haha thanks diane! it's been a while since we made it up there to tomales bay, but we used to go a lot when they still allowed people to shuck and eat there.
It's been awhile since we've been out that way. I wish Spenger's in Berkley was still open. Used to live about 5 blocks from there in my early 20s. Back when my hubs was working at East Bay Vivarium. I miss getting oysters from there. It was alot closer than Tomales so it was a good substitute.
@zeros.geckos He did for a number of years. We lived with 2 of his coworkers. The house was literally a mini EBV version. If there was a blank wall with an outlet-there was definitely cages in front of it🤣. I've got lots of stories. When we picked up my daughters crestie last Feb. that's where we went. Still gave him his employee discount🤣
Harry, it’s been awhile, I hope you’re doing well! This was a great episode and really opened my eyes to things. I took a step back and thought if I’ve ever done anything like that so I won’t in the future. Great stuff as always. Thank you 🙏🏼
Great video Harry! Lots of great reflections for everyone as far as how we run our businesses and how we should try to be positive influences on our community.
Well said. I absolutely think that when very negative comments come in, especially the "that enclosure is too small, you're neglecting animals" when it's clear that the animals are extremely healthy and very well cared for. It really does make the person making the comments look bad. And it hurts their business, especially when they keep going on and on about it. If someone really does have concerns about animal welfare of a particular breeder, then private DMs directly to the breeder are more appropriate and professional.
Hey Harry, I have thoughts on the subject of judging each other’s way of keeping, breeder vs hobbies, etc. I get what you’re saying about there being multiple ways to keep and issues that come in judging each other…and also I think there is a huge difference between folks bashing each other and things needing to be said/brought to light for the necessary evolution of this hobby. In the reptile space folks want to do whatever they want with regard to the animals and not be judged for the choices they make at the same time we aren’t working with inanimate objects and there needs to be standards. Reptiles, for the most part, are without legal protections in most states. That means no one is looking and there are no consequences on a big picture scale. The hobby is the only regulatory body, and the way of turning a blind eye and getting mad at folks that speak up will not lead anywhere good. Then on top of that we cry victim when animal rights folks “come for us”. It’s not sustainable. Folks decide what the animals need based on what’s convenient for them and what the animal can tolerate while still producing. Should this be the standard? I know folks are in this for many reasons. They pick animals to work with based on logistics vs passion, I get that, at the same time none of that changes the fact that we work with living creatures that are sentient, and a many cases, highly intelligent. I also know this is a deeply nuanced conversation, I have it frequently with my herp homies. For me tho, the live and let live mindset only produces fuel, and in many cases damning examples, to help the arguments of folks fighting to keep wild animals wild. There needs to be a middle. These are my thoughts. ❤️
Also, I agree that nitpicking and public shaming (unless it’s at a boiling point) is not helpful for sure and I’m curious what qualifies as minor. I’m more of the lead by example mindset. I also think, that sometimes those small conversations Segway into light being shined on deeper mindset issues or mis-education that make problematic decisions easier for some folks to make. It’s a tough balance.
@@theshap hi Summer! Thanks for your words of wisdom! I agree we dont turn a blind eye to harmful practices, but a lot of drama seems to ensue when less than mature breeders throw mud rather than sit down to humbly listen and learn. We've lost the civility to have objective conversations of disagreement with hopes to learn from each other. I'm sure those conversations do happen, but what the public sees is less civil and more high school drama on issues that seem relatively minor (though "minor" is subjective). This is why we have so many people tired of the fights and arguments. In any case, I agree that care for our animals is top priority, and if anybody has issue with another breeder's care, then there should be friendly conversations that lead to genuine relationship building and collective community building for the sake of the animals. So leading by example would mean we can have conversations about all these things with the goal of growth, and we should have convos with the intent to learn and resolve rather than mud sling and shame publicly (which happens very often from my perspective). To answer your question about what qualifies as minor.. this is subjective and people may disagree, but one example is shaming people publicly for flipping geckos. While certain situations of flipping bothers me personally, I don't go out of my way to shame people publicly for it. (In no way am I saying I'm better than people that do shame publicly. I'm simply creating dialogue to give my perspective that it's not helpful to do that as a whole.) I'll mention the practice of it (like in my vlog, podcast, or polls), but I wont name people and it's a minor enough situation in most cases for me to just keep moving along. Other issues that I might deem minor are certain aspects of how we feed or dont feed bugs, issues of photography edits, certain issues of linebreeding, etc. I hope that's helpful! I appreciate your input as I'm learning from everybody as well:)
The thing people don't think about either, is it makes their business look a lot less professional when they try to drag other breeders for things that really don't matter.. especially to the masses. For all the ppl jumping on board and blasting with you for calling out someone, I bet there are 2x as many, at least, silently judging you for it 👀
In regard to the flipping poll - my answer doesn't really fit into any one category, so I just went with I don't know. My opinion rests more on the individual than the actual flipping process. If the animals are taken care of and it's done ethically, I'm fine with it. Flipping happens in almost any industry & is pretty acceptable when it comes to other animals.
I get Alot of push back for telling people how eb and super stripe really is, at least what all the evidence shows. But a first season breeder refuting a veteran like Brian Butler don't sit well with people even though in this case the evidence says the veteran is wrong
@@zeros.geckos I'll be the first to say if I'm wrong if evidence shows me. Ego is such a big problem in people I try my best to not let my ego get in the way of things 99% of the time it will get you in trouble
I will say some of the big name breeders that have thousands of geckos tend to not have as healthy geckos some of the breeders that u used to stay up waiting for there sales I no longer do. If I need a breeder I have three main breeders AC reptiles Tarahs crested gecko and zengex
Love that yellow phantom lily
Thanks ribit! Cool one!
Great job dude!
Thanks dude!🙌🏼
This video right here perfect 🙏 completely and I want that second boy ❤❤❤
So well said Harry! Your hoodie is giving me old skool shuckin' vibes with my fam. Stay safe, stay healthy!
haha thanks diane! it's been a while since we made it up there to tomales bay, but we used to go a lot when they still allowed people to shuck and eat there.
It's been awhile since we've been out that way. I wish Spenger's in Berkley was still open. Used to live about 5 blocks from there in my early 20s. Back when my hubs was working at East Bay Vivarium. I miss getting oysters from there. It was alot closer than Tomales so it was a good substitute.
@@dianelockwood5663 wow he worked at EBV! One of the best reptile stores in the bay.
@zeros.geckos He did for a number of years. We lived with 2 of his coworkers. The house was literally a mini EBV version. If there was a blank wall with an outlet-there was definitely cages in front of it🤣. I've got lots of stories. When we picked up my daughters crestie last Feb. that's where we went. Still gave him his employee discount🤣
@@dianelockwood5663 thats amazing! our first reptile was from there. my daughter's corn snake.
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Harry, it’s been awhile, I hope you’re doing well!
This was a great episode and really opened my eyes to things. I took a step back and thought if I’ve ever done anything like that so I won’t in the future. Great stuff as always. Thank you 🙏🏼
Hey James! Good to hear from you✌🏼
That yellow phantom lw is real pretty
Grew up pretty nice!!
Great video Harry! Lots of great reflections for everyone as far as how we run our businesses and how we should try to be positive influences on our community.
Thanks man! Good vibes!🤙🏻
finally got around to watching this episode!! As always very informative! At some point you should do a reptile room tour when you get a chance!!!
Thanks for the suggestion! Will get there sometime🙂
Well said. I absolutely think that when very negative comments come in, especially the "that enclosure is too small, you're neglecting animals" when it's clear that the animals are extremely healthy and very well cared for. It really does make the person making the comments look bad. And it hurts their business, especially when they keep going on and on about it. If someone really does have concerns about animal welfare of a particular breeder, then private DMs directly to the breeder are more appropriate and professional.
Yes private dm, and if you guys still disagree after, then just walk away and unfollow each other. It’s really that simple.
Hey Harry, I have thoughts on the subject of judging each other’s way of keeping, breeder vs hobbies, etc. I get what you’re saying about there being multiple ways to keep and issues that come in judging each other…and also I think there is a huge difference between folks bashing each other and things needing to be said/brought to light for the necessary evolution of this hobby. In the reptile space folks want to do whatever they want with regard to the animals and not be judged for the choices they make at the same time we aren’t working with inanimate objects and there needs to be standards. Reptiles, for the most part, are without legal protections in most states. That means no one is looking and there are no consequences on a big picture scale. The hobby is the only regulatory body, and the way of turning a blind eye and getting mad at folks that speak up will not lead anywhere good. Then on top of that we cry victim when animal rights folks “come for us”. It’s not sustainable.
Folks decide what the animals need based on what’s convenient for them and what the animal can tolerate while still producing. Should this be the standard? I know folks are in this for many reasons. They pick animals to work with based on logistics vs passion, I get that, at the same time none of that changes the fact that we work with living creatures that are sentient, and a many cases, highly intelligent.
I also know this is a deeply nuanced conversation, I have it frequently with my herp homies. For me tho, the live and let live mindset only produces fuel, and in many cases damning examples, to help the arguments of folks fighting to keep wild animals wild. There needs to be a middle. These are my thoughts. ❤️
Also, I agree that nitpicking and public shaming (unless it’s at a boiling point) is not helpful for sure and I’m curious what qualifies as minor. I’m more of the lead by example mindset. I also think, that sometimes those small conversations Segway into light being shined on deeper mindset issues or mis-education that make problematic decisions easier for some folks to make. It’s a tough balance.
@@theshap hi Summer! Thanks for your words of wisdom! I agree we dont turn a blind eye to harmful practices, but a lot of drama seems to ensue when less than mature breeders throw mud rather than sit down to humbly listen and learn. We've lost the civility to have objective conversations of disagreement with hopes to learn from each other. I'm sure those conversations do happen, but what the public sees is less civil and more high school drama on issues that seem relatively minor (though "minor" is subjective). This is why we have so many people tired of the fights and arguments.
In any case, I agree that care for our animals is top priority, and if anybody has issue with another breeder's care, then there should be friendly conversations that lead to genuine relationship building and collective community building for the sake of the animals. So leading by example would mean we can have conversations about all these things with the goal of growth, and we should have convos with the intent to learn and resolve rather than mud sling and shame publicly (which happens very often from my perspective).
To answer your question about what qualifies as minor.. this is subjective and people may disagree, but one example is shaming people publicly for flipping geckos. While certain situations of flipping bothers me personally, I don't go out of my way to shame people publicly for it. (In no way am I saying I'm better than people that do shame publicly. I'm simply creating dialogue to give my perspective that it's not helpful to do that as a whole.) I'll mention the practice of it (like in my vlog, podcast, or polls), but I wont name people and it's a minor enough situation in most cases for me to just keep moving along. Other issues that I might deem minor are certain aspects of how we feed or dont feed bugs, issues of photography edits, certain issues of linebreeding, etc.
I hope that's helpful! I appreciate your input as I'm learning from everybody as well:)
The thing people don't think about either, is it makes their business look a lot less professional when they try to drag other breeders for things that really don't matter.. especially to the masses. For all the ppl jumping on board and blasting with you for calling out someone, I bet there are 2x as many, at least, silently judging you for it 👀
The big majority of people are quiet lurkers spectating and knowing who not to do business with😆😆
Bro, that’s is the nicest way to say stop being a sensitive arse B 😅 👍🏾
lol.. or we can all just keep shouting!😂
In regard to the flipping poll - my answer doesn't really fit into any one category, so I just went with I don't know. My opinion rests more on the individual than the actual flipping process. If the animals are taken care of and it's done ethically, I'm fine with it. Flipping happens in almost any industry & is pretty acceptable when it comes to other animals.
Yeah good approach👌🏻
I get Alot of push back for telling people how eb and super stripe really is, at least what all the evidence shows. But a first season breeder refuting a veteran like Brian Butler don't sit well with people even though in this case the evidence says the veteran is wrong
Just gotta stay humble, do the work, and learn! As long as somebody is humble enough to listen and adjust their thinking if needed, I respect that.
@@zeros.geckos I'll be the first to say if I'm wrong if evidence shows me. Ego is such a big problem in people I try my best to not let my ego get in the way of things 99% of the time it will get you in trouble
I will say some of the big name breeders that have thousands of geckos tend to not have as healthy geckos some of the breeders that u used to stay up waiting for there sales I no longer do. If I need a breeder I have three main breeders AC reptiles Tarahs crested gecko and zengex
I used to stay up for sales too! We live and learn.
First comment! 🥰🫶
lol❤️❤️ hi sabrina😊