You could have switched off the air conditioning which comes on automatically and run slower fan speed in manual, which is what I do. But plenty of range anyway. Looking forward to more. Cheers.
I have the c4 petrol and will be changing in June seriously considering getting the C4X, BYD Atto or Jeep Avenger. Does anyone have any thoughts. Cheers.
Watched this - excellent - video right through. Genuinely useful, realistic and very informative. Thankyou and well done. Makes the point very well that this is all the EV that most people need. The reviews on this eC4 get more convincing all the time; apart from those made of course by those who have made up their negative minds beforehand. A very refreshing change from so many of the 'reviews' that are out there.
Great video. Thanks for taking the time and effort to make it. Please keep them coming, I do enjoy these types of videos of real world driving, again thanks.
They are bringing out an EC3 in a few months which looks interesting and will tempt a few people especially if the price of just over £20,000 brand new is correct!
Yes, the new e-C3 looks very interesting. It looks like it starts at £23K in the UK for the base model and will probably go up to about £28K. It also has the same great suspension from the e-C4, so it will be a great little EV.
All vehicles are less efficient the faster they go, including ICE vehicles. The wind resistance increases in proportion to the square of the speed, so it’s not a linear relationship.
The charging speed will have been limited by the station - if there's a lot of people charging it'll ramp down each charger because the whole site will have a maximum amount it can pull from the grid. People forget the amount of power they're talking about - 100kw is the same as 5 houses pulling as much as their main fuse will allow (which never happens and most houses have smaller main fuses than 100A anyway).
Another great video. I'm really looking forward to more on the ec4, your videos on the 28kwh Ioniq were great and I was impressed by its efficiency although not its looks! But the Citreon could be a contender for my MX30 replacement.
So you have a MX-30. What do you think about it (apart from the rear doors). Is the battery to small? I have had cars with 22, 41 and 52 kWh, the MX-30 have 36 kWh battery but we commute 128 km/day so I reckon it would be enough, even at -25 degrees???
Love your videos they have that handheld homevideo style I prefer over the bigger commercial youtubers - you have a lot of nerdy infos that I like. Looking forward to see more of the Citroen driving/charging and daily usage stuff - it’s a really nice looking car that’s affordable 👍👍
can you pre heat the battery for charging, 23% is quite a high SOC. They need to have different tariffs for different charging speed, i.e. 7kw rate, 22kw rate, 50 kw rate, 100kw rate, 150kw rate, >250kw rate. then people will select the max rate for the car they drive
No you can't pre heat the battery. However in this case, I had been driving the car for 2.5 hours, so the battery should be warm enough for rapid charging.
don't think the macmaster got good efficiency from his taycan in his staged trip to lands end etc. and for distance to cost is far too much. and he has just put out a tyre video saying they are more and need replacing far sooner which is just false
Yes I find our EV tyres have lasted the same as any other previous vehicle. This whole thing about tyre ware is just another anti-EV myth. You have to compare like for like. No point comparing tyre wear on a powerful Tesla or Taycan with a low powered family hatch.
Not much in it though. e-C4 101kW charging, ID3 120kW. I think I may have read that the revised e-C4 charges at 150kW, which is why I got it wrong in this video.
I think the e-C4 will be 5mpkWh max. I can get 4.5 out of it now, but I can't see it doing any more than 5. However, that test (albeit in winter) is coming soon before it gets too cold!
Great blog. I’ve got an e2008 (2020 model) when I go up to Manchester from Epsom I charge at Warwick. Would like a few more miles but it’s great most of the time. Probably change in a couple of years currently look at the mg or c3 for best costs.
The older EC4s have a 50kWh battery with 45kWh usable but from this year 2023 the battery size was increased to 55kWh with 50kWh usable, I think. Pretty goog miles per kWh I though for motorway driving. Thanks for the video.
La nouvelle chaîne de traction est composée d'un moteur de 156 ch (au lieu de 136) et d'une batterie de 54 kWh , dont 51 kWh utiles (au lieu de 50 kWh/46,3 utiles) . L'efficience a été bien améliorée d'après les tests. En WLTP , on passe pour l'ëC4 de 357 km à 415 km.
Nice one. I'd prefer a 250 mile range as my longest "visit the family" round trip is 210 miles, that means i don't have to worry about charging. For a longer trip, 200 miles will be beyond my bladder range anyway so it'll be fine for that.
Nice video Matt. The display behind the wheel is a bit awkward compared to the Ioniq28. Love the head up display though. Would be cool to learn about how the cruise control and lane assist behave on this EV as well. Cheers 👌🏻
Test drove a C4e and was impressed but eventually we got a MG Zs 72kw trophy for the greater range, would have probably got the C4 if it had a 60kw+ battery, this must be costing them many sales.
Yes the MG's are certainly great value and large pack sizes for the money. Obviously it depends on your personal needs and if you can charge from home, but I think 200 miles range is more than enough for the majority of UK drivers, if they have home charging. But of course most don't realise that because they want to replicate what their ICE vehicle did. But then I started with driving 80 mile range EVs for years, yet still did long distances fine. Any EV with over a 150 mile range feels completely adequate to me. As I showed in this video, I still did a 5 hour motorway drive, driving inefficiently too and did just one 40 minute charge (while I had a Costa and a sandwich). That stop may have been 10 minutes longer than it would have been in an ICE vehicle, but who cares over a 5 hour drive?
I remember the day of my 24kw Leaf back in 2015 when all charging l did was free, we then progressed to a 30kw Leaf which added an extra 30 miles of range which was very welcome, next came a 38kw Ioniq great car but so slow to recharge on a rapid charger, then we got a MG zs 44kw which charged faster than the Ioniq but had a little less range. My main reason for a long range ev is our travels in mid Wales which is still a rapid charger wilderness and the worry nowadays is not range but charger anxiety. Thanks for your videos much appreciated.
Nice Car But Looking at the Cost of Charging its More Than Running a Petrol car if You Can Not Charge at Home and Use The Places all the Time ? Looking at Your Cost it Seems To be around £6 More For that Trip Than it would of Cost in my Car Doing 54mpg. Insurance is also a Lot more For EVs And You Still Have to Have it Serviced Although They Dont Do Anything Realy ? So Going EV is Still A Lot More and When the EV is 8 Years old With No Warranty on its Battery How Much will it be Worth Compared to a Small Petrol Car ? If the Battery Dies It will Cost a Min of £8,000 To Replace ,Yet to Fix a Petrol Engine Would Be £3,000 Max.
Yes, the cost of DC rapid charging is too high, with the exception of the Tesla network which has many sites open to all. But if you can charge from home, EVs are ridiculously cheap to run - ~£150 for 10,000 miles. But who said EVs should be cheaper? That was just another benefit. The point is roadside emissions which has been completely lost in recent years. But that has been deliberate as there's a lot of money going into delaying the transition.
We're doing all right in the UK and the network is expanding pretty well. See www.zap-map.com/ev-stats/how-many-charging-points Of course there's always areas where its very poor still, but there a 46% increase in the last 12 months, so its progressing well.
I have an Ec-4 myself and enjoyed your video but it would have been so much more useful if you'd have discussed the settings that you utilised during the drive. Did you have the car in normal or eco mode for the journey (I'm guessing you probably didn't use the sport setting...)? Did you have the regen braking selected on or off? I'd be interested to know, as when I've taken on a decent length motorway based drive I really can't decide how much of a difference the various drive settings actually make.
Normal mode and heating on. When you say "regen on or off", I assume you mean using B mode. As it was motorway driving, mostly not in B mode, but would toggle that in and out as extra braking was required.
Travelling on the M62 most days, average speed is around 50 at best. My ancient Leaf Gen 1 can manage 4 miles / kWh at those speeds! I'd be on the train instead, but they are now so unreliable. Roads are busy in the UK because public transport infrastructure hasn't had enough investment for the last 10 years or more.
The old Leaf was pretty efficient. New cars generally aren't as good as the early EVs, but then they have more powerful motors, more performance and much more equipment which consumes more energy too. I though the e-C4 did pretty well at 3.8mpkWh as I wasn't driving efficiently at all. Doing that again, in the same conditions, but not in the outside lane so much, I could get 4-4.2.
Interesting video, thanks for this. Just ordered one of these on a lease for £250/month. Will be charged at home 95% of the time, but after watching this I'm a bit more hopeful i can make the 180 mile trip to my parents without having to stop and charge along the way.
As always it depends on your driving efficiency. But initially, you'll probably want to stop for a 5-10 min top up just to give you a buffer as the range anxiety might get too much.
Very interesting video. I've got one of these cars and absolutely love it; I only do about 150 miles per week so rarely need to charge away from home. I charge on a granny charger overnight which costs about £6 per week. I do find a big drop in range in the winter compared with the summer, but nothing that causes any problems. I would highly recommend both the car and the electric life style.
Watched all the video on a 42-inch TV at normal speed and it felt a lot shorter than 30 minutes, so I obviously enjoyed it! I would suggest that this Citroen EV is all the car most people would ever need in terms of size, performance, efficiency and range and all for the price of an equivalent ICE car like the Ford Focus.
Thanks Brian for the feedback. I thought this video would be far too boring, but its getting half decent views (for my little channel). But yes, the e-C4 is a cracking EV and great value too. I'm very impressed with it.
It is more cramped inside than a Ford Focus and it has a low roof line when getting in and out if you are tall. A better family car would be an ID3 or Hyundai Ioniq first generation as they are bigger inside and have nicer interiors.
@@RB-lt8kt I never understood why they discontinued the first generation Ionic, which strikes me as arguably the best all-round EV ever made and is incredibly efficient. But having seen the Citroen in the flesh several times, I really like that too.
That’s insanely expensive. £20 for 125 miles? Have you tried charging at Tesla Superchargers? Does it charge at this rate and drop significantly the nearer to full it gets?
Matt, I know you rate the Hyundai Ioniq 38Kwh so how do you rate the EC-4 in comparison. I also have an Ioniq which I think is a bit more efficient than the Citroen.
Personally I prefer the e-C4. Its less efficient, but then so is everything when comparing with the Ioniq. The ride is excellent in the e-C4 and its also quieter than the Ioniq. I just feels that little bit more premium. It really needs a better badge on the front as the Citroen logo doesn't justify it.
@@PieterB76 spot on. This is a Citroën getting back to exactly what they were once renowned for - superior, class leading ride quality. It's taken them a while to remember what they were famous for but finally it seems like Stellantis are giving them their mojo back.
I could get a lower premium picking this instead of cupra born/vw id3. I could probably reach malmo from esbjerg (distance of 329 km) on a 100% charge & in eco-mode slipstreaming.
Were thinking of purchasing a nearly new used Citroën e-c4. This was a really good video as you have done this in a manner in which we would use it. My only wee qualm would be that it would have been great if you have shown or said what the range was after you charged it to 91%.
Thanks for this video - I enjoyed it very much. I am on my 12th year as an EV-driver and I am considering a e-C4 as the next car. I am on my 3rd Zoe at the moment and I am very pleased with it but the e-C4 is a bit larger but the battery is a bit smaller, 46 kWh vs 52 kWh. I have so far driven more than 220000 km with my Zoes :) Changing cars in August I think since I will abandon Norway for Sweden so I will need a Swedish registred car in the future. Importing my own car isn't an option since Norway isn´t within the EU - to much taxes and VAT destroys the possibility. I will have a look at the other videos you´ve posted so far. One question - do the e-C4 have a limiter like the Renault have? I use it a lot both on the Zoe, the Captur and Kadjar I have. The consumption goes down a lot with it in use.
Charging at motorway services is a last resort, just as buying petrol is, its too expensive. I've gone from having to do it in a 22kW Zoe almost ten years ago, to almost never in a later Zoe with 50kW battery. The last time I recharged away from home was on the return from France as I was waiting for the ferry. The usual rules are: avoid charging away from home, and never stop to charge: charge only when you have to stop for the loo or coffee.
Needs a bigger battery at lower trim levels too. Top trim has very poor colours and dull black wheels. Would buy if lower trim levels had bigger battery.
Had to rent this car on a recent European trip because the rental car agency had no other car available (even though I pre-booked). It's a pain in the ass, the battery is good for 3 hours at the most on highway speeds and realistically you'd want to charge every 2 hours or so. In case the EV charging station doesn't work, you want to make sure you have enough range left to reach the next one.
Really confidence inspiring video, your driving style looks similar to mine. I pick up a C-Series Edition tomorrow that Citroen are flogging at frankly offensively cheap prices (Cheaper than equivalent spec petrol automatic!) with 0% finance to boot. I have had an EV before but didnt get into the nitty gritty - this one will be around for a while so useful to see what the range is like over longer distances. Looking forward to grabbing even more now!
Usually it is faster to charge several times than fewer times but longer. Then it is important to have as little charge as possible when charging because then you achieve the fastest charging speed. On longer journeys never charge above 80%. Before journeys it is ok to charge to 100%.
69p@kw at gridserve but you were charged 53p@kw ? . £20.80p would give me 172 miles in my hybrid at its current efficiency. Home Charging is where its cheapest I guess 🤔 . Good , straightforward video.
The drive there was at 7.5p pkWh as I charged at home over night. So I only use public rapid charging to top up enough to finish my journey and get me home.
Great informative vid as always - going through options for 1st EV and its down to the Inoiq 38KW / Kona 2020 EVE premium SE or this the eC4 Shine Plus ATM - eC4 sits mid price on 2nd hand value though I really really like the Inoiq electric!! Quick Q - where was that Gridserve Charging station on the M25 - can you post a Google Link? Can't find it on Google maps atm
I only travel on the West side of the M25. There's now a load of new chargers at Cobham Services - see ua-cam.com/video/qc4mQ-8tMPY/v-deo.html But not sure about the other parts of the M25. ZapMap will show them all.
I'd love to know what's so different about your eC4 compared to mine! Best I can safely get on a motorway run at 70mph even in eco mode is 120 miles from 100%. Similar area too... I did High Wycombe to Corsham last week - 90miles one way. I started with 100% and predicted range of 180 miles. Nice day, no rain and probably similar outdoor temperatures; arrived with 30 miles predicted range remaining. A rapid charge back to full cost me over £26 at a staggering 85p/kWH (InstaVolt). Not impressed 😔
Batteries are complete voodoo even to the manufacturers. early adopters will get shafted, depreciation, range, degradation, is massive issue. sounds like you're working with a very degraded battery. Use one of the apps and ODB2 connections to find out the true situation with your car. Or just put it up for sale, pronto. your choice.
Interesting video. But it's a very retrograde way of traveling. If you had four up with a headwind you would be down to less than a 100 miles range. They are great for very local driving but hopeless for long distance unless you want spend hours sat around charging the car.
No, the range will never be that low. Above 150 miles at very worst, in the worst conditions. But the reality is that the majority of people do only 20-40 miles a day, most days. So if you can charge from home while you sleep, range is not an issue at all. And the odd times you travel more than the range in a single day, you just do a quick DC charge.
To be fair, that's the case with most EVs. The max charge rate is only for a short time, in perfect conditions, when the battery is at a low state of charge. So rarely seen in real life.
Regen is on, but if you mean the B mode, then that goes on when additional regen is needed. But its more efficient to drive with B mode off, especially on motorways. But the golden rule is that if you need to slow down, always use regen instead of brakes, if you can.
@@GoGreenAutos so I should have B mode off? I’ve had it on for a the cars 2 months now & I’ve been wondering why the mileage is a bit low. Thank you for that
@@Nas_Allie Well ultimately it makes no difference if you're correctly controlling your deceleration with your accelerator pedal. But if you tend to lift fully off the accelerator pedal, then at speed, you're better off to coast for longer than to regen. i.e. you don't want to be slowing down too much to then only use more energy to speed back up. Less regen can help. But its all about how you drive. Most people don't get it and react too late and don't drive as efficiently as they could. Just read the road ahead and coast as much as you can and when you need to slow down, do this by coasting and then more regen in B mode rather than braking. Using the brakes means you're wasting that kinetic energy into friction and heat in your brakes, rather than putting it back into the battery.
@@GoGreenAutos thank you for your advice. I have the 2024 50KhW version & it’s much more efficient after following your advice. It’s a great car I’m very happy with it, just a shame the battery isn’t a bit better (if I had a home charger this wouldn’t be a minor issue)
Thanks, great video and really useful as currently considering a purchase and our longest journey would be 110 miles to visit family. I think this confirms we'd have nothing to worry about.
Great explainer at 20:47, pretty much sums up the key issues. Trying to nudge MIL to get an E.V. as they currently have a Tesla in the household, but not for her personal and individual use. The bigger issue is that we need more places like Braintree to make it easier! Not all experiences are like this unfortunately. Hope all is well :) -- good video!
EV aren't the premium they once were. Last month (maybe still now too) an e-Corsa was only £2K more than a petrol one. 1-2 year old EVs still within warranty are a bargain currently and in some cases actually cheaper than the ICE versions.
This video made me get my EC4 in December last year… absolutely love the car. I can vouch for the final figures as well as I get around the same 3.8 mpkwh doing my 120 mile round trip commute to work. You can’t drive it like a sports car, a relaxed driving style is what it prefers. Great video 👍
Had one on a loaner 3 days ago. Started with 320km on full charge, and after about 50km of driving, it was down to 120km. Low temps drain the battery so fast, its -4 to -7c atm. Btw, I think its a 45kwh battery, but with about 40,5kwh usable.
I do enjoy your videos Matt. I'm thinking of upgrading my Kia Soul EV (30 kWh) - 100 mile range is a little limiting, to a used Hyundai Ioniq (38.3) or the eC4, both top spec models. Either would satisfy my range needs and both are roughly the same price used (around 17 - 18K for a 21 plate). I know you're a fan of both cars Matt but if you had to pick, which one would you buy? I'm swithering towards the eC4 purely on looks and better range but it's a close call.
Interesting video with real driving data. It is hard to do 70 mph on our roads because of lorries racing one another or IDIOTS who stay in the middle lane on 3 lane motorways. Police should book people if the stay i the centre lane.
At 14:58 you have a percentage displayed; how do you get this? On mine there is no way of seeing percent just miles range (which is wildly unreliable).
I have a video about this filmed and coming soon. You change the display with the button on the indicator stalk. Or press the button on the wiper stalk to temporarily see the percentage.
@@GoGreenAutos I hope your video manages to get across how painful a process updating the software is!! If using a Mac make sure the USB is formatted to MS-DOS otherwise it fails and having to use the USB-C - and then just a mere hour and forty five minutes later it’s done (it had to do the maps too); but still no percentage shown :/
30.3kWh in about 41 min, that means an average charging power of 44.3kW. Quite far from the advertised 101kW 🧐 It must have quite a strange charging curve.
@@Sherukka that’s not the point. Here he charged from 23% up to 91%. The battery capacity is 51kWh. At 101 kW as advertised, even if he had charged up to 80%, Matt should have gained 29.07kWh in 17 min. But at 44kW that the car is actually accepting, 23%-80% would have still lasted ~38 minutes instead of 17min, at the charging power advertised. So twice longer. That’s not great.
@@Nikoo033 Everybody should know what advertised charging speed means in EVs today. 100 = max charging speed. Better to check the time to charge from 10 - 80% and that’s about half an hour with the latest Citroen software.
@@Sherukka according to Matt’s video and my calculations, it clearly never has reached anywhere near 100kW, if anything barely 45kW, so 40 min. Not even 30 min. Basically: misleading.
Cost me today - £31 to buy 36.5kwh which will get me 90 motorway miles That’s got to be twice as much as a petrol or diesel I can’t get excited about these charging sites with insane pricing sorry
Gridserve is 69p pkWh. The e-C4 was doing 3.8mpkWh at motorway speeds. So £31 would get me ~171 miles on the motorway. You must have a very thirsty EV or your maths is wrong.
@@GoGreenAutos My maths is spot on, I even took a screen shot. Bridgwater on M5 £0.85p KWh Took 49 mins to get them 36.5kw in too. Bit of a joke to be honest Only good thing is my employer pays for the electric and I invoice them for every minute I’m sat waiting for the car to charge which usually totals around £500-£600 a month, that’s before they’ve paid for the electric 😂
disappointing charging speed, disappointing screen and resolution. designed by 8 year old by the looks of it. disappointing cost.... 69p per kwh.... £20.88 for how many miles? Sounds more expensive than a diesel tbh.... massive depreciation. who in their right mind buys a Citroen, petrol or electric?
Yes public rapid charging is expensive, but the outward journey was at 7.5p pkWh. If you can charge from home, EVs make huge sense. If you can't and would be reliant of public charging alone, then you don't switch to EV for lower running costs. (Its about the same with the current electricity pricing).
Climate control temperature at 19 degC. It's a bizarre way of displaying it on the e-C4 and taking up so much of the display. They've changed it on the later model, but the older ones remain the same, even after a software update.
You could have switched off the air conditioning which comes on automatically and run slower fan speed in manual, which is what I do. But plenty of range anyway. Looking forward to more. Cheers.
I have the c4 petrol and will be changing in June seriously considering getting the C4X, BYD Atto or Jeep Avenger. Does anyone have any thoughts. Cheers.
Watched this - excellent - video right through. Genuinely useful, realistic and very informative. Thankyou and well done.
Makes the point very well that this is all the EV that most people need. The reviews on this eC4 get more convincing all the time; apart from those made of course by those who have made up their negative minds beforehand.
A very refreshing change from so many of the 'reviews' that are out there.
Great video , i really like the eC4 , out of all the stalintis clones , this i feel is the best , i like the ground clearance and its efficiency 👍
Yes I agree. Its the best Stellantis EV. Quiet, comfortable, sit high, fast enough. Underrated though.
Great video. Thanks for taking the time and effort to make it. Please keep them coming, I do enjoy these types of videos of real world driving, again thanks.
They are bringing out an EC3 in a few months which looks interesting and will tempt a few people especially if the price of just over £20,000 brand new is correct!
Yes, the new e-C3 looks very interesting. It looks like it starts at £23K in the UK for the base model and will probably go up to about £28K. It also has the same great suspension from the e-C4, so it will be a great little EV.
All vehicles are less efficient the faster they go, including ICE vehicles. The wind resistance increases in proportion to the square of the speed, so it’s not a linear relationship.
The charging speed will have been limited by the station - if there's a lot of people charging it'll ramp down each charger because the whole site will have a maximum amount it can pull from the grid.
People forget the amount of power they're talking about - 100kw is the same as 5 houses pulling as much as their main fuse will allow (which never happens and most houses have smaller main fuses than 100A anyway).
good point. I also can add, that it depends on stall. If charging site is not full, I keep moving from stall to stall till I get my promised speed.
Another great video. I'm really looking forward to more on the ec4, your videos on the 28kwh Ioniq were great and I was impressed by its efficiency although not its looks! But the Citreon could be a contender for my MX30 replacement.
Thanks.
Yes the e-C4 would make a good MX30 replacement. The ride is very similar.
So you have a MX-30. What do you think about it (apart from the rear doors). Is the battery to small? I have had cars with 22, 41 and 52 kWh, the MX-30 have 36 kWh battery but we commute 128 km/day so I reckon it would be enough, even at -25 degrees???
Love your videos they have that handheld homevideo style I prefer over the bigger commercial youtubers - you have a lot of nerdy infos that I like. Looking forward to see more of the Citroen driving/charging and daily usage stuff - it’s a really nice looking car that’s affordable 👍👍
can you pre heat the battery for charging, 23% is quite a high SOC. They need to have different tariffs for different charging speed, i.e. 7kw rate, 22kw rate, 50 kw rate, 100kw rate, 150kw rate, >250kw rate. then people will select the max rate for the car they drive
No you can't pre heat the battery. However in this case, I had been driving the car for 2.5 hours, so the battery should be warm enough for rapid charging.
don't think the macmaster got good efficiency from his taycan in his staged trip to lands end etc. and for distance to cost is far too much.
and he has just put out a tyre video saying they are more and need replacing far sooner which is just false
Yes I find our EV tyres have lasted the same as any other previous vehicle. This whole thing about tyre ware is just another anti-EV myth. You have to compare like for like. No point comparing tyre wear on a powerful Tesla or Taycan with a low powered family hatch.
The C4-e is a very nice electric car, but the charging speed is disappointing, here the VW ID 3 wins without a doubt :-)
Not much in it though. e-C4 101kW charging, ID3 120kW.
I think I may have read that the revised e-C4 charges at 150kW, which is why I got it wrong in this video.
@@GoGreenAutosThe charging curve is better, not only power.. But yes both ev's are getting better after facelifts.. :-)
would be good to see the summer range, and efficiency, still love my old hyundai ionic 28kw - upto 8 miles per kWh
I think the e-C4 will be 5mpkWh max. I can get 4.5 out of it now, but I can't see it doing any more than 5. However, that test (albeit in winter) is coming soon before it gets too cold!
Nice test! I will receive my 54kw version. In a few weeks. Curious how the range will be
Great blog. I’ve got an e2008 (2020 model) when I go up to Manchester from Epsom I charge at Warwick. Would like a few more miles but it’s great most of the time. Probably change in a couple of years currently look at the mg or c3 for best costs.
Yes the new e-C3 looks great value, but not really a long distance/motorway car.
Great informative video. Thank you.
10:22 passes an M reg Vauxhall Cavalier saloon. Now there's a throwback
The older EC4s have a 50kWh battery with 45kWh usable but from this year 2023 the battery size was increased to 55kWh with 50kWh usable, I think. Pretty goog miles per kWh I though for motorway driving. Thanks for the video.
La nouvelle chaîne de traction est composée d'un moteur de 156 ch (au lieu de 136) et d'une batterie de 54 kWh , dont 51 kWh utiles (au lieu de 50 kWh/46,3 utiles) . L'efficience a été bien améliorée d'après les tests.
En WLTP , on passe pour l'ëC4 de 357 km à 415 km.
The newer C4-e got also better engine, there is not only better power 115kw but mainly efficiency...
There’s still a long way to go, isn’t there?
Nice one. I'd prefer a 250 mile range as my longest "visit the family" round trip is 210 miles, that means i don't have to worry about charging. For a longer trip, 200 miles will be beyond my bladder range anyway so it'll be fine for that.
Nice video Matt. The display behind the wheel is a bit awkward compared to the Ioniq28. Love the head up display though. Would be cool to learn about how the cruise control and lane assist behave on this EV as well. Cheers 👌🏻
That's the next video on Wednesday.
If they made the car smaller and aerodynamic, you'd get more out of the smaller battery.
Test drove a C4e and was impressed but eventually we got a MG Zs 72kw trophy for the greater range, would have probably got the C4 if it had a 60kw+ battery, this must be costing them many sales.
Yes the MG's are certainly great value and large pack sizes for the money.
Obviously it depends on your personal needs and if you can charge from home, but I think 200 miles range is more than enough for the majority of UK drivers, if they have home charging. But of course most don't realise that because they want to replicate what their ICE vehicle did.
But then I started with driving 80 mile range EVs for years, yet still did long distances fine. Any EV with over a 150 mile range feels completely adequate to me. As I showed in this video, I still did a 5 hour motorway drive, driving inefficiently too and did just one 40 minute charge (while I had a Costa and a sandwich). That stop may have been 10 minutes longer than it would have been in an ICE vehicle, but who cares over a 5 hour drive?
I remember the day of my 24kw Leaf back in 2015 when all charging l did was free, we then progressed to a 30kw Leaf which added an extra 30 miles of range which was very welcome, next came a 38kw Ioniq great car but so slow to recharge on a rapid charger, then we got a MG zs 44kw which charged faster than the Ioniq but had a little less range.
My main reason for a long range ev is our travels in mid Wales which is still a rapid charger wilderness and the worry nowadays is not range but charger anxiety.
Thanks for your videos much appreciated.
20kw at 91% is preety good
Great video Matt
Just to let you know the notification came through to me perfectly
Thanks on both counts
Nice Car But Looking at the Cost of Charging its More Than Running a Petrol car if You Can Not Charge at Home and Use The Places all the Time ?
Looking at Your Cost it Seems To be around £6 More For that Trip Than it would of Cost in my Car Doing 54mpg.
Insurance is also a Lot more For EVs And You Still Have to Have it Serviced Although They Dont Do Anything Realy ?
So Going EV is Still A Lot More and When the EV is 8 Years old With No Warranty on its Battery How Much will it be Worth Compared to a Small Petrol Car ?
If the Battery Dies It will Cost a Min of £8,000 To Replace ,Yet to Fix a Petrol Engine Would Be £3,000 Max.
Yes, the cost of DC rapid charging is too high, with the exception of the Tesla network which has many sites open to all. But if you can charge from home, EVs are ridiculously cheap to run - ~£150 for 10,000 miles.
But who said EVs should be cheaper? That was just another benefit. The point is roadside emissions which has been completely lost in recent years. But that has been deliberate as there's a lot of money going into delaying the transition.
I hope destinations chargers get rolled out all over the UK, so EV charging anxiety and inconvenience can become a thing of the past.
We're doing all right in the UK and the network is expanding pretty well. See www.zap-map.com/ev-stats/how-many-charging-points
Of course there's always areas where its very poor still, but there a 46% increase in the last 12 months, so its progressing well.
I have an Ec-4 myself and enjoyed your video but it would have been so much more useful if you'd have discussed the settings that you utilised during the drive. Did you have the car in normal or eco mode for the journey (I'm guessing you probably didn't use the sport setting...)? Did you have the regen braking selected on or off? I'd be interested to know, as when I've taken on a decent length motorway based drive I really can't decide how much of a difference the various drive settings actually make.
Normal mode and heating on.
When you say "regen on or off", I assume you mean using B mode. As it was motorway driving, mostly not in B mode, but would toggle that in and out as extra braking was required.
Could have turned the heated seat off.
Travelling on the M62 most days, average speed is around 50 at best. My ancient Leaf Gen 1 can manage 4 miles / kWh at those speeds!
I'd be on the train instead, but they are now so unreliable. Roads are busy in the UK because public transport infrastructure hasn't had enough investment for the last 10 years or more.
The old Leaf was pretty efficient. New cars generally aren't as good as the early EVs, but then they have more powerful motors, more performance and much more equipment which consumes more energy too.
I though the e-C4 did pretty well at 3.8mpkWh as I wasn't driving efficiently at all. Doing that again, in the same conditions, but not in the outside lane so much, I could get 4-4.2.
@@GoGreenAutos battery capacity is now about 18 kWh.. just enough to get to work and back again!
You didn't mention any problem with the Costa coffee cup vs the C4 cup holder. Did it fit ok or did it not come within the remit of this video 😂
Already done a video on that ua-cam.com/video/SoGXbW--kDE/v-deo.htmlsi=QVvSulH3QQXAB729
and the foam inserts come with the car!
Well I can't believe it's been three years since Gridserve opened, doesn't time fly?! Thanks Matt, enjoyed that a lot. 👍👏
Can you guess what Sunday's video is about?
@@GoGreenAutos🤔😁
Interesting video, thanks for this. Just ordered one of these on a lease for £250/month. Will be charged at home 95% of the time, but after watching this I'm a bit more hopeful i can make the 180 mile trip to my parents without having to stop and charge along the way.
As always it depends on your driving efficiency. But initially, you'll probably want to stop for a 5-10 min top up just to give you a buffer as the range anxiety might get too much.
Very interesting video. I've got one of these cars and absolutely love it; I only do about 150 miles per week so rarely need to charge away from home. I charge on a granny charger overnight which costs about £6 per week. I do find a big drop in range in the winter compared with the summer, but nothing that causes any problems. I would highly recommend both the car and the electric life style.
You might like today's video then (out at 4pm), where I demo the self-driving tech in the e-C4.
Watched all the video on a 42-inch TV at normal speed and it felt a lot shorter than 30 minutes, so I obviously enjoyed it!
I would suggest that this Citroen EV is all the car most people would ever need in terms of size, performance, efficiency and range and all for the price of an equivalent ICE car like the Ford Focus.
Thanks Brian for the feedback. I thought this video would be far too boring, but its getting half decent views (for my little channel).
But yes, the e-C4 is a cracking EV and great value too. I'm very impressed with it.
It is more cramped inside than a Ford Focus and it has a low roof line when getting in and out if you are tall. A better family car would be an ID3 or Hyundai Ioniq first generation as they are bigger inside and have nicer interiors.
@@RB-lt8kt I never understood why they discontinued the first generation Ionic, which strikes me as arguably the best all-round EV ever made and is incredibly efficient. But having seen the Citroen in the flesh several times, I really like that too.
Yes I agree I guess it it because of the range ?@@briangriffiths114
I my time driving I have had 3 CX's , 2 BX's 1 XM, and a Zara piccaso , all had very good suspenion and very good seating. Now do I get a e-C4 ?
That’s insanely expensive. £20 for 125 miles?
Have you tried charging at Tesla Superchargers? Does it charge at this rate and drop significantly the nearer to full it gets?
Matt, I know you rate the Hyundai Ioniq 38Kwh so how do you rate the EC-4 in comparison. I also have an Ioniq which I think is a bit more efficient than the Citroen.
Personally I prefer the e-C4. Its less efficient, but then so is everything when comparing with the Ioniq. The ride is excellent in the e-C4 and its also quieter than the Ioniq. I just feels that little bit more premium. It really needs a better badge on the front as the Citroen logo doesn't justify it.
History has proven that Citroën has produced quite a few cars with high ride-quality, so all in all I think the e-C4 has the right badge on the front😎
@@PieterB76 spot on. This is a Citroën getting back to exactly what they were once renowned for - superior, class leading ride quality. It's taken them a while to remember what they were famous for but finally it seems like Stellantis are giving them their mojo back.
So,you are drinking coffee while driving😇,also,how many yrs could one expect to have an EV like this?
I could get a lower premium picking this instead of cupra born/vw id3.
I could probably reach malmo from esbjerg (distance of 329 km) on a 100% charge & in eco-mode slipstreaming.
Were thinking of purchasing a nearly new used Citroën e-c4. This was a really good video as you have done this in a manner in which we would use it. My only wee qualm would be that it would have been great if you have shown or said what the range was after you charged it to 91%.
Thanks for this video - I enjoyed it very much. I am on my 12th year as an EV-driver and I am considering a e-C4 as the next car. I am on my 3rd Zoe at the moment and I am very pleased with it but the e-C4 is a bit larger but the battery is a bit smaller, 46 kWh vs 52 kWh. I have so far driven more than 220000 km with my Zoes :) Changing cars in August I think since I will abandon Norway for Sweden so I will need a Swedish registred car in the future. Importing my own car isn't an option since Norway isn´t within the EU - to much taxes and VAT destroys the possibility. I will have a look at the other videos you´ve posted so far. One question - do the e-C4 have a limiter like the Renault have? I use it a lot both on the Zoe, the Captur and Kadjar I have. The consumption goes down a lot with it in use.
Charging at motorway services is a last resort, just as buying petrol is, its too expensive. I've gone from having to do it in a 22kW Zoe almost ten years ago, to almost never in a later Zoe with 50kW battery. The last time I recharged away from home was on the return from France as I was waiting for the ferry. The usual rules are: avoid charging away from home, and never stop to charge: charge only when you have to stop for the loo or coffee.
Needs a bigger battery at lower trim levels too. Top trim has very poor colours and dull black wheels. Would buy if lower trim levels had bigger battery.
Had to rent this car on a recent European trip because the rental car agency had no other car available (even though I pre-booked). It's a pain in the ass, the battery is good for 3 hours at the most on highway speeds and realistically you'd want to charge every 2 hours or so. In case the EV charging station doesn't work, you want to make sure you have enough range left to reach the next one.
Question. My e-c4 does 1.2 mil/kw when the heaters on. Is there a something wrong with it? Anyone knows?
Really confidence inspiring video, your driving style looks similar to mine. I pick up a C-Series Edition tomorrow that Citroen are flogging at frankly offensively cheap prices (Cheaper than equivalent spec petrol automatic!) with 0% finance to boot. I have had an EV before but didnt get into the nitty gritty - this one will be around for a while so useful to see what the range is like over longer distances. Looking forward to grabbing even more now!
Usually it is faster to charge several times than fewer times but longer. Then it is important to have as little charge as possible when charging because then you achieve the fastest charging speed. On longer journeys never charge above 80%. Before journeys it is ok to charge to 100%.
Been following for a while from Steventon, Oxfordshire and didn't know you were so close to me!
You shouldn’t be charging any EV to 100% daily
Giving it a Hoover and general clean would save some weight!
69p@kw at gridserve but you were charged 53p@kw ? . £20.80p would give me 172 miles in my hybrid at its current efficiency. Home Charging is where its cheapest I guess 🤔 . Good , straightforward video.
The drive there was at 7.5p pkWh as I charged at home over night. So I only use public rapid charging to top up enough to finish my journey and get me home.
Would you go for one of these or a Ioniq 38kWh ?
Great informative vid as always - going through options for 1st EV and its down to the Inoiq 38KW / Kona 2020 EVE premium SE or this the eC4 Shine Plus ATM - eC4 sits mid price on 2nd hand value though I really really like the Inoiq electric!! Quick Q - where was that Gridserve Charging station on the M25 - can you post a Google Link? Can't find it on Google maps atm
I only travel on the West side of the M25. There's now a load of new chargers at Cobham Services - see ua-cam.com/video/qc4mQ-8tMPY/v-deo.html
But not sure about the other parts of the M25. ZapMap will show them all.
I'd love to know what's so different about your eC4 compared to mine! Best I can safely get on a motorway run at 70mph even in eco mode is 120 miles from 100%. Similar area too... I did High Wycombe to Corsham last week - 90miles one way. I started with 100% and predicted range of 180 miles. Nice day, no rain and probably similar outdoor temperatures; arrived with 30 miles predicted range remaining.
A rapid charge back to full cost me over £26 at a staggering 85p/kWH (InstaVolt).
Not impressed 😔
Batteries are complete voodoo even to the manufacturers. early adopters will get shafted, depreciation, range, degradation, is massive issue. sounds like you're working with a very degraded battery. Use one of the apps and ODB2 connections to find out the true situation with your car. Or just put it up for sale, pronto. your choice.
Interesting video. But it's a very retrograde way of traveling. If you had four up with a headwind you would be down to less than a 100 miles range. They are great for very local driving but hopeless for long distance unless you want spend hours sat around charging the car.
No, the range will never be that low. Above 150 miles at very worst, in the worst conditions. But the reality is that the majority of people do only 20-40 miles a day, most days. So if you can charge from home while you sleep, range is not an issue at all. And the odd times you travel more than the range in a single day, you just do a quick DC charge.
I drive a eC4 , max charge rate that have done is 78 kw for a short burst , usually about 60kw , never near 100 kw as stated by Citroen
To be fair, that's the case with most EVs. The max charge rate is only for a short time, in perfect conditions, when the battery is at a low state of charge. So rarely seen in real life.
Why don’t you have regenerative breaking on?????
Regen is on, but if you mean the B mode, then that goes on when additional regen is needed. But its more efficient to drive with B mode off, especially on motorways. But the golden rule is that if you need to slow down, always use regen instead of brakes, if you can.
@@GoGreenAutos so I should have B mode off? I’ve had it on for a the cars 2 months now & I’ve been wondering why the mileage is a bit low. Thank you for that
@@Nas_Allie Well ultimately it makes no difference if you're correctly controlling your deceleration with your accelerator pedal. But if you tend to lift fully off the accelerator pedal, then at speed, you're better off to coast for longer than to regen. i.e. you don't want to be slowing down too much to then only use more energy to speed back up. Less regen can help. But its all about how you drive. Most people don't get it and react too late and don't drive as efficiently as they could. Just read the road ahead and coast as much as you can and when you need to slow down, do this by coasting and then more regen in B mode rather than braking. Using the brakes means you're wasting that kinetic energy into friction and heat in your brakes, rather than putting it back into the battery.
@@GoGreenAutos thank you for your advice. I have the 2024 50KhW version & it’s much more efficient after following your advice. It’s a great car I’m very happy with it, just a shame the battery isn’t a bit better (if I had a home charger this wouldn’t be a minor issue)
Thanks, great video and really useful as currently considering a purchase and our longest journey would be 110 miles to visit family. I think this confirms we'd have nothing to worry about.
Glad it was helpful
Great explainer at 20:47, pretty much sums up the key issues.
Trying to nudge MIL to get an E.V. as they currently have a Tesla in the household, but not for her personal and individual use. The bigger issue is that we need more places like Braintree to make it easier! Not all experiences are like this unfortunately. Hope all is well :) -- good video!
Thanks. Good to see you made it past 20 mins in!
I appreciate your video i am looking ev car and this very helpful. Many thanks
Glad it was helpful
Thanks good information, realistic usage is important when making your decisions. Price is the factor that limits the mass market.
EV aren't the premium they once were. Last month (maybe still now too) an e-Corsa was only £2K more than a petrol one. 1-2 year old EVs still within warranty are a bargain currently and in some cases actually cheaper than the ICE versions.
Great video.thanks for all the information really helpful as I have recently got my e-c4.
Thanks.
50 mph average motorway speed that's what i get in my old astra petrol car roadworks/ limits and a comfort stop half way
Of course its what you'd get in any car, as you're limited by the other traffic and the speed limit.
This video made me get my EC4 in December last year… absolutely love the car. I can vouch for the final figures as well as I get around the same 3.8 mpkwh doing my 120 mile round trip commute to work. You can’t drive it like a sports car, a relaxed driving style is what it prefers. Great video 👍
Thank you and glad to hear.
Yeah I have the 2024 model, drive like it’s Sunday & it gets a nice mileage but put your foot down it gets angry
What happens if its night driving with all the lights on ?Have I missed that video?
Lights do not reduce range as their consumption is hardly measurable.
Had one on a loaner 3 days ago. Started with 320km on full charge, and after about 50km of driving, it was down to 120km. Low temps drain the battery so fast, its -4 to -7c atm. Btw, I think its a 45kwh battery, but with about 40,5kwh usable.
No, these have a 50kWh battery with 46kWh usable. The later model has slightly larger pack with 50kWh usable.
@@GoGreenAutos looks like you are right.. I swear i looked it up, but now i cant find it 🙂
I do enjoy your videos Matt. I'm thinking of upgrading my Kia Soul EV (30 kWh) - 100 mile range is a little limiting, to a used Hyundai Ioniq (38.3) or the eC4, both top spec models. Either would satisfy my range needs and both are roughly the same price used (around 17 - 18K for a 21 plate). I know you're a fan of both cars Matt but if you had to pick, which one would you buy? I'm swithering towards the eC4 purely on looks and better range but it's a close call.
Yes, my preference would be the e-C4 for the comfort, raised height and heads-up display. This one will be up for sale in 3-4 weeks time.
Thanks Matt, I'll look out for it, though I do like the burnt orange colour.
Interesting video with real driving data. It is hard to do 70 mph on our roads because of lorries racing one another or IDIOTS who stay in the middle lane on 3 lane motorways. Police should book people if the stay i the centre lane.
Its even worse on 4+ lane motorways now that the hard shoulder has gone. People sit in lane 3 with 2 empty lanes on their left!
Yes M5 is like that where M42 joins it. Brilliant videos of real data and informative@@GoGreenAutos
Great numbers
Was this is Eco mode the whole way?
No, not used at all
At 14:58 you have a percentage displayed; how do you get this? On mine there is no way of seeing percent just miles range (which is wildly unreliable).
I have a video about this filmed and coming soon. You change the display with the button on the indicator stalk. Or press the button on the wiper stalk to temporarily see the percentage.
@@GoGreenAutos when I press the right stalk button it just shows the m/kWh but no percentage and then the Trips if I press again but no percentage!
@@doctorzimzimmer2996 Then I guess the software needs updating. Have you done this? Again, a video on how to do that is coming soon too.
@@GoGreenAutos I hope your video manages to get across how painful a process updating the software is!! If using a Mac make sure the USB is formatted to MS-DOS otherwise it fails and having to use the USB-C - and then just a mere hour and forty five minutes later it’s done (it had to do the maps too); but still no percentage shown :/
Lovely video. Just bought my first EV Citroen EC4. Greetings from Denmark, almost similar weather conditions so great video👍
Thanks! 👍
30.3kWh in about 41 min, that means an average charging power of 44.3kW. Quite far from the advertised 101kW 🧐 It must have quite a strange charging curve.
No, it’s a completely normal charging curve. No idea to charge much over 80% on longer journeys.
@@Sherukka that’s not the point. Here he charged from 23% up to 91%. The battery capacity is 51kWh. At 101 kW as advertised, even if he had charged up to 80%, Matt should have gained 29.07kWh in 17 min. But at 44kW that the car is actually accepting, 23%-80% would have still lasted ~38 minutes instead of 17min, at the charging power advertised. So twice longer. That’s not great.
@@Nikoo033 Everybody should know what advertised charging speed means in EVs today. 100 = max charging speed. Better to check the time to charge from 10 - 80% and that’s about half an hour with the latest Citroen software.
@@Sherukka according to Matt’s video and my calculations, it clearly never has reached anywhere near 100kW, if anything barely 45kW, so 40 min. Not even 30 min. Basically: misleading.
@@Nikoo033 You own an EV? Depends of course also on the charging stations, they are not made equal. Choose Kempower, if available.
Cost me today - £31 to buy 36.5kwh which will get me 90 motorway miles
That’s got to be twice as much as a petrol or diesel
I can’t get excited about these charging sites with insane pricing sorry
Gridserve is 69p pkWh. The e-C4 was doing 3.8mpkWh at motorway speeds. So £31 would get me ~171 miles on the motorway. You must have a very thirsty EV or your maths is wrong.
@@GoGreenAutos My maths is spot on, I even took a screen shot.
Bridgwater on M5
£0.85p KWh
Took 49 mins to get them 36.5kw in too.
Bit of a joke to be honest
Only good thing is my employer pays for the electric and I invoice them for every minute I’m sat waiting for the car to charge which usually totals around £500-£600 a month, that’s before they’ve paid for the electric 😂
disappointing charging speed, disappointing screen and resolution. designed by 8 year old by the looks of it. disappointing cost.... 69p per kwh.... £20.88 for how many miles? Sounds more expensive than a diesel tbh.... massive depreciation. who in their right mind buys a Citroen, petrol or electric?
Yes public rapid charging is expensive, but the outward journey was at 7.5p pkWh. If you can charge from home, EVs make huge sense. If you can't and would be reliant of public charging alone, then you don't switch to EV for lower running costs. (Its about the same with the current electricity pricing).
what was the 190 in the green box either side of the map display?
Passenger and driver climate temp, 19.0 c
Climate control temperature at 19 degC. It's a bizarre way of displaying it on the e-C4 and taking up so much of the display. They've changed it on the later model, but the older ones remain the same, even after a software update.
I do like the C4 , I think we need a car with good suspension with state of our roads.
You drove too slowly. This is not a test at highway speeds (82 mph).
The efficiency of the e-C4 engine is terrible. Not suitable for the holidays.
That’s not actually legal in the UK.