Hi guys, hope you enjoyed our 2 part superbike shootout test. To see part 1, please check out here - ua-cam.com/video/H7xXZydkX2Q/v-deo.html. Let us know what you think and which one you'd choose!
I would choose the GSXR because my ear has an issue telling RPM based on sound with the flat plain R1 and V twins that I ride. I also prefer the aggressive power delivery of the GSXR. It's a feeling you get when riding them.
What an epic few days riding both bikes. Amazing to be part of this project and compare these two bikes. Hope everyone enjoyed our 2-part Superbike shootout!
Can it be that Jeff had something with his bike? Cause I own a 2020 Gixxer and never had 1 single problem with the handling when riding hard. I always felt that it handles amazing and the electronics do their job good, plus it has savage power! Nice videos guys i enjoyed them both. 👍🏼
Thanks Jeffrey, glad you enjoyed. The bike was new and working fine. Even in the comments section in this video, there are other owners reporting the same issues and we've spoke to many owners (mainly track day riders/ racers) who discovered the same thing. Thanks, Aaron KNOX
What a beautiful video. As a father of two young boys myself the ending really touched me. How lucky to share the passion across so many generations. Sportbikes forever you could not say it any better ty. PS R1 hands down because power without control is useless.
Many thanks, so appreciate the kind feedback! Was unsure about ending it like that as the internet can be a cruel place, but glad you appreciate it 🙏. Aaron Knox
I have seen alot of roll racing of gsxr 1000.... And no one has ever complained about the handling.. 1st time hearing that there's "something" the gsxr
Thanks, but even in the comments section here there are other owners reporting the same thing... we've spoken to quite a few track day riders/racers who report the same thing. Thanks, Aaron KNOX
Ending was fantastic, great to see your dad with you & your kids. I didn't realise your dad was a racer. Thankfully he survived that Suzuki tank slapper!!!
Thanks a lot! Yes he was pretty successful back in the day and thats how knox was started up. 100% v lucky to walk away from crash, but as an ex racer it certainly wasnt his first, though hopefully thr last 😀. Thanks Aaron Knox
These are easily the best set of videos you've turned out in my view. Even inspired me to put a deposit down on a new R1 and do a few track days this year.
Thanks very much for your kind feedback! Enjoy your R1, the new one is even better than the one featured in this video with quite a lot more power. Thanks, Aaron KNOX
My brother had a GSX-R 750 and had told me that bike has wobbled,and tried to highside and other wonky unexpected and undesirable traits. All this happening in less than a year. He had a Yamaha 1000 and went back to Yamaha . After me wanting a Suzuki GSX-R for year's this made drop them from my want to buy list immediately. He literally complained everytime he got home from riding the Suzuki GSX-R saying he couldn't ride as hard as he did his Yamaha 🤷
@@alphacapo Your showing your lack of experience. I raced both have experience. The Gixxer 750 will always out handle a 1000 regardless which one. With a capable rider the 750 will always be more agile and nimble. Before commenting know your stuff, making yourself look pretty stupid
Knox productions are tippity top notch. Love the quality and insights. Even got a chance to fondle some of the Knox gear in local Revzilla stores here in Newport Beach, CA! Very nice kit...
Excellent work. I really appreciate the set up advice on the GSX - on all the reviews I've seen so far , no one has picked that up and it's the greatest concern I have (headshake), nearly everything else I can account for.. Thanks again.
Thanks a lot. In fairness others have mentioned it in their videos, mcn, lamb chops, 44teeth (briefly)... but we've obviously had a more severe experience and have been much more brutally honest about it. Hopefully it was helpful as it is the most dangerous type of accident, full gas, full speed etc. Thanks Aaron Knox
Hello Knox! i'm Robson from Brazil it really impress me the quality of the video like nobody else can do it, so thank you so much for the richeness of each details.
This was a amazing video to watch. Just subbed. I have the Yamaha R1, but I'm a huge GSXR 1000 fan, super gutted Suzuki pulled out and stop making them.
Enjoyed the video. There are fast guys doing incredible lap times on the stock GSXR, and I personally owned 1 for 2 years in stock form, sure the shock was a bit too soft and does like to shake the bars under acceleration but it was never dangerous to me.
The torque of GSXR is just nuts, and its aggressive af.. But man what is just lit is the top end vvt kicks it and its just like silence before the strome....
@@brianbrooks5947 Suzuki engines is known for relaiable and bulletproof the amount of mods that vcan do in suzuki engines is endless compared to kawasaki, yamaha etc
Absolutely brilliant bloody video guys!!! I loved it all! From beginning to end! Aaron Travel & Olly Milton, thank you guys soo much and thank you Knox Armour. But most of y’all the camera crew! They did an outstanding job! Thank you for going into details about each bike and that to expect. I said it before, and I’m saying again, I’m a YZF person. I’m with “Olly” 😂 It’s what I learned on and I’m continuing to do. I’ve ridden other manufactures, but Yamaha is for me. Once, again keep up the great awesome videos Aaron and Olly. I just wish you guys had more good hot weather like we do here. As for Aaron, next time, be well hydrate, stretch like there’s no tomorrow and drink plenty of “PICKLE JUICE” believe me, it will save your life. No cramps. Drink plenty of it..🤣👍🏿 My condolences to the pass of y’all’s Queen Elizabeth RIP❗️❤ All the way here from Austin, Tx U.S.A
Sorry, is it not possible that Geoff wasn't riding properly at the time or are we to assume he always is perfect? I sound snarky but I'm not trying to be. To label all stock GSXR1000's as death traps is a bit extreme just because your buddy had a crash. I've seen a lot of tank slappers at tracks with all brands.
Fair comment and not snarky 😀. Of course he doesn't ride perfect, but being an ex national level racer, he is competent... however the point is, and 1 that i personally very much believe in, is that you should be able to go full gas on a modern sportsbike on a straight and not risk a potentially life threatening tank slapper. We've spoken to many modern gsxr1000 owners who have reported the same thing, either with v near misses or were simply unable to ride the bike properly without suspension/damper upgrades. Talking to our suspension technician who is a technician for many racers, he said its clear the damper didnt do anything. Ive ridden the bike myself in stock form and it is unstable when ridden hard. Proof in the pudding is, with the upgrades weve done to suspension and proper steering damper, the bike is rock solid and is awesome now 👌. In contrast, the R1 was safe and stable even in stock form. Hope that all makes sense. Thanks Aaron Knox
@@KnoxArmour Own exact same bike, which I bought brand new for track bike. First time out in stock trim at Cadwell had a full on 100mph + tank slap accelerating hard out of Barn onto start / finish straight. Completely uncontrollable, lock stop to lock stop, for considerable distance. Managed to save it, but GSXR-R definitely unstable in stock form. Sorted now, and awesome bike, but take the advice anyone thinking of tracking one of these. I was actually at Snet the day Geoff had his off, nice to see the bike restored 👍
@@Matatay Thanks mate. Restoring it was a big job, but worth it in the end and we learned a lot along the way... Its now awesome and ready for anything! All the best, Aaron KNOX
I've had my 750 for a bout 5 years now road the track 3 or 4 times and love the look of the new 1000 plus the weight savings on it too but now after watching this I'm a bit hesitant.
750 is awesome and the perfect balance of power and handling, still love mine! There won't be that much difference in terms of pure lap times, but the 1000 is a massive step up in power and you definitely have to manage that! Aaron KNOX
What a Video ! You put that...ache in the video that bikers go through on seeing a King lose his crown due to the recent "developments" in the industry. A brilliant comparo between 2 Monsters who will always be in their Prime, no matter how the industry changes, or who comes to Challenge them. Cross-plane and K5 Lover.
This two-part review has been outstanding - seems like a new benchmark has been set for production values. Loved the ending - very poignant. ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ More of this sort of stuff please! 👍
Great video, thank you all. For me, the R1 would be the one to have. I currently have a GSXR 750 and I would like to have an electric safety blanket on track😉
i had the same wobble issue on my gsxs1000f, i figured out that the traction control causes the problem when accelerating by cutting the power when the wheel is light. after it happened a few times i just left TC off and never had an issue again
I cut my teeth on gixer slabby slabs back in the 80s/early 90's and now I'm on my 8th R1 (R1M). I'm an Aprilia/Yamaha guy for the noise, power delivery, looks etc..... great video!
Awesome video enjoyed both street and track versions, especially enjoyed the last couple of minutes of the track version with Geoff Travell(probably because it included a couple of aussie racers Wayne Gardner and Jeff Sayle)great stuff .
Thanks. As per episode 1, these are our own bikes and thats kind of the point of the series, they are our own and not from a press fleet. Believe the 2020+ R1 has revised engine work which makes it more powerful in race spec, but the bike is similar in road trim with the extra emissions restrictions needed to pass the tough new EURO 5 regulations. Most of the rest of the bike is pretty much the same. Thanks, Aaron KNOX
INCREDIBLE very objective films - you guys have very much confirmed - these bikes have so much power the GSXR having a Flat Plane crank with even firing interval -perfect Primary balance minor secondary imbalance but it puts 4 separate power pulses at the back wheel - most powerful making it a real handful, the R1 very rare Cross Plane crank uneven firing interval Primary imbalance is not so good but is balanced out with a extra balance shaft but has good secondary balance but less power but what this achieves is 2 power pulses at the back wheel (2 off contraindicated by each other) this makes it so much easier to ride so hats off to Yamaha having the courage to design a more complicated engine with some disadvantages to achieve 1 key advantage - its far easier to ride - similar to big bang engines. You can actually hear the engine sound difference on the track videos, so ultimate excitement with risk GSXR, easier riding & probably faster for most R1. (currently ride GSXR1000K1 160HP that's easy to manage) Excellent review thanks
I had bikes in my younger days i had a gsx750 in the 1980s i now got Audi V10 R8 spyder 600hp and the speed is awsum and never felt acseration like it. Ive never put my foot to the floor in any gear. Id love to see how it do next to ur bikes. I love Yamaha and Suzuki bikes.
I am looking for a trackday bike atm, I have been riding my S1000XR around the track up until now which is great, but the riding position doesn't lend itself to further my goal of better body position and knee down etc, I am sure you can knee down all day long on one, but a proper sports bike is where I believe I want to be now ?? Thinking of an older R1 / Gixer 1000 ? K5 /2005 era ? any thoughts ? I ride with all the crap turned off on my XR, and don't find it fast or intimidating tbh, been riding 35+years tho.
Great clip and great bikes😃👍 I have a 2011 GSXR 750 and love it. Do you think it's worth upgrading to a GSXR 1000. I mostly ride on the road and sometimes take the bike to the drag strip for a bit of fun. Thoughts?
@timdavie158 gsxr 750 one of best bikes of all time. With right set up, gearing suspension and brake upgrades is awesome 👌. Perfect blend of power, handling. Just awesome. Gsxr1000 is similar, just with a LOT more power and its exciting. But you've got to be some rider to really extract the difference. Hope that helps, Aaron Knox
Awesome thanks for the reply. Thats what i was thinking too, I've dropped one tooth of the front sprocket and went up 2 on the back sprocket and its made it a lot more fun. Brakes are next😃👍@KnoxArmour
I'm racing on the Gixxer this year and loving it .A lot of work done on the bike from stock though inc. suspension, steering damper, drop the gearing slightly and run the rear axle as far back as you can gives better stability, Full system and mapped makes throttle response a lot better and less snatchy, TC remapped to suit track better but I still dont trust it entirely.
I have a Street Triple R. It’s awesome. I’d kicked the R1. I like Yamaha’s and I just love the sound of the cross plane. I want to get an R1 next in 2024 or maybe even a RSV4
I really agree with what you said about the stock gsxr-1000 suspension, I have basically the same bike but still stock rear suspension and stock damper... There's been a few scary moments, mainly head shake/wobble. The way it wheelies so easy exiting corners, etc, and the way it's stiff and somewhat unpredictable (to me anyways) it has definitely contributed to a couple death wobbles. Group I used to ride with pretty much all have newer r1s or r1m's, and they look at me like I don't know how to ride because I got a death wobble. I rode a BMW s1000rr with no steering damper for almost 3 months, got it down low in corners, popped wheelies... Never thought it was unpredictable or like I didn't know how it would react over a rough road. It felt telepathic, if I wanted it to go left, it went left. If I wanted right? It went right. Never wobbled on me, no tank slapper moments. The gsxr? Well, I've got an aftermarket damper waiting to go on, and I've already turned it almost completely stiff. That constant flighty/light feeling is definitely not my favorite, and probably only contributes to it's extreme willingness to enter a wobble for any reason at all. Also noticed that the stock damper let's it get wild for a second or two before the electronics intervene and stiffen it up. Roll raced and leaving the concrete strip and entering the asphalt strip both I and my buddys zx10 suffered a bit of head shake. Where mine basically started death wobbling and I had to wait and ride it out before the damper stiffened and helped me out, my buddies zx10 wobbled a couple times and that was it. So basically...stock electronic damper is trash. Throw away, even the cheap adjustable one I have as a backup from Amazon is stiffer and more solid feeling. $39.99 as well... That's my two cents. As far as the power of the bike, if you had the suspension to put the power down? Well, the r1 would be hard pressed to keep up. If it could at All... I have one to beat right now actually. But putting on the damper and adjusting my rear shock first, I like riding bikes that feel planted and stable ish at least. I feel much better about full throttle as well. Otherwise I just have to let him win because I prize my bike and my life over beating just one guy. One of those I know I can but what are the consequences type of things...last time we ran I just had to let him go. 🤷 Is what it is. If the bike feels off, or like it's gonna randomly death wobble without reason, I'll let out and slow down. Thanks for the thorough reviews guys. Enjoyed!
Thanks and of course 100% agree. These are big powerful motorcycles and need to be safe and stable to have 100% confidence. A tank slapper crash is so so dangerous. Thanks, Aaron KNOX
Had a Triumph Daytona 955i, did those tank slapps under heavy acceleration. Had a huge crash in second gear. My opinion, bikes that do that have a poor frame design. Get rid of it.
@@EEEBA1 agreed. I tried to explain that to some fellow gsxr and r1 guys and they just don't... Understand. Plus they all say it's euro trash 😂 I tried though. And yes ride safe for sure 👍
@@shaneflutsch2270 They have to ride it to experience it. The talk about all the European bikes being bad is from 1990's or early 2000's lol. (It used to be true at one point) The handling on the RR is almost telepathic. It simply reads your mind and goes where you think it should go and it's very stable. No need to upgrade things to make it great :)
So what is the aftermarket gsxr chassis? Is it the same as a stock chassis, is it made of the same materials, is it a completely different chassis, etc
Looks like the gixxer is the better “all around” bike on ergos and MPG alone - a good rider likely can make up for other differences between the two. Yammie is less compromising and more raw to me.
Real question here on a good CC to start track riding, Would you learn more on smaller CC bikes like the R3 or KTM 390 or would the 750 be better ( I own a 2015 GSXR 750 ) ? I have never done a track day and would love to improve my riding skills more than just go fast.
Take your 750, its the best 👌. Need something fast enough so that the guys on bigger bikes dont pass uou at a million mph which is scary, 750 works well. With a 750 you can go from learning to being the fastest guy at the track day. Thanks Aaron Knox
Tbf, they said the gsxr1000 feels better than the r1 because it has top spec aftermarket suspension, and the R1 is better when you compare them in stock form...that the gsxr1000 is dangerous in stock form if you push it at the track. And that if both had aftermarket investment, they would likely be about the same. The comparison in the video isn't a fair one, and they tell it isn't a fair one. So, if you just want to buy a bike to use at the track in stock form, buy the R1. And, if you want to buy a bike for a track build, buy either one. Suspension will cost you about $5k.
No the 1000 l7+ is a totally revised motorcycle and is a different frame. Its quite a different animal than before, more power + electronics etc. Thanks, Aaron KNOX
62° lean angle on a stock gsxr1000? Idk, I call bullshit on that. But still great videos guys and I'd go for a V4s on super corsa tires myself but 🤷🏾♂️
Prefer a Hayabusa over both of them. Having said that, I think the R1 has the advantage as the better and more pure track bike. However, I would go for the GSX-R 1000, because it is better, more comfortable and practical bike for riding on public roads.
the guy asked the other guy which bike would he choose between both of these 2 1000cc bikes and the one guy says none and he would start on a 750cc. hello! he`s asking about the two1000cc bikes next to you and he`s not asking about a 750cc.
He asked which bike to choose for new riders, and I answered neither, because honestly, they'll get you into trouble. Better to learn on a smaller machine. Thanks, Aaron KNOX
@@KnoxArmour I ride a 2020 gsx-s1000 so I can’t attest to it, since you guys did the seat time. But I’ve been doing research since I want to trade bike in for the gsxr.. Per Suzuki: Changes from 2017 to 2020 for the base gsxr1000. Quick shifter is standard and revisions to the front disc for less fade. Modes: C mode reduces torque and hp across all revs, B mode 100%torque and fueling tapers off right before the engines VVT is engaged, A mode 100% everything. Traction 10-5 wheelie control is engaged and 4-off: no wheelie control. As I have not tested myself, I can’t say if it’s accurate. Thank you for the video, it helped me to decide to trade in for the gsxr
@downlowgo_401 Nice one, you'll love it. 😆 Definitely, the wheelie control is there in those lower tc modes. It only doesn't interfere around 1-2... The problem is, i wouldn't trust exactly what it's doing, its just that sort of bike, bot like the R1 which you can lean on much more 😂... Another thing, from 2019 onwards, the engines got more power. Not an official thing, but there is an undisclosed update in the engine that adds about another 4-5hp at the rear wheel... Hope that all helps. Aaron Knox
@@KnoxArmour thank you. Yes I have been finding the 202 horsepower here and there for the newer models.. vs the 198 listed for the previous. My gsx-s katana right now is making 160 hp at the wheel with some pretty heavy upgrades and Dyno time. I’d expect the factory gsx-r to make similar wheel power but with a much more aggressive top end. I love my gsx-s , but I just want a little more 🤙🏼 I appreciate the information it’s very helpful
I don't understand why there isn't a glove with impact protection for the wrist, and more a wrist brace and extra sliding parts. Dual sport enduro trail mountainbike and even BMX could use such a glove.. There are a few options with a skateboarding impact brace but then have a bad quality glove. Make that product Plx
I take offence in Knox producing such good looking and (presumably very safe) racing leathers AND don't sell any. Of course there's reasons behind it but would know produce a one piece or 2 piece leather I'd buy one to wear while I'm on my yellow TL 1000 R.
You must take Guintoli's content with a massive pinch of salt. Reality is, he was a Suzuki employee and is a world class rider... and the bike did not stay stock for very long at all, he changed the full suspension very early on. I have spoken to many racers who have ridden the stock GSXR and say it is almost un-rideable, just like we did. Thanks, Aaron KNOX
Hi guys, hope you enjoyed our 2 part superbike shootout test. To see part 1, please check out here - ua-cam.com/video/H7xXZydkX2Q/v-deo.html. Let us know what you think and which one you'd choose!
Both Sir.
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As a GSXR1000R enjoyer, this is truly the moment of all time
Agreed!! 😁
Suzuki GSXR every time for me. Superb handling and a powerful motor.
I would choose the GSXR because my ear has an issue telling RPM based on sound with the flat plain R1 and V twins that I ride. I also prefer the aggressive power delivery of the GSXR. It's a feeling you get when riding them.
What an epic few days riding both bikes. Amazing to be part of this project and compare these two bikes. Hope everyone enjoyed our 2-part Superbike shootout!
all the gsxr 1000r that i`ve ever owned was great with no problems. the bike just performs.
Can it be that Jeff had something with his bike? Cause I own a 2020 Gixxer and never had 1 single problem with the handling when riding hard. I always felt that it handles amazing and the electronics do their job good, plus it has savage power! Nice videos guys i enjoyed them both. 👍🏼
Thanks Jeffrey, glad you enjoyed. The bike was new and working fine. Even in the comments section in this video, there are other owners reporting the same issues and we've spoke to many owners (mainly track day riders/ racers) who discovered the same thing. Thanks, Aaron KNOX
What a beautiful video. As a father of two young boys myself the ending really touched me. How lucky to share the passion across so many generations. Sportbikes forever you could not say it any better ty. PS R1 hands down because power without control is useless.
Many thanks, so appreciate the kind feedback! Was unsure about ending it like that as the internet can be a cruel place, but glad you appreciate it 🙏. Aaron Knox
Man, the KR livery never fails. That R1 looks so good.
Oh great, what did I win?
I have seen alot of roll racing of gsxr 1000.... And no one has ever complained about the handling.. 1st time hearing that there's "something" the gsxr
Thanks, but even in the comments section here there are other owners reporting the same thing... we've spoken to quite a few track day riders/racers who report the same thing. Thanks, Aaron KNOX
Ending was fantastic, great to see your dad with you & your kids. I didn't realise your dad was a racer. Thankfully he survived that Suzuki tank slapper!!!
Thanks a lot! Yes he was pretty successful back in the day and thats how knox was started up. 100% v lucky to walk away from crash, but as an ex racer it certainly wasnt his first, though hopefully thr last 😀. Thanks Aaron Knox
These are easily the best set of videos you've turned out in my view.
Even inspired me to put a deposit down on a new R1 and do a few track days this year.
Thanks very much for your kind feedback! Enjoy your R1, the new one is even better than the one featured in this video with quite a lot more power. Thanks, Aaron KNOX
Wow, @22:14 I wasn't aware of the handling issue the gsxr had until then, thank you for being honest about it. Great review as always.
Thanks glad you enjoyed it. Gsxr is awesome, but definitely needs some upgrades from our hard learned experiences... thanks Aaron Knox
@@KnoxArmour 👍🤞
@@KnoxArmour i wonder if the gsxr1000R version fixed the issue?
Never heard of anyone else having a problem.
My brother had a GSX-R 750 and had told me that bike has wobbled,and tried to highside and other wonky unexpected and undesirable traits.
All this happening in less than a year. He had a Yamaha 1000 and went back to Yamaha . After me wanting a Suzuki GSX-R for year's this made drop them from my want to buy list immediately. He literally complained everytime he got home from riding the Suzuki GSX-R saying he couldn't ride as hard as he did his Yamaha 🤷
This is what its all about, enjoying the rides and smiles along the way.
I choose your GSX-R750 😎
Yes its awesome and am keeping it! Aaron Knox
Agree the Suzuki GSXR750 is the best looking all round bike of all time puts 1000s to shame especially in the handling department/corners. 👍
@@jeffestrada6857 they handle about same
I have a gixxer 750 one of the best bikes EVER!
@@alphacapo
Your showing your lack of experience. I raced both have experience. The Gixxer 750 will always out handle a 1000 regardless which one. With a capable rider the 750 will always be more agile and nimble. Before commenting know your stuff, making yourself look pretty stupid
Knox productions are tippity top notch. Love the quality and insights. Even got a chance to fondle some of the Knox gear in local Revzilla stores here in Newport Beach, CA! Very nice kit...
Excellent work. I really appreciate the set up advice on the GSX - on all the reviews I've seen so far , no one has picked that up and it's the greatest concern I have (headshake), nearly everything else I can account for.. Thanks again.
Thanks a lot. In fairness others have mentioned it in their videos, mcn, lamb chops, 44teeth (briefly)... but we've obviously had a more severe experience and have been much more brutally honest about it. Hopefully it was helpful as it is the most dangerous type of accident, full gas, full speed etc. Thanks Aaron Knox
Awesome. Loved the family shots with the kids in the end!
14 innit m88. Skål 𝕭𝖔𝖊𝖗𝖙𝖍𝖊𝖗.
Thank you very much! Aaron Knox
You're son's already have the Throttle control down. This was awesome.
Haha yes we'll get him trained! Aaron Knox
That Suzuki is superbly set up.
Loved the ending with 3 generations. That’s what passion is all about sharing it
Thanks Joel, glad you appreciated that! Aaron KNOX
Hello Knox!
i'm Robson from Brazil it really impress me the quality of the video like nobody else can do it, so thank you so much for the richeness of each details.
Thank you for your kind feedback! Aaron KNOX
Thank you guys for fantastic review of 2 affordable superbikes people love
Give me 1 affordable r1. I will do anything for u
This was a amazing video to watch. Just subbed.
I have the Yamaha R1, but I'm a huge GSXR 1000 fan, super gutted Suzuki pulled out and stop making them.
Enjoyed the video. There are fast guys doing incredible lap times on the stock GSXR, and I personally owned 1 for 2 years in stock form, sure the shock was a bit too soft and does like to shake the bars under acceleration but it was never dangerous to me.
For the next video it would be nice to see the gen 6 zx10r vs the cbr1000rr and at the end compare all 4 bikes and pick a winner
Superb production!
Thanks Carlos, glad you think so 😀
The torque of GSXR is just nuts, and its aggressive af.. But man what is just lit is the top end vvt kicks it and its just like silence before the strome....
How will the long term reliability on the vvt be?
@@brianbrooks5947 Suzuki engines is known for relaiable and bulletproof the amount of mods that vcan do in suzuki engines is endless compared to kawasaki, yamaha etc
That looks like way too much fun. Absolutely love Oulton Park.
It was a lot of fun! Oulton is amazing and to ride it on 2 great bikes was awesome! Aaron KNOX
That was a really good video (incl pt 1); best bit was the advice that neither bike is a good 1st track bike! Straight up honest. 👍
Many thanks Will! Aaron KNOX
Absolutely brilliant bloody video guys!!!
I loved it all! From beginning to end!
Aaron Travel & Olly Milton, thank you guys soo much and thank you Knox Armour. But most of y’all the camera crew! They did an outstanding job!
Thank you for going into details about each bike and that to expect.
I said it before, and I’m saying again, I’m a YZF person. I’m with “Olly” 😂 It’s what I learned on and I’m continuing to do. I’ve ridden other manufactures, but Yamaha is for me. Once, again keep up the great awesome videos Aaron and Olly.
I just wish you guys had more good hot weather like we do here.
As for Aaron, next time, be well hydrate, stretch like there’s no tomorrow and drink plenty of “PICKLE JUICE” believe me, it will save your life. No cramps. Drink plenty of it..🤣👍🏿
My condolences to the pass of y’all’s Queen Elizabeth RIP❗️❤
All the way here from Austin, Tx U.S.A
Next is Honda and Kawasaki Please.
Sorry, is it not possible that Geoff wasn't riding properly at the time or are we to assume he always is perfect? I sound snarky but I'm not trying to be. To label all stock GSXR1000's as death traps is a bit extreme just because your buddy had a crash. I've seen a lot of tank slappers at tracks with all brands.
Fair comment and not snarky 😀. Of course he doesn't ride perfect, but being an ex national level racer, he is competent... however the point is, and 1 that i personally very much believe in, is that you should be able to go full gas on a modern sportsbike on a straight and not risk a potentially life threatening tank slapper. We've spoken to many modern gsxr1000 owners who have reported the same thing, either with v near misses or were simply unable to ride the bike properly without suspension/damper upgrades. Talking to our suspension technician who is a technician for many racers, he said its clear the damper didnt do anything. Ive ridden the bike myself in stock form and it is unstable when ridden hard. Proof in the pudding is, with the upgrades weve done to suspension and proper steering damper, the bike is rock solid and is awesome now 👌. In contrast, the R1 was safe and stable even in stock form. Hope that all makes sense. Thanks Aaron Knox
@@KnoxArmour Own exact same bike, which I bought brand new for track bike. First time out in stock trim at Cadwell had a full on 100mph + tank slap accelerating hard out of Barn onto start / finish straight. Completely uncontrollable, lock stop to lock stop, for considerable distance. Managed to save it, but GSXR-R definitely unstable in stock form. Sorted now, and awesome bike, but take the advice anyone thinking of tracking one of these. I was actually at Snet the day Geoff had his off, nice to see the bike restored 👍
@@Matatay Thanks mate. Restoring it was a big job, but worth it in the end and we learned a lot along the way... Its now awesome and ready for anything! All the best, Aaron KNOX
They can't ride, anyone that crashes a gsxr 1000 in a straight line is a straight up clown that shouldn't be allowed near a bike
I’m wanting to do my first track day so your videos are so interesting. Thank you for the effort you put into making these videos.
I've had my 750 for a bout 5 years now road the track 3 or 4 times and love the look of the new 1000 plus the weight savings on it too but now after watching this I'm a bit hesitant.
750 is awesome and the perfect balance of power and handling, still love mine! There won't be that much difference in terms of pure lap times, but the 1000 is a massive step up in power and you definitely have to manage that! Aaron KNOX
What a Video ! You put that...ache in the video that bikers go through on seeing a King lose his crown due to the recent "developments" in the industry. A brilliant comparo between 2 Monsters who will always be in their Prime, no matter how the industry changes, or who comes to Challenge them.
Cross-plane and K5 Lover.
This two-part review has been outstanding - seems like a new benchmark has been set for production values. Loved the ending - very poignant. ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
More of this sort of stuff please! 👍
Many thanks, glad you think so! It was a big production and while we cant match it on every video, we'll have a good try! Aaron KNOX
@@KnoxArmour Hello sir aaron, Did you guys record the track laps of both bikes? Do you mind letting us know😁
Great video, thank you all. For me, the R1 would be the one to have. I currently have a GSXR 750 and I would like to have an electric safety blanket on track😉
Thanks! It certainly makes the R1 super confidence inspiring and although it takes a leap of faith, you can trust them. Aaron KNOX
Awesome video great riding! Zx10r vs the Honda next..
Thanks, would love to! Aaron KNOX
i had the same wobble issue on my gsxs1000f, i figured out that the traction control causes the problem when accelerating by cutting the power when the wheel is light. after it happened a few times i just left TC off and never had an issue again
I cut my teeth on gixer slabby slabs back in the 80s/early 90's and now I'm on my 8th R1 (R1M). I'm an Aprilia/Yamaha guy for the noise, power delivery, looks etc..... great video!
Thanks a lot! R1 is incredible! Aaron KNOX
Gsx r1000 is awesome
I have the 2023 gsxr 1000 rr and the suspension feels amazing
Until you start riding fast on track... Thanks, Aaron KNOX
Awesome video enjoyed both street and track versions, especially enjoyed the last couple of minutes of the track version with Geoff Travell(probably because it included a couple of aussie racers Wayne Gardner and Jeff Sayle)great stuff .
Many thanks Ben. Yes a lot of history and heritage here and with these bikes! Aaron KNOX
I have a GSXR 750 and it's perfect, but my next bike will definitely be a GSXR 1000.
GSXR 750 is perfect!! But jump on to the 1000 and the excitement level is increased quite a bit as it is so so fast! Aaron KNOX
@@KnoxArmour if you ever feel the need to donate one to my broke ass, I will not stop you!
Great video! Thank you
Many thanks, glad you think so! Aaron KNOX
You channel is amazing, you guys will get many subscribers in no time, this is very high quality content
Many thanks, appreciate it. Aaron KNOX
I'd choose the r1
Great comparison!
However, the R1 here is from 2015. Do you think the updated 2020+ R1 would have made a difference?
Thanks. As per episode 1, these are our own bikes and thats kind of the point of the series, they are our own and not from a press fleet. Believe the 2020+ R1 has revised engine work which makes it more powerful in race spec, but the bike is similar in road trim with the extra emissions restrictions needed to pass the tough new EURO 5 regulations. Most of the rest of the bike is pretty much the same. Thanks, Aaron KNOX
INCREDIBLE very objective films - you guys have very much confirmed - these bikes have so much power the GSXR having a Flat Plane crank with even firing interval -perfect Primary balance minor secondary imbalance but it puts 4 separate power pulses at the back wheel - most powerful making it a real handful, the R1 very rare Cross Plane crank uneven firing interval Primary imbalance is not so good but is balanced out with a extra balance shaft but has good secondary balance but less power but what this achieves is 2 power pulses at the back wheel (2 off contraindicated by each other) this makes it so much easier to ride so hats off to Yamaha having the courage to design a more complicated engine with some disadvantages to achieve 1 key advantage - its far easier to ride - similar to big bang engines. You can actually hear the engine sound difference on the track videos, so ultimate excitement with risk GSXR, easier riding & probably faster for most R1. (currently ride GSXR1000K1 160HP that's easy to manage) Excellent review thanks
Many thanks, appreciate it. Thanks for the detailed comment. Aaron KNOX
Definitely have to agree with what he said in the first few min, i went from a 750 to a 1000 and it felt like going to the starship enterprise lol
Its always sunny then you ride a bike . ALWAYS
I had bikes in my younger days i had a gsx750 in the 1980s i now got Audi V10 R8 spyder 600hp and the speed is awsum and never felt acseration like it. Ive never put my foot to the floor in any gear. Id love to see how it do next to ur bikes. I love Yamaha and Suzuki bikes.
I am looking for a trackday bike atm, I have been riding my S1000XR around the track up until now which is great, but the riding position doesn't lend itself to further my goal of better body position and knee down etc, I am sure you can knee down all day long on one, but a proper sports bike is where I believe I want to be now ?? Thinking of an older R1 / Gixer 1000 ? K5 /2005 era ? any thoughts ? I ride with all the crap turned off on my XR, and don't find it fast or intimidating tbh, been riding 35+years tho.
sweet kidd liked it son 💯💪
😎 there was some white legs there… I now have some burn-in on my ipad screen 😂
Apart from that great content guys
So funny 🤣. Sorry for offense Aaron KNOX
Great clip and great bikes😃👍 I have a 2011 GSXR 750 and love it. Do you think it's worth upgrading to a GSXR 1000. I mostly ride on the road and sometimes take the bike to the drag strip for a bit of fun. Thoughts?
@timdavie158 gsxr 750 one of best bikes of all time. With right set up, gearing suspension and brake upgrades is awesome 👌.
Perfect blend of power, handling. Just awesome.
Gsxr1000 is similar, just with a LOT more power and its exciting. But you've got to be some rider to really extract the difference. Hope that helps, Aaron Knox
Awesome thanks for the reply. Thats what i was thinking too, I've dropped one tooth of the front sprocket and went up 2 on the back sprocket and its made it a lot more fun. Brakes are next😃👍@KnoxArmour
I'm racing on the Gixxer this year and loving it .A lot of work done on the bike from stock though inc. suspension, steering damper, drop the gearing slightly and run the rear axle as far back as you can gives better stability, Full system and mapped makes throttle response a lot better and less snatchy, TC remapped to suit track better but I still dont trust it entirely.
That's class! Best of luck for the rest of the season! Aaron KNOX
What are the wraps around the tires for? Awesome video😎
Tyre warmers to make the tyres warm so we're ready to go fast as soon as we get on track. Thanks Aaron Knox
Love the videos
Many thanks, really appreciate it! Aaron KNOX
I have a Street Triple R. It’s awesome. I’d kicked the R1. I like Yamaha’s and I just love the sound of the cross plane. I want to get an R1 next in 2024 or maybe even a RSV4
I really agree with what you said about the stock gsxr-1000 suspension, I have basically the same bike but still stock rear suspension and stock damper...
There's been a few scary moments, mainly head shake/wobble.
The way it wheelies so easy exiting corners, etc, and the way it's stiff and somewhat unpredictable (to me anyways) it has definitely contributed to a couple death wobbles. Group I used to ride with pretty much all have newer r1s or r1m's, and they look at me like I don't know how to ride because I got a death wobble.
I rode a BMW s1000rr with no steering damper for almost 3 months, got it down low in corners, popped wheelies... Never thought it was unpredictable or like I didn't know how it would react over a rough road. It felt telepathic, if I wanted it to go left, it went left. If I wanted right? It went right.
Never wobbled on me, no tank slapper moments.
The gsxr?
Well, I've got an aftermarket damper waiting to go on, and I've already turned it almost completely stiff. That constant flighty/light feeling is definitely not my favorite, and probably only contributes to it's extreme willingness to enter a wobble for any reason at all.
Also noticed that the stock damper let's it get wild for a second or two before the electronics intervene and stiffen it up.
Roll raced and leaving the concrete strip and entering the asphalt strip both I and my buddys zx10 suffered a bit of head shake.
Where mine basically started death wobbling and I had to wait and ride it out before the damper stiffened and helped me out, my buddies zx10 wobbled a couple times and that was it.
So basically...stock electronic damper is trash. Throw away, even the cheap adjustable one I have as a backup from Amazon is stiffer and more solid feeling. $39.99 as well...
That's my two cents. As far as the power of the bike, if you had the suspension to put the power down? Well, the r1 would be hard pressed to keep up. If it could at All... I have one to beat right now actually. But putting on the damper and adjusting my rear shock first, I like riding bikes that feel planted and stable ish at least. I feel much better about full throttle as well. Otherwise I just have to let him win because I prize my bike and my life over beating just one guy. One of those I know I can but what are the consequences type of things...last time we ran I just had to let him go. 🤷 Is what it is. If the bike feels off, or like it's gonna randomly death wobble without reason, I'll let out and slow down.
Thanks for the thorough reviews guys. Enjoyed!
Thanks and of course 100% agree. These are big powerful motorcycles and need to be safe and stable to have 100% confidence. A tank slapper crash is so so dangerous. Thanks, Aaron KNOX
Had a Triumph Daytona 955i, did those tank slapps under heavy acceleration. Had a huge crash in second gear. My opinion, bikes that do that have a poor frame design. Get rid of it.
All those are great bikes but I don't think we can compare them to the S1000RR out of the box.
The BMW is just that good.
Please ride safe everyone.
@@EEEBA1 agreed.
I tried to explain that to some fellow gsxr and r1 guys and they just don't... Understand.
Plus they all say it's euro trash 😂
I tried though. And yes ride safe for sure 👍
@@shaneflutsch2270 They have to ride it to experience it. The talk about all the European bikes being bad is from 1990's or early 2000's lol. (It used to be true at one point)
The handling on the RR is almost telepathic. It simply reads your mind and goes where you think it should go and it's very stable.
No need to upgrade things to make it great :)
Fantastice bike's
I find the R1 beautiful and I'd like to own a SRAD 750 one day.
Make a video about the new mv f3 RR if you can get your hands on it maybe compare it to the litre bikes?
Hey Guys was this the GSXR1000 R model or just the standard because I believe the R model comes standard with heaps better suspension.
Its the R model. The suspension in particular the shock and steering damper is much the same and not great. Thanks Aaron Knox
So what is the aftermarket gsxr chassis? Is it the same as a stock chassis, is it made of the same materials, is it a completely different chassis, etc
Chassis components... as in the full suite of suspension. Thanks, Aaron KNOX
I have the GSXR 1000 and I did notice an instability at 130 It does smooth out after that .
At 130mph is smooths out! Hopefully its not too late by that point! :) Aaron KNOX
Gixxer 👍💪
Looks like the gixxer is the better “all around” bike on ergos and MPG alone - a good rider likely can make up for other differences between the two. Yammie is less compromising and more raw to me.
Maybe I missed it at the beginning but what is the point of this video if the GSXR is highly modified?
Great review. I am a gsxr rider. Until I drop.
How was the breaks on the bike. I have a gsxr1000 and the filing on the brakes is terrible. No filing 😢
Actually, both excellent. We changed the brembo RCS19 master cylinder and the brakes are now fantastic, even with the ABS on. Thanks, Aaron KNOX
Real question here on a good CC to start track riding, Would you learn more on smaller CC bikes like the R3 or KTM 390 or would the 750 be better ( I own a 2015 GSXR 750 ) ? I have never done a track day and would love to improve my riding skills more than just go fast.
Take your 750, its the best 👌. Need something fast enough so that the guys on bigger bikes dont pass uou at a million mph which is scary, 750 works well. With a 750 you can go from learning to being the fastest guy at the track day. Thanks Aaron Knox
@@KnoxArmour ty for the response
Tbf, they said the gsxr1000 feels better than the r1 because it has top spec aftermarket suspension, and the R1 is better when you compare them in stock form...that the gsxr1000 is dangerous in stock form if you push it at the track. And that if both had aftermarket investment, they would likely be about the same. The comparison in the video isn't a fair one, and they tell it isn't a fair one. So, if you just want to buy a bike to use at the track in stock form, buy the R1. And, if you want to buy a bike for a track build, buy either one. Suspension will cost you about $5k.
I'm no expert but after watching this is the gsxr 1000 basically the 750 frame and bigger engine ?
No the 1000 l7+ is a totally revised motorcycle and is a different frame. Its quite a different animal than before, more power + electronics etc. Thanks, Aaron KNOX
62 deg of lean angle 😁😁😁 not even MotoGP can lean that much maybe was 52 deg, still good review
Thanks and yes it is real. On Shell oil corner which is a banked corner, but yes the lean angle was high... thanks, Aaron KNOX
Gixxer all day!
This question never been answered but I'm still asking. Will new gsxr1000 will return in 2 or 3years
Great question and we really hope so! Seriously dont understand why Suzuki cant make it EURO 5, everyone else does! Aaron KNOX
@@KnoxArmour Thanks Aaron!
SUZUKING 🔥💥⚡💥🔥
YAMAHA R1 : - FATHER
SUZUKI GSX-R1000R : - GREAT GRAND FATHER
File closed ✍️
Why do they take off the mirrors on the track?
Mirrors reflect light in ppls eyes 🌌🧠
R1 for me
I chose the Suzuki Gsxr 1000 any day... I
R1 wins for the sound!
62° lean angle on a stock gsxr1000? Idk, I call bullshit on that. But still great videos guys and I'd go for a V4s on super corsa tires myself but 🤷🏾♂️
Thanks, glad you enjoyed the series. But the 62 lean angle is right and that is what the starlane gps data logger said... thanks Aaron Knox
@@KnoxArmour that's awesome then! Great great work guys!
@@SkyboundMar in fairness it would have been at shell oils which is banked... but we did mid 50's elsewhere. 😀
Prefer a Hayabusa over both of them. Having said that, I think the R1 has the advantage as the better and more pure track bike. However, I would go for the GSX-R 1000, because it is better, more comfortable and practical bike for riding on public roads.
I chose the gsxr1000r love this bike
Gixxi💪😎
R1 all the way!
GSXR all the way!
The 2023 German GSXR.
💣💥
For me it’s a zx14r!!!
the guy asked the other guy which bike would he choose between both of these 2 1000cc bikes and the one guy says none and he would start on a 750cc. hello! he`s asking about the two1000cc bikes next to you and he`s not asking about a 750cc.
He asked which bike to choose for new riders, and I answered neither, because honestly, they'll get you into trouble. Better to learn on a smaller machine. Thanks, Aaron KNOX
Just FYI, the wheelie control on the GSXR is only in the top tiers of traction control
It's still quite intrusive in 2 and 3 in our experience...
@@KnoxArmour I ride a 2020 gsx-s1000 so I can’t attest to it, since you guys did the seat time. But I’ve been doing research since I want to trade bike in for the gsxr..
Per Suzuki:
Changes from 2017 to 2020 for the base gsxr1000. Quick shifter is standard and revisions to the front disc for less fade. Modes: C mode reduces torque and hp across all revs, B mode 100%torque and fueling tapers off right before the engines VVT is engaged, A mode 100% everything. Traction 10-5 wheelie control is engaged and 4-off: no wheelie control.
As I have not tested myself, I can’t say if it’s accurate. Thank you for the video, it helped me to decide to trade in for the gsxr
@downlowgo_401 Nice one, you'll love it. 😆
Definitely, the wheelie control is there in those lower tc modes. It only doesn't interfere around 1-2... The problem is, i wouldn't trust exactly what it's doing, its just that sort of bike, bot like the R1 which you can lean on much more 😂...
Another thing, from 2019 onwards, the engines got more power. Not an official thing, but there is an undisclosed update in the engine that adds about another 4-5hp at the rear wheel... Hope that all helps. Aaron Knox
@@KnoxArmour thank you. Yes I have been finding the 202 horsepower here and there for the newer models.. vs the 198 listed for the previous. My gsx-s katana right now is making 160 hp at the wheel with some pretty heavy upgrades and Dyno time. I’d expect the factory gsx-r to make similar wheel power but with a much more aggressive top end. I love my gsx-s , but I just want a little more 🤙🏼
I appreciate the information it’s very helpful
Gixxer tutta la vita😍😍😍
Need some time stamp
I don't understand why there isn't a glove with impact protection for the wrist, and more a wrist brace and extra sliding parts. Dual sport enduro trail mountainbike and even BMX could use such a glove.. There are a few options with a skateboarding impact brace but then have a bad quality glove.
Make that product Plx
I take offence in Knox producing such good looking and (presumably very safe) racing leathers AND don't sell any. Of course there's reasons behind it but would know produce a one piece or 2 piece leather I'd buy one to wear while I'm on my yellow TL 1000 R.
Haha thanks... maybe one day. All the best, Aaron KNOX
@@KnoxArmour Lets hope so, thanks for good content and products!
Guintoli had no problems putting in hot lapS on road bike, the damper is a bit shit , suspension not bad , try harder spring on back shock
You must take Guintoli's content with a massive pinch of salt. Reality is, he was a Suzuki employee and is a world class rider... and the bike did not stay stock for very long at all, he changed the full suspension very early on.
I have spoken to many racers who have ridden the stock GSXR and say it is almost un-rideable, just like we did. Thanks, Aaron KNOX
Suzuki all day, every day.