Has the Percept 97 Evolved from the VCORE Pro?
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- Опубліковано 29 жов 2023
- Review of the 2023 Yonex Percept 97 (previously called VCORE Pro) endorsed by Stan Wawrinka, Francis Tiafoe and Hubi Hurkacz!
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I tried the 97 and loved it. The low swing weight just means the head flies through the air so far. I felt like I was wielding a scalpel on the court, but I wasn't lacking for power at all. This might just be a difference in swing type.
How was the spin?
@@ommpaloomplak53 the string bed doesn't hurt or help you, but it cuts through the air really fast which does help. It's not a spin racket but I got more spin than with say a Blade or a Head Speed than it for sure.
@@adriantanskanen3914 blade 18x20 and speed 18x20? or 16/19
Yeah, this stick shook my hitting partners. One said the ball was coming at them heavy. Another was wondering how heavy dipping spin was dipping at the baseline. Maybe I got a unicorn frame. Poly @ 50lbs. leather grip added. I'm a 13 UTR. ...and the sound off the strings is explosive.
I bought the Percept 97. I like to take big swings just like at the batting cage so its a good fit. When I demoed rackets with more power I was hitting out consistently. Felt like I had to hold back on swings which wasn't as much fun.
Vcore Pro 97H is a beautiful racquet - the plow through it provides is just unmatched. Loading up on a high slow forehand is huge - can't beat that feel
This video sounds so much different from all the praises on the internet, which is a good thing.
In my experience, power and control do tend to contradict each other. And good control does not show when you hit deep inside your comfort zone. It is good to have when you are late, mispositioned or else - when your swing is off balance.
I had my time with thin beam 18/20 racquets. They were as heavy as a brick (which my arm started to complain about at some point) or vastly underpowered when I was on the stretch myself.
Now at the age of 49, I am back to 16/19, lighter setup than before. And I tend to hold back a bit to not overshoot the ball. But now I can pull off some surprising counter shots out of the corner of the court, because the power is there. But clearly at the cost of some control, the eychange is exactly 1:1.
I own the Percept 97 and it's horrible whenever I have to fall back because my feet are too slow like you mentioned - zero power. When I can get there, I love the racquet. When I can't, I hate it.
I though its perfect base frame for customisation but one guy i know - ex national team player, top junior - recently switched to 310 Percept from Vcore.
I asked him about this racket and he said theres no need to ad weight. And we are talking about huge guy with huge game - serves above 130 mph. Looks like this new gen just like and know how hit with light frames
lets go hes back
97H is solid!
Better than strike vs?
Try the Regna 100 2022
295 grams. Best racket I have ever used.
Excellent video! I reviewed the Percept 100 and I felt the same way that you felt with the 97…not enough. My title is: copy and paste 😅 I hope they will release an evolution in less than two years but I don’t think so
Hey man! Sorry to change topics here, but how do you compare your old ET 360 to the new Auxetic Radical Mp?
The Rad is a lot more stable and offers easier power but spin is worse. Similar otherwise.
How would you compare the Percept 97 to the Vcore 95 in terms of spin, feel and control?
I’m using the Vcore 95.
I hit with topspin and one handed backhand.
The VCORE 95 gives more spin and launches the ball more predictably, but less connected and less ball pocketing than the 97
Beckett gettin WILD with the tennis descriptions…
I can’t disagree tho it does feel great to hit a winner dtl
What do you think about the 100d? could it meet expectations in terms of stability and power because of the thicker beam and wider stringbed (in addition to the increased stiffness)?
I wanted to review the 100D instead, but sadly, its not available in Canada so I won't be trying it
@@TennCom thanks for the reply, i tried it last night for only one hour on clay...in my opinion it is a great combination of control and precision (finally a 100in with precision) without sacrificing a good dose of power! stability seemed ok to me, but I only practiced (no match) and I didn't try it on the opponent's services
I'm returning after a long hiatus so many grains of salt, I demo'd the 100d alongside the ezone 98 and solinco whiteout 18x20 and I'd agree broadly. I will give it, it has great directional control. I could place balls left to right, but It just had no power, so I was having trouble getting depth. I liked returning , but baseline battles were rough, I had to really hammer it to give it enough depth, it just always felt like it just wasn't quite enough. If they gave it a touch more power, stiffen it just a bit in some way, it'd be great. but they didn't.
Which did you like best
@@MrFunkyko i went with the ezone 98+ but since I've been playing more regularly and gotten some of my old form back i think if I had to go back and do it again, of the three id probably get the whiteout. I don't need as much help with power as I thought and could benefit from a bit more stability.
That being said, there's a lot of rackets I haven't tried that should in theory be good fits for me. (pure aero 98, vcore 98, pure strike 98, maybe even a radical mp or a blade) so maybe another round or two of demos is appropriate tbh.
How would you costumize it?
Thanks!
garbage can mod
It is interesting how the "classic" control lines remain despite more powerful and forgiving options exist. I would want to customize the 97 310g version to the 97D specs without the denser string pattern. I would want a compromise between the 310 and 330 gram versions. At this point of needing so much customization, I would pass on the 310 g version all together because the cost is too high now. At 279, customization costs is not worth it. I would pick a heavier option in the Percept line or go to Prostaff/Prestige. The 310g is just not worth it anymore at the higher price.
I feel that exactly
I mean it you added say 4-5gr at 12, that brings SW up to 327-328.
And counter that with a leather grip. Bingo, you have a 315gr Percept with acceptable SW and maintain balance.
@@cactuschef5229 yeah so I guess I'm left here wondering why they would make an unacceptable Percept... i get why, but i thinks it dumb
@@cactuschef5229 Yes, that would make the frame playable. At the price point, materials should be included for customization. I would make that same argument for all the brands.
How about adding some lead.
What is an other control oriented racket that defends better than the two you mentioned?
Strike VS, Whiteout 18x20, Blade 98 16x19, VCORE 95 almost anything really
@@TennCom Thank you! Do you think with some weight at the hoop it would be more stable and better to defend with?
I hate when my racquet doesn't have a soul. Also, Giron has made real and immediate strides since switching to the Percept 97D, although it can't just be the racquet...right?? Your footwork is looking good, btw!
Thanks man! Could be the racquet, could be that he feels Karue catching up a little haha. Lots of guys are hurt towards the end of the season so the players would can find form and stay injury free at this time of year usually seem to find wins.
Will the 2023 vcore 98 be discontinued? Or is the vcore line finished?
No the vcore line is still there. Only the vcore pro is being remplaced by the Percept
@@AlexTennisChannelim glad
The 2023 VCOREs (red) will remain. THey even just added a Tour version to the line.
I took a few decades off and restarted with Aero. Too much power for a flat swing. I play with VCore Pro but now I’m ready for more power. Percept or VCore or EZone?
I guess I am the only one who couldn't care less how racquets look. For me its 100% about the feeling.
I have a Percept 97H and I love it.
Did you ever test the percept 97 H? I’m about to pull the trigger on it.
I haven't. Might get a demo in the future but I'm personally not super interested so I might not also
@@TennCom fair enough. I currently use H19’s with a 57 RA at 12.6 ounces but can’t keep paying $500 plus for them, especially as I do t compete anymore. Trying to find a more stick replacement. The Wilson Pro labs aren’t it.
@@jamescollieson4726 yeah i mean if you are coming from that kind of stick there's not a ton of choice (as you know). I've never even hit an H19, but maybe look at Artengo. I think Monfils actually uses their TR990 COntrol (i think thats what its called)
@@jamescollieson4726 Never hit with an H19 but I've really been happy with my Blade Pro v8's. Tried the VCORE Pro 97 and it was just not even close to the type of connection that I got with the Blade Pro v8.
I play with Vcore 95 Scarlett. Calling it as a muted frame sounds to me like a kind of joke. XD
Try the H way different more like the rf97
MUTED! That’s the word we were looking for! Great review and insights!
Does the Strike VS "fix" the hollow tinnyish feel of the PA98?
Its more solid that the PA98 for sure but its less solid feeling than most Yonex frames imo
@@TennCom very little experience with yonex frames gahh.. maybe compare to Head's lineup if you can? When I think of "solidity" for their frames I do know it goes GPro > ETour > Speed MP. I interpret "solid" as the opposite of "hollow".
@@bruno_mart I would put it in the same realm as the ET
What strings you playing in there.
Toroline Wasabi red: toroline.refr.cc/tenncom
I have 3 demos I’m working with over the next 2 weeks and the Percept 97 is one of them. Not a fan at the moment as I was more at home with the TF40 305… I’ll spend another day with the Percept, but I’m stoked to see your review and insight on it before wasting any further time attempting to make it work.
I find that first impressions often go a long way when it comes to demoing for purchase.
Since your video Been using the pure strike vs in wasabi carbon or dark grey. Honestly doesn’t give me that ugly feel that color strings usually give me but all the same spin and SnapBack.
i would like to see a mainstream release of wasabi in carbon grey
@@TennCom they sell the half reels of it now on thier website but not in a singular packet yet
So what you are actually saying is that your just not good enough for the percept 97 :D . I do not want to insult Becket. You are great content creator.
I can create a lot of rackethead speed myself and appreciate the low power and feel I get from the 97. Also the ball absorption during defence is something I appreciate a lot. When I get mine though I will up the swingweight a little. Maybe around 325!
Ok but when you don't have time to create head speed it is very difficult to defend... even with head speed, serves are not bombs because the frame is too soft and flexy... the VCP/Percept is anemic, not stable, too muted... try the Pure Strike VS, a better racquet in all aspects ! Don't need any customisation...
@@nakmuay5034 than it is just not the racket for you ;) If you are not be able to properly handle a racket than it is just not made for you. I serve bombs with the percept also kicks and it is very stable.
@@servingacesstability = thick beam + stiff frame + head heavy... VCore Pro 97 is 21mm beam, 60 Ra, head light... sorry no... even an EZONE 98L 25g lighter is much more stable... perhaps the Percept is a litlle bit more stable than VCP...
@@nakmuay5034 I agree with what you said abut stability. The most stable racquet I ever hit with was the Pure Strike Tour 3rd gen which was 352g with strings, overgrip. It is a tank, NOTHING can push you off the court and brutal power. The downside is total lack of feel on the racquet, very boardy. But if I want the best chance to win a tennis match, that is the racquet to play with for me. Brutal spin and easy power.
Just use a Prince TT ATS 95 or 98 instead
if this racquet had swingweight over 326 I'd use it. Advanced players don't like feeling they are swinging air.
That forehand needs help ,,love your reviews
its been feeling especially bad lately
its so easy to complicate,but doesnt need to be,keep those reviews coming and stick with it!@@TennCom
Honestly, at times I regret not just buying the 97D because I thought it would be *too* heavy
It's not the static weight of the D that is the deal-killer for most rec players: it's the mass distribution, swing weight, low power and string pattern, which come together to make a noticeably harder package to get moving and much lower launch angle and power level than most players realize. All in all, you really need to be a well-established athlete of a tennis player to get any real benefit from the D. And I'm not one to gate-keep a racquet by level, but the D is like the Blade Pro (H22), in that if you're not at least a physically strong 4.5, even 5.0, IMHO you really have no business playing with it... not when other substantially easier-to-use 18x20 pleeners are out there, such as the WhiteOut or Prince Tour 100P, both of which are just about as playable, with way fewer concessions for the typical 3.5 to 4.0-ish rec player. Mind you, this is coming from a 4.0-4.5 who's mainlined the VCP 97D for many months now, in addition to the 2019 Tour 100P, and it's absolutely no contest as to which is the more finely balanced racquet for most players (the 100P, hands down). So take that as you will, and I don't want to stop you from trying the D, but rather just want to set expectations more broadly.
@@outcometechnology this is fair. I got the regular 97 because that seemed like an easier racket to play with at my level. It’s been good so far, and it’s really just that I want to try the 97D if I get a chance.
What strings did you string it with?
Toroline Wasabi red: toroline.refr.cc/tenncom
Isn't Wasabi too soft for the Percept?Which tension did you use?
@@robertplesnik1728 48lbs. Wasabi played pretty well in the racquet for me. I don't think it plays that soft, pretty medium for me.
what, low swing makes it easier to get to balls. When the swing weight is high, your footwork needs to be perfect
Thx for the honest review! I hated the vcore pros and your thoughts don’t surprise me at all. It’s interesting how when a big racquet manufacturer does a big new launch there’s so much hype and a lot of tennis guys I know are suddenly considering it, but it really shocks me in this case cause for the average rec / weekend warrior type there are so many better options than the precept. I posted something similar w/r to the prestige long on the TT forums - there is absolutely no reason for there to be a prestige line anymore other than for nostalgia. There is a place for the percept, but mostly for huge hitters who need control to dial in their power (I guess)
I agree I can't believe the Prestige line has stayed alive this long when the appeal seems so minor. The Gravity's feel like they've eaten the Prestige's market.
@@TennCom right - if you have the gravity line and a racquet like the radical pro, why not just launch the prestige classic vs this MP-L prestige which seems like an attempt to make the prestige more playable, but with a 310 swingweight? I don’t get it.
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Bro, love your content but 2 grams @ 12 or some iteration thereof. Tap into your tennis tinkering tendencies to add the swingweight it needs. We all know that you know that this is a platform racquet. For my all court game, after some customization, it’s a great racquet.
I dont know why a platform racquet is often considered a bad thing. With a little customization this stick is a gem. Add a little weight and you can make it more stable like the 97D but with an open pattern for more spin!
Tried the Percept 100D…. soft…no pop… I’ll stick with my Shift 99 300…🎾
Sad to hear. I had high hopes for the 100D but I won't bother trying to get one (not avail in Canada anyway).
@@TennCom : Tennisnerd and his buds like it. You should try the 100D. What is your present stick and strings and tension?😀🎾
@@TennCom What do you think about the Blade 98 16x19? They are cheap now… thinking of picking on up
OMG, the heavy breaths of the OP during practice hits 😱
A bit concerned about an emergency on the court 😂
Please find a fitness coach and work out more under his supervision.
OP here, I like to live on the edge of death
The 97 is lousy. The 97H on the other hand is fantastic. Try that one.
Sometimes you need to know your limits. I don't wanna be rude but you don't have the playing skills to play with that type of racket, no full swing. A few gr. of lead and a lower tension make this racket a dream for the player of this type of racket.
Hello Beckett.
Definitely a racket with a 97 rim, 310 grams of weight without strings and with a swingweight as ANEMIC as 315 with strings is ridiculous for many recreational players, obviously it is a platform racket but I think Yonex loses a good number of potential buyers with those specifications. I know there are also the 97D and 97H options, but it can be a disappointing experience for many. Greetings
I can't watch tennis with bloody pickle ball line soon the court, such a shame they ruined the courts you play on!
yeah we went here once and never again... to bad because these courts are super close to me
The percept is a fail from yonex. Hope they stick to the vcore
Wawrinka is pronounced as if it were Vavrinka
this is america