I never understood the whole “people don’t know krypto” thought, there was literally a super pets movie with him like a year or 2 ago and I remember a pretty popular krypto show when I was a kid in the early/mid 2000s
I literally didn't care, but I saw Krypto and actually got a little interested in it. Like, one of the Robins had a Batcow for a while, let Superman have his dog.
I think "Shad wants a Mary Sue" is pretty on brand. When a female character accomplishes anything, he complains they are a "Mary Sue." and so we should hate that character. Any time a male character is anything other than shallow wish-fullfilment power fantasy, he complains that the character needs to possess more of the traits people associate with Mary Sues. He's unbelievably shallow. His lack of self-awareness is legendary.
And I think his idea of Justice and the masculine ideal is "kills" Yeah, he'd say it was because it's meant to protect, but also... violence is always justified against evil doers. It's a very Old Testament view on it.
Mary Sue is supposed to be an overly perfect auctorial self Insert though. Meaning to apply it to a movie would only be correct if the director saw himself in the figure. Regarding shad it's spot on though. That whiny little incel IS trying to self Insert the hero he wants to be seen as into the story, which would turn out to be as depressingly shallow, empty and uninspiring as everything else he touches.
Its really telling about shad's mindset that upon seeing the first shot of superman crashing into the snow his responce is to say he's weak, deafeated, battered. His first responce is to call him a weak pathetic loser whereas when i saw it my first thought is empathy. I thought "oh no, superman, what happened?" And as it went on i was rooting for him to not give up. Shad sees a bloody superman and judges him instead of having empathy or compasion and thinks he is not someone worthy of idolization. That is just such a perfect example of toxic masculinity
I was all the way with you, but then you had to mention some generic crap like toxic masculinity…listen I’ve heard female channels I follow shit on the superman trailer for the same reasons as Shad…having a lack of empathy has NOTHING to do with gender and you actually saying that it does IS toxic. Do you follow the logic here?
This is such a great point that made me reevaluate my initial thoughts on the scene. I believe it was along the lines of "Holy sh*t! What could have done this?!" which then led to theories of what it could be and how it would be great to see Superman overcome whatever has been able to put him in this state. Never a thought of Supes being "weak" or "pathetic." I know he's strong, this just implies to me that he's facing something even *stronger*.
Me personally, I’m not that empathetic myself, so I thought “Damn! Who out here beat Superman’s ass? I hope he recovers FAST.” Also, and this is kind of non-sequitor, but it James ever introduces Doomsday in the distant future and kills Superman via coming to Earth to duke it out, I hope in its a triquel to Legacy at earliest.
Pretty much any Superman can beat Homelander because Superman can actually strategise and work with a team rather than just using heatvision and being intimidating. Hell, Pluto the Superdog could run rings around Homelander.
Homelander was a darling of the right wing before they realized (far, far too late for comfort) that The Boys was making fun of them and he wasn't the good guy. I think it's not an unreasonable hypothesis.
So like... is this the first time Shad's ever seen a movie trailer? Because showing the hero defeated is pretty common, especially in franchise action movies. It makes the viewer think, "Wow, I know the kind of things this guy's fought before, so I have to see what did THIS to him, and how he's able to overcome it!" Off the top of my head, see also: Iron Man 3, The Dark Knight Rises, Infinity War, Ant-Man 3. Admittedly some of those missed the mark, but the trailers got people hyped. Also to look at a cute dog in a red cape and think "This is stupid, nobody wants this," instead of, "Oh god, they're going to sell so much merch," really shows how out of touch he is.
Apparently Shad is unaware of the heroic ideal of someone who gets back up no matter how many times they get knocked down. An idea that shows up in Superman stories.
Shadoversity is like the literal human embodiment of Scar, as opposed to his golden haired, much more handsome brother, Jazza/Mufasa. And this undeniable comparison to his golden brother has broken his mind. His brother is a hugely successful artist and shad released a whole hour long rant about why his own AI artwork is just as hard and complicated as actual art. Such a bitter , sad dude
@nondescriptcat5620 Most art turns out to be "woke" if you take an honest look at it. There were Jewish people and gay people in Hollywood who found ways to put anti-racist and anti-homophonic messages in movies even in the 50s, for instance, and of course Star Trek was always woke, the notion of people criticizing the latest Star Trek incarnations for being too leftist is laughable. I think there are a couple things going on. 1) Creative people tend to be progressive, because they can imagine a better world, and 2) Progressive messages, despite how propaganda has turned so many people against progressivism, naturally resonate with human beings, and so (well done) "woke" art just tends to be better (note better doesn't mean always good, in an age where everything is slop it will still be slop). The difference is that back in the day, the messages were obscured by just enough separation from the actual politics of the day, and the art was actually well made, making it easy for reactionaries to not notice and just appreciate the art. Nowadays, the perfect storm of reactionaries becoming entirely consumed by their political grievances and media being reduced to soulless corporate cash grabs has made it so that the same "woke" messages that were already there are just more visiblely political
@@nondescriptcat5620 UA-camr Steve Shives has been banging the drum that Superman has been woke for decades. Yet, the Superman is a neocon icon (see Homelander) persists.
There are sadly way too many people who call themselves fans of Superman yet fail to grasp that the "man" part of the moniker matters so much more than the "Super" part.
@@Gchildwarrior Your comment reminds me of Steve Shives' excellent video "* Why Does Superman Need to Save the Cat?" So many "fans" miss that Superman is Superman because of his empathy and compassion not his godlike power.
i really thought his head would explode when that bit was on, but alas, sadly, it did not. i'm pretty sure mine would if i said some dumbassery like that.
@@Ubermensch9240I don’t know if you are being sarcastic, because a person can be a true fan in any way that they like. The issue is when someone comments critically on a topic, while ignoring the origins and context of the topic. Shad doesn’t have to read every comic before he comments, but he acts like an authority on Superman, while barely scratching the surface of any actual Superman media. His idea of a good Superman film is one where there is no Clark Kent, Kent farm, or secondary characters, and Superman is a golden god who faces no real challenges from beginning to end and punches all his problems. That sounds like a boring film.
@@mduncl Yeah, it's not about what you read/watch exactly, its about understanding the core appeal and world of the character. If you liked watching Supes be a big blue boy scout in any of the movies or TV shows, if you love the wholesome vibes of his family life and the ways he represents empathy and absolute kindness, you're a Superman fan because that's everything the guy represents. If you like that, you like him doesn't matter where you saw it. Shad clearly doesn't like that side of the character with his complaints about Krypto and Lois, like the goofiness and wacky aspects of Superman are literally part of the core appeal of the character. It's like getting upset at anime having exaggerated character designs and over-the-top action, that's exactly why everyone else is here and the fact that you're complaining shows how little you know about this space
@@mduncl Boring film would be bad enough on its own, but that movie would miss the mark of what Superman is that it's not even a Superman film anymore unless we're talking about an obscure and probably really bad Elseworlds story.
Another point that Shad missed with Krypto coming to save Superman is that it's also metatextual. Superman has been beaten down by the previous film adaptations, and here comes Krypto to help him out and get him better.
@@ChazMcRich1yes, we're getting Krypto the Superdog in live action! Genuinely, seeing him in the trailer gave me a level of hype I didn't know I could reach, I'm so happy we're embracing the goofy parts of Supes and letting this movie feel bright and hopeful
Shad's notion that Gunn's Superman is the "deconstructionist" one is baffling, just one of the worst, most objectively wrong-headed bits of media criticism I've ever seen.
@@NangkeDrawsstuff Ironically, ChatGPT had this to say; "Yes, Zack Snyder's portrayal of Superman in Man of Steel (2013) and Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) can be described as "deconstructionist." In traditional superhero narratives, characters like Superman are often idealized as paragons of virtue and justice. However, Snyder's take on Superman challenges this idealization, offering a more grounded, morally complex version of the character. The films explore the consequences of his immense power, the impact of his arrival on Earth, and the existential and philosophical questions surrounding his role in a world that is often uncertain or hostile toward him. The deconstructionist approach here strips away some of the optimism and simplicity typically associated with Superman, showing him grappling with the burden of being different and the weight of responsibility. Instead of being an unquestioned symbol of hope, Snyder's Superman is more nuanced, unsure of his place in the world, and often facing public fear and distrust, which complicates his journey as a hero. In essence, Snyder's Superman isn't just a perfect, unflawed hero-he's a character who must deal with the human and moral implications of his god-like status, which is a hallmark of a deconstructionist approach to superhero storytelling." Even a mindless bot is more insightful than Shad.
@@Gloomdrake Well of course it does, that's how it works. It plagiarised every word it ever wrote. I'm not saying that there's anything meaningful about ChatGPT's output, I just think it's funny.
Yes Shad, it is manipulative, but we call that 'Marketing.' You're always being manipulated... Also when you really break down storytelling as a concept, it really does just boil down to emotional manipulation for the sake of entertainment/relaying a message
The thing about the first image of Superman being broken also reads as a metaphor commentary. “Yeah he’s had some rough few years the last time we tried this.” And it ends with him rising above that. Basically “we will wash away the past DCEU and what it did to him and he will be better.”
Yeah, the structure of this trailer and it's seemingly intentional responses to what Superman has been on screen in the past is lost on 90% of people in the comments. It's intentional and a DIRECT comment on how he's been treated by "fans", the media/critics, and just in popular culture in general. Beaten battered and bruised; the first thing we hear Superman say is "take me home", then cut to a series of images that evoke nothing less that pure Silver Age Superman. Beautiful.
@@ColumbiaBeet Yeah. And sometimes narratives just happen. Because Man of Steel and BvS happened then later that same year he debuted in Supergirl on the CW. Had well received guest appearances on the "lesser" medium (TV) and superhero house at the time (DC). Then picked up enough steam for a spin off about an End of Career Superman at the same time getting an animated "beginning of career" that were both well received. Seemingly climbing back up. Then Superman and Lois does something no Superman media could ever do. End Superman. In a well received way a few months before this movie which feels like the culmination of all that climbing. You couldn't ask for a better meta narrative than that.
Am I crazy, or does it seem like Shad is confusing the concept of "desconstructing" Superman (critically examining the Superman mythos and analyzing why it works, its strengths, its shortcomings, etc) with "destroying" Superman, as in like, literally destroying, killing, or merely injuring him etc. I mean, Superman being injured is not (by itself) any form of deconstruction of the character or the mythos, it's literally just a basic aspect of pretty much any Superman story. I can't think of a single Superman story in which he isn't injured or at least tested in some serious way. But it seems like Shad sees Superman being injured and goes "James Gunn is going to deconstruct Superman" and it really feels like he doesn't understand what the word "deconstruct" actually means... I already had a pretty low opinion of Shad's level of media literacy, but if he truly is mixing up "deconstruction" with "destruction", then he's even worse at this than I thought 🤷
While that is funny, I don't think it's actually what's happening here. I think the truth is far more boring. Conservative dogma currently mandates that any and all deconstructive media is bad (and possibly woke) which means every conservative commentator has to tow that line. Unfortunately, like with all things they get angry about on the regular, they never actually learned what it is, so they're incapable of identifying it in the media they're critiquing. In this case, Shad has picked up that portraying heroes as downtrodden or unable to properly deal with the forces thrown at them is a thing that often happens in deconstructive media, so here he saw something that kind of looked like that and assumed it must be deconstructing Superman. Still very silly, but not quite on the level that you were suggesting lol.
It is a trend recently of "Desconstruction" without understanding of what should be Build after (Snyder is a great example) I don't it's what's happening here at all, but it does happen
the dude says he's an old school fan and that he haven't read the comics in the same breath. I dont think shadi the teenage shark is an honest person, they just repeat fascist talking points like it owes them money.
Ugh I hate “why is he beat up in the opening,” criticism that people like shad make. The extremely overt symbolism just blows right over their heads. Superman is quite literally starting the trailer at his lowest point, and by the end of the trailer, we see him triumphantly rising, onwards and upwards. Something something death of media literacy something something
12:10 you know, a common thing I hear from people who don't like superman is "I can't connect with a character that is all powerful", which to me has always sounded like a writing issue on the part of those introducing us to superman rather than a conceptual flaw. In this opening shot, Gunn is aiming to dispel that idea right away while also adding some form of intrigue: what could be so powerful as to make superman look like frigging yamcha? It humanized a character that a lot of audiences have felt is just a clunky Jesus metaphor for too long. So I find it funny that shad is like "NO, I WANT SUPERMAN TO BE ALL POWERFUL AND FOR MOST PEOPLE TO FAIL TO GET THE CORE OF HIS CHARACTER"
Wait a minute Didn't Shadiversity (or people like him) bash overpowered female characters by calling them obvious power fantasies? That critique is conveniently gone for Superman...
Yeah that's where I always feel where people start to show they only want a action film with no character. I mean from what I have gathered by reading a few JL comics Superman does have flaws and actually relatable aspects and interesting character aspects.
Funny, my father (proud russian) once said: "Only Americans could make up a figure like Superman. Too lazy to lift themselves up, they have to invent a fairytale creature as their symbol of hope. There is nothing heroic, if you have magical powers that makes you better than everyone else. True heroism is about going out there and taming the wild, beating a world that beats you down every chance it gets."
Feels like Shad doesn’t want Superman to be a comic book movie. Also, and I can’t stress this enough, it’s so annoying that he keeps repeating ”broken and defeated Superman”. We get it. He’s broken and defeated. We know. We have eyes
@@kwayneboy1524Or maimed, or killed, or banished to another universe, or banished to an apocalyptic future, or any number of other outcomes stemming from the fact that *he lost a fight.*
@@kwayneboy1524 well Shad, by his own admission, has never read the comics, so how would he know that? After all he's a "big fan" of Superman...though that doesn't seem to extend to reading the _source material_ at all. Literally Shad knows SQUAT about Superman.
@@Skye_Writer Well the thing is that he said he watched the cartoons and the movies and he has been killed, hypnotized, brainwashed, beaten and banished to the end of time in those as well (though not all at once) so he would know if he actually paid attention or tried to understand that a super-powerful character is made interesting by the turmoil and suffering he overcomes, not by how high or fast he flies or how hard he punches stuff. Even One-Punch Man knows this and it's superficially a gag mange.
Superman is NOT a god. He’s an immigrant who tries to make a difference in the world using his powers. He may have infinite power sure but he is no god.
He doesn't know what the reactionary narrative will be yet so he deliberately keeps it vague, so that later on he can rally behind some bullshit non-issue and pretend that's what he was so concerned about all the time
According to those who have reviewed Shad’s book, his main character is always cool and never defeated, so it tracks that he has no idea that people like to see the hero struggle. Also, Shad not realizing the music he was hating at the beginning for being flashy was the original Superman theme the entire time is hilarious.
As a kid, the Superman media I was most familiar with, was the Krypto the Superdog cartoon. And once I saw he was in this trailer, it made me so excited, and single handedly convinced me this is a movie I needed to see.
Because he's unfamiliar with the comics, Shad can't recognise one of the most common comic book tropes; the hero defeated. It is incredibly common for the cover of a superhero comic to feature the hero on his knees, broken, defeated or even dead. This is supposed to make you wonder how Superman gets out of this situation, so you buy the comic to find out. Over the years the covers of Superman comics have shown him getting beaten up by Lex Luthor, getting beaten up by Lois, getting beaten up by Jimmy, getting beaten up by a dragon, getting beaten up by tiny green men, getting beaten up by empty clothing, getting beaten up by a giant ant, getting beaten up by a little kid, getting beaten up by a gorilla, getting beaten up by a different gorilla, getting beaten up by yet another gorilla (comics really loved gorillas back in the day), getting beaten up by himself and getting beaten up by multiple versions of himself as well as depicting him being dead multiple times (even before Death of Superman) and one where he's being ridden like a bronco by a pervy cowboy. Those are all real covers. The point is, showing a defeated Superman is not new, has been common since the Silver Age and is particularly common as an opening hook used to intrigue the audience. Shad thinks that his unfamiliarity with the source material doesn't matter and can be hand waved away, but it leaves him open to missing obvious tropes of the genre like this one.
doesn't superman get beat upin the classic christopher reeves movies? the point of superheroes isn't that they never face dangers or difficulties, it's that they face superhuman dangers and difficulties. superman isn't a steven seagal character
And ‘ironically’ the not see accusations mostly ended up to be true, if global political trends are to be believed. Whereas very few people are woke in the classic sense or even all that much in the modern sense
@nenafan1 Modern usages of the word 'woke' are far more agregious than Nazi. Woke, at it's inception, was far more related to conspiracy and society. People would be "woke" to the goings on of the world. In comparison, Nazi can be applied to modern talking points, not in the least because Neo-Nazis are a real thing, just not Uber prevalent because Nazi ideology is (rightly) considered to be a bad thing
@@christianvondruska8244 I appreciate the elucidation, but that was basically what I was getting at. I would ague against your use of ‘conspiracy,’ though. It was those who saw how the average African American was made to live back in the day, as far as I’m aware. No c o n s p i r a c y needed, just acknowledging reality.
@nenafan1 Sorry, that's what I was getting at, just did a horrible job of conveying it. Basically just that "woke" as it is used now is nothing like it's meant to be used for
"Superman should always be powerful and strong, and never face any challenges, and he gets all the girls" Makes sense after seeing his own writing, he's so immature.
Drinking game: Every time Shad says “DEFEATED and BROKEN” take a shot. (Hopefully Ant’s interruptions should be enough to make sure you don’t die of over drinking)
Why do I get the feeling that Shad applauded when Snyder’s Superman killed a guy by smashing his body through a series of brick walls at the beginning of BvS?
It’s been funny and sweet to see nearly everyone prove Shad’s point about Krypto putting “normal” people off the movie wrong with the near-universal praise of the choice to put him in the movie. I could see the choice getting more pushback a decade or two ago, but it seems like more and more people would agree with what I said in my super chat during the original livestream: Bring on the silly little guys!
The MCU has made the public more comfortable with silly elements appearing in superhero movies. This is why James Gunn was free to make Rocket Raccoon a main character in the GOTG films. So, plenty of normal people are cool with Krypton the Super Dog. It's the self-conscious, anti-woke types like Shad who have issues with the character.
55:30 The Death of Superman isn't a deconstruction but the Reign of the Supermen kind of is. You've got Superboy the Superman who didn't have parents to bring him up right and is reckless and kinda a jerk, Steel the man who takes moral responsibility on himself, Eradicator the alien without the human and then Cyborg who is the power of Superman being used for pretty revenge and tyranny.
To clarify for anyone not in the know, the Cyborg mention in the comment is the Cyborg Superman, Hank Henshaw, not the superhero Cyborg. DC's version of Reed Richards got a pretty radical make-over ngl.
“Trailers can lie completely” is definitely him covering his ass for the possibility of the film being really good so he can just say “Oh the trailer lied to me” instead of “I never said I was pissed off that she was wearing pants”.
I'll never understand why everyone refuses to use the term "Gary Stu," despite the fact that _most_ of the characters who exhibit those traits are male. In fact if you google Marry Sue + DC, one of the top results will be fanart of that scene where Batman dodged the Omega Beams.
because mary sue is a literary term just like straight man. Lois from family guy is the straight man for Peter's shenanigans, her being a woman doesn't change the name of the term
@@666FallenShadow I find it interesting that the term is female coded when the point of this post was that a lot of the prominent "mary-sues" have actually been male. Why do the women get singled out?
It's pretty funny too, seeing as Flash couldn't shake off Darkseid's Omega Beams; And has to resort to vibrating so hard he phases through objects, to avoid it. But Batman just said "Skill issue" and abused the I-Frames of his dodgeroll to avoid the Omega Beam. AND EVEN IF HE IS HIT, IT DOESN'T FUCKING KILL HIM
Ok, second comment now that I'm further in, why is he complaining that Clark kisses Lois before going out to save the day or do Superman things? Like, he does know that's a super common trope in superhero fiction that the hero kisses their significant other before going out to save the day?
Shad think that Homelander is what Superman should be. I wonder what he would say if he learned that Superman went after a lobbies in his first appearance. For the trailer itself: I'm not crying, I'm chopping onions.
Brother the trailer is so good I legit watched that trailer 14 times I NEED this movie in my veins already lmao Haven't been this excited from a superhero teaser trailer since The Joker
Im not even a fan of Superman & this was still infuriating to me. Making up issues. Setting up contradictory expectations. Hate of Crypto cause too silly. Also, the "for what we would want out of a Superman film" nonsense. Who is "we" there, Shad? Cause it doesn't sound like it stands for Superman fans
I can sorta understand someone thinking that Krypto is too silly to be included in a Superman movie that is trying to be an overall serious narrative. I disagree entirely with that take, but I can at least see someone genuinely holding that opinion. What I don't get is how Shad can look into the camera and say, with a straight face: "Regular audiences aren't going to be swayed to see the movie when they see Krypto the Superdog." Like.... Hello!? Last I checked people love dogs, and a faithful dog companion who Superman can rely on when times are tough sounds like exactly what the average person wants to see in a Superman film.
I can agree with not liking this iteration of Krypto. But I don't like wirey haired dogs and would have preferred he be depicted as the standard retriever-esque dog he usually is. Even seeing a wirey haired dog makes my teeth itch. 😬
When I was learning how to write Mon stories (aka anything that has kind of a monster element akin to Pokemon), one of the tips i got ages ago from a Pokemon forum was that to make people care for the mons, whether it be your own creatures or when writing a Pokemon and Digimon fanfic (and this can apply to any Mon genre), they need to have some sort of moment that establishes the bond between the creature and the human/trainer stand-in. Example is the famous Ash is willing to sacrifice himself for his Pikachu who throughout the first episode had been nothing but a jerk to him, but then Pikachu saves Ash from the hundreds of Spearows. These same tips apllied to pet characters. Krypto is doing just that, he's saving Superman. He's establishing the close bond he has with Superman immediately and he's doing his best to help him out during his lowest point. And at this point Superman depends on him and Krypto is probably the only one who can help him.
Couple of things that struck me as funny: 1. Shad - like so many of these guys - is so scared of ever watching a movie that doesn't conform to his every exact personal belief that he's scouring a trailer for signs of ideological non-compliance so he can pre-emptively whine about it. Everything these wimps accuse the "woke" of is projection. 2. "I don't care about James Gunn or the movies he's directed before." You don't care about who the director of a movie is, what his track record is? You're over-analyzing a teaser trailer, but ignoring something that actually does have salience to what the movie is going to be like? Man, go back to imagining what medieval combat was like based on your backyard "reconstructions."
Reactionary liars like Shad always open up their videos, on the Superman trailer saying g that generally people think k it looks "alright" or whatever. When most people are excited
Shad needs to just not watch this movie. He's angry that this is not the power fantasy he's built up in his mind around Superman. Shad's "analysis" is akin to me doing an entire critique of the Creed trailer without ever fully watching the whole Rocky-verse. As a huge Superman fan, Shad's critique physically made me angry.
Shad not being American or even a Westerner probably also adds to his misunderstanding of Superman because he's only seen out culture from the outside. He doesn't understand the role Superman has played in American history or western pop culture for the past century. He just wants a strong man character but Superman leads with kindness and is a beacon of hope for downtrodden people.
@@BlueDaisy33I was gonna say I don’t think there’s an explanation for Shad other than he just doesn’t know things. I also thought Australia was western lol
“The West” does also include Australia and New Zealand, and Superman is pretty big everywhere. He’s simply not a fan of comic books, and doesn’t read them as opposed to what he claims.
He's not actually a Hema expert and never was, most of what he used to talk about was just shit he made up bc he thought it sounded right, now he's just another grifter
I watched him a bit back when he did primarily medieval stuff, but even back then he kept going on about things like how "this is how they ACTUALLY held their bows. None of the historical researchers agree with me, but they're all wrong." Trying to one-up people who have studied those things for their entire life with a few paintings he happened to find that kinda look that way if you squint a bit and ignore any other explanation of and also the fact that he personally found it easier to aim that way.
Shadiverstiy, the guy who's protagonist in his book is a one-dimensional and psychotic Mary Sue, wants every superhero to be a one-dimensional and psychotic Mary Sue? Who would've thought...
@@excusezmoi9823Nietzsche’s Superman is a concept with multiple interpretations, but I’ll give just one. In Thus Spoke Zarathustra, Zarathustra proclaims the Superman will be to humanity what humanity is to apes. Nietzsche was trying to make a purpose for humanity that didn’t involve any supernatural forces. His Superman was the goal he came up with for humanity to strive towards.
And now we have to wait for the 5 hour reply video of shad trying to say why you are wrong, but in the end just repeating dumb stuff over and over again without making any actual argument.
Snyder fans are impossibly weird in their warped interpretation of who Superman is. Let alone a bunch of mostly and supposedly straight men pining with strong homoerotic overtones over the muscular appearance of their hero's body, they also just... want a Superman who punches the shit out of things. Like, they want him to wail on a big alien and level a city, , and kill... and think that's cool and good. And they see a Superman that saves a kitten from a tree or who helps teach some kids a life lesson and sees that as weakness somehow, rather than an icon of strength. Same kind of people who think The Last Jedi was bad because Luke didn't go full on John Wick with a lightsaber at the end.
31:35 WHAT DOES HE MEAN IT WILL DETRACT FROM THE LARGER AUDIENCE?! I've gone to see movies I've never heard of the source material from because of dog!! Kids will drag their parents to go watch a movie about a super powered dog. I know that if this film had released when I was growing up it would have been a win-win for me and my dad. He gets to watch Superman, I get to watch flying dog. Also, you listed a bunch of James Gunn animals from the GotG franchise but failed to mention the best animal adaptation he's done... Scooby Doo! Don't care, Scooby Doo was where James Gunn peaked, all his other films have been trash according to me and probably only me.
Yeah dogs are a great way to attract people since most everyone loves dogs why do you think there are so many dog focused channels that are huge on UA-cam? Because we can't get enough of the silly fluffy goobers
Krypto is goofy as hell _and I love him._ I'm *thrilled* we're moving away from the absolutely grim Snyderverse into something brighter. We might have needed them to show us what we were missing, but good gravy was that frustrating. The more Shad talks about what he wants, the happier I am he doesn't have any say at all in what's being made. What a weird take on how Superman should be written.
I think for the 3 personas of Superman, the “real Clark Kent/Superman” should just be called the “Kal El” persona, so just “Clark Kent” is the human-reading reporter and “Superman” is the the openly-Kryptonian superhero. Clark Kent and Superman are both masks for Kal El if we want to use archaic psychology terminology.
It's the Peach in pant's situation all over again, when the movie will come out and Superman will be overpower, peoples will critisise is take and he will say: I just reacted to what I saw in the context of the trailer! So, and here's an idea, what don't you wait for the movie to come out before stating is message ?
I'll never get over that... like dude!!! She's wearing her motorcycle fit from MKWii she's had that look for well over a decade! It's been in every MK since! How do you not know that? (And God forbid Peach not be completely useless)
i genuinely feel bad for jazza. i don’t know the guy’s political affiliations or anything but it must be rough having your work permanently linked to your brother who constantly embarrasses himself just because you both work in similar fields
One of the funniest things is him saying this won't give wider audiences interest in the movie Bestie the superhero pet movie came out recently enough you're gonna have kids go "OH SHIT IT'S CRYPTO" it's not Only a comics thing, it's also an Animated thing
Also, with tiktok/reels/shorts etc, we have PLENTY of people doing looks at comic runs to introduce them to people who probably wouldn't read the comics otherwise WHICH Means broader appeal
Tell me you don't read comics or know about Superman cannon without tell me. He is one of the reactionaries that complain "This breaks Cannon/Lore" or "Historically Correct" but know nothing about the overall character of Superman/Clark Kent goes to complain about Krypto. Superman is hope and what we should strive for character wise. My favorite moment in the last 5 yrs was him being a loving and accepting father with Jonathan when he come out was the Superman thing anyone wrote but the dudes bros pooped their pants.
- Dude absolutely has zero understanding of the hero's journey and... he wrote a fantasy novel. - 'Man and his dog' has been a storied myth told many times throughout human history.
Hell man with dog is literally on the Fool Arcana card itself... dogs have been a fundamental part of our lives for millenia its part of our psyche to see a dog and go oh hello pupper! *pets*
As I pointed out on the stream video: Shad: "there is a lot of goofy dumb crap in that old stuff" Does Shad know Krypto is in the comics right now? Does he know he plays an central part in Supergirl: Woman of Tomorrow, one of the most beloved Super-family anything comics to come out in the last couple of years? Which also happens to be the next thing they are adapting?
he knows fuck all about pretty much everything he talks about, including the sword content he used to make. he's just a tourist trying to farm outrage for money
Oh yeah, that Kill Bill thing. To my understanding that's Tarantino's legit take on Superman and I think is an excellent argument for never giving him a Superman film. It so fundamentally misunderstands everything about the character.
I think it is funny because that was Bill saying "I don't think you can live a peaceful life after giving in to violence" but he was wrong. And he was also wrong about Superman.
@@Nope-bl3ig Reminds me of "Only a Sith deals in absolutes". To this day, feels like a cointoss on whether it's self-aware and poignant, or just Obi-Wan saying things to motivate a fightscene.
If you're referring to Bill's speech about Superman in Vol 2 Tarantino wrote that specifically to characterize Bill as a heartless person who can only see power and strength and can't understand why someone, like the Bride, would ever give up the life she had with him unless she was just lying to herself
What you didn't mention in your opening is that Shadiversity became an anti-woke alt-right grifter a few years back, and currently almost exclusively makes videos shitting on every single film release he can find
28:04 😂He can not be serious! Krypto being in the trailer has already attracted the wider audience!, this movie is not just going to be for the nerds audience, but for the the kids that has cancer, the dog lover families, the people who don't have much time to live, the people who just want to escape this real world.
My sister who is not much of a DC fan. She has always preferred Marvel as do I, but I like Superman and Batman and follow their comics. Anyway when she saw Krypto in the Superman trailer at the theater she litterally got so excited, because we used to watch the Krypto cartoon on Cartoon Network back when we were kids.
Superman is at his best when he struggles because DC is gods trying to be men. Superman fights not because he is a god and can stop all threats but because he fights threats that can harm him. Shad doesn't want Superman...he wants Injustice Superman or Homelander, a god who isn't humanized. Superman is also at his best by being humanized and vulnerable because it removes the image of Superman just being a god.
Agreed the best Superman stories is when struggle to with his humanity try to live up to the ideas of both set of parents. My favorite Superman story is For the Man Who Has Everything is one of the best episodes of Justice League.
If I, someone who was scared of dogs as a kid, is completely fine with Krypto being in this film, it says allot that Shad thinks it's a terrible idea to put something that's part of Superman's history. Like, most humans love dogs, it's a good thing to put in to show us that this take on the character will show us much more than just Superman being a powerful being. It's why we see shots like Clark speaking with Pa Kent, it shows that he's just as relatable for us non-meta humans. His origins may be amongst the stars, but his home is here on Earth
Agreed that Gunn seems to know how to really build a world. His DC Universe already feels more lived in than the one that existed for a decade and had a ton of movies in it. It's about laying the groundwork for expansion. You can give us breadcrumbs without having Superman, Wonder Woman, and Batman fighting Doomsday in your second film, lol.
Shad, like most who lean hard right, like to present themselves as intelligent but continue to prove they have no clue what they are talking about. He thinks, because he talks about medieval weaponry, that makes him an expert on everything. I mean he's a terrible author who throws temper tantrums that his books don't sell, and he's also pissy because he doesn't understand how UA-cam works, and thinks he is shadow banned because the algorithm isn't putting him on top all the time like he thinks he deserves.
First rule of a movie- if possible include a dog, people love dogs. Meanwhile Shad here is acting like some alien who cannot conceive human emotions "dogs...people like dogs?" Yes shad, entire John Wick movie was about a dude mowing down people because they killed his dog and entire audience went like "understandable sir, kill them all"
25:50 yeah, but jonathan kent's heart attack is one of the most important moments in clark's story. "even with all his power he can't save everyone" and all that
Shad thinks in a way too practical way that disregards mental and tonal influences that can change the practicality of something. Say his whole nunchuck thing, the big thing about it is the intimidation factor of the weapon and how you can’t easily block it. For this film, Krypto works cause the tone of the movie allows it, you won’t see Snyder’s Sup have a dog, it l doesn’t fit the tone and thus lacks the verisimilitude. This movie tho with its bright colors and bigger than life feel and more positive tone is perfect for the pupper to come in
If Shad actually grew up loving superman in the cartoons and movies, i.e. he turns 40 this year, so this means mostly the Christopher Reeve movies and the DCAU, Smallville and Lois & Clark, like most of us old millennials. And if he loved those superman depictions rather than some deconstruction/fanfiction he wrote in his head about them (possibly due to functional media illiteracy, completely misunderstanding the clear depictions in front of him because he is either incompetent at understanding media or that is what he wanted to anyway). There is no way someone who loves how superman is actually depicted in those pieces of media, there is no way this trailer wouldn't make him optimistic for the film. He feels very DCAU. I will make a few comments on break down in response to this as I go.
13:00 ish. Man, the DCAU in particular had a thing for physically challenging superman, and putting him in a prone position... just to then still manage to pull a win (often with help of his Justice League pals, team works make the dream work, which is a core part of supes in any medium, he cares about people, and like some form of cosmic karma, people care about him - sure he is a scary "all powerful (not really)" alien who could kill us all, but he is OUR scary allien. For anyone who doesnt know the character, all they hear is how powerful he is, so starting with him actually wounded and beaten is intriguing, it begs the question how that happens... which is exactly the bloody job of a TEASER ffs. For those who do know and love the character, sure there is that too, but it is also a way to make us actual fans give a shit right away "look at what they did to OUR boy (scout)!"
14:50 those 9 are only the more recent ones since hte late 90s. We also have two Kirk Alyn's 15 part short movie serieals, and one movie with George Reeves shortly after. And of course this is all excluding live action in tv.
37:50 ish. Shad sounds like he never ever watched literally any sort of action movie, much less read a comic book, or watched any of the well regarded superhero-esque movies, animations (including anime) or anything related. Or he is lying through his teeth to try and make a gfit, only two options, both suck. Let's take a very famous example, Goku. Every. Single. Major. Obstacle. it is the same thing - we Goku maybe starts on strong (but not always), then gets beaten and broken to borderline hopelessness... which just make his comeback and ultiamte victory much more satisfying. Tao pai pai, Tien, King Picollo, Picollo "jr", Raditz, Vegeta and Nappa, Freeza, or Majin Buu. I don't need to talk about Dragon Ball/DBZ's fame, people don't like the Gary Stu Shad seems to want superman to be portrayed as, they the drama, they like the ups and downs, emotional and visual action roller costers are fun, this bs he is defending is fun only for people who need to touch grass so much they probably should just go and eat some, which would also force them to get their heads out of their butts which they also need to do.
41:38 I can't remember who I got this from, but that throwing can on superman scene is important. He is supposedlyb this scary being due to his superpowers, yet people feel still safe enough around him to throw stuff at him and be sure he won't just laser eyes them to death homelander style. You're right, this is reconstruction, and this brief scene says a lot without a word.
Superman IS NOT A GOD. that’s what’s so frustrating about Shad and people like him. They think Superman is Superman. Superman is goddamn CLARK KENT. He isn’t a god among us mortals here to judge and protect , he was raised in fricking Kansas and is just a good person.
It's pretty clear that Shad never read Byrne's reboot of Superman back in the mid-1980s after the CRISIS miniseries rebooted the DC Universe. Byrne made it clear that Superman is just a disguise used by Clark so he can use his powers to help others. And Clark--despite finding out that he was adopted and that he was from another planet--still thinks of himself as a human and wants to protect this planet.
I can't help but think of Spiderman 2 and the train scene in regards to a hero being absolutely battered but is still absolutely triumphant and a paragon of the people. Vulnerability does not make a hero less inspirational because they stand up to evil regardless of the odds, they inspire hope and with every breath they take they will keep on trying. People like Shad are only entertained by the spectacle of a one sided fight where Superman's physcial strength is his inspiration to the people not his drive to help them.
superhero movie: shows the hero struggling, like _literally every other superhero movie to ever exist._
shadiversity: "is this deconstruction?"
Thank you for saying this!
Superman 78 is deconstructionist because they used kruptonite as his weak point and he had to learn to trust one of his enemies to help hom
Zach Snyder Superman snapping a neck though, that wasn't.
Like the butterfly meme?
Shad consistently shows that he has zero media literacy and does not even know what half the terms he uses actually mean
If Shad says that Krypto won't bring normies into theaters, then he must have slept through the debut of Baby Yoda in 2019.
Or the League of Super-Pets movie.
or the last 30,000 years of humans in general.
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Exactly. Lots of people LOVE dogs.
I never understood the whole “people don’t know krypto” thought, there was literally a super pets movie with him like a year or 2 ago and I remember a pretty popular krypto show when I was a kid in the early/mid 2000s
I literally didn't care, but I saw Krypto and actually got a little interested in it. Like, one of the Robins had a Batcow for a while, let Superman have his dog.
I think "Shad wants a Mary Sue" is pretty on brand.
When a female character accomplishes anything, he complains they are a "Mary Sue." and so we should hate that character.
Any time a male character is anything other than shallow wish-fullfilment power fantasy, he complains that the character needs to possess more of the traits people associate with Mary Sues.
He's unbelievably shallow. His lack of self-awareness is legendary.
And I think his idea of Justice and the masculine ideal is "kills" Yeah, he'd say it was because it's meant to protect, but also... violence is always justified against evil doers. It's a very Old Testament view on it.
Mary Sue is supposed to be an overly perfect auctorial self Insert though. Meaning to apply it to a movie would only be correct if the director saw himself in the figure.
Regarding shad it's spot on though. That whiny little incel IS trying to self Insert the hero he wants to be seen as into the story, which would turn out to be as depressingly shallow, empty and uninspiring as everything else he touches.
Its really telling about shad's mindset that upon seeing the first shot of superman crashing into the snow his responce is to say he's weak, deafeated, battered. His first responce is to call him a weak pathetic loser whereas when i saw it my first thought is empathy. I thought "oh no, superman, what happened?" And as it went on i was rooting for him to not give up.
Shad sees a bloody superman and judges him instead of having empathy or compasion and thinks he is not someone worthy of idolization. That is just such a perfect example of toxic masculinity
I was all the way with you, but then you had to mention some generic crap like toxic masculinity…listen I’ve heard female channels I follow shit on the superman trailer for the same reasons as Shad…having a lack of empathy has NOTHING to do with gender and you actually saying that it does IS toxic.
Do you follow the logic here?
Shows that he's not a true Superman fan if it doesn't align with his own biases.
This is such a great point that made me reevaluate my initial thoughts on the scene. I believe it was along the lines of "Holy sh*t! What could have done this?!" which then led to theories of what it could be and how it would be great to see Superman overcome whatever has been able to put him in this state. Never a thought of Supes being "weak" or "pathetic." I know he's strong, this just implies to me that he's facing something even *stronger*.
Me personally, I’m not that empathetic myself, so I thought “Damn! Who out here beat Superman’s ass? I hope he recovers FAST.”
Also, and this is kind of non-sequitor,
but it James ever introduces Doomsday in the distant future and kills Superman via coming to Earth to duke it out, I hope in its a triquel to Legacy at earliest.
Whenever I see Superman "defeated" in a trailer or in an image, I go "Holy shit, what could've done THAT?"
Shad doesn’t want Superman he wants Homelander, because the latter only want to project strength whereas the former wants to help people
Why would he want Homelander over Superman? Making these accusations isn't going anywhere.
Its not that he wants Homelander its that he wants SUPERman rather than superMAN
That sounds extreme
Pretty much any Superman can beat Homelander because Superman can actually strategise and work with a team rather than just using heatvision and being intimidating. Hell, Pluto the Superdog could run rings around Homelander.
Homelander was a darling of the right wing before they realized (far, far too late for comfort) that The Boys was making fun of them and he wasn't the good guy. I think it's not an unreasonable hypothesis.
So like... is this the first time Shad's ever seen a movie trailer? Because showing the hero defeated is pretty common, especially in franchise action movies. It makes the viewer think, "Wow, I know the kind of things this guy's fought before, so I have to see what did THIS to him, and how he's able to overcome it!" Off the top of my head, see also: Iron Man 3, The Dark Knight Rises, Infinity War, Ant-Man 3. Admittedly some of those missed the mark, but the trailers got people hyped.
Also to look at a cute dog in a red cape and think "This is stupid, nobody wants this," instead of, "Oh god, they're going to sell so much merch," really shows how out of touch he is.
Also krypto in live action is something a lot of people wanted
He's reacted to the Mario trailer, and he cried woke.
@@kasaibouF29of course he did
As someone who is vary immused in Shadiversity Drama let me tell you...
There will never be a more perfect combo than Shad and bad trailer reactions
It's not even action movies. Cars 3 of all films did this to attract audiences by showing Lightning McQueen in the middle of a crash.
Apparently Shad is unaware of the heroic ideal of someone who gets back up no matter how many times they get knocked down. An idea that shows up in Superman stories.
Shad must hates Spider-Man, because that’s his thing in the comics
This means Shad also hates Chumbawumba
@@themysteriousmista4922
He also must hate Captain America, Batman, Daredevil, Black Panther, etc.
@@chincluckeris that a Star Wars character?
@ It's a band
Shadoversity is like the literal human embodiment of Scar, as opposed to his golden haired, much more handsome brother, Jazza/Mufasa. And this undeniable comparison to his golden brother has broken his mind. His brother is a hugely successful artist and shad released a whole hour long rant about why his own AI artwork is just as hard and complicated as actual art. Such a bitter , sad dude
Except Scar is also a fabulous bi icon.
I feel like it’s an insult to Scar for him to be compared to Shad
All of Shad’s public persona and behaviors are because he despises and envies his brother that much.
Counterpoint: Scar is a fun character to watch. Thus, Shad is nothing like him.
I was knocked the fuck over by the knowledge that jazza was his brother.
"It is the immigrant story" so in other words, Superman was always woke. Those darn Kryptonians always poisoning the blood of our nation.
No one tell these reactionaries that Superman was made by a Jewish man.
Superman in the 30s and 40s fought corrupt bosses, landlords, and the KKK.
Superman _was_ always woke.
@nondescriptcat5620
Most art turns out to be "woke" if you take an honest look at it. There were Jewish people and gay people in Hollywood who found ways to put anti-racist and anti-homophonic messages in movies even in the 50s, for instance, and of course Star Trek was always woke, the notion of people criticizing the latest Star Trek incarnations for being too leftist is laughable.
I think there are a couple things going on. 1) Creative people tend to be progressive, because they can imagine a better world, and 2) Progressive messages, despite how propaganda has turned so many people against progressivism, naturally resonate with human beings, and so (well done) "woke" art just tends to be better (note better doesn't mean always good, in an age where everything is slop it will still be slop).
The difference is that back in the day, the messages were obscured by just enough separation from the actual politics of the day, and the art was actually well made, making it easy for reactionaries to not notice and just appreciate the art. Nowadays, the perfect storm of reactionaries becoming entirely consumed by their political grievances and media being reduced to soulless corporate cash grabs has made it so that the same "woke" messages that were already there are just more visiblely political
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UA-camr Steve Shives has been banging the drum that Superman has been woke for decades. Yet, the Superman is a neocon icon (see Homelander) persists.
“Those damn kyrptonians taking the jobs from true hardworking vigilantes”
There are sadly way too many people who call themselves fans of Superman yet fail to grasp that the "man" part of the moniker matters so much more than the "Super" part.
In their pursuit of great, they could not fathom good...
True.
They missed the part where Superman saved a girl from unaliving herself. No use of powers to save her. Just listening and being there for her
@@Gchildwarrior
Your comment reminds me of Steve Shives' excellent video "* Why Does Superman Need to Save the Cat?"
So many "fans" miss that Superman is Superman because of his empathy and compassion not his godlike power.
@@TheVeritas1 I need to check that vid out.
I guess "fans" just want punchy punchy fights and they go blind at other parts 🤣
Many people call themselves fans but are really just interested in pushing the idea that diversity and "leftism" are destroying culture.
7:42
"I'm an old school Superman fan."
Oh, I see.
"I haven't read the comics."
Oh, I see.
i really thought his head would explode when that bit was on, but alas, sadly, it did not.
i'm pretty sure mine would if i said some dumbassery like that.
Only a true fan reads the comics.
@@Ubermensch9240I don’t know if you are being sarcastic, because a person can be a true fan in any way that they like.
The issue is when someone comments critically on a topic, while ignoring the origins and context of the topic. Shad doesn’t have to read every comic before he comments, but he acts like an authority on Superman, while barely scratching the surface of any actual Superman media.
His idea of a good Superman film is one where there is no Clark Kent, Kent farm, or secondary characters, and Superman is a golden god who faces no real challenges from beginning to end and punches all his problems. That sounds like a boring film.
@@mduncl Yeah, it's not about what you read/watch exactly, its about understanding the core appeal and world of the character. If you liked watching Supes be a big blue boy scout in any of the movies or TV shows, if you love the wholesome vibes of his family life and the ways he represents empathy and absolute kindness, you're a Superman fan because that's everything the guy represents. If you like that, you like him doesn't matter where you saw it.
Shad clearly doesn't like that side of the character with his complaints about Krypto and Lois, like the goofiness and wacky aspects of Superman are literally part of the core appeal of the character. It's like getting upset at anime having exaggerated character designs and over-the-top action, that's exactly why everyone else is here and the fact that you're complaining shows how little you know about this space
@@mduncl Boring film would be bad enough on its own, but that movie would miss the mark of what Superman is that it's not even a Superman film anymore unless we're talking about an obscure and probably really bad Elseworlds story.
Another point that Shad missed with Krypto coming to save Superman is that it's also metatextual. Superman has been beaten down by the previous film adaptations, and here comes Krypto to help him out and get him better.
What an interesting way to view that opening sequence!
HE’S IN THE MOVIE? The DOGG??? Hell yeah, I haven’t seen anything about this new movie.
Man's best friend saves the SuperMAN.
Even Retro Blasting picked up on that.
@@ChazMcRich1yes, we're getting Krypto the Superdog in live action! Genuinely, seeing him in the trailer gave me a level of hype I didn't know I could reach, I'm so happy we're embracing the goofy parts of Supes and letting this movie feel bright and hopeful
Saying that "his book is not so good" is like saying nuclear bomb is "kind of dangerous" and chihuaha is "kind of unstable"
😅
Shad's notion that Gunn's Superman is the "deconstructionist" one is baffling, just one of the worst, most objectively wrong-headed bits of media criticism I've ever seen.
Why do people use words without knowing what they mean? No wonder he puts so much stock in AI
@@NangkeDrawsstuff Ironically, ChatGPT had this to say;
"Yes, Zack Snyder's portrayal of Superman in Man of Steel (2013) and Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) can be described as "deconstructionist."
In traditional superhero narratives, characters like Superman are often idealized as paragons of virtue and justice. However, Snyder's take on Superman challenges this idealization, offering a more grounded, morally complex version of the character. The films explore the consequences of his immense power, the impact of his arrival on Earth, and the existential and philosophical questions surrounding his role in a world that is often uncertain or hostile toward him.
The deconstructionist approach here strips away some of the optimism and simplicity typically associated with Superman, showing him grappling with the burden of being different and the weight of responsibility. Instead of being an unquestioned symbol of hope, Snyder's Superman is more nuanced, unsure of his place in the world, and often facing public fear and distrust, which complicates his journey as a hero.
In essence, Snyder's Superman isn't just a perfect, unflawed hero-he's a character who must deal with the human and moral implications of his god-like status, which is a hallmark of a deconstructionist approach to superhero storytelling."
Even a mindless bot is more insightful than Shad.
He just knows it's a buzz word the anti-woke brigade rally against.
@@kallisto9166Tbf, that’s because ChatGPT is plagiarizing the people who actually made those points
@@Gloomdrake Well of course it does, that's how it works. It plagiarised every word it ever wrote. I'm not saying that there's anything meaningful about ChatGPT's output, I just think it's funny.
"This music is manipulative" my man have you watched any movie
Yes Shad, it is manipulative, but we call that 'Marketing.' You're always being manipulated...
Also when you really break down storytelling as a concept, it really does just boil down to emotional manipulation for the sake of entertainment/relaying a message
The thing about the first image of Superman being broken also reads as a metaphor commentary. “Yeah he’s had some rough few years the last time we tried this.” And it ends with him rising above that. Basically “we will wash away the past DCEU and what it did to him and he will be better.”
Yeah, the structure of this trailer and it's seemingly intentional responses to what Superman has been on screen in the past is lost on 90% of people in the comments. It's intentional and a DIRECT comment on how he's been treated by "fans", the media/critics, and just in popular culture in general. Beaten battered and bruised; the first thing we hear Superman say is "take me home", then cut to a series of images that evoke nothing less that pure Silver Age Superman. Beautiful.
@@ColumbiaBeet Yeah. And sometimes narratives just happen. Because Man of Steel and BvS happened then later that same year he debuted in Supergirl on the CW. Had well received guest appearances on the "lesser" medium (TV) and superhero house at the time (DC). Then picked up enough steam for a spin off about an End of Career Superman at the same time getting an animated "beginning of career" that were both well received. Seemingly climbing back up. Then Superman and Lois does something no Superman media could ever do. End Superman. In a well received way a few months before this movie which feels like the culmination of all that climbing. You couldn't ask for a better meta narrative than that.
Am I crazy, or does it seem like Shad is confusing the concept of "desconstructing" Superman (critically examining the Superman mythos and analyzing why it works, its strengths, its shortcomings, etc) with "destroying" Superman, as in like, literally destroying, killing, or merely injuring him etc.
I mean, Superman being injured is not (by itself) any form of deconstruction of the character or the mythos, it's literally just a basic aspect of pretty much any Superman story. I can't think of a single Superman story in which he isn't injured or at least tested in some serious way. But it seems like Shad sees Superman being injured and goes "James Gunn is going to deconstruct Superman" and it really feels like he doesn't understand what the word "deconstruct" actually means...
I already had a pretty low opinion of Shad's level of media literacy, but if he truly is mixing up "deconstruction" with "destruction", then he's even worse at this than I thought 🤷
While that is funny, I don't think it's actually what's happening here. I think the truth is far more boring.
Conservative dogma currently mandates that any and all deconstructive media is bad (and possibly woke) which means every conservative commentator has to tow that line. Unfortunately, like with all things they get angry about on the regular, they never actually learned what it is, so they're incapable of identifying it in the media they're critiquing. In this case, Shad has picked up that portraying heroes as downtrodden or unable to properly deal with the forces thrown at them is a thing that often happens in deconstructive media, so here he saw something that kind of looked like that and assumed it must be deconstructing Superman. Still very silly, but not quite on the level that you were suggesting lol.
It is a trend recently of "Desconstruction" without understanding of what should be Build after (Snyder is a great example)
I don't it's what's happening here at all, but it does happen
Deconstruction is also growing movement for people raised in religion who are questioning the validity of their leaders and institutions
Shad doesnt believe in questioning and analyzing ideas, so to him, those may as well be the same.
the dude says he's an old school fan and that he haven't read the comics in the same breath. I dont think shadi the teenage shark is an honest person, they just repeat fascist talking points like it owes them money.
Ugh I hate “why is he beat up in the opening,” criticism that people like shad make. The extremely overt symbolism just blows right over their heads. Superman is quite literally starting the trailer at his lowest point, and by the end of the trailer, we see him triumphantly rising, onwards and upwards.
Something something death of media literacy something something
People tend to forget a trailer is made to build interest and be dramatic.
12:10 you know, a common thing I hear from people who don't like superman is "I can't connect with a character that is all powerful", which to me has always sounded like a writing issue on the part of those introducing us to superman rather than a conceptual flaw. In this opening shot, Gunn is aiming to dispel that idea right away while also adding some form of intrigue: what could be so powerful as to make superman look like frigging yamcha? It humanized a character that a lot of audiences have felt is just a clunky Jesus metaphor for too long.
So I find it funny that shad is like "NO, I WANT SUPERMAN TO BE ALL POWERFUL AND FOR MOST PEOPLE TO FAIL TO GET THE CORE OF HIS CHARACTER"
Wait a minute
Didn't Shadiversity (or people like him) bash overpowered female characters by calling them obvious power fantasies? That critique is conveniently gone for Superman...
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Shad is obviously sexist and hypocritical.
Yeah that's where I always feel where people start to show they only want a action film with no character.
I mean from what I have gathered by reading a few JL comics Superman does have flaws and actually relatable aspects and interesting character aspects.
Funny, my father (proud russian) once said: "Only Americans could make up a figure like Superman. Too lazy to lift themselves up, they have to invent a fairytale creature as their symbol of hope. There is nothing heroic, if you have magical powers that makes you better than everyone else. True heroism is about going out there and taming the wild, beating a world that beats you down every chance it gets."
@@aureliodeprimus8018 Your father is the GOAT
Feels like Shad doesn’t want Superman to be a comic book movie. Also, and I can’t stress this enough, it’s so annoying that he keeps repeating ”broken and defeated Superman”. We get it. He’s broken and defeated. We know. We have eyes
Dude phrases it like Superman has never been K.O'd in the comics.
@@kwayneboy1524Or maimed, or killed, or banished to another universe, or banished to an apocalyptic future, or any number of other outcomes stemming from the fact that *he lost a fight.*
@@kwayneboy1524 well Shad, by his own admission, has never read the comics, so how would he know that? After all he's a "big fan" of Superman...though that doesn't seem to extend to reading the _source material_ at all.
Literally Shad knows SQUAT about Superman.
@@Skye_Writer Well the thing is that he said he watched the cartoons and the movies and he has been killed, hypnotized, brainwashed, beaten and banished to the end of time in those as well (though not all at once) so he would know if he actually paid attention or tried to understand that a super-powerful character is made interesting by the turmoil and suffering he overcomes, not by how high or fast he flies or how hard he punches stuff.
Even One-Punch Man knows this and it's superficially a gag mange.
He wants a toy commercial
Superman is NOT a god. He’s an immigrant who tries to make a difference in the world using his powers. He may have infinite power sure but he is no god.
"I have concerns" is Shad-speak for "I couldn't borrow the Right's collective brain cell long enough to wrap my head around it..."
He doesn't know what the reactionary narrative will be yet so he deliberately keeps it vague, so that later on he can rally behind some bullshit non-issue and pretend that's what he was so concerned about all the time
According to those who have reviewed Shad’s book, his main character is always cool and never defeated, so it tracks that he has no idea that people like to see the hero struggle.
Also, Shad not realizing the music he was hating at the beginning for being flashy was the original Superman theme the entire time is hilarious.
My guess is that Shad is a fan of The Rock...
@@rubenduenas5881 Can't be, The Rock's skin is too dark
As a kid, the Superman media I was most familiar with, was the Krypto the Superdog cartoon. And once I saw he was in this trailer, it made me so excited, and single handedly convinced me this is a movie I needed to see.
I have very fond memories of that show. So stoked to see Krypto here.
hard same, i liked the ones where he teamed up with batmans dog lmao
Omg same!! Everytime i see/hear Krypto's name, i think of the show's theme even all these years later lmao.
For me it was Krypto too, then The Batman, but what really got me into Superman was Superman Doomsday and Justice League: The New Frontier.
Shad doesn't understand Superman and I wouldn't expect him to because he doesn't have a great amount of empathy or compassion.
I mean, he's a conservative so that's a given.
Because he's unfamiliar with the comics, Shad can't recognise one of the most common comic book tropes; the hero defeated. It is incredibly common for the cover of a superhero comic to feature the hero on his knees, broken, defeated or even dead. This is supposed to make you wonder how Superman gets out of this situation, so you buy the comic to find out. Over the years the covers of Superman comics have shown him getting beaten up by Lex Luthor, getting beaten up by Lois, getting beaten up by Jimmy, getting beaten up by a dragon, getting beaten up by tiny green men, getting beaten up by empty clothing, getting beaten up by a giant ant, getting beaten up by a little kid, getting beaten up by a gorilla, getting beaten up by a different gorilla, getting beaten up by yet another gorilla (comics really loved gorillas back in the day), getting beaten up by himself and getting beaten up by multiple versions of himself as well as depicting him being dead multiple times (even before Death of Superman) and one where he's being ridden like a bronco by a pervy cowboy. Those are all real covers.
The point is, showing a defeated Superman is not new, has been common since the Silver Age and is particularly common as an opening hook used to intrigue the audience. Shad thinks that his unfamiliarity with the source material doesn't matter and can be hand waved away, but it leaves him open to missing obvious tropes of the genre like this one.
I don't even think it's a comic book trope. Isn't just an action story trope? Shit Captain America catchphrase in the Mcu is "I can do it all day."
doesn't superman get beat upin the classic christopher reeves movies? the point of superheroes isn't that they never face dangers or difficulties, it's that they face superhuman dangers and difficulties. superman isn't a steven seagal character
Yeah like look at almost any fcking comic book cover. It's a trope to get reader's attention
I’m not a big Superman fan, I’m a normie about him, and Krypto is the reason I’m interested in this movie lmao. I see super doggie, and I’m locked in
Seriously, Krypto is just the best of boys.
I'm not sure Shad even knows what deconstruction is, which is a bit shocking as he fancies himself a writer.
for reactionaries, "deconstruction" is just another way to say "cultural Bolshevism."
That's not surprising at all if you see Shad's writing as an extension of his LARPing
@@nondescriptcat5620 Borrowed Observation: "**sigh** It also means 'Jews'..."
Tbf, he's a pretty terrible writer.
At this point "woke" is far more overused than "Nazi" was in it's hayday
Nazi is even underused today.
And ‘ironically’ the not see accusations mostly ended up to be true, if global political trends are to be believed.
Whereas very few people are woke in the classic sense or even all that much in the modern sense
@nenafan1 Modern usages of the word 'woke' are far more agregious than Nazi. Woke, at it's inception, was far more related to conspiracy and society. People would be "woke" to the goings on of the world. In comparison, Nazi can be applied to modern talking points, not in the least because Neo-Nazis are a real thing, just not Uber prevalent because Nazi ideology is (rightly) considered to be a bad thing
@@christianvondruska8244
I appreciate the elucidation, but that was basically what I was getting at.
I would ague against your use of ‘conspiracy,’ though.
It was those who saw how the average African American was made to live back in the day, as far as I’m aware.
No c o n s p i r a c y needed, just acknowledging reality.
@nenafan1 Sorry, that's what I was getting at, just did a horrible job of conveying it. Basically just that "woke" as it is used now is nothing like it's meant to be used for
Shad's understanding of storytelling is so close to none it's amazing
it might actually be negative. he un-understands.
I swear the grifters have lost the ability to have any genuine sense of fun anymore, the only “fun” they seem to have is enjoying seeing others suffer
@User-Wizard
That's been true of grifters for decades if not centuries.
Shad is as much of an expert on story as he is on art.
@@Grogeous_MaximusStories are a kind of art, so that makes sense.
"Superman should always be powerful and strong, and never face any challenges, and he gets all the girls" Makes sense after seeing his own writing, he's so immature.
For real, Shad has zero self awareness
Drinking game: Every time Shad says “DEFEATED and BROKEN” take a shot. (Hopefully Ant’s interruptions should be enough to make sure you don’t die of over drinking)
Sounds like Shad just wants to watch an AMV comprised of "badass Superman moments" and have that be the movie instead...
Why do I get the feeling that Shad applauded when Snyder’s Superman killed a guy by smashing his body through a series of brick walls at the beginning of BvS?
It’s been funny and sweet to see nearly everyone prove Shad’s point about Krypto putting “normal” people off the movie wrong with the near-universal praise of the choice to put him in the movie.
I could see the choice getting more pushback a decade or two ago, but it seems like more and more people would agree with what I said in my super chat during the original livestream: Bring on the silly little guys!
The MCU has made the public more comfortable with silly elements appearing in superhero movies. This is why James Gunn was free to make Rocket Raccoon a main character in the GOTG films.
So, plenty of normal people are cool with Krypton the Super Dog. It's the self-conscious, anti-woke types like Shad who have issues with the character.
@@TheVeritas1Never trust a dog hater
I think it just goes to show how it seems irony is more normalized than sincerity
55:30 The Death of Superman isn't a deconstruction but the Reign of the Supermen kind of is. You've got Superboy the Superman who didn't have parents to bring him up right and is reckless and kinda a jerk, Steel the man who takes moral responsibility on himself, Eradicator the alien without the human and then Cyborg who is the power of Superman being used for pretty revenge and tyranny.
Revenge is so pretty, no wonder all the guys want it
To clarify for anyone not in the know, the Cyborg mention in the comment is the Cyborg Superman, Hank Henshaw, not the superhero Cyborg.
DC's version of Reed Richards got a pretty radical make-over ngl.
“Trailers can lie completely” is definitely him covering his ass for the possibility of the film being really good so he can just say “Oh the trailer lied to me” instead of “I never said I was pissed off that she was wearing pants”.
I'll never understand why everyone refuses to use the term "Gary Stu," despite the fact that _most_ of the characters who exhibit those traits are male. In fact if you google Marry Sue + DC, one of the top results will be fanart of that scene where Batman dodged the Omega Beams.
Mary Sue is more SEO friendly.
because mary sue is a literary term just like straight man. Lois from family guy is the straight man for Peter's shenanigans, her being a woman doesn't change the name of the term
@@agramuglia more like Mary SEO.
@@666FallenShadow I find it interesting that the term is female coded when the point of this post was that a lot of the prominent "mary-sues" have actually been male. Why do the women get singled out?
It's pretty funny too, seeing as Flash couldn't shake off Darkseid's Omega Beams; And has to resort to vibrating so hard he phases through objects, to avoid it.
But Batman just said "Skill issue" and abused the I-Frames of his dodgeroll to avoid the Omega Beam. AND EVEN IF HE IS HIT, IT DOESN'T FUCKING KILL HIM
Ok, second comment now that I'm further in, why is he complaining that Clark kisses Lois before going out to save the day or do Superman things? Like, he does know that's a super common trope in superhero fiction that the hero kisses their significant other before going out to save the day?
He’s either faking a controversy to get engagement or he’s too emotionally stunted to accept that a hero can be vulnerable.
If his book is anything to go by, it's the latter rather than the former. He's just that media illiterate.
Shad think that Homelander is what Superman should be. I wonder what he would say if he learned that Superman went after a lobbies in his first appearance.
For the trailer itself: I'm not crying, I'm chopping onions.
Brother the trailer is so good I legit watched that trailer 14 times I NEED this movie in my veins already lmao
Haven't been this excited from a superhero teaser trailer since The Joker
>I'm not crying, I'm chopping onions.
_At night?_
Im not even a fan of Superman & this was still infuriating to me.
Making up issues. Setting up contradictory expectations.
Hate of Crypto cause too silly.
Also, the "for what we would want out of a Superman film" nonsense.
Who is "we" there, Shad? Cause it doesn't sound like it stands for Superman fans
Maybe he is speaking french
I can sorta understand someone thinking that Krypto is too silly to be included in a Superman movie that is trying to be an overall serious narrative. I disagree entirely with that take, but I can at least see someone genuinely holding that opinion.
What I don't get is how Shad can look into the camera and say, with a straight face: "Regular audiences aren't going to be swayed to see the movie when they see Krypto the Superdog." Like.... Hello!? Last I checked people love dogs, and a faithful dog companion who Superman can rely on when times are tough sounds like exactly what the average person wants to see in a Superman film.
I can agree with not liking this iteration of Krypto. But I don't like wirey haired dogs and would have preferred he be depicted as the standard retriever-esque dog he usually is. Even seeing a wirey haired dog makes my teeth itch. 😬
@@primalycia Why teeth? 🤨
@ It's my best way to describe the feeling. Certain things make my teeth itch, and you can't itch teeth.
When I was learning how to write Mon stories (aka anything that has kind of a monster element akin to Pokemon), one of the tips i got ages ago from a Pokemon forum was that to make people care for the mons, whether it be your own creatures or when writing a Pokemon and Digimon fanfic (and this can apply to any Mon genre), they need to have some sort of moment that establishes the bond between the creature and the human/trainer stand-in. Example is the famous Ash is willing to sacrifice himself for his Pikachu who throughout the first episode had been nothing but a jerk to him, but then Pikachu saves Ash from the hundreds of Spearows.
These same tips apllied to pet characters.
Krypto is doing just that, he's saving Superman. He's establishing the close bond he has with Superman immediately and he's doing his best to help him out during his lowest point. And at this point Superman depends on him and Krypto is probably the only one who can help him.
Couple of things that struck me as funny:
1. Shad - like so many of these guys - is so scared of ever watching a movie that doesn't conform to his every exact personal belief that he's scouring a trailer for signs of ideological non-compliance so he can pre-emptively whine about it. Everything these wimps accuse the "woke" of is projection.
2. "I don't care about James Gunn or the movies he's directed before." You don't care about who the director of a movie is, what his track record is? You're over-analyzing a teaser trailer, but ignoring something that actually does have salience to what the movie is going to be like? Man, go back to imagining what medieval combat was like based on your backyard "reconstructions."
I feel like Shad is the last person we should listen to on how the creation of two working class Jewish sci fi nerds should be handled
i suspect that shad's "core of Superman" boils down to "he the strongest and he punch hardest."
same as the snyderbros when you listen to them that's basically all they care about.
I.e literally the most uninteresting part about Superman.
Reactionary liars like Shad always open up their videos, on the Superman trailer saying g that generally people think k it looks "alright" or whatever. When most people are excited
Shad needs to just not watch this movie. He's angry that this is not the power fantasy he's built up in his mind around Superman.
Shad's "analysis" is akin to me doing an entire critique of the Creed trailer without ever fully watching the whole Rocky-verse. As a huge Superman fan, Shad's critique physically made me angry.
Shad not being American or even a Westerner probably also adds to his misunderstanding of Superman because he's only seen out culture from the outside. He doesn't understand the role Superman has played in American history or western pop culture for the past century. He just wants a strong man character but Superman leads with kindness and is a beacon of hope for downtrodden people.
nah, he is just media illiterate, his shitty book pretty much cemented that fact for me.
There are figures in American conservative media (Fox News, RedState, etc.) who don't get Superman.
I mean im neither but Superman is pretty big everywhere
@@BlueDaisy33I was gonna say I don’t think there’s an explanation for Shad other than he just doesn’t know things. I also thought Australia was western lol
“The West” does also include Australia and New Zealand, and Superman is pretty big everywhere. He’s simply not a fan of comic books, and doesn’t read them as opposed to what he claims.
The man who wrote Shadow of the Conqueror is the last person who should be giving writing advice
I genuinely didn't know about Batcow. Also makes it kinda funny how I now know of Batdog and Batcow but not an Actual Bat companion for Batman.
Bat bat sounds too silly
@@ovbrook3057 Batmanbat
We instead have Man-Bat.
Cough Man Bat cough
As a fan of medieval history, martial arts, and HEMA, it's a damn shame seeing how far Shadiversity's fallen.
He's not actually a Hema expert and never was, most of what he used to talk about was just shit he made up bc he thought it sounded right, now he's just another grifter
He doesn't even know that much about history. And some of what he does know seems colored by his political opinions.
I watched him a bit back when he did primarily medieval stuff, but even back then he kept going on about things like how "this is how they ACTUALLY held their bows. None of the historical researchers agree with me, but they're all wrong." Trying to one-up people who have studied those things for their entire life with a few paintings he happened to find that kinda look that way if you squint a bit and ignore any other explanation of and also the fact that he personally found it easier to aim that way.
@@kentknightofcaelin4537 closer to what he believes to be historical is based on his political ideology
Shadiverstiy, the guy who's protagonist in his book is a one-dimensional and psychotic Mary Sue, wants every superhero to be a one-dimensional and psychotic Mary Sue?
Who would've thought...
Shad doesn't want DC's Superman, he wants Nietsche's Superman.
He wants Homelander from The Boys.
What's the difference between DC Superman and Neitche's Superman?
@@excusezmoi9823Nietzsche’s Superman is a concept with multiple interpretations, but I’ll give just one. In Thus Spoke Zarathustra, Zarathustra proclaims the Superman will be to humanity what humanity is to apes. Nietzsche was trying to make a purpose for humanity that didn’t involve any supernatural forces. His Superman was the goal he came up with for humanity to strive towards.
I’d have a small correction in this, Nietzsche’s Übermensch is translated to “Overman” but yeah, I see your point
If your superman doesn't seem like the kind of guy to play stardew valley on his off time, you're done for.
And now we have to wait for the 5 hour reply video of shad trying to say why you are wrong, but in the end just repeating dumb stuff over and over again without making any actual argument.
His views on Superman really explains a lot about his book 😂
Dude wants his superman to be an ubermensch
@dinadina2000 isn't Superman an ubermensch?
@@excusezmoi9823 An Ubermensch is a superman, but Superman isn't an Ubermensch.
Snyder fans are impossibly weird in their warped interpretation of who Superman is. Let alone a bunch of mostly and supposedly straight men pining with strong homoerotic overtones over the muscular appearance of their hero's body, they also just... want a Superman who punches the shit out of things. Like, they want him to wail on a big alien and level a city, , and kill... and think that's cool and good.
And they see a Superman that saves a kitten from a tree or who helps teach some kids a life lesson and sees that as weakness somehow, rather than an icon of strength. Same kind of people who think The Last Jedi was bad because Luke didn't go full on John Wick with a lightsaber at the end.
The obsession with action scenes has damaged the way they view media
I’m with you on basically all of that.
My possible break is TLJ was a bad movie whether Luke did that or not
wtf are you tapping about???
31:35 WHAT DOES HE MEAN IT WILL DETRACT FROM THE LARGER AUDIENCE?! I've gone to see movies I've never heard of the source material from because of dog!! Kids will drag their parents to go watch a movie about a super powered dog. I know that if this film had released when I was growing up it would have been a win-win for me and my dad. He gets to watch Superman, I get to watch flying dog.
Also, you listed a bunch of James Gunn animals from the GotG franchise but failed to mention the best animal adaptation he's done... Scooby Doo! Don't care, Scooby Doo was where James Gunn peaked, all his other films have been trash according to me and probably only me.
Yeah dogs are a great way to attract people since most everyone loves dogs why do you think there are so many dog focused channels that are huge on UA-cam? Because we can't get enough of the silly fluffy goobers
Krypto is goofy as hell _and I love him._ I'm *thrilled* we're moving away from the absolutely grim Snyderverse into something brighter. We might have needed them to show us what we were missing, but good gravy was that frustrating.
The more Shad talks about what he wants, the happier I am he doesn't have any say at all in what's being made. What a weird take on how Superman should be written.
Yeah He's silly but it's Superman a guy who fights crime with his undies outside his pants! He's a silly guy with a silly flying doggo!
I can't imagine being this mad about pop culture shit all the time. It seems really exhausting.
why is shad mad that superman ISN'T fascist???
Maybe Shad secretly roots for fascism.
Hasn't Clark literally socked Hitler in the comics?
I think for the 3 personas of Superman, the “real Clark Kent/Superman” should just be called the “Kal El” persona, so just “Clark Kent” is the human-reading reporter and “Superman” is the the openly-Kryptonian superhero. Clark Kent and Superman are both masks for Kal El if we want to use archaic psychology terminology.
It's the Peach in pant's situation all over again, when the movie will come out and Superman will be overpower, peoples will critisise is take and he will say: I just reacted to what I saw in the context of the trailer! So, and here's an idea, what don't you wait for the movie to come out before stating is message ?
I'll never get over that... like dude!!! She's wearing her motorcycle fit from MKWii she's had that look for well over a decade! It's been in every MK since! How do you not know that? (And God forbid Peach not be completely useless)
As we've seen from Shad's "film" he doesn't understand film at all. As we've seen from Shad's book he doesn't understand storytelling at all.
What are you talking about Ant, don't you know that the core of Superman's character is that he punch good, is strong and America.
i genuinely feel bad for jazza. i don’t know the guy’s political affiliations or anything but it must be rough having your work permanently linked to your brother who constantly embarrasses himself just because you both work in similar fields
To Shad, the "core of the character" is power.
One of the funniest things is him saying this won't give wider audiences interest in the movie
Bestie the superhero pet movie came out recently enough you're gonna have kids go "OH SHIT IT'S CRYPTO"
it's not Only a comics thing, it's also an Animated thing
Also, with tiktok/reels/shorts etc, we have PLENTY of people doing looks at comic runs to introduce them to people who probably wouldn't read the comics otherwise
WHICH
Means broader appeal
Never trust someone who doesn't like dogs.
Also his face is a crime
I'm still in shock years later that this dude is Jazza's brother
Shad's stupidity is only matched by his insufferability.
I'm sure he's great at parties....
Tell me you don't read comics or know about Superman cannon without tell me. He is one of the reactionaries that complain "This breaks Cannon/Lore" or "Historically Correct" but know nothing about the overall character of Superman/Clark Kent goes to complain about Krypto. Superman is hope and what we should strive for character wise. My favorite moment in the last 5 yrs was him being a loving and accepting father with Jonathan when he come out was the Superman thing anyone wrote but the dudes bros pooped their pants.
- Dude absolutely has zero understanding of the hero's journey and... he wrote a fantasy novel.
- 'Man and his dog' has been a storied myth told many times throughout human history.
Hell man with dog is literally on the Fool Arcana card itself... dogs have been a fundamental part of our lives for millenia its part of our psyche to see a dog and go oh hello pupper! *pets*
Alright, condensed stream! Lead-up to the Mary Sue video!!!
After hearing his comments about Krypto I genuinely think that Shad unironically hates fun.
Mist of the right wing grifters do... they are the most anti-fun people on earth
As I pointed out on the stream video:
Shad: "there is a lot of goofy dumb crap in that old stuff"
Does Shad know Krypto is in the comics right now? Does he know he plays an central part in Supergirl: Woman of Tomorrow, one of the most beloved Super-family anything comics to come out in the last couple of years? Which also happens to be the next thing they are adapting?
he knows fuck all about pretty much everything he talks about, including the sword content he used to make. he's just a tourist trying to farm outrage for money
Oh yeah, that Kill Bill thing. To my understanding that's Tarantino's legit take on Superman and I think is an excellent argument for never giving him a Superman film. It so fundamentally misunderstands everything about the character.
I think it is funny because that was Bill saying "I don't think you can live a peaceful life after giving in to violence" but he was wrong. And he was also wrong about Superman.
@@OlgaZuccatiQuentin Tarantino wrote a line of dialogue that’s either really stupid or genius. Truly the modern equivalent of a Greek philosopher.
@@Nope-bl3ig Reminds me of "Only a Sith deals in absolutes".
To this day, feels like a cointoss on whether it's self-aware and poignant, or just Obi-Wan saying things to motivate a fightscene.
If you're referring to Bill's speech about Superman in Vol 2 Tarantino wrote that specifically to characterize Bill as a heartless person who can only see power and strength and can't understand why someone, like the Bride, would ever give up the life she had with him unless she was just lying to herself
The biggest and reddest of flags is guys who shit on pets
I had to pause in disbelief when Shad said Krypto dragging Superman across the artic to safety wasn't inspiring. What a cartoonishly bad take.
What you didn't mention in your opening is that Shadiversity became an anti-woke alt-right grifter a few years back, and currently almost exclusively makes videos shitting on every single film release he can find
Deconstruction is when a dog is in a movie
28:04 😂He can not be serious! Krypto being in the trailer has already attracted the wider audience!, this movie is not just going to be for the nerds audience, but for the the kids that has cancer, the dog lover families, the people who don't have much time to live, the people who just want to escape this real world.
Seriously, my wife wants to watch this now purely because of krypto
Worth remembering Shad wrote a novel that was basically his personal SA fantasy.
My sister who is not much of a DC fan. She has always preferred Marvel as do I, but I like Superman and Batman and follow their comics. Anyway when she saw Krypto in the Superman trailer at the theater she litterally got so excited, because we used to watch the Krypto cartoon on Cartoon Network back when we were kids.
Superman is at his best when he struggles because DC is gods trying to be men. Superman fights not because he is a god and can stop all threats but because he fights threats that can harm him. Shad doesn't want Superman...he wants Injustice Superman or Homelander, a god who isn't humanized. Superman is also at his best by being humanized and vulnerable because it removes the image of Superman just being a god.
Agreed the best Superman stories is when struggle to with his humanity try to live up to the ideas of both set of parents. My favorite Superman story is For the Man Who Has Everything is one of the best episodes of Justice League.
It's almost like it's a trailer and not the whole movie.
big if true.
If I, someone who was scared of dogs as a kid, is completely fine with Krypto being in this film, it says allot that Shad thinks it's a terrible idea to put something that's part of Superman's history. Like, most humans love dogs, it's a good thing to put in to show us that this take on the character will show us much more than just Superman being a powerful being. It's why we see shots like Clark speaking with Pa Kent, it shows that he's just as relatable for us non-meta humans. His origins may be amongst the stars, but his home is here on Earth
I think Shad's more a fan of Omniman and not Superman.
Having read Shad's book, no he doesn't understand true adversity. His MC is an overpowered Gary Stu and that's what he wants Supes to be.
Agreed that Gunn seems to know how to really build a world. His DC Universe already feels more lived in than the one that existed for a decade and had a ton of movies in it.
It's about laying the groundwork for expansion. You can give us breadcrumbs without having Superman, Wonder Woman, and Batman fighting Doomsday in your second film, lol.
Shad, like most who lean hard right, like to present themselves as intelligent but continue to prove they have no clue what they are talking about. He thinks, because he talks about medieval weaponry, that makes him an expert on everything. I mean he's a terrible author who throws temper tantrums that his books don't sell, and he's also pissy because he doesn't understand how UA-cam works, and thinks he is shadow banned because the algorithm isn't putting him on top all the time like he thinks he deserves.
First rule of a movie- if possible include a dog, people love dogs.
Meanwhile Shad here is acting like some alien who cannot conceive human emotions "dogs...people like dogs?" Yes shad, entire John Wick movie was about a dude mowing down people because they killed his dog and entire audience went like "understandable sir, kill them all"
46:25 "this is where the film starts to manipulate me" Dude, it's a trailer, that's kinda the point 🤣
25:50 yeah, but jonathan kent's heart attack is one of the most important moments in clark's story. "even with all his power he can't save everyone" and all that
That was the Reeves movie, not the comics.
Sometimes they retcon it into the comics, too, but it wasn’t an original
Shad thinks in a way too practical way that disregards mental and tonal influences that can change the practicality of something. Say his whole nunchuck thing, the big thing about it is the intimidation factor of the weapon and how you can’t easily block it. For this film, Krypto works cause the tone of the movie allows it, you won’t see Snyder’s Sup have a dog, it l doesn’t fit the tone and thus lacks the verisimilitude. This movie tho with its bright colors and bigger than life feel and more positive tone is perfect for the pupper to come in
If Shad actually grew up loving superman in the cartoons and movies, i.e. he turns 40 this year, so this means mostly the Christopher Reeve movies and the DCAU, Smallville and Lois & Clark, like most of us old millennials. And if he loved those superman depictions rather than some deconstruction/fanfiction he wrote in his head about them (possibly due to functional media illiteracy, completely misunderstanding the clear depictions in front of him because he is either incompetent at understanding media or that is what he wanted to anyway). There is no way someone who loves how superman is actually depicted in those pieces of media, there is no way this trailer wouldn't make him optimistic for the film. He feels very DCAU. I will make a few comments on break down in response to this as I go.
13:00 ish. Man, the DCAU in particular had a thing for physically challenging superman, and putting him in a prone position... just to then still manage to pull a win (often with help of his Justice League pals, team works make the dream work, which is a core part of supes in any medium, he cares about people, and like some form of cosmic karma, people care about him - sure he is a scary "all powerful (not really)" alien who could kill us all, but he is OUR scary allien. For anyone who doesnt know the character, all they hear is how powerful he is, so starting with him actually wounded and beaten is intriguing, it begs the question how that happens... which is exactly the bloody job of a TEASER ffs. For those who do know and love the character, sure there is that too, but it is also a way to make us actual fans give a shit right away "look at what they did to OUR boy (scout)!"
14:50 those 9 are only the more recent ones since hte late 90s. We also have two Kirk Alyn's 15 part short movie serieals, and one movie with George Reeves shortly after. And of course this is all excluding live action in tv.
37:50 ish. Shad sounds like he never ever watched literally any sort of action movie, much less read a comic book, or watched any of the well regarded superhero-esque movies, animations (including anime) or anything related. Or he is lying through his teeth to try and make a gfit, only two options, both suck. Let's take a very famous example, Goku. Every. Single. Major. Obstacle. it is the same thing - we Goku maybe starts on strong (but not always), then gets beaten and broken to borderline hopelessness... which just make his comeback and ultiamte victory much more satisfying. Tao pai pai, Tien, King Picollo, Picollo "jr", Raditz, Vegeta and Nappa, Freeza, or Majin Buu. I don't need to talk about Dragon Ball/DBZ's fame, people don't like the Gary Stu Shad seems to want superman to be portrayed as, they the drama, they like the ups and downs, emotional and visual action roller costers are fun, this bs he is defending is fun only for people who need to touch grass so much they probably should just go and eat some, which would also force them to get their heads out of their butts which they also need to do.
41:38 I can't remember who I got this from, but that throwing can on superman scene is important. He is supposedlyb this scary being due to his superpowers, yet people feel still safe enough around him to throw stuff at him and be sure he won't just laser eyes them to death homelander style. You're right, this is reconstruction, and this brief scene says a lot without a word.
55:10 I imagine that robot will be Kelex,
Superman IS NOT A GOD. that’s what’s so frustrating about Shad and people like him. They think Superman is Superman. Superman is goddamn CLARK KENT. He isn’t a god among us mortals here to judge and protect , he was raised in fricking Kansas and is just a good person.
It's pretty clear that Shad never read Byrne's reboot of Superman back in the mid-1980s after the CRISIS miniseries rebooted the DC Universe. Byrne made it clear that Superman is just a disguise used by Clark so he can use his powers to help others. And Clark--despite finding out that he was adopted and that he was from another planet--still thinks of himself as a human and wants to protect this planet.
Shad likes AI image generstion masquerading as art. I could not take him seriously about anything anymore.
I can't help but think of Spiderman 2 and the train scene in regards to a hero being absolutely battered but is still absolutely triumphant and a paragon of the people.
Vulnerability does not make a hero less inspirational because they stand up to evil regardless of the odds, they inspire hope and with every breath they take they will keep on trying.
People like Shad are only entertained by the spectacle of a one sided fight where Superman's physcial strength is his inspiration to the people not his drive to help them.