HTN CF25 "Black Aluminum", Carbon Fiber Reinforced High Temp Nylon Filament from Essentium
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- Опубліковано 5 сер 2024
- BUY HERE: visionminer.com/materials
Essentium HTN-CF25 (a high-temperature nylon) is a polyamide-based chemistry with a 25% carbon fiber reinforced core.
0:00 - Intro
2:19 - What Industries Use This Material
3:24 - What Temps You Need to Print This
5:45 - Material Specifications
6:56 - Environmental Factors
7:44 - Example Parts
12:24 - Break Tests
15:45 - Burn Tests
19:06 - End
They actually extrude this material with a coaxial nozzle -- two parts, the core with Carbon Fiber, and a high-temp nylon sheath around the outside. We don’t see other 25% fill materials because they become so brittle they cannot spool onto a spool -- HTN-CF25 is the highest strength and stiffness material in the Essentium portfolio. This material also boasts easy processing and excellent thermal resistance. Designed for tooling applications, high-strength/stiffness jigs and fixtures, and as a replacement for light-duty aluminum parts. They call it “Black Aluminum”
This material is designed for tooling applications, high-strength/stiffness jigs and fixtures, injection molding, blow molding, thermoforming, composite molds, High strength end use parts, -- it’s literally a replacement for light duty aluminum parts. One awesome thing about this material is that when printed solid, it can be machined and actually used for injection molding -- we’ve got a video on surface finish, and Blake actually shows off some parts they made and used for polypropylene injection molds!
WHAT KIND OF MACHINE DO YOU NEED TO PRINT THIS FILAMENT?
Nozzle temp: 270-310 C depending on speed, which is usually 40-80mm/s on standard machines
Bed Temp: 80-90c
For bed adhesion, our nano polymer adhesive works GREAT on every surface we’ve tested! One bottle to rule them all…. Seriously, our stuff works with just about every material aside from POM and PP, so grab a bottle if you haven’t already!
Speed: again, 40-80mm/s and faster - on the HSE, they’re printing this stuff at 50-500 mm/s -- that’s right -- the HSE is an incredible machine, make sure you look that up.
Chamber Temp: Not required, but 60+c is helpful for strength!
Drying: yes, you MUST dry this filament. Like almost every thermoplastic, this does need to be dried thoroughly before processing, which is the fancy word for melting.
BASIC MATERIAL SPECS:
Heat Deflect Temp: up to 219°C
Continuous use temp of 150c for 20,000+ hours.
Substance: Semicrystalline
Ultimate Tensile Strength, on the ISO 527-2 test, in Megapascals, is
148 on the X/Y
74.5 at a 45 degree angle
40.6 on the YX
And 24 on the ZX -- so you still do lose a bit on the z-axis, but you get an INCREDIBLE
16,000 MPa tensile modulus on the XY -- 3500 on the zx. Depending how you design your part, this stuff is SIGNIFICANTLY stronger than standard markforged onyx nylon (at 1400 MPa, but we don’t even know if that’s XY or ZX or what)
All data sheets are available on our online store, at visionminer.com/data, so you can find the tensile modulus, elongation, impact strength, and more.
HTN CF25 is resistant to many solvents, making it great for many chemical environments, especially under-the-hood applications. The high carbon content definitely helps the UV resistance, and you shouldn’t have any troubles placing these parts outside in direct sunlight. While this isn’t a fully ESD-safe filament, it’s so high in carbon that it does crawl into the electrostatic dissipative category. While this material doesn’t have many certifications as of January 2021, it’s on the way -- it can be sterilized due to the temperature resistance, but you probably won’t see it in medical tools due to the carbon content.
Check out our other videos for the full comparisons! At Vision Miner, we specialize in Functional 3D printing, especially high-performance plastics like PEEK, ULTEM, PPSU, PPS, CFPA, and more. We also have extensive experience with 3D scanners, and a whole array of solutions available for purchase. If you're interested in using functional 3D printing and materials in your business, feel free to reach out, and we can help you make the right choice for your application.
Call 833-774-6863 or email contact@visionminer.com, and we're here to help!
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I love the professional self-edit. "It will really ff...screw up"
HTN-CF25 is our go-to filament for anything that requires significant strength, it's an absolutely fantastic material to print with. I'd wondered how it compared to the other CF nylon products, it's great to see that it was just as good as I suspected. Another small point, the way that Essentium surrounds the carbon with the nylon sheath substantially reduces the wear and tear on your extruder gears since it keeps the abrasive carbon away from the gear teeth.
this filament it’s pure madness 🤘😎 love the “black aluminum” analogy 👌
Cant wait to see the comparison to ultem, cf ultem, cf peek etc. Very cool vid, cheers!
some day..
Keep it up man keep the signal strong 💪
I'm just wondering... Were the Nylon prints moisture conditioned?
Please don't forget to test Polymaker Polymide PA6-CF :D
I just printed a few jigs and press fixtures with this out of my Creality K1. Surprisingly printed very well and it's stupid strong. I'm pushing about 1000 pounds on this jig with a hydraulic press and it's taking it like a champ every time! I printed a 7.5mm rod out of it longways and I cant even break it!
Love the videos. Really informative. However, I would like to see more materials and experiences on the Funmat Pro 410. Would this be possible?
Thanks a lot for your fantastic videos!
I wanted to understand how it behaves in contact with water? is it going to soften up just as standard Nylon6?
Have you tested metal filaments yet?
I wonder how metal powder mixed with graphite would perform.
How does it hold up to 0 and below temps?
I thought I wanted this material, but it looks like PCTG may be better for my use case since I do need some deflection in addition to strength... Absolutely cannot have shards when it breaks.
VERY NICE😄
im looking for a filament that can be used for thermo forming kydex parts. so they get hot upto 180 degrees celcius but only stay at that temp for maybe 15s then starts cooling down rapidly to room temp within 90 seconds
Hey, wich one is the strongest? This or the carbonx htn cf
which is better for printing parts that have to be both rigid and precise: Carbon fiber nylon filament or Carbon fiber polycarbonate
I'd like to see it compared side by side with Ultem and PEEK
Will it be used for smartphone frames?
Did that Nylon comparison video come out? I'm not seeing it on your channel. Thanks!
Almost there -- we built a UTM testing device, so we're doing a scientific shootout with actual numbers!
cool. This gives morkforged-like functionality to other printers.
100% !!
Is it possible to anneal this CF25? Would it give a stronger z-axe strentgh?
Sure, you can anneal just about any polymer -- the question is, will it warp with your part geometry?
killer video boys, i must try this stuff dammmmmmmmmmmmmmm, u think we could put resin over finished part
Do you guys have a PCTG CF when I look your PP CF is labled as PCTG but it is not...?
Error on the website, fixed now! And no, unfortunately no CF PCTG yet :/
Where can I see that printer? Sorry I've been trying to see it but not luck so far
Which printer?
Would a fillament like this work on a bambo lab X1 carbon?
As long as it can reach the required temps, HTN CF25 should be fine
How thick was the vase wall?
The vases are single pass on vase mode. Usually less than 0.5mm.
10:40 - "Huh, weird. That looks like a fixture for mounting a lower by the grip web"... a few seconds later, the label on the part... "CERRO AR-15"
Called it!
What is the density of the HTN-CF25?
1.32 g/cc
What is the difference between this and the PA6-CF and PA12-CF that's on your website? Could you give me the tensile strength of each to compair?
I would also love to see a comparison video, and specifically more scientific tests, instead of saying how it feels to try to break with your hands. Thanks you
What’s a printer that can use this easily
I’m in between this filament and polycarbonate on deciding which to use to print parts that go in an engines intake manifold, replacing abs injection molded pieces. Looking for a solid upgrade path for my ender 3p towards one of these two to not spend money on needless stuff. High temp and high strength preferred
Hi, I am developing a inlet manifold from the Sainsmart eCF-PA which I have printed on a stock Ender 3P, just like you, (probably why we are both watching this!).
I am looking at a similar choice on how to develop my printer - I heard that PC usually needs an enclosure so I will be sticking with the Nylon as that doesn’t need an enclosure and once i run out my current spool I think this filament will be next. Best of luck with yours....
Curious about comparing to 3dxtech cf6
They have a video on that material (assuming you mean PA6+CF): ua-cam.com/video/YO-M3LOJMM4/v-deo.html
If these materials keep getting stiffer you're going to slice your thumbs up when you do that vase test. LOL
What would you recommend as an outer shell for my 2 peddler assist mobile unit? I believe in asking a person in the industry for recommendations. I'm designing it for living on the road going from state to state.
Shoot us an email with files and details, we'll do our best to help!
layer adhesion?
good at the right temperatures, but you still do lose a lot in the z-axis -- check out the data sheet here: visionminer.com/data
What about creep??
I'd love to see a test that replicates the printed item spending a day in a hot car (low bake oven?) or a year in direct sunlight (UV lamp?) - could you add those?
It's happening! We've built a UTM for strengths, and a few jigs to do things exactly like this. Stay posted!
I hereby declare this material the eternal answer to make unthinkably robust toy guns out of!!!!👍👍⚔️⚔️
no offence , i am just getting into 3d printing but i am distracted by the fact you sound like you are about to announce a monster truck rally. Sunday, Sunday ,Sunday.... Good video
"But wait! There's more!"
please address the creep issue with short strand carbon fiber in your comparison :) (see CNCkitchen's recent video on the V0 for more context, i've had CF nylons creep so far it broke my machine)
HTN, ðe base polymer used here, is very creep-resistant
@@Peter_Schluss-Mit-Lustig If there's some data or video on that, it would be nice
Cool and everything but I don't think you can break a 6mm aluminum bar with your thumb. not "black aluminum"
I think you could while it's clamped in a vise like that. Though, I don't think it is quite as strong as aluminum.
If i made a see saw out of it, could my pet grizzly bears have fun with it?
Yes, absolutely. 🐻
wish you guys had a solution for POM printing too xD adhesion wise
HTN is a good replacement, but yeah... POM is a beast!
@@VisionMiner is it as stiff and wear resistance and still have a low friction coefficient? i want it for wear resistant gears/bushings!
@@ameliabuns4058 it should generally work for most POM use-cases
Engine bay parts here I come
This guy reminds me of Andy from the office if he sold coke
Does it come on a metal spool??? If you dry that spool at +90C you will melt that spool. Stiffness does not equal strength. Some flex is better, especially in motorcycle levers.
Following. Would also like to know if these super high temp materials that effectively require a metal spool comes with it
@@richardcox4096 I dont think any materials, anywhere comes on a metal spool. You can dry things on 70-90C. But for some materials you can respool it on a metal spool and dry it on 120C, 160C etc where possible to make the drying process much quicker.
Brake levers need to be stiff and strong. Stiffness reduces hysteresis and provides better rider feed back. Strength prevents death. Nylon composites are either to flexible or too weak for brake levers.
I've said this before and I stand by it, this channel reminds me of an infomercial. Right down to the opening monologue which was literally reading word for word verbatim from the print advertisement. but gave us no real information. And when they had the chance to give us real information what did they do? Told us to go reference the spec sheet on their website. Really? The thing we care about the most you tell us to go look up? In a 20 minute video? And please please enough already with the unscientific totally biased absolutely useless "testing" where you bend something in your hands that were supposed to imagine a strain gauge attached to your muscles? Or shows a bicycle handbrake lever and tell us how strong it is? Strong where? At the pivot joint where it would tear out and be most likely to fail? Or how about at the cable attach point which would be under the most tension and possibly rip out? Come on guys, Make some test coupons put them in a definitive jig and test them/break them and show us the absolute "real" numbers! These videos do everything but say "but wait there's more, and if you order now…" right down to the constant references to where we can purchase these materials on their own website. Maybe that's why you only have 9000 subscribers instead of 900,000 given the number of people who actually own 3D printers.
The bending/breaking by hand is sort of a great idea- not meant to 'give real numbers' but portray general the stiffness and and failure modes of different materials. However, I think he makes the mistake of not comparing to a control material to show the DIFFERENCE in strength with these special materials.
Strength is 148 on the xy and 24 on zx, so you do loose a bit ???? Like 84% less. If that’s a bit then I can’t believe anything else.
But but but!
It's packaged! In a BAG!!!!
Yeah after seeing 5 videos of this guy regurgitating the same stuff (insert name of specific filament for the video) everytime, I lost interest for the other content they always refer to...
O wait... That's usually footage at some congress or 3d printing show meant to sell stuff to customers.
And all you need is a VACUUM CHAMBER to dry the filament! They happen to sell that to.. but you should also get the filament dryer! And...!!!
4 channel advertisements in 4 minutes, I'm watching this for the product, not to be constantly reminded who you are. We know, maybe keep ads to visual so the transitions are not so jarring?
More bendy
This guy seems so familiar. I just can't place who he reminds me of....
Kinda reminds me of Stu from The Hangover
Thought I’d found a good channel for high performance 3D print material tests until I got deep into the video. Lost count on how many times you mentioned your website which leads me to just think this channel is here to sell me something. Makes me not trust anything as it’s all a sales pitch.
Yes, this channel is for the company's marketing. There's some basic useful information presented, but ultimately they are a business trying to attract customers.
Yeah, no shit Sherlock, people want to make money. Even channels that just present technical information are making money via advertising.
Yes cf nylon is amazing stuff, but the "black aluminum" marketing wank needs to die.
We're talkin' about nanotubes here, guy... these are "Quantum" materials. 😉
Yea, snaping or bending a similarly shaped Aluminum bar would be a bit more difficult.
At $175 for only 750g, I'm thinking buying OEM parts is cheaper than printing them with this stuff.
I've been printing for 15 years. Stop the BS and do a strength test on film. Simple.
I wish he could talk like a normal person. Very tiresome to listen to and not cool.