SHE HULK Ep. 1 Review | Rushed, Sloppy, Man-Hating CRAP!
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- Опубліковано 20 сер 2022
- Ms Marvel may have lowered the bar, but She Hulk just dropped it through the floor.
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I think the question on everybody's mind is, will She Hulk cause you more or less mental damage than Batwoman?
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Because even if i liked the batwoman from the comics
In this two characters get destroyed
She Hulk and Hulk
Two beloved character
With one was one of the face of the MCU
@@SubZero-hs9xc "i liked the batwoman from the comics "
Which one, the actual Batwoman or the lesbian virtue singaling reboot from 2009? People don't realize just how long this woke sh*t has been going on.
@@MeltonCrest eeh
Man you can not like her and is fine,
Not my business.
But the original batwoman you talk was just a flat character that appeared like three times that was did to stop the joke of Batman being gay.
Batwoman Kate isn't even the previous one rebooted,was like a daughert or a relate
And you say woke just because she is gay?
She was created when weren't so much gay characters.And the thing was used to write her romance, not identity politics
She doesn't become the New Batman
She does her own things, she has her rogue
She wasn't the Best character ever created but she was good
Well I mean She-Hulk is shorter at least compared to 3 seasons of "I'M A WOMAAANNN"
@@MeltonCrest Or the character from The Mystery Of The Batwoman?
Seriously there are so many versions of the character it's not even funny.
If She-Hulk is so scared of being murdered, why does she hook up with strangers she meets on the internet?
Someone so paranoid about that would remember the Craigslist offer.
Because she's not very smart?
@@richardh776 don't be racist. She hulk be stupid. She straight sexist and racist. Don't be like her. Seriously. I'm a part of our local Chicago BLM and we will cancel your racist ass
Cause she can't be an inpowered woman unless she a proper garden tool
@@richardh776 says the man who wrote that sentence....
Batwoman gets cancelled
Thorias: Finally it's over.
Marvel: No there is another.
CJ: Aw shit here we go again
" IT WAS SAID ,
YOU WOULD DESTROY
THE SITH ,
I MEAN CRAPPY
STORYTELLING ,
NOT JOIN THEM ! "
That scene where she lecture Hulk about how she has it harder at controlling her anger, making it seem like catcalling and being talked down to is apparently worse than being the subject of a multiple year long manhunt, fearing for the safety of litterally every person if he gets even a little anger, being forced to abandon his life, friends and family, and becoming so depressed he tried to kill himself only for that to fail, is easily one of the most infuriating scenes in any hero story.
How entitled does this chick think she is and how full of themselves are the writers to actually believe a guy who was suicidal for god know how long has it easier than a woman.
You completely missed the point she's expressing that she has to control her anger as a woman it's expected of her to control it she didn't say catcalling was worse then what Bruce went through she's expressing that as a woman catcalling is extremely dangerous majority of man don't take no for answer they will keep harassing forcing a woman that's how most women end raped or murdered
@@sukuna6630 Yeah except that's complete and utter bullshit. Virtually all statistics and data proven men are murdered WAY more often than women. Second catcalling is not extremely dangerous. At worst they are unwanted compliments or words that you can just ignore and walk away from. Just cause someone makes some rude sex comment doesn't suddenly mean they are gonna rape you, unless you're an uber paranoid crazy person who thinks all men are rapists.
@@sukuna6630 "Majority of men?" Really? "Majority."
@@sukuna6630 I'm sorry, but OP is right.
She's got nothing on Bruce, trauma wise. If she thinks catcalling is the worstest shit ever, she's fucking delusional.
Also, the majority of catcalling doesn't end up in permanent harassment, rape or murder.
This iteration of She Hulk is just a typical overdramatic narcissist.
And if we use the background of the comics he gets abused too
My sister is not even into She Hulk or any comics for that matter.
She turned to me yesterday and said "Have you seen that trailer? For She Hulk? It looks so stupid."
Even normies are rejecting it.
@@Sucmydack "even normies are rejecting it" so yeah, his sister is a normie, not very smart I bet.
Honestly I have to imagine that kind of perception will do far more damage than anything comic fans have to say. Shows like this are designed specifically to appeal to normal women. They just happen to also come off as extremely sexist because women who make this don't actually talk to many other women. Or really anyone else outside their chosen circle for that matter
@@BullyMaguirejr Not wasting her time watching a garbage show.
I'd say that's pretty smart, actually.
This really is Marvel’s Batwoman, the way Jen treats Bruce in general after everything he’s been through royally pissed me off.
Has it come across your mind that maybe she doesn't know what he has been through? We as the audience know, she as his cousin doesn't.
@@skychieftain Given how many threats to the earth have happen at this point. Be it Thanos or someone else. I think it a bit hard to believe they would know nothing. Even if she not fully aware of all the details, surely she would at least be aware how many times her cousin help to save the earth from some major threat or another.
Her cousin wouldn’t? Very doubtful.
@@skychieftain I'm pretty sure she would know given that she's his COUSIN and all. Even if she didn't know, that wouldn't explain why she thinks it's okay to treat him the way she does.
@@skychieftain Be honest, these writers sat on your face didn't they?
The scene that made me really like Kate Bishop's character in Hawkeye was the scene right after Hawkeye losses his hearing aid and she helps him communicate with his son over the phone. She had a bit of an attitude up til then but at that moment you can see her realizing what he sacrificed to save the world and what he was currently sacrificing to help her and she genuinely felt sympathy and regret for dragging him into the situation they were now in. Plus afterwards to help cheer him up she goes out of her way to throw him a Christmas party just like the kind he would have had if he hadn't come to help her. To me that was why she came off as a genuinely likable character
Kate Bishop is the best character of Phase 4 imho (I know it’s not a tough competition), and one of my favourite MCU characters (and competition there is a lot more fierce)
Kate bishop was so good
@@anakinegbensetalo9733 plus I love the actress
@@anakinegbensetalo9733 Yelena is pretty good too
Jen Walters would berate Hawkeye and say he doesn't have it as bad as her because she stubbed her toe one time, and therefore can shoot arrows super perfect because she's had practice with a stubbed toe.
In the comics, Jen's origin was that a mob boss named Nicholas Trask called a hit on her because she was working with one of Trask's men who was turning state's evidence in a case against Trask. Trask also killed her mother. So you were somewhat right about her comic origin. Which, ironically enough, if they kept her origin of Trask calling a hit on her would justify the "I could get literally murdered" line.
Nothing could justify that line because for one she’s telling it to Bruce and to anyone and anyone is at risk of being murdered so it doesn’t make her special
The real she hulk wouldn't shove that in his face, If she wasn't a petty misandrist she would actually have some empathy and feel for Bruce, apparently this Jennifer Walters has no empathy.
And as I recall, the mobsters shot her at her home while Bruce was visiting. Bruce had to give her an emergency blood transfusion to save her life before, y'know, having to flee so the cops wouldnt find him.
And instead we get...this.
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You know that would be way too interesting of a storyline.
They had to make sure she got her powers on her own somehow basically. So it wasn't like Bruce would save her.
I mean they even made it look like she had to save Bruce. Which is completely ridiculous
Hulk: I tried to kill myself.
She-Hulk: That's nothing! Random people on the STREET FIND ME ATTRACTIVE!!! DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW HORRIBLE THAT IS!?!?
Woment.
Catcalling is not really about finding you attractive.respectfully shush.
@@iwillgowiththatcat8667 Ah yes, the " omg i got catcalled " i am going to suicide now , i have deep depression cos i was catcalled , my life is so hard cos of it. It is so much more horrible then abuse or rape, or murder. I can cry now. As a woman i find people who think like that disgusting egoistic garbage. "Bu hu hu i am a woman so i cant deal with anything. All is offensive." What kind of crap is this? You arent five years old. You are an adult. Act like it.
@@iwillgowiththatcat8667 actually that's exactly what it's about. Men don't do that to an ugly woman.
@@iwillgowiththatcat8667 I'd sure like video of an ugly woman getting cat called. It's UA-cam we await your upload and link.
The second I saw the" I infinitely control my anger more than you" line I knew the reviewers are going to have to FIELD DAY
If you have nor real rage, it's easy to control. That's simply it.
I had one Hulk comic book a long time ago and that one alone showed A'LOT of horrible stuff Bruce Banner had gone through:
City being mostly destroyed by Hulk.
Lot's of people dead, dying or seriously hurt.
Hearing the cry and scream of people around him, knowing that he caused everything.
Living without place to sleep, begging for food or anything helpful.
Being social outcast, since he has to constantly stay low from army pursuer.
He even tried suicide by shooting himself into his mouth, failing since bullet couldn't harm him and he transformed to Hulk yet again.
These are just a small sample of Bruce Banner's life experience.
Comic fans can probably come up more stuff.
His father abused him and experimented on him. That was revealed as part of the reason why he manifests alternate personalities as different versions of the Hulk (Dissociative Identity Disorder on top of anger management issues).
His father murdered his mother... IN FRONT OF Him!
I think you made your point that these versions of the hulks suck and that there are better versions in other media.
Comic book fans have more of a spine in them... at least back in the day.
@@normadgarmez7026 That wasn't my intention.
My comment was aimed at the She-Hulk's rant, that was brought up in this video.
When Thorias explained that here, I didn't know about this scene.
And it made me angry, not rage way but more silently for a reason I explained previously.
I didn't like at all how in that scene She-Hulk downplayed Bruce's horrible experience.
It's like for example telling to a trauma patience that you don't have real problems, which I sadly have seen in real life.
Also if stress and anger are her triggers, then being a lawyer is the WORST job for that sort of thing. No joke, being a Lawyer ranks right up there with doctor as one of the most stressful jobs out there. I've heard horror stories of lawyers often getting very little sleep for weeks when working on cases, turning to alcohol and other substances to cope and even suicide being a fairly common thing to.
So yeah, Bruce telling her to stop being a lawyer, especially with how emotionally unstable this jenn is, is very smart.
Stop mansplaining 🤣
@@trickstersatyr6255 they are so mad lmao it’s hilarious
@@halfwayliving Yes, there are far better, less sexist, less dismissive responses than the one they gave.
It makes no sense as a response to what the OP said.
Being a superhero isn't any better than a lawyer Bruce alternative is actually WORSE
@@daredevil2382 Bruce was kinda forced into being a superhero
Far as I know: the reason Bruce has to deal with the Savage Hulk, Joe Fixit, Devil Hulk, and so-on is because of the trauma he went through as a child and it eventually blossoming into a form of dissociative identity disorder.
Jen can control her Hulk form because she, and most other Gamma changed people (in the comics) don't have the same mental disorder Bruce does. Hell, most of the other people who become Hulks/Hulk-like beings prefer their Hulk form to their normal one, which makes controlling that form even easier! The only gamma mutated people I can think of who hate what they are would be: Flux, Abominatrix, and Ogress in the comics. I'm far from surprised they simply decided to take what could've been an interesting story of self-discovery and turn it into "I'm just the better Hulk without even trying".
The Hulks are who they want to be on the inside but Bruce doesn't want to give in to the Rage because of the whole thing with his Dad hence the Split Personality.
@@31altair I think it's more like all of the Hulks Bruce can become in the comics are built on years of repressed emotion or personality traits that Bruce is ashamed of. Though, you're probably right about wanting to separate himself from his father in terms of not showing the rage like he did.
Dude, this was written by middle-aged, normy women. They don't care about this stuff. They probably just took the gig because writing for a Marvel show would look good on their resume.
@@collegerebel I understand that; but it's just such shit storytelling that anyone looking at that resume you're talking about seeing the show's name would go to the next option.
And I have just heard of Flux and Ogress TODAY!
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The whole "I can control my anger speech...," could have worked if they used the fact she's a lawyer. Particularly a prosecutor. Lawyers have one of the most stressed filled jobs and yet a good chunk of it requires them to calm and level headed. How about using examples of remaining cool under pressure when psychopath defendants try to intimidate her. Or maybe dealing with the stress of knowing the person's guilty but evidence is circumstantial. They didn't need the woman speech!
That would require basic knowledge of lawyering.
Not only that, but they could've made the "I could get murdered" line make sense if they kept her origin of being a victim of a hit from Nicholas Trask. Granted they'd have to tweak it to 'I could get killed just by being associated with a client."
Your 100% right the lawyer speech would've been more effective, not just for anger control but also cause this is a Lawyer show. Did the writers forget that? The whole premise of the show is She-Hulk representing superpowered clients, their either heroes, villains or just rando's. And the main reason she's in charge of this is because she has powers too so she can relate to them or just be a publicity stunt. Either way it would've made more sense to focus more on the lawyer side in the pilot rather than the feminist rant we got
@@ChrisSuperDude
And changed the way she talked to bruce, she came off as emotional and unhinged.
lol no
They should have hired a lawyer to help them write lawyer stuff but then they would have fired him for not fitting their agenda.
You know, there's a pretty good chance that this actually happened
@@helltaker6865 well, they could hire Elaine Bredehoft, Amber Heards ex-lawyer. She is out of job at the moment AND would have no problem with the agenda stuff
On the idiotic topic of Cap being a virgin, he spent a good chunk of the war being a propaganda tool, going from show to show, with a bunch of dancing girls. You don't think one or all of them would want a piece of a 'super' soldier inside them? And that was before he and Peggy actually spent a lot of time together.
They really lean into the women are bad drivers trope, don't they? She crashes her car, almost killing her cousin, then later she HITS him with his own car.
The food porn is because they're fat wine 'moms' that are miserable and all they do is eat their sadness away. Also, she killed a guy at the bar. I mean, you see her HIT him full force. And remember, she always had FULL control of her actions. Ooops.
And let it sink in, she's so mentally fragile and emotionally unstable that getting catcalled (such a humble brag, as if men think that five is actually worth sleeping with), and doing her job, which is full of liars and know-it-alls, sets her off in a near MURDEROUS RAGE!
Also, she's so afraid of 'getting murdered' by strange men, she peruses dating sites looking for strange men to sleep with.
Tie-tay-nya. As in the metal, not the Shakespearian faery queen.
Two things that might show they had just a smidge of comics knowledge. 1) Jen had a long running, (years long) gag of her and cars not getting along 2) In at lest one of her more modern comic runs, the food thing was going on there too. So easter eggs... maybe?
On the subject of Cap being a virgin, I find it misandrist to assume that the ONLY factor in a man getting it on is whether a woman is nearby and willing. Really dehumanizing.
2:08 ironically enough I'm actually more qualified to write a lawyer show than these guys, I actually went to Law School. Also Jen's act of scaring and trying to murder those three guys at the bar for the horrible crime of being a little pushy, yeah best case scenario she's disbarred and charged with attempted murder, worst case she's locked up on the Raft.
Chicks a frickin psycho. She didn't even lose control of herself she just immediately gave into petty anger and tried to murder people as soon as she got the power to do so.
Also, wouldn't a courtroom that get attacked either file for a mistrial or a suspension and to be resumed at a later date, and the person who saved all of them removed from the case because of bias in the jury after something like that?
@@Ackalan Yes it would and that's exactly what happens in the show.
@@thefanwithoutaface8105 Shouldn't she know that? Why would she even attempt to give her closing argument in that situation? (I know, I know, female empowerment, it's a hypothetical.)
@@Ackalan Cause Comedy
The fact that that they're trying to prop up catcalling to the same level of traumatic as seeing your father murder your mother right in front of you and spending years of your life on the run is baffling
Maybe they'll give She-Hulk a wake up call by having Bruce hit her with the harsh realities he had to face, but I doubt it. These writers have done nothing to inspire any confidence.
They won't do a U-turn on this, there are some very talented women writers and authors that could have tackled this show without making cheap shots at men but as this is Disney they will double down and go for broke whilst other studios are waking up to the fact that alienating half your audience might not be a good business model.
They don't know hulk's origin or story in general.
It was made clear she already knows about his trauma bc you know she is his family and all funny you overlooked that
Should I assume HE NEVER MENTIONED HIS PAST??
@@iwillgowiththatcat8667 just bc they’re family doesn’t automatically mean she knows every single detail he’s been through
The bathroom scene is horrible in two ways:
1) the women coming in jump to the conclusion that Jen was abused... their lifes must suck if that is their first thought.
2) they destroy evidence with their make-over. And leave her alone to wait outside for her lift. W T F?
Jen gives her line about emotional control and becomes agitated towards the end... but not even a hint of transforming.
This implies to me that for her it's not an emotional trigger like it is for Bruce.
The lack of a savage-hulk persona is another.
The writers probably thought it’d be empowering to see them all help her, but yeah I can see why it doesn’t work.
I feel like they could’ve been like “oh we’ll call the police about this and stay with you until they or your cab gets here so you get home safe.” Hell maybe them exchanging numbers so she can reach out to them if it happens again.
The bathroom scene doesn't trigger her because these are women doing this. If it were guys commenting on her "fashion faux-pax", she would have gone off instantly. Her confrontation outside the bar confirms that.
I like how they also push the idea that looks = self worth, instead of showing compassion and trying to share their own experience on the subject of abuse. (How ever misguided it'd be in this particular case.) Could have been a very good "subtle" nod to the audience what to look out for with abusive people. But nope, random extreme make-over and out the door it is.
Also a problem with that scene is that normal people don't respond like that. Their first thought is what happened, the very next thought guaranteed is do I need to call an ambulance or something.
Not let's have a girls night and glow you up
Narcissist: "I'm better than you?"
Human Being: "Wow! Your arm's healed! I'm so happy my DNA was able to help you!"
Sure, but his arm should have healed in Endgame due to... you know...having one of the best, if not THE best healing factors in the Marvelverse.
@@NinjaKu23 Thank you! I’ve been saying that for years! But people don’t talk about it because they’re either an ignorant normie or they just don’t care.
@@NinjaKu23 I mean, it's the effect of using Infinity Stones plus MCU Hulk is far from comicbook Hulk so it can be overlooked
Jen's acting like a human garbage? Not so much
@@HateshWarkio Nope, that excuse still doesn’t work.
@@HateshWarkio if Mcu's Hulk couldn't heal himself(which is BS) then Jen's blood shouldn't have done a thing either... But nope gotta show that she's more special than him somehow...
She-Hulk explaining her anger to Hulk is a perfect representation of feminism as a whole. Women trying to out oppress men at every turn.
It's really more like "women who don't think deeply about things and have never really suffered or struggled, trying to feel like they belong among people who have and do."
That whole "Infinitely better than you" scene was so completely stupid, that I truly hope is was deliberately making Jennifer look like a narcissistic idiot on purpose so that she can spend the series learning and growing into a smarter and more self aware person.
I don't think it will happen, but I'm holding out a little hope.
why would you still have hope after decades? stockholm syndrome?
@@henkhenkste6076 Maybe.
Or maybe we have been saying these things for decades and eventually even the worst writers might take note of what we have been saying and might even improve their writing enough to create some kind of journey for their characters.
@@blakewalker84120 no because you are mistaken by thinking they cant do better. Making a good product isnt their goal. Brainwashing the new generation is.
It won't happen that way. You can tell because the writers portray the side male characters as all assholes, so they're trying to validate her point of view. If they showed her as effectively the unreasonable one, then it'd be a hint that she's the one in the wrong, but there's zero evidence of that.
It'd be a fresh new spin on things if they actually had her develop into a better person and experience character growth, but it seems like this "comedy" is just going to draw on the cliched man-hating feminist playbook for the entire thing. I hate to say it but even Batwoman had more positive male characters than this show does so far.
I can see Thorias falling into a Batwoman level of insanity with this🤣🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼
So, most of the first episode is dedicated "She-Hulk doesn't need training and fuck you for offering it, established character"? How many layers of bad writing is that?
Far too many to be published…
“Peggy Bundy getting a $2 makeover on the backside of the Las Vegas strip“
“AL!!!!” 🤣🤣
I remember watching that when I was ~10 on TV
XD
breaking the 4th wall is a huge no no. regardless if its done in the comics. it takes a very talented writer to do that and spoiler alert none of these talentless hacks could ever write something so complicated
I recall in the 90s Teenage Mutant Ninja Titles series, there was an episode where Shredder just dumped some massive exposition to Krang, and he asked, "why are you telling me this?" (I am paraphrasing)
And Shredder basically motions to the viewers and says, "I'm not telling you, i'm telling them!"
Looking at it now as adult, I thought that was very clever way to squeeze in quick exposition while being funny.
Two ways I think they could have made the fourth wall break work:
1. She makes tictoc or youtube vidios her "Breaking the fourth wall" is her talking to her camera for thos videos.
2. It's her version of the Hulk split personality. Rather than a rage monster, she randomly monologues to herself about what's going on atm.
15:00 - 15:08 There’s a whole trend in comics where bad female writers tend to gravitate the scenes around food, or have the characters constantly be eating while talking with 0 action. Sad to see that trend make its way to the screen now
The fact that the literal writers admitted they can't write lawyer scenes for the show ABOUT A LAWYER is mind-boggling. I fear for Daredevil if this is the kind of people that Disney hires 😂 the person doing the job applications needs to be fired
Their probably get old Perry Mason scripts and "adapt" them! 😉😁
All I think about this show is "feminist power fantasy". Frumpy and in her thirties, with a bad attitude. Desired by men (for some reason), but can also beat them to a pulp. And praised for being mediocre.
Notice I didn't say woman power fantasy. Feminist power fantasy.
It's almost cute when incel dude bros go on the offensive with their fantasy of total enslavement of women but don't you think it's silly to be so afraid of us that the only thing you can think of is to root for our suffering? What do you think equal rights and treatment for women would do to hurt your lifestyle? Are you concerned it will make it more difficult to get away with assaulting women? I am sure it's tough to get a girl when you hate all women. Maybe you should just give into the voice inside and ask a guy out.
The fantasy is more pervasive than you think. Romance films are to women what p*rn is to men. They both deal with a fantasy (for women it's "average woman gets chased by rich and powerful man", for men it's hot women falling over themselves to fulfil his desires), and the overconsumption of both leads to a warped view of the other sex and a massive entitlement on what they can bring to a relationship.
@@deanchur Women have been oppressed by men since the beginning of our species. We are still beaten and slaughtered merely for existing. Unelected religious extremists have actually changed laws in order to increase our suffering and reduce our freedom. Feminism as a movement is aimed at putting a stop to that sort of thing. For those who wish to ensure women suffer as much as possible, feminism must look bad.
Why does feminism trouble you so, gentle sir?
@@katieell4084 Because feminism is an antiquated movement, fighting for equal rights that it already has in the modern western world. Now it’s just a bunch of misandrists pretending to want equality when they want special treatment. And women aren’t treated as bad as they may think. They’ll get hired for a quota regardless of competence (Case in point this show runner who doesn’t even know how to write trial scenes). Women are more likely to get custody. Men tend to get r***d in prison more than women do. Men get chastised for hitting a woman despite it being in self defense. Not to mention feminists have spitting out myths for years. There’s no patriarchy because women can be in positions of power and one almost became president. There’s no wage gap because the women don’t factor in things like overtime, hours worked, education etc. Plus they don’t understand they have equal opportunity for pay not equal outcome. There’s also them advocating taking the lives of babies in the womb which is an abomination. Life is sacred. And before you pull the r**e card, that’s no excuse to take the baby’s life. The child should not be sacrificed for the sins of the parents. Furthermore most women only do it out of convenience for their career, education, or peer pressure, and won’t take responsibility. People who truly believe in equality believe in egalitarianisms.
Funny enough I can actually imagine that in the scene where she was lecturing hulk about how she's had it so much harder than him because she's a woman that he'd not respond since after all he's spent 15 years learning to control his emotions so getting talked down to like that he'd likely choose not to respond rather than risk a hulk rage outburst. A good writing team could work this into the story a present a situation where they end up both acknowledging the other had a point without demeaning the others point of view...but if the writing team admits they aren't good enough to write a court room drama for a series about a lawyer, I doubt they're good enough to make that happen
Doesn't Bruce heal superfast?
I seem to recall him telling Nick Fury, Steve and Tony how he "put a bullet in his mouth and the other guy spit it out."
Hulk from the MCU is a weak boy who gets beat up by Thanos in a fist fight and out-Hulked by his cousin. Hulk from the comics can get so angry he can regenerate from being dismembered into bite-sized chunks, and loses to no one in a physical contest.
Part of the Hulk's longstanding popularity comes from the relatability of the story (like most popular superheroes). People who lose control of their tempers in real life don't usually destroy cities, but they still can cause a lot of harm in other ways, and people with anger issues often describe themselves as having a monster, demon, another evil version of themselves, etc. inside them. So basically the She-Hulk writers completely stripped the Hulk persona not only of its most interesting aspect, but also its most relatable. I guess I shouldn't be surprised--they found many opportunities to beat viewers on the head with Their Message, and that's clearly as much thought as they put into their script. So...mission accomplished in kind of a George Bush II on the deck of an aircraft carrier sort of way.
That could have been an excellent theme for this series....we shall see
It's funny that out of the female MCU characters Kate Bishop is still the best one among them.
It was so woke and me and my Mrs loved it! I almost teared up when She-Hulk lectured Bruce on catcalling and mansplaining. What's Bruce ever had to deal with?
lawl
YOU'RE GREAT!!!TROLL WINNER!!🤣🤣🤣🤣
Lmao, this made me chuckle.
Thorias: "Finally, I'm free of Batwoman."
She-Hulk: "Hold my beer."
Just finishing Az and Jayne Theory ranting over the first episode, and this drops. Excellent timing.
Apparently the whole training montage was supposed to be in episode 8 originally. They decided near the very end of production to put it in episode 1. So definitely rushed.
SEVEN EPISODES EARLY?!
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As a comparison.
In The Incredible Hulk, the Hulk actually had a developmenmt of character over the episodes. A subtle nuance of how he interacted , and especially his his 'arch nemesis' McGee.
We even saw two occasions of a near Professor Hulk.. once the result of radiation, and once because of a calming tone during a period of high anxiety during the change on board a pilotless airliner.
So, my question is...
How on Earh did we descend from story writing with finesse, in an era where ther5e was low expectation, to clunky story writing in an era where we should expect bgetter?
But we don't expect better in this era. We just Coonsume.
The hulk tv show in the 70s was way better than this
All the writers came to realize that they all suck at writing interesting trial scenes......in a show about a lawyer. Good to know the hiring process was based on what the person is instead of what they can do. How "inclusive".😑
Yeah
So right and fair 😃
I guess we should consider ourselves lucky Jen isn't a nun instead of a lawyer. Imagine how well they'd write that character!
If random catcalls and 'man-splaining" fill you with rage, you already have anger management issues.
I shudder to think what might happen the next time her barista puts caramel, instead of mocha, in her tall, skinny latte.
Not *showing* anger is not the same as not *having* anger issues.
I love how she makes a speech about how she controls her anger all the time while losing control of her anger. Is this show supposed to be ironic? Probably not.
It is not intended for extremely stupid people, so don't be surprised when you do not understand something you see or hear. I suggest you watch something more your speed, like Spongebob Squarepants or a blank wall, instead.
@@katieell4084 # feeling smart # youtube comment # please notice me # cope
@@katieell4084 The person who unironically likes She-Hulk and has no idea what good writing is tries to insult someone else's intelligence. 🤣
@@katieell4084 i mean i rather watch spongbob then this woke garbage
@@katieell4084 wow....good one. 🙃
Bruce using She Hulk’s blood to heal his arm makes no sense. Hulk in the comics can regenerate. Even faster than Wolverine. His wound should have healed ages ago (Actually since the Infinity Stones had gamma radiation, it should have made him even stronger). Plus she only has the healing blood because of his gamma irradiated blood. What are you doing, Marvel?
Finally, a remark about this show that does not drip with sexism. Wasn't Bruce's arm in a sling the entire show? His healing ability seems to be hampered by something, isn't it?
@@katieell4084 No. It was never explored in the MCU. I don’t even think the writers and Kevin Feige knew Hulk had a healing factor. Which if true is honestly pathetic.
@@KingNazaru Oh. I thought maybe you wanted to talk comics but it seems you only want to criticize Marvel. Shame.
@@katieell4084 I’m doing both. You’d notice if you were paying attention.
@@KingNazaru Katie's wording is interesting and almost gives of a Jen vibe. It's interesting
The part about the special genes is the one aspect of this that I don’t think was flawed. Tony stated in the Avengers that Bruce should’ve been killed by the accident but there was clearly something miraculous that saved him. It also helps explain why getting Bruce’s blood created She-Hulk for Jen but Abomination for Emil.
Especially since when you realize that in the comics Bruce had always had the other half of him in him when he had gone through that drama he just didn't realize it after the accident the other half came out that's kind of why he has a split personality and why other hulks don't
An inhibitor?
Seriously thats how they explained the resulting car crash and her becoming She Hulk ignoring the most important fact that if it was inhibiting him from becoming the Hulk wouldn't that also mean his blood COULDN'T turn her into the She Hulk?!
It wouldn't magically become toxic once he bled unless he switched it off thus resulting in his going Hulk and therefore there shouldn't be any blood to infect Jen as she should have been hurt far worse than he was!
Its a car crash its not as if he didn't have seat belt now wasn't there?
Oh dear lord I sincerely thought this couldn't be even worse than I had heard, but yes they clearly thought they were being clever but sincerely aren't!
Yup, in the comics Jen became She-Hulk after being shot by a mobster and needed a blood tranfusion, which only Bruce could give. It was thanks to their shared genetic makeup that she didn't get killed by the gamma in Bruce's blood. This also explained why she was much weaker than Bruce but had way more control and is also a more satisfying origin story.
But that would require the writers to make the man seem heroic and obviously they don't give a shit about that.
@@thefanwithoutaface8105 Is it possible Jen is lying about what happened as a salve to her ego?
Why the heck did a spaceship cross their path?
Chris Gore apparently liked this after watching 4 episodes so I'm left wondering how do they redeem that train wreck?
The only idea I can think of is reveal that isn't what happened and she's denying that to herself as a way of dealing with the resulting trauma.
She clearly never thought much of her cousin even after learning he was the Hulk and that crap about Cap sounds too far fetched for anyone mentally competent so perhaps its her dodging the real issue?
Me I would have revealed General Ross dying from cancer has become desperate for a cure so arranges an ambush there is no inhibitor as it isn't needed Jen is hurt badly in the crash, Bruce rescues her the arm is actually him hamming things up as he's recovered by now but is using it to avoid returning to life as the hero he was.
He gets Jen to safety, but they're pursued forcing Bruce to give Jen the blood transfusion which eventually causes her to turn into the She Hulk and run off forcing him to follow to prevent anyone else getting hurt.
Their pursuers find their makeshift hospital and retrive the remains of the blood transfusion thats tested to see if its genuine resulting in the creation of Titania.
She is sent after them, but the tracker leads her to Jen instead thus when Jen knocks her out its because she's received a weaker form of the Banner serum that flows in her veins rather than Bruce's.
Ross manages to get the blood sample from Bruce directly as Bruce obviously wants the save the life of his former girlfriends father.
That results in the creation of the Red Hulk, but also leads to other villains and heroes as Doc Sampson using the blood trasfusion to empower various other subjects whilst answering to Ross.
Sorry I can't help wondering how to turn this into something decent rather than the mess it currently is.
I assume we're going to see Jen and Matt meet in the courthouse?
@@Darkwintre Damn, that’s a series I’d watch.
@@Darkwintre She'll probably end up being the better blind lawyer also when that happens.
@@NinjaKu23 Unlikely, but that doesn't explain the gold outfit!
“Bruce was wrong, I was right.” Thirty seconds later, Bruce is proven right.
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He's a man, it doesn't count.
She-Hulk has to one of the greatest villain origin stories I've ever seen.... What do you mean she's a superhero?
This could be like the New Joker
She-Hulk.
Captain Marvel.
Iron heart.
You have to give it to these new woke writers at Marvel. It takes serious chutzpah to take what is supposed to be a superheroine, give her an origin and attitude of a super *villain*, and insist that she is better than her more experienced male counterparts. By implying it's because she's a woman.
11 years ago I wanted a She Hulk series or movie. Along with other superheroes that didn't have a series or movie at the time. Somew were good some were awful. But when it was announced giving the fact it is current year. I didn't have high hopes for this series. idk what show this is. one thing is abundantly clear it's not! She Hulk.
The thing is that maybe the marvel of even 8 Years old could have do It well
Just look at Jessica Jones
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I have to admit, when race swapped Titania (another ginger being erased) burst into the courtroom, I didn't think of the race swap. I actually felt bad for Jameela. Her costume made her look like an adult film parody of Dolly Parton as a supervillain. Then came the absurd flying kick. That may have been the only time I laughed during the episode, and I don't think that was their intent. I may keep watching, just to see how bad it gets.
Lol, that kick was so slow fr. I guess that's what happens when 40 year old Virgin women who watch sex and the city 6 times a day
No idea why these people are obsessed with giving black woman hooker-outfits. From "Fuck Batman" to this it's a clear trend for them.
It's disturbing.
Porn Parody Parton
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Odd. It says there are 3 replies, but I can only see one.
@@Balandrus Isn't censorship just a great thing
On the real, let's talk about the end of the bar scene. Bruce tackles her, they cut to black, and she wakes up not knowing how she got to Mexico. The writers expect us to gloss over the fact that logistically he either carried her there, fully conscious, most likely kicking and screaming; Or he knocked her out with either the force of the tackle (unlikely, she's a hulk), by blow to the head (I doubt he would do that to his cousin and also, she's a hulk), or by using the inhibitor (which would have made sense if they didn't go on to say it's not calibrated for her, Bat-style, so it wouldn't work). Soooo unless he's as bad as the guys at the bar and managed to slip her a roofie, Lucy you got some splaining to do!
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If I recall correctly, during their first throw down, during the first Secret Wars, I believe, Titania absolutely stomped the ( new to fighting) Shehulk.
Then , Titania, full of hubris for taking down a " hulk" tried her hand defeating the " puny" Spider-man, and got her @ss handed to her y the faster, more experienced opponent.
First thought when She-Hulk was released was "Can't wait to see Thorias' reaction on this"
And was not at all let down. Thanks for suffering for our collective enjoyment. This rant, despite only showing your head and that screenshot, had more action, more suspense, more character development and more plot twists than the gaping hole this first episode of She Hulk left in all of those areas.
This show is a perfect example of something with no clue on what it wants to be.
Great actress. She utterly killed it in Orphan Black. Phenomenal talent.
And she's completely wasted on this show. It's like putting a rare, perfectly cut diamond on top of a mound of shit.
She's an activist, regardless of her talent. She definitely deserves this show.
Oh dear
Pity the movie is not my thing or I would support her BETTER WORK
I heard from a lot of people this is Marvels Batwoman essentially. Now I see why lol. The difference is MCU will sadly get a pass because.... Marvel, and critics just love Marvel(plus they're paid off to praise everything they do *cough* Grace Randolph *cough*
This is another Captain Marvel where she doesn’t have any tragedy or hard times with her power and beats the plot with less than a struggle.
I was thinking that, too. She might be worse than Carol Danvers. Almost.
Thorias is infinity better at controlling his anger xD
Just discovered your channel through this video. After watching this episode of she hulk I wanted see what others were saying and this video is so on the ball with everything wrong with this piece of crap. Very impressed, subbed and looking forward to checking out other videos you've uploaded.
His batwoman reviews are great
I was worried what would happen now that batwoman is over.
Silly me, there's plenty of god awful crap for you to review. Stay strong, man!
A show by Karens, for Karens.
When did Jen ask to see a manager?
Even other reviewers that were critical of it and recognized the s*** show that resulted from blatant and false feminist tropes did not go into the detail you did. It's so much worse than I could have imagined, and there is no excusing it. Anyone calling this good work that fits into the existing MCU is a damn shill.
Imagine if there was a scene of Bruce insisting that the Scarlet Witch is a virgin. Sounds disgusting and crosses the line by a kilometer? Exactly.
Also, why is a dude being a virgin something to ridicule? There is literally nothing wrong with it, in addition to being none of anyone's damn business.
Virgin shaming is a SJW thing.
It's funny how the stans defend this crap, especially the "fight" considering that Jennifer basically lucked out getting "Professor" Hulk, as he was clearly not trying to hurt her...
"Savage" Hulk would've pasted her entitled self right there like he did Loki...
Funny thing is that your analysis and the episode's entire story arc perfectly encapsulates the difference between typical male logic and reason-based thinking compared to most women's emotional and narcissistic self-based perspectives. Exposing the Western female's childlike psyche perfectly. Exactly why many women argue with their male partners, despite that male partner offering wisdom, experience and a solution-based series of actions to integrate the chaotic mind into a working and ordered psychological manifestation.
I've been waiting a long time for my Thorias Schadenfreude fix. This is going to be great.
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I know right! I love the Thor movies too!
Look up what Titania looks like in the comics. It's a super basic costume and far less embarrassing than what we got in the show.
Plus, she is a lot more dangerous of a fighter. How are the viewers supposed to take She-Hulk seriously as a superheroine, when they give us a villain that screams "Uh oh. We'd better make sure her opponent is clumsy and pathetic looking. So she'll look amazing in comparison.
Sorry. It doesn't make her look amazing. It makes her look like "*This* is the best she can handle?"
There are multiple parts of this episode that reek of 'rough draft.' It's hard to tell during certain parts, since I have a hard time telling the difference between poorly thought out 3rd wave, and poorly thought out writing room. I'm almost positive the rushed quality makes up at least 2% of the issues tho.
I didn't really have a problem with the female perspective being portrayed per say. I have a problem with the context in which it was presented. There is a reasonable critique on the writing. Jennifer did come off unlikeable because she was cruel and so dismissive of bruce's experiences. The fact that she says she has to manage her anger "infinitely" more than bruce is completely untrue. He's not some random average dude. Yeah, she's had to deal with guys catcalling, "manplaining", etc. But try having the world see you as monster for years and the government trying to hunt you down and turn you into a lab experiment. I really wish the show allowed bruce to further give her his perspective so she wouldn't be as dismissive. As people, we do have occasional moments where we lose control and heightened emotions take over. In the case of a hulk, a moment like that can have devastating consequences. Jen being so cavalier about her ability to be control of her emotions 24/7 and being so dismissive of bruce's advice shows she has a problem listening to reason. She's not taking it seriously. I get that they are trying to portray a female perspective on what it's like to be a woman. It just does not work well here in this context.
Except that that's not what it's like to be a woman. A woman isn't callous and dismissive of someone else's pain. If a woman heard an account of what Bruce had been through, she wouldn't just shrug, say "Sucks to be you!" and saunter off feeling smugly superior. Normal women are empathetic and frankly sentimental - they gravitate to "the caring professions" for a reason. The brittle, hard-boiled feminist icon is a complete inversion of what women really are and what they want to be.
Sadly the character of She-Hulk here is exactly how they want her to be.
@@Wanda711 I agree. I meant that I don't have a problem with the portrayal of women being aggressively hit on or being condescended to. But in jen's case, she does lack that empathy for bruce's experience
@@SolProxy Melvin from "As good as it gets" famously said about writing female characters: "I think of a man, and I take away reason and accountability". Sadly, that's how jenn's written in this episode. I'm not one of those idiots that scream "wahmen" or " m she u". So, I will give the rest of the show a fair shot and hope they don't double down on what I hated in this episode.
And so it begins...
As soon as I heard "We have a lot to talk about"
I knew this video was gonna be good
Since Age of Ultron Marvel has believed that fan investment doesn’t matter and actually should be ridiculed. It’s all superheroes ironically.
Wait a minute.
Isn't the story in the MCU Hulk movie that Bruce thought he was researching the treatment of radiation poisoning but was being manipulated by ‘Thunderbolt’ Ross to try recreating the lost Super Soldier serum?
I could see Steve giving in to one of the showgirls he toured with easily enough. Good and virtuous as he was, he spent his whole life being a unattractive weakling and suddenly he's surrounded by gorgeous women throwing themselves at him? And he's not in a relationship and to the best of his knowledge neither are there. So yeah...makes sense. He'd feel a bit guilty after maybe but that's it. Who knows. Maybe he even got fairly serious with one of them. Or thought so til she dumped him. lol
Batwoman all over again !!!! Yay welcome back to hell.
If Savage Hulk returns in a possible World War Hulk movie, it will be an absolute delight to see him kick the absolute shit out of everyone. Especially Jen.
When Jen assistant compliment her how awesome she is. This is remind me of your review of The CW Crisis on infinite earths where Batwoman and Supergirl talk :). You also missed the part that Jen almost killed the guys in the bar as She Hullk when she was in full control not like the Hulk just because they said hi to her :). I think Jen is so horrible Bruce should just work on a way to cure Jen from being Hulk. She does not have the character to be a hero. She will make a great villain just like Captain Marvel :) .
Not watching this CW reject show! Thank you Thorias for all that you do for our community! I hope to see you on Friday Night Tights or Lord Doomcocks Sunday night show. Luv your channel!
I've said it on another video, but wouldn't the reason Jen has the ability to control her anger better than Bruce is because she's a Lawyer? I mean just imagine how much anger management and emotional control you'd need to do to not choke out the opposing team in the courtroom, am I right?
That remains to be confirmed by the show. But judging by the path it takes to shame Bruce, it probably won't.
@@trickstersatyr6255 You got what I typed so totally wrong. I'm not saying the writers said being a lawyer is why she has emotional control. You really think they thought that in depth about her character development? I'm writing that this is my PERSONAL idea, that this is what I would have written as her explanation to Bruce instead of being Gender profiled by men.
Or perhaps for defending a client that she knows is toxic? That would be an issue I could see having anger management problems with.
But none of that is what her problem is. Her problem is having men failing to see her natural superiority over them.
How you know they’re red flags. The original origin was Bruce Banner saving Jenifers life as a complete last resort. In the new origin she saves his life and accidentally gets blood on her.
They unnecessarily changed the origin so she can’t be saved by a man.
Honestly, it's pretty obvious where this show is going. It's not a matter of red flags, so much as giant blaring klaxons. I mean the very opening of the show is some guy telling her to smile more. Every single male character is basically an asshole, and we have the protagonist telling us how getting catcalled is somehow worse than being a fugitive in a multi-year manhunt while nobody calls her out on it.
For the record, your review is the one I trust.
I'm kind of glad I wasn't the only one who got "hooker" vibes from the bar scene.
I honestly think that could have been handled well. Instead of "men bad" (and yea, kind of), they could have actually given a lesson that would be helpful...
But nah.
I think watching the trailers was more than this show deserved. I do like Tatiana Mislany though.
Looking forward, aren't you excited to see Daredevil in this?
They made one of the toxic men a black guy....which really surprised me for Disney+
Right I'm surprised she said yes after reading the script. She was brilliant in Orphan Black & pretty much everything I've seen her in since. She's an intelligent woman I just can't see how she didn't see how god awful this is.
She went from Orphan Black to this crap. Why?
@@ajclements4627 money. At least up to that point, I can respect the decision.
The more stupid quotes I hear from her though...the less I respect her.
@@dragonchr15 I was a bit surprised on that one as well.
Everyone who's tried to tell me this show is NOT misandrist always begins with 'first of all...men deserve it!'
Typical.
@@teamtx1578 Vey unfortunately :/
I once had a couple of feminists tell me that it’s okay for women to openly mock men’s mental health issues…
…because sometimes mean men do that to women.
What. The. Hell. So, it’s okay to antagonize a man contemplating suicide, because some men are sexist?
That was the main reason I don’t talk to either of those self-absorbed idiots anymore.
The opening to the video has me dying
That intro 🔥.
But seriously, i can't stand any of the crap holly-woke is putting out, so the fact you only use stills is helpful.
Married With Children is a treasure, sad to see Peggy having fallen on such hard times that she had to star in this thing. Hope the rest of the family is at least doing better.
Alas, the She-Hulk cartoon I remember from when I was but a wee lad was quite good. Shame to see it bastardized such.
Absolute favorite reviewer. Brings energy and humor to something horrid and…well…sometimes the torture is fun. Sorry you won’t get The Batgirl movie.
Your vid just started. Your expression before the intro was fantastically precious and telling. Oh boy I can't wait to hear what you have to say.😳😎
When genuinely shallow, weak, self-centered, ignorant people, happily and proudly spray their own flaws all over your TV screen and believe they just did something brilliant, brave, and positive.
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But at least it isn’t Velma…
Only reasons ppl watched this show (that aren't lovers of the M She U) :
1). Find Out If Cap Punched His C Card
2). Mark Ruffalo 's Hulk (tho his takes as an actor as of late have been questionable)
Whenever I think of Marvel doing the being woke trope right, I think of Black Panther. Most of the commentary is blended perfectly with a great story. This is just rushed and lazy. And Bruce’s suffering of being viewed as a monster, attempted suicide, and dealing with the grief of losing his best friend in Tony and love interest in Black Widow just seems wrong of them to glance over because of the small life issues Jen has to deal with. I mean they are issues, but compared to what Bruce went through, it’s not even close to topping it.
Wakanda was essentially what white nationalists want Europe and North America to become, except with all white people.
The audacity to think being whistled at by a construction worker during your morning jog to Starbucks is on the same level or higher than getting your teeth kicked in by Thanos and watching helplessness as he wipes out half the universe...who do these writers think they are
"Alllll, let's watch she-Hulk." "Uh, no Peg."
I think this makes up for no more Batwhaman.
The only way that they could make this shit show work would be to have Jen learn that she was wrong about Bruce and how useless she thinks his help is over the next few episodes.
I know that's not going to happen. But still.
There could be hope for that. She would need to show her "Savage She-Hulk" side. Put her in a She-Hulk situation where she loses control fighting a baddie. And when she comes out of it, she is surrounded by people looking at her in confusion and fear. It would force her to admit she is *not* as in control as she thought she was. And return to Bruce. And humbly ask him for help.
But yeah, the writers will never allow her to appear out of control. Let alone ask for help from a man.
@@ericbrower611 especially after making her ability to suppress her anger into a political point which she used to emasculate The Hulk in her first episode.
Anyone remember Agents of SHIELD?
All seven seasons... good times.
No development, no respect for established characters, no reason to watch - Disney's new strategy
i refuse to watch anymore disney content, id rather give my views to the poor souls that have to view this show for their own content
The adsense from this video should cover at least 2-3 months of the subscription so Thorias can keep reviewing new episodes
It's woke.... am I surprised? Nope. I'm more surprised when shows aren't woke at this point. The "entertainment" industry was invaded by chickenshit writers who only know how to make garbage.
I mean
"All entertainment " Is a bit exaggarated
I was more excited about this review than the actual show being reviewed. Also I was so let down that they retconned the origin story and the first episode being 30 minutes and being rushed. the only reason I was looking forward to this show was because I like mark ruffalo’s Bruce banner being of the main cast like Jeremy renner in Hawkeye but the credits showed he’s a guest star so he’s likely going to only appear 1 or 2 more times in this whole 9 episode season
normally i would have watched this tomorrow in my WL, but i knew i was going to thoroughly enjoy you ripping this episode to shreds i immediately played it.
This is what I was waiting for, the hate and suffering 😈👌