Had a regular SATA SSD as a boot drive, now I have an M.2 NVMe SSD and even thought it's nearly 4x as fast, I can't really notice a difference in day to day tasks :/
Hmm, I noticed a big difference. Is your nvme on an m.2 ultra or just a regular m.2? M.2 ultra is required for the fast pcie gen. 3 x4 connection. Otherwise you're basically connected with a standard sata connection.
Also, did you install any proprietary drivers? I know Samsung needs them for the fast speeds. I went from 4 SSDs in a RAID 0 config to a Samsung 960 2tb pro on m.2 ultra, and my computer start up times are much faster, like 5-10 sec. And programs start and load a lot faster. I don't even have time to read loading screen tips before it's done loading. Often even the loading screen animations don't have time to finish before it's done.
I wasn't blown away by the speed of my 960 PRO. I hardly noticed the difference with a Haswell system with Toshiba Sata SSD I built for somebody years ago (I've been mainly on laptops in the mean time). It is great for video conversion (at least it doesn't bottleneck it) and transferring those files to a dual hard drive Raid 0 array but in day to day tasks I didn't really notice a difference.
@Stasss Path of Exile is literally unplayable on HDD without certain command that significantly prolongs loading times and makes the game stutter like crazy.
Exactly. I even buy them used because idiots with more money than sense swap to NVMe and then sell their TB sized SATA drives cheap, becuz sp33dz in their counter strike rig...
@@DaveLestrade I use Kingston A400 drives. Durability isn't their strong point, but they are cheap. For a game drive, they are perfect, as you probably don't delete and install games too often. (Writing operations burn out SSDs, if you just read data from them, they last forever*)
just got a 1tb 860 evo from a 240gb pny "xlr8" cheap is not always best, controller died and lost all the data( 5 years old tho). 1 tb is sooooo much better defenatly capacity over performance for typical use. A good ssd is much cheaper than it was a few years ago maybe even half the price on average.
Use sysinternals process explorer(it's an optional tool from microsoft) It's advantage is that it can show GPU stats too and actual memory used vs memory commited
I remember buying one of the first SSDs from OCZ when they came out. I installed a clean version of Windows and booted it for the first time. So fast. I remember thinking "this SSD is black magic".
Just take a look at those super cheap SSDs on aliexpress like Goldenfir models. They can be awfully slow. Or take a look at that 32 or 64 GB one that Randomgaminginhd tested. Not unusable, but the speed was about the same as a fast HDD
Any decent SATA SSD is fast enough.... stop pretending it's not... The jump from HDD to SATA SSD cannot be replicated from SATA SSD to anything else even PCI-E 4.0 SSDs. Going SATA SSD from HDD you may save up to 2 minutes on the worst loading screens... Going PCI-E 4.0 from SATA SSD you save up to 15 seconds at most...
This is why I tell people to only use a SSD as a boot drive as for the bulk of applications a 7200 rpm HDD is good enough both in price and in capacity. When you can get SSD's in the 4tb+ range for under $400 and expect them to have 5+ years of Read/Writes without failure then the upgrade might be worth while.
Hybris51129 Definitely! Although SSDs are getting a lot cheaper now. You could buy a 1 TB drive for under 400 and those who don’t mind using multiple smaller drives, like two, 500 GB drives, depending on where you find them and for what price, they can be found for even less than a one TB single drive.
@@Hybris51129 Well 2 minutes on load screens are significant imo so Sata SSD's are worth it to store games on but NVMe drives aren't in gaming and questionable as a boot drive. They are pretty useful in tiered storage with many hard drives but that isn't a likely concept for the average consumer.
Exactly, i have never saw 100% usage on my samsung 860evo sata ssd. Except when i booting windows. A lot of cpu's even the decent ones will bottleneck to decrypt files at pci speeds. Pci ssds are only useful when you move large files through other pci ssds.
Don't even bother with m.2 ssds just get a more storage sata cause it has more cache to load stuff faster and not many people have professional workloads at all so unless you are Linus DONT bother.
Finally someone says it! Higher end SSDs will not really help with loading time in games as bottleneck is somewhere else! But even with good understanding of what's going on I still dont understand how to really improve game loading times.. even throwing very good hardware does not seems to help nowadays... is total RAM caching time from IO the key part? Because I dont see CPUs spike above 70% while unpacking textures and so on.. (even on a single core) Would be glad to have Anthony shows some bench with crazy hardware!
I noticed that it depends on the game, killing floor 2 for example took forever to start and load, then I slapped it onto my 970 evo plus and it starts up in what feels like a quarter of the time, same thing with Arma 3.
It's like copying 10gb of data, you have one single 10gb file it goes at max speed and finishes copying in a few minutes, you also have 10gb of really tiny files and that's a few million files that need to be copied and bam it slows down and takes forever to copy. Same thing for reading and loading games, the more files the slower they will go. Even with no bottlenecks anywhere else including the SSD it will always take longer.
Most game loading times are cpu limited (quite rare a nvme will improve game loading times if it does its between 0 and 5 seconds, compared to a hdd can sometimes be over 60 seconds longer )
@@r4z0r84 nope your confusing cpu/how windows deals with copying small files with storage Ssds are all ways faster at any task a hdd can do (not sure where your getting that backwards hdd is faster then ssd from) Game loading times are cpu limited once you get a ssd
@@leexgx I think you've just misunderstood my analogy, loading some games will always take longer than others on the single 10gb file they will be close in load times, on the millions of files the overall speed of both become extremely noticeable and your HDD will take years to load over an SSD. It's all about those iops ;)
For a normal user that just do some editing and gaming... you really don't need to think much at all. The SSD I use in my secondary PC is just the lowest of low price SSDs(WD Green) and it has been perfect for a year now.
recently built a school desktop computer for a friend, put a really old used Samsung 750 pro 250gb in there and even after installing all the shit she needed on there it booted faster than my 3500mb/s m.2 ssd -.-
@@Half_Finis Yeah exactly. It will definitely matter in the future but as of right now high speed storage doesn't have a lot of uses for a normal user.
My desktop gaming rig from 2015 went from just a 500GB Toshiba HDD to recently having a main SSD drive, SanDisk SSD Plus (same as WD Green) and it went faster than ever. I wanted to turn it into a decent gaming/4K video editing machine again. Can't compare the boot time between this and my new Lenovo laptop with a OEM-issued Samsung PM981 NVMe SSD but the Samsung SSD is kinda faster than the SanDisk one according to CyrstalDiskMark.
This makes a lot of sense. I've had a few SATA SSD perform poorly with video editing. But, a good quality drive usually handles this. Good bit of information Linus and team.
IOPS generally matter more than sequential read & write speeds, for most people. For those copying & pasting large files back and forth all day, the second one matters more. Don't get DRAMless SSDs. Don't get drives with QLC cache.
They do speed loading times up quite a lot. On 'Witcher 3' those loading screen go down from minutes to seconds. I suppose it depends how impatient you are really.
I've only got a 1tb 860 Evo as my system drive and a 240gb ssd in a external enclosure I move between computers. The other 11tb on my machine is all mechanical drives. Even with "cheap" SSDs your paying $199+ for for 2tbs (for a brand I'd actually trust). For that same price I can't could get 4 2tb wd blues. When it comes to mass storage hardrives are just cheaper. Love to replace all mine with SSDs, no moving part to die, but cost to damn much.
go buy a 120gb ssd and use it as a boot drive. ive done that on my desktop and the usability difference made me buy a 480gb ssd for my laptop that had a 640gb hard drive in it. day and night difference
Small addition to the "your money might be better spent on something else" part: this is even true for file system performance, as free RAM will be used as a FS cache. So for many workloads, spending money on memory headroom means more in terms of effective read/write speeds than a faster SSD does.
Got that Kingston a400 that you put up in the beginning. 480GB for like 55 bucks. I can't believe I'm using the same laptop! My next PC build will definitely have an NVMe drive on it!
I need that good 3200 MB/s transfer speed guys. Each project I work on runs into multiple GBs of data and I spend a lot of time just transferring/moving files. Otherwise, like you say, they're just synthetic benchmarks that mean nothing in the real world!
I am a retrogamer, play on Amiga and PentiumIII conputer and make videoes, BUT my main PC is a few years old DELL i7 3770 PC. Use it to edit videoes and play Civ V. After a SSD review on this channel i replaced the build in 640GB HD to a Kingston400 960GD SSD and O M G what a speed improvement!!! Its crazy, feels like a brand new PC now, alone the start up is in a matter of few seconds👍🏻👍🏻 Love this YT channel, keep up the good work
The way I see it, the bottom line is make sure your SSD drive has it's own DRAM, those cheap Kingston SSD's without DRAM suck in comparison to a more expensive drive with DRAM.
NVMe for your OS and most used apps/games. A SATA SSD for your game library and a regular HDD for your Movies, series , music or anime. Is that NVMe SSD sorta overkill for my usecase? Yes.. yes it is. But it also ensures that I will never really have to worry about it, just one less potential bottleneck. Which was worth the money, at least for me.
As someone who has an NVME SSD (and previously used sata ssd's as well) I actually feel like the performance uplift in terms of loading times got noticeably better, and turn time waiting in games like Civ 6 and Total War were lowered as well. Of course, I didn't actually benchmark these results so maybe it's placebo effect XD
I can appreciate the level of 'sanity' with this SSD vid. All too often I've been ridiculed for why I went with what some considered a 'slower' drive for what they would use it for with no grasp of why I chose the drive I did for my application. Great vid Linus and crew. B)
Linus, Great info. I love all your videos. You and your guys are the best. You have an awesome setup and love your whole setup and ideas. You are the man.
Then you have me, who was affraid of my SSD breaking too quickly so I bought a Samsung 970 Pro. That's 3.5/2.7 Gbps sequential read/write, in other words: duplicating a 16 GB file takes about 10 seconds. I have it for a year and S.M.A.R.T. still says 0% lifespan used. I'm definitely reusing this when I get a new PC.
Yeah same, I have the 512GB one. But I actually noticed quicker booting and restarts. All my Windows Updates were more seamless. Excellent reliable drive, wish I got the 1TB tbh.
@@Phambleton I got a bluray burner in that PC and BD-Rs are really cheap so I can archive everything there. I also have a 3 TB hard disk to go with it so 512 GB is really enough for me.
@@Phambleton I use 25 GB BDs for €0,70 cents each and I am quite sure that it's okay to archive on it. 1 TB would make that €28, if I'm not stupid with my maths.
That's pretty good, what manufacturer did you get that from? I've had a look on Amazon and found a Verbatim 43812 25GB 6x BD-R SL pack of 50 for £29 or US$38, is that good enough for archiving?
Recently, the prices on NVME drives have been decreasing, to the point of near-parity with AHCI drives. Though it depends on the vendor. For example, the Patriot VPN100 is pretty comparable to the Samsung 970 EVO, yet it costs $100 and comes with a heatsink.
I did the math and purchasing a SSD would save someone (myself personally) 8 hours a year booting up my PC! It really pays for itself after awhile! I booted in 2 minutes before on an old HDD (2014) and now I boot in 58 seconds from my SSD (which I got in 2018). I tend to shut down my workstation every day and boot it up again in the morning depending on if it needs to process a task overnight and I have saved about half an hour month just in boot times!
@@bladerj lol. if some SSDs can be used as a storage with a RAM, without any data loss protection, it doesn't mean SSD are RAM memory in general. Wonder why my pendrives from many years still works flawlessly. My phone still works and NES cartridges still loading. Must be some hack.
I am a budget gamer, i bought a SanDisk plus SSD years ago, and although it was faster than a HDD it sucked, so i got a Kingston a400 SSD a year later, now this is much better than the SanDisk plus. and not only that it was cheaper on Amazon too. so yeah, that Kingston SSD is great for budget on old hardware.
Some games need SSD not for loading screens, but for loading the world/textures as you move and it does make a difference, specially with all these unoptimized games we are getting
Regarding gaming, one game I can say that _absolutely_ benefits _a lot_ from SSDs is Path of Exile. I'd practically list it as a minimum system requirement unless you like dying due to computer freezes, and the game constantly taking many minutes to load areas in a game where you're _CONSTANTLY_ changing areas.
I have both a SATA3 SSD that I use as my boot drive. I also have an NVME SSD that is claimed to be several times faster, which I use to store games. When I got the NVME drive I did have the thought to move the Windows install over from the SATA drive, but I just didn't want to go through the hassle. For Windows SATA is plenty fast enough.
Completely untrue. Delicious boot times with my 970 evo plus, like it's sexy af. Maybe it's a luxury, but I love a snappy and fast computer you don't have to wait for shit to happen
@@_BangDroid_ what are you talking about? put 2 system side by side one sata ssd another m.2. you will hardly see any difference if only thing you do is gaming and web browsing
@@tahsin8296 you misunderstand, I need it because it's a laptop, not a PC, so there's no other space. By unnecessary I meant that I went for NVMe, and an exaggerated amount of excess capacity for a boot and game drive...
I do both, heavy duty workload and random access. In that regard my 970 Evo does extremely well. But for data storage and games, I still keep my WD Blue HDD for reliability and endurance (which is one of the cons in SSDs).
[Linus = cookies] confirmed, looking for a school laptop > affordable laptop videos that same day, comparing my m2 to see if i need an upgrade > (you get it)
at least in my experience, even cacheless drives are usually more than good enough as long as they're MLC-based. I have a mushkin eco2 that still works great... apart from the fact that it'll kill itself if my machine ever goes into hibernate mode (thankfully the manufacturer replaced it at no cost when that happened)
look man I paid 20 bucks for my ssd and it boots windows better than my old HDD so it's good enough
no you
any ssd wil be batter than hd
real cartoon girl false, dramless SATA SSDs will be worse in some cases.
Ya that's what finally matters 🤣🤣
@@ICCUWANSIUT but still.. better than hdd
Linus: is your storage large enough?
Also Linus: is your ssd fast enough?
Me: am I rich enough?
I can only choose one from speed, size, and reliability. I can’t afford it all
Sam Gaming you can look at the Samsung 960 QVO. They are cheap, have big spaces, but they have have the lifespan of the 960 EVO
Linus: No
all you need is RGB :)
@@knut131 lghdtv ssd
I've got a bunch of 3.5 inch floppy disks. Couldn't I just hook these up in raid?
Most people watching this video wont know what a floppy disk is.
@Johnathan Battaglia Ya... were just that old... lol
Nope, people still know what a floppy disk is. Like, you're not that old, for gods sake.
Hahaha 3.5inch floppy, don't know what raid is but viagra should do the trick..........
Just kidding just incase anyone comes at me for a joke🤣🤣🤣
Had a regular SATA SSD as a boot drive, now I have an M.2 NVMe SSD and even thought it's nearly 4x as fast, I can't really notice a difference in day to day tasks :/
Hmm, I noticed a big difference. Is your nvme on an m.2 ultra or just a regular m.2? M.2 ultra is required for the fast pcie gen. 3 x4 connection. Otherwise you're basically connected with a standard sata connection.
Also, did you install any proprietary drivers? I know Samsung needs them for the fast speeds. I went from 4 SSDs in a RAID 0 config to a Samsung 960 2tb pro on m.2 ultra, and my computer start up times are much faster, like 5-10 sec. And programs start and load a lot faster. I don't even have time to read loading screen tips before it's done loading. Often even the loading screen animations don't have time to finish before it's done.
I wasn't blown away by the speed of my 960 PRO. I hardly noticed the difference with a Haswell system with Toshiba Sata SSD I built for somebody years ago (I've been mainly on laptops in the mean time). It is great for video conversion (at least it doesn't bottleneck it) and transferring those files to a dual hard drive Raid 0 array but in day to day tasks I didn't really notice a difference.
Mind you, Brian does CrystalDisk for living
I noticed a difference too. Loading Linux took about 5 sec with my WD Black vs more than 10 with previous SATA.
Me an OCD person: Ok, alright. I have the perfect build, nothing to worry about.
Linus: is your SSD fast enough?
Me: F.
Make sure you get an SLC 3D NAND SSD, man.
My new system has a pair of 500gb Samsung 970 evo plus driver in raid 0
damn, that's slow, get an optane disk as your main SSD
What’s OCD? xd
Don't sweat it man, save your money
SSDs are fast, but Techquickie commenters are 10 times* faster!
*Speed varies.
@@adamagustus1316 Huh?
Gotta go fast
@@adamagustus1316 Why a water bottle, why cable ties? My dude, you aren't making any sense.
@Hamete What was the point of your comment?
@@soju69jinro He's trolling. Obviously
title : is your SSD fast enough?
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*_HDD users_* : No, i don't think So.
SSDs are so cheap nowdays that having a 250 gig one just for your windows is a standard now.
Floppy Drive: k
i have a hdd ;-;
@Stasss Path of Exile is literally unplayable on HDD without certain command that significantly prolongs loading times and makes the game stutter like crazy.
Huh losers
Pretty much any half descent SSD is going to be all you need.
"descent"
Exactly. I even buy them used because idiots with more money than sense swap to NVMe and then sell their TB sized SATA drives cheap, becuz sp33dz in their counter strike rig...
Some models recomendations?
@@DaveLestrade I use Kingston A400 drives. Durability isn't their strong point, but they are cheap. For a game drive, they are perfect, as you probably don't delete and install games too often. (Writing operations burn out SSDs, if you just read data from them, they last forever*)
just got a 1tb 860 evo from a 240gb pny "xlr8" cheap is not always best, controller died and lost all the data( 5 years old tho). 1 tb is sooooo much better defenatly capacity over performance for typical use. A good ssd is much cheaper than it was a few years ago maybe even half the price on average.
Can you make a video on debugging the bottlenecks as you mentioned in the video?
open task manager and look at performance, tho not perfect it should give you an idea if the problem is cpu, gpu, memory, disk or internet related
Use sysinternals process explorer(it's an optional tool from microsoft)
It's advantage is that it can show GPU stats too and actual memory used vs memory commited
GnauraI Win10 can show those too (I think with version 1809 🤔)
Cpu at 100%
Gpu 20%
Bottelneck
Ram 100% you need more ram
Just download some then
@@hotaru25189 I would say if you have more than 75% ram usage frequently you need more ram.
I remember buying one of the first SSDs from OCZ when they came out. I installed a clean version of Windows and booted it for the first time. So fast. I remember thinking "this SSD is black magic".
Is it an SSD?
If yes, it’s fast enough 👍
Unless it has QLC NAND and the SLC cache is full. Then it's slower than a hard drive.
CheapBastard1988 - maybe if you’re writing 10gb of stuff at once. For loading games and stuff, even a cheapo SSD beats a HDD.
Just take a look at those super cheap SSDs on aliexpress like Goldenfir models. They can be awfully slow. Or take a look at that 32 or 64 GB one that Randomgaminginhd tested. Not unusable, but the speed was about the same as a fast HDD
I heard some of the early ones were pretty slow
Not really
Is your ssd faster?
HDD users: I think we bypassed our barrier.
Losers
It's just a 3D printed save icon 🤣
For anything besides MS Paint? Yes
For MS Paint? No, no no
Bad
@@naufalr.9521 no one asked you
@@naufalr.9521 no one asked you
@l am a boi no one asked you
What do you think about Paint 3D?
You missed the LTT merch bump at the end with the rgb headphone stand. 😂😂
But RGB is more important
@@Mechjeb661 how's suzuha?
@@Mechjeb661 whats up with you and Kurisu these days?
Any decent SATA SSD is fast enough.... stop pretending it's not...
The jump from HDD to SATA SSD cannot be replicated from SATA SSD to anything else even PCI-E 4.0 SSDs.
Going SATA SSD from HDD you may save up to 2 minutes on the worst loading screens...
Going PCI-E 4.0 from SATA SSD you save up to 15 seconds at most...
This is why I tell people to only use a SSD as a boot drive as for the bulk of applications a 7200 rpm HDD is good enough both in price and in capacity. When you can get SSD's in the 4tb+ range for under $400 and expect them to have 5+ years of Read/Writes without failure then the upgrade might be worth while.
Hybris51129 Definitely! Although SSDs are getting a lot cheaper now. You could buy a 1 TB drive for under 400 and those who don’t mind using multiple smaller drives, like two, 500 GB drives, depending on where you find them and for what price, they can be found for even less than a one TB single drive.
@@Hybris51129 Well 2 minutes on load screens are significant imo so Sata SSD's are worth it to store games on but NVMe drives aren't in gaming and questionable as a boot drive. They are pretty useful in tiered storage with many hard drives but that isn't a likely concept for the average consumer.
Exactly, i have never saw 100% usage on my samsung 860evo sata ssd. Except when i booting windows. A lot of cpu's even the decent ones will bottleneck to decrypt files at pci speeds.
Pci ssds are only useful when you move large files through other pci ssds.
@@CheapBastard1988 I guess as a older gamer a 2 minute load time isn't that bad to me at least especially for your AAA titles.
Linus with SSD's (a poem):
One drive
Two drives
Red drive
Dead drive
Didn't *laugh*
@@jdmnissan you *what*
*laughing
I have killed.
I have helped kill.
I have killed part of my self.
I cannot change this, I
I must seek Buddha
I must seek Christ
Lol you think I care about speed?
I shop by display lowest price first thank you!
That timing... seriously I was just looking at SSD and which one to buy... good one Linus :D
me too. But I ordered one yesterdar.
Me 2 ...!!!!
Ande Yashwanth Ahh dammit!
Don't get the Samsung qvo they're cheap coz they only go fast for the first 48gb then go slower than a HDD after that much as bee written.
Don't even bother with m.2 ssds just get a more storage sata cause it has more cache to load stuff faster and not many people have professional workloads at all so unless you are Linus DONT bother.
"is my ssd fast enough ?"
i don't remember having an ssd.
Linus:Is your *SSD* fast enough?
*HDD users* : Well yes, but actually no.
Finally someone says it! Higher end SSDs will not really help with loading time in games as bottleneck is somewhere else!
But even with good understanding of what's going on I still dont understand how to really improve game loading times.. even throwing very good hardware does not seems to help nowadays... is total RAM caching time from IO the key part? Because I dont see CPUs spike above 70% while unpacking textures and so on.. (even on a single core)
Would be glad to have Anthony shows some bench with crazy hardware!
I noticed that it depends on the game, killing floor 2 for example took forever to start and load, then I slapped it onto my 970 evo plus and it starts up in what feels like a quarter of the time, same thing with Arma 3.
It's like copying 10gb of data, you have one single 10gb file it goes at max speed and finishes copying in a few minutes, you also have 10gb of really tiny files and that's a few million files that need to be copied and bam it slows down and takes forever to copy. Same thing for reading and loading games, the more files the slower they will go. Even with no bottlenecks anywhere else including the SSD it will always take longer.
Most game loading times are cpu limited (quite rare a nvme will improve game loading times if it does its between 0 and 5 seconds, compared to a hdd can sometimes be over 60 seconds longer )
@@r4z0r84 nope your confusing cpu/how windows deals with copying small files with storage
Ssds are all ways faster at any task a hdd can do (not sure where your getting that backwards hdd is faster then ssd from)
Game loading times are cpu limited once you get a ssd
@@leexgx I think you've just misunderstood my analogy, loading some games will always take longer than others on the single 10gb file they will be close in load times, on the millions of files the overall speed of both become extremely noticeable and your HDD will take years to load over an SSD. It's all about those iops ;)
For a normal user that just do some editing and gaming... you really don't need to think much at all. The SSD I use in my secondary PC is just the lowest of low price SSDs(WD Green) and it has been perfect for a year now.
recently built a school desktop computer for a friend, put a really old used Samsung 750 pro 250gb in there and even after installing all the shit she needed on there it booted faster than my 3500mb/s m.2 ssd -.-
@@Half_Finis Yeah exactly. It will definitely matter in the future but as of right now high speed storage doesn't have a lot of uses for a normal user.
I went with a WD Blue... should last 5+ years.
My desktop gaming rig from 2015 went from just a 500GB Toshiba HDD to recently having a main SSD drive, SanDisk SSD Plus (same as WD Green) and it went faster than ever. I wanted to turn it into a decent gaming/4K video editing machine again. Can't compare the boot time between this and my new Lenovo laptop with a OEM-issued Samsung PM981 NVMe SSD but the Samsung SSD is kinda faster than the SanDisk one according to CyrstalDiskMark.
you won't understand how much SSDs improve your computing experience unless you move back from SS to HDD and you notice how much frustrating it is
Me, with just a normal HHD: eh.
Huhhi
Yes my Asgard Dramless NVMe SSD got knocked out with less than 4TBW while it was fast with 1500/1500 MB/s speed.
This makes a lot of sense. I've had a few SATA SSD perform poorly with video editing. But, a good quality drive usually handles this. Good bit of information Linus and team.
Linus: Close to 3 gigabytes per second
AMD users: Hold my PCIe 4 SSD
TIK GT I can't wait!
@sausagemit yeah for sure the value is better in there. PCIe 4 ssd are hella expensive so might stick with this until it gets cheaper
IOPS generally matter more than sequential read & write speeds, for most people. For those copying & pasting large files back and forth all day, the second one matters more.
Don't get DRAMless SSDs.
Don't get drives with QLC cache.
All this talk about SSDs and I'm here with a Hard drive just fine
They do speed loading times up quite a lot. On 'Witcher 3' those loading screen go down from minutes to seconds. I suppose it depends how impatient you are really.
I've only got a 1tb 860 Evo as my system drive and a 240gb ssd in a external enclosure I move between computers. The other 11tb on my machine is all mechanical drives. Even with "cheap" SSDs your paying $199+ for for 2tbs (for a brand I'd actually trust). For that same price I can't could get 4 2tb wd blues. When it comes to mass storage hardrives are just cheaper. Love to replace all mine with SSDs, no moving part to die, but cost to damn much.
@@shepshepherd9410 It was always seconds on PC HDD 7200 ,How slow are console HDD? 5400?
go buy a 120gb ssd and use it as a boot drive. ive done that on my desktop and the usability difference made me buy a 480gb ssd for my laptop that had a 640gb hard drive in it. day and night difference
Small addition to the "your money might be better spent on something else" part: this is even true for file system performance, as free RAM will be used as a FS cache. So for many workloads, spending money on memory headroom means more in terms of effective read/write speeds than a faster SSD does.
Samsung 960 Pro 2TB :) I'm happy with it. (Though having WD Black 4TB as file storage)
jesus. im jelly.
This video is so calm, can't believe this is Linus
Got that Kingston a400 that you put up in the beginning. 480GB for like 55 bucks. I can't believe I'm using the same laptop!
My next PC build will definitely have an NVMe drive on it!
You will see absolutely no difference except for synthetic benchmarks. The OS is the bottleneck.
So you even watch the damn video or do you work with large files?
I need that good 3200 MB/s transfer speed guys. Each project I work on runs into multiple GBs of data and I spend a lot of time just transferring/moving files. Otherwise, like you say, they're just synthetic benchmarks that mean nothing in the real world!
I am a retrogamer, play on Amiga and PentiumIII conputer and make videoes, BUT my main PC is a few years old DELL i7 3770 PC. Use it to edit videoes and play Civ V.
After a SSD review on this channel i replaced the build in 640GB HD to a Kingston400 960GD SSD and O M G what a speed improvement!!! Its crazy, feels like a brand new PC now, alone the start up is in a matter of few seconds👍🏻👍🏻
Love this YT channel, keep up the good work
The way I see it, the bottom line is make sure your SSD drive has it's own DRAM, those cheap Kingston SSD's without DRAM suck in comparison to a more expensive drive with DRAM.
Loved the IOPS and QD being the first points
funny I was about to buy an ssd...
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Linus lives in area 51 confirmed
This is one of the best linus vids I ever saw. Congratulations.
Doesn’t matter the human eye can only smell 2mb/s of data anyways 🤔
Ye but I can see 256 KB with my nose
Ulla, is that a guy with a trident running up from behind you?
NVMe for your OS and most used apps/games. A SATA SSD for your game library and a regular HDD for your Movies, series , music or anime.
Is that NVMe SSD sorta overkill for my usecase? Yes.. yes it is. But it also ensures that I will never really have to worry about it, just one less potential bottleneck. Which was worth the money, at least for me.
In conlusion: adding RGB to your M2, SSD or HDD will make it x10 faster.
Yeah this is big brain time
My friends say no
Your e-peen is obviously very small.
As someone who has an NVME SSD (and previously used sata ssd's as well) I actually feel like the performance uplift in terms of loading times got noticeably better, and turn time waiting in games like Civ 6 and Total War were lowered as well. Of course, I didn't actually benchmark these results so maybe it's placebo effect XD
Most important thing to me is latency, that's why I cheaped out since I don't need write/read speeds, just SSD latency.
I can appreciate the level of 'sanity' with this SSD vid. All too often I've been ridiculed for why I went with what some considered a 'slower' drive for what they would use it for with no grasp of why I chose the drive I did for my application.
Great vid Linus and crew. B)
I wonder when games will really take advantage of nvme drives
SPOILER ALERT
they won't
they will in very very veryyyyyyyyyyyyy far future when they finally release star citizen lol
@@tahsin8296 nobody will use local drives in that future times
I installed Star Citizen on an Intel Optane 900P SSD. That drive is way overkill even for Star Citizen, lol.
When our operating systems have file systems built to do so....
linus reaching for his junk to scroll through the teleprompter is truly unnerving
Just was waiting for this !!!😁😁😁made my day thank you linus !
Is my SSD fast enough? I will ask my mechanical hard drive. Hey hard drive, is my SSD fast enough.
HDD: Wut? What SSD.
Me: precisely.
The 970 pro 1tb NVMe m.2 makes my fallout 4 game loading screen seem instant when on consoles it would take up to 2 or 3 minutes
pro/evo/plus variants and size?
Linus, Great info. I love all your videos. You and your guys are the best. You have an awesome setup and love your whole setup and ideas. You are the man.
DRAM cache is really important. What is alarming is that some NVME drives don't have one.
An "RGB HEADPHONE STAND", really important!
Then you have me, who was affraid of my SSD breaking too quickly so I bought a Samsung 970 Pro. That's 3.5/2.7 Gbps sequential read/write, in other words: duplicating a 16 GB file takes about 10 seconds. I have it for a year and S.M.A.R.T. still says 0% lifespan used.
I'm definitely reusing this when I get a new PC.
Yeah same, I have the 512GB one. But I actually noticed quicker booting and restarts. All my Windows Updates were more seamless. Excellent reliable drive, wish I got the 1TB tbh.
@@Phambleton I got a bluray burner in that PC and BD-Rs are really cheap so I can archive everything there. I also have a 3 TB hard disk to go with it so 512 GB is really enough for me.
Are BD-Rs safe to archive on? I also thought they were super expensive, what's the price for 1TB of BD-R?
@@Phambleton I use 25 GB BDs for €0,70 cents each and I am quite sure that it's okay to archive on it.
1 TB would make that €28, if I'm not stupid with my maths.
That's pretty good, what manufacturer did you get that from? I've had a look on Amazon and found a Verbatim 43812 25GB 6x BD-R SL pack of 50 for £29 or US$38, is that good enough for archiving?
Great video! Answers a question I've had for a long time
Recently, the prices on NVME drives have been decreasing, to the point of near-parity with AHCI drives. Though it depends on the vendor. For example, the Patriot VPN100 is pretty comparable to the Samsung 970 EVO, yet it costs $100 and comes with a heatsink.
TB samsung 970's are like 50. I got "ripped off" and got my 500gb 970 for 50 lol
This video helped a lot! Thanks Linus.
People usually buy SSD to increase OS boot speed
Programs also load much faster.
Google Chrome on HDD from 2005 = 80 seconds. Chrome on 860 Evo ~3 seconds.
This was really interesting and instructive.
Gotta love techquickie!
At this point selling a laptop with only a 1tb HHD should be considered a scam.
I did the math and purchasing a SSD would save someone (myself personally) 8 hours a year booting up my PC! It really pays for itself after awhile! I booted in 2 minutes before on an old HDD (2014) and now I boot in 58 seconds from my SSD (which I got in 2018). I tend to shut down my workstation every day and boot it up again in the morning depending on if it needs to process a task overnight and I have saved about half an hour month just in boot times!
It would be nice to have more in detail this TLC vs. QLC (like Samsung EVO vs. QVO) issue. I bet few know anything of it.
Great advice... something lacking these days from LTT!
I belive that my raid 0 nvmes are enough.
I agree with linus a rgb headset stand is the most important part of a gaming system
I finally upgraded to ssd this year and I can see the difference, I will never use my hdd as system boot drive.
Even when you're using outdated SATA3, difference between SSD and HDD is tremendous. Access times are things you can't compare.
Dont use ssd for important data or backup,they lose data after a while unpowered
@@bladerj are you high? It's not RAM.
@@override7486 SSD are ram.... Look It up the diference in SSD and you Will understand
@@bladerj lol. if some SSDs can be used as a storage with a RAM, without any data loss protection, it doesn't mean SSD are RAM memory in general. Wonder why my pendrives from many years still works flawlessly. My phone still works and NES cartridges still loading. Must be some hack.
I am a budget gamer, i bought a SanDisk plus SSD years ago, and although it was faster than a HDD it sucked, so i got a Kingston a400 SSD a year later, now this is much better than the SanDisk plus. and not only that it was cheaper on Amazon too. so yeah, that Kingston SSD is great for budget on old hardware.
For game loading times nvme isnt faster than ssd . I'd say nvme only as boot drive and for drivers and programs you use often
man, please, you have a family, go and give them your love
ssd?
i'm still in the hdd era
Great content
very informative
always look forward to next episode
YES
Bold of you to assume I have one in the first place.
Yes. SSD are faster compared to HDD. I don't care (can't distinguish) if SATA SSDs are 10 milli second faster than NVMe SSDs.
@Predator Ex Lol, he actually can't distinguish anyway
Some games need SSD not for loading screens, but for loading the world/textures as you move and it does make a difference, specially with all these unoptimized games we are getting
Wow, this just helped me from being shot in the foot ;-;
thanks Linus and everyone else ^-^
Linus: "You might see up to *three gigabytes per second!!!* "
Samsung: "Allow us to introduce ourselves"
Sick. I was literally just wondering about this stuff
Regarding gaming, one game I can say that _absolutely_ benefits _a lot_ from SSDs is Path of Exile.
I'd practically list it as a minimum system requirement unless you like dying due to computer freezes, and the game constantly taking many minutes to load areas in a game where you're _CONSTANTLY_ changing areas.
First of all, I need ssd for " is your SSD fast enough".
You can get one with your lunch money nowadays so there's no reason not to.
@@Kuraio 🤣
I have both a SATA3 SSD that I use as my boot drive. I also have an NVME SSD that is claimed to be several times faster, which I use to store games. When I got the NVME drive I did have the thought to move the Windows install over from the SATA drive, but I just didn't want to go through the hassle. For Windows SATA is plenty fast enough.
Same. I hv 860 evo as boot and nvne 970 evo plus 2tb as games drive
Is your 2080ti fast enough?
Has it RGB?
If yes, it is.
If not, throw it in the trash. It's basically a pile of shiny plastic
Wow, this is a fantastic overview of SSDs
Great, right after I ordered a completely unnecessary Samsung 970 evo
if you are not a content creator you dont need m.2 ssd
Completely untrue. Delicious boot times with my 970 evo plus, like it's sexy af.
Maybe it's a luxury, but I love a snappy and fast computer you don't have to wait for shit to happen
@@_BangDroid_ what are you talking about? put 2 system side by side one sata ssd another m.2. you will hardly see any difference if only thing you do is gaming and web browsing
@@tahsin8296 you misunderstand, I need it because it's a laptop, not a PC, so there's no other space. By unnecessary I meant that I went for NVMe, and an exaggerated amount of excess capacity for a boot and game drive...
Boot times def seem faster with nvme, maybe placebo. At any rate, Blender, Gimp and Resolve all much snappier with faster drives.
Is your ssd fast enough?
*Laughs in EMMC*
i dont understand. i need anthony to explain.
😂
Not that expensive SSD better than whatever HDD
This guy knows what he's taking about
Would love to see a techquickie on difference between variance in SSDs such as, SATA, M.2, PCI-E & NVMe
I do both, heavy duty workload and random access. In that regard my 970 Evo does extremely well. But for data storage and games, I still keep my WD Blue HDD for reliability and endurance (which is one of the cons in SSDs).
But is your RGB headphone stand RGB enough?
No. Nothing is ever RGB enough.
SSD for operating system and HDD for everything else. This makes a hundred times more sense than paying twice as much for half as much space.
id rather invest my cash into something thats really ganna make me better at games. like rgb lighting.
[Linus = cookies] confirmed, looking for a school laptop > affordable laptop videos that same day, comparing my m2 to see if i need an upgrade > (you get it)
Is that a real question? Is my SSD fast enough?
Lol, it probably is...
Just bought 860 EVO 500GB a few days ago and it’s blazing fast compared to my old SanDisk 128GB (actual full name) from 2012 so I am very happy
Unless you get a Samsung qvo and it runs slower than a HDD once it's turbo cache has been used aka any windows build upgrade rofl.
This was incredibly informative.
Such a disapointing video, I cant belive that you did this video and didn't have your HDD T-shirt on.
Finally a good TQ, information over "I am a funny guy" (which he is not). thank you Linus.
at least in my experience, even cacheless drives are usually more than good enough as long as they're MLC-based. I have a mushkin eco2 that still works great... apart from the fact that it'll kill itself if my machine ever goes into hibernate mode (thankfully the manufacturer replaced it at no cost when that happened)
But, "It's my HDD fast enough?"