a bit harsh on the handling, for the weight of the car they handle very well, especially with the adaptive dynamics suspension fitted to the later models the body roll in the corners is very well controlled and they can be good fun to chuck around country roads :)
Beautiful Range Rovers , love these if I had the money to spend on fuel 😁 , in years to come they will still look good
Mine 2010 also came without paddles shift on steering wheel. But I upgraded it with the correct bits and updated the car configuration file and now it is working with the paddles on steering wheel
Thanks for a balanced review.
Thank you for watching! 😊
Really cool video! Thank you :-)
Great video! Dad's got food taste!
Great channel, and very thorough!
Much appreciated!
Flappy Paddles can be retrofitted! I just did it to my 2006 4.4 Jag V8 HSE LUX(The US version of the Vogue SE) I’ve had it for 11years. Needs maintenance for sure, but I have a well sorted 17 yr old truck with almost a quarter of a million miles! 222,222 on Aug 6 2023… Great truck, I love it.
Ah very cool! Do they work well?
what’s your average spend on maintenance for the last decade
@@Spartansrule118 weeeeelllll - that is a bit of a tricky one... I do a lot of it myself and have not been great about keeping track of everything I have ever bought. But if you want to include tires, the new headliner, oil changes, swapping out the rear center seat - twice (ua-cam.com/video/V5TmZV_Iom0/v-deo.html), adding flappy paddles.... Approx $20k in 11 years. About $1,800/yr on average and I get to drive a Range Rover!
@@FatAmericansGuide does that include air suspension and timing chain guides?
@@Spartansrule118 I have done bits and pieces of the Air Suspension over time. I think the only thing that I have left might be the tank... Timing Chain guides... knock wood has not been an issue so far and I have 224,000 on the clock
Mine is a 4.4L Jag - I thought the timing chains were a BMW issue?
Great video , Great car
Thanks for a balanced review. I’m keen to have an L322 and would prefer a petrol (re ULEZ) but I’ve been warned off one in favour of the 4.4 TDV8 because of the timing tensioner issue which is anything from £3-6k to fix IF you can find a specialist with the required kit to fix it. Has this been addressed on your Fathers car?
As a rover owner, it’s not something you can completely avoid, even it’s once done. If you’re planning to have it for a long time, you’ll probably have to do it again in about 100k kms. So, I see it as a bit expensive service that you have to face in about every 2 to 3 years.
Great review!
Any chance you telling how many miles it got when you guys bought it and how many you put on it as "problem free" as you said?
Thanks!
Land Rover's & Range Rover's can last forever
Fair play well said ! It’s a car and u need to know u might need to pay out for it sometimes but ur getting a Range Rover !!
Great video, I’ve got a 2010 discovery 4 3.0 SDV6 HSE and thinking about changing it to a Range Rover…very undecided as I love my disco…
We just went from a D4 to the autobiography v8 2023. They have many resemblances so it isn’t a huge transition. It’s astounding how light the RR feels in compassion though.
Massage seats on my requirements for next RR I think! Like your style keep going.
Just stumbled on the channel. Pretty looking car, great video, you have new subscriber.
Great video 👍. As an ex RR owner I thought id post a comment.
Ive owned 3x RR classic V8s and a 1x L322 TD6. For me the L322 is such a fantastic car to drive on a motorway, dual carraige way or very gently on A and B roads.
Try and rush the air suspension though and youll be in for a shock due to the sheer mass of these things, but then again you dont buy one to drive in any overall hurry around a bend.
The reason I got an older TD6 was that being the M57 its relatively easy to work on and many areas are extremely accesible.
I did a full suspension refresh on mine to stiffen it up abit but all sorts of things kept going wrong with it, i was able to resolve 70% myself but the remaining 30 I did have to farm out.
for me my issues were :-
-random air suspension issues
-fueling issues
-handbrake issues
-dashboard issues
-Transmission issues (Lifetime oil my ass!)
-And RUST !! - OMG the rust. The subframe ate itself which for me, ended my love affair with my L322. Prior to that my 3 tonne trolley jack went str8 through the sill on the OEM jack point. This required me to get resr arches and aills cut out from a later model L322 😮.
-Plus more id rather forget
* - I too have seen clarkson and Harrys review on their L322s and my face dropped, even clarksons turbos ate themselves !
I guess as they can both just throw money at the problems as and when they arise (not if), the problems go away but when you are constantly working on it-it be omes very laborious 😢
Turbos on the 3.6 tdv8 are really the only common issue they suffer . Not a big deal either. Did mine preemptively at 100k cost me £700. Not really a huge deal, people just seemed to be scared to death of them
For me - I wish it was a turbo or 2 😢 .....
I've owned one. Easy : if you have money to fix whatever the car's tantrums are, it's suddenly really reliable.
Nice Tag Monaco Richard
The most beautiful unreliable vehicle ever created!
Love this!
Lovely car! Is this the 5.0 supercharged version?
I hope getting a 4.4 diesel. 😊
One often wonders why RR wouldn’t research in depth to eliminate all reliability shortcomings, if they did that, the vehicles popularity and the brand could be solid and unreal. Boggles the mind how the automakers keep banging same drum expecting sounds of an electric guitar. Nice video. Thanks
Well it is owned by Indians who are known for being cheap skates
Had a similar diesel range rover for 10 years. Did 120000 miles approx. Broke down often but garage just 10 minutes away. On one occasion took 2 months to sort out problem . Broke down 4 times had to be towed back 3 times limped home once. A relative bought a new one a few years ago After a few months he was nearly killed on the motorway as the brakes failed. Repaired . Same thing a few months later this time the power steering . He gave it back and was refunded. My problem is that it is the nicest cabin but if you go on long journeys and do a lot of milage its a crazy car. You will never quite know if you are going to arrive at your destination.Unfortunately we cant get the luxury competitors of other makes eg Toyota which are sold abroad but not here.
Love the AJ-8, isn’t that an autobiography? Has the electric cooled rear seats with mirrors 😊. Also I think it’s the facelift model with the TFT display dash
Yes its an facelifted Autobiography with the media and chauffeur pack 😊
@@ameliaautomotive looks really nice, has he had it from new? It would be nice if it has the Cream leather with Black piping. I just Love the L322 and also the 2013-2017 shape. Anything past that just doesn’t look timeless, and I just don’t really like the look of.
just subscribed today. I'm here for the journey. to see how big you get!!!!
Ah thank you! 😊
Nice review.
Anyone who can afford one,should own a L322 (your dad’s model happens to be my favorite) before they die, reliability issues or not.
Am on my third one.
My dream ride, but in Holland it’s 950euro per quarter on road tax alone, making it nearly impossible to justify buying it…
I've had 5 land rovers and only one of them has ever broken down - 1998 Freelander 1.8 otherwise all super reliable. I keep up with servicing AND I don't do what LR recommends. I do what my great mechanics say.
Flappy paddles can be fitted. Powerful UK sell them.
..I have one, where would you like to start?
Cracking cars owned several 4.2 sc l322 .. they are a hard engine .. takes a lot to break it .. fuel economy not far off the 3.6td v8 .. this was the best era l322 .. it would get you anywhere… today Range Rover I think have missed the brief .. l322 aren’t show pony’s there a proper Range Rover 👌
There's a grey 4.4 lt for sale in Torino right now. Immaculate condition. (Not mine) They want 25k euros. I think the prices have gone up lately because of the trio of JC, the other guy and the Queen.
If its not a ford engine its a reliable one ! this version is one of the most fav Range Rovers with car enthusiasts.
Hi Amelia, just in case no-one has mentioned it to you, I watched and enjoyed several of your vids but there is the same problem on all of them and that is a sound problem.
Your mike sound is coming through on the left hand channel only, making it uncomfortable to listen to. The music comes through on both channels and it is fine.
Thanks Dave I’ll look into this?
Best car I ever owned...think I,ve been lucky 8 years and 40+k mls...Best job I did on it was to take inlet manifold off n De-coke it!!! Hell of filthy job BUT 4-8 miles to gallon better, Oh had re-map by some company down south More HP and MPG + Tons of Torks..Would love a newer one but I,m getting pissed off with £675.00 a year Road Tax....Thinking of turning Japanese...
The amount of range rovers for sale with 200000 + miles, the reviews which put the merc G Class on a level with Range Rover for reliability even the god like Lexus do break down. The more complicated a luxury vehicle the more to go wrong. My most reliable vehicle was an old Citroen c15 1.9 diesel van. No turbo no computer, no egr, no electric windows seats etc, no power steering, no air suspension. It still needed repaired and maintained with costs on the brakes steering suspension body, all vehicles break down
That's Nonsense, the G Class is X10 more reliable
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what garage in sussex do you use ?
I don’t live in Sussex. We have a family friend who is our mechanic 😊
Mic is left channel only
Great cars but you have to look after them , I know I have one 😅
Just gone to l405 worlds apart
I love rode products but those clip-on wireless jobs are pretty ordinary
look after it and it will look after you - nothing better
Scary reputation in Australia
A tip for next time: when you edit the audio from your microphone, set its balance to the middle. In this video, we hear you only through the left speaker, which is not ideal.
Thank you. Was a problem with my microphone settings. All sorted now in my most recent videos and moving forward 😊
Need to be a tdv8
The best for a daily!
min 0:52, how to destroy the leather seats ;)
Haha I don’t normally get out like this did it for the video 😂
Fit
I couldn't afford to drive it off the drive and back on again, would be okay if fuel was 5p a litre 😂😂
I don't think they are as bad as their reputation suggests. I think they are easier to fix than high end German stuff, less complicated, lots of choice on parts.
Lol couldn’t be more wrong. This L322 was designed by BMW.
@@johnguidetti5839 I know, but I'm just going on personal experience. Yes, BMW owned the company and there was clearly a lot of input (and parts) but it's definitely not a BMW vehicle when you actually take it apart. I'm just working on one with a Ford engine too.
@@highlandmalt6368 Depending on the year of the car will dictate if it’s a BMW engine or a Ford engine.
I think it was just a split tail gate. This was the classic look. They did change it for a while but it was hated with a passion, so they went back to this split. I THINK its labelled as a 70/30 split. Don't quote me on that!
The sports mode pick up is decent, BUT seriously out performed by a Shogun in the same mode, for a lot less money and arguably better off road capability. The fact that the Queen and other royals had the RR, was mainly the reason it is highly looked at, but if you look at it as a car person, it's not that great. Terrible handling at speed. The plastic sounding rattles, The air ride suspension generator is a regular thing to fail and expensive to replace. Same too with the brains part for the satnav.
Ah okay cool. Interesting I’d never think to compare with a Shogun. Might have to test one out! Agree with the handling in the Range Rover. It is shocking.
@@ameliaautomotive The handling debate is another one that amuses me. Are we expecting these barges to handle like an F1 car??!! Of course you can beeg up the front and rear seat bars etc to get rid of the body roll and take corners flatter...but that's not what the RR was designed for and in fairness none of the Land Rover cars are and were. They are designed to be great across all types of terrain and you are going to have to compromise on some road going characteristics if you still want great off road capabilities. I still would choose the L322 over any that came after it. It was the last of the real RR's.
The full size Rover has always had a split Tailgate!
A Shogun is not comparable to a FFRR, an agricultural workhorse compared to a proper luxury vehicle, totally different market. And to say people only buy them because the Queen had one is ridiculous; people buy them because they are unique in what they do, and they do it very well.
If you want a big luxury SUV that has V8 power and is reliable then get a Cadillac Escalade or a GMC Yukon Denali.
First (soz)
mono audio ftw
I love the vehicle, but I would be very nervous about owning a used Range Rover. They don’t have the best reliability and are costly to fix. You would probably have to sell your first born, or a kidney to replace that air suspension. 😁
Totally! You have to factor the cost of running it when buying a Range Rover. Definitely best to buy one with warranty from a dealer too if possible
I'd be nervous about running a new one!
Had every model of full fat range rover from 3.5 v8 classic to my current tdv8. They're nowhere near as bad as people make out, in fact I've witnessed more issues with toyotas the last few years (especially corrosion). Mine have all been used as offroad vehicles and to be honest I wouldn't want to drive anything else.
@@StuStafford83 They're very bad, especially when you consider how expensive they are.
@@user-sf7kl9uh7k What's so bad about them from your experience? Tell me what went wrong with your one I'm intrigued
Not a car 😮 it's a suv sport utility vehicle
In every era, LR come out at the bottom, or next to the bottom, of every reliability survey. Whether they are "reliable", when considered in isolation, is largely a subjective matter. Whether they are "reliable" compared to other cars costing a similar amount is a matter of fact. You can choose to ignore the fact and choose to live with the unreliability but that doesn't change the fact.
Richard
Love it, but then I would 😂
absolutely stunning .. the range rovers not bad either 😅
Ranger rover sport sdv6 2016 56k engine fail and i have it another same 2020 with 45k engine fail its very good suv but faults are scary never with range rover
Beautiful car no doubt but its for rich people.
Yeah a weapon at drinking fuel. 😂
Hope you got the bank account to go with it..boy the trouble you going to have with it…😮
How come the Land cruiser 100 series never breaks despite the fact it was launched in 2000s..???
I expect Range Rover to do more regarding reliability since they've been in the market for long..
Where's the value for money Range Rover group?! Stop taking us on a ride for idiots..
They are a money pit.
They sure can be!
All old expensive luxury cars are money pits unless you buy a Lexus
My 4.4 tdv8 autobiography is much better. Want to drive it?
Er, the ancient mobile phone in the rear centre console cubby. 🤔🤷
It’s not a phone. I’m pretty sure it’s the control for the rear TV’s. It is a 2009 car at the end of the day 😂
It’s the entertainment package remote! 🙂
Remote for Tv's DUMBO
95% of range rovers are still on the road the rest made it home 😂😂😂😂😂
Good I was that 5% that made it home this day then 😂😂
My father has this 3.6 diesel..piece of shit ..he afraid to go long journey..he spend in 2 years 10k..one by one part is failing plus labor at 140k km
Hola auntie do you drive barefoot 🦶
Range Rover, or in that case , ANY ¨Rover¨ word and the word reliability can not go together... they just don´t match, sadly!
Reliability and Range Rover
Contradiction in terms
How much do the Germans pay people to say this rubbish ! Do a review on a 20 year old German car !!
I have a nearly new BMW X3 and I laugh at people who buy Range Rovers. More expensive to run, fault ridden, lumbering handling, and poor fuel efficiency - all so you can kid yourself you are buying a British car !
One of the most unreliable I have seen in my life. I have land cruiser Amazon 100 series
There not reliable end of story
I just did blower motor on one these whole dash I had to remove nightmare job
I’ve heard they are a nightmare to work on. It’s only going to get worse the more tech cars have! 🥲
Similar to when my ignition barrel gave up ! - there was no DIY anywhere, so I wrote one and posted it on a forum.
Just one other point depretiation I paid 7K !! over the odds for a good one 4 years ago today even at this low end its worth nothing I would be lucky to get 2K for it My C.R.V. is probably worth as much !!!!!!!!!!!! Make sure you factor this into the overall value for money aspect !!
I’d have a BMW over that any time.Ultra reliable, comfortable, great to drive and far far cheaper. Get the 3.0 litre engine on an X series and it’s bulllet-proof.