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Agreed with a lot of it but… Hawkeye was really good and it was mainly about him but it’s clear there co-stars instead of hero and sidekick PS: it took Kate bishop YEARS to learn archery as it does in real life
As Stan Lee once famously said: "social issues I try to get in, in the background or underlying a plot... but never to the point of interfering with the story or hitting the reader over the head." That is precisely what these newer films have failed to accomplish time and time again.
Stan Lee was all about representation. His obviously had to create “white heroes” during his time in order to be appealing to the masses but his characters were fictional and it wasn’t restricted to anyone to read. In the end when that character puts his mask on is when he becomes the hero. Every kid can put that same mask on and become a hero. The comics were meant to empower people, not to tell them what is right or wrong or what to do. Which phase 4 is just a bunch of propaganda at this point. After I’m typing all of this tho and watching this video, I kind of can see where Disney is going with this because the society in the US is very toxic so I guess they are just trying to fight it. Millennials might not see it but these movies/shows are meant for gen Z in the end and the next generation…. Just some thoughts But yes Stan Lee is rolling in his grave right now RIP
When great people leave us, most of the time the greediest take their position, either because they didn't earn the spot, just inherited it, or they plotted against so many competitors that they became evil in the heart. Rest in peace Stan Lee, I'm glad you didn't see the downfall of your great creation.
@@kingp1n817 I don’t think it’s necessarily like that. He had zero control over MCU besides doing cameos. Marvel was about to be done until Disney saved them. Disney is just trying to do too much and is trying to get more female audience in the theaters with their TV shows. They are doing it with every franchise, from Star Wars and all the other animated movies. In the end, it is to get the kids going to Disneyland parks and that’s where the real money is at (obviously merch too)
@German Henry That's a fair point🤔 Just like Microsoft pushing their new policies to their game companies Disney is doing the same, which infuriates people but they don't care cause they're big companies with a lot of money to waste Thanks for the revision
The most stupid part is that most of the female character has no training, nor experience but become BETTER than the male character. They literally strip away the sense of progression hence decreasing the reward that we felt.
This is why moonknight is my fav show. Because it’s earned. Even if the pacing was a little off, he worked through the issues instead of it randomly being solved to defeat the villain. If he didn’t earn what he did, harrow would have won. There was actual consequences.
Well they have to. In order to show growth you need to show a lesser starting point. Any women on screen can’t be shown in any other state than perfect. Because all women are perfect AS THEY ARE you see? If you think any woman ever is anything other than perfect in any way then YOU are sexist. So this is the impossible corner these 4th wave feminists woke wrights have painted themselves into.
@@ericarmstrong7906 yo, shazam still has issues and journey to overcame. About how mental age matters, family issues as weakness, a villain with the same power. It's different with she-hulk and her self proclaimed mental stable bcs she face men ( anger problem) infinitely more than hulk. Just stupid agenda to glamorous woke vulture and feminist.
The worst part to me is the fact that, even if it wasn’t their intention, they pretty much diminished Bruce’s trauma. They sent out the message that no matter what you’ve gone through, no matter how much hell you’ve been put through, it’s not as bad as a woman being catcalled or talked down to. Like, “I know you were mutated by a freak accident and pretty much lost your life because the wrong thing would set you off to the point of causing massive amounts of destruction, but have you ever been a woman? It’s sooo much harder”
literally Bruce attempts suicide (which he tells Nat about at one point I believe) and struggles a long time with it. It's an extremely heavy weight on him and adds a LOT to his vulnerability and humanity that we can relate to. Through it he finds out how to keep good relationships and live his life and do good. similar story with Thor and Tony, lots of colossal failures and hard lessons learned
@@adoboflakes8473 ah good memory, forgot it was to the group. but yeah he clearly walks through a long a complicated path. especially when for a while he seems happier, then the wanda brain control thing happens and he destroys a city before the hulk buster shows up
@@SoyGriff they have been “woke” but I don’t criticize intent as much as execution. Phase 4 is going about introducing important topics without properly telling a decent story and it’s why many people dislike it and dismiss it with such hate
Not at all really. He was basically little more than a mascot who had little to do with the movies beyond showing up for cameos to my understanding. I think he had some role in some ofnthe TV and movie projects in the 70s and 80s, and he stopped running Marvel Comics some time in the 70s. He may have created a lot of the most popular characters from the 60s, but he didn't own them. They are the property of Marvel Comics/Marvel Entertainment, and now the property of Disney (who recently just erased Marvel Entertainment as a whole from existence amd basically folded everything directly into the larger Disney infrastructure to my understanding).
@@senister14 you don't necessarily have to get the spider-man treatment, but you definately need to overcome something, otherwise you're just living another day in the life
This is why female heroes from early alien and terminator franchised were the best ones. They weren't all powerful girls who can do everything, but are just oppressed by the patriarchy. They had real weaknesses and opponent was flat out stronger. They overcame the crisis through bravery and clever thinking.
@@Tespri yeah. Another thing I'm starting to appreciate in Anime. Minus how they draw the girls tho. They have overpowered female characters and they're still hella better than these new M she U
"The world is run by people with agendas and agendas change" - Steve Rogers. I will forever abide by this timeless statement. And this is what seems to have happened here.
disneys agenda is still the same. They just though making shitty woke movies would make them more money because the younger generations today are big on identity politics
The fact that nobody acknowledges the irony in that makes me feel like these writers do it intentionally to get people upset the problem is that after the first few episodes you lose the audience... why do women feel the need to over compensate instead of using the gifts they already have
@@johnnyfive9815 it's arrogance and immaturity. The kind of person that believes this woke nonsense are generally egotists, who think they are fighting a war on par with the civil rights movement. They think they have all the answers, know how to solve everything and believe that their brilliance is just misunderstood, their pain not recognised ect. In short, they are acting like children which is why their stories suck, they can't think in a mature way, so they can't right in a mature way.
@@johnnyfive9815 Because they've been fooled into thinking femininity is pointless and thus are attempting to be men, like how the Moon tries to be the Sun.
It's even worse than that. She's also a terrible attorney as well, according to actual, you know, lawyers. Because the scriptwriters are useless. So here is a woman that is rubbish at everything explaining how incompetent men are telling her how to do her job. Maybe she just thinks they are incompetent and actually they are much better at it than she is, and she is too incompetent to understand.
what's funny about that is that she would had to go to law school in order to become a lawyer so she most likely didn't know shit about being a lawyer while still a student and mostly likely had at least a couple of professors who were men who had to teach her how to be a lawyer
you are not alone sister. i begin to believe that in reality, they are nothing but hacks with nary a bit of writing talent so they rely heavily on the patronisation in the hopes that we are obligated to like it... Its an insult
It is becoming true, liberal people who helped these people gain their freedoms still had a sense of the values that comes from conservatives and family and religion and much more, so the right was a hero in a sense. Now that they have it, they bash the same people for voicing their opinions, "If you are not supporting us in everything then you are not with us at all", and now right people have become the villains. So they have accepted it and they are treating themselves and these people just like that. Basically" I have my opinion and I don't care what -ist you call me for these opinions, in your eyes I am already a villain so fuck it"
@yashgoyal8280 Not just that, but they also knew that most conservatives were nice, well meaning people who simply had a different point of view. They knew that the best way to win them over was to work with them and to change their opinions through thoughtful and peaceful discussions, not hateful bashing and petty name calling.
She Hulk is the proof that people writing that crap never had to struggle or worry if they will have something to eat that day... I find it ironic that she cat talk shit to a person who lost everyone he ever loved, was seen as a monster, lost his identity multiple times and was chased like a dog for years...
Jessica gao is the writer and one to blame for it. She said her stupid writing is literally to create drama and make fans go mad cos she loves drama, I don't know how can a horrible person having issues like her can be hired.
@@nanarb4733 Out of pure stupidity combined with an agenda. It is basically the same as how some incompetent workers get to the high positions in a company.. You know some people and say the right stuff and there you are. That being said, I like it when Disney loses money so it is all good, I will just watch something else, I have zero interest in Marvel/ Dc, its basically all the same movie with different colors...
Not a woman so I don’t know all the struggles they face, but yeah it’s (in an oddly specific example) like complaining about stepping in a rain puddle on the street to a person who watched their kid drowned and couldn’t do something about it.
@@Reviewer2016 It honestly has nothing to do with gender, even if it was a dude who wrote the script and dialogue the same would apply. I live in what you can consider as a 3rd world country, I lived through two wars and a series of economic crisis. Basically any problem people talk about on social media is a non issue here, no one cares what you want to identify as, you do you as long as you do not hurt others. Clout chasers are generally ignored... People are far too busy trying to feed their family and pay rent... That is the main reason I mentioned that that person never had any struggles, you do not have time to think about this sort of crap when you are starving... Not to mention that is is as far from reality as you can possibly get, it is a definition of living in the echo chamber.
@@rexrip1080 I figured that’s what you meant I’m just saying it like complaining about inconveniences to a person who lived through trauma inducing events.
Basically, Marvel is a prime example of what happens when you're so focused on lecturing people about identity politics, oppression, you end up only making yourself look condescending and pompous... Coming from a non comic book guy, fire those writers. Everyone would thank you.
This is why rippaverse commics brand new this year made over 3.5 million in comics orders via books and other stuff for it. I plan to order stuff myself but recovering from job loss 3 months ago. Ill be back to par by the end of month. Rippaverse has its own characters woth backgrounds building them up. Im not comic guy but will... buy to help bring back the good things.
Yeah, and it's not like political issues do not belong in stories - Princess Mononoke is about how human beings destroy nature instead of learning how to exist alongside with it, but you don't see Miyazaki saying that humans are inherently evil for doing so. Lady Eboshi is an empathetic, strong leader who wants to see her city grow; she protects women who would've been working for brothels despite not wanting to do so, she encourages her people, and she's overall really competent. But she's still the antagonist because she doesn't see how killing the Shishigami, the spirit that represents the forest, is a terrible thing to do not only to the forest but also to her people. That movie spoke more about this highly specific issue without restorting to "humans bad" far more than Marvel did, and they did it with a far better written girlboss
Dude... all these characters are pretty comic book accurate? Everyone bitching and moaning when Marvel are just following their pre-established and already existing storylines lol. The Avengers arent' set or pre-defined, they change and adapt and evolve. Kate Bishop and America Chavez are in the Young Avengers. She-Hulk is an Avenger. X-Men was ALL about identity politics and oppression - it's the whole purpose of their existence. People talking here like this is all some "focus on x, y or z". No, Marvel are literally just turning their stories from the 80s and 90s into movies and people are so sensitive about it they can't handle it.
@@johnstrawb3521 Because they're controlling the social narrative. They're painting us logical critics who have the ability to think and recognize garbage when we see it, as hateful misogynists and racists instead of owning up to the fact that their woke writing is lazy insertion of identity politics in a space that is supposed to be escapist content from our own reality. This is the problem with modern media. These studios and writers believe it's their mission to preach SJW politics when we just want to see the heroes we grew up with preserved and presented as we always knew them.
She-Hulk downplayed a dude who lost his friends, lost black widow, went through a shit ton of trauma throughout the avengers films (which included being mind controlled to kill hundreds of innocent people against his will), and apparently, according to Bruce in avengers, tried shooting himself only for him to turn into the hulk to spit the bullet out. All to basically say “being catfished is way more traumatic” Wow
its embarassing as a woman that these movies seem to need to make their female characters so ridiculously overpowered and perfect to make them valuable characters. just write a strong character, WITH FLAWS, that happens to be a woman. it is not that hard
When these moviemakers will realize representation does not make people automatically associate themselves to their work, that will be a great advance.
It's not really the overpowered-Ness.. it's the fact that they're written to be snarky, passive aggressive bitches. Why? It's why noone likes Captain Marvel and why noone likes She Hulk. But you know why people liked Black Widow? She had a dark past but was still still able to show love, care and affection through all that. She was human and she was an exceptionally crucial member of the Avengers for it. Same with Wanda. Dark/traumatic past, is able to still humanise herself through love and affection and even when she went crazy in Dr. Strange, we are still able to respect how insanely powerful she is because we can also empathise with her. Captain Marvel? Bitch for no reason. Gets to blow everything up and has no weaknesses. She hulk? Absolute bitch for no reason. She knows how much Bruce has suffered, yet dares to put cat calling (a normal male behaviour when they see an attractive woman) at the same level as controlling your anger such that you won't accidently kill thousands of people.
@@Tommybotham you lost me at cat calling is a normal behavior lol. It's not, and it shouldn't be encouraged but i'd be damned if somebody ever told me it's worse than the shit Bruce went trough.
You hit the nail on the head with Spider-Man. It continued Peter's journey of growing from boy into hero and we have watched this Peter undergo pain, loss, grief, fear, doubt, anxiety, etc. Its why we love him. The other Spider-Men weren't just used as a sales ploy either, it was a genuine story of brotherhood and supporting each other through shared experiences. That's a uniting message.
100% agree the writing was dope af. Even the villains got their own redemption archs. Plus it further established the marvel multiverse. Great writing all around.
It’s not just “this” Peter that undergoes character development, but ALL Peters’ managed to grow in the movie, that’s really the magical part of that film
As a non-white asian having someone say 'support this project because we did this for you' is some of the most patronizing shit mixed with guilt tripping. You didn't do it for me or my ethnicity, you did it for a paycheck. I'm gonna go watch the Northman & Legend of Vox Machina over and over because one's a great film without checking boxes and the other's a project that actually was made for me
Vox Machina was actually also not made for you. But you were made for it. CR makes it very obvious they are using parasocial methods for fans to fall for them on a personal level
@@squattingheads i don't really care about their methods or their agendas, I wanted to watch a good story about a group of bumbled*cks and I got it without a derivative lecture
& especially when the product is just forgettable at best & propaganda drivel at worst. As a Brown asian, I can see the efforts they took to reach out to that market.
As a Hispanic, same here, funny enough I’m working on stories that have female protagonists but they aren’t perfect, have to deal with challenges and don’t hate on men simply for being men
That's all they know how to do. Patronizing and shame tactics with guilt trip. And sad thing is, I seen people eat that up. They made that for us, we have representation. Because they are just as egotistical as the people that made it. I seen people go online and tell white people don't go see black panther 2 opening weekend as it is not for them. And that is all it is vain shallow people in position of power thinking they are doing great for a minority they may or may belong to, kicking down who they think are oppressors while telling others this is for you when you didn't in the first place. While people starved for the spotlight and egotistical thank them for doing it. It's pathetic and being treated as normal.
The trama Tony faces through the avengers movies is one of the most powerful character arcs of all time. Tony from the alien invasion to his final heart beat is everything we miss about the infinity saga.
As a women, I am embarrassed that some people genuinely think that being a “Girl Boss” is good character writing. Captain America is not an amazing character because he’s a man, it’s because he was well written and just so happens to be a man.
I wish someone would take hint from the writers of Ripley and write characters - and later, during the casting, settle on whether this character will be male or female. Sure, in many cases, _some_ details will probably need to be adapted, but the actual character will already be there.
As a man I'm embarrassed that most of that people you mentioned are men, men with low self-esteem or had a pretty bad father figure that thinks a bitchy women is the ideal partner with is wierd and childish. That's why these writers think that in order to be an amazing women you have to be a man(a worst kind of men) witch is misogynistic if you think
Exactly. He's an outstanding person, being morally strong enough to make every right decision, and it doesn't matter or not who he is, and that he's a white man that carries the stars and stripes.
I'm embarrassed about being a woman anymore... the way they narrate us is just pathetic and looking for a pity party anymore. Dude... we gotta earn that shit...
I'm so glad that Tony and Steve's characters were retired before phase 4. They were so incredibly written and cared for throughout the whole decade, so it would've been so infuriating if they were emasculated like Thor, Hulk, Loki and a bunch of other characters. Heck I think they decided to keep those three characters only BECAUSE they had gone through so much pain and loss making it easy to emasculate them. Its sad seeing such a beloved franchise basically turn into the the cardinal sin of the superhero shows, the CW
Especially the point with how much our characters have been through, realistically hulk and Thor are veterans of their field and have been through more than most other heroes, yet it doesn’t feel like they’re portrayed as the most experienced or capable. Like they had entire story development arcs in pts 1 ~ 3
Me too. Glad that some of these original characters retired. Scarlet Johnson's character was good & I think she phased out before it got out of the hands. But then, Im sure the new woke characters would call the old characters 'effing boomers' & we can't have the new characters feel oppressed and feeling like vitcims, right? 🤭
@@casebycase_904 Yea, black widow was a good character that should've gotten her chance at a solo movie earlier. Unfortunately when we did get the movie, she was already dead making it a lot less worthwile, and the movie itself was one of the worst, and most emasculating movies of the universe. Its probably even more feminist than Captain Marvel which is saying a lot tbh
@@DeVoidAS ya the black widow character was great. She had such a traumatic past yet she overcame it all and became such a rock and a healer to the group. I want to either agree or disagree with you about the movie, but I genuinely have forgotten about the movie (I think I saw it sometime last year tho) besides terribly forced Russian accent 🥲 Was it one of those feminist movies or not, I cannot even remember is how I feel about that movie by now. They did her wrong!
It depresses me that phase four did all of that but it also gives me hope that people aren’t just blindly following along with it and people are calling it out
This kind of thing has been getting better as the years go on. She-Hulk making a big deal about it was surprising because it felt like shows and movies had sort of been moving away from that kind of whingey nonsense pandering.
I agree and I'm also thankful for that, however according to the activist everyone that calls it out is a racist... Because clearly no one knows the true meaning of what racist or prejudice really is anymore, it's just an umbrella term used for people to call others that don't align with their views.
That's the thing...people have been calling this out since it began, even before it happened to Marvel. We kept telling them, "We don't like this; fix it." and they've ignored us. They don't care how much money they lose, because the message is more important to them now... Effectively speaking, if people are only _now_ turning on the MCU, then things are going to _stay bad for a long while._ Keep calling it out of course; but just know that your calls are largely going to go unheard; and if they are heard, they'll just be answered with accusations of racism and sexism. The only way this _actually stops_ is when the day comes where they release this garbage...to absolutely _zero views._ No one watches it; no one leaves a like or a comment; hell no one even leaves a _dislike._ It gets completely ignored because we're not gonna waste our time... The problem is, they have too many of their own brainwashed cult or bot accounts to _simulate success._ And any dissent is immediately labeled as Trolling - like how Amazon and Rotten Tomatoes are trying to protect Rings of Power right now.
I can promise you there are, my boss has a baby yoda tattoo but doesn’t like Star Wars. Well except for the sequels of course. And has a captain marvel tattoo, which when I asked her about the movie she said it’s her favorite and doesn’t care what men think of the movie.
I got chills during your conclusion. This is so brilliantly said, showing men only as incompetent and violent idiots will only claim to viewers that men are incapable of being good, well-rounded, and impactful heroes. Giving both genders examples of the good and bad through proper, whole, non-agenda driven writing will be the only way to resuscitate this dying industry and provide good characters to aspire to.
Women in leadership roles in the mcu have a toxic leadership style. A leader should correct and teach. Trust goes both ways. If you don't trust your team it is a reflection of your poor leadership. If you have to tell your subordinates that you are the leader then you are a bad leader.
Not only that but it puts people in a “us or them” kind of mindset. Either you think men are amazing and women should be groveling at their feet, or women are amazing and men should be groveling at their feet. It’s not healthy for either gender, both should be equal to each other
When faced with significant backlash, the fact that producers, scenarists, and directors primarily discern the criticism as stemming from racism, sexism, and homophobia may suggest that these subjects are what chiefly inform their creative decisions. They seem to place a great deal of importance on the need for their heroes to represent female, POC, and LGBTQ+ identities. However, defending their work on these grounds might also suggest a focus on the wrong areas, as it might detract from the quality of storytelling and character development, which the audience also cares about. I can't stress enough that they think that they can just through around labels of "sexist", "racist", 'homophobic", while being the very thing they are claiming to fight against, they are discriminating based on gender, colour of skin, and sexuality, even if it's praising based on those characteristics alone. Even for their target audience it creates an unrelatebale character, the perfect one, inhuman, flawless. I can believe that villain is a white male, based on their relative freedom of building an empire in the recent past. I can believe that new heroes have such diversity, the world is big and in MCU the whole world is invested in fighting against evil, that is logical. I can believe that 'love' could be the answer to defeat of a villain. But what MCU needs to do is to make it believable. Heck, giving 'Captain Marvel' a pass on that is possible: she is powered by an infinity stone, hence her strength, rivaling that of, Scarlet Witch and Vision, and she was manipulated into believing she isn't the one controlling her power. I can give a pass on one story with bad writing, that makes me think of ways to justify the story, but I have a limit. We have a limit. MCU thinks that putting same Mary Sue behind different characteristics of their gender, sking colour, sexuality. But the truth is, audience never looks at those qualities alone when it comes to loving a character. The truth is, there's no such big community of racists, sexists and homophobes that could impact the rating of the whole show or movie, because if there were, 'Mulan', 'The Intouchables', 'The Legend of Korra' wouldn't have the rating they have now. The truth is, MCU is trying, and that's now even something they hid in their interviews. They think 'connection' is based solely skin colour, gender identity or sexuality. They skip te fact that Tony Stark, Thor and Captain America didn't need it to be relatable to all, regardless of their origing. The truth is, what MCU has now is the bad writing (Contrary to 'Mulan' for example, story where sexism is present as one of the obstacles protagonist has to overcome, where protagonist is weak, gullible and clumsy at the start instead of being extremely overpowered amd flawless due to standing out based on her sex. She grows, and not alone. She completes journey of becoming stronger with the group, friends, but what makes her stand out is mindset of intelligence > strength. You believe the story much more than what MCU feeds us now). The truth is, what Marvel was giving us recently is shallow and soulless (with exceptions like 'The Guardians of the Galaxy volume 3', 'Spider-Man: No Way Home' and... well, that's all I could point out). The truth is, 'Marvel' is merely a label to make audience interested in a story nobody would want to be invested in otherwise. The truth is "The Endgame" was trully the end of what MCU was building for a decade now.
I think it's laughable that a woman considers dealing with cat calls better than the person that got hit by gamma rays who had to deal with his condition.
16:55 “Representation…is being used as a threat. As if minorities have to like something simply based on the fact that their culture, religion, ethnicity, or sexual identity is being represented.” THIS. THIS IS THE LINE. It's so ridiculous to hear Sana Amanat basically ask people to support this movie only because "they worked really really hard on it." I can applaud efforts for trying something new, but asking me to blindly fall in line because I'm "represented" is completely spitting on the face of those who've actually worked hard to create GOOD storylines, and not just try and cheat their way to accolades using cheap identity tactics.
Sana Amanat is one of the most privileged, spoiled, narcissistic brats working in the industry today. If she thinks we're supposed to like her stories because she worked hard on it and she's "representing a group", then she's delusional.
This is something that I feel like the tv show LOST did exceptionally well. It had a multi-ethnic cast of characters that all spoke in their native languages and observed their own cultural customs and it never once demanded that you like the show on those grounds. It just represented real people from real parts of the world in a real way, and even incorporated their histories into their stories, but did it without talking down to the audience or making exceptions or offering special treatment for any one group over the other.. The white men in that show were just as compelling as the muslim character or the Korean couple, and visa versa.
As a woman, I love this video. Something felt so off this phase I couldn’t put my finger on it and you explained it perfectly. Its so insulting for both sexes that what they’re doing is saying that men have to be so stupid and useless in order for women to be strong and smart.
And She Hulk could have made her points about being irritated in a flippant light hearted way, which people could have understood without being annoyed by. It's the heavy handed sledgehammer approach to gender issues that I dislike so much.
And the women still have fit within the patriarchal standard of beauty by being thin and pretty, or at least be played by women who are. Both Jane and Jennifer are thin compared to actual muscle women. But hey apparently we have 'special' lady muscles that are actually ten times stronger than they actually are!
@@alsmith9853 oh definilty! Her rant should have stopped before comparing herself to Bruce. The cat calling and mansplaining is still acceptable because it does happen and still happen.
When a male character is arrogant (Tony, Strange, Thor), he is humbled, stripped of everything, and must undertake a journey and learn how to be a hero and a better person. When a female character is arrogant (Jen, Carol), she is shown to be perfect as is, and everyone must learn from her while she never grows. And that is BORING. EDIT: Wow, thanks for all the likes!
I mean I'm all for female leads but as long as they earn it the hard way like other guys. Bruce had to spend years training to be Batman A better female role model is animated Mulan. A girl who worked to show she could fight with men equally. As opposed to the modern live-action female trope Disney has.
@@Ojas97 steve to me felt the most humane. He was a kid from Brooklyn that had alot of health issues before becoming the captain. Despite the sudden boost, he still is the same kid from Brooklyn down at his core. Genuine and humble. Struggled alot too. Same as the other heroes. Thor, tony, bruce. All of them overcame something and became something bigger than Themselves.
Arcane is a perfect example of strong female characters. They have flaws, they get beaten down, they make mistakes. And Arcane doesn't put the men down or make them stupid just so the women can be seen as powerful.
Good example! And like all good examples, it starts with a good writer just trying to tell a good story. If a few years from now, we found out these superhero movies were actually written by an AI, how surprised would you be? ;)
Imagine if this phase had actually been about grief and consequences. That would have been really powerful and meaningful. But it just wasn’t actually about that.
Yup and especially now with recent events around the world more people could relate to grief, many storytelling opportunities were lost to the idea of being “woke”
what is being "woke'? They made a show that followed the comics. Read the comics. Its a fun break the fourth wall comedy about a super hero/lawyer that sleeps around. 30 min streaming tv and ppl talk like they were going for a Best Picture Award winning Oscar.
@nuxkamina4728 Anyone I've talked to who was a fan of the comics is very much not a fan of the show - though I'll admit media is subjective, and some who loved the comic do enjoy the show, that is certainly not the majority
It’s like when a writer tries to make a character seem smart, but is limited by the writer’s own intelligence, they can only dumb down the characters around the smart one. Same thing happened here. They can’t write a good female character. So they have to write bad male characters to show you how good the females are. The result is a contest of badness. Male and female racing to the bottom
Well said! And all the woman characters are in essence carbon copies of each other, or they turn out that way in the end. They might have diversity in skin tone, but they sure don't have diversity of character
That’s not true about not being able to write decent female characters though. There ARE some in the MCU like black widow (aside from her movie) and Gomorrah. But it’s true their writing is awful for she hulk and some other female characters like captain marvel.
@@flataffect Yep, thing is…Black Widow and Gomorrah are 1) Both from previous phases, and 2) A very clear minority of the total female heroes featured in the MCU. This video is pointing out how Phase 4 is continuously pushing this flawed idea of making an average female character overpowered without effort and using said empowerment to bash on males around them to make them seem great. It’s getting super old and it’s clearly not working.
As sad and heartbroken as I was when Tony died, I’m now glad he did. Because he won’t have to suffer the humiliation that Thor & Hulk & Hawkeye are going through right now. But I’m pretty sure his daughter or whatever chick is going to suit up as the next Ironman will already know what took him years to learn & will be superior to him 🤮
"I've been riddled with gamma rays, run from the authorities for most of my life, shot myself in the mouth and forced to live through it, and suffer with the worst case of split personality disorder and severe depression" -hulk "I'm being whistled at" -she hulk
"This is too easy" - perfect! This was my biggest issue with Ray in Star Wars. After Luke learns to be a Jedi across 3 movies, and Anakin is a Padawan for 10 years and a Sith Lord for 20 more, Ray literally gains her powers in the blink of an eye. In She-Hulk, we learn that women have to control their anger. No mention that angry men are also not received well, especially if they threaten violence at the first opportunity.
Rey also beats a sith, or lifelong warrior, the first time she ever saw a light saber? In fact, I don't think she ever loses a fight with anyone in any movie and she controls the force better than anyone within minutes of hearing about it.
I think ray is worse cause atleast with she hulk it shows that hulk is still stronger and she doesn’t beat hulk at everything in training. Hulk took out shehulk with one thunderclap it took like 5 claps from shehulk to put hulk down. And hulk chucked a boulder into the atmosphere she couldn’t even do that
I hate she-hulk. Her premise could have been so much better about fighting the bad behavior from her innate self (her profuse partying, alcoholism, real problems even for high class people like her). Instead we got a whiny character that thinks getting cat-called is the most infuriating it can get. Very frustrating.
She wasn't even controlling her anger in the scene when she was lecturing Bruce. The sort of "anger control" she's talking about is taking the anger and shoving it deep down. But when you're the hulk, you don't shove it deep down. You just become the Hulk.
I think my issue is that the writers, instead of taking ownership of the fact that there weren’t many diverse stars in the first few phases, decided to write the newly diverse characters in a way that made the *audience* feel guilty for cheering on non-diverse characters to begin with. There’s an undercurrent of shame in almost every new episode. It’s why the new shows are so hard to watch, there’s no growth, no pushing boundaries, no truly humble and heroic characters. It’s just “here’s a woman who’s already perfect just because she’s a woman, she doesn’t have to work on anything, you’re welcome”. I can’t even bear to watch the trailers. The only movie lately (I know it’s not marvel, I just mean as a good example of solid writing to compare) that made me feel empowered as a woman was The Batman. Catwoman was badass, because she had growth
@@Draco_379-t6g source material isnt always good, comic are full of shitty characters, stories and decisions, especially the new comics, which this bad characters are mostly inspired from, like america chavez, ironhearth and so on... but not she hulk tho, the 80s comics of she hulk are awesome, they are not femminist crap, when they are good like she hulk they still make them worse, so they dont care about the comics especially now, because agenda
feel guilty!!!! I dont feel shit, I had a lot of fun with the first movies and didn't care about a race or gender because this thing mean nothing to me cause I am here to have Fun and not to get lecture.
Jenn telling Bruce that she's 𝒊𝒏𝒇𝒊𝒏𝒊𝒕𝒆𝒍𝒚 better at controlling her anger than him is just 𝒊𝒏𝒔𝒖𝒍𝒕𝒊𝒏𝒈𝒍𝒚 stupid! Do the writers know 𝒏𝒐𝒕𝒉𝒊𝒏𝒈 of what Bruce has gone through?!
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@@BeardedKenyanwhy would they according to their agenda a woman has nothing to learn and is born perfect. Men teaching women important things is mansplaining now
A woman here. As soon as I got a taste of Phase 4, I went running back to rewatch Captain America: The Winter Soldier to properly mourn the death of the MCU.
@@neurosity5285the new guardians is actually really good and in my option the second best guardians movie and this is the last guardians movie so guardians is safe
@@neurosity5285 my brain kept replaying the scene where Lyla got shot for days after watching after watching it. I wish all marvel movies could have this emotional impact
I thought the utter disrespect they'd shown Thor by relegating him and his tragic life into a joke could not be topped, but I guess the writers at She-Hulk took that as a challenge. I don't even like Ruffalo's Hulk and they still managed to piss me off with the way they're treating him.
The last good Marvel movie was definitely Spider-Man No Way Home. I refuse to watch She-Hulk now because of the crap they were shoving down our throats from the first episode. Baggage Claim didn't mention it but She-Hulk basically erased all the years of torture and near suicide Hulk had to endure because she gets "Catcalled" or "mansplained". If this isn't toxic femininity I don't know what is. This video just made it evident of Marvel's Misandrist purpose and goal.
@@Juraikken I pretty much noped out of the MCU after Endgame. While by no means perfect, it was a decent capstone on the MCU. What's more, the cracks were already beginning to show by the end of phase 3 and the prospects for phase 4 looked utterly grim. And yes, that was exactly the scene I was referring to. The show completely validates Jen whining about her first world problems to a man who was hunted by authorities for over a decade. A man so desperate to end his curse he tried to kill himself, but couldn't due to the very monster he was trying to escape. But oh boy, that catcalling! Those darn mansplainers!
@@Juraikken it wasnt near suicide, it was fully attempted and only failed cause hulk said no. bruce wasnt even allowed to end his suffering, yet another thing hulk took.
@@theoryofeverything9421 If I can identify a turd by sight and smell, why would I taste it? I've seen enough of this... content to know it's trash and I'd rather not further expose myself to garbage sequels lest they taint what good memories and associations I have with the earlier movies.
For months, I searched for the perfect video that perfectly explains why the MCU is falling apart because of Phase 4. There were plenty of good ones, but they lacked a few things that I thought were necessary to explain. Today I'm happy to say that I finally found that perfect video. You explained literally *EVERYTHING* that needed to be said and I love it so much. From the bait & switch, to Marvel disrespecting their established characters, to "Women good, Men bad" and many other things.
Fr, I don’t even look forward to their movies anymore. But one I was intrigued by (cause he’s my favorite) is Loki season two. What did you think about it?
We went from Bruce being unable to commit suicide in the first Avengers to Jennifer womansplaining about being catcalled or being called emotional in She Hulk. In the words of the great Nerdrotic, we are in peak M She-U phase bore
@@DougieYT seeing as how Batgirl got cancelled to protect the DC brand or whatever David Zaslav said I'm actually very hopeful for the future. I can feel the winds of change a-blowing
@@BaggageClaim That's what annoys me so about the she-hulk character; she is not humble and is very disrespectful to her cousin and the things hes gone through and continues going through which are far more serious and grievous then any cat calls she ever endured!💯😁😉👍
@@BaggageClaim you know twords the end of the episode where she's just going off about how bad his life was after he became a hulk and that he had no friends or family and all that....I'm just thinking " wow....everything you just said was wrong" First off you are his family so good job on recognizing that He was friends with the avengers and we have seen him hang out with people plenty of times after he became the hulk The only time he really started to go into isolation was after avengers 2 and even then he just went right back to being a part of a team and even pretty quickly managed to over come his hulk problem and was no longer a threat so no overall Bruce banner has had it rough but not to the point where there was nothing left to live for. It was hard but he always had the support of his friends who happily best the sh*t out of the hulk for him * Sniff* and I know my friends would beat the shit out of me too if I asked them 🤣😂😅
It's such a delight listening to a woman, real woman talking like this. These weirdos don't even understand what they have in hands, and do what they do better, ruin established characters in order to lecture us "what we should do to make the world a more inclusive place", but in doing so, they are losing the real fans. Thank you kindly for sharing your articulated words.
Yes, though they do not even convey a good lecture. They tell us a half-assed message each time about how they THINK we should act, completely ignoring that they´re in their own little disconnected bubble of society and have no idea what real individualism is. I do not like the word "inclusion" when it comes to certain minorities or heritages simply because it hints at them not being included usually, at them being not a part of what "normal" is. I for one do not include people, I pick the right person for the right job. And everyone has a place everywhere, you just need to look.
Makes me curious as to if it's not a male writer. Stumbled across a channel that had a female voice a male channel but was advocating for men's rights. She pointed it out in almost a way to insinuate they don't necessarily reflect what she feels. And I think the lesson can be applied nicely here, some people just read from a script.
Well... *points at reality*. Yeah, wanting is not getting. And in the end Marvel Comics very much tried to be a fictionalized mirror of reality. So does the MCU at many points.
@@ryanmartin4602 --Well....so many men are struggling with lust and impurity.....not just fornication but the pr0n problem too. A man can't commit and lead a family if he has no loyalty and virtue. No respect for another human being, and no respect for his future wife, and no respect for himself. If competent men are there (which they are) there are FAR less compared to my dad and mom's generation. And are harder to find.
@@ryanmartin4602 No. Just that there is a lack of them. There are in general too many incompetent people, no matter the gender though. But I'd say when you look at women and men and especially in the field of interaction between them... Men have way more incompetent people there. And eh, every woman who is a bit bigger on the Internet (even if not in any erotic business or so) can tell you a dozen stories and the same goes for women who are/were using dating apps about such men. Can't say the same for men, or at least not in this quantity and quality.
The most ironic thing is that the best and the most successful movie BY FAR from phase 4 was technically not even filmed by Marvel. That says it all, in my opinion.
@@asmodeusml totally agree. No way home has a special place for me coz I got to see Tobey again and that too with Andrew and Tom. That was such a fun reunion and it went so well with the story. Frankly I like all 3 of them coz none of them are completely bad.
The saddest thing is that this phase had an amazing potential . All the new characters and stories Could have been so much better and fun if they focused on writing rather than pushing agenda only
@@smokedsanjl for real like. what is the mcu supposed to do after half the universe is obliterated. there's going to be new stuff. people are just mad the original cast is gone.
All stories push an agenda or have an agenda behind them, that is not bad itself. The real problem here is that they are not writing good characters and stories.
Someone tell the writers of She-Hulk that being catcalled in the street or condescended by people you work with is *not comparable* to Bruce witnessing his father abuse his mother as a child, getting hit with a supposedly lethal dose of radiation, developing a superpowered alter ego he had no control over, being hunted by his own government for years because of said alter ego, and becoming depressed to the point of suicide only to realise this alter ego wouldn't even let him die. Bruce had no choice but to bring the Hulk to heel, because every day he didn't was literally driving him insane.
its almost like jen is a human who said something that was not factually true but what is she felt. maybe i watched a different show but can you pinpoint the moment in which the show validates jen's viewpoint only. why would the show induce a one side argument into the show each character has a point. Hulk basically said forget your friends and family, your job and bills, and relationships! abandon them all and live in exile cuz that's what superhero's do, not realizing that he did that only because he had too, i would have not said that to my fam but i would be mad that you bascailly ruined my life and then try to control where it goes
@@nebula1123 Because the MCU is loaded with Hulks that- oh wait, it's only him and now her. In the entire episode she did nothing that made her come off as having a single redeeming quality either, which is why people are not as willing to give her a chance.
@@nebula1123 I would agree with you if it was real life and not a scripted show (people say dumb things all the time or at least things they really believe). But as a show we have seen how the writer and actors think and their opinions on interviews, with that context its obvious that's the factual truth for them an use the show as a vehicle for their agenda.
@@VerryJerry90 I half agree. I agree in that she didn't compare trauma but anger management and proved herself wrong when she turned into hulk right after she said it. A lot of people either ignore that scene or didn't watch since they only watch clips of her ranting. But I disagree in that she did compare and that shouldn't have been done so as to make her character more likeable. She could have just said "oh, anger management. It's not like I never done it before. In fact I do it all the time!" and stop before she said "I do it better than you," But nope, she didn't and kept going and it shows that what she truly is; someone that, while rightfully being looked down by men, instead of ignoring it and becoming better, she decided to do the same thing as they did and look down on men as well.
It's honestly mind boggling to me how there isn't more of an uproar surrounding a lot of these projects. The way I see it, Marvel is essentially telling us that the only thing interesting about some of these characters is their sexual preference and/or skin color, and that female characters can only be strong when all the male characters are weakened.
why would anyone take this shit that seriously, If you don't like what Marvel studios are doing... don't watch their stuff. All the crazy shit happening in the world and your crying about movies.
God bless you, this is what I’ve been trying to put into words for months. You got the it just right. I hate this phase. Toxic femininity is a thing people and it’s not cool for women to act like the men they hate🔊🔊🔊
@@soulhunter59 what do you consider woke? a strong female that has earned her position and worked for it? even if the work is not on camera it described and shown in other ways. Nah to me a woke strong female character, is just the most fantastic important person in the entire story with little to no flaws and the bare minimum of back story explaining why and how they are who and where they are. And I can't really see a scenario where that will ever be considered a good charater quality wise by most of the critically thinking audience
Nah, that's not the problem. The problem is Marvel likes to seem woke, but they do as little as they can in that sense. For example, they couldn't replace Chadwick after his passing because they 'really care for a black artist's work', but they didn't give 2 fucks when Chadwick complained about the lack of representation behind the scenes in every Marvel movie he has worked except for Black Panther. The way Marvel can't go deep about the struggles of minorities is the biggest proof of that. Not to mention the "hey, look at my LGBT character no one knows is a LGBT character! We'll censor them in the Middle East, but don't look at! We'll get you a glittery rainbow flag"
@@ProfessorGunk being constantly hateful to men and white people is pathetic. People are sick of it. It's simple. Wanting to be on top (because that's what it is) by hating others makes people cringe...
Problem is right wing, main stream media, idiots on the internet and corporations destroying the meaning of woke lol. It just means you acknowledge unfairness and injustice towards some groups in society. Like you aren't asleep to their issues, your woke to them. Taking it further than that is something else. Same as feminism.
Some women definitely have anger issues, so Bruce is perfectly reasonable in asking her if she can control her anger. He of all people knows the horrific consequences of not controlling your emotions as the hulk. But no, she took it personally because she thinks he’s being sexist bc everything has to be about her 🙄 Edit: not just women, but men too. The reason I emphasized women was because she saw it as a sexist attack when it really wasnt
It's not even a woman thing. He just wants to know because if ANYONE with her powers man or woman had them and couldn't control it then the end result could be catastrophic. It's a legitimate question regardless of gender. To then say what she said to a man that lost years of his life fleeing from a government that turned him into a monster in the first place and then had to not only do it again after he saved there asses after they did the experiment AGAIN he also was forced to say goodbye to the woman he loved too. It's like the writers forgot The Incredible Hulk is canon. Even if the actor is different the events that happened in that film were still part of the life of the character we see on screen now
And got she gets angry while proceeding to belittle the trauma he's been through and comparing that to how traumatic it is for men acknowledging her on the street that she's good looking.
They should have introduced them individually - or say two at a time - with their backstories and character developments BEFORE making "the Eternals", would have worked way better than just throwing an ensemble movie at us when we know literally none of the characters. Many viewers have never read a Marvel comic in their lives but were intrigued by (and loved) the movies of phases 1-3. And then Disney comes along and shoves an ensamble movie in their faces with a dozen or so more or less important characters, whom those viewers never heard about, were never even hinted at. How was this ever supposed to work out?
@@MrZPal2099 a couple were interesting, they just opened and focused on the 3 blandest. I liked the one who went bollywood, and his assistant, but the others were bland or underdeveloped. GotG they all can into the story quickly (except drax), and were all fully fleshed out. But there were also less characters to develop.
The main problem with why these female characters come across so badly is because the writers think that you have to be physically strong to be a 'strong' person. You can be weak, you can be emotional, you can fail and have flaws, and you can be a strong woman all at the same time. Women are human, so when you take away the human experience from your main character in order to make them seem strong, you're making them unrelatable.
The funny thing is that they think we as the audience don't see this (especially females) it's very patronizing. As a woman, I cannot relate to any of the female heroes they have, nothing about them or their "journey" is relatable, and everything feels forced and unnatural. And I will not watch something simply because it's a female lead or my skin color is represented. we need good stories again not this nonsense. The death of cinema this is what we are seeing right now, its not only happening in the MCU but also in other movies. Absolutely love your video essays, so spot on.
none of the female characters struggle or grow they are all strong straight out of the box. and for some reason they are better than their male counterparts regardless of experience. this has also seeped into the she hulk series. she hulk is stronger than hulk already, smarter and faster. now hulk has 7 phds. how is she smarter than him?
@@PeterOgbodu most of the women do have struggle. and since you obviously believe that women cant be stronger than men: she hulk is not stronger than the hulk…give it time 🤦♀️
@@zulramikaelson5492 there’s no giving it time. In ANY iteration she hulk would be stronger then the hulk (where there is literally fucking none naturally) they had to WEAKEN hulk. There’s a difference between being stronger, and making a REALLY POWERFUL character, weaker.
Notice how Spider-Man No Way Home was also significantly different from every other film in Phase 4, because it is a very explicit depiction of the hardships that Peter Parker has to go through, in order to become a true Spider-Man. The whole film is basically proving to us all that this version of Spider-Man is really worthy of being Spider-Man, alongside the older versions, BECAUSE of the pain and suffering he is willing to endure and overcome. In every other Phase 4 work, the new female characters come out perfect and untouchable--making them unrelatable and unworthy.
YES. Exactly. No Way Home, had basically zero propaganda and woke garbage. It focused on a good compelling story. There was no new spider-woman who will take on his role or anything, there was just the real Peter parkers story, only just starting. The MCu Peter Parker's story is just getting started(I hope).
That's because nobody cares about the suffering of men and what we go through every day because we don't publicize it and it's also not championed by social media. Peter Parker's character is the personification of men that do the right thing but are rarely rewarded for it.
@@joshuaedwards4927 Sry but where did he remotely did the right thing in the newest movie? He wanted to alter the Universe because he didn't want to face the consequences. He messes with the spell and was responsible for all these super villains attacking New York and then refused to listen to the wizard who safed his ass and traps him in hos own dimension. And because of that his aunt died. I like the ending because he has to be responsible for the shit he was doing in the majority of the movie. But until that moment were was he doing the right thing? Or do you meant Peter Parker in general and not in the latest movie?
@@Isabelle-hv6ny How did he do the right thing ? 1) Tried to help his friends get into College 2) Tried to save bad guys from being sent to their deaths in their universes 3) sacrificed everybody he knew and loved at the end to save the world
One of the things I love about people's mentality with Falcon & the Winter Soldier's race issues along with other shows like Law & Order when they tackle race is that they say things are more complicated than just black and white when the mentality they use is the most black and white thinking I've ever seen anywhere. It's like you said, white men bad, women, even if bad, good.
Yes yes yes. I think Falcon and the Winter Soldier did social commentary the best out of phase 4. It was a core part of the show, but it felt “deeper”. The rest, to me, feels really patronizing and insincere.
@@m1nouz384 Is that a joke? Falcon and the Winter Soldier's commentary was "You got to do better Senator!" And some weird thing about terrorists being misunderstood heros and actual heroic patriots (ahem, John Walker) being evil "colonizers." Except if you're a black woman from Wakanda, then you're above every international law
@@sivad1025This and the fact that they literally made Bucky apologize for getting mad at Sam for giving away the shield. The shield that his BEST FRIEND SINCE CHILDHOOD carried into the worst war in history. Also, Bucky knows more about being enslaved than Sam ever will, yet he’s treated like an “uneducated white man.” It’s pisses me off because I really love both characters and I was excited for the show when it came out. Only for Sam and Bucky to be out of character for the entire duration.
"not tell you you're amazing because you're a minority" 100% this. As a woman, I don't need anyone pandering to me and saying all women are perfect. Let's base the greatness of any person/character off their actions not their checked box. Additionally, as a society we always swing wildly between sides of a pendulum vs. finding things in the middle.
I've been telling my friends about this "pattern" since the very start of Phase Four, and some of them just couldn't see it. It really makes me happy to know that more and more people are starting to realize the blatantly sexist and racist mentalities brought into these shows/films, and it makes me even happier to see a *woman* speaking out about it too. You've definitely earned yourself a subscriber! ✅️
What pattern? Kang, your big bad, your thanos level bad is black. Renslayer was also a minor villain in Loki, also a poc and a woman. Drejkov and Kingpin were always white males. I don't see how they are relevant, especially Kingpin since he is the original cast from DareDevil. Karli was obviously a terrorist and a villain, the fact that her cause was sympathetic does not mean she was a hero. Another villain was the PowerBroker which surprise surprise is Sharon Carter, a woman. In WandaVision, there are 3 villains, Agatha a woman, Hayward (white male) and yes, Wanda. Again, just because you sympathize with her does not make her a hero in this story arc. In MoM, Wanda IS the main villain (imo it made no sense because of her arc in WandaVision, but the point still stands that she was the main atagonist). In Loki, the show is absolutely about Loki. People keep forgetting that it's Loke right after the events of New York. He is the same guy we all laughed at when Hulk went Hulk on his ass and called him a Puny God. Recency bias is a thing and it's showing. The fact that the series focuses on how his interactions with Mobius, Sylvie and the other Lokis and how they are the driving force for him to understand his "Glorious Purpose" is undeniable truth that Loki is the main hero. Sylvie remains flat and in the end her motives and drive remain the same "kill the one responsible for her fate". The OP does not even understand Cersi's powers which were very clearly shown at some point. She can turn matter into something else and the only reason she was strong enough to turn a budding Celestial into marble was because she connected to the other remaining Eternals to give her the strength, so it was a collective effort not one OP character. Cherry Picking your points and conveniently leaving out important parts of the story to fit your narrative is disingenuous at best. There is no patter. The only pattern there is is that they are increasingly introducing their female characters because Perlmutter was forcing them not to for 10 straight years. 10 years with 0 female leads and just Black Widow, Wanda and Gamora primarily. Only in the very end they introduced The Wasp and Cpt Marvel, after Perlmutter was gone.
@@nabooxodonosoras8022the thing is you don't need to change the race or the gender of a loved character everytime, why it is so necessary to have more female or diverse characters if you're gonna put in them the personality of a wood stick, there's no need, there's no justification, it's just an dumb agenda from people who were feed up with cheap Marxist ideology from the 70's it's like even black and gay people have noticed, a women is telling you, but I assume you're ok with those kind of ideas. you may think it's ok but I have flash news pal the whole world it's not California 🤣 we don't think that shit is worth it SORRY 😔
What pisses me off about that She-Hulk scene specifically is that she clearly has no idea what Bruce has gone through. Let me list everything off: -Abusive father -Father murdered mother -Worked in extremely toxic environment where his gf's dad was his boss and also a massive prick -Gets blasted by an expirimental bomb that ruins his life -Becomes a fugitive for 10+ years, forcing him to abandon the love of his life -Attempts suicide and fails because the Hulk won't let him die -A woman he loved dies and even with the Infinity Gauntlet he can't bring her back But yeah getting cat-called is sooo much worse.
Hands down the best commentary on Marvel phase 4 I have heard to date. I miss when movies provided us with great stories instead of forcing agendas down everyone’s throats. Thanks for your great content.
The BEST VIDEO YET! I am a woman and I ABSOLUTELY HATE THE WOMEN CRAP…. HATE IT.. because I am not a pathetic delusional person who NEEDS TO SEE WOMEN DESTROY MY FAVOURITE MARVEL HEROES AND I LIKE MEN! This makes me sick to my stomach because now women and different races are being TREATED LIKE CHILDREN AND SPOON FED STUFF JUST TO SHUT THE CRYING AND WHINGING UP and RUINING MARVEL!
Anyone else getting mad at these studios, knowing how many amazing stories there are out there which don't get approved, and these pieces or garbage do.
I’ve recently read The God Butcher Omnibus. Gorr is such a nuanced character, who ultimately becomes the thing he hates the most. He’s a Thanos level villain in terms of his motivations and what he wants to achieve. The MCU reduced him to an almost nothing character with very little screen time. He also only kills one god, whereas in the source material he kills thousands. I would love to see a Marvel movie that did Gorr properly. But it would require an 18 Certificate, and I can’t see Disney going in for that.
That ending monolog you did honestly almost had me in tears. It's RARE to hear women these days talk men up and thanks to popular media these days promoting misandry, it was something I really needed to hear. YOu have not said it, but phase 4 and modern films are just sexist. I mean, if the Transformers films are called sexist for showing Megan Fox's ass, than these films promoting hate against men sure as hell are as well.
Yup love and Thunder had nude thor.. hmm you can do good man or women eye candy characters as long they human with great stories. What’s wrong with this wrong woke they care way too much on the hot bodies but not their hearts, smarts or soul.
There are more and more women critics on UA-cam coming out about how terrible these characters are being written. Finally, women who aren't gaslighting other women into believing they have some sort of evil internalized misogyny because they dared to find some faults in a female character. 🙃
Satan gave me a tacooo & It made me really sick The be chicken was all raw & The grease was mighty thick The rice was all rancid & The beans were so hard I was getting kinda dizzy Eating all the lard Naw come, on we know if Satan gave you a taco it would blow your mind.
I’m so happy you’re bring this up. I’m so tired of all this woke garbage and I’m happy someone’s sharing the truth. This wokeness has gotten so bad that me, a straight white male, can no longer have my own opinions about anything because I have “white privilege” or I’m spreading “toxic masculinity”. It’s a shame that Marvel, one of my favourite movie franchises, has gone down this path. Thank you for making this
How did they not see the irony of that she hulk "I deal with Infinitely more than you, Bruce" scene... Her big gripes are cat calls, and then the most minor irritations that most of us deal with on a daily basis, to a guy who's had people he loves die, who's been locked out of his own body for over 2 years, who's tried to kill himself over the remorse of losing control of his emotions and killing innocent bystanders... and she loses control of her emotions just talking about how much better she is at controlling them 🤣
And the way they had Bruce looking chastised and humble, like, "yes, you're right. Such excellent points and examples. I should have known better than to have even suggested you may need help and guidance. Thank you for reminding me of how little I know... I can really feel your pain... You clearly have a better handle on all of this from being a hulk for all of 2 hours than I ever hope to after over a DECADE. Gosh girl, you're so naturally superior. What was I thinking?" BLURGH! I hated that scene.
First 3 phases did have mainly men, but the few women who were in it were perfectly capable too, the men didn’t spend their time telling them how useless they were. Phase 4 is all about the women just telling the men how rubbish they are. It doesn’t paint women in a good light as it tells men “when women get the chance, all they want to do is tell you you’re rubbish and we don’t need you”. Not sure that’s a great message for societal cohesion.
Men never tell women how useless they are, even if they were what possible good would come from expressing it. Women always tells men (as a collective, not necessarily as individuals) that they are useless, both in fiction and in reality. Of course nothing good will come from that either but unfortunately feminists seem unable to understand this, probably it just feels so good when they can express it, to each other and to men.
And one major impact that this whole "we don't need men" or "men are useless" is quite concerning. My little brother literally asked me one day about how mentally affected he is after watching these movies and that he doesn't feel good about himself. This is sad.
I think wasp is an amazing example of an incredible female character, like the movie made it obvious that she was better than Scott but it fit so perfectly. They were equals helping each other solve each other's hurdles. That's how movies should be.
Also when it comes to She Hulk she said she can control herself when she goes full hulk. So that means she was fully aware that her kicking a group of men would have killed them.
I didn't like she said that to hulk though. It invalidated his experiences. Like he went through depression and tried to k himself and he experienced living in Asgard and isolating himself there and through Thanos and whatnot and somehow all his trauma and depression he lived are less significant to her
I think whats ironic is a lot people think thats what superman is like some perfect being who can do no wrong but in reality he's just a down to earth guy trying to make the world better
As a black man, it baffles me to see the same company managed to make the same mistake 20 times over, but that's what happens when you get activists instead of real writers. It just makes me sad, I want diversity, but I also want well written characters and a GOOD story, I don't think that's asking for much and I don't think that makes me sexist either?!
good writing, good story and entertaining the three things missing in the nonsense we are getting. I am all for us getting along with each other and a haveing a fair socity but this is not helping.
I watched the first episode of she-hulk, with absolute nothing going in and i just thought to myself, this is a joke right? like the writers POINT OUT what bruce had to go through his struggles, his sacrifice, his pain, for this woman to be just like him and better from day one? i just felt cheated
That's how Jen was and always has been in the comics. It's due to her receiving a mere fraction of the Gamma dosages Bruce did via blood transfusion originally, and now accidental exposure. Bruce is not the same. The Leader as well. Amadeus Cho barely had any side effects and was a master of his powers in a day. Each Hulk experiences their "monster" differently. Jen's was fortunately nonexistent.
@@1911odisea Yeh, but she is on par with "Professor" Hulk as shown here, but as you said not with Savage Hulk, OG Hulk, Joe Fixit, etc... This iteration of Hulk has always been the weakest.
Original Mulan: she works hard to build her strength to compete with the men, and the men learn that strength alone isn't enough. New Mulan: she's born awesome and everyone needs to get out of the way of her amazing awesomeness because she's better than everyone at everything or something.
It apparently worked. People keep paying for this garbage no matter how many polished turds are flung at them. They've incentivized Hollywood to do the bare minimum, the audience will pay for it either way.
That's where you're wrong. They did understand it. The She-Hulk showrunner admitted she actively made the show to attack fans. Just like modern Marvel comics creators since All New All Different in 2015, they're actively running off the fans. They don't want fans of the properties, they want fans of the creators. They want consumers of the properties. Anyone can be a consumer but it requires work to make them fans.
I love the fact that this is coming from a woman, No matter how I forced my self to love the new marvel M-She-U it just won’t register. On the other hand I truly want to see strong characters that happen to be female, But understanding now all of the cringe “i’m so powerful” empowerment scenes might be the reason. Not only did they not have any real struggle they seem to bash or take away all the pain and trauma the original heroes have endured before hand, I cant seem to hook onto their agenda but now realizing they’re actually pushing an agenda here. ( She-Hulk was the Definitive proof of an agenda) and now looking back at most Phase 4+ female superhero it seems all too real it’s a shame. ___________________________R.I.P Stan Lee
My biggest phase 4 disappointment has been Thor Love & Thunder because at its core it had a decent story and could’ve been a great film. Thor dealing with having lost so much and trying to find the thing that’s missing in his life to be reminded by Jane that it’s love and to find it in the role of being a parent, Jane dealing with her death and finally coming to the stage of acceptance and finding purpose in it, Gorr becoming overwhelmed revenge to at the gods to be reminded all he ever wanted was his daughter to be alive. This could’ve been a great movie if it hadn’t been weighed down by bad directing and writing making it feel like a parody of a Marvel movie.
Female thor was a mega cringe self insert from the get. The character is woke washing. Marvel comics has been hot garbage once they started injecting that shit.
@@Reverandfatdave acc female Thor was something that happened in the comics year ago after og Thor dies, it's not a desperate attempt by pc culture it's just a bad representation of a decent comic Not to mention beta Ray bill, or horse thor
@@genghisfarn yeah, I had no issue with Jane Thor being int he MCU but it was implemented terribly, even in the trailers. She could have been a surprise being introduced with Mjolnir, but of course in Disney's eyes, she had to be Trailer bait, just a tool to put more butts in seats.
Been feeling MCU burnout ever since Endgame (to be frank, it started around the time of Captain Marvel) and this video perfectly illustrates why I have lost interest in this phase of Marvel; prioritizing forced agenda-driven stories over good character writing. And I have no doubt it's going to get worse with the next phase.
@@andrewgreeb916 Hard agree! Infinity War was the peak of their writing and everything afterwards has just been clunky, subpar and agenda obsessed nonsense. Even No Way Home mostly benefited from having the nostalgia of old characters returning.
They have enough money to throw around now. Imagine, using the fame and fortune that they amassed through the work of MEN, Chris Evans, Robert Downey Jr, Chris Hemsworth etc and make feminist propaganda bullshit like Captain Marvel, Loki, Black Widow etc.
Endgame should have been the last marvel property for like a full year. No announcements, nothing. We literally spent a decade following these stories and then marvels like cha ching! Baby! 18 more things in 2 years HERE WE GO!
For Thor, you can have him be humorous and still be a compelling character. I think Ragnarok did a good job at balancing out the humour and serious moments. Unfortunately Love and Thunder showed Thor almost never turn off the humour and the character felt 2D
It sucks how they’ve treated the characters we love so much with such disrespect and replaced them with toxic characters 😔 As a Hispanic woman, I’m disappointed with these new female characters introduced and I don’t have to like something just because it features diverse characters. Spiderman is one of my favorite heroes in marvel and honestly, like you said, these new characters introduced in the mcu lack any character growth and as such, I don’t feel emotionally attached to them or find them even a little bit relatable or likeable. These new movies and shows also lack great story telling (plot) and it’s disappointing. I just don’t care about these new marvel movies or shows featuring these toxic, unlikeable characters. It’s cool if you guys like the new movies and shows released, I’m just saying my opinion. Also I just discovered your channel and I love your content 🤍
I wouldn't call them new characters. They all exist in the comics and some have been around for a long time. Now what us Marvel's agenda bringing in all these female replacements is beyond me
Part of me also thinks is that they know they are bad writers so they lace their shows and movies with all these woke, man hating and lets be honest, incredibly ignorant agenda in the hopes that people are obligated to like it. One thing i never really understood is that when you have all kinds of movies that do OK-ish in the box office only for them to get scrapped. why is it that despite the repeated failures, woke movies are still being churned out? i mean i doubt any ESG score can save you when everybody stops watching your products
Entertainment can be done right if written right. Look at Top Gun Maverick. It has diversity. It has female protagonists. But unlike Marvel and the rest of the SJW garbage out there, Top Gun wasn't agenda driven and didn't force the audience to feel bad about "representation" and all of the other patronizing bullshit these propagating shameless cash takers keep injecting into things we wanna be entertained by. Top Gun was written right. MCU Phase 4 is SHIT!
@@JavelinAngel1295 agree,it all depends on writers ability and willingness to tell a good story,for me personally a great example of a diverse show is Arcane,two lead characters are women,one is a lesbian,and I love it,I can understand and relate to every single character,(despite what Hollywood says that apparently a character needs to be a right skin color or gender to be relatable),because what they do and how they think makes sense,they deal with things in different ways,have different opinions and morals and so on,it’s like they all are different...characters,imagine having those in a show,because in the end sexuality,gender or skin color doesn’t make us who we are,it doesn’t make us liking or disliking people,especially in stories.
@@trueOGseries the agenda is they need the in- fighting between people so the billionaires can do their dirty stuff while we're busy arguing why "phase 4 sucks" And working marvelously
Thank you so much for pointing out the problem and giving solutions to it. Many channels simply rage on the problem for views and it brings us nowhere.
I'm so glad more and more women are calling out the terrible writing in these shows and films, it's a disservice to their own message and a lot of it has a big dose of misandry on the side. People don't want less women in these things they want better written ones
Yes I loved black widow (haven't seen her stand alone movie and don't intend to) Her character was interesting and inspiring The fact that she was able to do what she could not because she was stronger than people but because she was smart and could figure out how to physically solve a problem despite being weaker/disadvantaged was what drew me to her Not what they are putting out now
Exactly. All this does is make teenage boys assumed ALL girls are rude, condescending, and self-centered like this character is. It makes women look bad, is a terrible influence for girls, and can lead young boys into disliking or stereotyping women. They need to focus on making characters actually morally good and not self-centered again (or make it an arc where they become good over time, like Tony.)
This video is one of the most logical, clear-headed explanations of what is wrong with many movies and television programs today. Though not Marvel, I saw the agenda-driven storylines starting with the CW's Supergirl and it's gotten progressively worse. Marvel/Disney has completely emasculated Thor and the Hulk and continues to ruin solid characters just to drive a political agenda. Great video - thank you for posting it!
@@AG-fg1uk You clearly don't understand the stupidity of your statement so it's not really Worth responding to. Although I am pretty certain you should look into your mirror to find the actual agenda
The part where Sam says “you have to do better senator” and gives no ideas or suggestions about how to solve the problem is the best example of how stupid woke culture is.
@@jamesjackson8265 implying that he knows best because he’s a black man wearing the Stars and Stripes while giving no incline on how to solve any of the logistical problems faced is a dishonour to everything Steve Rogers believed in.
Not really. The world did work for 5 Years without borders. Just because imperaialists came back does not mean it should be changed back again just for power hungry and corrupt people to get back to places of power. He needs to do better not to fall back into that old routine of conflict just because it is hard to face those people.
This is perfect, you say exactly what I try to say to my friends when I tell them I’m not excited to see a movie or a tv show anymore cause I know that I most likely gonna end up like those examples you’ve shown
You seriously hit the mark with this video. As a young black man, I say Phase 4 is bad in general (it's just... not good in many, many ways. Besides Spider-Man). I don't care about the politics; just give me a good movie! I don't understand these film producers' drive to replace established male heroes with female ones, and/or make white males look like fools compared to those of any other race. Speaking of, switching established heroes with unlikable "diverse" ones, just for the sake of "diversity" or "girl power", SUCKS beyond belief! If you're gonna represent us black folk, give us dynamic black characters who aren't just replacements for established white male heroes, please. I don't mind heroes of different races at all, nor do I hate female leads. I love diversity in films if it's handled correctly. If these diverse characters aren't even good to begin with, I DON'T want them. If they're well-written, I'll most likely enjoy them. Otherwise, I want a refund. Oh, by the way, I don't need a hero to be black to look up to him or her. I look up to any good role model, man or woman, black or white. These people behind these "woke" films don't seem to understand that lol. I'm planning on writing my own superhero and action films because the current writers are generally bad for this genre. If I ever make a film that succeeds, I'm going to yell with pure satisfaction.
Hit me up if you need actors for the film, I’d love to have my career start in the hands of somebody who knows how to write a good story instead of whatever Hollywood is doing nowadays
I'm so glad to see people still care about good writing and the essence of a story. If more people like you got in the industry, we'd have way better movies
I had heard through my ex-boyfriend that’s the introduction of a female leads to take over from there male counterparts is in keeping with the comics and is actually canon. I have not ever looked at the comics. Is there any truth to this? Or is my ex just speculating? Were it to be true, I still don’t like what the woke agenda has done to these films and TV series. I loved all the Marvel films up until End Game and then Spider-Man: No Way Home. Black Widow was a huge disappointment. As was the Eternals and Dr. Strange and the Multiverse of Madness. Loki was ok. Didn’t like Ms. Marvel nor Hawkeye or Falcon and the Winter Soldier. There was some brilliant actors that I enjoyed watching in some of the scenes, but because of the agenda that is being pushed and the suffocating storylines, I’m not as excited about what is yet to come. I’m so disappointed as I love superhero stories.
@@mariagrace11 literally every single "woke change" is literally just making things comic accurate. Sam becoming cap, woman captain marvel, Ms marvel, Wanda's focus, hell she-hulks first comic was in like the 70s. All of these "changes" are nothing new. Comics have always been like this, they're just willing to do it now because it makes them money now.
The tragedy of thease stories are that horrible people will use the association between bad writing and Diverse peoples as one in the same, hurting the cause even more. Some people do have good intentions and bad outcomes, others just use it as a shield to hide and it’s stupid.
@@daveeyes oh sorry, I ment movements focused on helping minority groups after years of oppresion. Like male rape victims, Trans people, native Americans ect. I didn't want to make it a paragraph so I had to short hand things
"I'm a black man carrying the stars and stripes...".... Marvel didn't get it. They have no idea what those stars and stripes stand for. They do not deserve to wear them. I'm disappointed and I know that poor Stan Lee would be so angry with how they've tore Marvel to shreds... this whole thing is just a giant disaster and I'm so angry and sad... RIP Stan Lee, the legacy you built... died with you unfortunately...
You completely nailed it! You have elegantly explained why I hate ALL Disney movies from the past few years. Its total propaganda! They insult their main audience, and they forgot to tell a story!
@@sarthak_chandra understood. I think SpiderMan NWH was trying to tell us this was the *REAL END OF THE LINE* OF the MCU as we knew it! All those nostalgic cameos.
Thank you! 🙌🏼 As a woman, I’m so sick of having my intelligence insulted by the lack of struggle and complexity in these fabricated female characters. Throwing some chicks on screen and giving them nothing more than witty one liners about degrading men, and powers that magically somehow instantly surpass those of men with twice their size and experience, is NOT empowering or inspiring. It’s boring, forced, and absolute cringe. I think of what men must think watching this stuff and feel so embarrassed. There should be awesome female characters. They should be developed into someone that everyone cares about and roots for, including men. Male super heroes fight evil bad guys and female superheroes fight…men? 🤦🏻♀️ LAME. 👎🏼 When are they going to learn that no one asked for this??
@@baldmahoraga That’s another aspect of the dangers of wokeism; that you can’t criticize anything lest you be labeled some kind of phobe or ist. It’s insulting to think women can’t take criticism. And the irony of fabricating strong female characters but then sending the message that women are so weak we can’t take some criticism or even teasing, so we need to be protected and insulated by the likes of Hollywood, UA-cam, Facebook, etc., so that we don’t hear anything negative. Our little heads might explode. 🙄 Same goes with anyone who isn’t white or straight or cis, as if they’re so feeble we need to police the whole world to make sure no one ever gets offended. I don’t want anyone acting like they’re my mom besides my mom. My generation didn’t have all this and we’re tougher than the younger, woker generations. We were pushed to actually BE strong, to figure out how to solve problems ourselves, to speak up and fight back when bullied, to lose a game with grace & class, to make our own way when we want something but face obstacles - not to watch movies with strong women in them but then go get a hug from our teacher and ask to use their cry closet when someone hurt our feelings. You can’t put out the message that a minority group is strong & powerful while at the same time putting out the message that they’re so delicate they need to be a protected class and sheltered from all the meanies in the world. 🤦🏻♀️
I don't understand why they are so insistent on putting down the heroes we already love to bring in new ones, why can't they leave the legacies of the veteran heroes be and have them pave the way for the new blood instead of being replaced and outclassed
I think we've all seen this in the real world, at work where someone can't just BE good at their job. They can't, so they try to make everyone else around them look bad.
If they showed women getting 'tested' like the male heroes, they would also be called sexist for showing women 'being abused'. You can't portray women as anything but perfect without being called sexist, and I think that speaks volumes. The best advice to anyone trying to write a great female character is "Just write a great character and make them female." We're all human and we do have gender-specific experiences, but being awesome or cool isn't gender-specific.
Btw I love the Edge of Tomorrow reference. That was a perfect female action hero character. Didn't feel unrealistic at all and it was quite comical watching her beat Tom Cruises character down to build him up. Worked seamlessly in my opinion.
would have been actually perfect if her character wasn't used as a romance partner and instead he just genuinely cared about her as a close friend and comrade that he's died alongside thousands of times.
It boggles my mind how something so good like the MCU could be completely ruined so fast like it is being done now, and no one does anything about it . Insanity..
I'm taking a dramatic literature class and we recently read Antigone alongside a piece by the philosopher Hagel on Greek tragedies vs Romantic tradegies (like Shakespeare). According to Hagel Romantic tragedies have a personification of evil that provides conflict, as opposed to the Greek tragedy which provides conflict by presenting two characters who are neither evil or good, innocent or guilty, but instead acting in the only way their character could act. When they want opposing things, it creates conflict with no easy solution. Hagel cited Antigone as a wonderful example. Antigone wants to honor her family by providing her brother with a burial, and Creon wants to uphold his values of justice by denying the burial. Imo, Civil War is a great modern day example of this. While yes, there is a villain, the main conflict comes from Steve and Tony both acting in the only way they could as characters and it's why it's a hotly debated issue. Phase 4 has no conflict like this, but instead expects us to simply agree with whatever morals or values they are spoon feeding us. That's why I think phase 4 sucks
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I always loved strong women. Sarah Connor, Ripley were awesome. keep doing this videos. you're a wise and cool woman. my greatest respect.
ok i have one problem with this video i thought it would be about the actual quality... love your other content tho keep that up!
sorry i meant to reply to the actual video
Agreed with a lot of it but… Hawkeye was really good and it was mainly about him but it’s clear there co-stars instead of hero and sidekick
PS: it took Kate bishop YEARS to learn archery as it does in real life
The same sexist think the only way to make women look good is make guys look like bumbling idiots.And only then women look good thru proxy
As Stan Lee once famously said: "social issues I try to get in, in the background or underlying a plot... but never to the point of interfering with the story or hitting the reader over the head." That is precisely what these newer films have failed to accomplish time and time again.
Stan Lee was all about representation. His obviously had to create “white heroes” during his time in order to be appealing to the masses but his characters were fictional and it wasn’t restricted to anyone to read. In the end when that character puts his mask on is when he becomes the hero. Every kid can put that same mask on and become a hero. The comics were meant to empower people, not to tell them what is right or wrong or what to do. Which phase 4 is just a bunch of propaganda at this point.
After I’m typing all of this tho and watching this video, I kind of can see where Disney is going with this because the society in the US is very toxic so I guess they are just trying to fight it. Millennials might not see it but these movies/shows are meant for gen Z in the end and the next generation…. Just some thoughts
But yes Stan Lee is rolling in his grave right now RIP
When great people leave us, most of the time the greediest take their position, either because they didn't earn the spot, just inherited it, or they plotted against so many competitors that they became evil in the heart.
Rest in peace Stan Lee, I'm glad you didn't see the downfall of your great creation.
@@kingp1n817 I don’t think it’s necessarily like that. He had zero control over MCU besides doing cameos. Marvel was about to be done until Disney saved them. Disney is just trying to do too much and is trying to get more female audience in the theaters with their TV shows. They are doing it with every franchise, from Star Wars and all the other animated movies. In the end, it is to get the kids going to Disneyland parks and that’s where the real money is at (obviously merch too)
@German Henry That's a fair point🤔 Just like Microsoft pushing their new policies to their game companies Disney is doing the same, which infuriates people but they don't care cause they're big companies with a lot of money to waste
Thanks for the revision
If he was still alive this shit won't happened , now they are just trashing
The most stupid part is that most of the female character has no training, nor experience but become BETTER than the male character. They literally strip away the sense of progression hence decreasing the reward that we felt.
isn't that the textbook definition of a mary sue?
This is why moonknight is my fav show. Because it’s earned. Even if the pacing was a little off, he worked through the issues instead of it randomly being solved to defeat the villain. If he didn’t earn what he did, harrow would have won. There was actual consequences.
Well they have to. In order to show growth you need to show a lesser starting point. Any women on screen can’t be shown in any other state than perfect. Because all women are perfect AS THEY ARE you see?
If you think any woman ever is anything other than perfect in any way then YOU are sexist.
So this is the impossible corner these 4th wave feminists woke wrights have painted themselves into.
That is not new or limited to women that is just bad writing, see Shazam.
@@ericarmstrong7906 yo, shazam still has issues and journey to overcame. About how mental age matters, family issues as weakness, a villain with the same power. It's different with she-hulk and her self proclaimed mental stable bcs she face men ( anger problem) infinitely more than hulk. Just stupid agenda to glamorous woke vulture and feminist.
The worst part to me is the fact that, even if it wasn’t their intention, they pretty much diminished Bruce’s trauma. They sent out the message that no matter what you’ve gone through, no matter how much hell you’ve been put through, it’s not as bad as a woman being catcalled or talked down to. Like, “I know you were mutated by a freak accident and pretty much lost your life because the wrong thing would set you off to the point of causing massive amounts of destruction, but have you ever been a woman? It’s sooo much harder”
literally Bruce attempts suicide (which he tells Nat about at one point I believe) and struggles a long time with it. It's an extremely heavy weight on him and adds a LOT to his vulnerability and humanity that we can relate to. Through it he finds out how to keep good relationships and live his life and do good.
similar story with Thor and Tony, lots of colossal failures and hard lessons learned
@@davis8727 He's told everyone actually. Back in Avengers 1 when they were all arguing around the scepter.
@@adoboflakes8473 ah good memory, forgot it was to the group. but yeah he clearly walks through a long a complicated path. especially when for a while he seems happier, then the wanda brain control thing happens and he destroys a city before the hulk buster shows up
Perfect sum up to this jar of shit called She Hulk.
It may not have been their 'intention' to ignore Bruce's trauma, but it certainly wasn't their concern either.
Makes me wonder how much Stan Lee protected his creation from Hollywood. Thank you for voicing this so well.
marvel comics have been woke af for at least 2 decades now. they're now doing it to movies too, but they've been woke af for a long time.
@@SoyGriff they have been “woke” but I don’t criticize intent as much as execution. Phase 4 is going about introducing important topics without properly telling a decent story and it’s why many people dislike it and dismiss it with such hate
I bet he’s rolling in his grave
Not at all really. He was basically little more than a mascot who had little to do with the movies beyond showing up for cameos to my understanding. I think he had some role in some ofnthe TV and movie projects in the 70s and 80s, and he stopped running Marvel Comics some time in the 70s. He may have created a lot of the most popular characters from the 60s, but he didn't own them. They are the property of Marvel Comics/Marvel Entertainment, and now the property of Disney (who recently just erased Marvel Entertainment as a whole from existence amd basically folded everything directly into the larger Disney infrastructure to my understanding).
EXACTLY!!
"A hero isn't strong until you know their weaknesses" - the biggest lesson that every writer, accomplished or not, NEEDS to learn
You are only a hero by what you over come, if you're not on the ground getting the crud kicked out of you, you're not a real hero.
@@senister14 you don't necessarily have to get the spider-man treatment, but you definately need to overcome something, otherwise you're just living another day in the life
This is why female heroes from early alien and terminator franchised were the best ones. They weren't all powerful girls who can do everything, but are just oppressed by the patriarchy. They had real weaknesses and opponent was flat out stronger. They overcame the crisis through bravery and clever thinking.
@@Tespri yeah. Another thing I'm starting to appreciate in Anime. Minus how they draw the girls tho. They have overpowered female characters and they're still hella better than these new M she U
@@Tespri they werent opprresed but i get your point
"The world is run by people with agendas and agendas change" - Steve Rogers. I will forever abide by this timeless statement. And this is what seems to have happened here.
Oh the irony? Or a deliberate dogwhistle? Or a subtle whistleblowing?
disneys agenda is still the same. They just though making shitty woke movies would make them more money because the younger generations today are big on identity politics
This line has outlived the MCU's lifespan.
True
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"When incompetent men explain my own area of expertise to me" She-Hulk said, while incompetently explaining the Hulk's area of expertise to him
The fact that nobody acknowledges the irony in that makes me feel like these writers do it intentionally to get people upset the problem is that after the first few episodes you lose the audience... why do women feel the need to over compensate instead of using the gifts they already have
@@johnnyfive9815 it's arrogance and immaturity. The kind of person that believes this woke nonsense are generally egotists, who think they are fighting a war on par with the civil rights movement. They think they have all the answers, know how to solve everything and believe that their brilliance is just misunderstood, their pain not recognised ect. In short, they are acting like children which is why their stories suck, they can't think in a mature way, so they can't right in a mature way.
@@johnnyfive9815 Because they've been fooled into thinking femininity is pointless and thus are attempting to be men, like how the Moon tries to be the Sun.
It's even worse than that. She's also a terrible attorney as well, according to actual, you know, lawyers. Because the scriptwriters are useless. So here is a woman that is rubbish at everything explaining how incompetent men are telling her how to do her job. Maybe she just thinks they are incompetent and actually they are much better at it than she is, and she is too incompetent to understand.
what's funny about that is that she would had to go to law school in order to become a lawyer so she most likely didn't know shit about being a lawyer while still a student and mostly likely had at least a couple of professors who were men who had to teach her how to be a lawyer
Back then, if a movie fails, we blame the director, but now the directors blame the viewers.
It's just crazy
As a black woman, I'm really glad more people are calling bs to this patronizing crap.
Oh thank goodness 😅 I thought I was the only one…
Sadly besides maybe Bob chapek, nobody ar disney seems to know this, ( and because of this bib chapek has a hard time changing this at disney)
you are not alone sister. i begin to believe that in reality, they are nothing but hacks with nary a bit of writing talent so they rely heavily on the patronisation in the hopes that we are obligated to like it... Its an insult
@@MrAlious i can only recommend midnight's edge, a channel talking about hollywood and especially woke hollywood, like marvel Phase 4
@@chheinrich8486 my man many thanks for the recommendation, a lot of insight in the first few videos iv seen so far
Hulk: asks woman if she can control her anger
SheHulk: proceeds to get mad after being asked a a simple question
Just few moments before attempting to slaughter a group of men, trying to eve tease her..
We have a new champion.
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stop mansplaining
Women do be like that
"You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself long enough to see yourself become a puppet to woke ideology." DAAAAAANG! SO WELL SAID!
It is becoming true, liberal people who helped these people gain their freedoms still had a sense of the values that comes from conservatives and family and religion and much more, so the right was a hero in a sense. Now that they have it, they bash the same people for voicing their opinions, "If you are not supporting us in everything then you are not with us at all", and now right people have become the villains. So they have accepted it and they are treating themselves and these people just like that.
Basically" I have my opinion and I don't care what -ist you call me for these opinions, in your eyes I am already a villain so fuck it"
@yashgoyal8280 Not just that, but they also knew that most conservatives were nice, well meaning people who simply had a different point of view. They knew that the best way to win them over was to work with them and to change their opinions through thoughtful and peaceful discussions, not hateful bashing and petty name calling.
Whew. You butchered that lol
She Hulk is the proof that people writing that crap never had to struggle or worry if they will have something to eat that day... I find it ironic that she cat talk shit to a person who lost everyone he ever loved, was seen as a monster, lost his identity multiple times and was chased like a dog for years...
Jessica gao is the writer and one to blame for it. She said her stupid writing is literally to create drama and make fans go mad cos she loves drama, I don't know how can a horrible person having issues like her can be hired.
@@nanarb4733 Out of pure stupidity combined with an agenda. It is basically the same as how some incompetent workers get to the high positions in a company.. You know some people and say the right stuff and there you are. That being said, I like it when Disney loses money so it is all good, I will just watch something else, I have zero interest in Marvel/ Dc, its basically all the same movie with different colors...
Not a woman so I don’t know all the struggles they face, but yeah it’s (in an oddly specific example) like complaining about stepping in a rain puddle on the street to a person who watched their kid drowned and couldn’t do something about it.
@@Reviewer2016 It honestly has nothing to do with gender, even if it was a dude who wrote the script and dialogue the same would apply. I live in what you can consider as a 3rd world country, I lived through two wars and a series of economic crisis. Basically any problem people talk about on social media is a non issue here, no one cares what you want to identify as, you do you as long as you do not hurt others. Clout chasers are generally ignored... People are far too busy trying to feed their family and pay rent... That is the main reason I mentioned that that person never had any struggles, you do not have time to think about this sort of crap when you are starving... Not to mention that is is as far from reality as you can possibly get, it is a definition of living in the echo chamber.
@@rexrip1080 I figured that’s what you meant I’m just saying it like complaining about inconveniences to a person who lived through trauma inducing events.
Basically, Marvel is a prime example of what happens when you're so focused on lecturing people about identity politics, oppression, you end up only making yourself look condescending and pompous...
Coming from a non comic book guy, fire those writers. Everyone would thank you.
and what's even funnier is that most likely than not, these idiots behind the scenes aren't even remotely "oppressed"
Exactly. Get writers who write good stories about characters from diverse backgrounds and not lectures of political arguments.
This is why rippaverse commics brand new this year made over 3.5 million in comics orders via books and other stuff for it. I plan to order stuff myself but recovering from job loss 3 months ago. Ill be back to par by the end of month. Rippaverse has its own characters woth backgrounds building them up. Im not comic guy but will... buy to help bring back the good things.
Yeah, and it's not like political issues do not belong in stories - Princess Mononoke is about how human beings destroy nature instead of learning how to exist alongside with it, but you don't see Miyazaki saying that humans are inherently evil for doing so. Lady Eboshi is an empathetic, strong leader who wants to see her city grow; she protects women who would've been working for brothels despite not wanting to do so, she encourages her people, and she's overall really competent. But she's still the antagonist because she doesn't see how killing the Shishigami, the spirit that represents the forest, is a terrible thing to do not only to the forest but also to her people. That movie spoke more about this highly specific issue without restorting to "humans bad" far more than Marvel did, and they did it with a far better written girlboss
Dude... all these characters are pretty comic book accurate? Everyone bitching and moaning when Marvel are just following their pre-established and already existing storylines lol. The Avengers arent' set or pre-defined, they change and adapt and evolve. Kate Bishop and America Chavez are in the Young Avengers. She-Hulk is an Avenger. X-Men was ALL about identity politics and oppression - it's the whole purpose of their existence. People talking here like this is all some "focus on x, y or z". No, Marvel are literally just turning their stories from the 80s and 90s into movies and people are so sensitive about it they can't handle it.
So glad you're saying all this. Disney-Marvel can't label you a "toxic male fan."
Nah, bro, it's just internalized mysogyny(tm) at that point
Who cares---it's the truth. Who cares what Disney-Marvel does to smear the person saying it?
@@johnstrawb3521 Because they're controlling the social narrative. They're painting us logical critics who have the ability to think and recognize garbage when we see it, as hateful misogynists and racists instead of owning up to the fact that their woke writing is lazy insertion of identity politics in a space that is supposed to be escapist content from our own reality. This is the problem with modern media. These studios and writers believe it's their mission to preach SJW politics when we just want to see the heroes we grew up with preserved and presented as we always knew them.
"Toxic white male fanboy "
Unfortunately there a toxic and sexist women as well.
She-Hulk downplayed a dude who lost his friends, lost black widow, went through a shit ton of trauma throughout the avengers films (which included being mind controlled to kill hundreds of innocent people against his will), and apparently, according to Bruce in avengers, tried shooting himself only for him to turn into the hulk to spit the bullet out. All to basically say “being catfished is way more traumatic”
Wow
its embarassing as a woman that these movies seem to need to make their female characters so ridiculously overpowered and perfect to make them valuable characters. just write a strong character, WITH FLAWS, that happens to be a woman. it is not that hard
It’s been said that “We like people for their good qualities but we love them for their flaws”. THIS . . . Is why they fail.
Like the original female characters, exactly right
When these moviemakers will realize representation does not make people automatically associate themselves to their work, that will be a great advance.
It's not really the overpowered-Ness.. it's the fact that they're written to be snarky, passive aggressive bitches. Why? It's why noone likes Captain Marvel and why noone likes She Hulk. But you know why people liked Black Widow? She had a dark past but was still still able to show love, care and affection through all that. She was human and she was an exceptionally crucial member of the Avengers for it.
Same with Wanda. Dark/traumatic past, is able to still humanise herself through love and affection and even when she went crazy in Dr. Strange, we are still able to respect how insanely powerful she is because we can also empathise with her.
Captain Marvel? Bitch for no reason. Gets to blow everything up and has no weaknesses. She hulk? Absolute bitch for no reason. She knows how much Bruce has suffered, yet dares to put cat calling (a normal male behaviour when they see an attractive woman) at the same level as controlling your anger such that you won't accidently kill thousands of people.
@@Tommybotham you lost me at cat calling is a normal behavior lol. It's not, and it shouldn't be encouraged but i'd be damned if somebody ever told me it's worse than the shit Bruce went trough.
You hit the nail on the head with Spider-Man. It continued Peter's journey of growing from boy into hero and we have watched this Peter undergo pain, loss, grief, fear, doubt, anxiety, etc. Its why we love him. The other Spider-Men weren't just used as a sales ploy either, it was a genuine story of brotherhood and supporting each other through shared experiences. That's a uniting message.
100% agree the writing was dope af. Even the villains got their own redemption archs. Plus it further established the marvel multiverse. Great writing all around.
Tbh i hate this Spider-Man cuz he is always crying and getting same less on instead of progressing
It’s not just “this” Peter that undergoes character development, but ALL Peters’ managed to grow in the movie, that’s really the magical part of that film
@@MrDead00 He Gay
@@MrDead00idk... maybe cuz this Spiderman is literally a kid who, probably, just started adulthood ._.
As a non-white asian having someone say 'support this project because we did this for you' is some of the most patronizing shit mixed with guilt tripping. You didn't do it for me or my ethnicity, you did it for a paycheck. I'm gonna go watch the Northman & Legend of Vox Machina over and over because one's a great film without checking boxes and the other's a project that actually was made for me
Vox Machina was actually also not made for you. But you were made for it. CR makes it very obvious they are using parasocial methods for fans to fall for them on a personal level
@@squattingheads i don't really care about their methods or their agendas, I wanted to watch a good story about a group of bumbled*cks and I got it without a derivative lecture
& especially when the product is just forgettable at best & propaganda drivel at worst. As a Brown asian, I can see the efforts they took to reach out to that market.
As a Hispanic, same here, funny enough I’m working on stories that have female protagonists but they aren’t perfect, have to deal with challenges and don’t hate on men simply for being men
That's all they know how to do. Patronizing and shame tactics with guilt trip. And sad thing is, I seen people eat that up. They made that for us, we have representation. Because they are just as egotistical as the people that made it. I seen people go online and tell white people don't go see black panther 2 opening weekend as it is not for them.
And that is all it is vain shallow people in position of power thinking they are doing great for a minority they may or may belong to, kicking down who they think are oppressors while telling others this is for you when you didn't in the first place. While people starved for the spotlight and egotistical thank them for doing it. It's pathetic and being treated as normal.
The trama Tony faces through the avengers movies is one of the most powerful character arcs of all time. Tony from the alien invasion to his final heart beat is everything we miss about the infinity saga.
What? Are we doing secret war now? Wasn’t endgame the infinity saga?
As a women, I am embarrassed that some people genuinely think that being a “Girl Boss” is good character writing.
Captain America is not an amazing character because he’s a man, it’s because he was well written and just so happens to be a man.
I wish someone would take hint from the writers of Ripley and write characters - and later, during the casting, settle on whether this character will be male or female. Sure, in many cases, _some_ details will probably need to be adapted, but the actual character will already be there.
As a man I'm embarrassed that most of that people you mentioned are men, men with low self-esteem or had a pretty bad father figure that thinks a bitchy women is the ideal partner with is wierd and childish.
That's why these writers think that in order to be an amazing women you have to be a man(a worst kind of men) witch is misogynistic if you think
Exactly. He's an outstanding person, being morally strong enough to make every right decision, and it doesn't matter or not who he is, and that he's a white man that carries the stars and stripes.
I'm embarrassed about being a woman anymore... the way they narrate us is just pathetic and looking for a pity party anymore. Dude... we gotta earn that shit...
That being said, what about Captain America is well-written so that other characters can be well-written?
I'm so glad that Tony and Steve's characters were retired before phase 4. They were so incredibly written and cared for throughout the whole decade, so it would've been so infuriating if they were emasculated like Thor, Hulk, Loki and a bunch of other characters. Heck I think they decided to keep those three characters only BECAUSE they had gone through so much pain and loss making it easy to emasculate them.
Its sad seeing such a beloved franchise basically turn into the the cardinal sin of the superhero shows, the CW
Especially the point with how much our characters have been through, realistically hulk and Thor are veterans of their field and have been through more than most other heroes, yet it doesn’t feel like they’re portrayed as the most experienced or capable. Like they had entire story development arcs in pts 1 ~ 3
Makes me wonder if they knew what was coming
Me too. Glad that some of these original characters retired. Scarlet Johnson's character was good & I think she phased out before it got out of the hands.
But then, Im sure the new woke characters would call the old characters 'effing boomers' & we can't have the new characters feel oppressed and feeling like vitcims, right? 🤭
@@casebycase_904 Yea, black widow was a good character that should've gotten her chance at a solo movie earlier. Unfortunately when we did get the movie, she was already dead making it a lot less worthwile, and the movie itself was one of the worst, and most emasculating movies of the universe. Its probably even more feminist than Captain Marvel which is saying a lot tbh
@@DeVoidAS ya the black widow character was great. She had such a traumatic past yet she overcame it all and became such a rock and a healer to the group.
I want to either agree or disagree with you about the movie, but I genuinely have forgotten about the movie (I think I saw it sometime last year tho) besides terribly forced Russian accent 🥲 Was it one of those feminist movies or not, I cannot even remember is how I feel about that movie by now. They did her wrong!
It depresses me that phase four did all of that but it also gives me hope that people aren’t just blindly following along with it and people are calling it out
This kind of thing has been getting better as the years go on. She-Hulk making a big deal about it was surprising because it felt like shows and movies had sort of been moving away from that kind of whingey nonsense pandering.
🙏🏾💯exactly
I agree and I'm also thankful for that, however according to the activist everyone that calls it out is a racist... Because clearly no one knows the true meaning of what racist or prejudice really is anymore, it's just an umbrella term used for people to call others that don't align with their views.
That's the thing...people have been calling this out since it began, even before it happened to Marvel. We kept telling them, "We don't like this; fix it." and they've ignored us. They don't care how much money they lose, because the message is more important to them now...
Effectively speaking, if people are only _now_ turning on the MCU, then things are going to _stay bad for a long while._ Keep calling it out of course; but just know that your calls are largely going to go unheard; and if they are heard, they'll just be answered with accusations of racism and sexism.
The only way this _actually stops_ is when the day comes where they release this garbage...to absolutely _zero views._ No one watches it; no one leaves a like or a comment; hell no one even leaves a _dislike._ It gets completely ignored because we're not gonna waste our time...
The problem is, they have too many of their own brainwashed cult or bot accounts to _simulate success._ And any dissent is immediately labeled as Trolling - like how Amazon and Rotten Tomatoes are trying to protect Rings of Power right now.
I can promise you there are, my boss has a baby yoda tattoo but doesn’t like Star Wars. Well except for the sequels of course. And has a captain marvel tattoo, which when I asked her about the movie she said it’s her favorite and doesn’t care what men think of the movie.
I got chills during your conclusion. This is so brilliantly said, showing men only as incompetent and violent idiots will only claim to viewers that men are incapable of being good, well-rounded, and impactful heroes. Giving both genders examples of the good and bad through proper, whole, non-agenda driven writing will be the only way to resuscitate this dying industry and provide good characters to aspire to.
Women in leadership roles in the mcu have a toxic leadership style. A leader should correct and teach. Trust goes both ways. If you don't trust your team it is a reflection of your poor leadership. If you have to tell your subordinates that you are the leader then you are a bad leader.
Not only that but it puts people in a “us or them” kind of mindset. Either you think men are amazing and women should be groveling at their feet, or women are amazing and men should be groveling at their feet. It’s not healthy for either gender, both should be equal to each other
When faced with significant backlash, the fact that producers, scenarists, and directors primarily discern the criticism as stemming from racism, sexism, and homophobia may suggest that these subjects are what chiefly inform their creative decisions. They seem to place a great deal of importance on the need for their heroes to represent female, POC, and LGBTQ+ identities. However, defending their work on these grounds might also suggest a focus on the wrong areas, as it might detract from the quality of storytelling and character development, which the audience also cares about. I can't stress enough that they think that they can just through around labels of "sexist", "racist", 'homophobic", while being the very thing they are claiming to fight against, they are discriminating based on gender, colour of skin, and sexuality, even if it's praising based on those characteristics alone. Even for their target audience it creates an unrelatebale character, the perfect one, inhuman, flawless.
I can believe that villain is a white male, based on their relative freedom of building an empire in the recent past. I can believe that new heroes have such diversity, the world is big and in MCU the whole world is invested in fighting against evil, that is logical. I can believe that 'love' could be the answer to defeat of a villain. But what MCU needs to do is to make it believable. Heck, giving 'Captain Marvel' a pass on that is possible: she is powered by an infinity stone, hence her strength, rivaling that of, Scarlet Witch and Vision, and she was manipulated into believing she isn't the one controlling her power. I can give a pass on one story with bad writing, that makes me think of ways to justify the story, but I have a limit. We have a limit. MCU thinks that putting same Mary Sue behind different characteristics of their gender, sking colour, sexuality.
But the truth is, audience never looks at those qualities alone when it comes to loving a character. The truth is, there's no such big community of racists, sexists and homophobes that could impact the rating of the whole show or movie, because if there were, 'Mulan', 'The Intouchables', 'The Legend of Korra' wouldn't have the rating they have now. The truth is, MCU is trying, and that's now even something they hid in their interviews. They think 'connection' is based solely skin colour, gender identity or sexuality. They skip te fact that Tony Stark, Thor and Captain America didn't need it to be relatable to all, regardless of their origing. The truth is, what MCU has now is the bad writing (Contrary to 'Mulan' for example, story where sexism is present as one of the obstacles protagonist has to overcome, where protagonist is weak, gullible and clumsy at the start instead of being extremely overpowered amd flawless due to standing out based on her sex. She grows, and not alone. She completes journey of becoming stronger with the group, friends, but what makes her stand out is mindset of intelligence > strength. You believe the story much more than what MCU feeds us now).
The truth is, what Marvel was giving us recently is shallow and soulless (with exceptions like 'The Guardians of the Galaxy volume 3', 'Spider-Man: No Way Home' and... well, that's all I could point out). The truth is, 'Marvel' is merely a label to make audience interested in a story nobody would want to be invested in otherwise. The truth is "The Endgame" was trully the end of what MCU was building for a decade now.
But we don't *need* 'characters to aspire to'.
We just need entertainment to have entertaining characters.
I think it's laughable that a woman considers dealing with cat calls better than the person that got hit by gamma rays who had to deal with his condition.
Seriously
She-Hulk really thinks she’s got it worse than Bruce😂
@@BaggageClaim phase 4 is the equivalent of a ripe fruit that's passed its cycle and has begun to rot.
@@GeneralKatarn , I think it's already crawling with maggots and smell to the high heavens, not 'begun to rot'.
@@Counterbalance_ that's actually more accurate
16:55 “Representation…is being used as a threat. As if minorities have to like something simply based on the fact that their culture, religion, ethnicity, or sexual identity is being represented.” THIS. THIS IS THE LINE. It's so ridiculous to hear Sana Amanat basically ask people to support this movie only because "they worked really really hard on it." I can applaud efforts for trying something new, but asking me to blindly fall in line because I'm "represented" is completely spitting on the face of those who've actually worked hard to create GOOD storylines, and not just try and cheat their way to accolades using cheap identity tactics.
Yes, exactly! Just because you worked hard on something doesn't mean people have to like it
Sana Amanat is one of the most privileged, spoiled, narcissistic brats working in the industry today. If she thinks we're supposed to like her stories because she worked hard on it and she's "representing a group", then she's delusional.
This is something that I feel like the tv show LOST did exceptionally well. It had a multi-ethnic cast of characters that all spoke in their native languages and observed their own cultural customs and it never once demanded that you like the show on those grounds. It just represented real people from real parts of the world in a real way, and even incorporated their histories into their stories, but did it without talking down to the audience or making exceptions or offering special treatment for any one group over the other.. The white men in that show were just as compelling as the muslim character or the Korean couple, and visa versa.
@@roberthesser6402 I agree!
@@BaggageClaim the Epitome of Corporate Shame.
As a woman, I love this video. Something felt so off this phase I couldn’t put my finger on it and you explained it perfectly. Its so insulting for both sexes that what they’re doing is saying that men have to be so stupid and useless in order for women to be strong and smart.
Yep. It's insulting to both men and women and any other gender one might identify as.
And She Hulk could have made her points about being irritated in a flippant light hearted way, which people could have understood without being annoyed by. It's the heavy handed sledgehammer approach to gender issues that I dislike so much.
And the women still have fit within the patriarchal standard of beauty by being thin and pretty, or at least be played by women who are. Both Jane and Jennifer are thin compared to actual muscle women. But hey apparently we have 'special' lady muscles that are actually ten times stronger than they actually are!
@@alsmith9853 oh definilty! Her rant should have stopped before comparing herself to Bruce. The cat calling and mansplaining is still acceptable because it does happen and still happen.
I concur. As a woman this whole phase is patronizing and degrading to both sexes.
I'm sorry for Stan Lee, seeing his franchise fall after a great ending of his era
He was a liberal looney tune for his era. He would be convinced that this is all great just like most older leftists are.
@@westonmeyer3110 Then that makes you a fascist looney tune.
@@westonmeyer3110 A liberal looney in the 70s its pretty much a conservative right now…. things are getting pretty twisted
@@n4ko Not fully accurate. Lot of those books that modern loonies take inspiration from were written quite long ago.
Stan lee didn't do squat Jack Kirby did
When a male character is arrogant (Tony, Strange, Thor), he is humbled, stripped of everything, and must undertake a journey and learn how to be a hero and a better person.
When a female character is arrogant (Jen, Carol), she is shown to be perfect as is, and everyone must learn from her while she never grows.
And that is BORING.
EDIT: Wow, thanks for all the likes!
I mean I'm all for female leads but as long as they earn it the hard way like other guys. Bruce had to spend years training to be Batman
A better female role model is animated Mulan. A girl who worked to show she could fight with men equally. As opposed to the modern live-action female trope Disney has.
THIS
Aside from that, strong female charecters never feel authentic. They lack self awareness and are wayy too proud.
Yes. That's the big difference and the creators failed to see that
@@Ojas97 steve to me felt the most humane. He was a kid from Brooklyn that had alot of health issues before becoming the captain. Despite the sudden boost, he still is the same kid from Brooklyn down at his core. Genuine and humble. Struggled alot too.
Same as the other heroes. Thor, tony, bruce. All of them overcame something and became something bigger than Themselves.
Arcane is a perfect example of strong female characters. They have flaws, they get beaten down, they make mistakes. And Arcane doesn't put the men down or make them stupid just so the women can be seen as powerful.
Agreed
Good example! And like all good examples, it starts with a good writer just trying to tell a good story. If a few years from now, we found out these superhero movies were actually written by an AI, how surprised would you be? ;)
Daenerys
The answer is simple. Stop hiring any woman with a college degree.
Only hire working class broads.
good person
Imagine if this phase had actually been about grief and consequences. That would have been really powerful and meaningful. But it just wasn’t actually about that.
Yup and especially now with recent events around the world more people could relate to grief, many storytelling opportunities were lost to the idea of being “woke”
what is being "woke'? They made a show that followed the comics. Read the comics. Its a fun break the fourth wall comedy about a super hero/lawyer that sleeps around. 30 min streaming tv and ppl talk like they were going for a Best Picture Award winning Oscar.
@@nuxkamina Disingenuous people who play dumb like you are everything wrong with the audiences of these movies today.
@@tumulovermelho93 you blame the audience for enjoying light hearted comedies similar to the comic they grew up reading?
@nuxkamina4728 Anyone I've talked to who was a fan of the comics is very much not a fan of the show - though I'll admit media is subjective, and some who loved the comic do enjoy the show, that is certainly not the majority
Imagine the Avengers trying to give Thanos a heartwarming speech about love and peace
It’s like when a writer tries to make a character seem smart, but is limited by the writer’s own intelligence, they can only dumb down the characters around the smart one.
Same thing happened here. They can’t write a good female character. So they have to write bad male characters to show you how good the females are. The result is a contest of badness. Male and female racing to the bottom
Well said! And all the woman characters are in essence carbon copies of each other, or they turn out that way in the end. They might have diversity in skin tone, but they sure don't have diversity of character
Feels like the writers of Marvel took Thomas Astruc and Miraculous Ladybug's writing too seriously
That’s not true about not being able to write decent female characters though. There ARE some in the MCU like black widow (aside from her movie) and Gomorrah. But it’s true their writing is awful for she hulk and some other female characters like captain marvel.
@@flataffect Yep, thing is…Black Widow and Gomorrah are 1) Both from previous phases, and 2) A very clear minority of the total female heroes featured in the MCU. This video is pointing out how Phase 4 is continuously pushing this flawed idea of making an average female character overpowered without effort and using said empowerment to bash on males around them to make them seem great. It’s getting super old and it’s clearly not working.
I don't understand why they've gotta portray women in masculine roles to empower them. Where has feminism gone? Oh, to the dudes
"We have to stop telling men that there is no difference between competence and misogyny."
Well said. Thank you!
This resonates so much
As sad and heartbroken as I was when Tony died, I’m now glad he did. Because he won’t have to suffer the humiliation that Thor & Hulk & Hawkeye are going through right now. But I’m pretty sure his daughter or whatever chick is going to suit up as the next Ironman will already know what took him years to learn & will be superior to him 🤮
Yaaay... Good writing...
Just wait for IronHeart
With RiRi that makes Doom look like a good guy
@@Hanmacx GOT will definitely be like this too
Endgame Steve : yea fuck this woke shit..im going back to the good ol'days
Women who can see through the trickery. A hopeful sight.
It always made me laugh when She-Hulk womansplains how much better she is at controlling her anger whilst getting super angry
"I've been riddled with gamma rays, run from the authorities for most of my life, shot myself in the mouth and forced to live through it, and suffer with the worst case of split personality disorder and severe depression" -hulk
"I'm being whistled at" -she hulk
Banner was also abused by his father - that's how he developed DID
@@minnie2352 is this movie canon? I dont remember this in hulk movies
@@ajinasawor Ah, it's from the comics. He does have the Hulk personality tho, which implies DID, which implies childhood trauma.
don't forget "my colleague who I had a romantic attraction to is dead" for the hulk
@@miq1533 You mean the first Hulk movie female lead? How did she die?
"This is too easy" - perfect!
This was my biggest issue with Ray in Star Wars. After Luke learns to be a Jedi across 3 movies, and Anakin is a Padawan for 10 years and a Sith Lord for 20 more, Ray literally gains her powers in the blink of an eye.
In She-Hulk, we learn that women have to control their anger. No mention that angry men are also not received well, especially if they threaten violence at the first opportunity.
Rey also beats a sith, or lifelong warrior, the first time she ever saw a light saber? In fact, I don't think she ever loses a fight with anyone in any movie and she controls the force better than anyone within minutes of hearing about it.
I think ray is worse cause atleast with she hulk it shows that hulk is still stronger and she doesn’t beat hulk at everything in training.
Hulk took out shehulk with one thunderclap it took like 5 claps from shehulk to put hulk down. And hulk chucked a boulder into the atmosphere she couldn’t even do that
I hate she-hulk. Her premise could have been so much better about fighting the bad behavior from her innate self (her profuse partying, alcoholism, real problems even for high class people like her). Instead we got a whiny character that thinks getting cat-called is the most infuriating it can get. Very frustrating.
Look up Mary Sue trope. There is a picture of Rey.
She wasn't even controlling her anger in the scene when she was lecturing Bruce. The sort of "anger control" she's talking about is taking the anger and shoving it deep down. But when you're the hulk, you don't shove it deep down. You just become the Hulk.
I think my issue is that the writers, instead of taking ownership of the fact that there weren’t many diverse stars in the first few phases, decided to write the newly diverse characters in a way that made the *audience* feel guilty for cheering on non-diverse characters to begin with. There’s an undercurrent of shame in almost every new episode. It’s why the new shows are so hard to watch, there’s no growth, no pushing boundaries, no truly humble and heroic characters. It’s just “here’s a woman who’s already perfect just because she’s a woman, she doesn’t have to work on anything, you’re welcome”. I can’t even bear to watch the trailers. The only movie lately (I know it’s not marvel, I just mean as a good example of solid writing to compare) that made me feel empowered as a woman was The Batman. Catwoman was badass, because she had growth
Isn't Batman a DC thing...
But isnt that just their characters in the comics? Would u like it if they change the character?
@@Draco_379-t6g source material isnt always good, comic are full of shitty characters, stories and decisions, especially the new comics, which this bad characters are mostly inspired from, like america chavez, ironhearth and so on...
but not she hulk tho, the 80s comics of she hulk are awesome, they are not femminist crap, when they are good like she hulk they still make them worse, so they dont care about the comics especially now, because agenda
feel guilty!!!! I dont feel shit, I had a lot of fun with the first movies and didn't care about a race or gender because this thing mean nothing to me cause I am here to have Fun and not to get lecture.
@@QUBIQUBED yeah, I was saying that’s the only movie I’ve seen that has a solid female character arch lately. Not saying it’s marvel just a movie
Jenn telling Bruce that she's 𝒊𝒏𝒇𝒊𝒏𝒊𝒕𝒆𝒍𝒚 better at controlling her anger than him is just 𝒊𝒏𝒔𝒖𝒍𝒕𝒊𝒏𝒈𝒍𝒚 stupid! Do the writers know 𝒏𝒐𝒕𝒉𝒊𝒏𝒈 of what Bruce has gone through?!
Well it would be fine if they made a point of how stupid she was being and used it as an oppurtunity for her to learn something.
But you know.....no.
Totally off topic, but how did you change the font?
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@@BeardedKenyanwhy would they according to their agenda a woman has nothing to learn and is born perfect. Men teaching women important things is mansplaining now
@@sarahouillette1357 a custom keyboard for your phone
A woman here. As soon as I got a taste of Phase 4, I went running back to rewatch Captain America: The Winter Soldier to properly mourn the death of the MCU.
Thankfully they haven't gotten to the guardians yet
@@neurosity5285the new guardians is actually really good and in my option the second best guardians movie and this is the last guardians movie so guardians is safe
@@peeperleviathan2839 yeah I really really liked it. (I cried lol)
@@neurosity5285 my brain kept replaying the scene where Lyla got shot for days after watching after watching it. I wish all marvel movies could have this emotional impact
@@peeperleviathan2839 ikr, I went and saw it with my family and my dad (who is a very “I can't show weakness” kinda guy) started tearing up.
I thought the utter disrespect they'd shown Thor by relegating him and his tragic life into a joke could not be topped, but I guess the writers at She-Hulk took that as a challenge.
I don't even like Ruffalo's Hulk and they still managed to piss me off with the way they're treating him.
The last good Marvel movie was definitely Spider-Man No Way Home. I refuse to watch She-Hulk now because of the crap they were shoving down our throats from the first episode. Baggage Claim didn't mention it but She-Hulk basically erased all the years of torture and near suicide Hulk had to endure because she gets "Catcalled" or "mansplained". If this isn't toxic femininity I don't know what is. This video just made it evident of Marvel's Misandrist purpose and goal.
@@Juraikken I pretty much noped out of the MCU after Endgame. While by no means perfect, it was a decent capstone on the MCU. What's more, the cracks were already beginning to show by the end of phase 3 and the prospects for phase 4 looked utterly grim.
And yes, that was exactly the scene I was referring to. The show completely validates Jen whining about her first world problems to a man who was hunted by authorities for over a decade. A man so desperate to end his curse he tried to kill himself, but couldn't due to the very monster he was trying to escape.
But oh boy, that catcalling! Those darn mansplainers!
@@Juraikken it wasnt near suicide, it was fully attempted and only failed cause hulk said no.
bruce wasnt even allowed to end his suffering, yet another thing hulk took.
@@AliRadicali so you made your opinion on she hulk and Thor based on other people's biased views? What a stupid thing to do.
@@theoryofeverything9421 If I can identify a turd by sight and smell, why would I taste it?
I've seen enough of this... content to know it's trash and I'd rather not further expose myself to garbage sequels lest they taint what good memories and associations I have with the earlier movies.
For months, I searched for the perfect video that perfectly explains why the MCU is falling apart because of Phase 4. There were plenty of good ones, but they lacked a few things that I thought were necessary to explain.
Today I'm happy to say that I finally found that perfect video. You explained literally *EVERYTHING* that needed to be said and I love it so much. From the bait & switch, to Marvel disrespecting their established characters, to "Women good, Men bad" and many other things.
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Nailed it
It honestly makes me sad to know that we probably won’t have anything like marvel phase 3 again… it truly was the pinnacle of marvel.
Fr, I don’t even look forward to their movies anymore. But one I was intrigued by (cause he’s my favorite) is Loki season two. What did you think about it?
We went from Bruce being unable to commit suicide in the first Avengers to Jennifer womansplaining about being catcalled or being called emotional in She Hulk. In the words of the great Nerdrotic, we are in peak M She-U phase bore
Yup! That scene where bruce talks about how low he got is incredible. You can feel the tension in the room. So well done
I fear down the line we’ll be full force into The M-She-U & The D-She-EU
@@DougieYT seeing as how Batgirl got cancelled to protect the DC brand or whatever David Zaslav said I'm actually very hopeful for the future. I can feel the winds of change a-blowing
@@BaggageClaim That's what annoys me so about the she-hulk character; she is not humble and is very disrespectful to her cousin and the things hes gone through and continues going through which are far more serious and grievous then any cat calls she ever endured!💯😁😉👍
@@BaggageClaim you know twords the end of the episode where she's just going off about how bad his life was after he became a hulk and that he had no friends or family and all that....I'm just thinking " wow....everything you just said was wrong"
First off you are his family so good job on recognizing that
He was friends with the avengers and we have seen him hang out with people plenty of times after he became the hulk
The only time he really started to go into isolation was after avengers 2 and even then he just went right back to being a part of a team and even pretty quickly managed to over come his hulk problem and was no longer a threat so no overall Bruce banner has had it rough but not to the point where there was nothing left to live for.
It was hard but he always had the support of his friends who happily best the sh*t out of the hulk for him
* Sniff* and I know my friends would beat the shit out of me too if I asked them 🤣😂😅
It's such a delight listening to a woman, real woman talking like this.
These weirdos don't even understand what they have in hands, and do what they do better, ruin established characters in order to lecture us "what we should do to make the world a more inclusive place", but in doing so, they are losing the real fans.
Thank you kindly for sharing your articulated words.
Yes, though they do not even convey a good lecture. They tell us a half-assed message each time about how they THINK we should act, completely ignoring that they´re in their own little disconnected bubble of society and have no idea what real individualism is. I do not like the word "inclusion" when it comes to certain minorities or heritages simply because it hints at them not being included usually, at them being not a part of what "normal" is.
I for one do not include people, I pick the right person for the right job. And everyone has a place everywhere, you just need to look.
Makes me curious as to if it's not a male writer. Stumbled across a channel that had a female voice a male channel but was advocating for men's rights. She pointed it out in almost a way to insinuate they don't necessarily reflect what she feels. And I think the lesson can be applied nicely here, some people just read from a script.
"As strong women, don't we want competent men?" There is the crux of it. Well said.
The attack on masculinity is bought and paid for by ideologues and bad acters.
Well... *points at reality*. Yeah, wanting is not getting. And in the end Marvel Comics very much tried to be a fictionalized mirror of reality. So does the MCU at many points.
@@Xirtamani Are you implying that there are no competent men?
@@ryanmartin4602 --Well....so many men are struggling with lust and impurity.....not just fornication but the pr0n problem too. A man can't commit and lead a family if he has no loyalty and virtue. No respect for another human being, and no respect for his future wife, and no respect for himself. If competent men are there (which they are) there are FAR less compared to my dad and mom's generation. And are harder to find.
@@ryanmartin4602 No. Just that there is a lack of them. There are in general too many incompetent people, no matter the gender though. But I'd say when you look at women and men and especially in the field of interaction between them... Men have way more incompetent people there. And eh, every woman who is a bit bigger on the Internet (even if not in any erotic business or so) can tell you a dozen stories and the same goes for women who are/were using dating apps about such men. Can't say the same for men, or at least not in this quantity and quality.
The most ironic thing is that the best and the most successful movie BY FAR from phase 4 was technically not even filmed by Marvel. That says it all, in my opinion.
I have been too busy to watch most of phase 4 stuff. Which movie are you talking about? Last one I watched was guardians vol3
@swan_909 Spider-Man: Far From Home, of course. Also, Guardians Vol.3 is phase 5.
@@asmodeusml oh ya. I totally forgot I watched that one too. Didn't realize guardians was phase 5. Loved it. It was so awesome
@swan_909 and of course, I meant No Way Home, not Far From Home. And yeah, Guardians Vol.3 is very good.
@@asmodeusml totally agree. No way home has a special place for me coz I got to see Tobey again and that too with Andrew and Tom. That was such a fun reunion and it went so well with the story. Frankly I like all 3 of them coz none of them are completely bad.
The saddest thing is that this phase had an amazing potential . All the new characters and stories Could have been so much better and fun if they focused on writing rather than pushing agenda only
I know, right? Half the universe was literally obliterated for 5 years. What do we get? A genocidal maniac-themed ice-cream shop.
@@felixmuraguri8379 ...what? Have I missed something serious because that ice cream shop bit sounds too ridiculous to be true.
They aren’t pushing an agenda y’all are only seeing it that way
@@smokedsanjl for real like. what is the mcu supposed to do after half the universe is obliterated. there's going to be new stuff. people are just mad the original cast is gone.
All stories push an agenda or have an agenda behind them, that is not bad itself. The real problem here is that they are not writing good characters and stories.
Someone tell the writers of She-Hulk that being catcalled in the street or condescended by people you work with is *not comparable* to Bruce witnessing his father abuse his mother as a child, getting hit with a supposedly lethal dose of radiation, developing a superpowered alter ego he had no control over, being hunted by his own government for years because of said alter ego, and becoming depressed to the point of suicide only to realise this alter ego wouldn't even let him die. Bruce had no choice but to bring the Hulk to heel, because every day he didn't was literally driving him insane.
its almost like jen is a human who said something that was not factually true but what is she felt. maybe i watched a different show but can you pinpoint the moment in which the show validates jen's viewpoint only. why would the show induce a one side argument into the show each character has a point. Hulk basically said forget your friends and family, your job and bills, and relationships! abandon them all and live in exile cuz that's what superhero's do, not realizing that he did that only because he had too, i would have not said that to my fam but i would be mad that you bascailly ruined my life and then try to control where it goes
@@nebula1123 Because the MCU is loaded with Hulks that- oh wait, it's only him and now her. In the entire episode she did nothing that made her come off as having a single redeeming quality either, which is why people are not as willing to give her a chance.
@@nebula1123 I would agree with you if it was real life and not a scripted show (people say dumb things all the time or at least things they really believe). But as a show we have seen how the writer and actors think and their opinions on interviews, with that context its obvious that's the factual truth for them an use the show as a vehicle for their agenda.
She never compared their trauma she only compared their anger management. So many people missed the point of that scene.
@@VerryJerry90 I half agree. I agree in that she didn't compare trauma but anger management and proved herself wrong when she turned into hulk right after she said it. A lot of people either ignore that scene or didn't watch since they only watch clips of her ranting.
But I disagree in that she did compare and that shouldn't have been done so as to make her character more likeable. She could have just said "oh, anger management. It's not like I never done it before. In fact I do it all the time!" and stop before she said "I do it better than you,"
But nope, she didn't and kept going and it shows that what she truly is; someone that, while rightfully being looked down by men, instead of ignoring it and becoming better, she decided to do the same thing as they did and look down on men as well.
It's honestly mind boggling to me how there isn't more of an uproar surrounding a lot of these projects. The way I see it, Marvel is essentially telling us that the only thing interesting about some of these characters is their sexual preference and/or skin color, and that female characters can only be strong when all the male characters are weakened.
What they care about is what agenda is going to fill their pockets more
Marvel & The DisneyCU lost its soul a long time ago, honestly seeing the stuff they’ve been putting out since 2019 is nauseating.
@@barbararab6390 Ironically, thats why they are falling
why would anyone take this shit that seriously, If you don't like what Marvel studios are doing... don't watch their stuff. All the crazy shit happening in the world and your crying about movies.
@@barbararab6390 exactly disney is a corporation with one agenda... make as much money as they can.
God bless you, this is what I’ve been trying to put into words for months. You got the it just right. I hate this phase. Toxic femininity is a thing people and it’s not cool for women to act like the men they hate🔊🔊🔊
You give women a chance to prove they are not incapable, and they prove they are incapable.
Not only is it uncool, but it only empowers the men who already hate women.
""Either you die a hero or live long enough to become a puppet of woke culture"" - bruh, so true
Disney is just lazy about it. There are strong female characters you would consider woke but are actually really good.
@@soulhunter59 what do you consider woke? a strong female that has earned her position and worked for it? even if the work is not on camera it described and shown in other ways.
Nah to me a woke strong female character, is just the most fantastic important person in the entire story with little to no flaws and the bare minimum of back story explaining why and how they are who and where they are.
And I can't really see a scenario where that will ever be considered a good charater quality wise by most of the critically thinking audience
Nah, that's not the problem. The problem is Marvel likes to seem woke, but they do as little as they can in that sense.
For example, they couldn't replace Chadwick after his passing because they 'really care for a black artist's work', but they didn't give 2 fucks when Chadwick complained about the lack of representation behind the scenes in every Marvel movie he has worked except for Black Panther.
The way Marvel can't go deep about the struggles of minorities is the biggest proof of that. Not to mention the "hey, look at my LGBT character no one knows is a LGBT character! We'll censor them in the Middle East, but don't look at! We'll get you a glittery rainbow flag"
@@ProfessorGunk being constantly hateful to men and white people is pathetic. People are sick of it. It's simple.
Wanting to be on top (because that's what it is) by hating others makes people cringe...
Problem is right wing, main stream media, idiots on the internet and corporations destroying the meaning of woke lol. It just means you acknowledge unfairness and injustice towards some groups in society. Like you aren't asleep to their issues, your woke to them. Taking it further than that is something else. Same as feminism.
Some women definitely have anger issues, so Bruce is perfectly reasonable in asking her if she can control her anger. He of all people knows the horrific consequences of not controlling your emotions as the hulk. But no, she took it personally because she thinks he’s being sexist bc everything has to be about her 🙄
Edit: not just women, but men too. The reason I emphasized women was because she saw it as a sexist attack when it really wasnt
It's not even a woman thing. He just wants to know because if ANYONE with her powers man or woman had them and couldn't control it then the end result could be catastrophic. It's a legitimate question regardless of gender. To then say what she said to a man that lost years of his life fleeing from a government that turned him into a monster in the first place and then had to not only do it again after he saved there asses after they did the experiment AGAIN he also was forced to say goodbye to the woman he loved too. It's like the writers forgot The Incredible Hulk is canon. Even if the actor is different the events that happened in that film were still part of the life of the character we see on screen now
@@SuperAnimeking100 facts
Some??
And got she gets angry while proceeding to belittle the trauma he's been through and comparing that to how traumatic it is for men acknowledging her on the street that she's good looking.
@@kpetro1675 cat-calling is sexual harassment, I also think that she-hulk is being an asshole to hulk but cat-calling ain't right
"I didn't really get the Eternals, looks cool though..." the most universal sentiment on the movie. Bravo
They should have introduced them individually - or say two at a time - with their backstories and character developments BEFORE making "the Eternals", would have worked way better than just throwing an ensemble movie at us when we know literally none of the characters.
Many viewers have never read a Marvel comic in their lives but were intrigued by (and loved) the movies of phases 1-3. And then Disney comes along and shoves an ensamble movie in their faces with a dozen or so more or less important characters, whom those viewers never heard about, were never even hinted at. How was this ever supposed to work out?
@@dorderre You realize you are also describing Guardians of the Galaxy right? The premiss was fine, the execution sucked.
To be honest, The Eternals were never very interesting
@@MrZPal2099 a couple were interesting, they just opened and focused on the 3 blandest.
I liked the one who went bollywood, and his assistant, but the others were bland or underdeveloped.
GotG they all can into the story quickly (except drax), and were all fully fleshed out. But there were also less characters to develop.
I think it always looked like a giant bag of toss tbph
Tony’s sense of humour and sarcasm is *criminally underrated*
The main problem with why these female characters come across so badly is because the writers think that you have to be physically strong to be a 'strong' person. You can be weak, you can be emotional, you can fail and have flaws, and you can be a strong woman all at the same time. Women are human, so when you take away the human experience from your main character in order to make them seem strong, you're making them unrelatable.
The funny thing is that they think we as the audience don't see this (especially females) it's very patronizing. As a woman, I cannot relate to any of the female heroes they have, nothing about them or their "journey" is relatable, and everything feels forced and unnatural. And I will not watch something simply because it's a female lead or my skin color is represented. we need good stories again not this nonsense. The death of cinema this is what we are seeing right now, its not only happening in the MCU but also in other movies.
Absolutely love your video essays, so spot on.
none of the female characters struggle or grow they are all strong straight out of the box. and for some reason they are better than their male counterparts regardless of experience. this has also seeped into the she hulk series. she hulk is stronger than hulk already, smarter and faster. now hulk has 7 phds. how is she smarter than him?
@@PeterOgbodu most of the women do have struggle. and since you obviously believe that women cant be stronger than men: she hulk is not stronger than the hulk…give it time 🤦♀️
@@zulramikaelson5492 I dont mean women cant be stronger than men but the source material says otherwise.
@@PeterOgbodu bro don’t even argue this shit your all good 💀 👍
@@zulramikaelson5492 there’s no giving it time. In ANY iteration she hulk would be stronger then the hulk (where there is literally fucking none naturally) they had to WEAKEN hulk. There’s a difference between being stronger, and making a REALLY POWERFUL character, weaker.
Notice how Spider-Man No Way Home was also significantly different from every other film in Phase 4, because it is a very explicit depiction of the hardships that Peter Parker has to go through, in order to become a true Spider-Man. The whole film is basically proving to us all that this version of Spider-Man is really worthy of being Spider-Man, alongside the older versions, BECAUSE of the pain and suffering he is willing to endure and overcome.
In every other Phase 4 work, the new female characters come out perfect and untouchable--making them unrelatable and unworthy.
YES. Exactly. No Way Home, had basically zero propaganda and woke garbage. It focused on a good compelling story. There was no new spider-woman who will take on his role or anything, there was just the real Peter parkers story, only just starting. The MCu Peter Parker's story is just getting started(I hope).
That's because nobody cares about the suffering of men and what we go through every day because we don't publicize it and it's also not championed by social media. Peter Parker's character is the personification of men that do the right thing but are rarely rewarded for it.
@@joshuaedwards4927 Sry but where did he remotely did the right thing in the newest movie?
He wanted to alter the Universe because he didn't want to face the consequences. He messes with the spell and was responsible for all these super villains attacking New York and then refused to listen to the wizard who safed his ass and traps him in hos own dimension. And because of that his aunt died.
I like the ending because he has to be responsible for the shit he was doing in the majority of the movie. But until that moment were was he doing the right thing?
Or do you meant Peter Parker in general and not in the latest movie?
Sony does not play like that
@@Isabelle-hv6ny
How did he do the right thing ?
1) Tried to help his friends get into College
2) Tried to save bad guys from being sent to their deaths in their universes
3) sacrificed everybody he knew and loved at the end to save the world
One of the things I love about people's mentality with Falcon & the Winter Soldier's race issues along with other shows like Law & Order when they tackle race is that they say things are more complicated than just black and white when the mentality they use is the most black and white thinking I've ever seen anywhere. It's like you said, white men bad, women, even if bad, good.
Yes yes yes. I think Falcon and the Winter Soldier did social commentary the best out of phase 4. It was a core part of the show, but it felt “deeper”. The rest, to me, feels really patronizing and insincere.
@@m1nouz384 Is that a joke? Falcon and the Winter Soldier's commentary was "You got to do better Senator!" And some weird thing about terrorists being misunderstood heros and actual heroic patriots (ahem, John Walker) being evil "colonizers." Except if you're a black woman from Wakanda, then you're above every international law
@@sivad1025This and the fact that they literally made Bucky apologize for getting mad at Sam for giving away the shield. The shield that his BEST FRIEND SINCE CHILDHOOD carried into the worst war in history. Also, Bucky knows more about being enslaved than Sam ever will, yet he’s treated like an “uneducated white man.”
It’s pisses me off because I really love both characters and I was excited for the show when it came out. Only for Sam and Bucky to be out of character for the entire duration.
@@ohapplesauceYeah, that "show" did Bucky especially badly.
"not tell you you're amazing because you're a minority" 100% this. As a woman, I don't need anyone pandering to me and saying all women are perfect. Let's base the greatness of any person/character off their actions not their checked box. Additionally, as a society we always swing wildly between sides of a pendulum vs. finding things in the middle.
Right, a person/character should be defined by their unique traits and personality, not by who’s the superior gender.
Hate to break it to you, but woman are the majority gender in the USA. You’re not a minority.
@@DougieYT I feel like some famous person once had a speech about this type of stuff... ahh, what am I talking about
@@r0bw1l73 ok. My point and feeling of not wanting to be pandered to still stands. 👍👍
@@draykohunter6805 Nah, your good dude, everything we’ve been saying is relevant
I've been telling my friends about this "pattern" since the very start of Phase Four, and some of them just couldn't see it. It really makes me happy to know that more and more people are starting to realize the blatantly sexist and racist mentalities brought into these shows/films, and it makes me even happier to see a *woman* speaking out about it too. You've definitely earned yourself a subscriber! ✅️
I tried talking about it with friends but they say I’m sexist
@@ezramantini8078 bc people are so much brainwashed
What pattern? Kang, your big bad, your thanos level bad is black. Renslayer was also a minor villain in Loki, also a poc and a woman. Drejkov and Kingpin were always white males. I don't see how they are relevant, especially Kingpin since he is the original cast from DareDevil.
Karli was obviously a terrorist and a villain, the fact that her cause was sympathetic does not mean she was a hero. Another villain was the PowerBroker which surprise surprise is Sharon Carter, a woman.
In WandaVision, there are 3 villains, Agatha a woman, Hayward (white male) and yes, Wanda. Again, just because you sympathize with her does not make her a hero in this story arc.
In MoM, Wanda IS the main villain (imo it made no sense because of her arc in WandaVision, but the point still stands that she was the main atagonist).
In Loki, the show is absolutely about Loki. People keep forgetting that it's Loke right after the events of New York. He is the same guy we all laughed at when Hulk went Hulk on his ass and called him a Puny God. Recency bias is a thing and it's showing. The fact that the series focuses on how his interactions with Mobius, Sylvie and the other Lokis and how they are the driving force for him to understand his "Glorious Purpose" is undeniable truth that Loki is the main hero. Sylvie remains flat and in the end her motives and drive remain the same "kill the one responsible for her fate".
The OP does not even understand Cersi's powers which were very clearly shown at some point. She can turn matter into something else and the only reason she was strong enough to turn a budding Celestial into marble was because she connected to the other remaining Eternals to give her the strength, so it was a collective effort not one OP character.
Cherry Picking your points and conveniently leaving out important parts of the story to fit your narrative is disingenuous at best. There is no patter. The only pattern there is is that they are increasingly introducing their female characters because Perlmutter was forcing them not to for 10 straight years. 10 years with 0 female leads and just Black Widow, Wanda and Gamora primarily. Only in the very end they introduced The Wasp and Cpt Marvel, after Perlmutter was gone.
@@nabooxodonosoras8022 Okay.
@@nabooxodonosoras8022the thing is you don't need to change the race or the gender of a loved character everytime, why it is so necessary to have more female or diverse characters if you're gonna put in them the personality of a wood stick, there's no need, there's no justification, it's just an dumb agenda from people who were feed up with cheap Marxist ideology from the 70's it's like even black and gay people have noticed, a women is telling you, but I assume you're ok with those kind of ideas. you may think it's ok but I have flash news pal the whole world it's not California 🤣 we don't think that shit is worth it SORRY 😔
Ryan Long said it best: the female hero's journey is that she was always perfect it was just the world that had to acknowledge it.
What pisses me off about that She-Hulk scene specifically is that she clearly has no idea what Bruce has gone through. Let me list everything off:
-Abusive father
-Father murdered mother
-Worked in extremely toxic environment where his gf's dad was his boss and also a massive prick
-Gets blasted by an expirimental bomb that ruins his life
-Becomes a fugitive for 10+ years, forcing him to abandon the love of his life
-Attempts suicide and fails because the Hulk won't let him die
-A woman he loved dies and even with the Infinity Gauntlet he can't bring her back
But yeah getting cat-called is sooo much worse.
Hands down the best commentary on Marvel phase 4 I have heard to date. I miss when movies provided us with great stories instead of forcing agendas down everyone’s throats. Thanks for your great content.
@mainstreamtube Yep, these "writers" are being told what to push.
Yeah most commentators just kinda insult Marvel Phase 4 and don't get to the point but this video got to the point perfectly
And it was done by a woman . It’s a beautiful video
@@scratchpenny They seem proud of this garbage.. and use racism when we HATE THE CRAP! They are delusional!
The BEST VIDEO YET! I am a woman and I ABSOLUTELY HATE THE WOMEN CRAP…. HATE IT.. because I am not a pathetic delusional person who NEEDS TO SEE WOMEN DESTROY MY FAVOURITE MARVEL HEROES AND I LIKE MEN! This makes me sick to my stomach because now women and different races are being TREATED LIKE CHILDREN AND SPOON FED STUFF JUST TO SHUT THE CRYING AND WHINGING UP and RUINING MARVEL!
Anyone else getting mad at these studios, knowing how many amazing stories there are out there which don't get approved, and these pieces or garbage do.
Can feel you brother 🥲
happens everywhere in every other industry, believe me
I’ve recently read The God Butcher Omnibus. Gorr is such a nuanced character, who ultimately becomes the thing he hates the most. He’s a Thanos level villain in terms of his motivations and what he wants to achieve.
The MCU reduced him to an almost nothing character with very little screen time. He also only kills one god, whereas in the source material he kills thousands. I would love to see a Marvel movie that did Gorr properly. But it would require an 18 Certificate, and I can’t see Disney going in for that.
That ending monolog you did honestly almost had me in tears. It's RARE to hear women these days talk men up and thanks to popular media these days promoting misandry, it was something I really needed to hear. YOu have not said it, but phase 4 and modern films are just sexist. I mean, if the Transformers films are called sexist for showing Megan Fox's ass, than these films promoting hate against men sure as hell are as well.
I'm trying to pin down what music she is using in that part. Any idea what it is?
Yup love and Thunder had nude thor.. hmm you can do good man or women eye candy characters as long they human with great stories. What’s wrong with this wrong woke they care way too much on the hot bodies but not their hearts, smarts or soul.
I almost teared up and I’m a woman!
There are more and more women critics on UA-cam coming out about how terrible these characters are being written.
Finally, women who aren't gaslighting other women into believing they have some sort of evil internalized misogyny because they dared to find some faults in a female character. 🙃
Satan gave me a tacooo
& It made me really sick
The be chicken was all raw
& The grease was mighty thick
The rice was all rancid
& The beans were so hard
I was getting kinda dizzy
Eating all the lard
Naw come, on we know if Satan gave you a taco it would blow your mind.
I’m so happy you’re bring this up. I’m so tired of all this woke garbage and I’m happy someone’s sharing the truth. This wokeness has gotten so bad that me, a straight white male, can no longer have my own opinions about anything because I have “white privilege” or I’m spreading “toxic masculinity”. It’s a shame that Marvel, one of my favourite movie franchises, has gone down this path. Thank you for making this
Dont worry bud, the only marvel movies we remember will be the ones stan lee wrote, not this fucking garbage
How did they not see the irony of that she hulk "I deal with Infinitely more than you, Bruce" scene... Her big gripes are cat calls, and then the most minor irritations that most of us deal with on a daily basis, to a guy who's had people he loves die, who's been locked out of his own body for over 2 years, who's tried to kill himself over the remorse of losing control of his emotions and killing innocent bystanders... and she loses control of her emotions just talking about how much better she is at controlling them 🤣
Bah, this is why MCU ended with end game for me (Except spiderman i guess), wasting money on these crap is not worth it.
@@Zero-Dux Yes, Spider-Man is basically the only loose thread that there was left.
Sad.
@@Zero-Dux I think the Eternals was the last straw. That movie was hot garbage
And the way they had Bruce looking chastised and humble, like, "yes, you're right. Such excellent points and examples. I should have known better than to have even suggested you may need help and guidance. Thank you for reminding me of how little I know... I can really feel your pain... You clearly have a better handle on all of this from being a hulk for all of 2 hours than I ever hope to after over a DECADE. Gosh girl, you're so naturally superior. What was I thinking?" BLURGH! I hated that scene.
First 3 phases did have mainly men, but the few women who were in it were perfectly capable too, the men didn’t spend their time telling them how useless they were.
Phase 4 is all about the women just telling the men how rubbish they are.
It doesn’t paint women in a good light as it tells men “when women get the chance, all they want to do is tell you you’re rubbish and we don’t need you”.
Not sure that’s a great message for societal cohesion.
Men never tell women how useless they are, even if they were what possible good would come from expressing it. Women always tells men (as a collective, not necessarily as individuals) that they are useless, both in fiction and in reality. Of course nothing good will come from that either but unfortunately feminists seem unable to understand this, probably it just feels so good when they can express it, to each other and to men.
They don't want cohesion past sticking it to the big bad mens of this world, which is every man.
And one major impact that this whole "we don't need men" or "men are useless" is quite concerning. My little brother literally asked me one day about how mentally affected he is after watching these movies and that he doesn't feel good about himself. This is sad.
I think wasp is an amazing example of an incredible female character, like the movie made it obvious that she was better than Scott but it fit so perfectly. They were equals helping each other solve each other's hurdles. That's how movies should be.
Also when it comes to She Hulk she said she can control herself when she goes full hulk. So that means she was fully aware that her kicking a group of men would have killed them.
Yeah, they really undermined themselves there. That would seem to prove that Jen desperately needs help controlling her anger.
I didn't like she said that to hulk though. It invalidated his experiences. Like he went through depression and tried to k himself and he experienced living in Asgard and isolating himself there and through Thanos and whatnot and somehow all his trauma and depression he lived are less significant to her
She didn’t know she was a hulk. She said in the show that the first few times were a blur and she was overwhelmed.
Remember kids: respect women, but let's obsess over if a male hero got laid or not.
@@dwayneshy9531 So when she lunged at those men, she DIDN'T know she had just doubled in size? That makes her look stupid for different reasons.
I think whats ironic is a lot people think thats what superman is like some perfect being who can do no wrong but in reality he's just a down to earth guy trying to make the world better
As a black man, it baffles me to see the same company managed to make the same mistake 20 times over, but that's what happens when you get activists instead of real writers. It just makes me sad, I want diversity, but I also want well written characters and a GOOD story, I don't think that's asking for much and I don't think that makes me sexist either?!
good writing, good story and entertaining the three things missing in the nonsense we are getting.
I am all for us getting along with each other and a haveing a fair socity but this is not helping.
I watched the first episode of she-hulk, with absolute nothing going in and i just thought to myself, this is a joke right? like the writers POINT OUT what bruce had to go through his struggles, his sacrifice, his pain, for this woman to be just like him and better from day one? i just felt cheated
That's how Jen was and always has been in the comics. It's due to her receiving a mere fraction of the Gamma dosages Bruce did via blood transfusion originally, and now accidental exposure. Bruce is not the same. The Leader as well. Amadeus Cho barely had any side effects and was a master of his powers in a day. Each Hulk experiences their "monster" differently. Jen's was fortunately nonexistent.
@@Mordraneth She-hulk was also far weaker than regular Hulk in the comics, so unlike here, it made sense she had easier time with her powers.
@@1911odisea Yeh, but she is on par with "Professor" Hulk as shown here, but as you said not with Savage Hulk, OG Hulk, Joe Fixit, etc...
This iteration of Hulk has always been the weakest.
Original Mulan: she works hard to build her strength to compete with the men, and the men learn that strength alone isn't enough.
New Mulan: she's born awesome and everyone needs to get out of the way of her amazing awesomeness because she's better than everyone at everything or something.
Exactly!!! She didn't grow as a character and overcame challenges, you didn't sympathise or rooted for her along the way, it was a real dissapoinment.
People hate Mary Sues.
One thing that botters me is that Wakanda (africa) = all black, Ta-lo (asia)= all asian, Asgard (europe) = diverse ethnicities
Interesting point
Rule #1 of writing a story, don't attack and alienate your audience. Something they didn't understand with phase 4
ya it felt like they were trying so hard to expand the audiance they forgot about storytelling
It apparently worked. People keep paying for this garbage no matter how many polished turds are flung at them. They've incentivized Hollywood to do the bare minimum, the audience will pay for it either way.
That's where you're wrong. They did understand it. The She-Hulk showrunner admitted she actively made the show to attack fans. Just like modern Marvel comics creators since All New All Different in 2015, they're actively running off the fans. They don't want fans of the properties, they want fans of the creators. They want consumers of the properties. Anyone can be a consumer but it requires work to make them fans.
@@arkoisagoodboy What?
very well said
I love the fact that this is coming from a woman, No matter how I forced my self to love the new marvel M-She-U it just won’t register. On the other hand I truly want to see strong characters that happen to be female, But understanding now all of the cringe “i’m so powerful” empowerment scenes might be the reason. Not only did they not have any real struggle they seem to bash or take away all the pain and trauma the original heroes have endured before hand, I cant seem to hook onto their agenda but now realizing they’re actually pushing an agenda here. ( She-Hulk was the Definitive proof of an agenda) and now looking back at most Phase 4+ female superhero it seems all too real it’s a shame.
___________________________R.I.P Stan Lee
Under rated comment I’m glad people are starting to understand
Love the "M-She-U" name. Top quality and absolutely deserving lol.
Well said I think I feel the same
stan lee is disappointed from heaven
HAIL!!!
My biggest phase 4 disappointment has been Thor Love & Thunder because at its core it had a decent story and could’ve been a great film. Thor dealing with having lost so much and trying to find the thing that’s missing in his life to be reminded by Jane that it’s love and to find it in the role of being a parent, Jane dealing with her death and finally coming to the stage of acceptance and finding purpose in it, Gorr becoming overwhelmed revenge to at the gods to be reminded all he ever wanted was his daughter to be alive. This could’ve been a great movie if it hadn’t been weighed down by bad directing and writing making it feel like a parody of a Marvel movie.
Female thor was a mega cringe self insert from the get. The character is woke washing. Marvel comics has been hot garbage once they started injecting that shit.
@@Reverandfatdave acc female Thor was something that happened in the comics year ago after og Thor dies, it's not a desperate attempt by pc culture it's just a bad representation of a decent comic
Not to mention beta Ray bill, or horse thor
@@genghisfarn femthor's origin was a mistake in the comics too. It was pandering nonsense from the start.
@@genghisfarn yeah, I had no issue with Jane Thor being int he MCU but it was implemented terribly, even in the trailers. She could have been a surprise being introduced with Mjolnir, but of course in Disney's eyes, she had to be Trailer bait, just a tool to put more butts in seats.
Hemsworth himself was disappointed in it, and that was reason enough for me not to watch it.
Finally found some other women who agree with me about phase four, omg
Been feeling MCU burnout ever since Endgame (to be frank, it started around the time of Captain Marvel) and this video perfectly illustrates why I have lost interest in this phase of Marvel; prioritizing forced agenda-driven stories over good character writing. And I have no doubt it's going to get worse with the next phase.
After infinity war the writing quality took a sharp dip, thanks to the agenda and going for compliant writers instead of capable.
@@andrewgreeb916 Hard agree! Infinity War was the peak of their writing and everything afterwards has just been clunky, subpar and agenda obsessed nonsense. Even No Way Home mostly benefited from having the nostalgia of old characters returning.
They have enough money to throw around now. Imagine, using the fame and fortune that they amassed through the work of MEN, Chris Evans, Robert Downey Jr, Chris Hemsworth etc and make feminist propaganda bullshit like Captain Marvel, Loki, Black Widow etc.
Endgame should have been the last marvel property for like a full year. No announcements, nothing. We literally spent a decade following these stories and then marvels like cha ching! Baby! 18 more things in 2 years HERE WE GO!
I just lost interest of seeing it in the cinema when it comes out cos I have literally grown up and in college
For Thor, you can have him be humorous and still be a compelling character. I think Ragnarok did a good job at balancing out the humour and serious moments. Unfortunately Love and Thunder showed Thor almost never turn off the humour and the character felt 2D
Waititi was so full of himself that he forgot that telling the same joke twice doesn't make it funny.
Still think that Ragnarok took the jokes too far... Hulk and bridge scene as example, too much Korg...
I disagree with you on Thor: Ragnarok. It was awful. It was a disaster. And Thor: Love and Thunder was LITERALLY TRASH!.
I agree
Agree 100%
It sucks how they’ve treated the characters we love so much with such disrespect and replaced them with toxic characters 😔 As a Hispanic woman, I’m disappointed with these new female characters introduced and I don’t have to like something just because it features diverse characters. Spiderman is one of my favorite heroes in marvel and honestly, like you said, these new characters introduced in the mcu lack any character growth and as such, I don’t feel emotionally attached to them or find them even a little bit relatable or likeable. These new movies and shows also lack great story telling (plot) and it’s disappointing. I just don’t care about these new marvel movies or shows featuring these toxic, unlikeable characters. It’s cool if you guys like the new movies and shows released, I’m just saying my opinion. Also I just discovered your channel and I love your content 🤍
I wouldn't call them new characters. They all exist in the comics and some have been around for a long time. Now what us Marvel's agenda bringing in all these female replacements is beyond me
Part of me also thinks is that they know they are bad writers so they lace their shows and movies with all these woke, man hating and lets be honest, incredibly ignorant agenda in the hopes that people are obligated to like it.
One thing i never really understood is that when you have all kinds of movies that do OK-ish in the box office only for them to get scrapped. why is it that despite the repeated failures, woke movies are still being churned out? i mean i doubt any ESG score can save you when everybody stops watching your products
Entertainment can be done right if written right. Look at Top Gun Maverick. It has diversity. It has female protagonists. But unlike Marvel and the rest of the SJW garbage out there, Top Gun wasn't agenda driven and didn't force the audience to feel bad about "representation" and all of the other patronizing bullshit these propagating shameless cash takers keep injecting into things we wanna be entertained by. Top Gun was written right. MCU Phase 4 is SHIT!
@@JavelinAngel1295 agree,it all depends on writers ability and willingness to tell a good story,for me personally a great example of a diverse show is Arcane,two lead characters are women,one is a lesbian,and I love it,I can understand and relate to every single character,(despite what Hollywood says that apparently a character needs to be a right skin color or gender to be relatable),because what they do and how they think makes sense,they deal with things in different ways,have different opinions and morals and so on,it’s like they all are different...characters,imagine having those in a show,because in the end sexuality,gender or skin color doesn’t make us who we are,it doesn’t make us liking or disliking people,especially in stories.
@@trueOGseries the agenda is they need the in- fighting between people so the billionaires can do their dirty stuff while we're busy arguing why "phase 4 sucks"
And working marvelously
Thank you so much for pointing out the problem and giving solutions to it. Many channels simply rage on the problem for views and it brings us nowhere.
I'm so glad more and more women are calling out the terrible writing in these shows and films, it's a disservice to their own message and a lot of it has a big dose of misandry on the side. People don't want less women in these things they want better written ones
Yes
I loved black widow (haven't seen her stand alone movie and don't intend to)
Her character was interesting and inspiring
The fact that she was able to do what she could not because she was stronger than people but because she was smart and could figure out how to physically solve a problem despite being weaker/disadvantaged was what drew me to her
Not what they are putting out now
Exactly. All this does is make teenage boys assumed ALL girls are rude, condescending, and self-centered like this character is. It makes women look bad, is a terrible influence for girls, and can lead young boys into disliking or stereotyping women. They need to focus on making characters actually morally good and not self-centered again (or make it an arc where they become good over time, like Tony.)
@@destinyhntr young boys always stereotype women. there is always gonna be stereotype no matter what.
This video is one of the most logical, clear-headed explanations of what is wrong with many movies and television programs today. Though not Marvel, I saw the agenda-driven storylines starting with the CW's Supergirl and it's gotten progressively worse. Marvel/Disney has completely emasculated Thor and the Hulk and continues to ruin solid characters just to drive a political agenda. Great video - thank you for posting it!
You might want to look up logic in the dictionary because you certainly don't have an understanding of what that word means.
Hollywood has always been agenda driven, where have you been? 🤣
@@AG-fg1uk You clearly don't understand the stupidity of your statement so it's not really Worth responding to. Although I am pretty certain you should look into your mirror to find the actual agenda
@@AG-fg1uk I thought Holywood is about fame and getting money tbh.
Yeah I noticed it with CW first as well. Huge Arrow fan until it started getting unbearable and the writing sloppy.
The part where Sam says “you have to do better senator” and gives no ideas or suggestions about how to solve the problem is the best example of how stupid woke culture is.
Exactly. Liberals are so braindead
Lol so Sam has to literally save the world on a regular basis AND do the Senator's job for him? Lol
@@jamesjackson8265 implying that he knows best because he’s a black man wearing the Stars and Stripes while giving no incline on how to solve any of the logistical problems faced is a dishonour to everything Steve Rogers believed in.
@@jamesjackson8265 Tell me you're not an adult without telling me you're not an adult.
You most definitely succeeded.
Not really. The world did work for 5 Years without borders. Just because imperaialists came back does not mean it should be changed back again just for power hungry and corrupt people to get back to places of power. He needs to do better not to fall back into that old routine of conflict just because it is hard to face those people.
This is perfect, you say exactly what I try to say to my friends when I tell them I’m not excited to see a movie or a tv show anymore cause I know that I most likely gonna end up like those examples you’ve shown
You seriously hit the mark with this video. As a young black man, I say Phase 4 is bad in general (it's just... not good in many, many ways. Besides Spider-Man). I don't care about the politics; just give me a good movie! I don't understand these film producers' drive to replace established male heroes with female ones, and/or make white males look like fools compared to those of any other race. Speaking of, switching established heroes with unlikable "diverse" ones, just for the sake of "diversity" or "girl power", SUCKS beyond belief! If you're gonna represent us black folk, give us dynamic black characters who aren't just replacements for established white male heroes, please.
I don't mind heroes of different races at all, nor do I hate female leads. I love diversity in films if it's handled correctly. If these diverse characters aren't even good to begin with, I DON'T want them. If they're well-written, I'll most likely enjoy them. Otherwise, I want a refund. Oh, by the way, I don't need a hero to be black to look up to him or her. I look up to any good role model, man or woman, black or white. These people behind these "woke" films don't seem to understand that lol.
I'm planning on writing my own superhero and action films because the current writers are generally bad for this genre. If I ever make a film that succeeds, I'm going to yell with pure satisfaction.
Hit me up if you need actors for the film, I’d love to have my career start in the hands of somebody who knows how to write a good story instead of whatever Hollywood is doing nowadays
I'm so glad to see people still care about good writing and the essence of a story. If more people like you got in the industry, we'd have way better movies
We need to fire Taika Waititi
I had heard through my ex-boyfriend that’s the introduction of a female leads to take over from there male counterparts is in keeping with the comics and is actually canon. I have not ever looked at the comics. Is there any truth to this? Or is my ex just speculating? Were it to be true, I still don’t like what the woke agenda has done to these films and TV series. I loved all the Marvel films up until End Game and then Spider-Man: No Way Home. Black Widow was a huge disappointment. As was the Eternals and Dr. Strange and the Multiverse of Madness. Loki was ok. Didn’t like Ms. Marvel nor Hawkeye or Falcon and the Winter Soldier.
There was some brilliant actors that I enjoyed watching in some of the scenes, but because of the agenda that is being pushed and the suffocating storylines, I’m not as excited about what is yet to come. I’m so disappointed as I love superhero stories.
@@mariagrace11 literally every single "woke change" is literally just making things comic accurate. Sam becoming cap, woman captain marvel, Ms marvel, Wanda's focus, hell she-hulks first comic was in like the 70s. All of these "changes" are nothing new. Comics have always been like this, they're just willing to do it now because it makes them money now.
The tragedy of thease stories are that horrible people will use the association between bad writing and Diverse peoples as one in the same, hurting the cause even more. Some people do have good intentions and bad outcomes, others just use it as a shield to hide and it’s stupid.
I agree with you
You lost me at the words "the cause".
@@daveeyes oh sorry, I ment movements focused on helping minority groups after years of oppresion. Like male rape victims, Trans people, native Americans ect. I didn't want to make it a paragraph so I had to short hand things
Agree
"I'm a black man carrying the stars and stripes...".... Marvel didn't get it. They have no idea what those stars and stripes stand for. They do not deserve to wear them. I'm disappointed and I know that poor Stan Lee would be so angry with how they've tore Marvel to shreds... this whole thing is just a giant disaster and I'm so angry and sad... RIP Stan Lee, the legacy you built... died with you unfortunately...
The stars are stripes only should be worn by people like homelander, that's why the boys solos the whole MCU anyday. Fuck marvel lol
At least his boys in Spider-Man got a proper send off with no way home.
You completely nailed it!
You have elegantly explained why I hate ALL Disney movies from the past few years.
Its total propaganda!
They insult their main audience, and they forgot to tell a story!
I miss the old MCU, which was not based on gender or race but discussed and explored the motives and real world issues
That's so far from true it's hilarious. Real world issues??? Cmon
@@goopguy548 see Captain America Winter Soldier
@@leonardobraynen1524 again? I expected a lot more things like that, atleast they were serious about the concept of storytelling previously
@@sarthak_chandra understood. I think SpiderMan NWH was trying to tell us this was the *REAL END OF THE LINE* OF the MCU as we knew it! All those nostalgic cameos.
Marvel fans have got to be the only people who can look at a movie with nazis in it and than call the a movie with a black person in it political MC
Thank you! 🙌🏼 As a woman, I’m so sick of having my intelligence insulted by the lack of struggle and complexity in these fabricated female characters. Throwing some chicks on screen and giving them nothing more than witty one liners about degrading men, and powers that magically somehow instantly surpass those of men with twice their size and experience, is NOT empowering or inspiring. It’s boring, forced, and absolute cringe. I think of what men must think watching this stuff and feel so embarrassed. There should be awesome female characters. They should be developed into someone that everyone cares about and roots for, including men. Male super heroes fight evil bad guys and female superheroes fight…men? 🤦🏻♀️ LAME. 👎🏼 When are they going to learn that no one asked for this??
People like you are our last best hope for the future, you really brighten my day 🙂
Wow u explained it very well . One of the best comment 👌
@@baldmahoraga That’s another aspect of the dangers of wokeism; that you can’t criticize anything lest you be labeled some kind of phobe or ist. It’s insulting to think women can’t take criticism. And the irony of fabricating strong female characters but then sending the message that women are so weak we can’t take some criticism or even teasing, so we need to be protected and insulated by the likes of Hollywood, UA-cam, Facebook, etc., so that we don’t hear anything negative. Our little heads might explode. 🙄 Same goes with anyone who isn’t white or straight or cis, as if they’re so feeble we need to police the whole world to make sure no one ever gets offended. I don’t want anyone acting like they’re my mom besides my mom. My generation didn’t have all this and we’re tougher than the younger, woker generations. We were pushed to actually BE strong, to figure out how to solve problems ourselves, to speak up and fight back when bullied, to lose a game with grace & class, to make our own way when we want something but face obstacles - not to watch movies with strong women in them but then go get a hug from our teacher and ask to use their cry closet when someone hurt our feelings. You can’t put out the message that a minority group is strong & powerful while at the same time putting out the message that they’re so delicate they need to be a protected class and sheltered from all the meanies in the world. 🤦🏻♀️
Honestly, can we have female superheroes like Wonder woman? She's a badass and has been my favourite
I think the term you are looking for is mary sue. All of Disneys female charcters are mary sues.
I don't understand why they are so insistent on putting down the heroes we already love to bring in new ones, why can't they leave the legacies of the veteran heroes be and have them pave the way for the new blood instead of being replaced and outclassed
Because the new ones are so poorly written that the only way they'll look good is by tearing every other character around them down.
It's bait and switch - marvel is relying on the names of those previous heroes to get people to come to watch it at all.
I think we've all seen this in the real world, at work where someone can't just BE good at their job. They can't, so they try to make everyone else around them look bad.
If they showed women getting 'tested' like the male heroes, they would also be called sexist for showing women 'being abused'. You can't portray women as anything but perfect without being called sexist, and I think that speaks volumes.
The best advice to anyone trying to write a great female character is "Just write a great character and make them female." We're all human and we do have gender-specific experiences, but being awesome or cool isn't gender-specific.
Btw I love the Edge of Tomorrow reference. That was a perfect female action hero character. Didn't feel unrealistic at all and it was quite comical watching her beat Tom Cruises character down to build him up. Worked seamlessly in my opinion.
would have been actually perfect if her character wasn't used as a romance partner and instead he just genuinely cared about her as a close friend and comrade that he's died alongside thousands of times.
"Just because your race, your orientation is represented doesn't mean you have to like it."
This is so trueeee
It boggles my mind how something so good like the MCU could be completely ruined so fast like it is being done now, and no one does anything about it . Insanity..
It's easy to destroy in seconds what took someone else years to build.
It's because the story is literally over and there's nothing else relevant to wrap up.
Ya. Makes me wonder how Stan Lee feels... especially since he wasnt particularily fond of lgbt (im also not)
It's owned by Disney. And we've seen where that's been going, so it's pretty lateral with that.. honestly not really surprising, while still sad af
@@EpicMomentMaker oh i didn’t know that about him . that’s sad
I'm taking a dramatic literature class and we recently read Antigone alongside a piece by the philosopher Hagel on Greek tragedies vs Romantic tradegies (like Shakespeare). According to Hagel Romantic tragedies have a personification of evil that provides conflict, as opposed to the Greek tragedy which provides conflict by presenting two characters who are neither evil or good, innocent or guilty, but instead acting in the only way their character could act. When they want opposing things, it creates conflict with no easy solution. Hagel cited Antigone as a wonderful example. Antigone wants to honor her family by providing her brother with a burial, and Creon wants to uphold his values of justice by denying the burial. Imo, Civil War is a great modern day example of this. While yes, there is a villain, the main conflict comes from Steve and Tony both acting in the only way they could as characters and it's why it's a hotly debated issue. Phase 4 has no conflict like this, but instead expects us to simply agree with whatever morals or values they are spoon feeding us. That's why I think phase 4 sucks