Why Does Gaijin Hate Japan? - War Thunder
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In the wise words of my friend who mains Japan: *Japain*
FOR THE EMPEROR !!! (Last words of a japan soldier before realizing that his nation in War thunder was not that good )
that's good. Your friend deserves an award
As a Japan main, can confirm
I can agree
I can agree
The fact that the R2Y2s are 8.0 when the su9/su11 are 7.0/7.3 is still bonkers
Yea...
I found the R2Y2s good enough, while the SU-9 lackluster. SU-11 is good tho
@@purgetrapscorp they both good but Su11 is way to OP on the br where it sits
if you see it, first aam at 9.0, first flares at 11.0 ...
Just fly them in air sim when the 7.0 - 8.0 bracket is going
Also, people forget Japan had its own aircraft missiles, none of which are in the game.
When it comes to "paper vehicles", I am okay with them as long as they are both somewhat realistic (ie had actual mockups or models made, have reliably documented stats, and were in serious consideration for production) and are being used to "pad out" a tech tree that is missing vehicles in certain roles and tiers. Nations like America, Germany, and Russia dont need paper vehicles because they already have ample options to fill out their tech trees, whereas I think nations like Japan and Italy should get a little more leeway.
When push comes to shove I'd rather see a few prototype/preproduction tanks in the game than half of the nations tech trees being full of lend-lease/imports.
F4EJ-KAI did not receive any smart bombs because someone noted that they never had those installed, why not give it that time just for the balance of CAS, since we also do not have any good AA - we could at least have nice plane compensating lack of it... but now, it is not historical... now after ~1,5 years (?) they gave us completely paper F16 with imagenery loadout, instead of giving Mitsubishi F-2 or prototype of it.
No
@Nanokuu to be fair on the f2 I think it might be the case if it would be too strong at this point in time. I see people saying that it would have to be nerfed alot if added.
@@Nanokuu iirc this has more to do with the legal restrictions imposed on the JSDF by their post-war constitution. Technically, they're not supposed to have offensive ground attack capabilities at all, so no bombs...but anti-ship and anti-tank missiles, as well as depth charges are allowed as they can be considered "defensive" weapons for protecting Japan from invasion.
I believe lend lease stuff should pad out any lacking tiers. Japan doesn't really have a good arsenal of prototypes to choose from. Maybe a South Korean line could be a solution.
Next up on TheEuropeanCanadian “why does gaijin hate us?”
Japanese mains, you have my undying respect as a British main.
If japan should get any new mechanic before everyone else it should be the AESA radar system in the F-2. Considering that it was the first combat jet in the world to have it installed at the time.
The type 89 in particular has been utterly gutted after this latest atgm update, but I'd settle for an actual AA for 11.0+
It’s so annoying, I love how the bmp-2m doesn’t get nerfed but the type-89 sure does, missiles literally go into the ground on mostnajgles
@@NoNo-cn5qx 2m isnt wire guided
@@axeavier I know, but I’m saying it still hasn’t been nerfed even though it 100% needs to be
@@axeavierAside from the type 89 being wire guided: it can no longer fire missiles on the move, which it used to be able to do. It cannot raise or lower the missiles in a reasonable amount of time (2° elevation speed on the missile pods). It uses apds belts which are famously unreliable now with the realsh(i)tter system, and does not have automatic target tracking of any sort. RIP bozo ig.
Well there u go new japan top tier aa
You forgot to mention that they get 2 camos for their tanks, green and brown, with one they have to buy. They also have very few decals.
TEC finally hitting the real issues. Japans top tier AA is Strela level bad, if not worse. It’s top tier ground is great with the exception of that. Also the whole issue with the Type 90’s armor nerf, which should be on par with the 2A4 where the JGSDF literally showed in testing could withstand the Type 90’s own top round and a little more but War Thunder says is inaccurate. Let that sink in. War Thunder called the JGSDF, a professional army (one of the most professional in the world at that mind you) inaccurate in testing the armor of their own vehicle in recorded tests.
i started with germany and then changed to japan because everyone in that time sayed japan was pretty bad for newbies because planes were like paper, i wanted something challenging, and what happens is that i fell in love with it, i have all the air tech tree research and spaded and tier 4 tanks , i feel so bad that japan really gets nothing new every update for air and that ground is still with lack of balance in some br. i tryed naval but not newbie friendly and difficult to get something in the first tiers (more or less waste of time). Sad that Japan air is easy to grind but after that you get nothing new, i wouldnt mind getting some jet planes stolen from other nato countries even if in reality they dont own them like the japanese F16.
i just go through the ground japan
(till rank V) yes i agree that some of BR are not ballance
3.7-4.7
and agree to japan really need new vehicle
In future Japan will get F-15 and F-35. Which is top vehicle for other NATO nations as well anyways. So you get a top point where you can rival others. Not sure about the ground, there's lots of vehicles (SAM, ATGM/SAM kind of) to be added too.
@@caesarsspiritI'm new to the game and am about to hit rank 3 for aircrafts. Should I continue the grind for Japan or switch nations for aircraft?
@@RuseGuise aircraft is totally fine, ground not so much
@@RuseGuise it only gets really bad when you get to tier V up to VIII, its basically a pain simulator for air jap. Tier V only liked Kikka, F86 is not that bad but could be better, R2Y2 only was good for me in sim, what a beast, Tier VI is just pain, no countermeasures, tier VII is bomb simulator, Tier VIII is what you want it to be
7:44 In the entire 2 years of my WT career I had the Air RB map Battle for Midway a grand total of 1 times, so yeah..
I just wish they would commit one way or the other. If they wanna go purely historical then add the Ka-to and Ho-ru, type 74, Type 56 (105mm). If they wanna allow paperish vehicles allow them too, at bare minimum people want the O-I
The O-I should be added under the excuse "its needed out of necessity since japan doesnt have any other heavy tank".
so you want heavy tanks huh? yeah i do.... then buy these two premiums. @@chost-059
Japan is a cool TT because it has so many fun and unique designs that at one point or another have been really nice to play. Unfortunately there are just as many missing, nerfed, or forgotten vehicles. In every branch, there are relatively simple changes that could be made to improve the overall experience.
In Air: Add anything that ever mounted a bomb. Buff / fix the 30s. Fix the J7w1 flight model. Add prototypes, trainers, and tech testers/demonstrators with questionable (but realistically possible) loadouts instead of things like the F16AJ.
In Ground: Add more fun low tier vehicles (Ke-ho) and put the chi-he(s) back down to 2.3. Add a squadron vehicle. Give us the other two missile systems mounted on toyota mega-cruisers. Add the type 81 AA (if the f16AJ isn't a problem, then this shouldn't be either). Give the type 93 its smokeless missile (If I'm remembering this correctly). Give the type 90 & Type 10 correct armor layouts relative to their own shells (as described by the JGSDF), buff the reloads to 3.5 and 3.25 respectively, fix type 10 mobility, and Increase BR accordingly. Finally, add more prototypes, there are plenty to choose from.
Naval: The 25mm AA guns currently have more pen than the 127s. Please find a way to make the 127s do something. It's actually more efficient to use the AA guns sub 2.5km than it is to use the main armament. And the torpedoes aren't much more than a gimmick in RB.
Helicopters: Send the Huey the way of the Ha-go and/or add a better premium Heli.
Entire tree: Add a subtree. Thailand would be preferred in order to skip the controversy of adding Korea, but I'll take whatever is given. There is currently a Forums topic relating to a Thai subtree if anyone would like to read/view more on the subject.
Some of these things are more unreasonable than others, but that comes with the territory.
the f-16aj is at least a real ish aircraft (the aircraft was just a F-16A prototype converted to try and get Japan to buy the plane), but in game is entirely incorrect (It could carry like 2 missiles and had no radar)
also the 25 naval AA should be a lot shittier than it is in game.
and sadly a thailand subtree wouldnt really fit, theres no actual connection to the 2 nations militarily, thailand would most likely fit into 3 trees, USSR (ukrainian tanks), America (M60) and China (VT-4)
@@magnum6763 Thailand was allied with Japan during WW2, which should be enough. And I don't see gaijin adding Ukrainian developed vehicles to Russia within the next few years. Chinese vehicles getting left out wouldn't be an issue (although I don't see why they couldn't be introduced after China gets them considering that China already has Japanese vehicles).
@@tk03_85 thailand only allied with them because japan threatened with invasion, and they saw what happened in china. they were by no means similar, and it was basically we genocide you or you let us move our troops through you.
And yea, ukr vehicles prolly wont be added to russia any time soon, but it is the only logical place for most of the Ukr indigenous vehicles like the T-84, being a modernized T-80.
And China gets Japanese vehicles because historically they yoinky sploinked them post WW2. The ROC and PRC got everything from planes to tanks and even ships (notably the IJN Yukikaze), and in very large numbers. A lot of Japanese planes and tanks, which were taken from IJA units in China and Manchuria. These vehicles saw combat service in the Civil War (both sides), and were important parts to China and the PRCs military technology at the time (the majority of the tank forces of both consisted of Chi-Ha's and Ha-Go's). These were actual vehicles that were actually used in combat. Japan getting a VT-4 would make absolutely no sense, same with M60s because well they are M60s, as any US, Germany or Isreal player knows, M48/M60s are horrible vehicles and should be avoided at all cost.
and the stingray? you would be insane to say that the Stingray, a light tank offered for the AGS program shouldnt be in the US TT.
Japan is actually pretty okay in naval, once you get past the destroyers and early cruisers by playing AB with torp reloads.
I like this comment but, NO, no squadron vehicle to tank winrate, because it would end as something that should be tech tree anyway
I love Japan, like there is so much more they could add but decide not too
idk if you mentioned it, but the one thing that I can sorta defend gaijin on is the fact that (in comparison to every other nation in War Thunder) the JDF just didn't make a lot of vehicles to begin with. They were heavily limited in terms of tank and plane design until the later cold war when the Type 74s could be produced, relying primarily on things bought from the US.
I also like how the TKX gets a dozer but the Type 10 doesn't? Theres 100's of photos of the Type 10 with a dozer but they for some reason never bothered adding it.
Because type 10 with dozer its a TKX, or just one of 4-5 Type 10 prototypes, final production dosnt have dozer cuz look at lights at the front... Theres still some prototypes with dozers but main final Type 10 dosnt have dozer. Thats be said, i think they should add third prototype ( prototype 4 if im correct ) with plates for mine-clearing at front like type90b have.
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@@SuiSideexThere are Production Type10's with dozer too
@@krikrisuper7082 show me
I forgot about those pacific maps until you mentioned it, yeah those were fun
I started WT with Japan because I only wanted to play STB-1 (unfortunately, it's not enjoyable as used to be thanks to BR changes). When I know from the communities that Japan is the hardest and not friendly for new player, I realised that from the start, I am having a blast on WT.
Also, 9:23 I beg to differ TEC, I remembered there's an event from Japan, where the giveaway prize is Blue camo for A6M5 Ko, a decal, an attachment, and title "Yamato Damashii", it only ask us to redeem a giveaway code and it worked! but I only got camo form A6M5 Ko and the title, don't know where is the decal and the attachment gone.
forged in the fire of japanese suffering only to then dominate in other nations due to our hard work and dedication.
One of the biggest issues of japan is the lack of options, the low-mid tier ground forces dont have more than a handfull of possible non paper tanks that could be added but wouldnt fill the gaps, japan cant really get any sub tree nation because there arent any that would fit. If you want to give japan a heavy tank then the O-I would be the only option really
Type 2605 would be cool but that’s a stretch
Some people have suggested Japan get South Korea as a subtree (and China would get North Korea). While it would be absolutely HILARIOUS watching the ensuing shitstorm on the forums, I don't see that happening.
the french up armored a shit tonne of japanese vehicles captured in south east asia that japan could get.
@@z3r0_35Koreans would absolutely hate being shoved in with Japan.
@@kaijuslayer3334 Exactly, that's my point.
Gaijin ninja nerfed the Type 10's UFP, it used to stop even DM53 but now you can easily cut through like butter
Bruh.
Yep, typical gaijin, still some armor, but most top tier APFDS will pen, but they should just fix mobility of type-10 which is omega joke and i can live with meh armor.
If i'm not wrong , according to JGSDF , those "boxes" on type 10 is for additional armour block and the weight of type 10 will increases from 40 to 44 or 48( not sure
@@SatouShiori This is correct, the "boxes" you speak of can be a storage but can also be installed with composite armor, as a matter of fact the LFP also has composite armor (for the 48 ton config at least) with the same effectiveness as the UFP composites, another fact is the 48-ton config has ERA placed on the turret's roof, I have also read that the roof itself has NERA likewise is found on the STRV 122 PLSS.
Oh yeah, there's an image of the Type 10 having domestically made Hard Kill APS there's also a footage of the APS in action, not to mention RWS which was mounted on one of the Type 16 prototypes.
There are so many holes in this tree and other nations.
It’s almost as if gaijoobles never planned out the trees at all and just randomly decides what to put where
a friend and i learned that the Ho-I in japan has a APHE round that doesn't penetrate well, but can act like HE when facing an open top that has enough armor. all because the HEAT round was too slow and not consistent enough.
When it comes to stuff like the R2Y2, Gaijin has stated that they plan on removing them, but they have stated that only when they can find something to replace them will they remove them
I'm new to the game and am about to hit rank 3 for aircrafts. Should I continue the grind for Japan or switch nations for aircraft?
@@RuseGuiseGrind Japan air, it's the best. Even top tier is fun imho
@@purgetrapscorptop tier is worthless but mid tier is gold
Honestly, as a japan main, I do love the tech tree ended up with 12 million (no premium acc or vehicles) sl grinding through it as there are certain vehicles( particularly the derp ones) that are an outright joy to play
F-1 does have access to guided bombs. Like the very early version of them
I hope this becomes a series for all minor nations lol
to be honest it can be for everything except russia cause bias
Japan just wasn't a minor nation though, they consider Britain the same and we amassed the largest force ever seen I'm pretty sure during WW2 it's all bullshit
I really love japan despite getting barely anything notable in recent updates. I've went through the US, Germany, and Japan lines and I'm now done grinding. I've been having fun in the 5.7-6.7 ground bracket and love how my lineup for japan is 90% other nation vehicles. I bought the Heavy Tank no6 and like with any TigerE it is a beast which is only further bolstered by post war lend lease US vehicles. The only real Japanese vehicle I have is my CAS/fighter which can easily come out on top in most dogfights.
I'm in the exact same spot. The A6M5, A7M2, and N1K-Ja are great planes to fly at this BR.
The main problem with Japan is that the BR balancing has nothing to do with how good the planes are. You have US players which are somehow some of the worst in the game who keep insisting on turn fighting Zeros in their F4Us which leads to the very funny situation of the A6M2 being 3.7 and the F4U-1 being 2.7. The N1K2s are 6.0 for some reason too with their performance not being on level with the Goodyear Corsair.
The fact about japanese 20mm shells not doing any damage was because gaijin in its wisdom forgot to add any filler and rounds were just hollow tubes, it was later revealed by datamining but gaijin in its neglect for japan also gave no single fuck to fix it for quite a while. Have it in your mind next time you will think that this company has ANYTHING else than profit on their mind aka they dont give a fuck about playerbase unless it means losing money.
I'm new to the game and am about to hit rank 3 for aircrafts. Should I continue the grind for Japan or switch nations for aircraft?
Never will forgive gaijin for over tiering the A7M1. It was at 4.3 in air RB then got bumped up to 4.7 which wasn’t terrible, then they put it at 5.0 and now every game is dominated by JU288Cs and fighters that outperform you in every aspect but turning… just because you can turn doesn’t mean you can take on any plane that vastly outperform you in speed and energy retention. You need enemies to act stupid and try to turn with you in order for you to get a kill most of the time. Typical “balancing” for gaijin.
I want one of these vids for the American medium line
Poor m60s and their sabot shattering, and then the later m60 with ERA is so slow 💀 after that you get the abrams with 370 pen at 10.3
Japan could see the addition of P2V’s in its rank 3-5 line up.
Imma use this as a chance to rant as a Japan main, so please Gaijin, I’m begging for a top tier AA. Type 81, Type 11, Chū-MPM, just give more something to work with. Also, when will the F-1 and T-2 get their infrared guided bombs, and when will the F-1 get Aim-9Ls. Also, for the R2Y2s, can we please get the Fuji T-1 and Kawasaki T-4 instead please. STC when also. Also the Heli tree grind is insufferable. It took me 2 years to get to the AH-64DJP(inconsistent grind, but still grinding it quite often), and I only finished because of the recent economy changes. OH-1 Ninja when. Also, please give the Type 10 and TKX more than 40mm of steel of armor in their lfp. I can deal with an inaccurate reload speed since it’s still pretty fast. Also, RIP the Type 89, got absolutely ripped to shreds, especially with the recent atgm change.
tldr
where Type 81, Type 11, Chū-MPM, STC (Proto-Type 90), Aim-9Ls on the F-1, Type 90 infrared guided bombs on the T-2 and F-1, Fuji T-1, Kawasaki T-4, and OH-1 Ninja. Also please fix the Type 10s and Type 90s armor. And finally, rest in peace Type 89, you carried me to the Type 90s.
Hi fellow Japan main, im grinding the first Type 16 with the Type 89, do you think its worth buying? Afterall it costs like 1mil sl and im not a premium player
@@Kentai_Shimakaze it’s very worth its price. It did get bumped up a bit in br recently, but it still has a the Type 93 shell with 400mm of pen, absolutely amazing sights with gen 3 thermals, and it’s also pretty survivable. Although, the next patch should be lowering the cost of stuff soon, so it might lower the cost of the Type 16. So it might be a good idea to wait until next patch.
Thanks i'll take note of that. When will the next patch commense?
@@derritter3873
@@Kentai_Shimakaze They haven’t announced it yet, but it should be sometime soon, as the first dev server is already out. I’d say it’ll probably be out in 2-4 weeks.
Oof thanks, i think i wont wait :p Much luck to you!@@derritter3873
I dont have problems with early japanese tanks since theyre good enough with ho-ro and those semi stabilized tanks that are always fun to use my problem is imo late ww2 and cold war japan tanks are always over tiered every time
I really think the stb1 and type 74c should be on the same br as the leopard 1 and the E and F variant should atleast be 8.0 because being on 8.7 is just 100% uptiers all the time and its basically facing chonky mbts everytime
and years of nerfs really hurt the fun in this tech tree
0:22 better in ground lmao. Tell that to 1-3 tier with moust of the tank begin overtiered.
I kinda disagree with saying early tiers are lack luster, once you get the Ki-43s those things are useful up until at least 3.0-3.7 and by 2.7 you get the Ki-44 and the premium ki-44 is pretty cheap and worth it. A lot of people in early tiers try to turn fight everything and with how well both Ki-43 and 44 turn and imo better individually performing 12.7s than even Americans mostly due to the ammo belts I'd say Japan aviation is one of the easiest to learn. As for ground it's kinda a mixed bag, all the chi-ha are fun to play especially the second one you get and 3.3 I'd say Japan has one of the more consistent 75mm cannons. I can't really speak for above that since I've only just got to 4.3.
Japan still doesn't have a single plane with guided bombs and the only guided air to ground weapons they do have are on the F-16 in the form of AGM-65Bs. they also have no useful AA above 8.0 and no proximity AA at all.
I'm new to the game and am about to hit rank 3 for aircrafts. Should I continue the grind for Japan or switch nations for aircraft?
@@RuseGuise If you're playing air japan is fine. their air-to-air armaments are workable.
If you're playing ground japan has alot of very rough patches. at higher tiers their CAS is weak, they have no good AA and you don't have any vehicles that can really bounce a hit.
Looking forward to the France video....
I have to kindly disagree with Mutsuki being well bad, at the point in time when it was added was fine, yeah it wasn´t two to three shooting beast as Ayanami and other destroyers, but it was fine. Just a small little speedy destroyer that I will forever prefer to stuff like Frunze or Leopard or even likes of Litchfield. But truth is that since the destroyers became much more tanky, the 120 kinda struggles, but then again you have SAP so you can just ammo rack stuff, since most of the ship still have ammo above waterline(Including you).
Am I right by saying Japan was the First Nation to recieve adjustable suspension on a. MBT? The type 74? Just my refute to your point abt Japan never recieving first mechanics… otherwise Japan is pretty limited I agree
Fun fact. I entered a bug report that the Ki-102 otsu was missing most of its mission-critical weaponry (being a light bomber / shturmovik which doesn't have its bombs or the anti-armour rounds for its cannon). When I filed a second bug report after ages to check if they were actually doing anything about it, got the response below:
"KnightoftheAbyss
Senior Technical Moderator
Posted December 30, 2016
Thanks, I will read through this shortly.
Report ID: 0038776 is still an active report. It has been assigned to a Developer. Last actioned Nov 18th.
Cheers"
Still unresolved. Has become a bit of a running joke among my clan and some others who are aware over the last decade.
Type 90 and Type 10 are very interesting vehicles for Japan. But that's all I can come up for this nation, at least for Ground battles. Everything else feels boring if not terrible.
Do you think Ground RB maps should have AI SPAAs that stay in spawns ? or a behind the spawn, out of the player area.
I'm not asking for Pantsirs, but something like the AI in air RB or ground Pve.
Just having a threat you can always rely on to bother the CAS or make them waste some munitions
But did i miss Minor Nation Awareness Month or what ?
Recently I play Japan 8.7, because the F86 30. I love that plane. But the main problem in tank battles on this BR is that Japan can use 2-3 tanks, capable of dealing dmg to 9.3 viechles. Russia had almost 6-7 tanks and I always play against Russian tanks. The thing is, when im killed with Type 74 C, the STB-1 cant compare with other tanks in this BR. You just cant one-shoot almost nothing, even with Type 74 C, because of the shells.. At 10 games on this BR, we won 2 MAX. Because of superiour number of enemy tanks, that they can spawn and deal damage...
Yea well …. The prop planes have no respect for the laws of physics ….. but they burn so well 😮
As a South East Asian from Malaysia and actively grinds Japan, just add a sub techtree of which the only logic and LEAST controversial choice is Thailand.
Why not South Korea or other SEA nations? Incomparison to Europe and how Germany has apologised. People over here like myself we don't hate the Japanese but we dislike the Japanese government. I've been to Japan on holiday twice for your information like you need to know but just saying to say I have nothing against Japan the country or the people. Just the government due to not aplogising and overall acting like the actions never happened. Many people think like myself and seeing our nations vehicles in the hands of a former oppressors (fair enough the British also oppressed Singapore and Malaysia but the British are the ones that technically built both nations up. We still use colonial laws till today)
Not to mention I like how some people justify Malaysia and Singapore in the Japanese techtree because "Singapore is pro Western" which is false. Singapore works with both China and the West and the population right now in Singapore is more pro China. Singapore is not Pro China or Pro West. Singapore is Pro Singapore. Malaysia sure had a few deals for Japanese arms but with that argument why can't Malaysia go into the Chinese techtree? Malaysia buys more Chinese equipment then Japanese plus Malaysia pro West? Bro if the MOD literally allows the PLAN (to my dismay but i see it as fair if the Americans are on our territory) to train and patrol in our waters then are we really Pro West? And the majority of the population is more pro Chinese leaning due to well Isreal is a farely big factor for Anti West thinking and about 40+% of the population is ethnic Chinese and Malaysia and the PLA work together quite a bit. If we were pro Western we wouldn't have military drills with the PLA only with the West but we have drills with both so? Justification where? If you want Malaysian and Singaporean vehicles just put them in the British techtree or for those wanting regionalism an ASEAN Techtree or put certain vehicles in the vehicle origin such as Leopard 2SG goes to the German techtree.
ROK subtree would help so much.
It unfortunately would make sense for gaijin to implement both North and South as it's own tree.
How do you figure? South Korea lacks any SHORAD equivalencies to things like the 2S6, ADATS, and the Tor-M1.
Japan isn't suffering from lack of MBT's it's suffering from lack of Air defense vehicles.
Also you are just going to piss off Korean players who make up a sizeable bit of the player base all because Japan IRL is a trash tier military.
South Korean tech tree in the Japanese tech tree would never be a good idea
@@jeffrey9068 Japanese players when you propose a ROK sub tree= 😀
Japanese players when you suggest an independent Korean tech tree= REEEEEEEE HOW DARE YOU !!!!!!
@@anthonydehijar8466 maybe since they are smaller nations maybe add ROK to jpn and then NK to china?
I really like Japan I was hoping after ALL these years they were going to eventually gonna put in ALOT more vehicles than what's there now. Its been almost a decade and Japan still got almost nothing really added to it and they are gonna actually take away the R2Y2 they said a little bit back.
...Japan are literally better than Uk, except when it comes to naval, which everyone keeps insisting noone cares about.
Your high lmao
Wut
I’d say Japan and Britain are about equal in naval.
AAAAAAANNNNNNDDDD not only does it lack the ability to defend against CAS no, it lacks CAS'"ing" itself. Seen pictures of F4EJ and even T2 with what appeared to be guided Bombs... its just ridiculous at this point
Give us the Ki 43 III Ko lmao, literally a JP plane that Japan doesnt even get
Real af
Gaijin don't understand the concept of rock, scissors, paper.
I main Japan and when I began I just played with my head cut off and as a speedy Boi because I knew I would die if anyone would look at me. Also once in a ha-go during realistic battles I was able to get 4 kills on Stuarts somehow so lol
Now France turn 😂
STC-1/2 when?
the mitsubishi F-1 can get aim 9l's
Gaijin gib Japanese Missile SPAA plz
and all the copy pastes!! copy paste type 10, copy paste type 90, copy paste type 87 RCV, copy paste type 74s, copy paste type 16s. GIVE US NEW VEHICLES!!!!!!!!
Yeah, like what?
@@SuiSideexCCV, Type 96, Type 11, Komatsu Lav, Komatsu IFV, Type 81 would be new & unique high tier additions
@@ericlorenz6679 XD
CCV, really?
Type 96, really? XD
Type 11- its cool but its need another vehicle where radar was mounted, and guess what, theres more stuff like this, sadly gaijin said they will not add SPAAs like that into game which is lame but well.
Komatsu lav/ifv cool, prototype which is worse than type 89? why not, for a event vehicle or something, i dont see any good reason to add this to tree, maybe if u just want more type 89 like vehicle which i can understand. Komatsu lav, again, really? what do you want, vehicles with only 12.7mm machine guns or even lower calibers in WT? Or theres any versions of those vehicles with any good armament? The only interesting thing which i remember are Chū-MPM, untill gaijin change their opinion about weapon systems which needs seperated trucks (like one truck with radar/fcs and one with missile launcher etc)
@@SuiSideex The Tan-SAM C (Type 81) can fire without the radar. The optical director was on an external tripod when using the A and B version, but the C has it intergrated into the launcher , it would still be much better than the Type 93
"CCV, really?" Yes, really, what's the problem with it?
The Komatsu B78 (IFV) wouldn't be worse than the Type 89, it would be equal if not better, it's way smaller than the Type 89, has around 30hp/t and the 25mm gun can deal with light opponents more easily, it also doesn't have the shit reload mechanic of the 35mm
The Komatsu LAV is a weird one because it doesn't actually mount a launcher, it's just a guy holding it, so I don't think it will be added
They could also added the unique Type 90 prototypes instead of just copy pasting them.
@@crez3463 mhm, i prefer to have two type 90 instead of 1, and guess what, i Hope they will add another type 10, like type90b.
I’m just waiting to see more videos like this, but for America, and Russia.
As a Japan main, I really don't suggest any player choose Japan as the first tree to grind like me. It is for the player that already expert in the game, the newbies will be locked in a respawn-died loop until you somehow remember the weak point of every vehicle. For example, I can't any kill for 6 months when I started to grind, the type 95, 97 and 89 are the worst tier 1 tank in the game and it will filter out the 95% of unsuitable player
I love japanese MBTs, but the SPAA sucks. Once they have something worthwhile for me to grind on japanese tech tree, i'll play Japan again.
Hell hath no fury like that of a Snail scorned. Anton is still butthurt about his move into the Japanese game market and couldn't get a GirlsundPanzers tie in.
I don’t really blame Gaijin for not having a lot of anime promotional content for Japan. In my opinion and based off of my experience(kancolle), it’s Dmm’s fault. They like to restrict things to restrict people outside of Japan from using their website and playing games for wharves reason. If you look at their English site compared to their Japanese site (you may need to use a vpn connected to Japan since they will not give you access to it if your ip is not in Japan), they have a LOT more games available. Also, them cracking down on people outside of Japan is worse than you think, when I first started playing kancolle, I had to use a vpn, but that didn’t work because my time zone was not set to Japan. I’m not sure why Dmm has to be so restricted about their services. When gaijin and dmm wanted to do a collab, gaijin likely did not have the option to release they stuff to people outside of dmm/Japan. +I think dmm has license for a bunch of anime stuff/games, so they would want to have it exclusively to their site so they can make more money.
You’ve only pointed out the problems, any suggestion to fix the problems?
I have played all three Axis Nations. And if I've learned anything, especially with Italy, it's that it can definitely get better. At least in the top tier. Not even 2 years ago, Top Tier Italy was unplayable. Bad ammo, no armour, no good cas and also very few vehicles. But that all changed over time. Dardo, VCC 80/30, Ariete tanks with DM53 and the new Ariete AMV, Tornado, F16 and now the Freccia as the first vehicle with spike atgm and the first tech tree vehicle that has fire and forget atgms at all. All this has catapulted Italy from the worst nation to the midfield. There is still the problem of poor air defence and the helicopters would soon need a version of the A129 with spike ER, which would also be good for all other nations except Germany and the USSR. But all in all, things have improved considerably in a relatively short time, at least when it comes to Top Tier. And I believe that as soon as Gaijin is brave enough to offer a South Korean sub tree for Japan and a Hungarian or Spanish one for Italy, a lot can improve in a short time.
I feel like there is no japanese vehicle before 6.3 that can be consider the best at something . The whole of tier 1 is lacking everything (at least france as armor) . Tier 2 has the chi-nu which is the first tank that isn't bad . Their AA are ok but german 20mm are just as good or even better . The chi-to are worst pz4 in every way . Chi-ri II is just too big . The M24 , M4A3 and M41 are good but not really japanese vehicle . the ST are ok perhaps may i say good ? And finally you can reach the first really good vehicle the STB-1 at 8.0 . You need to grind throught 70% of the tech tree to find a very good vehicle what a shit start .
Instead if asking why does Gaijin hate Japan you should really be asking why does Japan have such a lackluster military? Its easy to adk why Japan doesnt get fancy new mechanics but you have to remember that the JGSDF is rather archaic in terms of its force structure the adoption of the type 16 and type 10 was the single biggest push by the JGSDF to modernize its forces in the past 30 years.
Was hoping i wasnt the only one who thinks this
It's almost like Japan's military is a defensive military...
Or maybe it's the fact Japan is an island nation so a army isn't really needed. Or the fact the strongest military in the world has enough bases around Japan to completely protect the Japanese islands.
This might be Valid if Gaijin had actually chosen to give things like type 10 and type 90 realistic performance, or added a subtree, or added everything they could to the current tree, or adjusted rank 1-3 BRs to make for a better new player experience, or if gaijin could actually be transparent about why we have to spend months (years in some cases) throwing publicly available documents in their face just to get a vehicle up to the standard it should have been at on release.
@@tk03_85 oh here comes the 1 second fast fire mode bullshit.
If Leclerc can't get it's rapid fire mode and manually operated tanks don't get the option of lap loading then Type 10 and type 90 shouldn't get fast fire mode. They already have the fastest reload in game.
Japan suffers because not many people play them, so your solution is to make them absurdly op.
@@nemisous83 no, my solution is to make them realistic. 3.5 is a realistic reload time for the type 90. 3.25 would be good for type 10 given that we know it’s faster. That’s not “fast fire mode”. That’s how they realistically should be able to fire in standard situations. Heck, bump the times up to 3.75 and 3.5, idc. And you’d obviously move up the BRs after fixing the tanks. Im not asking them to stay at the same BR as a BVM, because realistically the type 10 especially is miles ahead of a BVM.
I just want realistically performing vehicles. All vehicles should be able to perform accordingly.
Eventually we’ll get things like t90m or Leo 2A7. Those tanks are contemporaries to the type 10. People will notice if they have significantly less armor than they should, or worse mobility. Why shouldn’t Japan have the same access to realistic performance as a main nation? Does being smaller fan base mean that we should be ok with gaijin giving us the short end of the stick?
How cute and ironic that Japan and France are exactly the two nations I am playing with currently
Turret traverse and the type90 and especially on type is just a joke why 30°/s max ???? Type10 has probably the most lightweight turret out of all the top tier mbts
Japan needs so much work done in post WW2 ground forces
But the issues is that japan doesnt have any good low-mid tier additions anymore, unless were gonna start adding more mystery tanks like the O-I and Chi-Se
Do Sweden next pls it’s missing so much historical sruff
I will always say this. Japan is a very underrated tt, but the reason for this is because gaijin refuse to give Japan any love, whether it be incorrect reloads (type 90/ type 10 having a 1 second realod. there is video footage to back this up) or incorrect stats for engines/armour. for aircraft they refuse to give the f4s and F-1/T-2 correct weaponry or even give the F-1/T-2 there radar gun sights. imo if gaijin real wanted to fix the gaps in Japan they should add the ROK yer it's controversial but it will help Japan and also give anothe country appreciation
there are only 3 nations I feel in wt that really get the short end of the stick, britian, Japan and isreil all 3 of them could easily get things to fix the gaps and lack of specific Vic's but gaijin would rafer focus on the big 3 and China
there's one other area I think really suffer in wt which could be fixed by adding other nations but also ACTUALLY GIVING THEM CORRECT WAEPONRY the Swedish top teir air, I just spaded the aj37 and I've never wanted to throw my controller at my TV more than that bloody jet. I say this because from what I've heard the ajs were supposed to be able to carry internal countermeasures but gaijin won't let them (so I've been told)
anyway great vid tec I hope you do a vid on isreil next and how that tree is basically gaijins punching bag
1 second reloads? I hope you have a citation for that one buddy because all sources and videos put the reload at 3-4 seconds.
Japan suffered because the JGSDF is just a trash tier Army that is plagued with budgeting problems and a fleet of equipment from the 80's with little to no modernization efforts. Even the type 74 G Kai was deemed too costly to adopt even though the modernization barely brought the tank up to 1980's standards.
@@nemisous83 the vid of the 1 second reload was bug reported and sent to gaijin a while ago.
@@r6sm043 can you provide this video?
Edit just found it: that rate of fire only achievable if the same ammunition is already preselected also it's not a sustainable rate of fire. The Leclerc has a similar mode of fire.
If we are going to use that logic then the M1 and Leopard 2 can utilized lap loading which is another unsustainable rate of fire hack.
@@nemisous83 the "rapid fire mode" can be utilised much more efficiently in the type 10 and leclerc as they are autolaoders while the leo and Abrams are manual which relays on human ability which can lead to errors even without the whole rapid fire mode the leclerc and type 10 are supposed to have quicker reloads which again comes down to gaijin not bothering to give love to minor tech trees, yes you can argue it's for balance however both the type 10 and leclerc are very under armour and more or less rely on there relaods. in Japan's case this makes sense as they are a."self defence force" they are only allowed to protect there home islands as the ww2 treaty prohibits them from having any real army (idk if that treaty is over now and Japan is just used to this doctrine or the American government still won't let them have a real army)
On the forums right now, there's actually a Topic about adding Thailand as a Subtree to Japan, which would be slightly less controversial than Korea.
Japan: We would like parity in our tech tree.
Gaijin: “Here, have some Pedo bait cartoon girls to put on the outside of your vehicles “
Japan: “ Domo Arigato!!!”
Maybe the JGSDF should actually invest in parity of equipment first. The Type 90 is literally the same tank it was in 1990 with no modernization efforts.
@@nemisous83why would they, it makes no sense to modernize a tank where at best they're going to face against landing crafts, heliborne troops and maybe amphibious armour which will have the armour of a paper bag.
Japan isn't like Germany or France that needs to worry about a land invasion, they gotta worry about a sea or air invasion, both of which you only need a limited army to defend against
@@Thekilleroftanks literally listen to yourself. Heliborne, landing crafts, and amphibious armour....... Those would need a SHORAD system, and a guided missile carrier with top down attack.
Also if China was to invade they wouldn't be invading Hokkaido they would invade southern Japan which only Type 74 and Type 16 operate out of. Also they would just role up to the beach without carrying out some form of SEAD, or air interdiction mission to take out key defensive points, decision making centers, and armories. Meaning an amphibious assault would largely be successful so Japan would have to fight inland which their force structure is woefully outdated In comparison to countries like China. You are using the same cope Taiwan uses to justify having outdated equipment.
The point of modernizations Is to keep up with modern requirements. Even the lowest bottom barrel Chinese light amphibious tanks and IFV's have access to digital FCS, gen 2 thermal imagers. Where as Type 74's don't even have that it's using the same old FCS from the late 80's which even by the standards of the day was incredibly archaic.
Yup, Gaijin does love bending and ignoring it's own rules. 44M Tas with the 80mm gun is too "ahistorical", despite the gun being literally developed for the tank, but the Ho-Ri is fine.
Edit: wrote 43M rather than the corret 44M
Japanese reserve tier is actually not bad. The Ha-Go, and Ke-Ni is usable, the Ho-Ro and Type 94 is good, and the Ho-I is just outright OP.
After that in rank 2 you get the Chi-Ha Kai, Chi-He/Nu, the Ho-Ni 1/3, and the Chi-Ha long dong.
Rank 3 is also good, Chi-To/Ri, 76mm M4, M24, Na-To, they are all fine.
And about the fake stuff. Like bruh, who cares. They are not OP, they are fine.
Also, can we just stop this BS when you can repair a destroyed gun barrel/breech/engine/transmission/gun drives in less than 20s on the field while getting fired at and actually no crew gets out the tank to make the repair?
Or reviving a crew member whos head got blown off by a 152mm round?
Having vehicles that were partially assembled, or even just had a partial woden mockup is fine.
Heck, even the fully fake Panther 2, and 105mm Tiger 2 is fine. They are not game breaking, they are just good tanks.
OI would be fun lol
Its my opinion that if its on paper, its historical.
Yea no, that argument doesn’t apply here. War thunder isn’t realistic or historical. It’s a GAME, and balancing vehicles should come before anything.
But no, because that would actually make Russia get stomped in game. They are inflated at literally every corner of the game, when every other tech tree is undervalued.
even when its rng better than rushha never see many their usa clones eat more one hit better skip it
werent they supposed to hate british ?
Hatred can be everywhere
What strike planes? LMFAO what they got one and its pretty much at a BR where its almost useless to do anything with. I really don't get it Japan actually has quite A LOT of military vehicles IRL and Gaijin isn't adding any of them any time soon. But I just don't get it 🧠💥 You can just look at Imperial Japan Tanks and AFVs and they have FULL sheets of vehicles and a ton aren't even in game for tanks. Like the O-I Prototype that was a real tank it was completed from what I have read or the Type 4 Na-to or Type 2 Ho-1 even the STB-6 like I mean there is a bunch they could honestly add to the tree for low BR tanks without a doubt. They have a bunch of prototypes threw out the WW2 era stuff and before. Japan has one of the bigger lists of prototype tanks if you look it up online. The plane tech tree could fit a lot more vehicles they had either production or prototype. Japan even had an Avenger but its not in there list anywhere. They have a bunch of flying boats and many more helicopters they can for sure add........... Maybe Gaijin really doesn't like Japan 🤔
f-14 radar is fucked up isn't it?
If the Maus, E100, Panther II and many others get to stay
Then japan should get some paper tanks, planes, and ships
Hell japan ordered a tiger (in game) a panther and panzers but yet where are those?
Wheres some of those Japanese heavies (no not the shitty wargaming heavies i mean the O-I)
i genuinely dont understand why they give germany, russia the gwack gwack 3000, i genuinely dont see anything op in the US tree then again im decently new.
Minor TT should get as many new vehicles as other nations, and since the big three have yhye most vehicles then they should be ignored for a few updates
Because of 1910.
You made a video "why does gaijin hate" for japan, italy and germany. The truth is gaijin doesn't hate those nations, they just have a bias toward USSR
Lowtier japan is pain. 57 mm HEAT round couldnt penetrate BT5 frontally at 30 meter distance on good angle. At that moment i said fck this and quit game
Why does gaijin hate there player base?
There russians nerd. Thats why they picked Atomic Heart as their collab because its from another RUSSIAN GAME DEVELOPMENT TEAM. Meanwhile WOT Console had both GI JOE and WARHAMMER 40K.
Plus, its gaijin. The same people who helped inspired gamers to leak classifed documents in order to buff their countries vehicle and prove a point.
Gaijin is owned by one of the many Russian oligarchs backing atomic heart (who are ok with war is what I’ll say), also apparently a ton of gaijin workers are very “Z” (NFKRZ has a video on this and atomic heart)
Because they are not RU or CN.
Now do France
Mutsuki is pretty bad - they adds momi which is way worse
If you want to know who they favor look at the russian winrates in high Tier.
My T-80BVM is at a 70% something winrate and Im not a good player
No bias comrade, that’s just uhhhhhhh chance??? da, chance
@@LewisB3217 da tovarish, yes. Pure luck
@@MrAxeofcapitalism yes that’s it comrade, don’t look any deeper 😁
Well i have all tech trees without UK and russian vehicles are not that op, for example my favourite is type 10 (mostly because it looks so cool) NATO players are just dumb 0 noskills which can only complain about russian bias cuz they cant aim or think.
@@SuiSideex everytime a soviet main says nato players can’t aim (while NATO players are forced to aim for soviet weakspots(drivers hatch, LFP) while soviet tanks get to lolpen you, you’re proving you dont know what you’re talking about, It sounds like you have a skill issue comrade, because I snipe soviet drivers hatches all day, while they lolpen me anywhere at 10.3
Hate them?
They got Zero, most op thing ever
As a Japan main with 1k hours of only Japan, yes i agree, the Zeros are powerful once you master them. But that's where it stops for Japan. It is the one and only thing that doesn't suck for Japan, as it's mediocre in every other aspect of the game
@@Kentai_Shimakazethe A6M2’s, A6M3 are the only zeros worth a damn, the M3 mod 22 is iffy, the mod 22 Ko/A6M5/A6M6 are worthless, once you hit the A6M5 you have the A7M1/M2 at the same BR that outclasses the zero in every respect so basically, don’t bother with anything after the M3
@@Thud105D A bunch of yapping. A6M5 Ko single-handedly carried my f2p journey of grinding tanks helis and jets for Japan, even back when their 20mm shots were nerfed to be unusable, tho now I have quit. If you can't make things work with the Ko, then that's a straight up lack of skill.
@@Kentai_Shimakaze that’s just my opinion, I got the A7M1 instead of the Ko so idk how exactly the Ko handles, I’m basing my opinion of it on the TT A6m5s
@@Thud105D I never used those planes like the A7M1 really. In my experience they aren't as 100% Japanese style to in the way they fly, roll, control and how much ammo they have. Sure they shred even tanks, but are no fun/challenge for me.
Next video would be, why gajin loves Russia😂
Do the USA next please! 🙏🏽
What do you mean you guys literally get everything.
@@yourfavoritejojo5235 play the American tree lol, played it for years, you don’t get “everything”, Soviets rule top tier ground rn, america gets gimped in a lot of ways so the Soviets can still do good, but otherwise they get a lot (as one of the largest producing nations in the world in ww2 and onward, I think it makes sense)
@@LewisB3217 yeah but it doesnt make sense to do a video on any of the big three consider the theme of the videos he did was about problems with minor nations
Gaijin seems to hate a lot of countries
British will have more planes or tanks Rank 3 Rank 4 boats please let let make a video please if something new for British rule Germany
So wait, Canadian you want Japan to be absolutley empty???
Ja 'who ...........