The Future "Problem" of Gift Markers
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- Опубліковано 16 січ 2021
- With the prospect of a new mechanic in Overdress we can suddenly see an issue with the existence of Gift Markers in vanguard. What is this issue and how could we fix it? Those are the questions I'll adress in preparation for the new product reveals.
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How about changing the ruling into:
When your Vanguard is placed, if your opponent's Vanguard is not the same grade or more as your Vanguard, acquire a marker on your end phase instead.
This way, the turn 1 player still acquires a gift but will not be able to use it on their Grade 3 turn.
Bushiroad hire this man
Finally a good suggestion
In my group of players we just want a defensive option like g guards, if they scrap markers I hope we get cards that expand on blitz orders, maybe give us imaginary blitz on cards or something
Would love to see an order based mixed deck
Preventing getting gifts going first is interesting...
However, protect decks get the upper hand from that for the most part.
Most "decent" protect deck don't really need their marker, since their offense is build from the dcek synergy itself.
Cutting accel and force so... "harshly" would position protect as the favorite...
Since their can go first and play fine, or go second, eat a worst turn from their opponent and get their marker.
Also, having gavrail as the potencial best deck in format after gurguit's restriction... And having any other decks hit that way... She may either get hit or we would have to wait a lot for the game to catch up in speed with her... So we would still be on the same powerlevel as V, even after entering overdress...
A change in the ruling is the key, I agree 100%, but I'm not sure that is the answer...
Vanguard has 10 years, we've seeing a lot of things, and some of its rules need adjusting.
Now would be the perfect time to touch upon the rules in a big way, to rejuvenate the game, and try to fix some of its game design flaws from the very root of the issue...
It may not happen, but I think it would be for the best
Maybe a ticket that goes to your hand when your opponent gets a gift? Something defensive the opponent gets every time you receive a gift could work.
@@-Cetus- a lot could be done...
But I talked about BIG changes...
Looking back at other TCGs vanguard lose something it had long ago, but is losing it every year that passes by...
I'm talking about a "restriction mecanic"
For example, MTG have the land system to prevent you from playing a bunch of really powerful cards early on.
Digimon has the chrono clash system to give resources to the opponent after playing something really strong, and you could give them few memory to prevent them from playing something really strong.
Vanguard had the CB system.
If you didn't give your opponent a lot of damage, they could counter attack back at full strength...
However, as time goes on, and we continue on improving cards, making them cheaper and cheaper...Cb lose its effect.
You can't CB denial Vanquisher,
Gavrail it's going to give herself the damage she needs or Luard can refund his cost to keep going over and over again...
During G, generation break worked as a "restriction mechanism" on a way.
You normally couldn't first stride your big effect cause it would be GB3, or even 4 at the end...
I'm not sure "how" but that needs to be addressed ...
Also... I think the clan system would be nice to... Change it. 24 clans it's a lot, and it's main effect on the game is on the booster sets.(together with the card design that needs to keep pressing onwards)
Having so many clans, makes so we need so many booster sets, and we needs them fast, otherwise, old decks never get their support on time.
Not only that, since only X clan card work for that clan, you can't part it.
Normally the best build for a clan is "discover" in a 2 week window after the release of its set, without those fast booster set releases... We would have a static meta for a month or 2 with a best deck in format, most likely...
Thing that people doesn't like, but it really hard to prevent for the way booster sets work...
I would like... For overdress cards to work for the hole nation.
They would still belong to "X clan" inside its nation, but it would allow decks to adapt.
For example, zoo, let's say my great nature decks disnt got new cards, but Neo nectar got support that would work for the hole nation.
With some limitation, making the old" if you have a neo nectar vangyard" to get some bonus effect or power.
That way, if each booster set brings support for all nations, and every deck can evolve constantly, some better or worst. But "great nature" would have to wait a year to get new support.
With this type of design, decks get a lot of room for experimentation, expanding the window to fin the best dcek from 2 weeks to, many 1 month or so.
That way, giving more time from each booster set. Maybe a set each 2-3 months. Giving more time for testing, which would be extremely necessary to make sure that the design of the "more open game" is still balance.
Everyone would have to buy the new set, so we wouldn't have to see another vbt10 case. And the sale for each set would stabilize.
Form this, even a small side board would become a thing in vanguard.
For example, if I play a zoo deck, I get 7 cards for side boarding, however, a dragon empery or united sanctuary deck would have a smaller one, like 5 cards since they have way more options that the smaller nations.
In whatever case... In less than a day we would know what they actually plan to do xd
@VanguardInsider what do you think?
Imagine Overdress bringing in Dual Gift Makers, like you Right a Royal Unit with Half Force/Half Accel. So you can choose 1 on ride to choose.
Actually no. The problem is how Vanguard does new product and support. See yugioh as an example on how to introduce a new era and do support for past eras.
Plus, Yugioh is less likely to do dark for months on a new era.
My big theory is that Overdress is going to have something that's like a combination of orders and strides, where you get a ticket when riding the vanguard for a type of order that goes on the vanguard circle for the turn and grants an additional ability, a form of "arming" the vanguard with an "overdress". The biggest issue with gifts is that they stick to the board and don't go away after a turn, which is the first mechanic of its type to do that. Strides went away after a turn, and other mechanics involved a larger investment in resources or a threshold to be reached. I think making fewer gift units but having Overdress units be a specific and mutually exclusive thing with bigger options to branch out with will be a solid way to do things. It makes gifts and overdress mutually exclusive, and allows overdress turns to be stronger while also having that power go away at the end of the turn like strides used to.
So it’s essentially an equip spell system like from Yugioh? Interesting idea, but it kinda makes Tachikaze and Genesis gauges more confusing for new players unless the decks gain a new focus for their play styles
@@ignisofficialgaming Well the overdress card would ONLY go on the vanguard is what I'm saying, the same way strides did.
Harri is crying at your suggestion.
Xd
I think the main issue is that having to Diversify mechanics so greatly in order to create unique but powerful Engines within the Game, Inevitably will create Power Creep by attempting New interactions which ALWAYS leads to Abuse and Unintended interactions. I think going First is Incredibly powerful and Basically makes All but the Best Protect Clans Completely Underpowered in premium due to needing alot more time to Build Up sometimes even into 1st and 2nd Stride and with the Proliferation of Guard Restricts in Most clans
I kinda wish they also give new types of gift markers. Like accel 3 could basically be wave. Where they get 5k but can attack from behind. Protect 3 could be 30-50k shields/fix protect 2 with intecept from the back row. And force 3 is hard to predict but maybe get 5k but gets some type of protection or the power is permanent instead of only on your turn
Maybe protect 3 is on intercept, becomes pg
@@piko_kyunnchannel5372 bud that is worse cuz they can just snipe that unit on the gift marker. Give p3 resist and intercept from back row with a 10k+ shield buff on intercept is prob a good idea. In a way u describe p3 its basically p2 but with some minor fix
Yes, finally Gavrail wont be able to 80k 5crit no pg atk me while on G2 bcs they wont get a Protect in hand.
Lol
That is pretty high roll . Like it's a miracle to even get 3 + Crit in the first place
@@chinyang1200 Lol what? No its not, they get at least 6 drive checks per turn as long as you give them 2 dmg and they keep recycling their combo pieces, resources and triggers every turn.
My idea is that Overdresses are a type of Markers. Markers were described as "new system", meaning that the Force-Protect-Accel division were made to be maintained, so I think the Overdresses will still be part of equation. A way to balance then would be that ODs can be acquired only if your opponent's vanguard is G3+ and you have more damages.
They could limit gift acquisition to be damage related, for instance you might only get a gift marker when you are at 4 damage or greater, or if you ride a grade 3 when you are at higher damage than your opponent, or in some combination of circumstances.
While i agree about the first player not getting gift marker, but not getting it at all is where i don't agree. What i like to see is a ruling change about getting gift marker. Some thing like this=
-On ride gift, When your opponent is Grade 3 or lower, get the imaginary gift at the end of the turn. That way the first player doesn't lose to much advantage and gift the second player a chance to catch up.
Also the gift marker obtain by skill still is the same, if not then Astral Poet deck is dead
Yugioh did the same thing by changing the summoning mechanic rules, like nerfing extra deck summoning
So excited for Tuesday man, I'm so curious. Yeah rotation just doesn't work with Vanguard's structure and how it releases sets. Also the lack of reprinting doesn't help the idea either since there are key pieces that certain decks need, it's way too messy in my opinion. In terms of the next mechanic or "thing" they'll bring to the game, I'm stumped. Best I could think of was Order cards being developed on further but even then that can only go so far. I feel like the game has the room to improve but how / if they can do that we'll have to see. Hurry up Tuesday! xD
Really neat video. I do like the theorycrafting of finding solutions for the gift market problem. Personally, I do think that set rotation can work, but it has to be an intended decision. Right like if Overdress is made with set rotation like G-Regulation would’ve been players can know what sets are clearly legal for Standard. Then Bushiroad can make legacy support knowing if the card/series it supports will be Standard legal. Or hell , put legacy support in supplemental sets like Premium Collection
Honestly I just their more their trial decks for clans
I meant that they should be more
@@crazyflame7227 agreed. Over the years some clans got multiple trial decks (I'm looking at you royal paladins, gear chronicle and Bermuda triangle) while some haven't even got one (such as angel feather and great nature)
The problem is they don't age well, so shops end up with unsold stock
hello vanguard insider im a big fan of your vids i even subbed and ringed the bell and i hope that overdress keeps markers
Same
Oh god what problem now?
It’s been a while mate, Nice video
Clan Fight was already introduced when Legion era started, Thing Saver Abyss happened because Royal Paladin had an exception where it could run 10 Shadow Paladin cards.
I really liked Solemn's idea of rotating out all the VRs
you do know that making a rule like that supports the g2 game right.
The fact that gifts are not something your opponent can play around makes it, in MY OPINION, the worst mechanic in the game. V era in general has been very poor quality, I am not a fan of the majority of games ending on turn 3 or 4, and is EXTREMELY punishing for just the smallest of brick hands if you go 2nd. Whatever OverDress is, Bushi NEED it to correct that colossal fuck up.
I also feel like if there is no rotation (please for the love of god make there not be), Bushi needs to work on reprints. They've done well with Clan Selection and Festival collection, so props to them for that. But they need to keep that up in this new era and not leave it too late so we don't end up with $50 RRRs again.
Also as a primary premium player, I would appreciate a couple reprints from G and such in our premium collections. Not much, maybe instead of a trigger, every clan gets a G1 staple from G era reprinted. Just something small like that I feel would help ease more players into the format. But that is wishful thinking since we are the afterthought format.
I'm pretty sure Standard is supposed to be fast. That's why the Standard format is more popular in Japan. Whether or not it is supposed to be that fast is unknown to me.
a simple way that bushi can get around the problem with new cards that make markers are by giving them the CBD treatment, NO MARKER at all. it would force players to add another card that would give them a marker possibly affecting the deck. it could be that by having no marker symbol allow the cards to be powerful but not allowing them to gain it would just ruin that deck and decrease its strength.
The biggest benefit that I’ve seen gift markers have brought to vanguard isn’t the large plus of power or defense. It’s how the cards look with the marker under the grade. Every time I see a G3 without that symbol I don’t immediately think oh this thing is weak, I think “dang this doesn’t look as cool as it could.”
How does Astral Poet work in the ruling being suggested?
I feel like overdress is a mechanic for markers like paying a certain cost to "overdress" your marker. And depending on the clan, each one overdress effect has different effects. The going 2nd marker gain is quite an interesting idea tho. But I hope Bushi makes something that allows players to not lose so much resources when going 2nd.
What happend with the Vanguard 2020 Rewind? Are ya gonna leave it for tomorrow the day before we get info about OverDress? Because, symbolically would be the end of an era.
Sadly that won't be possible my aim is to release it before the end of Januari
@@VanguardInsider F.
That would of been amazing. How the progress on that video goes by the way?
Wait. I thought the announcement is tmr at 10pm EST . You might have to double check that @
Vanguard Insider
What if like chaos breaker, overdress G3's steal or dissolve gift markers. Also my problem with the marker ruling you proposed last year is that it rewards decks that can generate additional markers. So to clarify you mean that markers can't be obtained period if your opponent isn't G3?
Agree👍
I hope you right ... I will like play that ^^
i honestly think there should be a certain amount of gifts that could be generated in a game would make a lot of more sense, e.g. force max 6 markers etc, as i believe that would help wid balancing the game and the power creep dat we're facing in vg rn
As another idea, add a clause that restricts which mechanic can be used (new mechanic from OD and gift markers) in each deck. This way there’s more choice and more depth to strategy in the game, plus it lets the cards from Clan Selection and earlier still be viable with new support in later sets
My suggestion would be to Move away from Gift Markers as Free Value Or/ Create some Rule that Enables some sort of advantage for Going 2nd as a Protect Clan. Simply Making Protect a Little bit more viable may Balance it a little more, Since IMO Accel And Force are Just Fine. Introducing a New Mechanic at this Point is more likely to just Tilt the Meta even Further given How Cray Elementals has affected high level Play.
Personal Theory:
you see boss units in clan selection like Gastille and CBD, those are Triple Rare cards with *no markers*
i think, in one way or another, (in order to not 'powercreep' the game by effectively denying the usage of Gift Markers) Bushiroad will do another rotation (by pushing all VRs into premium and Overdress becomes 'Standard') and restrict all VRs in Overdress but still allow players to use RRR and below cards
this way cards like Dragonic Kaizer Vermilion THE BLOOD can still function
its quite scary tbh since im a casual player who spent wayy too much money on melody
but in that scenrio you get the same issue as stated in the video with Shin melkuth and old Melkuth as 1 is a VR and the RRR needs the VR to work
It's ok if the overdress is not a standard mechanic like a very new mechanic ok im done with this for buying the trial deck and the booster set for building the deck which is kind of tired since I finished my maelstrom standard deck build but I prefer the aqua force complete deck build from the new era which has a very easy decision to buy in the group
What if we get decks where yknow
Grades matter more?
So like a deck of all grade 1s and 0s who don't ride above 1 etc or something?
I dunno i haven't played since like 4 sets into v
That happened in G with the original seven seas deck. You couldn't stride or legion unless both players were G3, so since that's what every deck was built upon what would happen if you just... never went to G3? The result was the shivering nightmare of vanguard players at the time.
They fixed that and now all u need to do is sit on a g3 vg for at least a turn
How do you envision this working for clans that are able to produce makers through skills like genesis
They could make it so that in order to create a marker you need to be the same or lower grade then your opponent this way valkerion is still viable, but any other G3 that makes them like percival,hamsuke etc still need to wait until your opponent is G3. But maybe allowing markers that come from skills just work as normal is fine. Thats something that needs a lot of testing to determine what is ideal for the meta game
i dont think so about the fact that they stop supporting Gift marker.That will critically hit their market and upcoming Clan Selection boosters.instead i think they will bring back some new Blitz order or something like kagero G Guard that can do something at opponent turn.
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I was just about to get back in the game. Was gonna buy Genesis deck guess I'll wait now.
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vanguard just need a defensive power creep like g guard or the legendary blitz orders we never have :)
Rotation doesn't work but bushiroad pulled it off. Won't be surprised if they just reboot it again.
@Shuckle Huckle regardless it almost invalidated people’s collection. Thankfully people still play premium so I’m not worried. I still feel that bushi failed on making standard an easy format to get into and have no idea how they would fix that.
Personally for me, I don't quite like the idea of "giving the first turn player a disadvantage" or essentially, nerfing going first. We've seen throughout vanguard history that similar things like these tend to make for uninteresting and unnecessarily draggy gameplay. Examples I can think of being: damage deny at 3 for limit break and not riding up from grade 2 for first stride. If we don't allow the first g3 ride to obtain a gift marker, we could very well see the same issue of stalling on grade 2, which like I said, it ruins the fun in the game.
But with that being said, my only solution to fixing the going first issue would be to buff going second enough where they can definitely counteract the power of that first grade 3 turn. I can only say it in theory because I too, don't know how to practically achieve that. So yea. idk.
Would it be gifts from riding? Genesis relies on getting markers from grade 1.
I like the idea that you have suggested but won't chaos breaker be unaffected due to his skill also in my opinion I like the gift marker mechanic I think having a challenge that makes us better at defending and helps sharpen both our minds and instincts to be thrilling and as to everyone who believes gift markers are a bad idea because of the luck of the draw no matter how much consistency is added to a luck based game a luck based game is still a luck based game and in vanguard and any other card game it's the luck of the draw that can make you or break you so like my grandmother and everyone else before me would say just suck it up or stop playing also seeing what you get over the course of the game is a thrill that not everyone enjoys and I happen to like seeing what fate has in store for us when playing luck based games
I bet people are still complaining because even after bushiroads continued releases of consistency cards they still struggle from time to time to reach grade 3 I honestly don't know why but it seems like when they get something right there's still a angry mob and who is protecting them from these unreasonable angry mobs and this is just a figure of speech but anyone who's reasonable will agree with me atleast on this point
Well, Bushiroad has proven they can support every clan within a year, and basically almost allow for two sets of support a year. We got support during "G V era" for every clan in the span of seven sets, or seven months. If they just stopped making Bermuda have its own set of support, or release Bermuda in the same month as another set (because only diehard Bermuda players will get the Bermuda set), then they can have all 24 clans be supported in the span of half a year, which means they could do two sets of support per clan within one year. So if they continue down the path they laid out with these past half year of sets and the Clan Selection sets, then I think they could easily be able to keep clans up to date more frequently.
Also, more Festival Collection sets will be good. Maybe what Bushiroad could do, assuming they change up how they design sets, is make a reprint set dedicated solely to triggers, which would then allow the actual sets to be nothing but normal units and order cards, which in turn could also solve the "staple promo" issue by having that extra space not taken up by triggers be going to including those staple cards and giving you a complete deck out of the box.
I do sense a rule change coming to affect gift markers. Ffs, they're calling this the "Vanguard Project 2.0". In any other TCG, anything denoted with a number at the end usually means a major rule change happens alongside the new shit added. Yugioh is especially the case, since we're on Master Rule 4 right now (yes, it's not Master Rule 5, people. Konami said at the start of the Sevens "era" that the rule change was more of an addendum to MR4 and not MR5, so we're still in MR4), so given Overdress is being referred to as Vanguard Project 2.0, I think there's something huge being changed in the rules of the game, hopefully to severely curb gift markers.
Ok so my guesses is here
Either make a starter that COMPLETELY stop u from getting marker if u ride it, but give it some extra skills like: When rode upon, draw a card and one of ur vg get 5k til end of turn. U cannot acquire gift markers after u rode this card until the end of match. Or draw 2 cards(kinda broken but idk just my guesses).
My 2nd guess is a gigantic ban list like u said. For ex the next era or when overdress set came out, u cannot run g3 in v era units that can acquire gift markers. This could break the game here cuz u still have access to non gift marker units in v era, and those could make the deck way stronger without gifts. And they can break the game if u know how to.
Rotation is not a good idea cuz unlike most card games where they have a small amount of mechanics so they can rotate it easily. But then that will ruin the games for newbies cuz now not only are they have to make more trial decks than usual, they have to make sure EVERY SINGLE CLAN have a new set in their rotation which is wack. Also, what r u gonna do with cards that is out of rotation? Take MTG for ex, pro players have to get new decks every time a new set come out, or when their deck is out of rotation. This happened a lot cuz newbie sometimes want to learn decks that is outdated, because its seems fun to them. Nerfing gift markers if u going first will bring u back to the g era where u cannot stride if ur opponent is not g3 or greater. If this is the case, then bushi should make a rule stated that u MUST ride into a unit that have 1 grade higher than ur vg. Unless u dont have one or failed to get one from G assist.
I think extra deck will come to standard format.
Yeah
I feel like Bushiroad needs to work on their game design a lot. The fact one clan can have 7 different builds and still top in the meta is ridiculous.
Variety lol
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@@eavyeavy2864
Don't even get me started on that BS... lol
If your idea is implamented should also 100% be implamented in premium, premium has also been cursed by standard power creep, both builds of genesis, blademaster and nue could all use a good nerf and taking away there bs i win while your on g2 buttons in force 2 for glepnir and vision tokens, 3 force spam for valk, and getting rid of nues accel gets rid off 2 attacks. Would also help with sup ride decks as while not the tier 1 best decks right now people complain so much about superior ride and would seriously hurt ezel rivere and luard to not gain the markers
They also we got all our favorite card back from clan section we would not want to premium only again. Just my opinion
So just say better a completely new era like g to v
I met not
quick shield＝15000shield maybe help fix 2nd player?
Ban Accel II, the end
Overdress News tomorrow 👀👀👀
Isn’t it on Tuesday?
Will Gift Markes still be in the New vangaurd over dressed?
If they want to get rid of markers for overdress then no. But since they need to make him stronger than gift, people can mixed other cards that gain gift markers which make overdress even more stronger
@@nguyenluong2727 i hope so gift markers are fuckign trash and crazy unblanced protect 2 is borderlien garbage and all the sythems make clans just feel like i am a force clan not i am playing royal paladin bushi roads sucks so muc hass
Hear me out
Gift 3
New Accel, New Protect, New Force
Me too im with you
And then a rotation did happen
"next week"
Um you mean TOMORROW, the announcement is tomorrow
for me its Sunday and the announcements is tuesday so it is still next week xD
@@VanguardInsider same lol
@@VanguardInsider ua-cam.com/video/5Fi12S_LTX4/v-deo.html
Note Im in PST so it's at 7 PM on monday for me.
Also wait if it's Sunday where you are at (same as where Im at) and even if it was Tuesday, that's still not next week because Sunday is the start of the week.
@@summermermaidstar756 In most parts of the world, Sunday is the last day of the week not the first day of the week. Therefore, still next week.
18th is Re:Birth and Weiss, 19th is vanguard
I actually like the gift market mechanic.
Yeah I hope that overdress is still a v series mechanics
Im excited what is mechanic what overdress give us 😍😍😍😍
1 day left before news of overdress is coming
Congrats, you were 3rd like a g3. Get a Force marker
+10000 power
@@l8head145 thanks i loved it 😍😍😍😍
@@l8head145 By the way man my main clan is a force clan its shadow paladin
@@braindominguez7938 i just realised cause of the Blaster Dark
@@l8head145 not just that man i am a unit in shadows and its named is Knight of Craving Brian. Brain is reversed form of my nane. So that is my main shadows. I really one of them. 🥰🥰🥰🥰
I think its easier to just stop mixing sets lol
I've been talking about this for awhile.
Gifts don't really have the same interaction as limit break or G had. Theres not really any way to work around the mechanic. I would rather you just get rid of it... but if you cant... then ruling out most VRs and just using triple rare marker cards seems fine I guess.
I understand that cards like malketh are basically useless... but id rather have that than just straight up make a more broken mechanic.
i gave up on v and only played premium when i realized after 30 games my accel deck couldn't beat my friends force deck
which accel clan you play?
I think if they make Gift Markers 1/turn will make the game more enjoyable
And Completly Ruin Giant Deity Valk, and Gurguit, and any other deck that accelerates gift markers. I don't think that rule will accomplish what you hope it will. DI will still 3rd Turn OTK you no problem with NLK without Protect Markers
@@GhostlyNomad130 I mean it by riding, if the effect is get a gift you get a gift
@@thed4rknss673 😅 Oh. My bad, That Makes perfect sense. Thats actually a really good Idea
@@GhostlyNomad130 Np, I also expressed myself poorly
@@thed4rknss673 Honestly as Long As they Don't completely revamp the Game and introduce YET ANOTHER mechanic it might end up like Yugioh did where, most of the time if you went first you Win. I haven't played too many games, but It already feels like going First Is way too strong. If your opponent can survive your first grade 3 Ride its Basically do or Die!
Easy fix: just put lb4 on every gr 3 with gift. Lol
I beg you Bushiroad give us Amon back power creep will die If Amon is revamped
Yup don't forget most cards aren't confirmed in the v era if bushiroad will discontinued the v series so of course they will revamped or die
if you prevent gift markers before grade-3, genesis's astral poet deck dies.
Chaos breaker is a great counter to astro poets.
@@HybridMMAExtreme It was more a comment for his 'solution' to the gift marker issue. Without the ability to generate markers before the opponent's vanguard is grade-3, Decks such as Majesty Lord Blaster, Witches, or Astral Poets would lose a good deal of what makes their deck unique or powerful: with cards like gauntlet buster or 'the drill' hard punishing them afterwords for effectively wasting a turn.
Also, a funny way to stop Astral poets is to utilize Brandt to nullify their use of triggers. At the very least, it reduces the chance of taking any damage if they do hit a critical and each heal they reveal pushes them closer to death. Not that brandt is a good card on its own, but against certain matchups, it' makes a nice tech-choice for Link Joker if you know when to use it.
first
Well done
Well done
I honestly _really_ like the idea that Solemn Vanguard mentioned in a recent video, where they just lop the top off of V by essentially restricting anything VR or potentially RRR and up - minus the Clan Selection cards, that way we have the entire card pool of V to build from minus the "Boss Monsters", we won't be starting completely from scratch and thus have the base for every single clan from the start, plus the cards that come in the Clan Selection sets. It would make it a really interesting dynamic as it wouldn't take away the markers, but it would hit the power scaling a pretty good amount
On first glance it might sound like a nice option, but once you start looking at the consequences you see it turns really bad really fast. With no VR's that means gear chronicle is dead as a clan all our G4 options are VR (that are actually playable). Shadow paladin is also unplayble as they only have witches left. The new melkkuth doesnt work as it needs the old VR. A lot of clans become quite unplayable. Sure there are some clans that will be fine, basically the clans that got budget options like blaus,nociel etc. But once we say rrr are also gone then no clan is playable. There is no deck that works with rr and lower that isn't a mesh of random cards put together.
@@VanguardInsider with all that said I can certainly see where a lot of clans I have less knowledge of would definitely become unplayable, though I should have mentioned the thing *SV* mentioned was basically an _almost-hard_ reset, cycling out the decks of V but giving Over Dress a base to start from.
But as you've mentioned a lot of clans would lose almost all playability, like GC would be left with very little in the way of useable G4 cards, and depending on how they cut TD Triple Rares it could potentially leave them without Chronojet, meaning they'd have only 1 Striding G3 (that rides down to g2 at the end of stride turn at that), the remaining 2 G4s are incredibly underwhelming at best.
Only a handful of clans would have impactful grade 3 options left, or even impactful cards at that, but the idea would be they be given a place to start, and a place to build, rather than have all clans be strong. Though that's on the condition that they do rotate cards out. Otherwise ignore this whole idea.
Force decks and Accel deck will definitely be badly hurt by no gifts going first while protect decks not as much at all.
Honestly, I think a mega banlist is necessary to keep the game healthy. But what I think it can work is errataing all VRs to creating only a specific type of gift ( no choosing between 1 and 2, only the one indicated in the errata)
What if... what if.... WHAT IF!!
The gift marker can be only achieved if opponent is only G3 above
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If they would have just made protect not have to drop a card it wouldn’t be an issue. Bermuda and force was bullshit. Markers ruined the game. Never helped at all. Thank god for D format is dropping that shit
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