I love this video. I wish all review channels would give self driving the attention it deserves. Its not sufficient to name the options of adaptive cruise control and lane keep assist, along with other options such as seat heating etc. The nuances result in very significant real world differences, and for me its the single most important feature of a car this days. I currently drive 2020 toyota corolla, and absolutely rely on the feature. I would rather drive a yaris (with the same system) as a next car than a much better car with a much worse system
Thanks for posting. I upgraded from a shine to a shine plus which as you demonstrate has the full driver lane assist etc to take advantage of the feature. I find the system very efficient and use regularly on the numerous motorway works being done in Essex. I do find it really keeping the car centred on the road, which on occasion is not where you want to be when you have a car heading your way crossing the centre line as it overtakes, so the reminder to keep full control of the steering wheel does its job.
I've driven very old cars for the last 10 years, now I've got that new C4 with Petrol Engine and the same System. I must say I really like it on our Autobahn. Very relaxing drive, never thought I would actual enjoy a Car that drives itself.
I would never rely on the autonomy / lane keep assist on a two way road. However the eC4 is pretty good on dual carriageways and motorways, with the variable cruise control being excellent. It certainly makes for a more relaxed journey on dual carriageways / motorways.
Great video. There are so few independent sources of this kind of information. It drives me nuts how most reviews gloss over these systems, when the good systems make such a difference to motorway driving. I'm also amazed at how car specs online (like Autotrader) often don't even mention this tech. So it can be really hard to see if a model even has lane centring etc. Which makes videos like yours essential.
Yeh. You always need to keep your hands on the steering wheel. I think of it as me helping the car steer. As you say, it tends to get a bit close to the centre line and the lane assist is the same. But it makes driving so relaxing on dual carriageways and motorways.
I now feel better informed about how these systems work on my EV, so another good video. I often wonder how we have managed to advance technology so quickly during the last 15-20 years compared with the same time period before this.
it is a gamble to take the hands off the steering wheel as lane keep assist and radar and camera are not good enough. lane keep assist can be good on busy roads with multiple lanes and that's about it. Adaptive cruise is good for motoways when you don't need to save range or you are a bit tired or on a longer journey
I just want to add that my Hyundai Ioniq Electric 38 kWh has an incredibly smooth Lane Follow Assist. I use the adaptive cruise control with the LFA as often as I can.
I only have the Sense Plus, so no full autonomous driving, but the LKA is very good, it doesn’t try to wrench the wheel out of your hands and only engages when it’s actually required. Can’t say that for other cars I’ve driven.
Yes I've found the Citroen system to be bar more subtle than other vehicles and while sometimes it doesn't react when it should really do, when it does, it's far more gentle.
Thanks for showing this Matt. I don't think I'll be using it on my Ioniq 38kWh, I'd spend too much energy worrying it was going to screw up! Spent too many years driving myself in buses and cars to leave my safety in the hands of a piece of electronic kit like that!😅👍👏
@@GoGreenAutos having had the steering wheel tugged from my hands by LKA taking me towards the middle of the road...you had the same thing on those right hand bends being alarmingly close to oncoming lorries, I think I'll stick to being a highly trained Luddite for the time being! Speaking of training I'd like to know who programmes these things, how well trained in roadcraft are they? Some people will want to cut off a right hand bend like that as if they're on a race track but that's not altogether sensible on a road with potential oncoming traffic. Honestly the more I think about it the more I ask myself if the Tesla system is preventing so many accidents just how bad is driver training these days?! For our overseas viewers I'm referring to right hand bends on British roads btw. 👍😄
@@judebrown4103 actually, this is quite apt because Tesla have done a complete rewrite and started again on their AutoPilot system. They've removed all the code/rules and trained the AI system purely on camera feeds from Tesla drivers. This vision only AI learning seems to work very well and improves at far greater speed as they just 'feed' it more video. This is why Tesla will win the self driving race and all others will fail as Tesla have the data advantage (as well as the AI systems and computing power). Its not in public use yet, but Elon did a live stream demo on X recently. But of course, if you feed the AI system video from bad drivers, you get the same driving habits passed into all the cars! This video shows a short version of the demo and explains it well ua-cam.com/video/ZI7-Swmuo4A/v-deo.htmlsi=xIqMN9WM3GMMcJ05 Its well worth watching, as most people don't realise how well this is progressing.
My 28 Ioniq has all that, it’s great, I started using “cruise” more on the 30mph roads so I don’t have to keep glancing away from the road ahead, had to stop using the Ioniq system because if there is a T junction on a RH bend and if one of those motorists, that doesn’t expect to have to wait for anyone, pulls up! The radar that looks straight ahead, hits the brakes and that motorist takes advantage and pulls off in front of me making me hit the brakes and thinking “jeez” and of course if the motorist behind isn’t paying proper attention starts steering erratically side to side as tho this helps somehow.. 😮
Yes, so can pretty much all cars. But its the bends that many can't handle. Also some don't allow self driving below a certain speed which is typically 40-50mph, which I guess is a way of keep its use to dual carriage ways and motorways.
Really useful review of this feature. I use cruise all the time and always have, I wouldn’t buy any car without it, but I’m not sure how useful lane assist is if I’m being honest? Adaptive cruise sounds brilliant though and I’ll be happy enough with that I think.
Having driven many other cars with lane keep, there are times when its handy as it corrects you. But that's when you're not concentrating, looking at the sat nav, etc.
@@GoGreenAutos good point. I was watching a review this morning and the presenter was trying to navigate and find charging facilities. It took ages and all I could think of is how dangerous it is to look away, so maybe that’s when to employ it; as a temporary measure? I’m seriously considering buying a used version and your reviews (of cars and now the more nuanced aspects of owning and driving) are very useful. More useful than any franchised dealership that’s for sure!
Matt. When you said you just have to touch the steering wheel etc, you gave it a little wiggle. Is the system on the Citroën based a a touch type system or is it based on weight on the wheel as in the old systems. The old VW systems were based on having some weight on the steering wheel from a hand etc, so people used to shove a water bottle in the wheel spokes so they could leave it on all the time! Also, does this system require some pressure on the 10 to 2 hand positions or does anywhere count, if so could you get away with just having a couple of fingers on the bottom of the wheel? Thinking next car will be a Kona but there's reports that the car always likes to have your hands on the wheel with some pressure put on it! The only thing that puts me off about these lovely cars is the 46ish kwh (usable) battery, compared to the 64 of the Kona - useful for my 'spirited' driving!
The wheel needs some resistance, so you can touch it anywhere and just turn it slightly or put pressure against it turning. This all might well change next year as the GOV are finally sorting out the autonomous driving laws. However, I doubt if cars like this will change as it will require software change and maybe even hardware. But Teslas will get an over the air update to allow hands free driving and of course all new models from other manufacturers will operate differently based on the new laws. As for battery size, personally I don't find 46kWh limiting at all. For example, I've just been on a 3 hour journey this morning, with heater on and in sport mode on the way back. Arrived back at 30% SoC. If you can't charge from home though, you'd want as large battery as you can afford. I'm impressed with the e-C4 ride quality, quietness and premium feeling. I'd have it over a Kona, Ioniq 38 or MG models any day....if outright range wasn't my top priority. But I've driven early Zoe/Leafs for years, so anything with over 150 mile range feels satisfactory to me.
In truth, these systems aren’t so that you can take your hands off the wheel. They’re there to ease the strain on your arms and legs when driving long distances, and a bit for safety in case of sudden loss of attention to the road. Works indeed really well on the Ioniq 28kWh. With the Ioniq it also accelerates on its own as soon as you indicate that you want to overtake a car on the motorway. Something that Teslas don’t do. The best system so far seems to be with the Skoda Enyaq EV, which is able to modulate the speed of the car according to the curvature of the road as well.
As for the acceleration when over taking, don't they all do this? That is if your cruise control speed is set higher than the current speed which is being limited by the radar detecting a vehicle in front. I've not experienced a vehicle that doesn't accelerate. Not tried the Tesla Autopilot much as my own (old) Tesla doesn't have it.
@@GoGreenAutos correct, the adaptative cruise control has to be set higher than the current speed (being reduced by a car in front) but nope, Tesla EVs don’t do it. Multiple videos on UA-cam showing people switching lanes to overtake, then the Tesla EV only starting to accelerate once fully in the overtaking lane. Bonkers behaviour.
No audible warning. But the visuals are on the dash in the heads-up display, so hard to miss. The e-C4 rarely beeps, which is great. Not like the Ioniq.
Yes the car comes to a stop too and will then pull away again when it can. Some cars don't. It depends on how long you're stationary for. I've not tested the e-C4 in stop/start traffic.
Some german cars and teslas start moving after full stop in traffic itself in any period of time. Others like this one you need press resume or press accelerator shortly. My nissan leaf weirdest one at this point-need to accelerate to certain speed (in middle of traffic!) to resume. Thats the main reason why I want get rid of my Leaf and watching this video.
We have autonomous cars driving in Oxfordshire for a few years as there's a few tech firms locally working on this. But they all have a safety driver due to our laws not yet allowing full autonomy. But that might be changing next year.
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The EC-4 is a really good car, even though I am an Ioniq 38kwh driver I don't think the Citroen gets enough good press. Possibly my next car.
Yes I agree. I've always said the Ioniq is the best used EV for under £20K. I now think the e-C4 is (if outright range isn't your top priority).
I love this video.
I wish all review channels would give self driving the attention it deserves. Its not sufficient to name the options of adaptive cruise control and lane keep assist, along with other options such as seat heating etc. The nuances result in very significant real world differences, and for me its the single most important feature of a car this days.
I currently drive 2020 toyota corolla, and absolutely rely on the feature. I would rather drive a yaris (with the same system) as a next car than a much better car with a much worse system
Having adaptive cruise control with my car I’ll never buy one without. Safe and relaxing.
Thanks for posting. I upgraded from a shine to a shine plus which as you demonstrate has the full driver lane assist etc to take advantage of the feature. I find the system very efficient and use regularly on the numerous motorway works being done in Essex. I do find it really keeping the car centred on the road, which on occasion is not where you want to be when you have a car heading your way crossing the centre line as it overtakes, so the reminder to keep full control of the steering wheel does its job.
It used to keep you at the position you are when activating the function?
I've driven very old cars for the last 10 years, now I've got that new C4 with Petrol Engine and the same System. I must say I really like it on our Autobahn. Very relaxing drive, never thought I would actual enjoy a Car that drives itself.
Thanks for this just bought a 2nd hand ec4 and had read about these options.
Just had no idea how to activate and you explained it perfectly.
Glad the video helped.
I would never rely on the autonomy / lane keep assist on a two way road. However the eC4 is pretty good on dual carriageways and motorways, with the variable cruise control being excellent. It certainly makes for a more relaxed journey on dual carriageways / motorways.
Great video. There are so few independent sources of this kind of information. It drives me nuts how most reviews gloss over these systems, when the good systems make such a difference to motorway driving. I'm also amazed at how car specs online (like Autotrader) often don't even mention this tech. So it can be really hard to see if a model even has lane centring etc. Which makes videos like yours essential.
Glad it was helpful
Yeh. You always need to keep your hands on the steering wheel. I think of it as me helping the car steer. As you say, it tends to get a bit close to the centre line and the lane assist is the same. But it makes driving so relaxing on dual carriageways and motorways.
I now feel better informed about how these systems work on my EV, so another good video.
I often wonder how we have managed to advance technology so quickly during the last 15-20 years compared with the same time period before this.
Most modern cars less than 6 years old have this technology, but many don't realise or don't use it or know how to use it. To be fair, I never use it.
it is a gamble to take the hands off the steering wheel as lane keep assist and radar and camera are not good enough. lane keep assist can be good on busy roads with multiple lanes and that's about it. Adaptive cruise is good for motoways when you don't need to save range or you are a bit tired or on a longer journey
Nice video as always. Our 23 plate MG is great in a straight line with adaptive etc.... not so good in the corners! Like the look of the EC4.
Yes, that is what I tried to show. I think I'll do more tests with other vehicles on the same bends and show how these systems differ.
I have the same features on my 2022 Ford Focus - love it! 😊
I just want to add that my Hyundai Ioniq Electric 38 kWh has an incredibly smooth Lane Follow Assist. I use the adaptive cruise control with the LFA as often as I can.
I have an Ioniq 38kWh too, but it can't handle these particular bends that the e-C4 did so easily.
I only have the Sense Plus, so no full autonomous driving, but the LKA is very good, it doesn’t try to wrench the wheel out of your hands and only engages when it’s actually required. Can’t say that for other cars I’ve driven.
Yes I've found the Citroen system to be bar more subtle than other vehicles and while sometimes it doesn't react when it should really do, when it does, it's far more gentle.
Thanks for showing this Matt. I don't think I'll be using it on my Ioniq 38kWh, I'd spend too much energy worrying it was going to screw up! Spent too many years driving myself in buses and cars to leave my safety in the hands of a piece of electronic kit like that!😅👍👏
Tesla have proved using Autopilot is 9 times safer than humans driving!
@@GoGreenAutos having had the steering wheel tugged from my hands by LKA taking me towards the middle of the road...you had the same thing on those right hand bends being alarmingly close to oncoming lorries, I think I'll stick to being a highly trained Luddite for the time being! Speaking of training I'd like to know who programmes these things, how well trained in roadcraft are they? Some people will want to cut off a right hand bend like that as if they're on a race track but that's not altogether sensible on a road with potential oncoming traffic. Honestly the more I think about it the more I ask myself if the Tesla system is preventing so many accidents just how bad is driver training these days?!
For our overseas viewers I'm referring to right hand bends on British roads btw. 👍😄
@@judebrown4103 actually, this is quite apt because Tesla have done a complete rewrite and started again on their AutoPilot system. They've removed all the code/rules and trained the AI system purely on camera feeds from Tesla drivers. This vision only AI learning seems to work very well and improves at far greater speed as they just 'feed' it more video. This is why Tesla will win the self driving race and all others will fail as Tesla have the data advantage (as well as the AI systems and computing power). Its not in public use yet, but Elon did a live stream demo on X recently.
But of course, if you feed the AI system video from bad drivers, you get the same driving habits passed into all the cars!
This video shows a short version of the demo and explains it well ua-cam.com/video/ZI7-Swmuo4A/v-deo.htmlsi=xIqMN9WM3GMMcJ05
Its well worth watching, as most people don't realise how well this is progressing.
My 28 Ioniq has all that, it’s great, I started using “cruise” more on the 30mph roads so I don’t have to keep glancing away from the road ahead, had to stop using the Ioniq system because if there is a T junction on a RH bend and if one of those motorists, that doesn’t expect to have to wait for anyone, pulls up! The radar that looks straight ahead, hits the brakes and that motorist takes advantage and pulls off in front of me making me hit the brakes and thinking “jeez” and of course if the motorist behind isn’t paying proper attention starts steering erratically side to side as tho this helps somehow.. 😮
I've had a few instances in the Ioniq when its done an emergency stop, because it can't see the car is pulling off the road/lane.
Stellantis did good job! But it is good to remind the common Golf VII and VIII can do the same (travell assist) :-)
Yes, so can pretty much all cars. But its the bends that many can't handle. Also some don't allow self driving below a certain speed which is typically 40-50mph, which I guess is a way of keep its use to dual carriage ways and motorways.
Ours Has gone in for the replacement of the "Charger" again !. I dont hnow why, Hpoe this is not a problem for other owners?
Thank you 4 your video.
Really useful review of this feature. I use cruise all the time and always have, I wouldn’t buy any car without it, but I’m not sure how useful lane assist is if I’m being honest? Adaptive cruise sounds brilliant though and I’ll be happy enough with that I think.
Having driven many other cars with lane keep, there are times when its handy as it corrects you. But that's when you're not concentrating, looking at the sat nav, etc.
@@GoGreenAutos good point. I was watching a review this morning and the presenter was trying to navigate and find charging facilities. It took ages and all I could think of is how dangerous it is to look away, so maybe that’s when to employ it; as a temporary measure? I’m seriously considering buying a used version and your reviews (of cars and now the more nuanced aspects of owning and driving) are very useful. More useful than any franchised dealership that’s for sure!
Mustang Mach e has self driving already, called Blue cruise.
Matt. When you said you just have to touch the steering wheel etc, you gave it a little wiggle. Is the system on the Citroën based a a touch type system or is it based on weight on the wheel as in the old systems.
The old VW systems were based on having some weight on the steering wheel from a hand etc, so people used to shove a water bottle in the wheel spokes so they could leave it on all the time!
Also, does this system require some pressure on the 10 to 2 hand positions or does anywhere count, if so could you get away with just having a couple of fingers on the bottom of the wheel?
Thinking next car will be a Kona but there's reports that the car always likes to have your hands on the wheel with some pressure put on it! The only thing that puts me off about these lovely cars is the 46ish kwh (usable) battery, compared to the 64 of the Kona - useful for my 'spirited' driving!
The wheel needs some resistance, so you can touch it anywhere and just turn it slightly or put pressure against it turning.
This all might well change next year as the GOV are finally sorting out the autonomous driving laws. However, I doubt if cars like this will change as it will require software change and maybe even hardware. But Teslas will get an over the air update to allow hands free driving and of course all new models from other manufacturers will operate differently based on the new laws.
As for battery size, personally I don't find 46kWh limiting at all. For example, I've just been on a 3 hour journey this morning, with heater on and in sport mode on the way back. Arrived back at 30% SoC. If you can't charge from home though, you'd want as large battery as you can afford.
I'm impressed with the e-C4 ride quality, quietness and premium feeling. I'd have it over a Kona, Ioniq 38 or MG models any day....if outright range wasn't my top priority.
But I've driven early Zoe/Leafs for years, so anything with over 150 mile range feels satisfactory to me.
I have this on my c5. It drives me nuts and I always switch it off
In truth, these systems aren’t so that you can take your hands off the wheel. They’re there to ease the strain on your arms and legs when driving long distances, and a bit for safety in case of sudden loss of attention to the road. Works indeed really well on the Ioniq 28kWh. With the Ioniq it also accelerates on its own as soon as you indicate that you want to overtake a car on the motorway. Something that Teslas don’t do. The best system so far seems to be with the Skoda Enyaq EV, which is able to modulate the speed of the car according to the curvature of the road as well.
As for the acceleration when over taking, don't they all do this? That is if your cruise control speed is set higher than the current speed which is being limited by the radar detecting a vehicle in front. I've not experienced a vehicle that doesn't accelerate.
Not tried the Tesla Autopilot much as my own (old) Tesla doesn't have it.
@@GoGreenAutos correct, the adaptative cruise control has to be set higher than the current speed (being reduced by a car in front) but nope, Tesla EVs don’t do it. Multiple videos on UA-cam showing people switching lanes to overtake, then the Tesla EV only starting to accelerate once fully in the overtaking lane. Bonkers behaviour.
@@Nikoo033 I'll have a look at that then. Maybe a future video!
There's been a 20 min re call on software for these vehicles mines been in garage for over a week have you had same problems 😔
When the Lane Keep Assist stops working, and the lines turn white, is there also an audible warning? My Ioniq 28kWh does not have one.
No audible warning. But the visuals are on the dash in the heads-up display, so hard to miss. The e-C4 rarely beeps, which is great. Not like the Ioniq.
@@GoGreenAutos 😀 Yes, there are rather a lot! Must be much more noticeable in the head-up display.
What happens if the car in front of you came to a full stop, would the adaptive cruise control still be active? or do you have to restart it again?
Yes the car comes to a stop too and will then pull away again when it can. Some cars don't. It depends on how long you're stationary for. I've not tested the e-C4 in stop/start traffic.
Some german cars and teslas start moving after full stop in traffic itself in any period of time. Others like this one you need press resume or press accelerator shortly. My nissan leaf weirdest one at this point-need to accelerate to certain speed (in middle of traffic!) to resume. Thats the main reason why I want get rid of my Leaf and watching this video.
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Lka strikes me as dangerous except perhaps on motorways. I don’t really see the point as one has to concentrate anyway,in case it fails.
Never tried to let my e2008 to do it it’s self .
That's scary, glad I've never needed a car to drive for me! Lol
They bus in Scotland that has no driver but it has it own road with no cars truck auto pilot
We have autonomous cars driving in Oxfordshire for a few years as there's a few tech firms locally working on this. But they all have a safety driver due to our laws not yet allowing full autonomy. But that might be changing next year.
Can't work out why so many people buy cars and then are so desperate not to want to drive them themselves?
Stats are now showing that cars in self-driving mode are considerably safer than humans! Tesla Autopilot for example is 9 times safer.
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Driving like this can be very dangerous!
The self driving in the modern. Tesla cars is so much better and is 100% safe on all roads imo
Ew and where are you going to use it in Ireland?