And still nobody has ever seen. If you can't prove the existance of the most powerful being to ever exist he ain't real or is he just really good at hide and seek 😂 just because you're a coward and want it to be true doesn't mean it is and without proof it isn't and it never will be. Every single argument from a believer amounts to"i don't know so god" ignorance is bliss but it's also just ignorant
@seanpittaway5341 why do you assume that the one who created us wants to make himself known to us?I'm sorry you feel that way, friend. I would argue that it takes more courage to believe in something you can't see or prove. I'm sorry but I think you miss the whole point of faith. It's not very kind to call people names who don't believe what you believe. God bless!!
@@jonathancamposeco7286 Your scripter holds as much weight as a kids story. Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall, Humpty Dumpty had a great fall; All the king's horses and all the king's men Couldn't put Humpty together again. There you go. Now base your whole life on that.
Imagine, sitting in the comfort of your home thousands of miles away, and then being "transported" to one of the leading universities to watch and listen to some of the greatest minds debate. The internet is a wonderful thing.
The internet can be useful, but overall it has caused anguish --- everywhere I travel, I only see prisoners, captured by it - the answer is to go back to the internet at home, at a desktop and throw away the phone _ remote controller
@@Sednas Point is, that's a massive leap to call someone a hypocrite, and 99% of the population would be guilty of hypocrisy if your method was just. You're a hypocrite for saying Christians assume God exists when you assume (given you believe in history) that Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle existed. All that was left of them was writing. You have to assume, on some level, that nobody was trying to make up these philosophical characters through writing. Such historical figures are never certain, but the key is to treat them all the same, from an unbiased view. We all assume. Assumptions are made everyday, but some are more ridiculous than others, like when you assumed that OP wouldn't appreciate freedom of speech if there were atheists in the video, which there clearly are, and moreso throughout Oxford University.
Open debate at Oxford Is just that for now but certain deceivers and ruthless men are desperately trying to silence debate and inquiry into things they seek to keep away from public scrutiny.Keep your eyes open and watch what laws are being drafted from certain pressure groups,you will soon find out who truly rules over society, a bunch of base criminals ,the same ones who funded and ran the Bolshevik revolution and they are eager to stamp out open debate especially when the facts presented oppose their goals
@@Sednas And I'm meaning to say that you assumed he was a Christian for admiring freedom of expression. Now I'm going to assume that you wouldn't be saying "I bet you wouldn't be saying the same if the subject of the video was a Christian" if the original poster was saying he admired the freedom of speech under a video where an atheist was arguing his point.
spaghetti monster chronicles pg 368 paragraph 4 says: they'll dismiss you as a troll despite you trying to show them the truth. Worry not, but continue to spread my word!
Who doesn't call upon God when faced with death? Even Antoine Lavey, founder of Church of Satan, did so on his death bed. Atheists imagine they are so self-sufficient until it is too late. God does exist. Even satan knows that even though he presents himself as God to those who follow him.
OxfordUnion: Has an intellectial yet respectful and coherent debate UA-cam comments: Theists and Atheists debunked each other 100 times with paragraphs as long as the Bible itself, ultimately resorting to insulting each other for existing *And that is why they are up there in Oxford, and we are down here, in a pointless comment section*
His five arguments timestamped: 0:28 Science requires the existence of God (A lawgiver being a condition for law in nature) 3:57 Logic thinking requires the existence of God (A brain having evolved only out of survival not being a reliable source of reason) 6:45 Morality requires the existence of God (A person only being more than just matter and having a fundamental value if God exists) 8:47 Meaning in life requires the existence of God (The relationship with him being the goal of life) 12:30 Hope for ultimate justice requires the existence of God (A judgement after death only being possible through Jesus Christ)
Al arguments you list, are just made up falsehoods with no evidence preached by Lennox. 1. Science exists on its own by the research and discoveries of scientists --- no god necessary. 2. Logical thinking clearly shows that no evidence exists for any god. 3. Morality is a social construct, all different from society to society --- no god involved. 4. The meaning of life is determined by each individual for him/herself --- no god is needed. 5. Justice is a relative term: No evidence exists for life after death or for any Jesus.
The greatest that ever lived; He had no servants, yet they called Him Master. He had no degree, yet they called Him Teacher. He had no medicines, yet they called Him Healer. He had no army, yet Kings feared Him. He won no military battles, yet He conquered the world. He had no crime, yet they crucified Him. He had no need, yet He forgave them as they mocked. He was buried in a tomb, yet He lives today. His name is Jesus Christ and He is the Saviour of the world.
If a person that later came to be known as Jesus did actually exist then he was a Jewish carpenter and possibly a lovely guy but to give him the ability to create the entire universe and make him all powerful over everything and everyone is as stupid as it sounds.
@Chait Singh @worldgonemad the big bang theory totally goes against scientific law. Cause and effect. You can't see air, but know it's there. Someone else can't hear your thoughts, but you know they're there.wifi signals are invisible, but if you turn off your router Internet disappears. Your finger prints are unlike any other person on Earth. You'd be totally arrogant to think you could understand the universe with a human mind. You know your soul exists because it differs from others. The evidence you shout is the same as every other athiest. The Bible is the most historically accurate book, or document of all time. More than any other book ever. You can even Google that. Also I bet there's been a time in your life when you've felt desperate that you've said please God. The book has remained accurate through all plauges, the Holocaust, and every other mass genocide. Look at all the near death experiences. A lot of them who are doctors, scientist, and many other science believing athiest, who died go to hell, and find Jesus. Some instances they're dead for hours, or days. They had nothing to gain from these things, actually they could only lose from them. Some have lost marriage that was over 20 years. Quit high paying pristigious careers. You're very foolish and close minded to think this is it. Miracles happen everyday science can't explain. It is your job to look with an open mind for your self. If you open the Bible and read you can literally feel the holy spirit. Also it makes total sense the government puts flouride in our water. The Bible talks about our pinial glad being our way to Jesus. Flouride in the water literally attacks our spirit molecule. This makes total sense to me that the devil is very near, and if he could would banish the Bible for ever. Many countries have banned the Bible. In China they're tearing down Christian churches as we speak. Stop listening to the science put out by your lobbyist governments. Did you know that 70% of what independent studies show doffer from government funded ones. You sir can trust in The FDA who puts cancerous things like red 40, and yellow 5 in everything. Did you know that the FDA gets over 70% of it's GDP from big pharma? So they allow these things to poison you, and then give you vaccines with all kinds of harmful materials in them. Right now 5G is killing all kinds of birds, and bees. Monsanto is currently working on creating a genetically modified bee that only will pollinate there gmo foods. Also 70% of independent studies show 5G frequencies manipulate your thyroid into allowing harmful toxins to pass the blood brain barrier. This is no work of man alone. This has been a plan since the beginning of time. Do me a favor and look up what agenda 21 is. Then also cross reference it with the most historically accurate book of all time. The Bible. 100 years ago most people were God fearing Christian's. Did you also know that in the 1980s over 60 different companies owned the rights to media, and today it's just 6 families that put out the news. Go do some research of the FCC, and how the leader of it is chairman Ajit Pai, an ex Verizon wireless telecommunication attorney. Obama said there would be no lobbyist in his administration, and he was the first person elected into the FCC. You watch as agenda 21, and the rest of the events of the rapture become true. What's funny is last year I said the same things you're saying right here. Then I watched a documentary on UA-cam called frankenskies proved to me the devil is very real, and everything I ever thought to be true was a lie. I hope you find jesus, because he's very real, and if you allow him to come into your heart he will forgive you, just as he had mine. I know it, because I can feel it, and now I'm doing these things to help people like you. I have nothing to gain from this, and feel much ridicule, but it's worth it, because I know for a fact it exists.
I absolutely do!!! “They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator-who is forever praised. Amen. Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts.” Romans 1:25-26 Praise Him who is worthy to be praised 🙏🏾 Praise His holy name 🙏🏾
Paul wrote a lot of rubbish, this is one of them. Even in his time the Greek and the Romans, the Egyptians, the Persians - i.e. the people Paul may have known - worshipped gods, not created things. The idea that because of idol worship people became gay is so stupid, that I do not cease to wonder how can Christians take it to be true. The absolute majority of pagans and atheists are straight, and a lot of people who "worship the creator" are gay.
Yes, we know. The book with the talking donkey and the man who lived inside of a fish says it is foolish to demand evidence for one's beliefs. Got anything else?
Nick Jones People will believe what they want to believe and will openly talk about it. I myself am not an atheist, but I am willing to respect the opinions of others such as yourself. :p
I became a Christian at age 34. I was spiritual all my life, and my mother did her best to guide me, but my father was not around. It took me a long time to return to my father (in heaven and on earth) but once I did it felt amazing! This video feels so important. Being a Chrisitan became uncool and even bad somehow in America. What a shame.
@@rolfme5499A foolish assumption and belief. All you atheists claim death is the end but have no proof of that unless you experience it your self. Yet you say God cannot exist and say we can't prove his physical existence and that we only rely on faith but what you band of hypocrites forget to realize is your form of faith is that death is our end and nothing happens after therefore you believe in something you can't prove unless you actually experience it and see that truth. I guess it comes down to , I guess we will see who is laughing on the other end.
@@badideass Given that I believe in Jesus I genuinely want everybody to be saved, and I dont want to feel I didn't try to help anybody. I Sincerely hope you find Christ while God The Father graciously offers him to us. Good luck
@@friendyadvice2238 well you seem friendly. I highly doubt I'll ever believe in the Jesus story. Being saved in this sense means nothing to me, again I would have to believe in the story for which I do not. Hope you have a great day, stay safe!
@@thefirsttime7759 - “Who is this that darkens my counsel with words without knowledge?” “Brace yourself like a man; I will question you and you will answer me.” “Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation? Tell me if you understand.” “Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know?” “Who stretched a measuring line across it?” “On what were its footings set, or who laid its cornerstone?”
@@christbanner3219 and you're a fn religious nut now go away and get down on those well calloused knees and mumble you're mumbo-jumbo for my poor lost soul just do it quietly, I've heard enough jesus freak bullshit to last me the rest of my life amen
He’s such a jolly man. I love listening to his debates and speeches. God truly works through this man. I’m grateful for John Lennox, he’s taught me a tremendous amount of knowledge
I'm just finding out about him. After speeding through some of Chuck Missler's talks and watching Jordan Peterson reason to his, I'm glad to find another wonderful Christian professor with such profound outspokenness. I will definitely be checking out more of Mr. Lennox.
@@sukwarsiemanym You mean the nutty professor?! Perhaps when he is in a care home you would like to be the one who wipes his arse, think about it the supernatural designer thought i will design people to shit and get someone else to clean the shit up, why doesn't god send down a couple of angels to clean up his shit? Reason they don't want to get shit on their hands. If you ever have a wet fart in public you will realize the notion of an intelligent is ridiculous, so have you ever had wet fart? if so did you enjoy it?
@@padruigmacrodain Is his (and your?) believe in god an offshoot of hundreds of other proclaimed gods? Or is his (and your?) god the only TRUE God, and all the rest are fakes? Do you fear the finality of death. After all, you had no conception of existence before you were conceived, so why fear no existence after death? You had no concept of reality before you were born and there is none after you die. There may, of course, be some legacy you leave after your death. Children perhaps. Intellectual properties, perhaps an invention or a unique process you leave to the benifit of humanity? Who knows? But the fact is you are irredeemable dead. You have no consciousness after death any more than you had before you were conceived.
@Michael who says those Gods didn't exist? I for one, believe they did do. They just were the kind of Gods who espoused selfishness and narcissism as opposed to the Christisn God whose entire life was a model of self-sacrifice which is why I would worship him and not some celestial playboy like Zeus and his cohorts.
"This World may be a poor example to serve as a prove for God, but the mind that can realize this is a good example of God's existence." - Alexander S. Schreiber
@@2l84me8 So you believe that spirit arises from dead matter, you surely have experimental proof of this? No, of course you don't, you just believe that.
"We are still too rational, too this-worldly, and too individualistic to submit to naked tyranny. We are still being protected by the fading remnants of our Enlightenment heritage." -Leonard Peikoff-1986
@@2l84me8Actually a higher intelligence is required to program the DNA in cells to produce a practical structure (aka the brain) to utilize those chemicals and synapses. Unless you’re saying that it is more reasonable to believe that something came from nothing rather than something came from a creator.
This wasn't the strongest speech I've seen Lennox (or anybody) give for why God exists. But there is a great subtlety to what Lennox was doing that most commentators here seem to have missed. They complain that he did not provide any scientific or mathematical evidence, completely missing that Lennox has end-run around that by arguing that 1) the existence of God is the only reason that the universe is rationally intelligible, and 2) God is a personal being and therefore we encounter Him most profoundly not through rational argument but through personal relationship. Lennox wasn't attempting to provide scientific evidence for God. He was challenging the epistemological assumptions of materialistic atheism. He said it right at the end: these are my reasons for why God should be trusted. Not merely that God exists, but why God is trustworthy to be in relationship with.
So saith all Buddhists, Jains and Indigenous peoples, among so many others. You do know that the "Gospel" was written by people, translated countless times, evolved through many forms. So this "Word of God" bit is quite a stretch.
"I am primarily the creator of a new code of morality which has so far been believed impossible, namely a morality not based on faith, not on arbitrary whim, not on emotion, not on arbitrary edict, mystical or social, but on reason; a morality that can be proved by means of logic which can be demonstrated to be true and necessary." -Ayn Rand-
Regrading the problem of sin and evil, Charles Taze Russell presents eloquently the motive God allowed this in the first volume of Studies in the Scriptures, chapter 7.
@@tomward2688 From an outsider perspective, really telling that you quite clearly only dislike him because he is a theist. Einstein was no religious nut, nor was he an atheist, he makes that clear. Should we call him stupid for that? Lennox knows far more about the sciences than you do, random bullshitter in a comment section. You're nothing like a scientist. By your logic, a scientist who believes in aliens, or the many ultimately impossible ideas about universes - i.e. parallel universes - is stupid, nothing like a scientist just because of that. WHo gives a damn about anything else about them, because they believe in absolutely anything further than their noses they are fools, right?
@@seetsamolapo5600 therefore, should people also believe in Zeus? Why don't Christians believe in Allah? Christianity has blotted out other religions inside their ground, like Greco-Roman Ploytheism, and tried the same with Protestantism
God in fact does exist but he is not classified into a gender, in our cosmos, our universe. There could be other forms of life, a manifestation of the ultimate being of god. If god were to choose our circumstances we would be void of the sun collapsing, dark matter entitling our whole universe, and we would experience heaven as we know it. So I believe that god is an entity to all beings in the cosmos and is not judged by a single gender since he is the entity. Other aliens might have beliefs like this too, but it is a manifestation of god. God does not only help us, but helps the other intelligent life out in the cosmos, the cosmos is a fast thing and it passes on. Technology can improve and check our standards for any existence of life out there.
So eloquently elaborated and beautifully presented with humble attitude. In return, I myself am humbled by the words that the Professor John Lennox spoke.
@@Netomp51 What business is it of yours? Anyway, FWIW, they're long dead. And another thing, that's a rather stupid question; it suggests the questioner's poor grasp of epistemology.
There are many videos in YT asking the question, "Does God Exist ?" but don`t allow comments. I will not listen to such videos. If I`m not allowed the courtesy of replying I don`t see why I should give those videos my time. Naturally this is not one of those videos.
You're not at the debate, so your comments to the speaker aren't actually going to the speaker, so they are for your venting. I will watch videos with disabled comments if I'm looking to hear someone's teaching or argument against or support of a position. To learn. Sometimes, disabling comments is wise to keep trollish comments off the page. :)
@@mirschultz9761 Hello sir. Please don't poison the well. Please don't use loaded words like venting anymore. Thank you for your understanding and cooperation! Peace!
I am in no way an academic, but I thoroughly enjoy the Oxford Union because it gives attention to both sides of an issue without discrimination. All the best!
Wow, this speech by John is undoubtedly one of his best! Such a unique blend of humility and brilliance, coupled with a common-sense approach. He's not just a scholar, but also a humble man of faith, and a great friend! 🙌🎩📚 #JohnLennox #InspiringSpeaker #HumbleAndBrilliant
So one "God" requires praying a certain number of times per day, while kneeling on a carpet and the other requires you to drink wine and bread at the right time. One requires women to be dressed "modestly" because men can't help themselves and the other has a pope and an intricate hierarchy of priests.Both happily kill the other in the name of their God. God bless "faith". @@sukwarsiemanym
Why a male figure? Is uour god limited by gender? Is there a female Al-Lat? I would have thought that a truly omnipotent god would exist in a realm beyond gender or human concept of form. This omnipotent god would know all and be beyond any simplistic reassurances of faith in the form of prayer, sacrifice or similar. Are you buying this beings favour with simplistic rituals? Really?@Hasha-on1pq
The problem isn't God. The problem is...... The people furthest from God(Religions) claim to know him, while the people closest to God(Scientists) don't even believe he's there.
@@TheDeepState2001 Death came through sin. Rather than asking why did God create cancer, the better question is why did God give man the ability to have freewill and to choose Him or reject Him? In reality cancer is not bad if you do not believe in God because you die anyways. Now in you there is a will to live all human beings have it, no one wants to die. Christ died for our sins on the cross and through Him we can have eternal life.
@@TheDeepState2001 Pain is a mystery: asking us, christians why God created cancer is foolish because no one really knows why pain exists, but we do know it's in our nature because even the son of God, Jesus, who was the purest man alive experienced suffering in its most painful way, therefore we must assume suffering is part of human nature.
"God is not distant from our human suffering, but (by Jesus Christ dying on the cross) has become part of it." So profound. Takes the question of suffering to one of an unthinkable level.
If one considers the notion of a god as only a concept representative of various emotional rantings, I would agree completely. However, a review of the idea of a suffering Jesus is absurd if one considers the nature of what some claim... An entity that has been around forever and is everywhere....the depiction is infinitesimally less than a pinprick...
Adrian De Abreu thing is with being a scapegoat is it doesn’t absolve anyone of anything they’ve done wrong anyway. It just means someone else takes the punishment for it.
@@samuelk2621 People like Lennox are all pretty much the same, reasonably intelligent, articulate, good debating skills and thrive on the attention they receive. They take full advantage of those skills to push their agenda and persuade you to their way of thinking. Just read this thread to see the kind of influence and persuasive power that people like Lennox command.
@virgil well offhand it appears that Lennox has done all right for himself. Except that his prophet said something about having no possessions and having to offend our family in order to follow him.
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic. He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on. The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north. In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin" The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind" The sun is "The light of the World" The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea. "He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays. Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo. The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass. The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12. The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30. The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes. The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected. The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe. In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens. ..
@Nathan Nitai Das What’s more believable? That the Jesus story is a rehash of Astro fables or that some dude was actually born of a virgin and is the son of the Hebrew god. Well, I spoke to Zeus and he assures me that Yahweh is fake and that the Greeks are the real “chosen people”.
@@Gamefan86 Yeah no. 25th of December was the date of a Roman holliday, and when Christianity became a staple, they simply used the same holliday, changing the celebration to the Birth of Christ. Highly doubt from an outsider's observing perspective that Jesus's followers in the 1st Century C.E. were really worshipping the Sun and turned him into a man only later on. Half of those lines require a lot of biased approval of your ideas to believe them. May as well say that about a lot of the other world religions too.
@@Gamefan86 "The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north." -This is a really big push, and from an outsider persepctive knowing the reality of why Christmas is on December 25th - coming long after Jesus - this is a definite no, because this came long after Jesus. "The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind"".... convincing line? "The sun is "The light of the World" The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea. "He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays. Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo." ^All this aren't too believable by anyone else, and seem to be put there just to add extra lines. Crown of thorns is the Halo..... huh? "The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes." The funny bit about this is that real crucifixion in the 1st Century wouldn't have been on a cross as we think of it; which debunks this whole idea. If you go back in time, and actually saw Jesus's execution or that of anyone else in that century, it wouldn't have been on a cross. This is veriable, you can find evidence for what I've said. Over half of this requires the person reading to have little knowledge of history or take the specific things mentioned at face value.
@@Gamefan86 You deceive yourself. Yes, 12 is symbolic all through the bible. 12 tribes, 12 stones 12 disciples, oh and there is 12 notes in music. The symbol 12 came from God , not man. The sun was created by God actually Jesus. 1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning-the first day. John 1:1-5 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it. The word is another term for Jesus. You can make those correlations but that its more because of Jesus being real and they are a refection of him, not the other way around. Truth is If you look at the sun you can destroy your eyes. If you look to Jesus your eyes (mind) are opened. Anything that gets too close to the sun is destroyed whereas with Jesus you will have eternal life.. Actually Christianity is branched out from the Jewish faith. Jesus was of Jewish faith, He referred himself as the vine and hid followers the branches Most religions even acknowledge his existence. Jesus had lived, not is symbolic. God of the Jews is the God of the Christians. The Messiah is prophesied in the Old Testament/ Torah, written way before Jesus day. He fulfilled them all. The Jews will dispute that. Why would they dispute about a man being the long awaited Messiah if did not exist? No one has disputed his existence. The Jews could. It would be to there benefit of their faith. Do your research like Lee Strobel did.
what about the millions of helpless children who suffer and die every year from starvation, dehydration, natural disasters, terminal illness, etc? apparently those children are not worthy of God's blessings according to his waistline, Professor Lennox seems to be eating very well... so I guess you could potentially say that your prayer was answered
Theres enough land in the world to grow foods there should be no starving kids but when we die we live 4 ever in pardise with our cteator. There are thousands of Christians going to these countries to give foog and medicine and spread jesus name its getting better but we are to help and support our charities we have free will and we choose to help through gods grace
@@HoichiTheEarless if you want them to be blessed then go and help them. When Jesus ascended to the Father he left his Holy Spirit on earth so we could continue the work that Christ started on earth. When Christian aid workers go to help those in need they are showing love and care in the way that Jesus would and therefore blessing them. Love one another, take care of one another until Jesus comes back and he is coming back soon, that day will be the beginning of the end to all suffering.
@@HoichiTheEarless the bible cleary states that this is never what god intended and that when when adam and eve ate of the fruit, evil was introduced, god warned them not to, so if your going tonblame someone blame the one that deceived adam and eve
Hoichi The Earless it’s not Gods fault that many innocent children are starving and are born with sickness Why should you blame God for something it didn’t do
@@Joy-ii4ln wait beacuse im confused are you trying to say that theres no God Or you are trying to insult me or i just didnt understand the comment (I am Christian)
Falsify: Religion is a funny thing. I'm on here, as an atheist, in an attempt to better understand theism. How many theists attempt to educate themselves on a different position to that of 'God made everything?' The trouble with religion is that it cannot falsify itself. There's nothing to work with. If we found a black polar bear, the statement, "all polar bears are white" would be falsified. This is the very basic nature of science. Always looking to prove itself wrong. When you can no longer prove anything to be wrong in a particular field, you've got a good chance, not a definite certainty, that you're correct. All religion cannot do this. It's impossible. Omniscient and free will: Please can someone help me with my faith? I'm struggling. If God is omniscient, eternal and omnipresent, how could he have free will too? As in, if he knows exactly what will happen at any point in time, then how can he have free will to make any choice? I'm not God therefore I might have beef for my dinner, but I could change my mind. If all events are laid out already and God knows what they are before they happen, how can he have any choice in the matter?
I’ve been scrolling down the comments section, and I wanna say something real quick to anyone who may or may not have seen the way I’ve replied: 1: I am NOT an atheist. I am religious, and have been for a long time. 2: Despite having faith, I STILL RESPECT OTHERS’ OPINIONS. I can’t stand the judging replies to non-religious commenters. Sure, you might not believe the non-religious comments, but that doesn’t mean you should put them down. 3: PEOPLE HAVE THEIR OWN OPINIONS. This ties in with what I just said, and I seriously can’t stress this enough. I’m not defending or condemning any commenters, but PEOPLE WILL STILL BELIEVE WHAT THEY BELIEVE. JUST RESPECT OTHERS’ OPINIONS. Just a little something I wanted to say. Thanks for reading! :p edit: didn’t realize my comment would actually start a discussion! anyway, my point still stands, pls don’t be rude to atheists or theists because that’s just stupid :)
I agree on you with all points. But it is mostly the atheist who put down theist by saying that we're dumb. Or getting arrogant thinkging of themselves that they are to intelligent to believe in a God. And me, as a believer, i see that they have a standpoint which offends God. I know that their chance of getting into heaven shrinks if they continue to live their ignorant lifes... so i often try to open their eyes. But they never understand, they say "i don't believe in fairytailes" offending God even more, putting God down as a fairytaile, as a joke. But still i never lose my patience, because anger is a tool of ghe devil and not in God's favor. I think we the believers must hold together, no matter if jew, christian or muslim. In the end those are all abrahamic religions who all praise the same God, they only refer to different books, which all came from God in different times to bring us down to the right path everytime faith faded away.
Atheism inevitably leads to nihilism, which is an unpleasant worldview, and this is why they resort to the attacks. Even though they don't believe, I suspect that deep down, having no eternal truth and no connecting to a greater mystical body is unsettling.They can't or won't believe using logic, so the gut reaction is to lash out. I was an atheist for 40 years. I get it.
"Since man is not omniscient or infallible, you have to discover what you can claim as knowledge and how to prove the validity of your conclusions." -Ayn Rand-
I have a chilling feeling that it all comes down to this " Who do you say I am? " We want answers. We can't have them. Believe or not, it's still faith. No one knows. But if the God of the universe asked that question, it implies that in some strange way, the only answer the almighty is interested in is the one that can't be proven.
@@angusmacangus3181 watched the whole thing, it was painful ( do you believe in your eyes or do you believe in what I'm telling you to believe? ) kind of debate. John Lennox might as well be telling you to believe in fairies or unicorns the debate would be the same.
It's funny how the concept of nothing is never fully comprehended. For nothing to truly be nothing it not only must be devoid of not just matter but concept as well, and here in lay the problem. the moment nothing is associated with something, it ceases to be nothing by association so there for there is no such a thing as nothing. everything is something.
ADAM YOUNG The ninth century theist Scotus Erigena alleged God existed as something. Said God was also claimed to be nothing, because the God was not an object. A superposition, I guess, at least, for good old Scot. In maths, there is the concept of a null, which cannot be placed on a number line.
1. If the universe needs a Cause to exist, why doesn't God? 2. If god can exist with out cause. Why can't the universe? 3. Aren't we taking the rules of the universe, applying them to a time before the universe, where they may not apply?
1- Becuase he's god! Duh-uh! I've defined him not needing a cause, therefore he doesn't! It's really simple logic YoU aThEiStS deny in your sin. 2- Because the universe isn't god, you silly! 3- God can make it with magic. /s EDIT: I made this for humor, but than I red a message for real claiming just that... sometime comments can make one hope for humankind so low, oh! so low.
The third of your questions is probably the most difficult one for theists to properly answer. We have no reason to believe that an environment which pre-existed the universe should in any way resemble the universe. If cause-effect relations are constitutive of the universe, to the extent where the latter can be defined as the totality of all such relations, it is reasonable to believe that they did not pre-date the universe but rather were themselves a product, but of this is the case it follows that the universe cannot be an effect, which indicates that it does not have a cause. However, we could go one step further and ask whether cause-effect relations are even something we find in the universe, or whether they’re something we project onto it (e.g. in order to get around what David Hume identified as the problem of ‘constant conjunction’ in which we can only say that event b came after event a, and not that b was *caused* by a).
Whether we take theistic position or atheistic position, we agree on one thing that something can exist without a cause. Theistic position is God is the first with no cause and creator. Atheistic position is something else is the beginning like universe. So the real question is who it is? Is He God? Or is it the Universe. What makes more sense? Another important question is what is Universe according to you? Is Univers pre big bang or something post big bang?
@@seekhoarseekhao7196 "we agree on one thing that something can exist without a cause" It's not really that we agree on that. And I speak for me, I can't do that for ALL atheists. What I agree with is we can't eliminate possibilities and therefore declare one over the other being true, there could be possibilities we don't know and perhaps possibilities we will never know. And what I agree with is we are still applying mechanics valid in the universe but we don't really know if they are a property appliable as a general principle. "Theistic position is God is the first with no cause and creator. Atheistic position is something else is the beginning like universe" Not only that, for that reason you should refrain from applying principle to "atheists" thinking as a monolith. For example, there's the possibility "beginning of the universe" makes no sense, like asking wht's north of northpole. "So the real question is who it is? Is He God? Or is it the Universe. What makes more sense?" Why it has to be a "who"? Why are you burdening your question assuming an agent? The real question is HOW it worked out, not WHO did it, and not if it makes sense to me: it doesn't really HAVE to. "Another important question is what is Universe according to you? Is Univers pre big bang or something post big bang?" Usually, but better ask because one can't really know, one refers to "universe" as the current iteration of the big bang and to "cosmo" as whatever the universe is in + the universe itself, or, in other words, all that exists.
Professor John Lennox is top on the list of Christian Apologists I listen to. He communicates the present and ultimate preeminence of Christ in the most personal way.
@Chase Williams John Lennox was a student of C S Lewis according to his statements. There is quite a number of other Christian Apologists like him. However, I have noticed that being a convinced Christian is deeper than logical defence of the gospel. For almost all the Apologists and other Christians, there's a personal experience that unfetters the heart and brings the divinity and finished work of Christ His love into an overwhelming comprehension.
@Chase Williams Hello it is now that you are asking this genuine question that I realise I have listened to many of them without necessarily following them. So each time I come across one and listen to them again I will share with you if it is okay. I wasn't born a Muslim but I am very familiar with the religion. My dad was one before he became a Christian. This guy is one of the Apologists I respect. ua-cam.com/video/O9rcFduex1Q/v-deo.html
@@olufemiadeleye9462I agree. Its amazing watching these men of God speak. I am truly at a loss for words. I recently stumbled across Mr. Lennox by accident from an interview with Mr. Kirk Cameron and after watching a lot of talks from Mr. Chuck Missler, I was looking for my new UA-cam search. If you have any other recommendations for individuals who speak in a similar way, I'd be interested in learning more. God bless!!
@@oil_can I am convinced that Atheism is Hopelessness, they appear to be so bland and tasteless, they Believe in nothing... While with GOD and Faith, Life has meaning every positive thing you can think of.
Same here. After going through a lot of Chuck Missler's talks, I was looking for a new UA-cam search and I happened upon Mr. Lennox. I look forward to watching more. God bless!!
A friend of mine who was very healthy and staunch oppose to the Christian who used to keep mocking during our school days was found lean, pale and dried physic at a Christian Prayer center. I was shock to see first him being in such physical conditions and him being at Christian prayer center. I asked him whats gotten him in such physical condition and why he being there. Low tone voice nearly whispering, he said that he was suffering from incurable diseases and that doctor has surrendered him. That's why he was in prayer center fasting. There are many who challenged the existence of God and power of super being at first and later turned into God's staunch servant after having encountered the life threatening incidents. One will find mostly such people in Christian ministry. On the basis of science and our mental faculty reasoning ability, we can make certain conclusion and proposition but there's something really beyond our own control if that's called God in every religion. That's what my life taught me.
abang ambu so no disrespect at all, but lots and lots and lots of people can turn to fasting as a wonderful healing practice without having to adopt a religion to go along with it. Religions don’t own, or even trademarked fasting. You know? That’s just how I understand your comment, when I just now read it.
maybe your friend just "fasted' too much and THAT was contributing to his physical condition. If he said he was dying, I sort of have to take his word for it, but frankly ALL OF US are dying. It's just really a question of "HOW SOON" and by what means. My dad and my brother died that way. Neither one became christians over it. they just did the best they could to face their fate. My dad was not religious but self-identified as vaguely-"protestant" when pressed to say. My brother was a fairly devout buddhist.
And many who devoutly believe and later lose faith. Your point? Your friend did not cope well with his imminent death and grasped at straws. I am facing several life-threatening conditions, facing two operations in upcoming months and I do not beieve in God and haven't believed in Jesus since I was 17 or God since I was 23. (I'm almost 62.) If your friend proves God, how do those who lose faith or continue to disbelieve on their very deathbed not disprove him. My point is your anedoctal "evidence" is evidence of nothing.
Yes people do turn to whatever they can when life hits them hard. That doesn’t give what they turned to any validity. it only proves the human desire for comfort even if it means that comfort comes form something that isn’t real.
A force you've never seen, a being that has no independent tangible evidence, a being that requires "belief" rather than understanding, I could go on. Just because you can't see it, smell it, taste it, touch it, hear it, sense it in anyway, doesn't mean it exists. Don't confuse mass hysteria with proof. Don't confuse a book written by humans, translated many many times, revised many times, to be proof of anything.
@@user-re2xl3qo7mNo he is being straight forward all Lenox did was reuse the most basic arguments ever I don't know therefore my God who is wrong all the time and quoting famous people
@@TotalAnalyst2 You nor the person I commented to could refute any of his arguments, only stating them to be false or making statements that are irrelevant to the video at hand. You could at least try to refute something, anything at all, but no, in this refusal to argue any of his points you shield yourself from the truth like I already stated
Praying for you man. Your own intellectualism is clouding your vision. Even if you remain an atheist forever, your morality will always be determined by Judeo-Christian ethics. And you will still face your Creator when you pass. That shadow will always hang over you
Strange how those who deny the existance of God will at the same time accept that 'intellegent life must exist elsewhere in the universe'. They also will agree that we only have very limited knowledge of what we experience in our three dimensional world and that physical matter may only be a tiny part of what else exists. As Socrates said "All I know is that I do NOT know"
@scoobihu1090 You're being semantical because you cannot refute his claims. What do you gain from this correction but a short hit of dopamine in the midst of confusion and anger? Why do you willfully rebuke those who (if they truly believe what they are taught) would give up their lives for you to find their peace, their slice of Heaven?
@scoobihu1090 Who said anything about reading minds? Your argument lacks any substance against what he had to say. You're just contradicting them for the sake of it. Why?
@scoobihu1090 I'm lost. You pointed out a fourth dimension (not spatial like the other three observable ones) to try and correct this man, and you're claiming that you are 'pointing out logical fallacies'? My friend, your argument lacks coherence. I want to understand what you're trying to say, but your stance is unorthodox.
@scoobihu1090 Yes. I'm saying that you're being semantical and dragging things on that are purposeless. Who cares if he only refers to the three dimensions of space without mentioning time? His point is just as clear!
@@calvin6879 Yeah I'm with you on that, I like evolution too. That was sarcasm by the way, but please don't tell me you think the Bible offers more evidence over evolution? If so, perhaps you can explain how despite religion claiming that the world is only anything from six to nine thousand years old, animal and human bones and fossils far older than that have been discovered on Earth and we won't even mention dinosaurs at this point either!
@@amazed66 Evidently you are ignorant of the absolute joke that is carbon and radiometric dating. Those have been disproved years ago but the anti God Athiest still cling to them for dear "life". You are also obviously ignorant of the many verses in The Bile that 100% have to be God inspired because the context of the verses were not discovered by man until thousands of years after they were written. Examples being Atoms, earth's free float in space, life being in the blood (aka blood lose will kill you), washing your hands in running water, the water and wind cycles, ocean currents, atomic bombs and tanks eluded to in Revelations...... but yes, please do continue to look like the oh so typical Athiest jackass
@alistair watt it's possible however that the irish and the brits might still find something ELSE to fight about. Some of them have been known to actually get along however.
Peter: "For we did not follow cleverly devised stories when we told you about the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ in power, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty".
@@adityahegde4560 This is one of the most popular arguments there is against the New Testament. "The Apostles made everything up". But that argument completely falls apart when you take into account the fact that intentionally writing something down that wasn't true was completely unknown at the time.
@@adityahegde4560 And if you're actually using the argument that it was all created by some kid; well, that's even more unintelligent. No child back then could of never written in such a fluent, and comprehensive way. Read Paul's letter to the church, you'd be suprised at how great of a writer Paul was.
In a world of evil, is it better that love be a possibility? or that it remain impossible? No matter what levels of evil we see; love still has the power to prevail. God Is love.
@Margie Smith How is it so that "I only see evil"? Are you speaking to an overall image you've had given to you? Also, if it were true, then Richard Dawkins would be right in that Hitler was just dancing to the rhythm of his own DNA. How could any of us have decided that he should be stopped? And then, which one is more right or more wrong? Hitler or stopping Hitler?
@Margie Smith Or stopping the 100 million+ slaughtered in the 20th century from anti theists rule dominating throughout? From abortion, to Death camps, Gulags, Killing fields, Communist China (1921) It comes down to an overall ethical issue. Your "right" and "wrong" isn't subjective as you wish.. Everyone is benevolent, until something happens to be annoying them.
I find it interesting that the debate he describes with his atheist friends sound like the debates I have with mine. The spiritual is the spiritual no matter what our education. Love John Lennox.
"We need a philosophy of reason and of rational self-interest, a philosophy that would once again release the power of man’s mind and the energy inherent in his pursuit of happiness. Nothing less will save America or individual rights." -Leonard Peikoff-1986
I’ve watched the counter argument and I’m 10 minutes in and he’s talking in circles making no real factual statements to back up his argument. He’s stating opinions and using big words. This what I mean. Whenever I watch a debate of a person stating how God is real they never really say HOW and can never provide evidence and/or research as to how their theory is factual which then makes it merely an opinion
This is my testimony of how God got my attention supernaturally ua-cam.com/video/eMezoh2qgRw/v-deo.html, but some of the other great evidence for Christianity is the many prophecies from the Old Testament that have been fulfilled in the New Testament. Isaiah 52:13-Isaiah 53 is a great one and tells us why Jesus would die.
Why? He's spreading non-sense and making fallacious arguments debunked more than a hundred years ago. Because he speaks eloquently and gives you hope? Persuasion by sophistry and emotion has no place in the pursuit of understanding reality.
@@takkiejakkie5458 reality is aborted children, depressed teens who are radicalized with sex and lust at very young ages, domestic abuse and father and mothers beating up their children, teenagers who dont value relationships and just go in with their insatiable desire of sexual fantasies but form no deep relationships, people who murder, society that wants to divide itself by race, gender and politics. I am sure you know that the things I have mentioned are just a few. Now tell me in all of your intelligence and reasoning. How would you overcome all these? By scientific reasoning? Trial and error?
@@takkiejakkie5458 If you will leave an emotional part of our existence aside as if emotions are some useless side-effects we experience, you will never get into the depths of reality of the universe. You have no idea how fundamentally important emotional experiences are. It is impossible to know what is good or evil, what is just and what is unjust without emotions. Everything we do we always feel. You are driven by emotions all the time, even studying science, the reason you like it is that it makes you FEEL good, it is a positive emotional experience to learn new things. When it comes to searching after God, the emotions are at the highest levels possible, humility, honesty, chastity, and modesty are must to have to be near God's presence.
I believe in God too Prof John Lennox. I believe in Jesus Christ who lived, died, and rose again after 3 days, redemption by grace through faith. May you live longer and stay stronger so you keep enlightening the minds of intellectuals. 😊🙏🏼🙌🏼😇
@@janiveija5040 , your question went unanswered, so if you will allow me, I can tell you why I believe. My belief goes well beyond the obvious that all people know, that we live in a mind-blowingly complex existence that has an impossibly balanced ecosystem in a universe that is impossibly fine-tuned in order to even exist, with natural laws that are confoundingly reliable, all created from an explosion which would naturally create chaos and destruction, but somehow created order and beauty instead. It goes beyond the staggering complexity and computer-like design of DNA. Beyond the intrinsic sense that we all have, though some successfully suppress, that there is more to this life that meets the eye. My belief that there is a God goes beyond the endless string of what could be called coincidences if taken individually, but impossible to intellectually be able to claim the full composite thereof as such. My belief goes beyond the fact that for the 19 years I have known Jesus, that every promise and claim in his word I have found in my own personal life to have been upheld and true. Beyond the fact that every prophecy that has come to pass, the Bible correctly predicted. Some attempt to deny this, none have been able to make a reasonable case for. To the contrary, many who have attempted to debunk the Bible truth and these prophecies has come out on the other side given over to Jesus. No, the primary reason that I absolutely believe to the point that I basically know that God is real is in the same way that anybody else can come to this same place. That in simply doing what I did 19 years ago, repenting of my sin, and receiving Jesus as Lord of my life in sincerity, that he in turn revealed himself to me by immediately, completely taking away the alcohol addiction that I had struggled with my entire adult life, and the depression that fed it. No coaching, no 12-step program, no hypnosis, not an ounce of willpower or effort exerted on my part. No desire for it whatsoever in all these 19 years. In that, I embarked on this 19 year relationship with him, in which he has consistently moved in ways that simply cannot be explained in the natural. Unnatural healings on my wife and kids, Supernatural blessing in my finances, guidance and direction that led to great benefit for me. And others through me.the changes in me from the fully self-absorbed man I used to be. The fulfillment and peace of mind that he gave me immediately when I received him, the night-and- day change in my life across the board. I am no one special, this is the testimony of millions of believers throughout the entire world, throughout all of time. He is no respecter of persons Jani, he loves us all the same. He is ready and willing to do the exact same for you if you just give him that opportunity. There is a plethora of evidence even more than the scratching of the surface I laid out for you in this comment. Truly, I hope with all my heart that you can find it in yourself 2 take this simple step to see for yourself that God is real, and that he loves you dearly! Take care.
@@johnboehmer6683 Im gonna ignore the first few statements which is the usual creationist mumbojumbo. "Look at the perfection, therefore god". Life is fine tuned for this planet. This planet aint fine tuned for life. And your next point which is the addiction struggle, i think you should give yourself more credit for becoming sober. You have done an amazing job with it, congratulations. I see no effort or way to measure or detect how jesus would have helped you in that. Before you attempt to use supernatural as your reason for something, you must confirm the existence of this supernatural.
@@janiveija5040 , maybe you should go back and read it again for confirmation of the supernatural... I didn't have to do a thing! This thing that I absolutely needed before I committed myself to Jesus, I instantly have absolutely no desire for on the other side of that prayer! No willpower or effort invoked whatsoever. You see, I know because it happened to me. I know that means little to you, I'm a stranger to you, it didn't happen to you. But that is why each person owes it to themself to see for themselves, that you're not chumping yourself out of eternal Paradise in exchange for hell in doing so,and all the blessings he has for you in this life. Former hardcore atheists claim Supernatural experiences in coming to Jesus in their testimonies also. You really ought to at least check this out before you attempt to deny that which you have no experience in. By the way, you may want to revisit your statement, "life is fine-tuned for this planet", and realize God is all up in the midst of it.
@@johnboehmer6683 Exactly, independent experiences that cant be confirmed are really not an evidence for me, as they are for you. Im afraid evolution is the phenomenon that adapts life suitable to its environment. If you claim that god is behind evolution, that unfortunately needs a confirmation.
@@artsveiman7776 You must be talking about a different JL. Even if so, it's intellectual snobbery to believe only academics carry the necessary prerequisite of understanding to debate. If that were the case why did you waste your time watching since by your own measure, you haven't the ability to understand it! BTW the (JL) John Lennox here is Professor is an internationally renowned professor of Mathematics at Oxford University and holds an MA Bioethics and PHD from Cambridge University as well as being a Senior Fellow at several institutes in Germany. Last he's an Author of dozens of publications
@@abbiebeast He presented no substantial proof to back up ANY of his arguments. hes a mathematician therefore he is supposed to be an academic, and yet he fails to adhere to the basic requirements of academia. I am uncertain if in any of his publications he provides more solid statements, but the fact that he claimed jesus rose from the dead because his tomb was empty is beyond moronic. That he has written dozens of books is not valid proof of his claims as an academic or an intellectual, for crying out loud there are dumb as bricks politicians that are on the bestsellers list, the content of which is toilet paper in the academic sense, yet are held in high regard by many conservatives. If this man is the academic he is presumed to be, no proof of it was presented in the comments he made in this presentation.
Because of the overwhelming evidence of resurrection of Jesus Christ the deciples saw with their own eyes the twelve deciples started preaching boldly about the salvation of God through Jesus Christ to all over the world..and eleven of them died as martyrs. So Christianity spread all over the world rapidly in spite of the opposition. Praise be to God. 🙏
Philosophy is like being in a dark room and looking for a black cat. Metaphysics is like being in a dark room and looking for a black cat that isn't there. Theology is like being in a dark room and looking for a black cat that isn't there, and shouting "I found it!" Science is like being in a dark room looking for a black cat while using a flashlight. Social Science is like being in a dark room suspecting from the beginning that there is a black cat somewhere, and emerging from the room with scratches on the forearm as vindication.
@@hzting985 and now you’re becoming downright pathetic in your attempt to save face. But since I’m in a good mood I will give you the XL version of my quote. If god existed there would be no need to prove his existence because he would be perceived or at the very least be experienced by believers and non believers alike and since that’s clearly not the case it’s safe to say that god’s are man made and not the other way around If you gonna comment again, a real effort would be greatly appreciated
@@walterdaems57 thank you for taking the time to clarify your point :) I stand by my previous comment, which you merely dismissed as "pathetic" without addressing why. Regarding your XL quote, the Bible says: "For since the creation of the world, God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse." Romans 1:20 It would be naive to think that one of us would change our mind through UA-cam comments. So I'll end with this: "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 All the best!
Al Khan there is no need to explain something that is not there. I don’t need a scientist, or anyone else, to explain the pixies that don’t live at the bottom of my garden, or the unicorn that’s not in my garage.
@@jasontabifor75 a rhetorical question I think as the evidence is contrary but, if Christ were to present himself tomorrow, I don't see that most logical people would think otherwise. That said, after a few thousand years, the prospect seems unlikely.
I ask this genuinely (not sarcastically or as a rhetorical question): Can you give a rational explanation for your own beliefs in Atheism and/or Dogmatic Scientism (blind faith in the current academic consensus like a religious text)? Atheism is rooted in Dogmatic Scientism which is why I ask for both. I ask because I've noted many Atheists tend to think their worldview doesn't involve faith. But it does. An enormous amount of it, particularly in academia and faith in questions science can't possibly answer due to its limitations
This speech is not merely a product of intellectualism. Only someone truly in the Holy Spirit can exercise this level of wisdom and kerygma. Paying close attention to this speech, the delivery, the style, and the speaker reminds one of Paul the Apostle. Great job there, Professor Lennox.
@Jack Probert That's not entirely true. Humans are not a bunch of clueless, brainless beings who just sit and listen. Aside from their emotions, they also go by facts and natural logic, even if they're not university professors trained in the rules of formal logical reasoning and critical thinking. And that's the tragic mistake made by those who tend to assume that just because someone is religious, he or she is simply unthinking and misled by indoctrination. Bottomline: naive and gullible people can be found everywhere, within and outside of religion. So, it's not a peculiarly religious situation. Thank you for your time.
@@tatie7604 This secular world cannot use commas properly, yet you attack this man for one of the most difficult and common mistakes. How self-righteous you must be to shun this man for his faith and spit on him with harmful words! You yourself edited your comment and you put a space between your words and ellipses. Do not shun a man for his beliefs, for they are as valid as yours.
@@indicudYT Sorry, I have no use for the "love" (i.e. I must believe in him or face eternal torture) of your magic zombie. And I don't want to be magically enchanted by your capricious, genocidal, bloodthirsty Abrahamic skygod either.
@@bnipmnaa you are deceived for the understanding and beliefs the devil has planted in you. Get to know Jesus because his love is unconditional and everlasting. Believe and trust him; if you want to be saved you'll be saved.
Listen to Zakir Naik you known more about God and Islam. listen to Islam Sobhi you will feel very better.see the scientific miracles in the Quran astonished the scholars of Europe and America. They made sure that the Quran is the word of God
@@hichembn4584 Respectfully, I disagree. The Bible is The Word of God, not the Quran. “Actually, there is no “other gospel”, but I say this because there are some people who are upsetting you and trying to change the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel that is different from the one we preached to you, may he be condemned to hell! We have said it before, and now I say it again: if anyone preaches to you a gospel that is different from the one you accepted, may he be condemned to hell! Does this sound as if I am trying to win human approval? No indeed! What I want is God's approval! Am I trying to be popular with people? If I were still trying to do so, I would not be a servant of Christ.” Galatians 1:7-10
*So let us examine what science can tell us about the origins of life* We know from experiments in the fields of Astronomy, Chemistry, Geology and Meteorology that the early pre-biotic earth was filled with organic molecules, the building blocks of life. We also know that organic molecules are very common in space. We also know that early life has been extremely simple…meaning no complex protein machinery in place. Modern cells separate themselves from the environment with a lipid bilayer. The problem with modern phospholipids is that they are too good at what they do. They form a nearly impenetrable barrier. Modern cells must use proteins to move molecules across their surface. But life did not have to start with modern chemicals! The pre-biotic environment contain many simple fatty acids. Under the range of pH they spontaneously form stable vesicles and they are permeable to small organic molecules (no complex proteins are required to get stuff in). When a vesicle encounters free fatty acids in solution, it will incorporate them (eating and growth are driven purely by thermodynamics). When a vesicle grows, it adopts a tubular branched shape (because the surface are grows faster than volume), which is easily divided by natural forces (waves, currents, rocks, etc.). When this division takes place, none of the contents of the vesicle are lost. *So what about the genetic material?* Modern nucleotides are too stable and require complex machinery to replicate. But the pre-biotic environment contained hundreds of different types of nucleotides, not just DNA and RNA. All it took is 1 to self polymerize (recent experiments have shown that some of these are capable of self polymerization, such as Phosphoramidate DNA). Monomers will base pair with a single stranded template and self ligate. They can also polymerize in solution and spontaneously form new templates, or extend existing templates. *No special sequences are required, it is just chemistry! But how does this become life?* Fatty acids are permeable to nucleotide monomers but not polymers. Once spontaneous polymerization occurs within the vesicle, the polymer is trapped. Floating through the ocean the polymer containing vesicles will encounter convection currents, such as set up by hydrothermal vents. The high temperatures will separate the polymer strands and increase the membrane’s permeability to monomers. Once the temperature cools, spontaneous polymerization can occur (and the cycle repeats). The polymer, due to surrounding ions, will increase the osmotic pressure within the vesicle, stretching its membrane. A vesicle with more polymer through simple thermodynamics will “steal” lipids from a vesicle with less polymer. They essentially, “eat” each other. The vesicle that contains a polymer that can replicate faster, will grow and divide faster, and will eventually dominate the population, and now EVOLUTION can begin.
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"I am confident enough to think that if you accept the importance of philosophy and the task of examining it critically, it is my philosophy that you will come to accept." -Ayn Rand-
That is exactly what I mean, being articulate doesn't mean you proved your point. Nor did he tackle morality on basis of other theist thought processes such is Islam , Buddhism.
He is a mathematician, not a scientist. And his belief in gods is as irrelevant to math or science as is his eye colour or shoe size. Certainly, no philosopher takes his arguments seriously, as they are full of holes. Largely, in fact, they are just insults directed at those who do not share his childish beliefs. He certainly has no evidence to support his claims.
Ever wondered why religious apologist's always quote numerous famous people to present them like evidence for their arguments, while the other group doesn't really care about whether or not a famous person have shared their same idea? Just think about it.
Very good argument. His book Miracles is the fruit of similar debates: the Veritas Forum at Harvard, and is worth reading. I am thankful that some of the greatest scientific minds were Christians and did not see a competition.
You see, when people say "This and that scientist OF THE PAST was theist", what I really hear is "In a time and place where your livelihood, your social status and sometime your very life depended on professing a religion, very intelligent people professed a religion!". Well, duh-uh? No shit, sherlock. They had giordano bruno and galileo as a set example.
@@abelcanales5617 God is actually the illuminati attempt to control the population. same with Islam. its a divide and conquer scenarrio. Jesus was a snake-man who tried to seduce humanity, don't follow his teachings!!!!!
@SKRIMEO how am I wrong? show me some proof that isn't falsifiable. bitch, u can't gtfo. I have some proof for u though, secret documents and records of Pope Francis have been uncovered as he talks to a notorious magistrate of the illuminati. many high level bishops have been witnessed talking how else to hypnotize the public. its all at the Thedeus society on the dark web. check it out and enlighten u self.
Just Truth whatever makes u sleep at night m8 just remember if there is a good there's 3000 to pick from so u better be right or its eternal fire in hell
@@kidyfiddler5527That's like trying to find the answer (truth) of 2+2=? and saying "there's so many different numbers out there how can I ever pick the right one?" You find it out by seeking the answer and discerning what's true and false. There being many different options has no effect on which one is correct.
Thank you Kidy, you are a monument, a walking billboard, the greatest advertisement for Christianity I have ever seen. Keep spewing that venomous filth in the name of atheism buddy! People will look at your grotesque words and want to run to Jesus as a result! Thanks again, God bless you.
@@kidyfiddler5527 I'm assuming you're over the age of 6 and know fully well the things you say. This means you are responsible for what you say. This means God has every right to hold you accountable for what you say, and you are saying some very corrupt and vile things. Life is not a fairytale where actions have no consequences and you can say and do what you like and not be a responsible adult. If you think that's how life works try telling that to a judge after commiting a crime. They won't care how you feel or if you think you're not responsible, they'll just throw you in jail for life if that's the verdict. Right now you might think you're getting away with it, and you might even think it's kind of cute. But unless you repent to God and let him take over your life, you will be held accountable. I pray that you will do this. God is incredibly forgiving beyond what human's can understand, this is the only reason this forgiveness is possible.
Just Truth - well, he could have said it a lot better. For example, he could have produced some - thinks...what's that thing people sometimes use to argue or prove a point - ah, yes, actual evidence.
Noone ever claimed life and "everything" came from nothing but theists. And no, it's not harder not believing in a god: it's natural steps all the way back, I have no reason to think the last one, even if hidden, has to be supernatural.
"The battle of philosophers is a battle for man's mind. If you do not understand their theories, you are vulnerable to the worst among them." -Ayn Rand-
@joashsmusic ok" wow"... you want to answer my question with a question..? brilliant... and wow number two... are you comparing Isaac Newton to John Lennox...? Really...!? And you didn't even bother to try to answer my question.... you made me laugh and you've hurt my feelings...
How can you be in this comment section? Because you chose to. Easy. Question done. If you're wondering how he is a scientist for the statements he made. Then you clearly didn't watch the video fully. He stated his beliefs and statements and explained why he thinks that way for each of them. It's not his fault you don't pay attention.
Dr John May be intelligent when it comes to math but that all . Nothing he says proves god. And he only believes because his indoctrination was just too strong for him to get over.
@@sentientmlem727 people who adhere to artificial versions of reality, tend to also usurp social resources and make bad decisions about how to apply them. That is why. In my social structure I find myself having to deal with them. Ironically when this topic comes up in conversation, they tend to claim that they are not involved in politics. Which just indicates their lack of grasp of what harm they are doing to the rest of society.
@@sentientmlem727 WRT "...Why say something with no point?..." preachers have been making a living that way for at least a thousand years of christendom. unlikely that it did not exist as a thing prior to common era.
Heavenly Father? Where is Heaven? Why so sexist? Could God not be a Mother or even a Turtle? Why so limiting? Does God need to gender specific? Do you need God to be a Father? Are you looking for an omnipotent Father figure in your life to give you a sense of purpose and value? is it this Father's plan to wipe out millions of people in various wars? Is it your Father's plan to have peoples fight with each other so viciously? Surely such a powerful "Being" could think of some better way? This "plan" bit is just a convenience. Should I shoot my enemies and say to the judge, "God told me to, I believe it is "his" plan?" And if the judge doesn't agree, well of course, he/she is a non-believer.
Who else believes in god?
A few billion .
Tom Greene lol
0 2 what does that say about you?
God bless what about all the other gods that were made before Jesus?
Tom B savage ass trip
*_"A little science distances you from God, but a lot of science brings you nearer to Him."_* - Louis Pasteur (Founder of microbiology and immunology)
"It's not that you have to see to believe, but rather that you have to believe to see."
-Jonathan Cahn
And still nobody has ever seen. If you can't prove the existance of the most powerful being to ever exist he ain't real or is he just really good at hide and seek 😂 just because you're a coward and want it to be true doesn't mean it is and without proof it isn't and it never will be. Every single argument from a believer amounts to"i don't know so god" ignorance is bliss but it's also just ignorant
@seanpittaway5341 why do you assume that the one who created us wants to make himself known to us?I'm sorry you feel that way, friend. I would argue that it takes more courage to believe in something you can't see or prove. I'm sorry but I think you miss the whole point of faith. It's not very kind to call people names who don't believe what you believe. God bless!!
@@sukwarsiemanym I believe in fairies and I have now seen them. No one else can see them because they don't believe in them!
@DrMontague extremely courageous of you.
This man straight away preached gospel to a group of atheists
Nothing new to Atheists. We have to sit through religious dogma all the time.
Matthew Kearney for god so loved the world that he gave his only son so that whoever believes in him will not perish but have eternal life
@@jonathancamposeco7286 you just proved his point idiot
@@jonathancamposeco7286
Your scripter holds as much weight as a kids story.
Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall,
Humpty Dumpty had a great fall;
All the king's horses and all the king's men
Couldn't put Humpty together again.
There you go. Now base your whole life on that.
@@jonathancamposeco7286
Prove it.
You can't?
Then you are just another fool.
Imagine, sitting in the comfort of your home thousands of miles away, and then being "transported" to one of the leading universities to watch and listen to some of the greatest minds debate. The internet is a wonderful thing.
Imagine that.
Nice.
I sure hope one day we will be able to do that. For now, we are stuck with videos like this one.
The internet can be useful, but overall it has caused anguish --- everywhere I travel, I only see prisoners, captured by it - the answer is to go back to the internet at home, at a desktop and throw away the phone _ remote controller
@@altamistral - You made me smile out loud! Thanks.
I love the Oxford Union because freedom of speech and the debate is its cornerstone.
@@Sednas Pointless comment with an assumption.
@@Sednas Then I suppose everybody is hypocritical when they call others liars as well.
@@Sednas Point is, that's a massive leap to call someone a hypocrite, and 99% of the population would be guilty of hypocrisy if your method was just. You're a hypocrite for saying Christians assume God exists when you assume (given you believe in history) that Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle existed. All that was left of them was writing. You have to assume, on some level, that nobody was trying to make up these philosophical characters through writing. Such historical figures are never certain, but the key is to treat them all the same, from an unbiased view. We all assume. Assumptions are made everyday, but some are more ridiculous than others, like when you assumed that OP wouldn't appreciate freedom of speech if there were atheists in the video, which there clearly are, and moreso throughout Oxford University.
Open debate at Oxford Is just that for now but certain deceivers and ruthless men are desperately trying to silence debate and inquiry into things they seek to keep away from public scrutiny.Keep your eyes open and watch what laws are being drafted from certain pressure groups,you will soon find out who truly rules over society, a bunch of base criminals ,the same ones who funded and ran the Bolshevik revolution and they are eager to stamp out open debate especially when the facts presented oppose their goals
@@Sednas And I'm meaning to say that you assumed he was a Christian for admiring freedom of expression. Now I'm going to assume that you wouldn't be saying "I bet you wouldn't be saying the same if the subject of the video was a Christian" if the original poster was saying he admired the freedom of speech under a video where an atheist was arguing his point.
"“If the world hates you, know that it has hated me before it hated you." John 15:18
spaghetti monster chronicles pg 368 paragraph 4 says: they'll dismiss you as a troll despite you trying to show them the truth. Worry not, but continue to spread my word!
@@louisuchihatm2556 that seems so ludicrous
Who doesn't call upon God when faced with death? Even Antoine Lavey, founder of Church of Satan, did so on his death bed. Atheists imagine they are so self-sufficient until it is too late. God does exist. Even satan knows that even though he presents himself as God to those who follow him.
We know God exists because we talk to Him and He responds. We pray and He answers. We witness His marvelous deeds every day.
@@sosospiritual417 ikr
OxfordUnion: Has an intellectial yet respectful and coherent debate
UA-cam comments: Theists and Atheists debunked each other 100 times with paragraphs as long as the Bible itself, ultimately resorting to insulting each other for existing
*And that is why they are up there in Oxford, and we are down here, in a pointless comment section*
hahhaha so true
🙌 couldn't be more truer
Brutal but factual as well lol.
Amen on that one
Good comment. Very true. I have to examine myself against it!
His five arguments timestamped:
0:28 Science requires the existence of God (A lawgiver being a condition for law in nature)
3:57 Logic thinking requires the existence of God (A brain having evolved only out of survival not being a reliable source of reason)
6:45 Morality requires the existence of God (A person only being more than just matter and having a fundamental value if God exists)
8:47 Meaning in life requires the existence of God (The relationship with him being the goal of life)
12:30 Hope for ultimate justice requires the existence of God (A judgement after death only being possible through Jesus Christ)
Al arguments you list, are just made up falsehoods with no evidence preached by Lennox.
1. Science exists on its own by the research and discoveries of scientists --- no god necessary.
2. Logical thinking clearly shows that no evidence exists for any god.
3. Morality is a social construct, all different from society to society --- no god involved.
4. The meaning of life is determined by each individual for him/herself --- no god is needed.
5. Justice is a relative term: No evidence exists for life after death or for any Jesus.
Do you have time stamps for when he provides proof?
Lennox does not understand science!
Lennox does not understand logic!
Lennox does not understand biology!
The imaginary god of the bible is immoral!
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Be blessed
All of those arguments were debunked and refuted a long time ago.
Logical fallacies aren’t evidence for any gods.
The greatest that ever lived; He had no servants, yet they called Him Master. He had no degree, yet they called Him Teacher. He had no medicines, yet they called Him Healer. He had no army, yet Kings feared Him. He won no military battles, yet He conquered the world. He had no crime, yet they crucified Him. He had no need, yet He forgave them as they mocked. He was buried in a tomb, yet He lives today. His name is Jesus Christ and He is the Saviour of the world.
Amen
It doesn't exist, yet people call it god.
Thats why he is GOD, The Lord Jesus Christ.
If a person that later came to be known as Jesus did actually exist then he was a Jewish carpenter and possibly a lovely guy but to give him the ability to create the entire universe and make him all powerful over everything and everyone is as stupid as it sounds.
very well put
1:36 that sound scared the shit outta meA
Thank you for the warning! 😅
Was 5 seconds away from it when I read you comment 🤣
@@-ans-to-non-muslim i suggest you watch this ua-cam.com/video/sXa-UQjSNn0/v-deo.html
LMFAO SAME!!!!!!
😂😂😂😂😂I thought that was when he revealed evidence of God....shared the shit outta me
"God does not compete. Agency does not compete with mechanism and law". That is a statement to really think about.
where did that statement come from? what is meant by "agency" in this context?
look at the first "commandment" and tell me again that god does not compete.
Indeed. And why could Satan get here?
@@tracyavent-costanza346 good point🤔
@Chait Singh @worldgonemad the big bang theory totally goes against scientific law. Cause and effect. You can't see air, but know it's there. Someone else can't hear your thoughts, but you know they're there.wifi signals are invisible, but if you turn off your router Internet disappears. Your finger prints are unlike any other person on Earth. You'd be totally arrogant to think you could understand the universe with a human mind. You know your soul exists because it differs from others. The evidence you shout is the same as every other athiest. The Bible is the most historically accurate book, or document of all time. More than any other book ever. You can even Google that. Also I bet there's been a time in your life when you've felt desperate that you've said please God. The book has remained accurate through all plauges, the Holocaust, and every other mass genocide. Look at all the near death experiences. A lot of them who are doctors, scientist, and many other science believing athiest, who died go to hell, and find Jesus. Some instances they're dead for hours, or days. They had nothing to gain from these things, actually they could only lose from them. Some have lost marriage that was over 20 years. Quit high paying pristigious careers. You're very foolish and close minded to think this is it. Miracles happen everyday science can't explain. It is your job to look with an open mind for your self. If you open the Bible and read you can literally feel the holy spirit. Also it makes total sense the government puts flouride in our water. The Bible talks about our pinial glad being our way to Jesus. Flouride in the water literally attacks our spirit molecule. This makes total sense to me that the devil is very near, and if he could would banish the Bible for ever. Many countries have banned the Bible. In China they're tearing down Christian churches as we speak. Stop listening to the science put out by your lobbyist governments. Did you know that 70% of what independent studies show doffer from government funded ones. You sir can trust in The FDA who puts cancerous things like red 40, and yellow 5 in everything. Did you know that the FDA gets over 70% of it's GDP from big pharma? So they allow these things to poison you, and then give you vaccines with all kinds of harmful materials in them. Right now 5G is killing all kinds of birds, and bees. Monsanto is currently working on creating a genetically modified bee that only will pollinate there gmo foods. Also 70% of independent studies show 5G frequencies manipulate your thyroid into allowing harmful toxins to pass the blood brain barrier. This is no work of man alone. This has been a plan since the beginning of time. Do me a favor and look up what agenda 21 is. Then also cross reference it with the most historically accurate book of all time. The Bible. 100 years ago most people were God fearing Christian's. Did you also know that in the 1980s over 60 different companies owned the rights to media, and today it's just 6 families that put out the news. Go do some research of the FCC, and how the leader of it is chairman Ajit Pai, an ex Verizon wireless telecommunication attorney. Obama said there would be no lobbyist in his administration, and he was the first person elected into the FCC. You watch as agenda 21, and the rest of the events of the rapture become true. What's funny is last year I said the same things you're saying right here. Then I watched a documentary on UA-cam called frankenskies proved to me the devil is very real, and everything I ever thought to be true was a lie. I hope you find jesus, because he's very real, and if you allow him to come into your heart he will forgive you, just as he had mine. I know it, because I can feel it, and now I'm doing these things to help people like you. I have nothing to gain from this, and feel much ridicule, but it's worth it, because I know for a fact it exists.
I absolutely do!!!
“They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator-who is forever praised. Amen. Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts.” Romans 1:25-26
Praise Him who is worthy to be praised 🙏🏾 Praise His holy name 🙏🏾
There is no creation!
The imaginary god of the bible is a psychopathic mass murderer with a massive inferiority complex who hates humans!
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Amen!
It's honestly incredible how much has been prophesied.
Amen & Amen/from across the pond in Texas...
Paul wrote a lot of rubbish, this is one of them. Even in his time the Greek and the Romans, the Egyptians, the Persians - i.e. the people Paul may have known - worshipped gods, not created things. The idea that because of idol worship people became gay is so stupid, that I do not cease to wonder how can Christians take it to be true. The absolute majority of pagans and atheists are straight, and a lot of people who "worship the creator" are gay.
He is not only a spiritual man but also a brilliant man.
@Margie Smith I believe that description would more accurately describe Dr Richard Dawkins.
@Margie Smith Rather, he is good at arguing what he believes
@Margie Smith do you believe in the devil
@Margie Smith I don't know
@Margie Smith I don't know
“Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,”
Romans 1:22 KJV
Ikr
And they didn't even eat the cookies
equalism 42 Ohh, the irony of Romans 1:22 😄
@pete J
now ironic was THAT statement, as attributed to Saul of Tarsus.
Creating Day/night before creating the sun and the stars is quadrillion times foolish 🤣🤣🤣
Yes, we know. The book with the talking donkey and the man who lived inside of a fish says it is foolish to demand evidence for one's beliefs.
Got anything else?
Sharing God in a room full of atheists. Great respect for you Mr John Lennox.
Nick Jones People will believe what they want to believe and will openly talk about it. I myself am not an atheist, but I am willing to respect the opinions of others such as yourself. :p
@Nick Jones ignorant of you to say...
A 'Theist' 😀
@Nick Jones what ignorance..
I wander why the God made so many atheists?! Apparently then the theists could with such a bravery to talk in a room full of atheists.)))
I became a Christian at age 34. I was spiritual all my life, and my mother did her best to guide me, but my father was not around. It took me a long time to return to my father (in heaven and on earth) but once I did it felt amazing! This video feels so important. Being a Chrisitan became uncool and even bad somehow in America. What a shame.
There is no heaven!
Death is final!
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@@rolfme5499A foolish assumption and belief. All you atheists claim death is the end but have no proof of that unless you experience it your self. Yet you say God cannot exist and say we can't prove his physical existence and that we only rely on faith but what you band of hypocrites forget to realize is your form of faith is that death is our end and nothing happens after therefore you believe in something you can't prove unless you actually experience it and see that truth. I guess it comes down to , I guess we will see who is laughing on the other end.
@soldierx2
Faith is a weakness of the brain!
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ROTFL
Obviously you are unable to distinguish between reality and fairy tales!
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@@Wonderegg2095What proof do you have for the existence of God? the fact that it is written in a book?
"Whoever publically acknowledges me, I will do the same for him before my Father in the Kingdom of Heaven, whoever rejects me so shall I reject them"
Sounds very made up and cult like
@@badideass why cult like???? The offer is extended to all
@@friendyadvice2238 because it's not believable, no religion is.
As long as you're happy though.
@@badideass Given that I believe in Jesus I genuinely want everybody to be saved, and I dont want to feel I didn't try to help anybody. I Sincerely hope you find Christ while God The Father graciously offers him to us. Good luck
@@friendyadvice2238 well you seem friendly.
I highly doubt I'll ever believe in the Jesus story.
Being saved in this sense means nothing to me, again I would have to believe in the story for which I do not.
Hope you have a great day, stay safe!
Even if you don't agree with him, you have to agree that he has a great voice and charming mannerisms.
ua-cam.com/video/1jhNZClEL8Y/v-deo.html
Ergo, deus est.
Shut up God is real idiots
@@nomejest5919 i think that you're the one that idiot lol
@@martinmaxwell3508 At least I don't copy a comment, at least try to type something different. 😂😂😂
“The heavens declare the glory of God and the firmament proclaims the handiwork of His hands.” (Psalm 19:1)
That doesnt prove anything
@@thefirsttime7759 - “Who is this that darkens my counsel with words without knowledge?” “Brace yourself like a man; I will question you and you will answer me.” “Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation? Tell me if you understand.” “Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know?” “Who stretched a measuring line across it?” “On what were its footings set, or who laid its cornerstone?”
@@michaelj.spencer5276 why do you keep quoting the bible acting like its a valid argument
@@thefirsttime7759 - why do you keep asking stupid questions
@@michaelj.spencer5276 says the Christian
Psalm 84:2 ""My soul yearns, even faints, for the courts of the LORD; my heart and my flesh cry out for the living God".
" I do not take cognizance of anything I cannot check. "
-Ayn Rand-
What a knowledgable yet humble man. A rarity in our times.
he's just another religious nut and so are you
@@ratbrat9978 and you live up to your name.
@@christbanner3219 and you're a fn religious nut now go away and get down on those well calloused knees and mumble you're mumbo-jumbo for my poor lost soul just do it quietly, I've heard enough jesus freak bullshit to last me the rest of my life amen
@Don don thank you mission accomplished
" A mystic is a man who surrendered his mind at the first encounter with the minds of others. "
-Ayn Rand-
He’s such a jolly man. I love listening to his debates and speeches. God truly works through this man. I’m grateful for John Lennox, he’s taught me a tremendous amount of knowledge
And so say all of us. There is hope after all. It’s nice to listen to modern day Apostoles,❤Georgios, Crete.
The nutty professor. If he ever has a wet fart in public he will realize there is no intelligent designer
There's no evidence for the existence of any gods, outside of mythology.
I'm just finding out about him. After speeding through some of Chuck Missler's talks and watching Jordan Peterson reason to his, I'm glad to find another wonderful Christian professor with such profound outspokenness. I will definitely be checking out more of Mr. Lennox.
@@sukwarsiemanym You mean the nutty professor?! Perhaps when he is in a care home you would like to be the one who wipes his arse, think about it the supernatural designer thought i will design people to shit and get someone else to clean the shit up, why doesn't god send down a couple of angels to clean up his shit? Reason they don't want to get shit on their hands. If you ever have a wet fart in public you will realize the notion of an intelligent is ridiculous, so have you ever had wet fart? if so did you enjoy it?
One of the finest Irish minds there has ever been in recent times. A joy to listen to.
@Michael How does he have the wrong take on reality, may I ask?
@@padruigmacrodain Is his (and your?) believe in god an offshoot of hundreds of other proclaimed gods? Or is his (and your?) god the only TRUE God, and all the rest are fakes?
Do you fear the finality of death. After all, you had no conception of existence before you were conceived, so why fear no existence after death? You had no concept of reality before you were born and there is none after you die. There may, of course, be some legacy you leave after your death. Children perhaps. Intellectual properties, perhaps an invention or a unique process you leave to the benifit of humanity? Who knows? But the fact is you are irredeemable dead. You have no consciousness after death any more than you had before you were conceived.
❤agree
@Michael God's a fairy tale? Good God, now that is what I call an inability to embrace reality.
@Michael who says those Gods didn't exist? I for one, believe they did do. They just were the kind of Gods who espoused selfishness and narcissism as opposed to the Christisn God whose entire life was a model of self-sacrifice which is why I would worship him and not some celestial playboy like Zeus and his cohorts.
"This World may be a poor example to serve as a prove for God, but the mind that can realize this is a good example of God's existence."
- Alexander S. Schreiber
No it can’t actually.
The brain operates through synapses and chemicals.
No gods are required.
Ignorance is no excuse for belief in magic.
@@2l84me8 So you believe that spirit arises from dead matter, you surely have experimental proof of this? No, of course you don't, you just believe that.
@@LUCKYDRUGMUSIC I don’t believe in spirits to begin with. What are you talking about?
"We are still too rational, too this-worldly, and too individualistic to submit to naked tyranny. We are still being protected by the fading remnants of our Enlightenment heritage."
-Leonard Peikoff-1986
@@2l84me8Actually a higher intelligence is required to program the DNA in cells to produce a practical structure (aka the brain) to utilize those chemicals and synapses. Unless you’re saying that it is more reasonable to believe that something came from nothing rather than something came from a creator.
This wasn't the strongest speech I've seen Lennox (or anybody) give for why God exists. But there is a great subtlety to what Lennox was doing that most commentators here seem to have missed.
They complain that he did not provide any scientific or mathematical evidence, completely missing that Lennox has end-run around that by arguing that 1) the existence of God is the only reason that the universe is rationally intelligible, and 2) God is a personal being and therefore we encounter Him most profoundly not through rational argument but through personal relationship. Lennox wasn't attempting to provide scientific evidence for God. He was challenging the epistemological assumptions of materialistic atheism.
He said it right at the end: these are my reasons for why God should be trusted. Not merely that God exists, but why God is trustworthy to be in relationship with.
+CoryTheRaven Thank you!
+CoryTheRaven How can the concept of a god in a persons mind be trustworthy in a relationship?
bltorioles Exactly. The existence of God is implicit to God's being trustworthy.
CoryTheRaven So then the thoughts in a persons head verify the trustworhty nature of the thoughts in a persons head....hmmm
CoryTheRaven Brother, you have to be able to see the error in that
God bless Brother John Lennox as he preaches the eternal Gospel.
Anything objective, measurable, demonstrable, why not?
@@ericbell940 How does one measure, demonstrate? Science only, right?
So saith all Buddhists, Jains and Indigenous peoples, among so many others. You do know that the "Gospel" was written by people, translated countless times, evolved through many forms. So this "Word of God" bit is quite a stretch.
"I am primarily the creator of a new code of morality which has so far been believed impossible, namely a morality not based on faith, not on arbitrary whim, not on emotion, not on arbitrary edict, mystical or social, but on reason; a morality that can be proved by means of logic which can be demonstrated to be true and necessary."
-Ayn Rand-
1:37 rip headphones users
Lmao
☠️☠️
So true also when they drink water like they haven’t had any in years lol 😂😂
I was waiting for the time to come, listening without headphones, and I still jumped
I actually thought that my earphones had an issue
John Lennox presents clear, concise, and articulate arguments like no one else
Yes for sure.
Regrading the problem of sin and evil, Charles Taze Russell presents eloquently the motive God allowed this in the first volume of Studies in the Scriptures, chapter 7.
Really?
@@paulmcglen9413 Yes. I'd recommend his other works and videos, too. Very good, Godly material.
@@paulmcglen9413 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
A powerful sermon from a scientist
I wouldn’t say it’s a sermon, an argument would be better.
@@Nameless-pt6oj He isn't remotely anything like a scientist, in his buying into a proposition that is both unquantifiable and untestable.
@@tomward2688 From an outsider perspective, really telling that you quite clearly only dislike him because he is a theist. Einstein was no religious nut, nor was he an atheist, he makes that clear. Should we call him stupid for that? Lennox knows far more about the sciences than you do, random bullshitter in a comment section. You're nothing like a scientist. By your logic, a scientist who believes in aliens, or the many ultimately impossible ideas about universes - i.e. parallel universes - is stupid, nothing like a scientist just because of that. WHo gives a damn about anything else about them, because they believe in absolutely anything further than their noses they are fools, right?
@@tomward2688 he said he BELIEVES. The knowledge in question cannot be verified empirically. So whether believing or unbelieving, nobody knows
@@seetsamolapo5600 therefore, should people also believe in Zeus? Why don't Christians believe in Allah? Christianity has blotted out other religions inside their ground, like Greco-Roman Ploytheism, and tried the same with Protestantism
This is a nice place we’re both sides respect each other, and are allowed to talk.
@Slip Nip lmao
God in fact does exist but he is not classified into a gender, in our cosmos, our universe. There could be other forms of life, a manifestation of the ultimate being of god. If god were to choose our circumstances we would be void of the sun collapsing, dark matter entitling our whole universe, and we would experience heaven as we know it. So I believe that god is an entity to all beings in the cosmos and is not judged by a single gender since he is the entity. Other aliens might have beliefs like this too, but it is a manifestation of god. God does not only help us, but helps the other intelligent life out in the cosmos, the cosmos is a fast thing and it passes on. Technology can improve and check our standards for any existence of life out there.
@@kanchuhd7863 God does not exist until he does same with the principle of innocence before proven guilty
@@backwatersage god doesnt exist regardless of YOUR opinion
@@backwatersage but that’s impossible that go’s wants that because it can’t be specifically quoted from a date from far time
So eloquently elaborated and beautifully presented with humble attitude. In return, I myself am humbled by the words that the Professor John Lennox spoke.
There's no evidence for the existence of any gods, outside of mythology.
There is evidence y friend !! The answer is love !! God bless you and your family
@@Netomp51 No. We evolved our emotions, just like all other animals.
@@richardharris8538 ok let me ask you a question, do you trust your parents ?
@@Netomp51 What business is it of yours? Anyway, FWIW, they're long dead. And another thing, that's a rather stupid question; it suggests the questioner's poor grasp of epistemology.
What a brilliant speech! God bless him and those who listens to his message!
i heard it but was not that impressed, so I guess I'm bound for purgatory or something. Or La Mirada or El Monte.
God bless him?
What do you understand by God? Is god something philosophical idea? Is god all powerful?
Jesus Christ you are my life.
depressing that you dedicate your life to that.
Matthew Kearney depressing you comment on other people’s comments about their beliefs
@@spiritual9574
Nothing wrong with critisizing inaccurate and immoral beliefs
@Jesus Is The Truth
Notice those that are religious automatically assume all those things for people that dont buy into their immoral religion...
Matthew Kearney notice that you comment on other people’s comments saying that their beliefs are stupid
There are many videos in YT asking the question, "Does God Exist ?" but don`t allow comments. I will not listen to such videos. If I`m not allowed the courtesy of replying I don`t see why I should give those videos my time. Naturally this is not one of those videos.
You're not at the debate, so your comments to the speaker aren't actually going to the speaker, so they are for your venting. I will watch videos with disabled comments if I'm looking to hear someone's teaching or argument against or support of a position. To learn. Sometimes, disabling comments is wise to keep trollish comments off the page. :)
Mir Schultz
Yurr sooo much better, atheists and theists just won't ever agree which misses the whole point of arguments.
@@mirschultz9761 there are more trolly comments that come from theists than atheists and that's literally a fact.
@@mirschultz9761 Hello sir. Please don't poison the well. Please don't use loaded words like venting anymore. Thank you for your understanding and cooperation!
Peace!
@Sedna this is laughable, it’s atheist who generally flood comment sections and troll.
I am in no way an academic, but I thoroughly enjoy the Oxford Union because it gives attention to both sides of an issue without discrimination.
All the best!
fuck off
@@ericmcdonough6771 Hearts will be hardened in the end of days it may be too late
@@ChalkEater419 Seems your god can't do anything about that. Some god! 😂
Eric McDonough Amen!
@@ericmcdonough6771 ua-cam.com/video/K59hobHYd1U/v-deo.html
Wow, this speech by John is undoubtedly one of his best! Such a unique blend of humility and brilliance, coupled with a common-sense approach. He's not just a scholar, but also a humble man of faith, and a great friend! 🙌🎩📚 #JohnLennox #InspiringSpeaker #HumbleAndBrilliant
@Hasha-on1pq
"For God so love the world, that He gave his only begotten Son. That whosoever believes in Him, shall have everlasting life."
John 3:16
So one "God" requires praying a certain number of times per day, while kneeling on a carpet and the other requires you to drink wine and bread at the right time. One requires women to be dressed "modestly" because men can't help themselves and the other has a pope and an intricate hierarchy of priests.Both happily kill the other in the name of their God. God bless "faith". @@sukwarsiemanym
Why a male figure? Is uour god limited by gender? Is there a female Al-Lat? I would have thought that a truly omnipotent god would exist in a realm beyond gender or human concept of form. This omnipotent god would know all and be beyond any simplistic reassurances of faith in the form of prayer, sacrifice or similar. Are you buying this beings favour with simplistic rituals? Really?@Hasha-on1pq
"A man who is run by emotions is like a man who is run by a computer whose print-outs he cannot read."
-Ayn Rand-
Thankful for men like John Lennox.
Thank you
He is a moron
The problem isn't God. The problem is......
The people furthest from God(Religions) claim to know him, while the people closest to God(Scientists) don't even believe he's there.
If God is real why create cancer? Answer me then
@@TheDeepState2001 People often overlook the problem of evil and end up blaming God. Why?
@@TheDeepState2001 Death came through sin. Rather than asking why did God create cancer, the better question is why did God give man the ability to have freewill and to choose Him or reject Him? In reality cancer is not bad if you do not believe in God because you die anyways. Now in you there is a will to live all human beings have it, no one wants to die. Christ died for our sins on the cross and through Him we can have eternal life.
@@TheDeepState2001 Pain is a mystery: asking us, christians why God created cancer is foolish because no one really knows why pain exists, but we do know it's in our nature because even the son of God, Jesus, who was the purest man alive experienced suffering in its most painful way, therefore we must assume suffering is part of human nature.
@@TheDeepState2001 god has done way worse things than cancer...just read the bible
"God is not distant from our human suffering, but (by Jesus Christ dying on the cross) has become part of it."
So profound. Takes the question of suffering to one of an unthinkable level.
If one considers the notion of a god as only a concept representative of various emotional rantings, I would agree completely. However, a review of the idea of a suffering Jesus is absurd if one considers the nature of what some claim... An entity that has been around forever and is everywhere....the depiction is infinitesimally less than a pinprick...
So Jesus was crucified on a Friday and by Sunday was in Heaven? That's not a suffering sacrifice; that's just a bad weekend.
I thought sons shouldn’t have to pay for the sins of their fathers. Why exactly are we still punished for Adam and Eve eating fruit?
I feel Sad for Jesus. I mean, being a scapegoat for the sins for an entire species.
Adrian De Abreu thing is with being a scapegoat is it doesn’t absolve anyone of anything they’ve done wrong anyway. It just means someone else takes the punishment for it.
When I hear this man's voice, I get closer to God. God is using John to show his glory.
Isn't it fascinating! So do I.
What do understand by God?
Is god something philosophical idea?
@@curiousgeorge555you also get closer to God? But can you explain me some characteristics of God?
@@tanwar.harveer Love, peace, power
@@tanwar.harveer He would not be God if He were a philosophical idea?
Godly man with courage....Live well sir.
@Stacy Caruso A weak, old fearful ass.
@@MrKit9 Lets see you speak about controversial topics in front of people who probably disagree with you.
@@samuelk2621 People like Lennox are all pretty much the same, reasonably intelligent, articulate, good debating skills and thrive on the attention they receive. They take full advantage of those skills to push their agenda and persuade you to their way of thinking. Just read this thread to see the kind of influence and persuasive power that people like Lennox command.
@virgil
well offhand it appears that Lennox has done all right for himself. Except that his prophet said something about having no possessions and having to offend our family in order to follow him.
@@trollobite1629
apparently Lennox makes a living this way. At Oxford apparently it is possible to do that.
always find that mathematical minds think similarly and thoroughly it's always a pleasure listening to them
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic.
He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on.
The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north.
In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin"
The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind"
The sun is "The light of the World"
The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea.
"He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays.
Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo.
The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass.
The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12.
The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30.
The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes.
The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected.
The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe.
In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens. ..
@Nathan Nitai Das
What’s more believable?
That the Jesus story is a rehash of Astro fables or that some dude was actually born of a virgin and is the son of the Hebrew god.
Well, I spoke to Zeus and he assures me that Yahweh is fake and that the Greeks are the real “chosen people”.
@@Gamefan86 Yeah no. 25th of December was the date of a Roman holliday, and when Christianity became a staple, they simply used the same holliday, changing the celebration to the Birth of Christ. Highly doubt from an outsider's observing perspective that Jesus's followers in the 1st Century C.E. were really worshipping the Sun and turned him into a man only later on. Half of those lines require a lot of biased approval of your ideas to believe them. May as well say that about a lot of the other world religions too.
@@Gamefan86 "The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north."
-This is a really big push, and from an outsider persepctive knowing the reality of why Christmas is on December 25th - coming long after Jesus - this is a definite no, because this came long after Jesus.
"The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind"".... convincing line?
"The sun is "The light of the World"
The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea.
"He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays.
Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo."
^All this aren't too believable by anyone else, and seem to be put there just to add extra lines. Crown of thorns is the Halo..... huh?
"The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes."
The funny bit about this is that real crucifixion in the 1st Century wouldn't have been on a cross as we think of it; which debunks this whole idea. If you go back in time, and actually saw Jesus's execution or that of anyone else in that century, it wouldn't have been on a cross. This is veriable, you can find evidence for what I've said. Over half of this requires the person reading to have little knowledge of history or take the specific things mentioned at face value.
@@Gamefan86 You deceive yourself. Yes, 12 is symbolic all through the bible. 12 tribes, 12 stones 12 disciples, oh and there is 12 notes in music. The symbol 12 came from God , not man. The sun was created by God actually Jesus. 1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning-the first day.
John 1:1-5 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it. The word is another term for Jesus.
You can make those correlations but that its more because of Jesus being real and they are a refection of him, not the other way around. Truth is If you look at the sun you can destroy your eyes. If you look to Jesus your eyes (mind) are opened. Anything that gets too close to the sun is destroyed whereas with Jesus you will have eternal life.. Actually Christianity is branched out from the Jewish faith. Jesus was of Jewish faith, He referred himself as the vine and hid followers the branches Most religions even acknowledge his existence. Jesus had lived, not is symbolic. God of the Jews is the God of the Christians. The Messiah is prophesied in the Old Testament/ Torah, written way before Jesus day. He fulfilled them all. The Jews will dispute that. Why would they dispute about a man being the long awaited Messiah if did not exist? No one has disputed his existence. The Jews could. It would be to there benefit of their faith. Do your research like Lee Strobel did.
God bless john lennox
what about the millions of helpless children who suffer and die every year from starvation, dehydration, natural disasters, terminal illness, etc? apparently those children are not worthy of God's blessings
according to his waistline, Professor Lennox seems to be eating very well... so I guess you could potentially say that your prayer was answered
Theres enough land in the world to grow foods there should be no starving kids but when we die we live 4 ever in pardise with our cteator. There are thousands of Christians going to these countries to give foog and medicine and spread jesus name its getting better but we are to help and support our charities we have free will and we choose to help through gods grace
@@HoichiTheEarless if you want them to be blessed then go and help them. When Jesus ascended to the Father he left his Holy Spirit on earth so we could continue the work that Christ started on earth. When Christian aid workers go to help those in need they are showing love and care in the way that Jesus would and therefore blessing them. Love one another, take care of one another until Jesus comes back and he is coming back soon, that day will be the beginning of the end to all suffering.
@@HoichiTheEarless the bible cleary states that this is never what god intended and that when when adam and eve ate of the fruit, evil was introduced, god warned them not to, so if your going tonblame someone blame the one that deceived adam and eve
Hoichi The Earless it’s not Gods fault that many innocent children are starving and are born with sickness
Why should you blame God for something it didn’t do
You know, it's not the arguments that i like the most, but the respect among John and fellow atheists.
He sounds like a(n) old character in the elder scrolls series
Hail Talos!
Carter W. Have a good day
Hm? Need something?
@@miguelthealpaca8971 aaROw To ThE knEe
the_person_that_playz_gamez you sound like a(n) virgin
The foolish man says in his heart, there is no God.
Prove it
@@kanazamkniety7705 you are the proof
@@Joy-ii4ln wait beacuse im confused are you trying to say that theres no God Or you are trying to insult me or i just didnt understand the comment (I am Christian)
@Andrew Capasso what the fuck is going on already? What i have to prove ?
Falsify:
Religion is a funny thing. I'm on here, as an atheist, in an attempt to better understand theism. How many theists attempt to educate themselves on a different position to that of 'God made everything?'
The trouble with religion is that it cannot falsify itself. There's nothing to work with.
If we found a black polar bear, the statement, "all polar bears are white" would be falsified. This is the very basic nature of science. Always looking to prove itself wrong. When you can no longer prove anything to be wrong in a particular field, you've got a good chance, not a definite certainty, that you're correct.
All religion cannot do this. It's impossible.
Omniscient and free will:
Please can someone help me with my faith? I'm struggling.
If God is omniscient, eternal and omnipresent, how could he have free will too?
As in, if he knows exactly what will happen at any point in time, then how can he have free will to make any choice?
I'm not God therefore I might have beef for my dinner, but I could change my mind. If all events are laid out already and God knows what they are before they happen, how can he have any choice in the matter?
I’ve been scrolling down the comments section, and I wanna say something real quick to anyone who may or may not have seen the way I’ve replied:
1: I am NOT an atheist. I am religious, and have been for a long time.
2: Despite having faith, I STILL RESPECT OTHERS’ OPINIONS. I can’t stand the judging replies to non-religious commenters. Sure, you might not believe the non-religious comments, but that doesn’t mean you should put them down.
3: PEOPLE HAVE THEIR OWN OPINIONS. This ties in with what I just said, and I seriously can’t stress this enough. I’m not defending or condemning any commenters, but PEOPLE WILL STILL BELIEVE WHAT THEY BELIEVE. JUST RESPECT OTHERS’ OPINIONS.
Just a little something I wanted to say. Thanks for reading! :p
edit: didn’t realize my comment would actually start a discussion! anyway, my point still stands, pls don’t be rude to atheists or theists because that’s just stupid :)
Beautifully well written good sir! :)
I agree on you with all points.
But it is mostly the atheist who put down theist by saying that we're dumb. Or getting arrogant thinkging of themselves that they are to intelligent to believe in a God.
And me, as a believer, i see that they have a standpoint which offends God. I know that their chance of getting into heaven shrinks if they continue to live their ignorant lifes... so i often try to open their eyes. But they never understand, they say "i don't believe in fairytailes" offending God even more, putting God down as a fairytaile, as a joke. But still i never lose my patience, because anger is a tool of ghe devil and not in God's favor.
I think we the believers must hold together, no matter if jew, christian or muslim. In the end those are all abrahamic religions who all praise the same God, they only refer to different books, which all came from God in different times to bring us down to the right path everytime faith faded away.
Atheism inevitably leads to nihilism, which is an unpleasant worldview, and this is why they resort to the attacks. Even though they don't believe, I suspect that deep down, having no eternal truth and no connecting to a greater mystical body is unsettling.They can't or won't believe using logic, so the gut reaction is to lash out. I was an atheist for 40 years. I get it.
BenNuttinYahoosreel Deep
@Chait Singh ua-cam.com/video/1jhNZClEL8Y/v-deo.html
Fantastic. I love hearing him speak.
"Since man is not omniscient or infallible, you have to discover what you can claim as knowledge and how to prove the validity of your conclusions."
-Ayn Rand-
I have a chilling feeling that it all comes down to this " Who do you say I am? "
We want answers. We can't have them. Believe or not, it's still faith. No one knows. But if the God of the universe asked that question, it implies that in some strange way, the only answer the almighty is interested in is the one that can't be proven.
“Just have faith” is something cult leaders and conmen say.
@@craigknepley6021 it may be something they “say” but they have no saving faith...
What makes your imaginary best friend exists? Stick to objective facts.
@@ericbell940 lol why are you all so edgy and cringey you’re not doing any favors coming off so Blaise bitchy and weird
@@ericbell940 if we stick to objective facts, nothing cannot create something.
Richard Dawkins sitting in the second row doesn't appear to be happy. lol
@AC He got his chance later and pretty much got trounced by Lennox at a formal debate between them.
@@angusmacangus3181 Trounced? in what universe? I mean only if you believe in comic book characters created by the Flavian dynasty
@@tsunami770 ua-cam.com/video/OVEuQg_Mglw/v-deo.html
@@angusmacangus3181 watched it,ouch!
@@angusmacangus3181 watched the whole thing, it was painful ( do you believe in your eyes or do you believe in what I'm telling you to believe? ) kind of debate. John Lennox might as well be telling you to believe in fairies or unicorns the debate would be the same.
It's funny how the concept of nothing is never fully comprehended. For nothing to truly be nothing it not only must be devoid of not just matter but concept as well, and here in lay the problem. the moment nothing is associated with something, it ceases to be nothing by association so there for there is no such a thing as nothing. everything is something.
I like what was used by the Proff. In theC.S.Lewis book-- Lion,the witch, and the wardrobe," Logic! Why don't they teach logic in these schools. "
Well put sir.
ADAM YOUNG The ninth century theist Scotus Erigena alleged God existed as something. Said God was also claimed to be nothing, because the God was not an object. A superposition, I guess, at least, for good old Scot. In maths, there is the concept of a null, which cannot be placed on a number line.
Deduct a Trillion from a Trillion and you have 0 aka nothing. The universe indeed can come from nothing.
Charles van Dijk So you’re gonna put your money that the universe was created by chance? Are you joking?
1. If the universe needs a Cause to exist, why doesn't God?
2. If god can exist with out cause. Why can't the universe?
3. Aren't we taking the rules of the universe, applying them to a time before the universe, where they may not apply?
1- Becuase he's god! Duh-uh! I've defined him not needing a cause, therefore he doesn't! It's really simple logic YoU aThEiStS deny in your sin.
2- Because the universe isn't god, you silly!
3- God can make it with magic.
/s
EDIT: I made this for humor, but than I red a message for real claiming just that... sometime comments can make one hope for humankind so low, oh! so low.
The third of your questions is probably the most difficult one for theists to properly answer. We have no reason to believe that an environment which pre-existed the universe should in any way resemble the universe. If cause-effect relations are constitutive of the universe, to the extent where the latter can be defined as the totality of all such relations, it is reasonable to believe that they did not pre-date the universe but rather were themselves a product, but of this is the case it follows that the universe cannot be an effect, which indicates that it does not have a cause.
However, we could go one step further and ask whether cause-effect relations are even something we find in the universe, or whether they’re something we project onto it (e.g. in order to get around what David Hume identified as the problem of ‘constant conjunction’ in which we can only say that event b came after event a, and not that b was *caused* by a).
Whether we take theistic position or atheistic position, we agree on one thing that something can exist without a cause.
Theistic position is God is the first with no cause and creator.
Atheistic position is something else is the beginning like universe.
So the real question is who it is? Is He God? Or is it the Universe. What makes more sense?
Another important question is what is Universe according to you? Is Univers pre big bang or something post big bang?
@@seekhoarseekhao7196 "we agree on one thing that something can exist without a cause"
It's not really that we agree on that. And I speak for me, I can't do that for ALL atheists. What I agree with is we can't eliminate possibilities and therefore declare one over the other being true, there could be possibilities we don't know and perhaps possibilities we will never know. And what I agree with is we are still applying mechanics valid in the universe but we don't really know if they are a property appliable as a general principle.
"Theistic position is God is the first with no cause and creator.
Atheistic position is something else is the beginning like universe"
Not only that, for that reason you should refrain from applying principle to "atheists" thinking as a monolith. For example, there's the possibility "beginning of the universe" makes no sense, like asking wht's north of northpole.
"So the real question is who it is? Is He God? Or is it the Universe. What makes more sense?"
Why it has to be a "who"? Why are you burdening your question assuming an agent? The real question is HOW it worked out, not WHO did it, and not if it makes sense to me: it doesn't really HAVE to.
"Another important question is what is Universe according to you? Is Univers pre big bang or something post big bang?"
Usually, but better ask because one can't really know, one refers to "universe" as the current iteration of the big bang and to "cosmo" as whatever the universe is in + the universe itself, or, in other words, all that exists.
@@seekhoarseekhao7196 The big Bang isn't the beginning of the universe. It's the The earliest point We are able to trace it back to.
1:37 shook me.
Elder Scroller
DAMN YOU!
I had my headphones in and clicked that, scared me to death.
@@TheBelovedDisciple144 rip
😂😂😂
I didn't believe in The Big Bang until that point.
🤣🤣🤣
HUMILITY IS KEY.
Professor John Lennox is top on the list of Christian Apologists I listen to. He communicates the present and ultimate preeminence of Christ in the most personal way.
@Chase Williams John Lennox was a student of C S Lewis according to his statements. There is quite a number of other Christian Apologists like him. However, I have noticed that being a convinced Christian is deeper than logical defence of the gospel. For almost all the Apologists and other Christians, there's a personal experience that unfetters the heart and brings the divinity and finished work of Christ His love into an overwhelming comprehension.
@Chase Williams Hello it is now that you are asking this genuine question that I realise I have listened to many of them without necessarily following them. So each time I come across one and listen to them again I will share with you if it is okay. I wasn't born a Muslim but I am very familiar with the religion. My dad was one before he became a Christian. This guy is one of the Apologists I respect. ua-cam.com/video/O9rcFduex1Q/v-deo.html
Delusional moron
@@olufemiadeleye9462I agree. Its amazing watching these men of God speak. I am truly at a loss for words. I recently stumbled across Mr. Lennox by accident from an interview with Mr. Kirk Cameron and after watching a lot of talks from Mr. Chuck Missler, I was looking for my new UA-cam search. If you have any other recommendations for individuals who speak in a similar way, I'd be interested in learning more. God bless!!
i'm so glad i was guided to John's lectures about God i struggle sometimes with my belief John has really helped!
What did he say that you found convincing? I certainly didn’t hear it.
@@oil_can I am convinced that Atheism is Hopelessness, they appear to be so bland and tasteless, they Believe in nothing... While with GOD and Faith, Life has meaning every positive thing you can think of.
Same here. After going through a lot of Chuck Missler's talks, I was looking for a new UA-cam search and I happened upon Mr. Lennox. I look forward to watching more. God bless!!
Belief is a weakness of the brain!
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@@rolfme5499 that's a belief. 🤦♂️
Well said Brother john
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A friend of mine who was very healthy and staunch oppose to the Christian who used to keep mocking during our school days was found lean, pale and dried physic at a Christian Prayer center. I was shock to see first him being in such physical conditions and him being at Christian prayer center. I asked him whats gotten him in such physical condition and why he being there. Low tone voice nearly whispering, he said that he was suffering from incurable diseases and that doctor has surrendered him. That's why he was in prayer center fasting.
There are many who challenged the existence of God and power of super being at first and later turned into God's staunch servant after having encountered the life threatening incidents. One will find mostly such people in Christian ministry.
On the basis of science and our mental faculty reasoning ability, we can make certain conclusion and proposition but there's something really beyond our own control if that's called God in every religion. That's what my life taught me.
abang ambu
so no disrespect at all, but lots and lots and lots of people can turn to fasting as a wonderful healing practice without having to adopt a religion to go along with it. Religions don’t own, or even trademarked fasting. You know?
That’s just how I understand your comment, when I just now read it.
maybe your friend just "fasted' too much and THAT was contributing to his physical condition. If he said he was dying, I sort of have to take his word for it, but frankly ALL OF US are dying. It's just really a question of "HOW SOON" and by what means. My dad and my brother died that way. Neither one became christians over it. they just did the best they could to face their fate. My dad was not religious but self-identified as vaguely-"protestant" when pressed to say. My brother was a fairly devout buddhist.
And many who devoutly believe and later lose faith. Your point? Your friend did not cope well with his imminent death and grasped at straws. I am facing several life-threatening conditions, facing two operations in upcoming months and I do not beieve in God and haven't believed in Jesus since I was 17 or God since I was 23. (I'm almost 62.) If your friend proves God, how do those who lose faith or continue to disbelieve on their very deathbed not disprove him. My point is your anedoctal "evidence" is evidence of nothing.
Yes people do turn to whatever they can when life hits them hard. That doesn’t give what they turned to any validity. it only proves the human desire for comfort even if it means that comfort comes form something that isn’t real.
Those people by their suits alone make me feel dumb .
You should not be intimidated by it. Never be afraid to think rationally
the notion that you can be made to feel stupid by articles of clothing is rather telling
A force you've never seen, a being that has no independent tangible evidence, a being that requires "belief" rather than understanding, I could go on. Just because you can't see it, smell it, taste it, touch it, hear it, sense it in anyway, doesn't mean it exists. Don't confuse mass hysteria with proof. Don't confuse a book written by humans, translated many many times, revised many times, to be proof of anything.
Nice comment showing how you didn’t even watch the video given to you, just goes to show how far one can go to shield themselves from the truth
@@user-re2xl3qo7mNo he is being straight forward all Lenox did was reuse the most basic arguments ever I don't know therefore my God who is wrong all the time and quoting famous people
@@TotalAnalyst2 You nor the person I commented to could refute any of his arguments, only stating them to be false or making statements that are irrelevant to the video at hand. You could at least try to refute something, anything at all, but no, in this refusal to argue any of his points you shield yourself from the truth like I already stated
Praying for you man. Your own intellectualism is clouding your vision. Even if you remain an atheist forever, your morality will always be determined by Judeo-Christian ethics. And you will still face your Creator when you pass. That shadow will always hang over you
Strange how those who deny the existance of God will at the same time accept that 'intellegent life must exist elsewhere in the universe'. They also will agree that we only have very limited knowledge of what we experience in our three dimensional world and that physical matter may only be a tiny part of what else exists. As Socrates said "All I know is that I do NOT know"
@Scoobi Hu So which is the forth?
@scoobihu1090 You're being semantical because you cannot refute his claims. What do you gain from this correction but a short hit of dopamine in the midst of confusion and anger? Why do you willfully rebuke those who (if they truly believe what they are taught) would give up their lives for you to find their peace, their slice of Heaven?
@scoobihu1090 Who said anything about reading minds? Your argument lacks any substance against what he had to say. You're just contradicting them for the sake of it. Why?
@scoobihu1090 I'm lost. You pointed out a fourth dimension (not spatial like the other three observable ones) to try and correct this man, and you're claiming that you are 'pointing out logical fallacies'? My friend, your argument lacks coherence. I want to understand what you're trying to say, but your stance is unorthodox.
@scoobihu1090 Yes. I'm saying that you're being semantical and dragging things on that are purposeless. Who cares if he only refers to the three dimensions of space without mentioning time? His point is just as clear!
Love that Northern Ireland accent
Me too. I have the same still, after 50 years in New Zealand!
how amusing that you are enthralled with the packaging and not the product inside it.
A pure Ulster accent
Stephen A hell no doesnt sound irish at all
Wade Sharp ulster is not Irish but british.
People need more of this.
I think the world already suffers from plenty of bullshit as it is.
@@amazed66 现今人类群体需要理性引导，而不是这些胡说八道的蒙昧的反智主义。
@@amazed66 I strongly agree. Like evolution
@@calvin6879 Yeah I'm with you on that, I like evolution too.
That was sarcasm by the way, but please don't tell me you think the Bible offers more evidence over evolution?
If so, perhaps you can explain how despite religion claiming that the world is only anything from six to nine thousand years old, animal and human bones and fossils far older than that have been discovered on Earth and we won't even mention dinosaurs at this point either!
@@amazed66 Evidently you are ignorant of the absolute joke that is carbon and radiometric dating. Those have been disproved years ago but the anti God Athiest still cling to them for dear "life". You are also obviously ignorant of the many verses in The Bile that 100% have to be God inspired because the context of the verses were not discovered by man until thousands of years after they were written. Examples being Atoms, earth's free float in space, life being in the blood (aka blood lose will kill you), washing your hands in running water, the water and wind cycles, ocean currents, atomic bombs and tanks eluded to in Revelations...... but yes, please do continue to look like the oh so typical Athiest jackass
May God give you long time and healthy Professor John
Based on the size of his belly, the odds of a long life are not promising.
He's from Northern Ireland peace to god
Yea, im proud he is. I am too, a travelling preacher in New Zealand
@alistair watt Agreed. Most religions need to be eradicated.
@alistair watt it has nothing to do with religion I'm from Northan Ireland
peace to Northern Ireland, more like.
@alistair watt
it's possible however that the irish and the brits might still find something ELSE to fight about. Some of them have been known to actually get along however.
Peter: "For we did not follow cleverly devised stories when we told you about the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ in power, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty".
Me: sorry but all your witnesses of Jesus's power were characters in a 2000 year old book written by some kid with an overactive imagination
@@adityahegde4560 wow your biblical studies are quite lacking.
@@bretzajac7986 Fools rush in where angels fear to tread.
@@adityahegde4560 This is one of the most popular arguments there is against the New Testament. "The Apostles made everything up". But that argument completely falls apart when you take into account the fact that intentionally writing something down that wasn't true was completely unknown at the time.
@@adityahegde4560 And if you're actually using the argument that it was all created by some kid; well, that's even more unintelligent. No child back then could of never written in such a fluent, and comprehensive way. Read Paul's letter to the church, you'd be suprised at how great of a writer Paul was.
In a world of evil, is it better that love be a possibility? or that it remain impossible?
No matter what levels of evil we see; love still has the power to prevail.
God Is love.
@Margie Smith How is it so that "I only see evil"? Are you speaking to an overall image you've had given to you?
Also, if it were true, then Richard Dawkins would be right in that Hitler was just dancing to the rhythm of his own DNA.
How could any of us have decided that he should be stopped?
And then, which one is more right or more wrong?
Hitler or stopping Hitler?
@Margie Smith Or stopping the 100 million+ slaughtered in the 20th century from anti theists rule dominating throughout?
From abortion, to Death camps, Gulags, Killing fields, Communist China (1921)
It comes down to an overall ethical issue.
Your "right" and "wrong" isn't subjective as you wish..
Everyone is benevolent, until something happens to be annoying them.
I find it interesting that the debate he describes with his atheist friends sound like the debates I have with mine. The spiritual is the spiritual no matter what our education. Love John Lennox.
"We need a philosophy of reason and of rational self-interest, a philosophy that would once again release the power of man’s mind and the energy inherent in his pursuit of happiness. Nothing less will save America or individual rights."
-Leonard Peikoff-1986
I love John Lennox!! God bless him richly!!
I’ve watched the counter argument and I’m 10 minutes in and he’s talking in circles making no real factual statements to back up his argument. He’s stating opinions and using big words. This what I mean. Whenever I watch a debate of a person stating how God is real they never really say HOW and can never provide evidence and/or research as to how their theory is factual which then makes it merely an opinion
This is my testimony of how God got my attention supernaturally ua-cam.com/video/eMezoh2qgRw/v-deo.html, but some of the other great evidence for Christianity is the many prophecies from the Old Testament that have been fulfilled in the New Testament. Isaiah 52:13-Isaiah 53 is a great one and tells us why Jesus would die.
God is love, the self-sacrificing love of Christ of the Cross. What more do you want? We can't see Him, but we can experience Him.
I thought we watched the same video
I love this kind old man.
Why? He's spreading non-sense and making fallacious arguments debunked more than a hundred years ago. Because he speaks eloquently and gives you hope? Persuasion by sophistry and emotion has no place in the pursuit of understanding reality.
@rptrm82 Who is a racist?
@@takkiejakkie5458 reality is aborted children, depressed teens who are radicalized with sex and lust at very young ages, domestic abuse and father and mothers beating up their children, teenagers who dont value relationships and just go in with their insatiable desire of sexual fantasies but form no deep relationships, people who murder, society that wants to divide itself by race, gender and politics. I am sure you know that the things I have mentioned are just a few. Now tell me in all of your intelligence and reasoning. How would you overcome all these? By scientific reasoning? Trial and error?
@@stevenablos36 Religion is the way
@@takkiejakkie5458
If you will leave an emotional part of our existence aside as if emotions are some useless side-effects we experience, you will never get into the depths of reality of the universe.
You have no idea how fundamentally important emotional experiences are. It is impossible to know what is good or evil, what is just and what is unjust without emotions. Everything we do we always feel. You are driven by emotions all the time, even studying science, the reason you like it is that it makes you FEEL good, it is a positive emotional experience to learn new things.
When it comes to searching after God, the emotions are at the highest levels possible, humility, honesty, chastity, and modesty are must to have to be near God's presence.
As an atheist, I appreciated getting to hear for the first time this highly intelligent and jovial man speak.
He's got it all figured out. He's a great inspiration to the mindless. Lol all his videos he says the sr thing in the circle
Why would anyone respect a mind who settles and is afraid of questions unanswered?
Lennox is extremely stupid!
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I believe in God too Prof John Lennox. I believe in Jesus Christ who lived, died, and rose again after 3 days, redemption by grace through faith.
May you live longer and stay stronger so you keep enlightening the minds of intellectuals. 😊🙏🏼🙌🏼😇
Why do you believe?
@@janiveija5040 , your question went unanswered, so if you will allow me, I can tell you why I believe.
My belief goes well beyond the obvious that all people know, that we live in a mind-blowingly complex existence that has an impossibly balanced ecosystem in a universe that is impossibly fine-tuned in order to even exist, with natural laws that are confoundingly reliable, all created from an explosion which would naturally create chaos and destruction, but somehow created order and beauty instead.
It goes beyond the staggering complexity and computer-like design of DNA. Beyond the intrinsic sense that we all have, though some successfully suppress, that there is more to this life that meets the eye. My belief that there is a God goes beyond the endless string of what could be called coincidences if taken individually, but impossible to intellectually be able to claim the full composite thereof as such.
My belief goes beyond the fact that for the 19 years I have known Jesus, that every promise and claim in his word I have found in my own personal life to have been upheld and true. Beyond the fact that every prophecy that has come to pass, the Bible correctly predicted. Some attempt to deny this, none have been able to make a reasonable case for. To the contrary, many who have attempted to debunk the Bible truth and these prophecies has come out on the other side given over to Jesus.
No, the primary reason that I absolutely believe to the point that I basically know that God is real is in the same way that anybody else can come to this same place. That in simply doing what I did 19 years ago, repenting of my sin, and receiving Jesus as Lord of my life in sincerity, that he in turn revealed himself to me by immediately, completely taking away the alcohol addiction that I had struggled with my entire adult life, and the depression that fed it. No coaching, no 12-step program, no hypnosis, not an ounce of willpower or effort exerted on my part. No desire for it whatsoever in all these 19 years. In that, I embarked on this 19 year relationship with him, in which he has consistently moved in ways that simply cannot be explained in the natural. Unnatural healings on my wife and kids, Supernatural blessing in my finances, guidance and direction that led to great benefit for me. And others through me.the changes in me from the fully self-absorbed man I used to be. The fulfillment and peace of mind that he gave me immediately when I received him, the night-and- day change in my life across the board. I am no one special, this is the testimony of millions of believers throughout the entire world, throughout all of time. He is no respecter of persons Jani, he loves us all the same. He is ready and willing to do the exact same for you if you just give him that opportunity. There is a plethora of evidence even more than the scratching of the surface I laid out for you in this comment. Truly, I hope with all my heart that you can find it in yourself 2 take this simple step to see for yourself that God is real, and that he loves you dearly! Take care.
@@johnboehmer6683 Im gonna ignore the first few statements which is the usual creationist mumbojumbo. "Look at the perfection, therefore god". Life is fine tuned for this planet. This planet aint fine tuned for life. And your next point which is the addiction struggle, i think you should give yourself more credit for becoming sober. You have done an amazing job with it, congratulations. I see no effort or way to measure or detect how jesus would have helped you in that. Before you attempt to use supernatural as your reason for something, you must confirm the existence of this supernatural.
@@janiveija5040 , maybe you should go back and read it again for confirmation of the supernatural... I didn't have to do a thing! This thing that I absolutely needed before I committed myself to Jesus, I instantly have absolutely no desire for on the other side of that prayer! No willpower or effort invoked whatsoever. You see, I know because it happened to me. I know that means little to you, I'm a stranger to you, it didn't happen to you. But that is why each person owes it to themself to see for themselves, that you're not chumping yourself out of eternal Paradise in exchange for hell in doing so,and all the blessings he has for you in this life.
Former hardcore atheists claim Supernatural experiences in coming to Jesus in their testimonies also. You really ought to at least check this out before you attempt to deny that which you have no experience in.
By the way, you may want to revisit your statement, "life is fine-tuned for this planet", and realize God is all up in the midst of it.
@@johnboehmer6683 Exactly, independent experiences that cant be confirmed are really not an evidence for me, as they are for you. Im afraid evolution is the phenomenon that adapts life suitable to its environment. If you claim that god is behind evolution, that unfortunately needs a confirmation.
JL is a class act and gentleman and spot on!
" Man is an end in himself. "
-Ayn Rand-
I would not doubt he is a gentleman, its just that, based on this, his credit as an academic is very much questionable.
@@artsveiman7776 You must be talking about a different JL. Even if so, it's intellectual snobbery to believe only academics carry the necessary prerequisite of understanding to debate. If that were the case why did you waste your time watching since by your own measure, you haven't the ability to understand it! BTW the (JL) John Lennox here is Professor is an internationally renowned professor of Mathematics at Oxford University and holds an MA Bioethics and PHD from Cambridge University as well as being a Senior Fellow at several institutes in Germany. Last he's an Author of dozens of publications
@@abbiebeast He presented no substantial proof to back up ANY of his arguments.
hes a mathematician therefore he is supposed to be an academic, and yet he fails to adhere to the basic requirements of academia.
I am uncertain if in any of his publications he provides more solid statements, but the fact that he claimed jesus rose from the dead because his tomb was empty is beyond moronic.
That he has written dozens of books is not valid proof of his claims as an academic or an intellectual, for crying out loud there are dumb as bricks politicians that are on the bestsellers list, the content of which is toilet paper in the academic sense, yet are held in high regard by many conservatives.
If this man is the academic he is presumed to be, no proof of it was presented in the comments he made in this presentation.
Because of the overwhelming evidence of resurrection of Jesus Christ the deciples saw with their own eyes the twelve deciples started preaching boldly about the salvation of God through Jesus Christ to all over the world..and eleven of them died as martyrs. So Christianity spread all over the world rapidly in spite of the opposition.
Praise be to God. 🙏
Obviously you cannot distinguish between reality and fairy tales!
Jesus never existed!
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Bull shit.
Philosophy is like being in a dark room and looking for a black cat.
Metaphysics is like being in a dark room and looking for a black cat that isn't there.
Theology is like being in a dark room and looking for a black cat that isn't there, and shouting "I found it!"
Science is like being in a dark room looking for a black cat while using a flashlight.
Social Science is like being in a dark room suspecting from the beginning that there is a black cat somewhere, and emerging from the room with scratches on the forearm as vindication.
Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.
If god existed there would be no need to prove his existence
One may also argue that if science existed, experiments would be unnecessary.
@@hzting985 one must not be tempted to comment nonsensical in a vain attempt to say something smart
@@walterdaems57 Glad you find it nonsensical. It is! "If x existed, x's existence does not need to be proven". That is not a valid argument.
@@hzting985 and now you’re becoming downright pathetic in your attempt to save face. But since I’m in a good mood I will give you the XL version of my quote.
If god existed there would be no need to prove his existence because he would be perceived or at the very least be experienced by believers and non believers alike and since that’s clearly not the case it’s safe to say that god’s are man made and not the other way around
If you gonna comment again, a real effort would be greatly appreciated
@@walterdaems57 thank you for taking the time to clarify your point :) I stand by my previous comment, which you merely dismissed as "pathetic" without addressing why.
Regarding your XL quote, the Bible says: "For since the creation of the world, God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse." Romans 1:20
It would be naive to think that one of us would change our mind through UA-cam comments. So I'll end with this:
"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
All the best!
Science only explains what is there..it does not explain what is not there..
@ThunderOtaku [Nightcore] can you scientifically prove that
Christians prove what's bot there but not what is there
Al Khan there is no need to explain something that is not there. I don’t need a scientist, or anyone else, to explain the pixies that don’t live at the bottom of my garden, or the unicorn that’s not in my garage.
Your God is the ever shrinking god of the gaps in human knowledge.
Science does not believe in what is not there. Thats the characteristic of ignorant people.
Well said. I am not a believer but I always appreciate a rational approach to belief - even if I disagree.
Its good to see that there is still middle ground people on both sides willing to hear the arguments of both sides.
If Christianity were true, will you become a Christian?
@@jasontabifor75 a rhetorical question I think as the evidence is contrary but, if Christ were to present himself tomorrow, I don't see that most logical people would think otherwise. That said, after a few thousand years, the prospect seems unlikely.
@@patrickmac2799 So if you discovered that Christianity were true, will you become a Christian?
I ask this genuinely (not sarcastically or as a rhetorical question): Can you give a rational explanation for your own beliefs in Atheism and/or Dogmatic Scientism (blind faith in the current academic consensus like a religious text)?
Atheism is rooted in Dogmatic Scientism which is why I ask for both.
I ask because I've noted many Atheists tend to think their worldview doesn't involve faith. But it does. An enormous amount of it, particularly in academia and faith in questions science can't possibly answer due to its limitations
He is wonderful... Man who has known truth
Lennox believes that fairy tales are true!
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This speech is not merely a product of intellectualism. Only someone truly in the Holy Spirit can exercise this level of wisdom and kerygma. Paying close attention to this speech, the delivery, the style, and the speaker reminds one of Paul the Apostle. Great job there, Professor Lennox.
@Jack Probert That's not entirely true. Humans are not a bunch of clueless, brainless beings who just sit and listen. Aside from their emotions, they also go by facts and natural logic, even if they're not university professors trained in the rules of formal logical reasoning and critical thinking. And that's the tragic mistake made by those who tend to assume that just because someone is religious, he or she is simply unthinking and misled by indoctrination.
Bottomline: naive and gullible people can be found everywhere, within and outside of religion. So, it's not a peculiarly religious situation.
Thank you for your time.
In whoever Christ wins form, this one will perceive the formlessness of those out of the Spirit of Christ. 🍷📜🗿⏳
In whomever ...? --Maybe drink less wine.
@@tatie7604 This secular world cannot use commas properly, yet you attack this man for one of the most difficult and common mistakes. How self-righteous you must be to shun this man for his faith and spit on him with harmful words! You yourself edited your comment and you put a space between your words and ellipses. Do not shun a man for his beliefs, for they are as valid as yours.
Show love, not hatred my brothers and sisters.
But when we show/talk about the love of Jesus to the people they define it as hatred. May God bless all those around 🙏🏽
Are you speaking to so called christians? You'll need to use all caps.
@@indicudYT Sorry, I have no use for the "love" (i.e. I must believe in him or face eternal torture) of your magic zombie. And I don't want to be magically enchanted by your capricious, genocidal, bloodthirsty Abrahamic skygod either.
@@bnipmnaa you are deceived for the understanding and beliefs the devil has planted in you. Get to know Jesus because his love is unconditional and everlasting. Believe and trust him; if you want to be saved you'll be saved.
The notion of Hell is a bit of a turn off.
Needed this after browsing reddit
Listen to Zakir Naik you known more about God and Islam. listen to Islam Sobhi you will feel very better.see the scientific miracles in the Quran astonished the scholars of Europe and America. They made sure that the Quran is the word of God
LMFAO reddit moment
@@hichembn4584 Respectfully, I disagree. The Bible is The Word of God, not the Quran. “Actually, there is no “other gospel”, but I say this because there are some people who are upsetting you and trying to change the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel that is different from the one we preached to you, may he be condemned to hell! We have said it before, and now I say it again: if anyone preaches to you a gospel that is different from the one you accepted, may he be condemned to hell! Does this sound as if I am trying to win human approval? No indeed! What I want is God's approval! Am I trying to be popular with people? If I were still trying to do so, I would not be a servant of Christ.”
Galatians 1:7-10
Based
lol after being told the truth u like to wrap urself in a security blanket of lies.🤣
*So let us examine what science can tell us about the origins of life*
We know from experiments in the fields of Astronomy, Chemistry, Geology and Meteorology that the early pre-biotic earth was filled with organic molecules, the building blocks of life. We also know that organic molecules are very common in space. We also know that early life has been extremely simple…meaning no complex protein machinery in place. Modern cells separate themselves from the environment with a lipid bilayer.
The problem with modern phospholipids is that they are too good at what they do. They form a nearly impenetrable barrier. Modern cells must use proteins to move molecules across their surface. But life did not have to start with modern chemicals!
The pre-biotic environment contain many simple fatty acids. Under the range of pH they spontaneously form stable vesicles and they are permeable to small organic molecules (no complex proteins are required to get stuff in). When a vesicle encounters free fatty acids in solution, it will incorporate them (eating and growth are driven purely by thermodynamics). When a vesicle grows, it adopts a tubular branched shape (because the surface are grows faster than volume), which is easily divided by natural forces (waves, currents, rocks, etc.). When this division takes place, none of the contents of the vesicle are lost.
*So what about the genetic material?*
Modern nucleotides are too stable and require complex machinery to replicate. But the pre-biotic environment contained hundreds of different types of nucleotides, not just DNA and RNA. All it took is 1 to self polymerize (recent experiments have shown that some of these are capable of self polymerization, such as Phosphoramidate DNA). Monomers will base pair with a single stranded template and self ligate. They can also polymerize in solution and spontaneously form new templates, or extend existing templates.
*No special sequences are required, it is just chemistry! But how does this become life?*
Fatty acids are permeable to nucleotide monomers but not polymers. Once spontaneous polymerization occurs within the vesicle, the polymer is trapped. Floating through the ocean the polymer containing vesicles will encounter convection currents, such as set up by hydrothermal vents. The high temperatures will separate the polymer strands and increase the membrane’s permeability to monomers. Once the temperature cools, spontaneous polymerization can occur (and the cycle repeats).
The polymer, due to surrounding ions, will increase the osmotic pressure within the vesicle, stretching its membrane. A vesicle with more polymer through simple thermodynamics will “steal” lipids from a vesicle with less polymer. They essentially, “eat” each other. The vesicle that contains a polymer that can replicate faster, will grow and divide faster, and will eventually dominate the population, and now EVOLUTION can begin.
Scientifically illiterate Lennox wouldn't have a clue what any of that means. Besides, he's so lost in his fantasy world he doesn't care.
We love you Professor Lennox! Greetings from Austria ✝
Wie irgendwer die gesamte Debatte anschaun kann und am ende auf Seite der Religiösen steht is mir ein Rätsel.... Ich hoffe du hast der Gegenseite auch zugehört
"I am confident enough to think that if you accept the importance of philosophy and the task of examining it critically, it is my philosophy that you will come to accept."
-Ayn Rand-
Amen Brother John
In summary, his arguments are "I believe", "I think" and "I wish". He failed to provide a single shred of evidence.
He made a logical argument
That is exactly what I mean, being articulate doesn't mean you proved your point. Nor did he tackle morality on basis of other theist thought processes such is Islam , Buddhism.
That's a very superficial analysis there.
Dude he provided plenty of logical evidence. Any rational person would be able to conclude that God exists.
Oh how wonderful to hear a scientist starting that he believes in God❣️ “And finishing his speech: God is real and worthy to be trusted”❣️
He is a mathematician, not a scientist. And his belief in gods is as irrelevant to math or science as is his eye colour or shoe size. Certainly, no philosopher takes his arguments seriously, as they are full of holes. Largely, in fact, they are just insults directed at those who do not share his childish beliefs. He certainly has no evidence to support his claims.
Listening to this gives me so much joy!
YES, YES and YES
Abebayehu Desalegn no no no
@@lordgodamenra8075 ua-cam.com/video/K59hobHYd1U/v-deo.html
Ever wondered why religious apologist's always quote numerous famous people to present them like evidence for their arguments, while the other group doesn't really care about whether or not a famous person have shared their same idea? Just think about it.
Exactly what I had in mind. Appeals to ethos aren’t evidence
Very good argument. His book Miracles is the fruit of similar debates: the Veritas Forum at Harvard, and is worth reading. I am thankful that some of the greatest scientific minds were Christians and did not see a competition.
Typical Christian arrogance claiming there is only one god. Perhaps there are many gods? Perhaps the Christian god is a black woman?
You see, when people say "This and that scientist OF THE PAST was theist", what I really hear is "In a time and place where your livelihood, your social status and sometime your very life depended on professing a religion, very intelligent people professed a religion!". Well, duh-uh? No shit, sherlock. They had giordano bruno and galileo as a set example.
There's a testemony!
Jhonata Reis the cross of JESUS is right behind hime in the window. It’s right behind the speaker. JESUS is LORD forever
@@abelcanales5617 God is actually the illuminati attempt to control the population. same with Islam. its a divide and conquer scenarrio. Jesus was a snake-man who tried to seduce humanity, don't follow his teachings!!!!!
@RWboi snowflake don't use your alternative facts now bitch.
@SKRIMEO how am I wrong? show me some proof that isn't falsifiable. bitch, u can't gtfo. I have some proof for u though, secret documents and records of Pope Francis have been uncovered as he talks to a notorious magistrate of the illuminati. many high level bishops have been witnessed talking how else to hypnotize the public. its all at the Thedeus society on the dark web. check it out and enlighten u self.
@@user-kd1eb6vc7y you know the devil is the father of lies .
What a brilliant presentation. The professor could not have said it better. Well done and congratulations.
Just Truth whatever makes u sleep at night m8 just remember if there is a good there's 3000 to pick from so u better be right or its eternal fire in hell
@@kidyfiddler5527That's like trying to find the answer (truth) of 2+2=? and saying "there's so many different numbers out there how can I ever pick the right one?"
You find it out by seeking the answer and discerning what's true and false.
There being many different options has no effect on which one is correct.
Thank you Kidy, you are a monument, a walking billboard, the greatest advertisement for Christianity I have ever seen. Keep spewing that venomous filth in the name of atheism buddy! People will look at your grotesque words and want to run to Jesus as a result! Thanks again, God bless you.
@@kidyfiddler5527 I'm assuming you're over the age of 6 and know fully well the things you say. This means you are responsible for what you say. This means God has every right to hold you accountable for what you say, and you are saying some very corrupt and vile things.
Life is not a fairytale where actions have no consequences and you can say and do what you like and not be a responsible adult.
If you think that's how life works try telling that to a judge after commiting a crime. They won't care how you feel or if you think you're not responsible, they'll just throw you in jail for life if that's the verdict.
Right now you might think you're getting away with it, and you might even think it's kind of cute. But unless you repent to God and let him take over your life, you will be held accountable. I pray that you will do this. God is incredibly forgiving beyond what human's can understand, this is the only reason this forgiveness is possible.
Just Truth - well, he could have said it a lot better. For example, he could have produced some - thinks...what's that thing people sometimes use to argue or prove a point - ah, yes, actual evidence.
John 17 : 5 " .......................... Father, glorify me in Your own presence with the glory I had with you before the world began."
@equalism 42 someone as intelligent as you should see that God exists.
It's harder to believe that life and everything we have came from nothing, than to believe in God.
Noone ever claimed life and "everything" came from nothing but theists. And no, it's not harder not believing in a god: it's natural steps all the way back, I have no reason to think the last one, even if hidden, has to be supernatural.
"The battle of philosophers is a battle for man's mind. If you do not understand their theories, you are vulnerable to the worst among them."
-Ayn Rand-
How can this man be a scientist...
@joashsmusic ok" wow"... you want to answer my question with a question..? brilliant... and wow number two... are you comparing Isaac Newton to John Lennox...? Really...!? And you didn't even bother to try to answer my question.... you made me laugh and you've hurt my feelings...
Because he is
Hengel Hardcore: By the Grace of God and his faith in the Grace of God.
God bless you.
How can you be in this comment section? Because you chose to. Easy. Question done. If you're wondering how he is a scientist for the statements he made. Then you clearly didn't watch the video fully. He stated his beliefs and statements and explained why he thinks that way for each of them. It's not his fault you don't pay attention.
Richard Dawkins praying 1:41
Lol!!
LOL 😂
that was hillarious
Haha.
Good night one!
@@MacCadalso god is just fiction😎.
God bless you Dr John..thanks for the WORD OF GOD
There is NO "Word of God". The bible is nothing more than men assuming the authority of a phony god to control others.
Dr John May be intelligent when it comes to math but that all . Nothing he says proves god. And he only believes because his indoctrination was just too strong for him to get over.
@@garywalker447 "control" bullshit. God gives us free will and a chance to live a life through him
@@rrjkss3992 God is real whether you like it or not
Will Baldene I bet you believe the earth is flat.
A very well put together gospel that summarizes our Heavenly Father’s grand plan, thanks John.
you have not the vaguest idea what the "heavenly father's grand plan" is. for all you know, it might feature you being dead by tomorrow night.
What's your point? Why say something with no point?
@@sentientmlem727
people who adhere to artificial versions of reality, tend to also usurp social resources and make bad decisions about how to apply them. That is why. In my social structure I find myself having to deal with them. Ironically when this topic comes up in conversation, they tend to claim that they are not involved in politics.
Which just indicates their lack of grasp of what harm they are doing to the rest of society.
@@sentientmlem727
WRT "...Why say something with no point?..."
preachers have been making a living that way for at least a thousand years of christendom. unlikely that it did not exist as a thing prior to common era.
Heavenly Father? Where is Heaven? Why so sexist? Could God not be a Mother or even a Turtle? Why so limiting? Does God need to gender specific? Do you need God to be a Father? Are you looking for an omnipotent Father figure in your life to give you a sense of purpose and value? is it this Father's plan to wipe out millions of people in various wars? Is it your Father's plan to have peoples fight with each other so viciously? Surely such a powerful "Being" could think of some better way? This "plan" bit is just a convenience. Should I shoot my enemies and say to the judge, "God told me to, I believe it is "his" plan?" And if the judge doesn't agree, well of course, he/she is a non-believer.