as much as i love that they show different formats this was not a well choosen match up. I mean a fair creature beatdown deck with one unfair card(goblin lackey) vs. a combo control deck, with mass removal, land destruction, instant tutors and sol ring lands yeah sounds fun. And the fact that the goblin deck had 10 sideboard cards vs. 4 and the 4 where miles better because chill is busted like hell) then the 10...def not the best promotion for this format imo.
Such a fun format! Is there a very stable meta lr does it have space for homebrew? I'm interested in playing a less powercreep format rn and premodern seems perfect. Thanks a lot and good luck in the tournament!
@@54regas tier 1 decks are stable but the meta is slowly moving constantly. Current best decks are something like: Dreadnought Elves Goblins Burn Replenish Oath BW control Many other decks can win. Stasis, Survival variations, mono b control, Pit-Rack, the Rock, UW control, uw White weenie, Enchantress,... Other decks excel in the right meta. Bratpack example maybe RW Rifter. And new decks and variations are still made. BW control for example is a recent development of Dead Guy Ale.
Pre-Modern with Andrea Mengucci, this is already awesome and I haven't even watched yet. Just making a comment and watching later for sure. Can't wait! EDIT: Okay, the video was fun. The match wasn't as close I had hoped but that is just these decks having a werid matchup I guess. The opalenscence deck seems extremely strong, having tutors, mana acceleration in the form of Ancient Tomb and City of Traitors. (and a bit of Frantic searching sprinkled in) Without one of the most broken sideboard cards though, game 2 would have been much tougher. I think Pre-modern as a format still needs quite a bit of tweaking, as it seems swarmed with combo decks, looking at the metagame. Still, I love having this format around and it will probably evolve into something really fun, playing with the nostalgic cards that some of us grew up with and love.
@@strangemolars Well, judging from the only source I have, which is the official Pre-Modern website, they feature 17 decks of which 7 of them are clear combo decks (over 40% of the meta represented) The 'aggro' decks are only 3 decks, 2 of them being goblins and elves, which operate more like combo decks at times as well. This opalescence deck isn't even in the list and I've seen several Intuition based combo decks that aren't on there as well. I didn't even count the reanimator deck as a combo deck, which it technically is. If you really know for certain this format is not for a large part combo based, point to some evidence or share your knowledge here. I see a format that is still very early in it's infancy and has a ton of broken things and no Force of Will to keep it in check. That is not necessarily a bad thing, but it is a reality judging from the information at my disposal.
@@pinobluevogel6458 The entire internet is at your disposal, and the information you need is the second link if you type "premodern" in google, instead of only looking at the first link. Might be easier to click an extra link than type a textwall. Just go on MTGDecks in the Premodern part. Actual tournament data, actual second link on google.
Great to see Premodern get some love. It's a super fun and diverse format and I recommend it to anyone who's looking for a semi-casual 60 card format. Especially if you played MtG back in the late 90s/early 00s.
@@jackl8025 Some decks stay on top, but i'd say the meta game has been constantly evolving over the year i played it. Usually with new top dogs coming in, and other decks to counter the topdog! There's also lots of people playing it with a bit of fun in mind. Even in competitive tournaments people bring all sorts of decks!
I'm always excited to see Andrea on here and very happy Mengu's workshop is up and running. It was fun seeing how dejected Toffel got by the end of it. Keep up the awesome work y'all!
It is absolutely awesome that you are featuring Premodern here! It is a great format and I love it! But it would be nice if we could get a Matchup that contains a little bit more "game" next time. Replenish might be the least fun deck in the format and Goblins have usually no game against it.....
This is the era I started Magic with (though I stopped for a little bit after Urza block and got back in around the end), good to see a reminder of how much my decks sucked compared to actually-good ones, even back then.
This was great, i've been enjoying the Premodern stuff on Mengu's channel so it's nice to see him being a champion for the format on the CM channel :D These videos you guys do are my favourite - just cool players playing cool decks in a 1v1 competitive enviroment.
This is for sure my favourite MTG channel (Sorry, Professor...), you guys are always doing what I want to be doing, but can't lol. Keep up the good work!
I certainly agree. This channel has all the good things that you would want: Great variety, top notch editing, it is extremely easy to see what is going on in games and lastly and most importantly, it has tons of great humor and likeable personalities running the show and as guests.
Fantastic video! Another banger with Thoralf and Andrea!.. but I gotta say, I've never been more sold on not touching a format. That wasn't just ruthless, it looked like a really bad time. But besides what actually went down in-game, it was great!
I agree with you that these two games didn’t look particularly fun (despite thoralf & mengu trying to make it look fun), but it took some very specific draws (4 chill, lol) to make it that way. I have some experience with Premodern, and would not call these games particularly representative of the average game I played.
Fantastic exhibition here! A lot of newer players have no idea about how crazy premodern was. You lose access to some serious power creep from modern, but look at the incredible board states and combos you could pull off!
The absolute luck of hitting all 4 of your sideboard cards is insane. Like he hadn't even really drawn that many cards. The magic gods choose him to win that game lol.
This was old Magic I played back in the days! Loved the World Championship Decks back then and played the heck out of it. And Opalesence was one of my favourites. So friggin strong! :-D
Great format, great combo and as always very nicely explained. However the cool outro music nad some final words were missing, love to see and hear those :)
Great game! I can pretty much always count on this channel having some of the best matches I've seen in awhile--specifically due to your lack of hesitation to play old cards. These eras of cards and card design that Wizards has pretty much abandoned remains the reason why I don't quit the hobby entirely by selling all my cards. Magic still feels fun if you cut out all the recent printings.
I started playing Magic in this "premodern" era so it's really nice for me to see again all these familiar cards (I had a similar goblin deck that all my friends at school used to hate haha) 🤣
That is my kind of deck, Opalescence is one of my favourite cards! I have no idea why I don't have Parallax Wave in my enchantment deck though, definitely changing that right now!...I'm sure my friends will approve...
11:47 Pedantic question: what determines the order of the Goblin Warchief and Chill cost effects? Because if the Warchief effect applied first, it couldn't reduce the cost (no colorless to reduce it by, so costs (R) before and after), and then the Chill would make it cost (2)(R), so three total, not two like they played it. So can you choose the order of cost-modification effects, or is the order fixed and was in Thoralf's advantage here?
I get why the combo works, and understand its not in modern, but I still think its a dumb combo. Its clever, I'm not hating on it, but its one of those things that just makes you roll your eyes. No hate on Andrea, or this channel, or magic, I love all of it. Just that card interaction is so nasty.
7 Mana Goblin Chief? They weren't kidding about creatures being worse in the old days! ;) Fun video! Good of Thoralf to take the dive to keep Andrea coming back, haha! I'm torn, because I love seeing Goblins getting beat up, but man that combo....
you know I had the best premodern deck... Land Tax, Seismic Assault combo. Undiscovered Paradise is great hehe. Birds, City, Lumberjack, Cinder Wall. 2 copy fireball/planar birth sideboard
At 11:47, Thoralf casts his Skirk Prospector for 2 mana because its taxed by Andrea's Chill and discounted by his Goblin Warchief. However, I would instinctively think that it still costs 3 mana because i would apply the discount first as it is under his control and the the tax. Can you actaully choose the order of the cost modifications or is it opponent first (or maybe always tax first)?
That sounds like the Faceless Butcher/Astral Slide Combo, when you cycle a card with Astral Slide on the board you target your own faceless butcher to remove it from the game and the creature removed with Faceless Butcher does not return to the board and you can continue to do this each time you cycle a card.
so the parallax wave loop only works because it says " return each CARD to play" instead of just saying return each creature to play, otherwise parallax wave itself would not return after exiling itself... am I right ?
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Parallax replenish combo is the ultimate "play this new format with me, its fun... For me"
The 4th replenish was insane 😂
combo;d Replenish with Saproling Burst/Pandemonium combo it was fun... For me lol
This is why mtg players despise land removal decks.
Yeah honestly I was excited about the format and then immediately went "Ah so this is how it is huh"
as much as i love that they show different formats this was not a well choosen match up. I mean a fair creature beatdown deck with one unfair card(goblin lackey) vs. a combo control deck, with mass removal, land destruction, instant tutors and sol ring lands yeah sounds fun. And the fact that the goblin deck had 10 sideboard cards vs. 4 and the 4 where miles better because chill is busted like hell) then the 10...def not the best promotion for this format imo.
The ending having no music made me feel like I'd fallen into a parallel world somehow
A parallax world...
I’ve been there since the day the deck came out
Premodern Hypeeee!!! I'll play a Premodern tournament this weekend in Bologna. Hopefully I'll draw as well as I did against Thoralf ! :D
Such a fun format! Is there a very stable meta lr does it have space for homebrew? I'm interested in playing a less powercreep format rn and premodern seems perfect. Thanks a lot and good luck in the tournament!
@@54regas tier 1 decks are stable but the meta is slowly moving constantly. Current best decks are something like:
Dreadnought
Elves
Goblins
Burn
Replenish
Oath
BW control
Many other decks can win. Stasis, Survival variations, mono b control, Pit-Rack, the Rock, UW control, uw White weenie, Enchantress,...
Other decks excel in the right meta. Bratpack example maybe RW Rifter.
And new decks and variations are still made. BW control for example is a recent development of Dead Guy Ale.
Pre-Modern with Andrea Mengucci, this is already awesome and I haven't even watched yet. Just making a comment and watching later for sure. Can't wait!
EDIT:
Okay, the video was fun. The match wasn't as close I had hoped but that is just these decks having a werid matchup I guess. The opalenscence deck seems extremely strong, having tutors, mana acceleration in the form of Ancient Tomb and City of Traitors. (and a bit of Frantic searching sprinkled in)
Without one of the most broken sideboard cards though, game 2 would have been much tougher. I think Pre-modern as a format still needs quite a bit of tweaking, as it seems swarmed with combo decks, looking at the metagame. Still, I love having this format around and it will probably evolve into something really fun, playing with the nostalgic cards that some of us grew up with and love.
Agreed
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@@strangemolars Well, judging from the only source I have, which is the official Pre-Modern website, they feature 17 decks of which 7 of them are clear combo decks (over 40% of the meta represented)
The 'aggro' decks are only 3 decks, 2 of them being goblins and elves, which operate more like combo decks at times as well. This opalescence deck isn't even in the list and I've seen several Intuition based combo decks that aren't on there as well. I didn't even count the reanimator deck as a combo deck, which it technically is.
If you really know for certain this format is not for a large part combo based, point to some evidence or share your knowledge here.
I see a format that is still very early in it's infancy and has a ton of broken things and no Force of Will to keep it in check. That is not necessarily a bad thing, but it is a reality judging from the information at my disposal.
@@pinobluevogel6458 The entire internet is at your disposal, and the information you need is the second link if you type "premodern" in google, instead of only looking at the first link. Might be easier to click an extra link than type a textwall. Just go on MTGDecks in the Premodern part. Actual tournament data, actual second link on google.
(Prehemptively "stiflenough is not a combo deck" post)
compliments to the editor, that Set Graphic at the beggining was masterful
thank you very much (editor fele here) though I have to give cudos to Carl, who's idea it was.
@@CardmarketMagic Rishadan Goblin was very clever as well
Most Italian pair of glasses I've ever seen
Great to see Premodern get some love. It's a super fun and diverse format and I recommend it to anyone who's looking for a semi-casual 60 card format. Especially if you played MtG back in the late 90s/early 00s.
Any opinion on how solved the format is? Seems like a format with no rotation or additions would stay pretty stagnant
@@jackl8025 honestly, its pretty much solved yes, but its still an incredibly fun format!
@@jackl8025 Some decks stay on top, but i'd say the meta game has been constantly evolving over the year i played it.
Usually with new top dogs coming in, and other decks to counter the topdog!
There's also lots of people playing it with a bit of fun in mind.
Even in competitive tournaments people bring all sorts of decks!
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I love videos of playing semi competive or competitive games, it is really refreshing to see high quality videos of this type
Never seen any premodern games so almost all the cards are entirely unfamiliar, very fun video!
This is why I love this channel!!! So much variety in the content you guys make and you absolutely crush each video!!! Well done!
I'm always excited to see Andrea on here and very happy Mengu's workshop is up and running.
It was fun seeing how dejected Toffel got by the end of it. Keep up the awesome work y'all!
The last time I clicked on one of your videos so quickly was the finale of the Best Modern Deck Ever tournament. I love Premodern
Pre-Modern seems fun! Every video that Andrea puts out on this format is wild and seeing you guys play in this channel will be awesome!
Best format Magic has to offer. Awesome that Cardmarket is showcasing it! Also 10k+ views in 2 hours is impressive!
It is absolutely awesome that you are featuring Premodern here! It is a great format and I love it!
But it would be nice if we could get a Matchup that contains a little bit more "game" next time.
Replenish might be the least fun deck in the format and Goblins have usually no game against it.....
This is the era I started Magic with (though I stopped for a little bit after Urza block and got back in around the end), good to see a reminder of how much my decks sucked compared to actually-good ones, even back then.
I can't wait until we get Post-Modern
Didn't he buy the One Ring?
This was great, i've been enjoying the Premodern stuff on Mengu's channel so it's nice to see him being a champion for the format on the CM channel :D These videos you guys do are my favourite - just cool players playing cool decks in a 1v1 competitive enviroment.
This is for sure my favourite MTG channel (Sorry, Professor...), you guys are always doing what I want to be doing, but can't lol.
Keep up the good work!
Many Magic the Gathering fans ask, does having the most upbeat Magic the Gathering channel make Cardmarket the best?
Yes.
I certainly agree. This channel has all the good things that you would want: Great variety, top notch editing, it is extremely easy to see what is going on in games and lastly and most importantly, it has tons of great humor and likeable personalities running the show and as guests.
@@user-xk5fs1zu3m I know he doesn't make great content, but he often is right about sets being horrible :P
Fantastic video! Another banger with Thoralf and Andrea!.. but I gotta say, I've never been more sold on not touching a format. That wasn't just ruthless, it looked like a really bad time. But besides what actually went down in-game, it was great!
I agree with you that these two games didn’t look particularly fun (despite thoralf & mengu trying to make it look fun), but it took some very specific draws (4 chill, lol) to make it that way. I have some experience with Premodern, and would not call these games particularly representative of the average game I played.
Always love the 1v1 videos guys, quality has been so so good.
Fantastic exhibition here! A lot of newer players have no idea about how crazy premodern was. You lose access to some serious power creep from modern, but look at the incredible board states and combos you could pull off!
Nobody:
The ''too much social friend'' I bring to my LGS for the first time: 0:00
Grande Mengu. Definitely want more Premodern on the channel
I love the retro frame on your hand cards display. Please use it more
They did it because its pre modern
To anyone looking to try this format, you can play with new frame cards, as well as gold bordered cards!
@@XsumerianX Yeah, I know. I'm just saying I love it, and want it more often.
I'm so happy to see more premodern content, such an amazing format
So glad Mengu convinced you guys to try my favorite format! Such a fun video!
so stoked to see you guys and mengu playing my favourite format!
Premodern!!!!! I love it when you guys bring in the older formats.
Andrea Mengucci and the Cardmarket team combination is just soooo goood (macht weiter so!)
I would not shake the hand of the person who came up with that deck
The absolute luck of hitting all 4 of your sideboard cards is insane. Like he hadn't even really drawn that many cards. The magic gods choose him to win that game lol.
This was old Magic I played back in the days! Loved the World Championship Decks back then and played the heck out of it. And Opalesence was one of my favourites. So friggin strong! :-D
Niceee video!!! More premodern content please!! Awesome!
Loved seeing this on Andrea's channel and glad he got you guys to play
Mengu, the chillest man in Magic
Thoralf and Mengucci absolute best combination and with a format I’ve never seen before. Amazing video
More of it! But next time a deck that doesnt say "Premodern is fun...but just for me"
heck yes, premodern is amazing!! more of that!
Yes, premodern!!!! Great format to play more.
This looks like a very fun, powerful format. I will need to convince my play group to get into it
This was fun to watch! Haven’t tried premodern, but it looks interesting!
Mengu! I love this guy. Bring him back every week!
Woo, that's basically the extended format when i started playing :D
Would like to see some decks with "Finkel" , Spiritmonger, Mercs/Rebels from MM .
I had no idea this format existed but it looks like a lot of fun! Lots of cards that otherwise don't see a lot of play
Whoa I wasn’t even this early to my own birth
Great matchup to showcase, and great job explaining the extremely rules/interaction heavy replenish deck!
Guys, I really loved your parody of master chef where you brewed decks with mandatory "ingredients." PLEASE do a sequel
PREMODERN ON CARDMARKET? Hell yes.
A great thing about premodern is it's all hand-painted art.
Premodern is far and away the best format in Magic. Definitely need more of this content.
Carl only appeared for 2 seconds in this video :(
At least we had Andrea :)
Great video!
I laughed it loud in real life when I heard "rishadan goblin". You get a thumbs up.
Great format, great combo and as always very nicely explained.
However the cool outro music nad some final words were missing, love to see and hear those :)
Great game! I can pretty much always count on this channel having some of the best matches I've seen in awhile--specifically due to your lack of hesitation to play old cards. These eras of cards and card design that Wizards has pretty much abandoned remains the reason why I don't quit the hobby entirely by selling all my cards. Magic still feels fun if you cut out all the recent printings.
Love the old school tap @10:31 You just don't see 45 degree taps anymore these days
I started playing Magic in this "premodern" era so it's really nice for me to see again all these familiar cards (I had a similar goblin deck that all my friends at school used to hate haha) 🤣
Premodern is fun!! *proceeds to play Parallax Replenish*
5:50, i used to do this all the time with tidehollow sculler, which i think was just before they changed the way they print that type of ability
That is my kind of deck, Opalescence is one of my favourite cards! I have no idea why I don't have Parallax Wave in my enchantment deck though, definitely changing that right now!...I'm sure my friends will approve...
I want to see more of this format with the cardmarket team doing a king of the hill, like with the unlimited amount of cards in deck video
YESSSSS! I love Premodern! This is the best format
11:47 Pedantic question: what determines the order of the Goblin Warchief and Chill cost effects? Because if the Warchief effect applied first, it couldn't reduce the cost (no colorless to reduce it by, so costs (R) before and after), and then the Chill would make it cost (2)(R), so three total, not two like they played it. So can you choose the order of cost-modification effects, or is the order fixed and was in Thoralf's advantage here?
This was pretty freaking cool
I'm imagining Patrick Sullivan cackling or groaning at those Chills haha
"This cool new format called pre-modern, it's like modern but before they ruined it."
The parallax wave combo is one I've never quite gotten my head around.
I recognize that it works, but not quite why it does :D
Do more of this stuff. It’s awesome
I get why the combo works, and understand its not in modern, but I still think its a dumb combo. Its clever, I'm not hating on it, but its one of those things that just makes you roll your eyes.
No hate on Andrea, or this channel, or magic, I love all of it. Just that card interaction is so nasty.
stuff like this is why the wording on cards with similar effects was changed. newer cards don't allow this sort of trickery
Played it in commander once, felt bad about it.
Yeah kinda sucked all the energy out of the games when it came down lol oh well at least they're both charismatic enough to keep it entertaining.
@@MrPiotrVthat’s not true, skyclave apparition had a similar interaction if it got destroyed before the exile effect resolved
@@theowl1735 yes, it is true. skyclave apparition is different because it doesn't return the thing that was exiled :)
I like the retro border style of the cards in hand. Very on flavor.
I would like to see more pre-modern and vintage gameplay. Thanks for everything
Vintage might be hard, but we'll likely be doing premodern again :)
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7 Mana Goblin Chief? They weren't kidding about creatures being worse in the old days! ;)
Fun video! Good of Thoralf to take the dive to keep Andrea coming back, haha! I'm torn, because I love seeing Goblins getting beat up, but man that combo....
Love the format is great !
Premodern is such a cool format! Hope to see more soon. I wonder if there are any premodern Elf decks that can keep up?
That intro was so well done. I genuinely can't tell if the reactions to him sitting on the table are staged or not 😂
Andrea getting all the chills, that was hilarious
you know I had the best premodern deck... Land Tax, Seismic Assault combo. Undiscovered Paradise is great hehe. Birds, City, Lumberjack, Cinder Wall. 2 copy fireball/planar birth sideboard
Land Tax is banned now. Lumberjack is a hilarious card, I love seeing it in play.
At 11:47, Thoralf casts his Skirk Prospector for 2 mana because its taxed by Andrea's Chill and discounted by his Goblin Warchief. However, I would instinctively think that it still costs 3 mana because i would apply the discount first as it is under his control and the the tax.
Can you actaully choose the order of the cost modifications or is it opponent first (or maybe always tax first)?
That sounds like the Faceless Butcher/Astral Slide Combo, when you cycle a card with Astral Slide on the board you target your own faceless butcher to remove it from the game and the creature removed with Faceless Butcher does not return to the board and you can continue to do this each time you cycle a card.
This is the first Ive heard of Parallax Replenish and I adore this deck
Damn what a cool deck! Must be such a pain to play against but looks like a ton of fun
"Control decks need to consider what threats to respond to."
Parallax: Lol no, everything you have is gone.
I use parallax wave combo in my Tayam enchantress commander deck, it’s cool to see it in another format
i swear goblins and elves are just the decks you'll see in like every format
Love me some premodern! Such a cool format.
it's awesome that CMK is showing off this amazing format, but i would have shown some more popular decks like the rock or stiflenaught!
Second time that i have a heartstone advertise before a Cardmarket Video 😮
Andrea is such a chill guy
That control deck is pure evil 😂
Parallax and opal is a great combo! I did a video in it. Great to see it in action! 👍
It's simple. I see Mengu, I click like
This format is so good!
Very nice! Can you please post the decklists?
deck lists are now in the description and the pinned comment!
I see a new cardmarket video, I love It.
I see It got thoralf, it Will be a very good video I love It.
I see Andrea. AAAAAAAAAAAAH LETSGO
0:58 idk if it's just on mine but Thor's hands blacked my screen for a second here lol, maybe overdid my ram :0
Thanks Mengu! Love premodern
so the parallax wave loop only works because it says " return each CARD to play" instead of just saying return each creature to play, otherwise parallax wave itself would not return after exiling itself... am I right ?
Replying so your comment hopefully gets answered (does my reply actually have an effect on that?).