@@truthgiver8286 Must you always resort to insults and name calling? I’m totally serious. It’s so unnecessary. People should be able to disagree without becoming aggressive and being mean spirited. God is love, and love is real.
@@mlumbra8874 - God is love, and love is real"?? -- the Bible condones forced abortion "Ordeal Of the Bitter Water' (Numbers 5:11-31) The pious antiabortionists want no exceptions for rape and incest. Why should they? they're positively Biblical. But an exception for punishing adultery? absolutely. It is 'as God intended' The Bible and it's horrid god demands genocidal infanticide, one of MANY examples; (Numbers 31:16-18) "Why didn't you murder the women and children? Who told you to be merciful? Not get back over there and slaughter all the women, children, and babies - except, of course, the virgins. Keep them for yourselves as the spoils of genocidal war" (the little girls, presumably under the average marrying age [at the time] of 14 - get no say) And kidnapping and raping little girls. The Bible is very clear about the proper way to deal with abducted virgins. (Deuteronomy 21:10-14) - "When you're out committing (God commanded) genocidal slaughter and you see a girl that arouses you - after murdering her family in front of her - kidnap her, strip her naked, shave her head, and lock her in a room for a month - until her spirit is completely broken - then, it's okay to rape her" (the girl gets no say) Which is in perfect keeping with Biblical rape laws being about punishment for 'property damage' - (Deuteronomy 22:28-29) - "If a man rapes a girl his punishment shall be to pay the girl's father 50 coins - and marry her so he can rape her for the rest of her life" (the girl gets no say) How long do you think slavery would have lasted if the Bible had condemned it, instead of condoning it more than a dozen times (OT and NT)? How long would gays have to fight for being treated like equal human beings if the Bible , and its god, hadn't said "they are an abomination that shall be put to death" It is long past time that we expunge this immoral Doomsday Cult from our society. That we quit paying deference to a book, and its god, that condones genocide, slavery, kidnapping and raping, murder, forced abortion, misogyny, etc.. That we recognize the troubles these beliefs bring on society. That we quit buying into the Church mandated edict that we must respect these beliefs in immoral fairy tales because they claim to believe it 'extra special hard'
Tyson said a person can wake up each morning and decide if they're a man, woman, neither, or something in-between. Yeah, I'll be sticking with The Holy Bible.
I might be going out on a limb here, but I feel Tyson is being paid a large amount of money to say some of the things he has been saying in the media lately. I know this statement is attacking his character, but that is not my intention. I know the devil works hard to convince the masses to believe in anything, but Jesus Christ and I'm just trying to expose that. God bless Tyson, and I pray he can let Jesus into his heart someday soon.
If this is the information you gathered over the many years hes been teaching, This man has taught millions. I suggest listening 1st. Learning might be to much to ask reading your statement
@@brotherjulienunderstanding how our earth actually rotates, what earth is made of, and how our core affects the rotation, Dr Tysons comment isnt wrong persay..hes trying to make you think that there is alot going on, not just a spinning ball at a constant rate.
No BS....I was 46 years old near the end of my rope in this world when I did like the Christians say to do and I called on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and sure enough the Spirit of the living God came into my soul and bore witness on my conscience that the Bible is true and then I knew the Bible is true and now I believe too that the Bible is true ... And plus all things became new . Hallelujah glory to God!
It's a new birth which is the new creation of the Spirit of God himself making you spirituality born not of flesh but of the Spirit of Christ who is the Light blowing your natural mind and now relating a spiritual mind that now is total reality in that natural mind too. Now the Spirit of Darkness will try to steal that new life of light. Now you think and act against using His Light against the forces of darkness. Battles with the Lord's light to destroy it. It's real when you become alive in Christ!
I love the way Dr. Ross so eloquently slams those people who are so errogant and pompass. He just methodically states the facts, and never allows emotion to sway his position. He just slays away!
i love that he has you fooled, he isn't that eloquent either, and more to the point he is a liar and he is lying to you - me i know what's what with science, and ross is an idiot setting himself for a big fall when we finally find out that god DID NOT do it, just more nature did it, but he is lying to YOU not me, i don't care, but you are being a sucker for pseudo science.
Dr Ross is either a fool or a liar, I'm tendng to think the latter. He would look at all the expanses of the universe and refute it all to rather believe the child like God of the Bible.
yep, so keep the talking snake and donkey cult to yourself until you can persuade god to come out of hiding, for someone "all powerful" he's a total coward.
Mankind has concocted thousands of god claims throughout recorded history, none of which have ever been proven by any reasonable standard of evidence, including yours 😉 and faith is nothing more than the excuse that people give when they do not have good reason for their beliefs. If they had good reason, they would never need faith 💁
@@Scott-zm8eiThey can't, this is likely where the vitriol stems from. They refuse to acknowledge the reality that their beliefs, lacking substantiating evidence, are nothing more than faith wrapped in the more scientifically palatable/respectable cloak of 'theory'. It seems for so many, their atheistic worldview shapes their unwaivering belief in unproven scientific theories rather than proven scientific evidence shaping their atheistic worldview. Yet they have the audacity to roll their eyes and dismiss those who place their faith in God. Such is the folly of man.
lennox is another liar along with ross. if you knew anything about science or were actually interested in science you'd be on a science page, not a god propaganda page. christians are the least trustworthy people on the planet, ross is lying to YOU, me i don't care what he says, but you should be on the watch for supporting people who lie about their own god.
I wish someone could arrange an afternoon-long sit-down luncheon for Drs. Ross and Tyson to discuss these matters sometime. In November 1996 I was making preliminary plans to see if a similar sit-down luncheon could be arranged for Dr. Robert C. Newman, principal author of GENESIS ONE AND THE ORIGIN OF THE EARTH, and Dr. Carl Sagan. (Newman finished his Ph.D. in astrophysics at Cornell shortly before Dr. Sagan was hired as faculty there, then Newman trained further after Cornell as a theologian/Bible scholar as well.) Unknown to me at the time, Dr. Sagan was terminally ill with cancer, away from Ithaca in Seattle for treatment, and then died a month later, so my hopeful efforts were too late. But it's not yet too late for Ross and Tyson to meet under similar, nonconfrontational circumstances.
@@tondaqakin3275 A waste of time for both. Each has their own view and would not be swayed from their believe no matter what argument was presented by the other.
Ya never know. The next "Paul" may be lurking inside of Tyson. Not being God, i don't think we can know. Its just our job to try to make Him known.@Temulon
@@tondaqakin3275 yes cos any decent debate would show him up as the liar he is. but you love being lied to, that's why you're on a religious page doing science and not a science page, you don't actually care that ross is lying cos YOU tell the same lies in turn, you parrot the bollocks he talks just like you parrot the bible - none of you have nothing novel to add. here you are, watch ross talk bollocks : Dr Hugh Ross Astronomer, Does fine tuning indicate a designer on tjump channel.
if salvation is the most important you'd think your god wouldn't have screwed up the message so badly 1) - There is no scriptural provision to reconcile the doctrines of Original Sin and Free Will Salvation, as pertains to dead babies. According to Christianity we are born despicable filthy sinners deserving of eternal torture and must make a conscious free will decision to accept Jesus in order to avoid going to hell. (John 3:3 - "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God."). The most Christians can do is cite vague Old Testament verses from before the New Covenant of free will salvation thru Jesus, or some absurd dogma that has no founding in scripture or church history - which includes the invention of Limbo to address the obvious doctrinal absurdity. There is nothing that says children get a free pass. And if there was a loophole for Original Sin then Jesus is no longer essential to salvation. According to Christian doctrine dead babies burn in hell - unless you want to call Jesus a liar (John 3:3) 2) Jesus hasn't saved anyone (with the possible exception of the thief next to him on the cross - if you believe fairy tales full of crucifixional zombies). According to [1 Thessalonians 4:13-18] no one goes to heaven when they die. Everyone rots in the ground (sleeps in Christ) until the rapture. No one has been saved from death by Jesus - yet ... Again, the most Christians can do is cite another verse that suggests something different - which only demonstrates the Bible is a contradictory mess, and does nothing to show which contradictory passage is the correct one.
@@DwayneShaw1you are so confused my man. But that is expected from someone flogging themselves into a frenzy, frantically trying to pit their limited mind against the God of the universe. The Bible says " a fool has said in his heart there is no God"
@@heels-villeshoerepairs8613 _ how do YOU know the mind of the god of the universe ??? - ya double talking hypocrite - How did YOU get special powers to KNOW what other humans can't know? And it did not go without notice that you utterly and completely avoid actuallly trying to refute what I actually said -- probably because you get your scripture from bumper stickers - Let me help you with your Bible study Matthew 5:22 - "But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire." 1 Peter 3:15 - "But in your hearts revere Christ as LORD. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect."
@@heels-villeshoerepairs8613you are not even considering his argument. Yet he is in a frenzy, he is frantic? Keep your judgement to yourself, fool. Just because you are convinced of something, doesn't make it true necessarily. Faith is no substitute for empirical evidence.
@@heels-villeshoerepairs8613 Former Vatican translator of 17 Old Testament books tells it like it is: ua-cam.com/video/iMwSGQh5QH0/v-deo.htmlsi=Cr89v5UC6rf4czCi Letter to the Corinthians... 1 Cor 15:12-19 Oh boy, what a mess Paul was trying to salvage. And it's right there for everyone to read.
I have listened to Dr Tyson for a few years and I have been convinced he has no clue what he is talking about,and a person is wise to listen to Dr Ross.
@@Jesusismylord1st the balls of you folks amazes me, you have no evidence of this god of yours but you act like you're co owners of the planet. you totally lack self awareness.
And you people would read the childish stories of your book and try to find wisdom in those stories. And believe this lying charlatan rather than try to understand the beauty of this universe.
If you quarter a sphere, like the earth or an orange, from pole to pole. The poles display the four corners of the sphere. Four corners therefore implies a sphere, not a plane.
IF you dissect a sphere from POLE to POLE the - the (TWO) poles display the FOUR corners of the sphere -- that's a lot of extemporaneous bullshit to try to demonstrate the truth of bullshit claims - Where in the Bible does it talk about dissecting the earth to create four corners? Proverbs 30:5-6 Every word of God proves true; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him. Do not add to his words, lest he rebuke you and you be found a liar.
When I listen to Dr. Tyson I get this sense that he became an astrophysicist in order to be admired. Dr. Ross on the other hand seems to be searching for clarity and truth and found it on biblical scripture.
@@michaeltamajong2988 sorry but you're something of a nit wit who either never met an atheist or just loves making bollocks up just to feel good about the fantasy world you live in. ross is a liar, as far as i'm concerned he can talk bollocks all day long, it doesn't affect the truth of the matter, but he is lying to YOU as well, and you LOVE being lied to by this guy, so much so that you're on a religious page and not on a science page - that's the extent of your inquiry, it's called confirmation bias, when you like the lie so much you avoid the truth like the plague. "god did it" couldn't boil a kettle, science always wins mate. read it and weep. ross is a liar.
@@HarryNicNicholas blah blah blah! If you have nothing to say than call people whose intellect you don't compare liars, we have no reason to take you seriously. Ross is an excellent scientist you probably will never accomplish what he has. So yeah! Feel free to speak your mind, but no one takes people who speak like that seriously (apparently atheists do...)
@@HarryNicNicholasSometimes I agree with Tyson. Other times I think he's Cherry picking his facts, or has no conclusive evidence for his statements. I'm waiting for anyone to disprove Ross. You or I haven't.
Did God create this whole wide universe that exists past our small planet? And you believe that that God created land and water and trees before he created all this wide universe? If you believe that, respectfully, you're naive and should stick to your childlike stories in your Holy book than comment on science.
There is some recent research pointing in that direction. Scientific Reports published "Fluidity of gender identity induced by illusory body-sex change" by Tacikowski et al.
@@davidbordwell8346 Neil is not even a scientist. He doesn't do any actual science. He is a science popularizer. He has done no actual scientific work himself.
Actually, it’s the scientific community that has to keep changing its model as we learn more about the world. For example, modern genetics completely disproved Darwin’s theories. It’s either that or completely ignore some of the new discoveries that contradicts as anomalies.
That's following the data- "new evidence." With your claim you're asserting that scientists are able to change their minds if proven wrong. Meanwhile, theists...
@@mgwright56 “Using data from Fitzroy and others, Darwin fudged the result he wanted: the finches, he decided, were neatly divided up among the islands. In fact, they aren’t. Multiple species of finches often occur together on the same islands; theirs is a much more complicated evolutionary story than the mockingbirds’.” Andrew berry London review.
i love that religists talk utter nonsense and think they are being profound, no one has proved anything mate and i bet it would take you half an hour to explain that gibberish you just wrote.
Just a bunch of fools leading fools. If this geezer flaunts his academic credentials while still believing and condoning religious garbage, then he is either profoundly stupid or an outright liar.
There's something to be said of how the initial argument Neil makes is in opposition to a very accurate representation of a position of scriptural literalism sincerely held by many Christrians... Hugh mentions how there is something of a cultural resistance in Christianity where the outgroup is railed against until they become a majority, highlighting how this happened with the Jews and Gentiles and has been happening with the modern scientists etc... One thing I think is worth speaking further on, however, is how the Protestant emphasis on scriptural authority naturally led to a bias towards literalism in future generations which wasn't originally present in Christianity. For that reason, accepting modern science is an unrecognized but deeply felt existential threat to many people's trust in the authority of scripture. Just as how the Jew rejected the Gentiles because accepting them would mean abandoning their understanding of the law, so too are we (broadly) rejecting scientists because accepting them would require abandoning our understanding of scripture. In BOTH cases, that held understanding is a culturally developed misunderstanding and has nothing actually to do with the faith... When you consider the fallout of these disagreements and biases... maybe it's for this reason scripture says that teachers/ministers will be judged more strictly
I just came here from a Answes in Genesis youtube video, it was hard to watch. to them if you dont believe the literal 6 days then you don’t believe the bible
@@Danstheman1357 literal six days just makes no sense, we are literally still in the seventh day. Also Gen 1:2 has a context showing there was clearly lots of history prior we have a destroyed flooded frozen(no light no warmth) earth. The bible says everything God makes is good, that doesn't describe an earth God made it's not good. Bible also says God made the earth to be inhabited. Third there is actually a common translation error it should read the earth became formless and void. Also we see in Gen 1:1 the earth and universe were made and we have a full stop then Gen 1:2 lots of time has passed so clearly the six days isn't the creation. Furthermore we can look at the words used to see it isn't. "Let" is not a word of creation but permission, God was unsealing the sky not creating light. The bible says God sealed the sky when he judged the earth during Lucifers fall. Could go on and on and on. The whole literal day thing just has no basis in reality they have to be long periods of time like Ross states.
Yeah, so many people, Christians and non-Christians, don't realize that there is complete harmony between science and scripture, God being the author of both. Thankfully Hugh Ross and many others (Stephen Meyer, John Lennox, etc.) are doing great work bridging the gap.
@@Danstheman1357 That's because some YEC leaders insist their interpretation of scripture CANNOT be wrong in any part, despite competent enumerated exegetical reasons to the contrary compiled by fellow Christians with differing views. The YEC leader-led insistence upon attributing the authority of scripture itself to their interpretation of it is a DEBATING TACTIC used to smear and diminish others who hold differing interpretations. Ironically, some (likewise, not all) flat Earth advocates insist that anyone who thinks the Bible DOESN'T teach the flat Earth interpretation is 'deceived and serving Satan' (or similar words to that same effect). In their case, their primary exegetical error lies in mistaking "earth" (uncapitalized) in the biblical text for the (capitalized) NAME of our planet, "Earth"-a word usage which NEVER APPEARS in scripture because the original language words 'eretz' (biblical Hebrew) and 'ga' (biblical Greek) don't refer to the planet; their range of reference applies to things at ground level-e.g., 'eretz' refers to the land, a country/territory/region or its people, the ground, or the soil. People are quick to dish out summary denunciations of each other in order to gain the upper hand for their favored view, but God's Word requires careful and respectful handling accompanied by generous does of humility and charity toward others if we are to arrive at a better understanding of what it actually says.
Great video! This made me remember an old video I watched of Abdu sharing his testimony and in it he said that one of the things that made him believe Islam was true when he was a Muslim is that he believed that the Qur'an had accurate scientific information that there is no way that people in the 7th century could have known. I would be curious to hear what specific things he believed in this regard and what changed his mind.
Dr Tyson tries to sound profound and deep which became an opening to expose some of his ignorance... The simplicity that comes from embracing facts that are spiritually inspired goes as far as bringing you into far more enlightenment, as oppose to trying to bring correction on a matter that didn't start with you or anyone at all He uses the foolish things of this world to conform the wise.... He that thinks he's wise is actually foolish... God is the only wise
I think the 6 literal 24 for day view was something that occurred as a result of people reading an English translation which lacks the hebraic context and understanding. And it's not as if the translation is bad, it's just that certain things are list in translation. So we see the word day in English and make certain assumptions based on how we typically use that word. The problem is, our typical use doesn't match the use of the word that was translated, but there wasn't a better word in English to translate it to.
The real question about existence itself is self explanatory. EXHIBIT A. Any simple minded person can understand that " It wasn't even possible for existence to have been able to plan for, then design, and then create its own self ". That's far less easy to understand than the amazing amount of fine tuning that we're starting to understand through our different fields of science. Therefore please see EXHIBIT A. And also always remember that every single bit of information that has been created so far has been con-structed by the most aware, and highest educated enlightened humans. All information has human faces attached to it. So we're still very con-fused. Aren't we.
Their scientific knowledge was so primitive at the time the Bible was written that they left out that water should be boiled before drinking. This would have saved huge numbers of people from a painful deaths through out history. This was possible because they had the tools to perform this simple task. Yet no mention in their wondrous book of Bible science.
@@Kenneth-ts7bpPeople still die from dysentery. Bacillary dysentery is the most common. The bacteria is called Shigella. You can kill it by simply boiling water. Next no one lived for a thousand years. The oldest person on record Jeanne Clement who lived to 122.(1875-1997). All you have is a claim someone for a thousand years.
@paullanoue5228 The law brought curses. Curses weren't in vigor yet. Moat disease has occurred since Moses brought the law and it was disseminated to all cultures. That's why evil cultures fight so hard to keep out the law.
@@Kenneth-ts7bp No microbes now that and interesting claim. Now all you need to do is prove it. And you can’t prove anyone lived to be 969 years old. The Bible isn’t proof of anything accept that they had wonderful imaginations back then.
Another thing is that the earth was a ball of fire during its creation. It was the dominent amount of Hydrogen burning away until its level burnt down to H2O. This caused the fire to burn out and for Water (H20) to form. Water covered the earth for a time until the Pangeah occurred. This is when the land surfaced, split apart into separate continents along with land forming with life emerging from the water (seas).
Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. And you think what?
Dr. Ross says that the light of the sun didn’t pass through the atmosphere to the surface of the earth the first 3 days, but then there would be no liquid water, it would be rock hard ice.
You cherry pick one issue of the earth's creation and reinterpret in a way that fits with science. I'd like to see you use the scientific method to explain Noah's ark, the exodus, flying creatures created before land animals, Eve made from a rib of Adam, God making the earth stand still, humans living for 100's of years, one language until the tower of Babel, giant hybrid human/angels, on and on. You start with a belief and then try to make it fit science. This is the opposite of the scientific method.
Even if you were spoon fed the answers to each of your naive objections that you have plagiarized, you would answer, "Ya, but what about....?" Nothing you posted is difficult to answer. You are to lazy to do your own research.
You know how to use the scientific method on one time events? Events where God overrode the laws of science? I don’t think you can. You can’t use the scientific method on that type of history. There are other methods that would be more applicable.
@@coloradodutch7480 You can't use the scientific method to confirm history, but what history do you know contradicts science except religious beliefs. You can use logic and common sense. Using faith is what muslims use to confirm the koran, what hindus use to confirm the vedas, etc. Do you believe them? Where in the bible does it say God overode nature during Noah's flood? Where is there confirmation that the sun stopped in the sky (Joshua 10:12-15) or zombies marched on Jerusalem (Matthew 27:52)?
did you ever wonder why it took 6 days for god to create the heavens and the earth? Seems like something the most powerful entity could do in a second or is this entity constrained by factors he can’t control? If so, it calls into question his/her omnipotence.
My problem is that old earth creation always puts death before sin. I think we should debate these things but the God I serve is not limited to the rules of nature He established. He is able to do it in 6 days or 13.7 Billion years.
Just because something dies doesn't make it sinful. Plants and trees die and give way to new. Jesus died - doesn't make Him sinful. He actually came to die in order to redeem us.
The concept/reality of sin -- that is rebellion against God -- applies to angels and humans. God created angels and humans to exist forever. However only humans can be forgiven of their sins because Jesus Christ personally paid for our sins (rebellion against God) and redeemed us from eternal punishment/torment. The second death is eternal judgement for fallen angels and humans. ==== Physical death of living things - plants, animals, etc. is a reality of created natural universe.
2 Peter 2:12 appears to say that animal death is part of God’s original design of creation. It is a natural process, part of the “circle of life,” and is not due to sin. “They are like unreasoning animals, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like animals they too will perish." (NIV) God’s purpose for humans, however, was for them to have eternal life. Human death only came as a result of sin and was not part of God’s original purpose. Romans 5:12 says, “Sin came into the world through one man, and his sin brought death with it. As a result, death has spread to the whole *human race”* (GNT). Jesus died for humans, not animals. (Romans 5:18, 21)
@jollyrancher521 I disagree. Please read 1 Cor 15:42-46. Pay attention to: 1. Planted/sowed 2. What came first. Then go back to Genesis, and tell me the sole purpose of the Tree of life. Then ask yourself, why did God block access to that tree after the fall.
If we get the frame of reference wrong. Doesn't that still revert back to understanding someone's understanding of something that they heard about wasn't clear and now you've made it more clearer for them
@@matts6151 There most likely IS NO divine existence, but it wouldn't really matter that much if there were. After all, the world we see around us, in every aspect, is exactly the same whether a deity exists or not. If a deity exists or not doesn't change where you put your keys, who wins the game, who wins the war, whether the sun rises, intervene to stop the abuse of any child, or make any effort to alleviate the crushing impact of poverty (while one who claims to be his chief mouthpiece sits on a throne of gold). God seems to be able to make everything humans CAN'T make, but is utterly incapable of making anything humans CAN make, and doesn't appear to ACT at all outside of human agency unless to DENY the Pharaoh HIS agency so as to justify inflicting more tortures upon his people, or the sheer hell Job and his family go through because God was stupid enough to make a bet with his own chief prosecutor. It would seem that if there IS a deity, we might even be better off without it.
Josh, It is always interesting to hear from someone with different thoughts on this subject. And thank you for not demeaning me for my position. It seems anytime someone disagrees, they immediately respond with negatives. Most everything you stated about the human condition is brought upon by humans. God has given men free will. Free will results in many unpleasantries, but also numerous pleasantries. A father and mothers joy upon the birth of their child, enjoying the sheer beauty of nature, a fireman that runs into a building to save life, a police officer risking his life for others. I could go on and on. You were not born for this life. This life is transitory to your final existence for eternity. I think if you objectively review the evidence both anecdotal and hard, you would conclude that their is something that has spurned our existence. The likelihood of humans just coming into existence is astronomical, 10 to 80th power(minimally). Even the famous atheist Hawking had to admit to the likelihood of a designer.
@@matts6151 Thus you step onto a nuclear landmine, the moment you invoke 'free will' as a defense of divine non-intervention. Take the child-abuse case I mentioned: by invoking free will, you imply that either God values the free will of the abuser over the free will of the child, or that the child somehow wishes to be abused. In either case, the God you are trying to defend is utterly indefensible. The only option which does not denigrate God is the one where he doesn't exist to denigrate, in which all of these 'evils' of the world are very much human inventions subject to human correction. In which case it is for the best that we stop playing make-believe and engage with reality, as the longer we pretend our grossly OP imaginary friend is coming to save us the longer we can continue doing nothing to improve the world ourselves.
Stars falling from heaven wasn't from Genesis, and is referring to UFO's or bright Angels. This is what John saw and explained from his knowledge. Clearly Tyson is missing important perimeters.
I saw a video where Neil DeGrasse Tyson said "... when you look at law, law is … well what happens in the courtroom? It doesn't go to what's right, it goes to who argues best. ..." . In this video I see a lot of twisting around. . I have to grant that I have not studied into theology in depth to become an articulate interlocutor but I have been interested in hearing multiple ideologies and the one thing that stands out is that it is a usual tactic, to twist the narrative to the deity's advantage.
Falling of stars, using Biblical own metaphor found in the books of prophets (describing the fall of Babylon), also means the fall of great empires, or earthly powers, which at some stage assumed they are so mighty and so opulent they cannot fall. When the biggest among them fall, which in the book of Revelation are the Great Beast and the Great Babylon, the end will come.
LOL I learned about Bishop Ussher as an undergrad Anthropology student! He counted bloodlines backward and determined earths' birthday to be in 4004 BC! But seriously, what about II Peter Ch. 3? In v. 8 he states. "A day to the Lord is as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day". Is this a revision of Genesis six days? And did he literally mean thousand, or was that a concession to the education level of his time? "...It's in the Bible."
I agree with everything except his explanation about the 6 days are long periods of time. We seem to have missed the mention of evening and morning in the scripture. And God doesn’t need long periods of time. When He can make Adam as an adult, He can make the universe even in one moment…
But he studies as many of us do to forth coming science as i have and they all can contribute to the voids that will remain till the Lord comes!@@colepriceguitar1153
I have a nephew who is convinced that creation took place in 6 literal days. He won't even listen to anyone who entertains the idea that that may not be so. I always assumed that the language was used because people of that time had no idea what billions of years could possibly be. Great point that it has nothing to do with salvation. God bless.
William Wilson's Old Testament Word Studies says: "A day; it is frequently put for time in general, or for a long time; a whole period under consideration . . . Day is also put for a particular season or time when any extraordinary event happens.”
You must not have read even the first 3 words. For many years both science and religion said that the universe has been in existence forever, then just about 100 years ago, between George Laimetre, Einstein and Hubble they discovered that the universe had a beginning, best science today has it at 13.79 billion years old. Moses said it in the first 3 words of the Bible. "In the beginning". ...then the next paragraph he says that Earth started out as a water world which science just confirmed not many years ago. that's a pretty good start and there is a lot more.
@@Crashawsome If they wanted to do it scientificly they would look at the many models from the many religions, compare their findings to the best known science of the physical universe. (Christianity says that there was a beginning, Hindu says that there was no beginning, that the universe always existed but renewed every 4.32 billion years, young earth Creationist say that God created the universe 6000 years ago. Lawrence Krause say that the universe came from nothing. I heard one once that said that both nothing and something were eternal, there was nothing, then nothing flipped to something. etc. etc). what sounds best to you?
It is always a waste of time listening to the believers' "arguments" or "proof". Personal feeling, subjective opinion are not evidence in court or in science
The proof of the pudding is in the eating....you can ' ask' Jesus to come in your life and you will experience that He is alive. No science, it is a matter of the heart, relationship. ' Try' it. Will change your life.
Biblical Hebrew has a smaller vocabulary than English. In Biblical Hebrew, there is no word for universe. Instead, the Hebrew phrase that is translated “the heavens and the earth” is used to refer to the universe-the entirety of physical reality: space, time, mass and energy. The universe was created 13.78 billion years ago. Only the God of the Bible operates outside of the time and space dimensions we live in. Therefore creation must be from the God of the Bible. Creator must be: transcendent, eternal, spirit, powerful, intelligent, caring, and personal.
He,s so lost,Jesus is a snare for those he doesn't want to know the truth,he can not know the book,he does not have the holy spirit of the Lord ,of Jesus,he can not know this book ,he is not learned
For Neil to bring up Revelation, which is known by must to be symbolic rather than literalistic, as an example of the Bible being unscientific makes me want to tell him that he doesn't know enough about the Bible to not know where he's wrong about it, making him unqualified to make any claims regarding it. Either that or he's intentionally misrepresenting it, which is possibly worse.
So Dr. Ross insists that he applied the "Scientific Method" to the bible (5:45) I would love to know what Hypotheses he developed and then what sort of experiments he formulated in order to test them........ I'll wait. His idea of the scientific method and his reasoning seem completely circular as his initial frame of reference comes from one of belief rather than skepticism. I reject his entire argument on that basis alone.
@mikeythehat6693 ... What books of his are you referring to? You seem to be totally devoid of knowledge of any of his arguments so you just speak in ignorant generalities. You'll wait forever if you don't endeavor to follow his line of thinking or read any of his books. Possibly you could form a real argument if you did.
Here is my favorite biblical cure (if only science were as effective) Leviticus 14 New King James 14 Then the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 2 “This shall be the law of the [a]leper for the day of his cleansing: He shall be brought to the priest. 3 And the priest shall go out of the camp, and the priest shall examine him; and indeed, if the [b]leprosy is healed in the leper, 4 then the priest shall command to take for him who is to be cleansed two living and clean birds, cedar wood, scarlet, and hyssop. 5 And the priest shall command that one of the birds be killed in an earthen vessel over running water. 6 As for the living bird, he shall take it, the cedar wood and the scarlet and the hyssop, and dip them and the living bird in the blood of the bird that was killed over the running water. 7 And he shall sprinkle it seven times on him who is to be cleansed from the leprosy, and shall pronounce him clean, and shall let the living bird loose in the open field. 8 He who is to be cleansed shall wash his clothes, shave off all his hair, and wash himself in water, that he may be clean. After that he shall come into the camp, and shall stay outside his tent seven days. 9 But on the seventh day he shall shave all the hair off his head and his beard and his eyebrows-all his hair he shall shave off. He shall wash his clothes and wash his body in water, and he shall be clean.
Bro…this has nothing to do with healing. It’s just like an offering of thanks / ritual / ceremonial cleansing if a leper was evaluated by a priest to have been healed and was ready to be reintroduced to regular society. Read verse 3 again.
@@mattdonnelly3743 “Cleansing” in this context is a ritual with the intent to cure by appeasing God (or at least in an attempt to keep it from spreading to others) >>Leviticus 14:32 These are the regulations for anyone who HAS a defiling skin disease and who cannot afford the regular offerings for their cleansing. *And there is more:* 10 “On the eighth day they must bring two male lambs and one ewe lamb a year old, each without defect, along with three-tenths of an ephah[b] of the finest flour mixed with olive oil for a grain offering, and one log[c] of oil. 11 The priest who pronounces them clean shall present both the one to be cleansed and their offerings before the Lord at the entrance to the tent of meeting. 12 “Then the priest is to take one of the male lambs and offer it as a guilt offering, along with the log of oil; he shall wave them before the Lord as a wave offering. 13 He is to slaughter the lamb in the sanctuary area where the sin offering[d] and the burnt offering are slaughtered. Like the sin offering, the guilt offering belongs to the priest; it is most holy. 14 The priest is to take some of the blood of the guilt offering and put it on the lobe of the right ear of the one to be cleansed, on the thumb of their right hand and on the big toe of their right foot. 15 The priest shall then take some of the log of oil, pour it in the palm of his own left hand, 16 dip his right forefinger into the oil in his palm, and with his finger sprinkle some of it before the Lord seven times. 17 The priest is to put some of the oil remaining in his palm on the lobe of the right ear of the one to be cleansed, on the thumb of their right hand and on the big toe of their right foot, on top of the blood of the guilt offering. 18 The rest of the oil in his palm the priest shall put on the head of the one to be cleansed and make atonement for them before the Lord. 19 “Then the priest is to sacrifice the sin offering and make atonement for the one to be cleansed from their uncleanness. After that, the priest shall slaughter the burnt offering 20 and offer it on the altar, together with the grain offering, and make atonement for them, and they will be clean. 21 “If, however, they are poor and cannot afford these, they must take one male lamb as a guilt offering to be waved to make atonement for them, together with a tenth of an ephah[e] of the finest flour mixed with olive oil for a grain offering, a log of oil, 22 and two doves or two young pigeons, such as they can afford, one for a sin offering and the other for a burnt offering. 23 “On the eighth day they must bring them for their cleansing to the priest at the entrance to the tent of meeting, before the Lord. 24 The priest is to take the lamb for the guilt offering, together with the log of oil, and wave them before the Lord as a wave offering. 25 He shall slaughter the lamb for the guilt offering and take some of its blood and put it on the lobe of the right ear of the one to be cleansed, on the thumb of their right hand and on the big toe of their right foot. 26 The priest is to pour some of the oil into the palm of his own left hand, 27 and with his right forefinger sprinkle some of the oil from his palm seven times before the Lord. 28 Some of the oil in his palm he is to put on the same places he put the blood of the guilt offering-on the lobe of the right ear of the one to be cleansed, on the thumb of their right hand and on the big toe of their right foot. 29 The rest of the oil in his palm the priest shall put on the head of the one to be cleansed, to make atonement for them before the Lord. 30 Then he shall sacrifice the doves or the young pigeons, such as the person can afford, 31 one as a sin offering and the other as a burnt offering, together with the grain offering. In this way the priest will make atonement before the Lord on behalf of the one to be cleansed.”
Did the host just use the animation used on Tyson’s Cosmos as evidence that Tyson is wrong about science because that animation has sound for a fictitious spacecraft? Come on, man!
Hey Michael, thanks for the comment! What Abdu was actually talking about was the use of poetic language, or graphics in Tyson's case, to help explain things that are nonetheless true. Tyson also did this in Cosmos when he used a calendar to say the Big Bang happened on January 1st and humanity has just shown up at 11:59 on December 31st. In other words, he is using graphics to engage the imagination and to make otherwise unfathomable cosmic realities more understandable. Yet when the Bible uses figurative language, the charge is that it must be using it literally (which is demonstrably untrue) and that any interpretation that it was meant "figuratively" is an innovation that Christians made after the scientific revolution (which is also demonstrably untrue, as ancient and medieval Jews and Christians well before the scientific revolution understood figurative elements to the creation narratives in the Bible). This is why Abdu and Dr. Ross both mention how we can all still use terms like "sunrise" or "shooting stars" even though we know the sun doesn't rise and those aren't stars that are hurling through space. So, in sum, Abdu was not saying Dr. Tyson was wrong about science because of the animation, but that he also used imaginative elements to describe scientific facts. In an upcoming article that will appear on our website, I also discuss this a bit and explicitly point out that people would be entirely incorrect to posit that from these imaginative elements Dr. Tyson does not truly understand science. Hope this helps to clarify.
@@highroller-jq3ix You can demonstrably prove that ancient people interpreted the Bible in figurative ways by quoting those ancient people. You can also demonstrably prove that biblical authors who wrote something figuratively meant it to be taken figuratively. For instance, when they are using a genre such as apocalyptic that is by nature figurative. These points can be "demonstrated" fairly easily :-) Thanks for the comment.
@@derekETT No, how any person at any point, ancient or otherwise, interpreted the bible is not a demonstration of the intent or nature of the text. All that demonstrates is that people interpret. No, you can't demonstrably prove (a broken, deficient phrase to begin with) whether biblical authors believed any particular image, event, moment, or point they set down in script was intended to be read figuratively or literally. That claim is demonstrably idiotic. To stupidly claim that apocalyptic thinkers are figurative about apocalyptic concepts is childishly contrarian and perverse. Ditzy, punctuation smileys aside, all you continue to demonstrate is that you don't know how to use words. Thanks for the entertainment.
Neil DeGrasse Tyson referenced a biblical passage about stars falling from the sky and then rightfully questioned the literal or figurative understanding behind it. In response, Hugh Ross's assertion that Tyson failed to consider necessary boundary or initial conditions comes across as a dramatic straw man argument. In Dr. Tyson's scenario, no boundary or initial conditions are needed. Additionally, it is important to note that Ross famously claims that Everything in our universe ( galaxies, stars, earth, moon, Asteroids..etc) was made by God for the sole purpose of human redemption. This implies that, according to Ross, God anticipated the need for human redemption even before creating humans, crafting the entire universe as a stage for this redemptive plan. Curious to know what boundary or initial conditions Ross used to make this amazing claim.
If this guy is going to argue based on legal rules of evidence - he's already lost, since the supernatural is not admissible as evidence in courts. And if they want to use science to prove their fairy tales they need to start with naming a single scientific law or theory that uses a god in it's formulation - so far, "We have no need of that hypothesis"
@@eswn1816 - that's because the scientific method has advanced sufficiently. AGAIN, I ask, name a single scientific law or theory that uses or requires a god in it's formulation? There is nothing scientific about absurd fairy tales, whatever nonsense you, or some author may claim to the contrary. Any 'science' that claims to utilize a god would not pass muster of the Scientific Method.
@@eswn1816 - it's also hilarious when people 'like' their own comments (unless you want to claim you have someone following you around liking all your posts "2 minutes ago")
@@DwayneShaw1 95% of cosmologists believe in the "Big Bang" as the origin of the expanding universe, but they know not what caused it! "Science of the gaps???" You overestimate science as an explanation of reality. Another example is human consciousness. Evidence is massive that it doesn't come from the brain. Scientific materialism is on the way out...
@@DwayneShaw1 So, Biden didn't vote for Biden? FYI I also like or dislike all videos as a means of record keeping. Anyway I find insults to be the product of weak minds......producing weak arguments... Like yours... 😲
Dr. Hugh Ross exhibits something uniquely Christ-like when he talks… gentleness. In every single debate or argument put forth from Dr. Ross, be it against Athiests, Agnostics, Theist, Deists, Christians and non-Christians alike, Dr. Ross starts and finishes his statements, arguments, claims, and refutations from a biblical position with a spirit of Christ-like gentleness. I have yet to see Dr. Ross raise his voice or become belligerent in any conversation but instead he boldly stands on his position from the basis of The WORD of GOD (The Bible), and having done all to stand, allowing The scripture both first and last place in every statement he makes. Gentleness is a very needed and very necessary fruit of The Spirit that is lost on many Christian people (and I’m still in pursuit of learning to be more gentle myself…the struggle is real), and u believe without gentleness in its properly placed order of “the fruit of The Spirit” one cannot properly attain to self-control. This is evident in many Christian (and non-Christian) people that Dr. Ross debates, as their very lack of the fruit of gentleness that Jesus Christ exhibited in both word and deed, is visible when these debaters become agitated, unhinged and lose their footing where self-control should have held the line in the sand. Without self-control to bookend the fruits of The Spirit which begins in Love the person is immediately defaulted back to start over again beginning with Love and moving through the fruits one at a time. I believe that this is GOD’s unique default that allows us to become both conformed into Christ likeness like water in a cup taking the form of Jesus, as well as how we become transformed into the new creation that Jesus blood bought and paid for victory on the cross of Calvary afforded those that believe Jesus died for us to live as Him, for Him, because of Him. To me, this is Dr. Ross’s biggest flex that glorifies Christ Jesus and is why Dr. Ross is always composed in Christ-like self control, and it is a wonderful testimony of Dr. Ross’s life lived giving Jesus Christ first place as Sovereign KING, LORD and Saviour of his life. Thank you for the GODly example.
Thanks a lot for this podcast Abdu, Dr.Ross is a very humble and gentle man of God and very respectful, I've been blessed a lot by his ministry, he is truly a blessing to the body of Christ.
What’s the group that Dr. Ross is talking about at the end? I’m an Ivy League trained engineer and would love to join the effort in scientifically proving the Bible correct
I like Dr. Tyson in his proper field of Astrophysics. I only wish he applied the same rigor to things outside his field. If he had, he would have a much better reputation.
Excellent presentation. The issue cuts both ways. You have PhD scientists who have not studied the Bible. You also have Bible believers and PhD theologians who have not studied science. Ben Franklin stated that we should be a jack of all trades but a master of "one". That "one" he is referring to is the Bible. God gave us 2 books: the Book of Nature and the Book of Scripture. By that statement I am showing my bias. This video is a perfect illustration of what the general populous is dealing with. You have presented 2 PhD experts. One discredits the Bible, the other claims that the Bible is the inerrant word of God. We end up with dueling PhD's. Which one do you listen to? Those with a naturalistic world view will listen to Dr. Tyson. Those with a Christian Old Earth world view will listen to Dr. Ross. Those with a Christian Young Earth world view will not listen to either of these men. We are not even addressing the many other Religious world views. I love how Dr. Ross graciously demonstrates the error from Dr. Tyson. I guarantee Dr. Tyson would not do the same!
You're forgetting some huge elephants in the room. The bible is one holy book amounst a pile of thousands. Why does it get a pass and the koran, bagadavita, and dhammapadda are just overlooked? (These are just large holy books from large religions.) If we take only these four large religions, the bible at best, has a 25% chance of being correct. If Dr Tyson has this conversation with another religious leader, the science doesn't change but all the other mumbo jumbo does. If all humans died tomorrow, there would be no more religion, but science would still be true.
@@mojohand74 Where on Earth did you come up with that ill-educated nonsensical mumbo jumbo gibberish? The Earth is 4.5662 +/- 0.0001 billion years old. An oscillating Universe has been debunked due to a 13.79 billion year old Universe being older than 3.25 (?) billion year old Hindu Universe and entropy. Thus eliminating all reincarnation possibilities. The Quran puts the Stars closer than the Planets, which can be seen as inaccurate with the naked eye. The Quran states that Allah's word is written and can not be changed. Allah takes credit for both the Torah (Old Testament) and Gospels (New Testament). 1) If the Bible is true then the Quran is false because the Bible teaches that there is but one God. It is not Allah. 2) If the Bible is false then the Quran is false because Allah stated that he is responsible for it. 3) Either way the Quran is false as per Allah's words that cannot be changed. The Tora and the Gospels are both very clear that there is but one God! It is not Allah! You can't escape the Islamic dilemma no matter what word gymnastics you try! If the Bible is true, the Quran is FALSE! If the Bible is false, the Quran is still FALSE! Allah is a man made false god no different than Thor or Zeus! Quit while you are behind. Ignorance can be fixed through proper education. Willful ignorance cannot be fixed because it is an individual choice. What do "people" numbers have to do with anything? That is a bromide! Maybe you should read Genesis 1 instead of simply being a mindless lemming letting others tell you what to think. The Bible clearly states on PAGE 1: 1) 4 starting conditions of the Early Earth. 2) 10 Creation events in the correct chronological sequence. 3) How about the expanding Universe, written in the Bible thousands of years before scientists "discovered" that fact in ~1929! You just want to argue. 4) Did the Universe have a beginning? Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God Created the Heavens and the Earth." (Bereshit bara Elohim et hashamayim ve'et ha'aretz.) a) Bereshit bara Elohim (Hebrew) - “In the beginning God Created” b) et hashamayim ve'et ha'aretz (Hebrew): (*)"the heavens and the earth". (*) *This is a merism, a figure of speech indicating the two stand NOT for "heavens" and "earth" individually, but "everything" (i.e. the Universe). It is not about the Earth. It is about the Universe. (The word "Universe" did not exist in the Biblical Hebrew Language). 5) Land plants came ~1.2 billion years ago, fact. 6) Sea animals came ~575 million years ago as part of the Avalon explosion, fact. 7) Genesis 1:11 documented the FACT that land plants came before sea animals written some 3500 years ago!!! The only way that it is possible for these confirmed scientific facts to have been accurately documented by Biblical Authors thousands of years ago is by God. GET OVER IT! What, you think they got this information from aliens? Luck? Reinterpretation of the text? The origins of the Old Testament date back to ~3500 B.C.! The Dead Sea scrolls are dated ~3 B.C. affirming the validity of this text! Again, You don't know that the Genesis 1 text gives us 4 correct starting conditions and 10 Creation events in the correct chronological sequence because you have not looked at the details. You think that this is coincidence? 1) The Bible is the only Holy Book that gets 14 out of 14 correct. 2) The Enuma Elish gets 2 out of 14. 3) "ALL" other Holy books get ZERO! THAT IS 0 OUT OF 14!!!!!! Therefore, all other so called Holy books are man made. They cannot be from the Creator of matter, space, time, and energy and are irrelevant. Do you think that Genesis 1 is the only Creation text? There are more than a dozen! Does Job give us details as to why the Earth is covered in darkness? Does Job give us details about six forms of precipitation on day 2? Getting the point? You post like mister know it all Tyson! Then, in a matter of seconds it turns out that neither of you know what you are talking about. But, will argue anyway!
@@Myeternalperspective Did you read my comment? Quote, "God gave us 2 books: the Book of Nature and the Book of Scripture. By that statement I am showing my bias."
The universe was indeed created. You don’t have the facility to voice your question with a little specificity…… Your profile name suggests you are as much a twisted adolescent as people like PDiddy or DJT.
We have no idea of how long "in the beginning" actually was. "The Heaven" I believe was just like the Earth "without form and void". The Bible/scriptures speak of the earth and it's purpose. When "God said let there be light" ite stars began to shine.
The cockiness of Niels deGrasse Tyson makes me ashamed to be a career and storied scientist! The BIBLE was never meant to be a Science book, the BIBLE is all about God and man's relationship with God! Dr. Tyson doesn't have the correct approach to the Bible and he never will because of his love of his own intelligent. If we are tall, if we are strong, if we are handsome, then all these things are GIFTS of GOD! If we don't come to God as a humble child, we will never enter Heaven!!
These comments are tiresome. I witness these same “arguments” all over the internet. People constantly trying to find clever ways to call each other idiots. The arrogance of people to honestly believe they have it all figured out. No one is interested in learning or growing or participating in any genuine conversation. Bravo, you’re all the most brilliant person in the room.
The scientific evidence is that the universe is 13.78 billion of years old. Scientist know how to measure the age of the universe and the earth to a high degree of certainty use several different methods.
No night on the seventh day would kinda be a big one... Secondly the seven days aren't the start of creation anyways. Gen 1:1 is. Then a huge gap in time and we see a totally different picture Gen 1:2 then God starts restoring the earth during the seven days.
@@WaterspoutsOfTheDeep The only way religious people can defend their archaic immoral fairy tales is to twist and manipulate what their scriptures actually say. According to the story - God created light AND divided it into night and day - which means they are refferring to VISIBLE LIGHT - not just energy (divided visible light into night and day before he created the Sun, btw) The Creation rationalizations about "for God,a day is as a thousand years" is nonsense because the creation myth clearly defines what is meant by a day within the text of the story. Genesis 1:3-5 - "And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning-the first day." (I'm no expert on Hebrew or Aramaic, but every time I've looked into religious claims of mistranslated words the claims are shown to be unfounded when taken in the context of the passage - even in English 'day' can have various meanings - but we do not confuse those meanings in context - like "... the evening and morning of the first day") The Bible later, in demanding the Jews keep the Sabbath, enforces what was meant by a 'creation day' in Exodus 20:11 - "For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day and made it holy." There's a huge difference between this verse and the one pulled out of Christian backsides about "a day is as a thousand years". The former actually references creation, the latter is about not knowing the time of the Rapture. Alpha and Omega - completely opposite ends of the spectrum. But, even if I grant the idiocy about a day not being a day, we are still left with the fact that the Bible claims Adam was created on the sixth day -who lived 930 years -and begat children, that "begat" and "lived to be" - all adding up to an unbroken chronology of a mere 6000 years since the 'end of creation'- and mentions nothing of the 200,000 - 300,000 years Homo Sapiens have existed, or the other human species in the fossil record that date back millions of years like Homo Habilis, Homo Ergaster, Homo Erectus, Homo Antecessor, Homo Helmei, Homo Neander-thalensis, etc. (which was made in the image of God?) Christians are absurdly trying to rewrite the ridiculous myth (that was accepted as literal and unerring for centuries) to fit modern knowledge because it's all they can do to try to prop up their ignorant immoral fairy tale religion. Even though the Bible explicitly tells them not to. Deuteronomy 4:2 - "You shall not add to the word that I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God that I command you." Proverbs 30:5-6 - "Every word of God proves true; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him. Do not add to his words, lest He rebuke you and you be found a liar."
I know that serious and informed Christians like Dr. Ross hope that by preaching and teaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ, they will bring the light of Truth into this dark world and share a knowledge of eternal life with all who will listen. But what is the hope of the atheist in arguing against what the Christian believes to be true?
@@mlumbra8874 - the hope of this atheist is that people will quit believing in horridly immoral fairy tales about a horridly immoral god, and quit using their vote to perpetuate draconian and bigoted social policies. The hope is that people will finally grow up and become more humanistic.
Neil based his hypothesis on the Books of Genesis and Revelations only. His original premise was “if you only read those books your conclusions will be scientifically incorrect. That is a correct assumption when using only those two books. Wake Up America!!!
The part about stars falling from heaven is from Revelation, a highly symbolic book. One of the stars is given a key to use! When he claims that interpreting Revelation figuratively is some kind of evasion, he is showing that he has never read it.
Ndg is completely disingenuous. He speaks inherently in strawmen. Now if people here understood this that "To properly contend with an idea You must first properly represent the idea" If NDG stuck to this simple principle, his worldview would fall apart
Hugh Ross, you are correct my Brother, about the six days of creation NOT being a crucial issue regarding our salvation. However, you are mistaken about "yom" in Genesis 1. You are mis-interpreting it to fit your worldview. WHENEVER the word for day appears with numbers, either cardinal or ordinal numbers it ALWAYS means literal 24 hours. That is proven wherever you see the word "yom" with a number.
That is pure YEC sophistry! Stop listening to gossip and rumors from fools! 1) Genesis 1 is the only place in Scripture where day (yom) with numbers is referring to "NATURAL HISTORY." 2) It is true that elsewhere in Scripture where you find day (yom) associated with numbers it is referring to 24 hours. 3) HOWEVER, these 300+ other places where you see day (yom) with numbered days is associated with a) “HUMAN HISTORY.” NOT b) “NATURAL HISTORY!!” (The YEC always leave that "detail" out! ) Also, the language used in Genesis 1:5 is claimed by the YEC to define a 24 hour period, yet the same language is used in Zechariah 14:1-5 is referring to the day of the lord which is a long period of time. The YEC also claim that you see “evening and morning” in 37 other passages attached to the word day (yom) outside of Genesis 1. If you actually look up all those passages, in NO case do you see “evening and morning” attached to the word day (yom)! Again, the YEC always leave that detail out! The closest you come is in Psalms 55:17 where King David says, “evening and morning and at noon I will pray and cry aloud.” (KJV) But the word day does not show up in this text! If you look at the other “claimed” texts you will find the word day in the same paragraph, but you won’t find it in the same sentence used with “evening and morning.” Moreover, when the days outside of Genesis are numbered, it’s not true even with “human history,” that they are always 24 hour periods. Hosea 6:2. It refers to the Jews as a people being without a King for two days and then on the third day, they will have a ruler. Making a reference to the diaspora where the Jews were without a ruler over their nation for 2,000 years! You must put the YEC claims to the test! Test all things, hold on to that which is good. - 1 Thes 5:21 The Bible is the inerrant word of Yahweh.
@@MutsPub It's sad that you resort to childish insults. My analysis is NOT based on "YEC sophistry!" Rather, it's based on a careful study of God's word, in the Hebrew specifically. You are sorely mistaken about so many things, I hardly know where to begin!! You foolishly try to claim that the Bible differentiates between "human history" and "natural history". Your ignorance of the word "Yom" and how it's used is sad. First, I didn't base the idea of a 24 hour day on "There was evening, and there was morning, the first day," which appears once for each of the six days of creation. The ordinal number appears with EACH of the first six days, AND three (3) times in Gen 2:1-3 for the "Seventh Day"!! Further, what I didn't point out was Yahweh, or the "LORD" gave the 10 commandments to Moses and said in In Exodus 20:8, "Remember the Sabbath by keeping it holy." (NIV) BUT!! In verse 9 he says specifically "Six days you shall labor and do all your work," which CLEARLY means six 24 hour period! Then God continues in verse 10 "...but the SEVENTH DAY is a sabbath to the LORD your God." [emphasis added] Finally, in verse 11 "For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy." I'm sure you're not silly enough to claim that these aren't six calendar days! The LORD (Yahweh) Himself said He made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but He rested on the SEVENTH DAY" [emphasis added] (NIV) So NOT ONLY are the seven days LITERAL DAYS according to God's Word, God specifically ordained the week as something unique in the cosmos. From "Nature" we can understand the rotation of the earth on its axis to determine the 24 day, we can discern the month (lunar cycle) from its revolution around the earth, and the revolution around the Sun for the calendar year. The week in our calendar is ONLY found in Genesis 1:3-2:3, and confirmed in Exodus 20:8-11. You will NOT find anything in nature that corresponds to the week. That is NOT "YEC Sophistry" it is God's word in black and white!
@@stevenrobinson8263 1) The bible clearly differentiates natural history in Genesis 1. Why do you lie? 2) The Hebrew word for day (yom) has 4 literal definitions why do you need to lie? That is willful ignorance. 3) You choose to ignore facts due to indoctrinated YEC folklore theology. 4) Your Exodus example is an analogy not an equation! 6) The same pattern is used in Exodus 23:10-12 and Leviticus 25:2-5, using years instead of days However, here you work the land for 6 YEARS and then rest the land for 1 YEAR for the health of the soil and to benefit the less fortunate. It is God’s same 6 to 1 pattern that is important. 7) The Lord did Create in 6 literal days (yom). NOT 144 hours! 8) According to YEC sophistry Adam was alive for less than 24 hours. He only had 12 hours of daylight. Because of YEC sophistry, there is a figurative “clock” ticking from the time God Created Adam for him to accomplish all that is listed in the text. Is everything that Adam did on day 6 listed? Is it an all inclusive list? a) What time was it in when God Created Adam outside of Eden and placed him in Eden? Daylight? The clock’s ticking! Less than 12 hours of daylight if it was sunrise? b) Adam watched the trees grow. How long does it take for a tree to grow? Weeks! Oh no, the YEC lie says it can’t be. The clock is ticking! c) He worked the garden. Did he admire and smell flowers? Burned a lot of time. d) Did Adam eat food that he had never seen, smelled, or tasted before? Burned a lot of time. e) Did Adam use the restroom? Burned time. f) Did Adam stare at all that was around him in absolute amazement? Burned a lot of time. g) Was Adam in a hurry? - Nope! Wasting precious time on the YEC clock! h) The clock is ticking! Times running out! i) He observed “all” the animals and birds to determine their characteristics in order to give them “each” an appropriate name. ALL OF THEM! HUNDREDS, THOUSANDS OF ANIMALS AND BIRDS! How long would it take to determine the characteristics of these animals for Adam especially since he had never seen ANY of them before? He was just Created a few hours ago! Don’t lie! It would take you hours just to name a puppy! It would take Adam a lot more time than is allotted! You people have not thought it through! When you lie and create fairy tales it always comes back to bite you! j) God put Adam to sleep and performed surgery on his side. Burned a lot of time. k) Adam recovered from that procedure. Burned a lot of time. l) When Adam first saw Eve, he was so lonely that he proclaimed, “At long last.” - Seriously? m) Everything was new to Adam yet he got so lonely in less than a few hours? Nonsense. That alone is agenda driven sophistry. Stop lying! n) It’s one thing to claim God miraculously did it. It’s another thing all together to suggest that a mere mortal Adam could accomplish all that is listed plus that which was not listed in such a short amount of time! Don’t lie. 9) The Biblical Hebrew language of Moses has only one word (yom) to describe this phenomena. Moses simply had no other word he could use. a) Any part of the daylight hours between Sunrise and Sunset (yom). b) All of the daylight hours between Sunrise and Sunset (yom). c) One of the daylight and nighttime hours combined total (yom). d) Long but finite periods of the daylight and nighttime hours combined total (yom). e) All of the daylight and nighttime hours combined total (yom). 10) Day 6 was longer than 24 hours. Don’t lie. So, how can you claim that Moses meant 24 hours for each day? 11) There was evening and there was morning the first day. a) For there to be this evening, which means from the time that the sun sets, there had to be sunlight prior to it! But, YEC sophistry falsely claims the is no sun here! By your definition this could then not be the first day! But it is! You are toast on your 24 hour day concept straight out the gate! Mic drop! b) Evening to morning is only 12 hours! Morning in this case would be the last 12 hours of the first day leaving the first 12 hours of daylight unaccounted for. You lose again. c) To this day Jews use this pattern of the day beginning at sunset and ending the following sunset marking a 24 hour period! Their Sabbath STARTS at sunset on Friday. But you have to pretend otherwise due to your agenda! You lose still again. d) You cannot use a 21st century mind set and apply it to an ancient mind set thousands of years ago! e) Each of the first 6 days was stated with the same evening / morning pattern. Evening first, morning second! It is written and you cannot alter it for your agenda! f) Day 1 was either not 24 hours or the text is setting starting and stopping parameters for the other periods to come. 12) We have been in the 7th day for thousands of years. That is also not a 24 hour day. Don't twist and lie. 13) So Days 1, 6, and 7 are not referring to 24 hour periods of time. 14) From nature no one on the surface of the Earth can discern anything from the rotation of the Earth without the stars, moon, or any reference point! How would you know that it is rotating? Please stop lying! YEC pseudo-science and Folklore theology claim that the Earth was Created by itself! You just trapped yourself in another lie! a) You claim that the Sun was not Created until Day 4. Yet, Adam was not created until Day 6. How could Adam know what 24 hours means? Was Moses there? NO! Moses used the word yom, the YEC made it 24 hours not him! 15) The word for Create is "bara" it means to create something that never existed before. It is only used 3 times in Genesis 1. In the beginning, Day 5, and Day 6. YEC sophistry claims let, made, make, and Create all mean the same thing. Just hush! 16) A global flood is YEC sophistry! Sorry. your argument is with Scripture. Stop listening to gossip and rumors from fools. 17) When you were an infant, you drank milk. You should be grown up by now eating solid food. Hebrews 5:11-14. 11) 18) The fact that the worldwide geologic record lacks an immense stratum of gravel or conglomerate across continents demonstrates that there has never been a worldwide megaflood! 19) No dinosaur fossils are known from megaflood deposits, NONE! 20) Please produce one, just one, citation outside of the YEC pseudo science illustrating a Global megaflood. You cannot because there are NOT any. 21) All the people prior to the flood were disobedient to God and DID NOT spread out and cover the Earth. They lived in one region. They did not spread out until after the flood and the Tower of Babel. Genesis 11! The flood was Genesis 6-8! Maybe you should read it some time. 22) It is only the agenda biased YEC folklore theology zealots that continue to make these unfounded claims. 23) The Sun was Created in the beginning. “Bereshit bara Elohim (et hashamayim ve'et ha'aretz)” 24) More YEC sophistry. Helium in rocks proves that the Earth is young. This is a flat out lie! There is no polite way to put it! 25) Helium -4 is infused into the rocks from the decay of Thorium and Uranium. 26) We have at least 7 ways to determine that the Earth is 4.5662 billion years old. YEC Dr. Humphreys knows this! 27) Billions of years of animal and plant death before Adam denies the atonement of the cross. - Lie. 28) Jesus died on the cross for all spiritually dead sinners to atone for those sins. 29) Jesus did not die on the cross for animal or plants! Only mankind can sin! 30) T-Rex was a vegetarian. - lie. 31) Soft tissue found in dinosaur fossils prove thousands of years and could not be millions of years old.- lie. 32) Soft tissue could not survive even thousands of years, as the YEC agree to, without the exact same processes that allow the tissue to survive millions of years! More YEC sophistry. 33) Fenton reactions contribute to long-term preservation of blood cells which is erroneously denied by YEC. Complete YEC sophistry, AGAIN! The scientific articles are online for all to see, free of charge. 34) The Continents were formed in the few months of the flood. - Lie. 35) 7000+ miles of horizontal plate tectonic movement would have vaporized all of the water and wiped out the Earth's atmosphere destroying all life! 36) You want more? 37) There are millions of people that have accepted Jesus knowing absolutely nothing about science which is perfectly fine! 38) However, once you learn the facts, what you do with that information is on you. If you call people heretics for accepting facts then continue to intentionally mislead others, that is a different issue.
The Bible does not teach the universe is 6,000 years old. That is no not in the Bible, The Bible teaches the earth is old. The biblical Hebrew word yom - day: Sunrise to sunset Sunset to next sunset A long, but finite span of time. There is no evening and morning for day 7. Hebrews 4:10 clearly agrees and states that day 7 has continued to today. Day 7 is long, days 1 to 6 are long. Deuteronomy 33:15 states the earth has ancient mountains. YEC rejects the Bible's teaching. Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
@@djsarg7451 when you apply your meaning while ignoring the Hebrew explanation and usage, you create a false pretext. EVERYWHERE in the Old Testament, EVERY TIME you have a number with yom, it means a 24 hour period. Please don't use your evolutionary worldview to misstate what God's inspired (literally, God-breathed) Word. Finally, applying the language of Hebrews 4:10 is a complete misinterpretation of the verse and chapter! The force of the chapter is encouraging the Jews to believe in Christ Jesus, and "enter (His) rest", i.e. Heaven. The writer quotes Genesis 2:2 (from the Septuagint), and quotes Psalm 95:11 to say, "They shall never enter my rest." You are completely bastardizing God's word to fit into your misunderstanding of the Bible and your evolution theory. Sad...
Describe what nothing looks like to you? You’d probably think of sleep eh? Just black and nothing, however if you do imagine this, you’re imagining something and you are still alive in your imagination. You quite literally cannot imagine nothing, it is humanly impossible. It is illogical in my opinion to assume this if we could absolutely never imagine something.
@@theweirdestsmartchannel1842if it’s nothing like how death would be then what I imagine is that. Nothing. I feel nothing, I see nothing, I do not think, I have o concept of self or other wise or anything because I am simply noth there. There is nothing to imagine because there is nothing of me to be in that situation.
@@riastradh but my point is that we can’t imagine nothing, cause if we do imagine nothing, it’s not nothing in our conscientiousness, it’s something because we imagine nothing, therefore there isn’t nothing. I just don’t think we can imagine nothing.
If people want to claim that you have to have a young earth take to be a Christian, we could quote the apostle's creed, which doesn't mention anything about the creation of the earth aside from the fact that it was made by God, "I believe in God the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth."
There is a lot of verbal contortion going on here. Dr Ross spends a lot of effort explaining that there are many ways to interpret words. What I get from this is that the Bible means whatever you want it to mean. This runs contrary to what every Christian church leader wants us to know about the Bible. We are told that the Bible is the “absolute truth”. Now, according to Dr Ross, we are supposed to believe that we are supposed to not follow the words of the Bible but rather our interpretation of it.
There are many examples in the Bible that may seem contradictory and challenge the idea of "absolute truth". Specifically when you look at the Old Testament vs. New Testament. John 1:18 says, ‘No man has seen God at any time and Genesis 17:1 says, “And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram (research other examples of God appearing to man). Matthew 16:20 Jesus "Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.” and later in Mark 16:15 "And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature". So here are two examples where you can't take one scripture and exclude other scriptures to draw the appropriate conclusions of what God is saying. Just a thought.
Dr Ross was telling the truth. The Hebrew language has fewer words than Greek or English. Hebrew words have multiple different meanings depending on the context of the sentence or passage So the Hebrew word in Genesis translated to day in English can mean 4 ( as I recall) different things including a 24 hour period or long period of time depending on the context of the passage.
@Michael Griffone, No, he simply went to the original Greek and Hebrew the Bible was written in. For example, the word translated in English for a "day" in ancient Greek was a period of time, not 24 hours. Please go back and listen. Amazing how people can watch or read something, and completely be in left field as to comprehending it...
You did not debunk squat until you actually debated with the person you're trying to debunk. Doing interviews on various echo chambers does not mean debunking.
Neil deGrasse Tyson is a product of diversification and inclusiveness. According to his achievements, he belongs to the middle or below the middle of the scientific community. Therefore, his exposure in the media does not reflect his scientific contribution. But Neil has an opinion on everything and gets involved (his opinion on whether it's fair for biological men to compete in women's sports is particularly amusing) in everything, which ends in debacle. Neil is fun to listen to when he talks about science because he has a talent for communicating his knowledge wittily and comprehensibly to the masses. And that's all. Everything else gives me chills.
Really enjoyed the inclusion of a legal framework in this argument and Dr. Ross was a methodical expert witness. Indeed you need to employ astronomy, physics philology, and also be a biblical theologian to answer this question fairly among other sciences. I'm always impressed at Dr. Ross's ability to do this so completely and Dr. Tyson fails in his argument by only using astronomy.
@@goodquestion7915 It's odd how those who assert God is omnipotent and omniscient continue to justify it having to continually accommodate the world, which they say, he himself created.
@rizdekd3912 yeah, I wonder if they'd still think that way after seriously and carefully comparing the other myths (Babylonian, Asirian, and Canaanite) to their favorite myth.
Paul in in the 4th chapter of Hebrews revealed some 4,000 years after the beginning of the seventh day that that oeriod of time was still ongoing and that Christians habe opportunity to enter or rest within it from sin. That includes Christians today, some 6,000 years later. So each day was thiusands of years long.
I like that! Dr. Tyson is an Astrophysicist not a biblical scholar, so he does not have the proper foundation to make these statements? To prove him wrong, we have Dr. Hugh Ross, an Astrophysicist to provide the rebuttal. LOL! Well done! At about 3:26 you talk about 6 literal days, as the bible states. If god used the word day to mean something other than the approximate 12 hours of daylight or the 24 hours it takes for the Earth to complete a rotation, please show me that in the bible. I cannot understand why an intelligent being would confuse by mixing up the meanings of a word. It is bad enough that day has two meanings in the English language and thus requires the surrounding words to clarify. A god would not do that and would especially not have a word mean 12, 24 hours or billions of years. 5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. Clearly day means 24 hours. 16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. Clearly a day here is 12 hours. Genesis 2: 2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. Clearly god meant a day was anywhere between 500,000,000 to 1,000,000,000 years! LOL! I guess that could be true! After all, Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. God created he him both male and female at the same time! Chapter 2, he decided to make them on different days {Not sure if that means 12 hours, 24 hours, or anywhere between 500,000,000 to 1,000,000,000 years, only after the male tried to find a mate among the animals. Do you think god was having a laugh having Adam try to find a mate among the animals? LOL! What a joker! Odd that god made male and female animals but it took a bit to figure out that the human male may want to have a female too! LOL!
One more thought on the topic of earth transported materials to see what evidence there is on the moon for diverse microorganisms. First, we would need to radiometrically date each species to see their age, which says nothing about when they may have first evolved on earth, only their age at the time they started their journey to the moon… so, hang with me now… if there are diverse microorganisms found on the moon that originated on earth how can we know the actual beginnings of each one based on when they were blown to the moon, perhaps by a particularly strong solar wind? Isn’t it possible, even likely that several of the microorganism species had been around much longer, perhaps tens of millions of years longer on earth, but were still alive just prior (in geological time scale) to being blown to the moon? I wonder what scientists have said about Dr. Ross’ hypothesis? I expect most view it as a non-starter. Didn’t the astronauts take soil and rock samples already? And I’m quite certain they were studied extensively for any signs of once living organisms. So is this hypothesis by Dr. Ross just a clever way of manipulating people into thinking that because he proposes it; he must be legitimate? Too many things here that just don’t add up in the end. 😢
He said stars can not fall to the earth. The bible is talking about a meteor shower. He should know that. His understanding of the Bible leaves a LOT to be desired. It also looks like he does not know as much about science as we thought he did.
Hugh Ross is cognitive dissonance personified. I am getting a headache trying to understand his convoluted theory and so will the majority of the theists and atheists viewing this diatribe.
Biblical Hebrew has a smaller vocabulary than English. In Biblical Hebrew, there is no word for universe. Instead, the Hebrew phrase that is translated “the heavens and the earth” is used to refer to the universe-the entirety of physical reality: space, time, mass and energy. The universe was created 13.78 billion years ago. Only the God of the Bible operates outside of the time and space dimensions we live in. Therefore creation must be from the God of the Bible. Creator must be: transcendent, eternal, spirit, powerful, intelligent, caring, and personal.
Neil need to research what "stars" falling out of the sky meant in revelations, because at one point it meant the angels falling after the siege of heave, another was abandon arriving on earth and a third time was the sun becoming hotter and scorching the earth (which coincidently niel agrees that the sun will become hotter and engulf the earth at some point)
He is thinking way too hard about the Bible saying that the writers didn’t understand how the universe works. The spirit instilled in the prophets had them writing things they barely understood themselves. But many things in the Bible are not meant to be taken literally. Such as “stars falling out of the sky” is a metaphor. It could mean many things, such as asteroids. Of course I don’t know what exactly will happen in the second coming of Christ, but we’re given an idea.
So, why doesn’t Ross debate Tyson where Ross’s criticism can be challenged? Why doesn’t Ross submit his own biblical thesis for scientific examination? The answer is obvious.
it seems that Abdu has risen to a new audience that is the next step to the understanding of the audience! It is informative as well as encouraging to those who will hear it! The stars as asteroids makes a lot of sense . I remember working our fields on our small farm as a young lad when I found these nice smooth round black rocks in the fields where no rocks existed other than these. I asked questions to sustain my take of where they came from and it was from falling stars I had seen and thus the evidence of what they were being burned to this 4 to 8" burned down perfectly smooth rock in colour I found nowhere else I had searched at that time!
So according to this astrophysisist, I wonder how he squares the fact that the universe is at least 13 billion years old and the earth is 4.6 billion years old, God was above the waters which covered the earth, and there were opqaue clouds blocking out the Sun to the life in the waters which suddenly went translucent in the second day. Stars were created on the fourth day.
2Pet. 3. [8] But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. Why don't they mention this little tidbit?
Jesus explained this to Nicodemus, "I assure you we tell you what we know and have seen, and yet you won't believe our testimony. But If you don't believe me when I tell you of earthly things, how can you possibly believe if I tell you of heavenly things? No one has ever gone to heaven and returned."
Actually is Revelation chapter 6 the stars indicate the falling stars as meteors that fall daily from the sky. Which at that time will be visible through the darkened sky.
When the references within scripture alone and additionally beyond , as with science, secure the truth of scripture we can clearly see scientism as it is, a weak substitute for the truth.
Dr. Ross joined us LIVE to answer some more questions about Neil deGrasse Tyson. Check it out! ua-cam.com/video/OBI3euN7GGw/v-deo.html
What a bunch of BS, he never debates Tyson face to face teaching people how to scam others. They were edited out not deemed worthy...
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Don't U think it would be even more satisfying to prove him wrong ?😂
Fortunately, the reality of God doesn’t depend on Neil deGrasse Tyson believing in him.
No it relies on a large number of idiots saying oh yes you can create planets by speaking them into being.
@@truthgiver8286 Must you always resort to insults and name calling? I’m totally serious. It’s so unnecessary. People should be able to disagree without becoming aggressive and being mean spirited. God is love, and love is real.
@@mlumbra8874 Must you always resort to lying You can't prove god and Love is a chemical reaction in the brain.
@@mlumbra8874 - God is love, and love is real"?? -- the Bible condones forced abortion "Ordeal Of the Bitter Water' (Numbers 5:11-31) The pious antiabortionists want no exceptions for rape and incest. Why should they? they're positively Biblical. But an exception for punishing adultery? absolutely. It is 'as God intended'
The Bible and it's horrid god demands genocidal infanticide, one of MANY examples; (Numbers 31:16-18) "Why didn't you murder the women and children? Who told you to be merciful? Not get back over there and slaughter all the women, children, and babies - except, of course, the virgins. Keep them for yourselves as the spoils of genocidal war" (the little girls, presumably under the average marrying age [at the time] of 14 - get no say)
And kidnapping and raping little girls. The Bible is very clear about the proper way to deal with abducted virgins. (Deuteronomy 21:10-14) - "When you're out committing (God commanded) genocidal slaughter and you see a girl that arouses you - after murdering her family in front of her - kidnap her, strip her naked, shave her head, and lock her in a room for a month - until her spirit is completely broken - then, it's okay to rape her" (the girl gets no say)
Which is in perfect keeping with Biblical rape laws being about punishment for 'property damage' - (Deuteronomy 22:28-29) - "If a man rapes a girl his punishment shall be to pay the girl's father 50 coins - and marry her so he can rape her for the rest of her life" (the girl gets no say)
How long do you think slavery would have lasted if the Bible had condemned it, instead of condoning it more than a dozen times (OT and NT)? How long would gays have to fight for being treated like equal human beings if the Bible , and its god, hadn't said "they are an abomination that shall be put to death"
It is long past time that we expunge this immoral Doomsday Cult from our society. That we quit paying deference to a book, and its god, that condones genocide, slavery, kidnapping and raping, murder, forced abortion, misogyny, etc.. That we recognize the troubles these beliefs bring on society. That we quit buying into the Church mandated edict that we must respect these beliefs in immoral fairy tales because they claim to believe it 'extra special hard'
@@truthgiver8286you believe nothing made them. Are you an idiot??
Tyson said a person can wake up each morning and decide if they're a man, woman, neither, or something in-between. Yeah, I'll be sticking with The Holy Bible.
I might be going out on a limb here, but I feel Tyson is being paid a large amount of money to say some of the things he has been saying in the media lately. I know this statement is attacking his character, but that is not my intention. I know the devil works hard to convince the masses to believe in anything, but Jesus Christ and I'm just trying to expose that. God bless Tyson, and I pray he can let Jesus into his heart someday soon.
He also said that earthquake and big animal can slowdown the rotation of the earth
If this is the information you gathered over the many years hes been teaching, This man has taught millions. I suggest listening 1st. Learning might be to much to ask reading your statement
@@brotherjulienunderstanding how our earth actually rotates, what earth is made of, and how our core affects the rotation, Dr Tysons comment isnt wrong persay..hes trying to make you think that there is alot going on, not just a spinning ball at a constant rate.
Worship at the alter of Scientism much?@@davidbordwell8346
No BS....I was 46 years old near the end of my rope in this world when I did like the Christians say to do and I called on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and sure enough the Spirit of the living God came into my soul and bore witness on my conscience that the Bible is true and then I knew the Bible is true and now I believe too that the Bible is true ... And plus all things became new . Hallelujah glory to God!
That was your own psyche you mistake for some external agent.
Hahahahahahahaha, you are not a serious person.
It's a new birth which is the new creation of the Spirit of God himself making you spirituality born not of flesh but of the Spirit of Christ who is the Light blowing your natural mind and now relating a spiritual mind that now is total reality in that natural mind too. Now the Spirit of Darkness will try to steal that new life of light. Now you think and act against using His Light against the forces of darkness. Battles with the Lord's light to destroy it. It's real when you become alive in Christ!
@@ronb8759 What does this mean??? This means nothing. What a bunch of gibberish. No wonder you people will believe anything.
@@cosmokramer3107 if you read the new Testament you would know EXACTLY what this means...
I love the way Dr. Ross so eloquently slams those people who are so errogant and pompass. He just methodically states the facts, and never allows emotion to sway his position. He just slays away!
It’s arrogant and pompous, not errogant and pompass.
@@thepeadair
I suspect, it was misspelled that way purposely.....
Think about it 🤔
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i love that he has you fooled, he isn't that eloquent either, and more to the point he is a liar and he is lying to you - me i know what's what with science, and ross is an idiot setting himself for a big fall when we finally find out that god DID NOT do it, just more nature did it, but he is lying to YOU not me, i don't care, but you are being a sucker for pseudo science.
Dr Ross is either a fool or a liar, I'm tendng to think the latter. He would look at all the expanses of the universe and refute it all to rather believe the child like God of the Bible.
1 Corinthians 1:18
The Gospel is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to those who are saved it is the Power of God
🤯 Wow enough said 🤯
So psychotic psycho babble is WOW to you, to me it is Psychotic Psycho Babble with ways to get around incest laws.
yep, so keep the talking snake and donkey cult to yourself until you can persuade god to come out of hiding, for someone "all powerful" he's a total coward.
Mankind has concocted thousands of god claims throughout recorded history, none of which have ever been proven by any reasonable standard of evidence, including yours 😉 and faith is nothing more than the excuse that people give when they do not have good reason for their beliefs. If they had good reason, they would never need faith 💁
@@letusdebatenowbuddy, friend.
The Bible has never been disproven.
Think about that.
Quit it
"If the answers aren't working out, change the question". (John Lennox - Professor of Mathematics).
professor in manipulation
@akanniamosu perhaps you can provide evidence instead of making a statement of your opinion, which has no evidentiary value.
@@akanniamosu Yes he is a billionaire because of it.
@@Scott-zm8eiThey can't, this is likely where the vitriol stems from. They refuse to acknowledge the reality that their beliefs, lacking substantiating evidence, are nothing more than faith wrapped in the more scientifically palatable/respectable cloak of 'theory'. It seems for so many, their atheistic worldview shapes their unwaivering belief in unproven scientific theories rather than proven scientific evidence shaping their atheistic worldview. Yet they have the audacity to roll their eyes and dismiss those who place their faith in God. Such is the folly of man.
lennox is another liar along with ross. if you knew anything about science or were actually interested in science you'd be on a science page, not a god propaganda page. christians are the least trustworthy people on the planet, ross is lying to YOU, me i don't care what he says, but you should be on the watch for supporting people who lie about their own god.
I wish someone could arrange an afternoon-long sit-down luncheon for Drs. Ross and Tyson to discuss these matters sometime. In November 1996 I was making preliminary plans to see if a similar sit-down luncheon could be arranged for Dr. Robert C. Newman, principal author of GENESIS ONE AND THE ORIGIN OF THE EARTH, and Dr. Carl Sagan. (Newman finished his Ph.D. in astrophysics at Cornell shortly before Dr. Sagan was hired as faculty there, then Newman trained further after Cornell as a theologian/Bible scholar as well.) Unknown to me at the time, Dr. Sagan was terminally ill with cancer, away from Ithaca in Seattle for treatment, and then died a month later, so my hopeful efforts were too late. But it's not yet too late for Ross and Tyson to meet under similar, nonconfrontational circumstances.
It would be waste of time for Hugh.
@@tondaqakin3275 A waste of time for both. Each has their own view and would not be swayed from their believe no matter what argument was presented by the other.
Ya never know. The next "Paul" may be lurking inside of Tyson. Not being God, i don't think we can know. Its just our job to try to make Him known.@Temulon
ross has debated plenty of people if you want to see what a twat he is.
@@tondaqakin3275 yes cos any decent debate would show him up as the liar he is. but you love being lied to, that's why you're on a religious page doing science and not a science page, you don't actually care that ross is lying cos YOU tell the same lies in turn, you parrot the bollocks he talks just like you parrot the bible - none of you have nothing novel to add.
here you are, watch ross talk bollocks : Dr Hugh Ross Astronomer, Does fine tuning indicate a designer on tjump channel.
" Faith is to believe what you do not see, the
reward of this faith is to see what you
believe" - St. Augustine
Are you suggesting that faith is a self- fulfilling delusion or that it has transformative power?
@@thepeadairThe holy spirit has transformative power.
Faith is what you know, ain't so. - Mark Twain
Sounds profound, makes no sense.
I love no matter how much discussion on topics that are very interesting, they bring up that salvation is the most important! ❤
if salvation is the most important you'd think your god wouldn't have screwed up the message so badly 1) - There is no scriptural provision to reconcile the doctrines of Original Sin and Free Will Salvation, as pertains to dead babies. According to Christianity we are born despicable filthy sinners deserving of eternal torture and must make a conscious free will decision to accept Jesus in order to avoid going to hell. (John 3:3 - "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God."). The most Christians can do is cite vague Old Testament verses from before the New Covenant of free will salvation thru Jesus, or some absurd dogma that has no founding in scripture or church history - which includes the invention of Limbo to address the obvious doctrinal absurdity. There is nothing that says children get a free pass. And if there was a loophole for Original Sin then Jesus is no longer essential to salvation. According to Christian doctrine dead babies burn in hell - unless you want to call Jesus a liar (John 3:3)
2) Jesus hasn't saved anyone (with the possible exception of the thief next to him on the cross - if you believe fairy tales full of crucifixional zombies). According to [1 Thessalonians 4:13-18] no one goes to heaven when they die. Everyone rots in the ground (sleeps in Christ) until the rapture. No one has been saved from death by Jesus - yet ... Again, the most Christians can do is cite another verse that suggests something different - which only demonstrates the Bible is a contradictory mess, and does nothing to show which contradictory passage is the correct one.
@@DwayneShaw1you are so confused my man. But that is expected from someone flogging themselves into a frenzy, frantically trying to pit their limited mind against the God of the universe. The Bible says " a fool has said in his heart there is no God"
@@heels-villeshoerepairs8613 _ how do YOU know the mind of the god of the universe ??? - ya double talking hypocrite - How did YOU get special powers to KNOW what other humans can't know?
And it did not go without notice that you utterly and completely avoid actuallly trying to refute what I actually said -- probably because you get your scripture from bumper stickers - Let me help you with your Bible study
Matthew 5:22 - "But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire."
1 Peter 3:15 - "But in your hearts revere Christ as LORD. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect."
@@heels-villeshoerepairs8613you are not even considering his argument. Yet he is in a frenzy, he is frantic? Keep your judgement to yourself, fool. Just because you are convinced of something, doesn't make it true necessarily. Faith is no substitute for empirical evidence.
@@heels-villeshoerepairs8613 Former Vatican translator of 17 Old Testament books tells it like it is: ua-cam.com/video/iMwSGQh5QH0/v-deo.htmlsi=Cr89v5UC6rf4czCi
Letter to the Corinthians... 1 Cor 15:12-19 Oh boy, what a mess Paul was trying to salvage. And it's right there for everyone to read.
I have listened to Dr Tyson for a few years and I have been convinced he has no clue what he is talking about,and a person is wise to listen to Dr Ross.
💯 agree 🙏
He is salesperson. How many papers have you published of late Neil? What great Scientific enigma are you unraveling for us? None. A talking head.
@@Jesusismylord1st the balls of you folks amazes me, you have no evidence of this god of yours but you act like you're co owners of the planet. you totally lack self awareness.
@@timorean320 so is ross you banana.
And you people would read the childish stories of your book and try to find wisdom in those stories. And believe this lying charlatan rather than try to understand the beauty of this universe.
If you quarter a sphere, like the earth or an orange, from pole to pole. The poles display the four corners of the sphere. Four corners therefore implies a sphere, not a plane.
IF you dissect a sphere from POLE to POLE the - the (TWO) poles display the FOUR corners of the sphere -- that's a lot of extemporaneous bullshit to try to demonstrate the truth of bullshit claims - Where in the Bible does it talk about dissecting the earth to create four corners?
Proverbs 30:5-6 Every word of God proves true; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him. Do not add to his words, lest he rebuke you and you be found a liar.
Yes, like the human skull. God always confirms.
When I listen to Dr. Tyson I get this sense that he became an astrophysicist in order to be admired. Dr. Ross on the other hand seems to be searching for clarity and truth and found it on biblical scripture.
Unfortunately these atheists don't admit it to themselves.
not really, ross is just a liar and tyson is a weird scientist. not rocket science is it.
@@michaeltamajong2988 sorry but you're something of a nit wit who either never met an atheist or just loves making bollocks up just to feel good about the fantasy world you live in.
ross is a liar, as far as i'm concerned he can talk bollocks all day long, it doesn't affect the truth of the matter, but he is lying to YOU as well, and you LOVE being lied to by this guy, so much so that you're on a religious page and not on a science page - that's the extent of your inquiry, it's called confirmation bias, when you like the lie so much you avoid the truth like the plague.
"god did it" couldn't boil a kettle, science always wins mate. read it and weep. ross is a liar.
@@HarryNicNicholas blah blah blah! If you have nothing to say than call people whose intellect you don't compare liars, we have no reason to take you seriously. Ross is an excellent scientist you probably will never accomplish what he has. So yeah! Feel free to speak your mind, but no one takes people who speak like that seriously (apparently atheists do...)
@@HarryNicNicholasSometimes I agree with Tyson. Other times I think he's Cherry picking his facts, or has no conclusive evidence for his statements. I'm waiting for anyone to disprove Ross. You or I haven't.
Tyson believes sex is a spectrum. Enough said. If he read the account of God creating male and female in the Bible, he’d refute that too 🙄
there is no god, that's your main problem.
Did God create this whole wide universe that exists past our small planet? And you believe that that God created land and water and trees before he created all this wide universe?
If you believe that, respectfully, you're naive and should stick to your childlike stories in your Holy book than comment on science.
There is some recent research pointing in that direction. Scientific Reports published "Fluidity of gender identity induced by illusory body-sex change" by Tacikowski et al.
Tyson did not espouse that. He stated expression as either a social or scientific matter was a freedom and right of self governance.
Tyson is not well respected scientist among the masses.He is just an entertainer at any price
"Affirmative"
"the masses" don't understand science well enough to judge whether a scientist should be respected
Bullshit.
@@davidbordwell8346
Neil is not even a scientist.
He doesn't do any actual science. He is a science popularizer.
He has done no actual scientific work himself.
Agree , he back pedals often
Actually, it’s the scientific community that has to keep changing its model as we learn more about the world. For example, modern genetics completely disproved Darwin’s theories. It’s either that or completely ignore some of the new discoveries that contradicts as anomalies.
That's following the data- "new evidence." With your claim you're asserting that scientists are able to change their minds if proven wrong. Meanwhile, theists...
But you will see ignorant atheists clinging to Darwin and saying we don't know science.
What genetics class taught you that? Bible college?
@@mgwright56
“Using data from Fitzroy and others, Darwin fudged the result he wanted: the finches, he decided, were neatly divided up among the islands. In fact, they aren’t. Multiple species of finches often occur together on the same islands; theirs is a much more complicated evolutionary story than the mockingbirds’.”
Andrew berry London review.
True, the James Web Telescope has some scientist rethinking the beginning of the universe.
He proves that the darkness can't comprehend the Light.
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i love that religists talk utter nonsense and think they are being profound, no one has proved anything mate and i bet it would take you half an hour to explain that gibberish you just wrote.
@@Jesusismylord1st so you understand this gibberish?
Just a bunch of fools leading fools. If this geezer flaunts his academic credentials while still believing and condoning religious garbage, then he is either profoundly stupid or an outright liar.
"Its not in the CREEDS"
So where are the creeds in Gods word?
Got it, thats darkness
There's something to be said of how the initial argument Neil makes is in opposition to a very accurate representation of a position of scriptural literalism sincerely held by many Christrians...
Hugh mentions how there is something of a cultural resistance in Christianity where the outgroup is railed against until they become a majority, highlighting how this happened with the Jews and Gentiles and has been happening with the modern scientists etc...
One thing I think is worth speaking further on, however, is how the Protestant emphasis on scriptural authority naturally led to a bias towards literalism in future generations which wasn't originally present in Christianity. For that reason, accepting modern science is an unrecognized but deeply felt existential threat to many people's trust in the authority of scripture. Just as how the Jew rejected the Gentiles because accepting them would mean abandoning their understanding of the law, so too are we (broadly) rejecting scientists because accepting them would require abandoning our understanding of scripture. In BOTH cases, that held understanding is a culturally developed misunderstanding and has nothing actually to do with the faith...
When you consider the fallout of these disagreements and biases... maybe it's for this reason scripture says that teachers/ministers will be judged more strictly
I just came here from a Answes in Genesis youtube video, it was hard to watch. to them if you dont believe the literal 6 days then you don’t believe the bible
@@Danstheman1357 literal six days just makes no sense, we are literally still in the seventh day. Also Gen 1:2 has a context showing there was clearly lots of history prior we have a destroyed flooded frozen(no light no warmth) earth. The bible says everything God makes is good, that doesn't describe an earth God made it's not good. Bible also says God made the earth to be inhabited. Third there is actually a common translation error it should read the earth became formless and void. Also we see in Gen 1:1 the earth and universe were made and we have a full stop then Gen 1:2 lots of time has passed so clearly the six days isn't the creation. Furthermore we can look at the words used to see it isn't. "Let" is not a word of creation but permission, God was unsealing the sky not creating light. The bible says God sealed the sky when he judged the earth during Lucifers fall. Could go on and on and on. The whole literal day thing just has no basis in reality they have to be long periods of time like Ross states.
Yeah, so many people, Christians and non-Christians, don't realize that there is complete harmony between science and scripture, God being the author of both. Thankfully Hugh Ross and many others (Stephen Meyer, John Lennox, etc.) are doing great work bridging the gap.
@@Danstheman1357 That's because some YEC leaders insist their interpretation of scripture CANNOT be wrong in any part, despite competent enumerated exegetical reasons to the contrary compiled by fellow Christians with differing views. The YEC leader-led insistence upon attributing the authority of scripture itself to their interpretation of it is a DEBATING TACTIC used to smear and diminish others who hold differing interpretations. Ironically, some (likewise, not all) flat Earth advocates insist that anyone who thinks the Bible DOESN'T teach the flat Earth interpretation is 'deceived and serving Satan' (or similar words to that same effect). In their case, their primary exegetical error lies in mistaking "earth" (uncapitalized) in the biblical text for the (capitalized) NAME of our planet, "Earth"-a word usage which NEVER APPEARS in scripture because the original language words 'eretz' (biblical Hebrew) and 'ga' (biblical Greek) don't refer to the planet; their range of reference applies to things at ground level-e.g., 'eretz' refers to the land, a country/territory/region or its people, the ground, or the soil.
People are quick to dish out summary denunciations of each other in order to gain the upper hand for their favored view, but God's Word requires careful and respectful handling accompanied by generous does of humility and charity toward others if we are to arrive at a better understanding of what it actually says.
Great video! This made me remember an old video I watched of Abdu sharing his testimony and in it he said that one of the things that made him believe Islam was true when he was a Muslim is that he believed that the Qur'an had accurate scientific information that there is no way that people in the 7th century could have known. I would be curious to hear what specific things he believed in this regard and what changed his mind.
By what metric would he assess that people in the 7th century couldn't know?
@@atticusrex2691 he actually answered this question in his most recent deliberations video that he did yesterday. It was a pretty interesting answer.
@@GregoryJordanStewart which is...
Dr Tyson tries to sound profound and deep which became an opening to expose some of his ignorance...
The simplicity that comes from embracing facts that are spiritually inspired goes as far as bringing you into far more enlightenment, as oppose to trying to bring correction on a matter that didn't start with you or anyone at all
He uses the foolish things of this world to conform the wise....
He that thinks he's wise is actually foolish...
God is the only wise
I think the 6 literal 24 for day view was something that occurred as a result of people reading an English translation which lacks the hebraic context and understanding. And it's not as if the translation is bad, it's just that certain things are list in translation. So we see the word day in English and make certain assumptions based on how we typically use that word. The problem is, our typical use doesn't match the use of the word that was translated, but there wasn't a better word in English to translate it to.
The Bible is the most scientifically advanced book in existence.
that you believe that says a lot about you - and nothing else
You win and what is your prize?.... ETERNAL LIFE!!!! What did your opponent win eternal punish
How do ya figure?
Absolutely, The Bible Is Mother and the very beginning of All Scientific Claims
@@akanniamosu - absolutely, In the beginning god creatd light and divided into day and night three days before he made the Sun -- Science
The real question about existence itself is self explanatory. EXHIBIT A. Any simple minded person can understand that " It wasn't even possible for existence to have been able to plan for, then design, and then create its own self ". That's far less easy to understand than the amazing amount of fine tuning that we're starting to understand through our different fields of science. Therefore please see EXHIBIT A. And also always remember that every single bit of information that has been created so far has been con-structed by the most aware, and highest educated enlightened humans. All information has human faces attached to it. So we're still very con-fused. Aren't we.
Their scientific knowledge was so primitive at the time the Bible was written that they left out that water should be boiled before drinking. This would have saved huge numbers of people from a painful deaths through out history. This was possible because they had the tools to perform this simple task. Yet no mention in their wondrous book of Bible science.
You have no evidence that people were dying from bad water since they lived to almost 1000 years old.
@@Kenneth-ts7bpPeople still die from dysentery. Bacillary dysentery is the most common. The bacteria is called Shigella. You can kill it by simply boiling water. Next no one lived for a thousand years. The oldest person on record Jeanne Clement who lived to 122.(1875-1997). All you have is a claim someone for a thousand years.
@paullanoue5228 Methusaleh lived to 969 years. Dysentery killed noone back then and you have no evidence of any disease killing early man.
@paullanoue5228 The law brought curses. Curses weren't in vigor yet. Moat disease has occurred since Moses brought the law and it was disseminated to all cultures. That's why evil cultures fight so hard to keep out the law.
@@Kenneth-ts7bp No microbes now that and interesting claim. Now all you need to do is prove it. And you can’t prove anyone lived to be 969 years old. The Bible isn’t proof of anything accept that they had wonderful imaginations back then.
Another thing is that the earth was a ball of fire during its creation. It was the dominent amount of Hydrogen burning away until its level burnt down to H2O. This caused the fire to burn out and for Water (H20) to form.
Water covered the earth for a time until the Pangeah occurred. This is when the land surfaced, split apart into separate continents along with land forming with life emerging from the water (seas).
It's just a lot of people trying to sell their books and put money in their pockets.
Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
And you think what?
do you mean like Bill Craig, Meyers, Turek etc, that live that glorious tax free life?
Dr. Ross says that the light of the sun didn’t pass through the atmosphere to the surface of the earth the first 3 days, but then there would be no liquid water, it would be rock hard ice.
You cherry pick one issue of the earth's creation and reinterpret in a way that fits with science. I'd like to see you use the scientific method to explain Noah's ark, the exodus, flying creatures created before land animals, Eve made from a rib of Adam, God making the earth stand still, humans living for 100's of years, one language until the tower of Babel, giant hybrid human/angels, on and on.
You start with a belief and then try to make it fit science. This is the opposite of the scientific method.
Thanks for the summary - much appreciated.
Even if you were spoon fed the answers to each of your naive objections that you have plagiarized, you would answer, "Ya, but what about....?"
Nothing you posted is difficult to answer. You are to lazy to do your own research.
@@troy.75 Oh boy! Hey everybody we heard from Troy!
You know how to use the scientific method on one time events? Events where God overrode the laws of science? I don’t think you can. You can’t use the scientific method on that type of history. There are other methods that would be more applicable.
@@coloradodutch7480 You can't use the scientific method to confirm history, but what history do you know contradicts science except religious beliefs. You can use logic and common sense. Using faith is what muslims use to confirm the koran, what hindus use to confirm the vedas, etc. Do you believe them?
Where in the bible does it say God overode nature during Noah's flood? Where is there confirmation that the sun stopped in the sky (Joshua 10:12-15) or zombies marched on Jerusalem (Matthew 27:52)?
When you meet the Ancient of Days, you will then realize what the enormity of the length of a Day may be.
not gonna happen, god isn't real.
did you ever wonder why it took 6 days for god to create the heavens and the earth? Seems like something the most powerful entity could do in a second or is this entity constrained by factors he can’t control? If so, it calls into question his/her omnipotence.
My problem is that old earth creation always puts death before sin. I think we should debate these things but the God I serve is not limited to the rules of nature He established. He is able to do it in 6 days or 13.7 Billion years.
I'm old earth, and I don't think that.
Just because something dies doesn't make it sinful. Plants and trees die and give way to new. Jesus died - doesn't make Him sinful. He actually came to die in order to redeem us.
The concept/reality of sin -- that is rebellion against God -- applies to angels and humans. God created angels and humans to exist forever. However only humans can be forgiven of their sins because Jesus Christ personally paid for our sins (rebellion against God) and redeemed us from eternal punishment/torment. The second death is eternal judgement for fallen angels and humans.
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Physical death of living things - plants, animals, etc. is a reality of created natural universe.
2 Peter 2:12 appears to say that animal death is part of God’s original design of creation. It is a natural process, part of the “circle of life,” and is not due to sin. “They are like unreasoning animals, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like animals they too will perish." (NIV) God’s purpose for humans, however, was for them to have eternal life. Human death only came as a result of sin and was not part of God’s original purpose. Romans 5:12 says, “Sin came into the world through one man, and his sin brought death with it. As a result, death has spread to the whole *human race”* (GNT). Jesus died for humans, not animals. (Romans 5:18, 21)
@jollyrancher521 I disagree. Please read 1 Cor 15:42-46. Pay attention to:
1. Planted/sowed
2. What came first.
Then go back to Genesis, and tell me the sole purpose of the Tree of life. Then ask yourself, why did God block access to that tree after the fall.
If we get the frame of reference wrong. Doesn't that still revert back to understanding someone's understanding of something that they heard about wasn't clear and now you've made it more clearer for them
Thank you for proving, once again, that the Wholly Fables are the word of man, not of any God.
One day your eyes may be opened and your hardened heart open to the divine existence.
@@matts6151 There most likely IS NO divine existence, but it wouldn't really matter that much if there were. After all, the world we see around us, in every aspect, is exactly the same whether a deity exists or not. If a deity exists or not doesn't change where you put your keys, who wins the game, who wins the war, whether the sun rises, intervene to stop the abuse of any child, or make any effort to alleviate the crushing impact of poverty (while one who claims to be his chief mouthpiece sits on a throne of gold). God seems to be able to make everything humans CAN'T make, but is utterly incapable of making anything humans CAN make, and doesn't appear to ACT at all outside of human agency unless to DENY the Pharaoh HIS agency so as to justify inflicting more tortures upon his people, or the sheer hell Job and his family go through because God was stupid enough to make a bet with his own chief prosecutor. It would seem that if there IS a deity, we might even be better off without it.
Josh,
It is always interesting to hear from someone with different thoughts on this subject. And thank you for not demeaning me for my position. It seems anytime someone disagrees, they immediately respond with negatives.
Most everything you stated about the human condition is brought upon by humans. God has given men free will. Free will results in many unpleasantries, but also numerous pleasantries. A father and mothers joy upon the birth of their child, enjoying the sheer beauty of nature, a fireman that runs into a building to save life, a police officer risking his life for others. I could go on and on.
You were not born for this life. This life is transitory to your final existence for eternity. I think if you objectively review the evidence both anecdotal and hard, you would conclude that their is something that has spurned our existence. The likelihood of humans just coming into existence is astronomical, 10 to 80th power(minimally). Even the famous atheist Hawking had to admit to the likelihood of a designer.
@@matts6151 Thus you step onto a nuclear landmine, the moment you invoke 'free will' as a defense of divine non-intervention. Take the child-abuse case I mentioned: by invoking free will, you imply that either God values the free will of the abuser over the free will of the child, or that the child somehow wishes to be abused. In either case, the God you are trying to defend is utterly indefensible. The only option which does not denigrate God is the one where he doesn't exist to denigrate, in which all of these 'evils' of the world are very much human inventions subject to human correction. In which case it is for the best that we stop playing make-believe and engage with reality, as the longer we pretend our grossly OP imaginary friend is coming to save us the longer we can continue doing nothing to improve the world ourselves.
I'm sorry you're to ignorant to understand what he's trying to say
Stars falling from heaven wasn't from Genesis, and is referring to UFO's or bright Angels. This is what John saw and explained from his knowledge. Clearly Tyson is missing important perimeters.
It was from Genesis 6 technically. But after the 6 days of creation.
Lawyers are trained to and are experts at reinterpreting stories (twisting narratives); nothing wrong with that. Just know where things come from.
I saw a video where Neil DeGrasse Tyson said "... when you look at law, law is … well what happens in the courtroom? It doesn't go to what's right, it goes to who argues best. ..."
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In this video I see a lot of twisting around.
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I have to grant that I have not studied into theology in depth to become an articulate interlocutor but I have been interested in hearing multiple ideologies and the one thing that stands out is that it is a usual tactic, to twist the narrative to the deity's advantage.
Supernatural evidence is not permissible in courts of law
Falling of stars, using Biblical own metaphor found in the books of prophets (describing the fall of Babylon), also means the fall of great empires, or earthly powers, which at some stage assumed they are so mighty and so opulent they cannot fall. When the biggest among them fall, which in the book of Revelation are the Great Beast and the Great Babylon, the end will come.
Straw man argument Neil Tyson at work.
LOL I learned about Bishop Ussher as an undergrad Anthropology student! He counted bloodlines backward and determined earths' birthday to be in 4004 BC!
But seriously, what about II Peter Ch. 3? In v. 8 he states. "A day to the Lord is as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day". Is this a revision of Genesis six days? And did he literally mean thousand, or was that a concession to the education level of his time? "...It's in the Bible."
A highly engaging and thoughtful conversation. Thank you.
I agree with everything except his explanation about the 6 days are long periods of time. We seem to have missed the mention of evening and morning in the scripture. And God doesn’t need long periods of time. When He can make Adam as an adult, He can make the universe even in one moment…
Great conversation. It would be great if he could have Ken Ham or Jason Lisle on someday.
Ken Ham is fraud.
Jason lisle, not ham. He’s not a scientist, he just repeats dogma.
But he studies as many of us do to forth coming science as i have and they all can contribute to the voids that will remain till the Lord comes!@@colepriceguitar1153
I have a nephew who is convinced that creation took place in 6 literal days. He won't even listen to anyone who entertains the idea that that may not be so.
I always assumed that the language was used because people of that time had no idea what billions of years could possibly be.
Great point that it has nothing to do with salvation.
God bless.
William Wilson's Old Testament Word Studies says: "A day; it is frequently put for time in general, or for a long time; a whole period under consideration . . . Day is also put for a particular season or time when any extraordinary event happens.”
The first claim of Genesis doesn't hold water and it just gets worse from there
You must not have read even the first 3 words. For many years both science and religion said that the universe has been in existence forever, then just about 100 years ago, between George Laimetre, Einstein and Hubble they discovered that the universe had a beginning, best science today has it at 13.79 billion years old. Moses said it in the first 3 words of the Bible. "In the beginning". ...then the next paragraph he says that Earth started out as a water world which science just confirmed not many years ago. that's a pretty good start and there is a lot more.
@@SamytheGreek Did they find any evidence of your version of god?
@@Crashawsome If they wanted to do it scientificly they would look at the many models from the many religions, compare their findings to the best known science of the physical universe. (Christianity says that there was a beginning, Hindu says that there was no beginning, that the universe always existed but renewed every 4.32 billion years, young earth Creationist say that God created the universe 6000 years ago. Lawrence Krause say that the universe came from nothing. I heard one once that said that both nothing and something were eternal, there was nothing, then nothing flipped to something. etc. etc). what sounds best to you?
False..,In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The Earth & the Heavens are full of water 💧 & thats a fact!
@@ithinkthonkthunk5333 ZERO supporting evidence for any claims in the Bible
It is always a waste of time listening to the believers' "arguments" or "proof". Personal feeling, subjective opinion are not evidence in court or in science
The proof of the pudding is in the eating....you can ' ask' Jesus to come in your life and you will experience that He is alive. No science, it is a matter of the heart, relationship. ' Try' it. Will change your life.
Biblical Hebrew has a smaller vocabulary than English. In Biblical Hebrew, there is no word for universe. Instead, the Hebrew phrase that is translated “the heavens and the earth” is used to refer to the universe-the entirety of physical reality: space, time, mass and energy.
The universe was created 13.78 billion years ago.
Only the God of the Bible operates outside of the time and space dimensions we live in.
Therefore creation must be from the God of the Bible.
Creator must be: transcendent, eternal, spirit, powerful, intelligent, caring, and personal.
Yet here you are. 😂
Wonderful discussion, as always! Thankful for both of you, Brothers!
He,s so lost,Jesus is a snare for those he doesn't want to know the truth,he can not know the book,he does not have the holy spirit of the Lord ,of Jesus,he can not know this book ,he is not learned
@@jeffbradley837 , I suppose that you are referring to Tyson?
For Neil to bring up Revelation, which is known by must to be symbolic rather than literalistic, as an example of the Bible being unscientific makes me want to tell him that he doesn't know enough about the Bible to not know where he's wrong about it, making him unqualified to make any claims regarding it. Either that or he's intentionally misrepresenting it, which is possibly worse.
So Dr. Ross insists that he applied the "Scientific Method" to the bible (5:45) I would love to know what Hypotheses he developed and then what sort of experiments he formulated in order to test them........ I'll wait.
His idea of the scientific method and his reasoning seem completely circular as his initial frame of reference comes from one of belief rather than skepticism. I reject his entire argument on that basis alone.
@mikeythehat6693 ... What books of his are you referring to? You seem to be totally devoid of knowledge of any of his arguments so you just speak in ignorant generalities. You'll wait forever if you don't endeavor to follow his line of thinking or read any of his books. Possibly you could form a real argument if you did.
Hugh as a complete book on the topic "More than a Theory"
Here is my favorite biblical cure (if only science were as effective)
Leviticus 14
New King James
14 Then the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 2 “This shall be the law of the [a]leper for the day of his cleansing: He shall be brought to the priest. 3 And the priest shall go out of the camp, and the priest shall examine him; and indeed, if the [b]leprosy is healed in the leper, 4 then the priest shall command to take for him who is to be cleansed two living and clean birds, cedar wood, scarlet, and hyssop. 5 And the priest shall command that one of the birds be killed in an earthen vessel over running water. 6 As for the living bird, he shall take it, the cedar wood and the scarlet and the hyssop, and dip them and the living bird in the blood of the bird that was killed over the running water. 7 And he shall sprinkle it seven times on him who is to be cleansed from the leprosy, and shall pronounce him clean, and shall let the living bird loose in the open field. 8 He who is to be cleansed shall wash his clothes, shave off all his hair, and wash himself in water, that he may be clean. After that he shall come into the camp, and shall stay outside his tent seven days. 9 But on the seventh day he shall shave all the hair off his head and his beard and his eyebrows-all his hair he shall shave off. He shall wash his clothes and wash his body in water, and he shall be clean.
Bro…this has nothing to do with healing. It’s just like an offering of thanks / ritual / ceremonial cleansing if a leper was evaluated by a priest to have been healed and was ready to be reintroduced to regular society. Read verse 3 again.
@@mattdonnelly3743
“Cleansing” in this context is a ritual with the intent to cure by appeasing God (or at least in an attempt to keep it from spreading to others)
>>Leviticus 14:32 These are the regulations for anyone who HAS a defiling skin disease and who cannot afford the regular offerings for their cleansing.
*And there is more:*
10 “On the eighth day they must bring two male lambs and one ewe lamb a year old, each without defect, along with three-tenths of an ephah[b] of the finest flour mixed with olive oil for a grain offering, and one log[c] of oil. 11 The priest who pronounces them clean shall present both the one to be cleansed and their offerings before the Lord at the entrance to the tent of meeting.
12 “Then the priest is to take one of the male lambs and offer it as a guilt offering, along with the log of oil; he shall wave them before the Lord as a wave offering. 13 He is to slaughter the lamb in the sanctuary area where the sin offering[d] and the burnt offering are slaughtered. Like the sin offering, the guilt offering belongs to the priest; it is most holy. 14 The priest is to take some of the blood of the guilt offering and put it on the lobe of the right ear of the one to be cleansed, on the thumb of their right hand and on the big toe of their right foot. 15 The priest shall then take some of the log of oil, pour it in the palm of his own left hand, 16 dip his right forefinger into the oil in his palm, and with his finger sprinkle some of it before the Lord seven times. 17 The priest is to put some of the oil remaining in his palm on the lobe of the right ear of the one to be cleansed, on the thumb of their right hand and on the big toe of their right foot, on top of the blood of the guilt offering. 18 The rest of the oil in his palm the priest shall put on the head of the one to be cleansed and make atonement for them before the Lord.
19 “Then the priest is to sacrifice the sin offering and make atonement for the one to be cleansed from their uncleanness. After that, the priest shall slaughter the burnt offering 20 and offer it on the altar, together with the grain offering, and make atonement for them, and they will be clean.
21 “If, however, they are poor and cannot afford these, they must take one male lamb as a guilt offering to be waved to make atonement for them, together with a tenth of an ephah[e] of the finest flour mixed with olive oil for a grain offering, a log of oil, 22 and two doves or two young pigeons, such as they can afford, one for a sin offering and the other for a burnt offering.
23 “On the eighth day they must bring them for their cleansing to the priest at the entrance to the tent of meeting, before the Lord. 24 The priest is to take the lamb for the guilt offering, together with the log of oil, and wave them before the Lord as a wave offering. 25 He shall slaughter the lamb for the guilt offering and take some of its blood and put it on the lobe of the right ear of the one to be cleansed, on the thumb of their right hand and on the big toe of their right foot. 26 The priest is to pour some of the oil into the palm of his own left hand, 27 and with his right forefinger sprinkle some of the oil from his palm seven times before the Lord. 28 Some of the oil in his palm he is to put on the same places he put the blood of the guilt offering-on the lobe of the right ear of the one to be cleansed, on the thumb of their right hand and on the big toe of their right foot. 29 The rest of the oil in his palm the priest shall put on the head of the one to be cleansed, to make atonement for them before the Lord. 30 Then he shall sacrifice the doves or the young pigeons, such as the person can afford, 31 one as a sin offering and the other as a burnt offering, together with the grain offering. In this way the priest will make atonement before the Lord on behalf of the one to be cleansed.”
Did the host just use the animation used on Tyson’s Cosmos as evidence that Tyson is wrong about science because that animation has sound for a fictitious spacecraft? Come on, man!
Hey Michael, thanks for the comment! What Abdu was actually talking about was the use of poetic language, or graphics in Tyson's case, to help explain things that are nonetheless true. Tyson also did this in Cosmos when he used a calendar to say the Big Bang happened on January 1st and humanity has just shown up at 11:59 on December 31st. In other words, he is using graphics to engage the imagination and to make otherwise unfathomable cosmic realities more understandable. Yet when the Bible uses figurative language, the charge is that it must be using it literally (which is demonstrably untrue) and that any interpretation that it was meant "figuratively" is an innovation that Christians made after the scientific revolution (which is also demonstrably untrue, as ancient and medieval Jews and Christians well before the scientific revolution understood figurative elements to the creation narratives in the Bible). This is why Abdu and Dr. Ross both mention how we can all still use terms like "sunrise" or "shooting stars" even though we know the sun doesn't rise and those aren't stars that are hurling through space. So, in sum, Abdu was not saying Dr. Tyson was wrong about science because of the animation, but that he also used imaginative elements to describe scientific facts. In an upcoming article that will appear on our website, I also discuss this a bit and explicitly point out that people would be entirely incorrect to posit that from these imaginative elements Dr. Tyson does not truly understand science. Hope this helps to clarify.
@@derekETT An Astrophysicist doesn't understand science? Are you actually this ignorant?
@@derekETT How is a particular interpretation of the bible demonstrably true or false? You demonstrably don't know how to use the term demonstrably.
@@highroller-jq3ix You can demonstrably prove that ancient people interpreted the Bible in figurative ways by quoting those ancient people. You can also demonstrably prove that biblical authors who wrote something figuratively meant it to be taken figuratively. For instance, when they are using a genre such as apocalyptic that is by nature figurative. These points can be "demonstrated" fairly easily :-) Thanks for the comment.
@@derekETT No, how any person at any point, ancient or otherwise, interpreted the bible is not a demonstration of the intent or nature of the text. All that demonstrates is that people interpret. No, you can't demonstrably prove (a broken, deficient phrase to begin with) whether biblical authors believed any particular image, event, moment, or point they set down in script was intended to be read figuratively or literally. That claim is demonstrably idiotic. To stupidly claim that apocalyptic thinkers are figurative about apocalyptic concepts is childishly contrarian and perverse. Ditzy, punctuation smileys aside, all you continue to demonstrate is that you don't know how to use words. Thanks for the entertainment.
Neil DeGrasse Tyson referenced a biblical passage about stars falling from the sky and then rightfully questioned the literal or figurative understanding behind it. In response, Hugh Ross's assertion that Tyson failed to consider necessary boundary or initial conditions comes across as a dramatic straw man argument.
In Dr. Tyson's scenario, no boundary or initial conditions are needed.
Additionally, it is important to note that Ross famously claims that Everything in our universe ( galaxies, stars, earth, moon, Asteroids..etc) was made by God for the sole purpose of human redemption. This implies that, according to Ross, God anticipated the need for human redemption even before creating humans, crafting the entire universe as a stage for this redemptive plan. Curious to know what boundary or initial conditions Ross used to make this amazing claim.
If this guy is going to argue based on legal rules of evidence - he's already lost, since the supernatural is not admissible as evidence in courts. And if they want to use science to prove their fairy tales they need to start with naming a single scientific law or theory that uses a god in it's formulation - so far, "We have no need of that hypothesis"
See Steven Meyer's "The RETURN of the God Hypothesis"
Eliminating God from science is a relatively recent (late 1800's) phenomenon.
@@eswn1816 - that's because the scientific method has advanced sufficiently. AGAIN, I ask, name a single scientific law or theory that uses or requires a god in it's formulation? There is nothing scientific about absurd fairy tales, whatever nonsense you, or some author may claim to the contrary.
Any 'science' that claims to utilize a god would not pass muster of the Scientific Method.
@@eswn1816 - it's also hilarious when people 'like' their own comments (unless you want to claim you have someone following you around liking all your posts "2 minutes ago")
@@DwayneShaw1
95% of cosmologists believe in the "Big Bang" as the origin of the expanding universe, but they know not what caused it!
"Science of the gaps???"
You overestimate science as an explanation of reality.
Another example is human consciousness. Evidence is massive that it doesn't come from the brain.
Scientific materialism is on the way out...
@@DwayneShaw1
So, Biden didn't vote for Biden?
FYI I also like or dislike all videos as a means of record keeping.
Anyway I find insults to be the product of weak minds......producing weak arguments... Like yours... 😲
Dr. Hugh Ross exhibits something uniquely Christ-like when he talks… gentleness.
In every single debate or argument put forth from Dr. Ross, be it against Athiests, Agnostics, Theist, Deists, Christians and non-Christians alike, Dr. Ross starts and finishes his statements, arguments, claims, and refutations from a biblical position with a spirit of Christ-like gentleness.
I have yet to see Dr. Ross raise his voice or become belligerent in any conversation but instead he boldly stands on his position from the basis of The WORD of GOD (The Bible), and having done all to stand, allowing The scripture both first and last place in every statement he makes.
Gentleness is a very needed and very necessary fruit of The Spirit that is lost on many Christian people (and I’m still in pursuit of learning to be more gentle myself…the struggle is real), and u believe without gentleness in its properly placed order of “the fruit of The Spirit” one cannot properly attain to self-control.
This is evident in many Christian (and non-Christian) people that Dr. Ross debates, as their very lack of the fruit of gentleness that Jesus Christ exhibited in both word and deed, is visible when these debaters become agitated, unhinged and lose their footing where self-control should have held the line in the sand.
Without self-control to bookend the fruits of The Spirit which begins in Love the person is immediately defaulted back to start over again beginning with Love and moving through the fruits one at a time.
I believe that this is GOD’s unique default that allows us to become both conformed into Christ likeness like water in a cup taking the form of Jesus, as well as how we become transformed into the new creation that Jesus blood bought and paid for victory on the cross of Calvary afforded those that believe Jesus died for us to live as Him, for Him, because of Him.
To me, this is Dr. Ross’s biggest flex that glorifies Christ Jesus and is why Dr. Ross is always composed in Christ-like self control, and it is a wonderful testimony of Dr. Ross’s life lived giving Jesus Christ first place as Sovereign KING, LORD and Saviour of his life.
Thank you for the GODly example.
Thanks a lot for this podcast Abdu, Dr.Ross is a very humble and gentle man of God and very respectful, I've been blessed a lot by his ministry, he is truly a blessing to the body of Christ.
What’s the group that Dr. Ross is talking about at the end? I’m an Ivy League trained engineer and would love to join the effort in scientifically proving the Bible correct
It's the Reasons to Believe Scholar Community. Check it out here! reasons.org/curriculum/scholar-community
I like Dr. Tyson in his proper field of Astrophysics. I only wish he applied the same rigor to things outside his field. If he had, he would have a much better reputation.
I have a theory: Vegetation was created before the sun and the moon. You're broccoli.
May god bless you
Excellent presentation. The issue cuts both ways. You have PhD scientists who have not studied the Bible. You also have Bible believers and PhD theologians who have not studied science. Ben Franklin stated that we should be a jack of all trades but a master of "one". That "one" he is referring to is the Bible.
God gave us 2 books: the Book of Nature and the Book of Scripture. By that statement I am showing my bias.
This video is a perfect illustration of what the general populous is dealing with. You have presented 2 PhD experts. One discredits the Bible, the other claims that the Bible is the inerrant word of God. We end up with dueling PhD's. Which one do you listen to?
Those with a naturalistic world view will listen to Dr. Tyson. Those with a Christian Old Earth world view will listen to Dr. Ross. Those with a Christian Young Earth world view will not listen to either of these men. We are not even addressing the many other Religious world views.
I love how Dr. Ross graciously demonstrates the error from Dr. Tyson.
I guarantee Dr. Tyson would not do the same!
You're forgetting some huge elephants in the room. The bible is one holy book amounst a pile of thousands. Why does it get a pass and the koran, bagadavita, and dhammapadda are just overlooked? (These are just large holy books from large religions.) If we take only these four large religions, the bible at best, has a 25% chance of being correct. If Dr Tyson has this conversation with another religious leader, the science doesn't change but all the other mumbo jumbo does.
If all humans died tomorrow, there would be no more religion, but science would still be true.
Out of curiosity, are you a Christian?
@@mojohand74 Where on Earth did you come up with that ill-educated nonsensical mumbo jumbo gibberish?
The Earth is 4.5662 +/- 0.0001 billion years old.
An oscillating Universe has been debunked due to a 13.79 billion year old Universe being older than 3.25 (?) billion year old Hindu Universe and entropy. Thus eliminating all reincarnation possibilities.
The Quran puts the Stars closer than the Planets, which can be seen as inaccurate with the naked eye.
The Quran states that Allah's word is written and can not be changed.
Allah takes credit for both the Torah (Old Testament) and Gospels (New Testament).
1) If the Bible is true then the Quran is false because the Bible teaches that there is but one God. It is not Allah.
2) If the Bible is false then the Quran is false because Allah stated that he is responsible for it.
3) Either way the Quran is false as per Allah's words that cannot be changed.
The Tora and the Gospels are both very clear that there is but one God! It is not Allah!
You can't escape the Islamic dilemma no matter what word gymnastics you try!
If the Bible is true, the Quran is FALSE!
If the Bible is false, the Quran is still FALSE!
Allah is a man made false god no different than Thor or Zeus!
Quit while you are behind.
Ignorance can be fixed through proper education.
Willful ignorance cannot be fixed because it is an individual choice.
What do "people" numbers have to do with anything? That is a bromide!
Maybe you should read Genesis 1 instead of simply being a mindless lemming letting others tell you what to think.
The Bible clearly states on PAGE 1:
1) 4 starting conditions of the Early Earth.
2) 10 Creation events in the correct chronological sequence.
3) How about the expanding Universe, written in the Bible thousands of years before scientists "discovered" that fact in ~1929!
You just want to argue.
4) Did the Universe have a beginning?
Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God Created the Heavens and the Earth."
(Bereshit bara Elohim et hashamayim ve'et ha'aretz.)
a) Bereshit bara Elohim (Hebrew) - “In the beginning God Created”
b) et hashamayim ve'et ha'aretz (Hebrew): (*)"the heavens and the earth".
(*) *This is a merism, a figure of speech indicating the two stand NOT for "heavens" and "earth" individually, but "everything" (i.e. the Universe).
It is not about the Earth.
It is about the Universe.
(The word "Universe" did not exist in the Biblical Hebrew Language).
5) Land plants came ~1.2 billion years ago, fact.
6) Sea animals came ~575 million years ago as part of the Avalon explosion, fact.
7) Genesis 1:11 documented the FACT that land plants came before sea animals written some 3500 years ago!!!
The only way that it is possible for these confirmed scientific facts to have been accurately documented by Biblical Authors thousands of years ago is by God.
GET OVER IT!
What, you think they got this information from aliens?
Luck?
Reinterpretation of the text?
The origins of the Old Testament date back to ~3500 B.C.!
The Dead Sea scrolls are dated ~3 B.C. affirming the validity of this text!
Again, You don't know that the Genesis 1 text gives us 4 correct starting conditions and 10 Creation events in the correct chronological sequence because you have not looked at the details. You think that this is coincidence?
1) The Bible is the only Holy Book that gets 14 out of 14 correct.
2) The Enuma Elish gets 2 out of 14.
3) "ALL" other Holy books get ZERO!
THAT IS 0 OUT OF 14!!!!!!
Therefore, all other so called Holy books are man made. They cannot be from the Creator of matter, space, time, and energy and are irrelevant.
Do you think that Genesis 1 is the only Creation text? There are more than a dozen!
Does Job give us details as to why the Earth is covered in darkness?
Does Job give us details about six forms of precipitation on day 2?
Getting the point?
You post like mister know it all Tyson!
Then, in a matter of seconds it turns out that neither of you know what you are talking about.
But, will argue anyway!
@@Myeternalperspective Did you read my comment? Quote, "God gave us 2 books: the Book of Nature and the Book of Scripture. By that statement I am showing my bias."
@@MutsPub Thanks chief but a simple yes or no answer would’ve sufficed. Instead of acting like an arrogant fool. So there’s that…
I have to ackowledge that prof. Tyson overlooked the meaning of falling stars, wich clearly, can mean plain meteorites...
Expert witness? Creation is INADMISSIBLE in a court of law
What do you mean? That the universe was created is practically proven
@@vikroy3777 What exactly is your incoherent comment
@@imafeltersnatch7634 ?
You mean inadmissible in MANS court of law.
The universe was indeed created.
You don’t have the facility to voice your question with a little specificity……
Your profile name suggests you are as much a twisted adolescent as people like PDiddy or DJT.
We have no idea of how long "in the beginning" actually was. "The Heaven" I believe was just like the Earth "without form and void". The Bible/scriptures speak of the earth and it's purpose. When "God said let there be light" ite stars began to shine.
The cockiness of Niels deGrasse Tyson makes me ashamed to be a career and storied scientist! The BIBLE was never meant to be a Science book, the BIBLE is all about God and man's relationship with God!
Dr. Tyson doesn't have the correct approach to the Bible and he never will because of his love of his own intelligent. If we are tall, if we are strong, if we are handsome, then all these things are GIFTS of GOD! If we don't come to God as a humble child, we will never enter Heaven!!
These comments are tiresome. I witness these same “arguments” all over the internet. People constantly trying to find clever ways to call each other idiots. The arrogance of people to honestly believe they have it all figured out.
No one is interested in learning or growing or participating in any genuine conversation. Bravo, you’re all the most brilliant person in the room.
What is the evidence that it’s long periods of time instead of literal 24 hour days? I really want to hear about this evidence…
The scientific evidence is that the universe is 13.78 billion of years old. Scientist know how to measure the age of the universe and the earth to a high degree of certainty use several different methods.
No night on the seventh day would kinda be a big one... Secondly the seven days aren't the start of creation anyways. Gen 1:1 is. Then a huge gap in time and we see a totally different picture Gen 1:2 then God starts restoring the earth during the seven days.
@@WaterspoutsOfTheDeep The only way religious people can defend their archaic immoral fairy tales is to twist and manipulate what their scriptures actually say. According to the story - God created light AND divided it into night and day - which means they are refferring to VISIBLE LIGHT - not just energy (divided visible light into night and day before he created the Sun, btw)
The Creation rationalizations about "for God,a day is as a thousand years" is nonsense because the creation myth clearly defines what is meant by a day within the text of the story.
Genesis 1:3-5 - "And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning-the first day." (I'm no expert on Hebrew or Aramaic, but every time I've looked into religious claims of mistranslated words the claims are shown to be unfounded when taken in the context of the passage - even in English 'day' can have various meanings - but we do not confuse those meanings in context - like "... the evening and morning of the first day")
The Bible later, in demanding the Jews keep the Sabbath, enforces what was meant by a 'creation day' in Exodus 20:11 - "For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day and made it holy." There's a huge difference between this verse and the one pulled out of Christian backsides about "a day is as a thousand years". The former actually references creation, the latter is about not knowing the time of the Rapture. Alpha and Omega - completely opposite ends of the spectrum.
But, even if I grant the idiocy about a day not being a day, we are still left with the fact that the Bible claims Adam was created on the sixth day -who lived 930 years -and begat children, that "begat" and "lived to be" - all adding up to an unbroken chronology of a mere 6000 years since the 'end of creation'- and mentions nothing of the 200,000 - 300,000 years Homo Sapiens have existed, or the other human species in the fossil record that date back millions of years like Homo Habilis, Homo Ergaster, Homo Erectus, Homo Antecessor, Homo Helmei, Homo Neander-thalensis, etc. (which was made in the image of God?)
Christians are absurdly trying to rewrite the ridiculous myth (that was accepted as literal and unerring for centuries) to fit modern knowledge because it's all they can do to try to prop up their ignorant immoral fairy tale religion. Even though the Bible explicitly tells them not to.
Deuteronomy 4:2 - "You shall not add to the word that I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God that I command you."
Proverbs 30:5-6 - "Every word of God proves true; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him. Do not add to his words, lest He rebuke you and you be found a liar."
I know that serious and informed Christians like Dr. Ross hope that by preaching and teaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ, they will bring the light of Truth into this dark world and share a knowledge of eternal life with all who will listen. But what is the hope of the atheist in arguing against what the Christian believes to be true?
@@mlumbra8874 - the hope of this atheist is that people will quit believing in horridly immoral fairy tales about a horridly immoral god, and quit using their vote to perpetuate draconian and bigoted social policies.
The hope is that people will finally grow up and become more humanistic.
Neil based his hypothesis on the Books of Genesis and Revelations only. His original premise was “if you only read those books your conclusions will be scientifically incorrect. That is a correct assumption when using only those two books. Wake Up America!!!
The part about stars falling from heaven is from Revelation, a highly symbolic book. One of the stars is given a key to use! When he claims that interpreting Revelation figuratively is some kind of evasion, he is showing that he has never read it.
Neil talking about the Bible is just ridiculous. He obviously hasn't done any serious Bible studies!!!
It wouldn't do him any good, some people just don't get it no matter how smart they are.
@@SamytheGreek Exactly. Religious leaders dont't want you to be smart - that's how you work out it's all nonsense
Citing Genesis would require Citing the author of Genesis. Good luck.
This " expert witness " is completely obvious to the rule of court
Ndg is completely disingenuous. He speaks inherently in strawmen.
Now if people here understood this that
"To properly contend with an idea
You must first properly represent the idea"
If NDG stuck to this simple principle, his worldview would fall apart
Hugh Ross, you are correct my Brother, about the six days of creation NOT being a crucial issue regarding our salvation. However, you are mistaken about "yom" in Genesis 1. You are mis-interpreting it to fit your worldview. WHENEVER the word for day appears with numbers, either cardinal or ordinal numbers it ALWAYS means literal 24 hours. That is proven wherever you see the word "yom" with a number.
That is pure YEC sophistry!
Stop listening to gossip and rumors from fools!
1) Genesis 1 is the only place in Scripture where day (yom) with numbers is referring to "NATURAL HISTORY."
2) It is true that elsewhere in Scripture where you find day (yom) associated with numbers it is referring to 24 hours.
3) HOWEVER,
these 300+ other places where you see day (yom) with numbered days is associated with
a) “HUMAN HISTORY.”
NOT
b) “NATURAL HISTORY!!”
(The YEC always leave that "detail" out! )
Also, the language used in Genesis 1:5 is claimed by the YEC to define a 24 hour period, yet the same language is used in Zechariah 14:1-5 is referring to the day of the lord which is a long period of time.
The YEC also claim that you see “evening and morning” in 37 other passages attached to the word day (yom) outside of Genesis 1.
If you actually look up all those passages, in NO case do you see “evening and morning” attached to the word day (yom)!
Again, the YEC always leave that detail out!
The closest you come is in Psalms 55:17 where King David says, “evening and morning and at noon I will pray and cry aloud.” (KJV)
But the word day does not show up in this text!
If you look at the other “claimed” texts you will find the word day in the same paragraph, but you won’t find it in the same sentence used with “evening and morning.”
Moreover, when the days outside of Genesis are numbered, it’s not true even with “human history,” that they are always 24 hour periods.
Hosea 6:2. It refers to the Jews as a people being without a King for two days and then on the third day, they will have a ruler. Making a reference to the diaspora where the Jews were without a ruler over their nation for 2,000 years!
You must put the YEC claims to the test!
Test all things, hold on to that which is good. - 1 Thes 5:21
The Bible is the inerrant word of Yahweh.
@@MutsPub It's sad that you resort to childish insults. My analysis is NOT based on "YEC sophistry!" Rather, it's based on a careful study of God's word, in the Hebrew specifically. You are sorely mistaken about so many things, I hardly know where to begin!!
You foolishly try to claim that the Bible differentiates between "human history" and "natural history".
Your ignorance of the word "Yom" and how it's used is sad. First, I didn't base the idea of a 24 hour day on "There was evening, and there was morning, the first day," which appears once for each of the six days of creation. The ordinal number appears with EACH of the first six days, AND three (3) times in Gen 2:1-3 for the "Seventh Day"!!
Further, what I didn't point out was Yahweh, or the "LORD" gave the 10 commandments to Moses and said in In Exodus 20:8, "Remember the Sabbath by keeping it holy." (NIV)
BUT!! In verse 9 he says specifically "Six days you shall labor and do all your work," which CLEARLY means six 24 hour period!
Then God continues in verse 10 "...but the SEVENTH DAY is a sabbath to the LORD your God." [emphasis added]
Finally, in verse 11 "For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy."
I'm sure you're not silly enough to claim that these aren't six calendar days! The LORD (Yahweh) Himself said He made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but He rested on the SEVENTH DAY" [emphasis added] (NIV)
So NOT ONLY are the seven days LITERAL DAYS according to God's Word, God specifically ordained the week as something unique in the cosmos. From "Nature" we can understand the rotation of the earth on its axis to determine the 24 day, we can discern the month (lunar cycle) from its revolution around the earth, and the revolution around the Sun for the calendar year.
The week in our calendar is ONLY found in Genesis 1:3-2:3, and confirmed in Exodus 20:8-11. You will NOT find anything in nature that corresponds to the week. That is NOT "YEC Sophistry" it is God's word in black and white!
@@stevenrobinson8263 1) The bible clearly differentiates natural history in Genesis 1. Why do you lie?
2) The Hebrew word for day (yom) has 4 literal definitions why do you need to lie? That is willful ignorance.
3) You choose to ignore facts due to indoctrinated YEC folklore theology.
4) Your Exodus example is an analogy not an equation!
6) The same pattern is used in Exodus 23:10-12 and Leviticus 25:2-5, using years instead of days
However, here you work the land for 6 YEARS and then rest the land for 1 YEAR for the health of the soil and to benefit the less fortunate.
It is God’s same 6 to 1 pattern that is important.
7) The Lord did Create in 6 literal days (yom). NOT 144 hours!
8) According to YEC sophistry Adam was alive for less than 24 hours. He only had 12 hours of daylight. Because of YEC sophistry, there is a figurative “clock” ticking from the time God Created Adam for him to accomplish all that is listed in the text.
Is everything that Adam did on day 6 listed?
Is it an all inclusive list?
a) What time was it in when God Created Adam outside of Eden and placed him in Eden? Daylight? The clock’s ticking! Less than 12 hours of daylight if it was sunrise?
b) Adam watched the trees grow. How long does it take for a tree to grow? Weeks! Oh no, the YEC lie says it can’t be. The clock is ticking!
c) He worked the garden. Did he admire and smell flowers? Burned a lot of time.
d) Did Adam eat food that he had never seen, smelled, or tasted before? Burned a lot of time.
e) Did Adam use the restroom? Burned time.
f) Did Adam stare at all that was around him in absolute amazement? Burned a lot of time.
g) Was Adam in a hurry? - Nope! Wasting precious time on the YEC clock!
h) The clock is ticking! Times running out!
i) He observed “all” the animals and birds to determine their characteristics in order to give them “each” an appropriate name. ALL OF THEM! HUNDREDS, THOUSANDS OF ANIMALS AND BIRDS! How long would it take to determine the characteristics of these animals for Adam especially since he had never seen ANY of them before? He was just Created a few hours ago! Don’t lie! It would take you hours just to name a puppy! It would take Adam a lot more time than is allotted!
You people have not thought it through!
When you lie and create fairy tales it always comes back to bite you!
j) God put Adam to sleep and performed surgery on his side. Burned a lot of time.
k) Adam recovered from that procedure. Burned a lot of time.
l) When Adam first saw Eve, he was so lonely that he proclaimed, “At long last.” - Seriously?
m) Everything was new to Adam yet he got so lonely in less than a few hours? Nonsense.
That alone is agenda driven sophistry. Stop lying!
n) It’s one thing to claim God miraculously did it.
It’s another thing all together to suggest that a mere mortal Adam could accomplish all that is listed plus that which was not listed in such a short amount of time! Don’t lie.
9) The Biblical Hebrew language of Moses has only one word (yom) to describe this phenomena. Moses simply had no other word he could use.
a) Any part of the daylight hours between Sunrise and Sunset (yom).
b) All of the daylight hours between Sunrise and Sunset (yom).
c) One of the daylight and nighttime hours combined total (yom).
d) Long but finite periods of the daylight and nighttime hours combined total (yom).
e) All of the daylight and nighttime hours combined total (yom).
10) Day 6 was longer than 24 hours. Don’t lie.
So, how can you claim that Moses meant 24 hours for each day?
11) There was evening and there was morning the first day.
a) For there to be this evening, which means from the time that the sun sets, there had to be sunlight prior to it! But, YEC sophistry falsely claims the is no sun here!
By your definition this could then not be the first day!
But it is!
You are toast on your 24 hour day concept straight out the gate!
Mic drop!
b) Evening to morning is only 12 hours! Morning in this case would be the last 12 hours of the first day leaving the first 12 hours of daylight unaccounted for.
You lose again.
c) To this day Jews use this pattern of the day beginning at sunset and ending the following sunset marking a 24 hour period! Their Sabbath STARTS at sunset on Friday.
But you have to pretend otherwise due to your agenda!
You lose still again.
d) You cannot use a 21st century mind set and apply it to an ancient mind set thousands of years ago!
e) Each of the first 6 days was stated with the same evening / morning pattern.
Evening first, morning second!
It is written and you cannot alter it for your agenda!
f) Day 1 was either not 24 hours or the text is setting starting and stopping parameters for the other periods to come.
12) We have been in the 7th day for thousands of years. That is also not a 24 hour day.
Don't twist and lie.
13) So Days 1, 6, and 7 are not referring to 24 hour periods of time.
14) From nature no one on the surface of the Earth can discern anything from the rotation of the Earth without the stars, moon, or any reference point! How would you know that it is rotating? Please stop lying! YEC pseudo-science and Folklore theology claim that the Earth was Created by itself!
You just trapped yourself in another lie!
a) You claim that the Sun was not Created until Day 4. Yet, Adam was not created until Day 6. How could Adam know what 24 hours means? Was Moses there? NO! Moses used the word yom, the YEC made it 24 hours not him!
15) The word for Create is "bara" it means to create something that never existed before. It is only used 3 times in Genesis 1. In the beginning, Day 5, and Day 6.
YEC sophistry claims let, made, make, and Create all mean the same thing. Just hush!
16) A global flood is YEC sophistry!
Sorry. your argument is with Scripture. Stop listening to gossip and rumors from fools.
17) When you were an infant, you drank milk. You should be grown up by now eating solid food. Hebrews 5:11-14. 11)
18) The fact that the worldwide geologic record lacks an immense stratum of gravel or conglomerate across continents demonstrates that there has never been a worldwide megaflood! 19) No dinosaur fossils are known from megaflood deposits, NONE!
20) Please produce one, just one, citation outside of the YEC pseudo science illustrating a Global megaflood. You cannot because there are NOT any.
21) All the people prior to the flood were disobedient to God and DID NOT spread out and cover the Earth. They lived in one region.
They did not spread out until after the flood and the Tower of Babel. Genesis 11!
The flood was Genesis 6-8!
Maybe you should read it some time.
22) It is only the agenda biased YEC folklore theology zealots that continue to make these unfounded claims.
23) The Sun was Created in the beginning.
“Bereshit bara Elohim (et hashamayim ve'et ha'aretz)”
24) More YEC sophistry. Helium in rocks proves that the Earth is young. This is a flat out lie! There is no polite way to put it!
25) Helium -4 is infused into the rocks from the decay of Thorium and Uranium.
26) We have at least 7 ways to determine that the Earth is 4.5662 billion years old. YEC Dr. Humphreys knows this!
27) Billions of years of animal and plant death before Adam denies the atonement of the cross. - Lie.
28) Jesus died on the cross for all spiritually dead sinners to atone for those sins.
29) Jesus did not die on the cross for animal or plants!
Only mankind can sin!
30) T-Rex was a vegetarian. - lie.
31) Soft tissue found in dinosaur fossils prove thousands of years and could not be millions of years old.- lie.
32) Soft tissue could not survive even thousands of years, as the YEC agree to, without the exact same processes that allow the tissue to survive millions of years! More YEC sophistry.
33) Fenton reactions contribute to long-term preservation of blood cells which is erroneously denied by YEC. Complete YEC sophistry, AGAIN!
The scientific articles are online for all to see, free of charge.
34) The Continents were formed in the few months of the flood. - Lie.
35) 7000+ miles of horizontal plate tectonic movement would have vaporized all of the water and wiped out the Earth's atmosphere destroying all life!
36) You want more?
37) There are millions of people that have accepted Jesus knowing absolutely nothing about science which is perfectly fine!
38) However, once you learn the facts, what you do with that information is on you.
If you call people heretics for accepting facts then continue to intentionally mislead others, that is a different issue.
The Bible does not teach the universe is 6,000 years old. That is no not in the Bible, The Bible teaches the earth is old.
The biblical Hebrew word yom - day:
Sunrise to sunset Sunset to next sunset A long, but finite span of time.
There is no evening and morning for day 7.
Hebrews 4:10 clearly agrees and states that day 7 has continued to today.
Day 7 is long, days 1 to 6 are long.
Deuteronomy 33:15 states the earth has ancient mountains.
YEC rejects the Bible's teaching.
Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
@@djsarg7451 when you apply your meaning while ignoring the Hebrew explanation and usage, you create a false pretext.
EVERYWHERE in the Old Testament, EVERY TIME you have a number with yom, it means a 24 hour period. Please don't use your evolutionary worldview to misstate what God's inspired (literally, God-breathed) Word.
Finally, applying the language of Hebrews 4:10 is a complete misinterpretation of the verse and chapter! The force of the chapter is encouraging the Jews to believe in Christ Jesus, and "enter (His) rest", i.e. Heaven. The writer quotes Genesis 2:2 (from the Septuagint), and quotes Psalm 95:11 to say, "They shall never enter my rest." You are completely bastardizing God's word to fit into your misunderstanding of the Bible and your evolution theory. Sad...
The terror of death can make otherwise educated people think like children.
Wow, how do you spell archaic cliche?
Describe what nothing looks like to you? You’d probably think of sleep eh? Just black and nothing, however if you do imagine this, you’re imagining something and you are still alive in your imagination. You quite literally cannot imagine nothing, it is humanly impossible. It is illogical in my opinion to assume this if we could absolutely never imagine something.
@@theweirdestsmartchannel1842if it’s nothing like how death would be then what I imagine is that. Nothing. I feel nothing, I see nothing, I do not think, I have o concept of self or other wise or anything because I am simply noth there. There is nothing to imagine because there is nothing of me to be in that situation.
@@riastradh but my point is that we can’t imagine nothing, cause if we do imagine nothing, it’s not nothing in our conscientiousness, it’s something because we imagine nothing, therefore there isn’t nothing. I just don’t think we can imagine nothing.
@@theweirdestsmartchannel1842 idk, I’m finding it pretty easy to imagine nothing
If people want to claim that you have to have a young earth take to be a Christian, we could quote the apostle's creed, which doesn't mention anything about the creation of the earth aside from the fact that it was made by God, "I believe in God the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth."
There is a lot of verbal contortion going on here. Dr Ross spends a lot of effort explaining that there are many ways to interpret words. What I get from this is that the Bible means whatever you want it to mean. This runs contrary to what every Christian church leader wants us to know about the Bible. We are told that the Bible is the “absolute truth”. Now, according to Dr Ross, we are supposed to believe that we are supposed to not follow the words of the Bible but rather our interpretation of it.
There are many examples in the Bible that may seem contradictory and challenge the idea of "absolute truth". Specifically when you look at the Old Testament vs. New Testament. John 1:18 says, ‘No man has seen God at any time and Genesis 17:1 says, “And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram (research other examples of God appearing to man). Matthew 16:20 Jesus "Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.” and later in Mark 16:15 "And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature". So here are two examples where you can't take one scripture and exclude other scriptures to draw the appropriate conclusions of what God is saying. Just a thought.
Nonsense. Ross has both the science and Biblical text right.
Dr Ross was telling the truth. The Hebrew language has fewer words than Greek or English. Hebrew words have multiple different meanings depending on the context of the sentence or passage So the Hebrew word in Genesis translated to day in English can mean 4 ( as I recall) different things including a 24 hour period or long period of time depending on the context of the passage.
@@SamytheGreek It has NONE of that
@Michael Griffone,
No, he simply went to the original Greek and Hebrew the Bible was written in. For example, the word translated in English for a "day" in ancient Greek was a period of time, not 24 hours. Please go back and listen. Amazing how people can watch or read something, and completely be in left field as to comprehending it...
You did not debunk squat until you actually debated with the person you're trying to debunk. Doing interviews on various echo chambers does not mean debunking.
Thank you. Dr Ross is amazing.
Neil deGrasse Tyson is a product of diversification and inclusiveness. According to his achievements, he belongs to the middle or below the middle of the scientific community. Therefore, his exposure in the media does not reflect his scientific contribution. But Neil has an opinion on everything and gets involved (his opinion on whether it's fair for biological men to compete in women's sports is particularly amusing) in everything, which ends in debacle. Neil is fun to listen to when he talks about science because he has a talent for communicating his knowledge wittily and comprehensibly to the masses. And that's all. Everything else gives me chills.
Some real mental gymnastics going on here, lol
Please give some examples of of the mental gymnastics.
@@barry5557”when they said stars they actually meant angels” lol lol lol lol
@@barry5557FYI the writers of the Bible did not know about meteors,THEY DIDN’T EVEN KNOW WHERE THE SUN WENT AT NIGHT
Really enjoyed the inclusion of a legal framework in this argument and Dr. Ross was a methodical expert witness. Indeed you need to employ astronomy, physics philology, and also be a biblical theologian to answer this question fairly among other sciences. I'm always impressed at Dr. Ross's ability to do this so completely and Dr. Tyson fails in his argument by only using astronomy.
Apparently, God has limits to his power; he needed to create in attainable steps.
And then...he apparently felt some need to rest.
@rizdekd3912 Ultimately and perfectly put.
@@goodquestion7915 It's odd how those who assert God is omnipotent and omniscient continue to justify it having to continually accommodate the world, which they say, he himself created.
@rizdekd3912 yeah, I wonder if they'd still think that way after seriously and carefully comparing the other myths (Babylonian, Asirian, and Canaanite) to their favorite myth.
@@goodquestion7915 They are so self centered and non-introspetive they just can't believe anyone could seriously think different than they do.
Paul in in the 4th chapter of Hebrews revealed some 4,000 years after the beginning of the seventh day that that oeriod of time was still ongoing and that Christians habe opportunity to enter or rest within it from sin. That includes Christians today, some 6,000 years later. So each day was thiusands of years long.
I like that! Dr. Tyson is an Astrophysicist not a biblical scholar, so he does not have the proper foundation to make these statements? To prove him wrong, we have Dr. Hugh Ross, an Astrophysicist to provide the rebuttal. LOL! Well done!
At about 3:26 you talk about 6 literal days, as the bible states. If god used the word day to mean something other than the approximate 12 hours of daylight or the 24 hours it takes for the Earth to complete a rotation, please show me that in the bible. I cannot understand why an intelligent being would confuse by mixing up the meanings of a word. It is bad enough that day has two meanings in the English language and thus requires the surrounding words to clarify. A god would not do that and would especially not have a word mean 12, 24 hours or billions of years.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
Clearly day means 24 hours.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
Clearly a day here is 12 hours.
Genesis 2: 2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Clearly god meant a day was anywhere between 500,000,000 to 1,000,000,000 years! LOL!
I guess that could be true! After all, Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. God created he him both male and female at the same time! Chapter 2, he decided to make them on different days {Not sure if that means 12 hours, 24 hours, or anywhere between 500,000,000 to 1,000,000,000 years, only after the male tried to find a mate among the animals.
Do you think god was having a laugh having Adam try to find a mate among the animals? LOL! What a joker!
Odd that god made male and female animals but it took a bit to figure out that the human male may want to have a female too! LOL!
One more thought on the topic of earth transported materials to see what evidence there is on the moon for diverse microorganisms. First, we would need to radiometrically date each species to see their age, which says nothing about when they may have first evolved on earth, only their age at the time they started their journey to the moon… so, hang with me now… if there are diverse microorganisms found on the moon that originated on earth how can we know the actual beginnings of each one based on when they were blown to the moon, perhaps by a particularly strong solar wind? Isn’t it possible, even likely that several of the microorganism species had been around much longer, perhaps tens of millions of years longer on earth, but were still alive just prior (in geological time scale) to being blown to the moon?
I wonder what scientists have said about Dr. Ross’ hypothesis? I expect most view it as a non-starter. Didn’t the astronauts take soil and rock samples already? And I’m quite certain they were studied extensively for any signs of once living organisms. So is this hypothesis by Dr. Ross just a clever way of manipulating people into thinking that because he proposes it; he must be legitimate? Too many things here that just don’t add up in the end. 😢
Neil Degrasse doesn't know anything about God, Jesus, or the Bible, he needs to seek Jesus.
He said stars can not fall to the earth. The bible is talking about a meteor shower. He should know that. His understanding of the Bible leaves a LOT to be desired. It also looks like he does not know as much about science as we thought he did.
Hugh Ross is cognitive dissonance personified. I am getting a headache trying to understand his convoluted theory and so will the majority of the theists and atheists viewing this diatribe.
Biblical Hebrew has a smaller vocabulary than English. In Biblical Hebrew, there is no word for universe. Instead, the Hebrew phrase that is translated “the heavens and the earth” is used to refer to the universe-the entirety of physical reality: space, time, mass and energy.
The universe was created 13.78 billion years ago.
Only the God of the Bible operates outside of the time and space dimensions we live in.
Therefore creation must be from the God of the Bible.
Creator must be: transcendent, eternal, spirit, powerful, intelligent, caring, and personal.
Neil need to research what "stars" falling out of the sky meant in revelations, because at one point it meant the angels falling after the siege of heave, another was abandon arriving on earth and a third time was the sun becoming hotter and scorching the earth (which coincidently niel agrees that the sun will become hotter and engulf the earth at some point)
Tyson is a clueless naturalist.
What does that even mean?
@@atticusrex2691 That he can't see beyond the physical.
He is thinking way too hard about the Bible saying that the writers didn’t understand how the universe works. The spirit instilled in the prophets had them writing things they barely understood themselves. But many things in the Bible are not meant to be taken literally. Such as “stars falling out of the sky” is a metaphor. It could mean many things, such as asteroids. Of course I don’t know what exactly will happen in the second coming of Christ, but we’re given an idea.
So, why doesn’t Ross debate Tyson where Ross’s criticism can be challenged? Why doesn’t Ross submit his own biblical thesis for scientific examination? The answer is obvious.
Q. How do you know a Christian doesn’t know what the Bible says?
A. Because they’re a Christian.
it seems that Abdu has risen to a new audience that is the next step to the understanding of the audience! It is informative as well as encouraging to those who will hear it! The stars as asteroids makes a lot of sense . I remember working our fields on our small farm as a young lad when I found these nice smooth round black rocks in the fields where no rocks existed other than these. I asked questions to sustain my take of where they came from and it was from falling stars I had seen and thus the evidence of what they were being burned to this 4 to 8" burned down perfectly smooth rock in colour I found nowhere else I had searched at that time!
So according to this astrophysisist, I wonder how he squares the fact that the universe is at least 13 billion years old and the earth is 4.6 billion years old, God was above the waters which covered the earth, and there were opqaue clouds blocking out the Sun to the life in the waters which suddenly went translucent in the second day.
Stars were created on the fourth day.
Tyson ‘s main problem is that he is madly in love with the sound of his own voice.
2Pet. 3. [8] But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
Why don't they mention this little tidbit?
A clear difference between knowledge and wisdom. Knowledge without wisdom leads to foolishness.
Jesus explained this to Nicodemus, "I assure you we tell you what we know and have seen, and yet you won't believe our testimony. But If you don't believe me when I tell you of earthly things, how can you possibly believe if I tell you of heavenly things? No one has ever gone to heaven and returned."
Neil Tyson believes that we are living in a simulation. Imaging the leap of faith it takes to believe something like that.
Actually is Revelation chapter 6 the stars indicate the falling stars as meteors that fall daily from the sky. Which at that time will be visible through the darkened sky.
He just did exactly what Tyson said. He scientifically inducted a starting point to suit his perspective. That is not objective or close to it 💁
When the references within scripture alone and additionally beyond , as with science, secure the truth of scripture we can clearly see scientism as it is, a weak substitute for the truth.
Iron sharpens iron… 🦋
Angels are also called stars in the Scriptures so that could be the interpretation of the stars falling from heaven
I agree, but it could be both... the wicked angels were already cast out of heaven, tho.
Hey Abdu! I didn't know you had a podcast! Love it!!