This is a great material! I really liked how you showed example parts and played around with them a bit. The first time I dried this material out of the package it lost 0.1% weight after 24 hours and printed beautifully. 3DXTech says to dry at 90C.
Remember that PA6 holds twice the amount of moisture than normal CF PA filaments, so you will need to dehydrate much longer. I use VisionMiner metal spools so that I can bake my 3DX at 90C. If your prints look "Fuzzy" on the outside, then you have not dehydrated enough.
Late to the game as this video over a year old but.. My concern with this material is all the great properties seem to only hold true if kept in a dry state. Even if starting out as dry as you can get, after printing and left in an open environment it will absorb water and becomes a lot more malleable essentially loosing much of the advantages. How do you prevent this for long term usage? For example over time you will see the material start to flow around bolts or other areas of constant tension.
@Vision Miner You Materials videos are among the best 3d printing content on UA-cam. Thank-you for leading with the CF-PA6, I'm also looking forward to your CF-PA12 video. The materials I find most interesting are those that mostly closely mimic the properties of Aluminum. The more it resembles aluminum, and the easier it is to print, the better. Thank you for the great video.
It becomes more ductile with moisture -- but even zip-ties absorb moisture, so it's not to the point where it fails as a part -- only really important for when you go to melt it through a tiny nozzle :)
What an excellent video - lovely upbeat easy delivery - yet so full of useful wide ranging technical info that is so often missing, that really gives a good idea about what the material is like . Well done and thank you !
Would you be able to do a video like this about PolyMaker CoPa? I've tried both 3dxtech CarbonX and CoPa by polymaker and I find the CoPa to be hands down superior in every regard beside stiffness. Layer adhesion gets to the point of injections molded strength, none of my prints break along the layers if I use 0.1-0.15mm layer height.
Nylon is "tougher" without the carbon --- "less brittle". Basically, nylon won't "break", it will bend. We have a few videos coming soon on other materials that do that, but as soon as we get a pure nylon filament, we'll do another video for sure!
Running SainSmart's carbon fiber nylon. It's a 25/75 ratio. Really strong. Having layer adhesion issues printing on my Ender 3 at 258 C. Also have dried it too. I think I just need more nozzle temp so I'll be installing an all metal hotend soon. Capricorn tubing has been holding up well at 258 C. Changed my max temp up to 300 C in Marlin so going to try 270 C after I install the all metal hotend and retune the PIDs. Using 80 C on glass bed with glue stick. Parts print fine but the layers like to come apart after the print is finished.
How well did you dry the filament? Sometimes that will affect layer adhesion, but speed and temperatures can also be a major factor. Is the SainSmart based on Nylon6 or Nylon12? We print Nylon12 up to 320c if we're going faster, it's an interesting mix...
Much stiffer than plain onyx --- also stiffer than onyx with fiberglass -- not quite as stiff as onyx with in-layed carbon fiber strands. We have samples of all of them, and should do a comparison video soon :)
Didn't know it was legal to have that much fun over in CA. hah! Nice vid! Is that stuff chopped fiber like other CarbonX or powder like Markforged/NylonX/Polymaker CF-PA? How small a nozzle have you had it work through?
Owens Corning XSTRAND® GF30-PA6 has 7,400Mpa tensile modulus and 102Mpa tensile strength, compared to the CarbonX™ Carbon Fiber Nylon (Gen3) which has 3,800Mpa tensile modulus and 63Mpa tensile strength. The Corning one is clearly stronger plus its supported on Ultimaker Cura - is the CarbonX easier to print or has some different benefit?
We're going to have to test this -- we're doing a CF Nylon shootout with what we have in-house, on tensile testing machines, and we'll be doing a cross-brand comparison in the future! Make sure you're subscribed, we're printing a lot of tensile bars right now :)
Depends on your hotend and printer setup, but print two small towers an inch apart, and try different settings as it moves up -- anywhere from 1mm-3mm on direct drive, or 2-15mm for bowden. However, if you're not drying the nylon enough, it will ooze like crazy -- check out this article: visionminer.com/pages/drying-filament
Thank you for showing me this! Was about to go the 3DX CF-PC for my engine bay projects but this will work. The NylonX from matterhackers was quite flexible at 110C which was unfortunate Is it paintable after sanding if I wanted to do a high temp coating that matched engine bay color themes for customers?
I printed this stuff on my prusa i3mk3 , it is amazingly stiff and rigide, and does not warp at all, after having dryed it in an oven for 6 hours at 80degre celsius it printed very well, only i needed to reduce the flow rate from 95% to 90%, the other material the amide x (glas fibre reinforced nylon from 3dxtech) warps much more and i get less nice prints , the amide x oozes a lot ,
I'd love to see how this compares to the Essentium HTN-CF25 that we use at work, it's a legitimate replacement for some aluminum alloys but I'd love to find a cheaper replacement that performs just as well.
Any chance you guys will start selling 3DXTECH ASA/CF-ASA? I'd love to see you guys put the 3DXTECH ASA filaments through these same tests or offer some sample prints of these materials for consumers to test. 🙂
These were all printed with 0.4mm nozzles at 0.2mm layer heights. PA6, on the Funmat HT, was genearlly 70mm/s, but on the new 22 IDEX we're going much faster :) www.visionminer.com/22idex
Thanks for the Video...I just ordered a spool and hardened nozzle as well as the adhesive. I print Sim Racing parts and I think my customers will love the high strength cool looking parts! Using a Prusa MK3+ with a surround enclosure.
How long would a print have to be before I need to consider keeping the filament dry DURING a print? My printer is in an enclosure but the spool is outside the enclosure in open air. Would it be sufficient to keep it in a "dry box" during a print? Thanks for the information on these truly useful engineering grade materials!
Funny 3dxtech said no drying for this material out of the box needed only after and only takes ten min to pull in h20 but I agree dry it save the scrap...
Okay, did get a 50g sample of this stuff finaly. Pretty brittle as a filament, not so got for tight bending radii on filament path. BUT WTH IS THE STUFF TOUGH and strong as a part. I do printed Fillamentum Nylon CF15 until, wich is pretty soft in comparison. Printed a M16 nut in both brands with a resolution of 0.1mm at 6 perimeters, 7top/bottom, 50%infill in normal laying position. Torqued them until they break. The Fillamentum dident get 20Nm, but CarbonX got to 55Nm and failed on the way to 60Nm, wich was mindblowing to me. And this PA6CF was way easyer to print. Good stuff, for real 😎 will buy a roll soon
@@VisionMiner He will be happier and live longer for it, nothing is as exhausting as politics.....well maybe 3d printing engineering grade filaments on hobby printers.
Biggist kick in the gutts for 3d printing comunity in history. News today from Thingiverse They end the following Payment support. "Non for New Zealand. Ends Tips. Ends sales of 3d print files on site. Ends sales of prints on site. And the biggest of all is the licence sales market has been halted. Ends licence transfers and ssles. "Thats my big area." Ends support to inform when moderation happens. Ends support to inform of a reason for moderatuon. Ends support even if reason for moderation is baisless public common pointless complaint. Ends support for appeals. Ends support to get a working exact text sesrch engine. Ends support for search engine with filter by oldest first for bisness use. Ends any and all support for Thingiverse or its comunity. Thingiverse had chosen to allow moderation on some of my things that others may do and are doing. Ive been singled out clearly. 2 billion dollars in 3d print licences now unable to sell as they are stopping support and services and money from being generated. Thingiverse as a market has been halted as of today. Support has ended. Bisness use oh man. Someone purchased site to do this. Thingiverse makerbot stratasys ark invest may be owners. Is this supporting the 3d printing the comunity. What support should i feel they earned from this? From Will of Will and Mr Data :] :(
@@circleofowls is that it? Is that all you got? Just one working tip account? Twitter? Are twitter Makerbot Support emails? Try licence trading market. The licences them selves get sold. Well had done. Thats my line of main biz. Many years ago i joined in on 3d printing.. i printed pegs and yoda heads. But its much bigger. The prints can be sold yes if thingivetse allow your country to make payments, New Zealand.So anyway The files rented out or Selling copies of files, then ..after yoda heads and pegs are ....the licences them selves. Lets say i am the king of 3d print licences and have " tea earl grey hot" 3d print licence and lets say i sell it to you. Youd now have it in your user name account with original upload date of creation correct. In the email i got not twitter i believe from what i read that market aint now operating and services now nil. If im right they didnt support telling you much. Nor anyone else. I noticed cause im in the licence trading area i may have got to the top of this game a few times with nice licences but im one of many in the comunity who may yet to realise there thing licence can be sold as they are still on yoda heads which are cool. Most publisity is going into reviews of new printers. Buy a printer. Buy filament. Join thing upload comunity. Licence things. Sell print. Sell print file copies.....Sell the licence. Own tea earl grey hot and be the first 3d printing licence king. Built up from 1 dolkar listng to 2 billion all licences included. I am just one in a global comunity of users there. first or not. First feelng the burn. If someone can prove me wrong we all get our jobs back and markets continues yaye.
I really enjoyed this one. Seeing you work with the material and play a bit gave me a really good understanding of the kinds of places I might put it.
This is a great material! I really liked how you showed example parts and played around with them a bit. The first time I dried this material out of the package it lost 0.1% weight after 24 hours and printed beautifully. 3DXTech says to dry at 90C.
Remember that PA6 holds twice the amount of moisture than normal CF PA filaments, so you will need to dehydrate much longer. I use VisionMiner metal spools so that I can bake my 3DX at 90C. If your prints look "Fuzzy" on the outside, then you have not dehydrated enough.
100%!
How long and at what temp do you bake yours?
Late to the game as this video over a year old but.. My concern with this material is all the great properties seem to only hold true if kept in a dry state. Even if starting out as dry as you can get, after printing and left in an open environment it will absorb water and becomes a lot more malleable essentially loosing much of the advantages. How do you prevent this for long term usage? For example over time you will see the material start to flow around bolts or other areas of constant tension.
Lol, watching this while drying some cf-pa
@Vision Miner You Materials videos are among the best 3d printing content on UA-cam. Thank-you for leading with the CF-PA6, I'm also looking forward to your CF-PA12 video. The materials I find most interesting are those that mostly closely mimic the properties of Aluminum. The more it resembles aluminum, and the easier it is to print, the better. Thank you for the great video.
Thank you! LOTS more of these videos on the way, already in editing!
I recently printed some motorcycle parts out of this and it is impressively strong
does it lose strength because of moisture?
It becomes more ductile with moisture -- but even zip-ties absorb moisture, so it's not to the point where it fails as a part -- only really important for when you go to melt it through a tiny nozzle :)
What an excellent video - lovely upbeat easy delivery - yet so full of useful wide ranging technical info that is so often missing, that really gives a good idea about what the material is like . Well done and thank you !
Thank you so much! More to come!
Would you be able to do a video like this about PolyMaker CoPa? I've tried both 3dxtech CarbonX and CoPa by polymaker and I find the CoPa to be hands down superior in every regard beside stiffness. Layer adhesion gets to the point of injections molded strength, none of my prints break along the layers if I use 0.1-0.15mm layer height.
Sorry but also run fan on/off, if on speed?
All metal Hot end recommendations for a anycubic kobra max
Can you please compare this to CF-PC
Shooting that video this week! :)
Was just about to ask
Like wise was just about to ask to for comparison and where you would use one vs the other.
can you show a comparison in strength between nylon and nylon carbon fibre? someone has told me the nylon is stronger without the carbon
Nylon is "tougher" without the carbon --- "less brittle". Basically, nylon won't "break", it will bend. We have a few videos coming soon on other materials that do that, but as soon as we get a pure nylon filament, we'll do another video for sure!
Running SainSmart's carbon fiber nylon. It's a 25/75 ratio. Really strong. Having layer adhesion issues printing on my Ender 3 at 258 C. Also have dried it too. I think I just need more nozzle temp so I'll be installing an all metal hotend soon. Capricorn tubing has been holding up well at 258 C. Changed my max temp up to 300 C in Marlin so going to try 270 C after I install the all metal hotend and retune the PIDs.
Using 80 C on glass bed with glue stick. Parts print fine but the layers like to come apart after the print is finished.
How well did you dry the filament? Sometimes that will affect layer adhesion, but speed and temperatures can also be a major factor. Is the SainSmart based on Nylon6 or Nylon12? We print Nylon12 up to 320c if we're going faster, it's an interesting mix...
How does this compare to Onyx in stiffness and strength?
Much stiffer than plain onyx --- also stiffer than onyx with fiberglass -- not quite as stiff as onyx with in-layed carbon fiber strands. We have samples of all of them, and should do a comparison video soon :)
Didn't know it was legal to have that much fun over in CA. hah! Nice vid! Is that stuff chopped fiber like other CarbonX or powder like Markforged/NylonX/Polymaker CF-PA? How small a nozzle have you had it work through?
That's exactly the question I have. I'm printing small stuff and wonder if a 0.3 nozzle will work with the cf.
We’ve had great results with a 0.2mm, albeit more jams, and it’s 100% chopped fibers, no powder here! :)
Your HVAC thingy is actually a mass airflow housing for automotive use.
Owens Corning XSTRAND® GF30-PA6 has 7,400Mpa tensile modulus and 102Mpa tensile strength, compared to the CarbonX™ Carbon Fiber Nylon (Gen3) which has 3,800Mpa tensile modulus and 63Mpa tensile strength. The Corning one is clearly stronger plus its supported on Ultimaker Cura - is the CarbonX easier to print or has some different benefit?
We're going to have to test this -- we're doing a CF Nylon shootout with what we have in-house, on tensile testing machines, and we'll be doing a cross-brand comparison in the future! Make sure you're subscribed, we're printing a lot of tensile bars right now :)
@@VisionMiner Awesome thanks, that's exactly what I was looking for - subscribed!
What’s the retraction setting? I’m getting a lot of oozing for some reason
Depends on your hotend and printer setup, but print two small towers an inch apart, and try different settings as it moves up -- anywhere from 1mm-3mm on direct drive, or 2-15mm for bowden. However, if you're not drying the nylon enough, it will ooze like crazy -- check out this article: visionminer.com/pages/drying-filament
Thank you for showing me this! Was about to go the 3DX CF-PC for my engine bay projects but this will work. The NylonX from matterhackers was quite flexible at 110C which was unfortunate
Is it paintable after sanding if I wanted to do a high temp coating that matched engine bay color themes for customers?
If you want something even more rigid, check out HTN CF25! www.visionminer.com/htncf25 --- video coming very soon :)
Also, yes, you can paint, epoxy, and apply other finishes to it :)
@@VisionMiner thank you! Trying to offer new products to my customers and innovate my build. Not quite ready for the Funmat yet 😘
@@VisionMiner Looking forward to that video.
I printed this stuff on my prusa i3mk3 , it is amazingly stiff and rigide, and does not warp at all, after having dryed it in an oven for 6 hours at 80degre celsius it printed very well, only i needed to reduce the flow rate from 95% to 90%,
the other material the amide x (glas fibre reinforced nylon from 3dxtech) warps much more and i get less nice prints , the amide x oozes a lot ,
I'd love to see how this compares to the Essentium HTN-CF25 that we use at work, it's a legitimate replacement for some aluminum alloys but I'd love to find a cheaper replacement that performs just as well.
Comparison videos on the way! Make sure to subscribe if you aren't already :)
Any chance you guys will start selling 3DXTECH ASA/CF-ASA? I'd love to see you guys put the 3DXTECH ASA filaments through these same tests or offer some sample prints of these materials for consumers to test. 🙂
Probably in the near future, we've got to make it through the crazy materials first :)
what size nozzle are you using? and what speed are you running it on? layer height?
These were all printed with 0.4mm nozzles at 0.2mm layer heights. PA6, on the Funmat HT, was genearlly 70mm/s, but on the new 22 IDEX we're going much faster :) www.visionminer.com/22idex
Hey Rob. Looked in comments to see ideal print speed but did not see any. Do you have a speed to print?
What were these parts printed with?
These were printed on the Funmat HT
Thanks for the Video...I just ordered a spool and hardened nozzle as well as the adhesive. I print Sim Racing parts and I think my customers will love the high strength cool looking parts! Using a Prusa MK3+ with a surround enclosure.
Thank you!! Yes, definitely a great application -- we do some of that here, too!
This is over my head.
With time you shall achieve mastery
Hey what temps are you printing this at? I've been having some crazy stringing (its dry). Printing at 260°C. too much?
How long would a print have to be before I need to consider keeping the filament dry DURING a print? My printer is in an enclosure but the spool is outside the enclosure in open air. Would it be sufficient to keep it in a "dry box" during a print? Thanks for the information on these truly useful engineering grade materials!
My dumb ass would say 4 hours
Want to use this filament in my artillery x1. What is it going to take?
250-270 on the nozzle, good bed adhesive and heat, and you’re golden!
Question, how well does the CF Nylon work as a bearing for a piece of steel pipe? Great video I subscribed
I don't think CF nylon would make a good bearing given the abrasive nature of CF. Regular nylon would be a much better bet.
Funny 3dxtech said no drying for this material out of the box needed only after and only takes ten min to pull in h20 but I agree dry it save the scrap...
Hey Rob could you do the same test with ultem 9085 and 1010?????!!!!!! we would love to see the results of this
Videos already in post production, coming very soon!
Atta boi can't wait Thanks for your time cheers
Okay, did get a 50g sample of this stuff finaly. Pretty brittle as a filament, not so got for tight bending radii on filament path. BUT WTH IS THE STUFF TOUGH and strong as a part. I do printed Fillamentum Nylon CF15 until, wich is pretty soft in comparison. Printed a M16 nut in both brands with a resolution of 0.1mm at 6 perimeters, 7top/bottom, 50%infill in normal laying position. Torqued them until they break. The Fillamentum dident get 20Nm, but CarbonX got to 55Nm and failed on the way to 60Nm, wich was mindblowing to me. And this PA6CF was way easyer to print. Good stuff, for real 😎 will buy a roll soon
ok, so I need to dry this stuff.
This is better than matterhackers nylonx IMHO. Seems stronger and less brittle
Killer video love this stuff
=O I want that
8:36 I couldn't.
😂😂 It was actually a slot for an aluminum shaft inside a box
@@VisionMiner 😄 wouldn't have guessed
Glad to see Josh Hawley got a cool new job after he humiliated himself as a senator from Missouri.
Had to look that one up, and the resemblance is striking lol. Rob's not big on politics, though, maybe that's why? 😂😂😅
@@VisionMiner He will be happier and live longer for it, nothing is as exhausting as politics.....well maybe 3d printing engineering grade filaments on hobby printers.
Biggist kick in the gutts for 3d printing comunity in history.
News today from Thingiverse
They end the following
Payment support. "Non for New Zealand.
Ends Tips.
Ends sales of 3d print files on site.
Ends sales of prints on site.
And the biggest of all is the licence sales market has been halted.
Ends licence transfers and ssles.
"Thats my big area."
Ends support to inform when moderation happens.
Ends support to inform of a reason for moderatuon.
Ends support even if reason for moderation is baisless public common pointless complaint.
Ends support for appeals.
Ends support to get a working exact text sesrch engine.
Ends support for search engine with filter by oldest first for bisness use.
Ends any and all support for Thingiverse or its comunity.
Thingiverse had chosen to allow moderation on some of my things that others may do and are doing. Ive been singled out clearly.
2 billion dollars in 3d print licences now unable to sell as they are stopping support and services and money from being generated.
Thingiverse as a market has been halted as of today.
Support has ended.
Bisness use oh man.
Someone purchased site to do this.
Thingiverse makerbot stratasys ark invest may be owners.
Is this supporting the 3d printing the comunity. What support should i feel they earned from this?
From Will of Will and Mr Data :]
:(
Oyeeeee wow, no bueno!
@@VisionMiner ive emailed Mr Musk and Mr Bezos asking if they can buy it and get services operational again. Im asking if anyone else can also.
Where did you see this? There is nothing on Thingiverse, no email and nothing on Twitter. My tip link still works fine.
@@circleofowls is that it? Is that all you got? Just one working tip account?
Twitter? Are twitter Makerbot Support emails?
Try licence trading market. The licences them selves get sold.
Well had done. Thats my line of main biz. Many years ago i joined in on 3d printing.. i printed pegs and yoda heads. But its much bigger. The prints can be sold yes if thingivetse allow your country to make payments, New Zealand.So anyway The files rented out or Selling copies of files, then ..after yoda heads and pegs are ....the licences them selves. Lets say i am the king of 3d print licences and have " tea earl grey hot" 3d print licence and lets say i sell it to you. Youd now have it in your user name account with original upload date of creation correct. In the email i got not twitter i believe from what i read that market aint now operating and services now nil. If im right they didnt support telling you much. Nor anyone else.
I noticed cause im in the licence trading area i may have got to the top of this game a few times with nice licences but im one of many in the comunity who may yet to realise there thing licence can be sold as they are still on yoda heads which are cool.
Most publisity is going into reviews of new printers. Buy a printer. Buy filament. Join thing upload comunity. Licence things. Sell print. Sell print file copies.....Sell the licence.
Own tea earl grey hot and be the first 3d printing licence king.
Built up from 1 dolkar listng to 2 billion all licences included.
I am just one in a global comunity of users there. first or not. First feelng the burn.
If someone can prove me wrong we all get our jobs back and markets continues yaye.
@@VisionMineras you said oyeeeee. Ah ha.
Which nozzle for this on our Makerbot X?