Nikon Zfc ATTACKS Fuji! Better than iPhone?
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Tony & Chelsea Northrup review Nikon's new retro DX mirrorless camera, the Nikon Z fc ($1,100 at sdp.io/zfc)! They compare it against a used Fujifilm X-T3 (sdp.io/xt3), an old favorite with analog dials for the aperture, shutter speed and ISO. Tony has some gripes about the Zfc's controls because they still require you to use the traditional P/A/S/M camera modes.
The Northrup's then compare the Z fc vs iPhone because it's the most popular consumer camera in the world. They check still image quality in both good light and low-light. They compare the dynamic range and video quality of both the front and back cameras. They also review the video stabilization when walking.
Recently purchased the Z FC and I am in love with it. I am shocked how much better it is than the Z50. As a former CFO of an all-male high school in RI, I have started a 2nd career as a photographer. The Z FC fills a lot of my needs: for sports it is my backup to the D500 because it has a better auto focus system than my Z50 and Z6. For wildlife and bird photography is is my goto over the Z6 because of the crop factor and the autofocus (plus the 11 frames per second). While every reviewer will point out the shortcomings with lens selection, the FTZ adapted has allowed me to use all of the lenses that I use with my D500. Even though it is a small body, I can shoot with the Nikon 200-500 and Tamron 150-600 will little trouble now that I have added the Small Rig grip. The grip allows me to have a better hold of a lens/camera combo with most of the weight in the front end of the camera. I really, really love the Z FC for many reasons and what I thought was going to be a purchase based on aesthetics, is now based on performance. Love it. Thanks for defending it, Chelsea!
I’m curious, In what ways is it better than the z50? Isn’t it mostly a cosmetic rework?
@@Ahlg1990 if that was the case I wouldn't waste my money on a cosmetic difference. I am a professional photographer who needs to have cameras that perform and that is what the Z FC does. I bought the Z6 and Z50 when they came out but wasn't satisfied with the autofocus. It's okay, but could be better. The Z6ii came out to enhance and upgrade the auto focus issues. I was thinking of buying the Z6ii but when I heard the Z FC had the same suto focus as the Z6ii. I bought these Z FC instead.There are other improvements from the Z50 like the articulating screen, but that feature is of no interest to me but could be to others. To me, I saved $1000÷ by getting the Z FC instead of the Z6ii. As of now I am very satisfied.
FYI, if you're thinking the dark tones are getting lost on the Nikon Z fc video footage as compared to iPhone, you can switch to a flat/neutral profile in the Z fc, and with a little light grading in your video editor, the quality is astounding. I also turn sharpness down to 0, as I find the more natural/softer look is far more cinematic. Anyway, I'm excited you're spreading the word about the Nikon Z fc…I picked one up almost immediately after launch and I'm incredibly happy with it! And that's coming from a long-time Canon guy!
I own the D850 , it will always be the workhorse that I love..and I just bought the zfc as my walk about camera, which I’m happy with.
When comparing the dynamic range with iPhone you need to do two things. Either act as a newbie and put the camera in full auto mode and let the camera do its thing, or act as professional and shoot HDR (either in-camera or on computer) and then merge the exposure. iPhone is all automatic, so you will always get that HDR look, even when you do not want it. With an ILC camera like Nikon, you either need to TELL camera to do it, or do it yourself.
I'm pretty sure he know this. He has literally written books about it. Plus, I think he is highlighting how most people would point and shoot- without changing numerous settings.
@@MOAB-UT Yes, of course he knows that. Yet, he chooses to ignore that in his review to present an incorrect narrative. As for point&shoot, Zfc does have an auto mode. Set the camera to that and then compare.
@@zkfotos3177 I sense you are a bit of a cynical bloke. Tony and Chelsea have generously shared a vast amount of their knowledge FOR FREE. I doubt he enjoys trying to deceive people. Some do this so I do get where you are coming from but I think he is ok.
@@MOAB-UT I am not cynical. In my original comment I did not mention the creators. I just explained matter of fact so that any users of Z50, who are wondering why their images aren't better then smartphone, can do the right thing.
@@zkfotos3177 You are cynical- but that is ok, just be real. You said "Yet, he chooses to ignore that in his review to present an incorrect narrative." HE implies TONY. Don't try to spin it.🙄
Idk, as a Fuji user, I think I like the Nikon implementation of modes better. It’s a pain to have to rotate dials from “A” to somewhere in the middle of the dial. It seems like it would be quicker to just switch a switch to go from program to shutter priority.
The reason I originally got into photography was because I loved the look of Olympus’ cameras. I started with the omd-em10 and it was so much fun to use that it made me want to take photos. Now I have the Pen F and it’s so fun and looks super cool too!
4:50 Put it in P mode, if you do not like the settings the camera has selected, turn the whizzy wheel, e/g if camera has selected f/5.6 1/250 then by turning the whizzy wheel, you can select any of the other settings that will give the correct exposure, eg, f/8 1/125 or turn the other way to get f/4 1/500 and so on. Works with other nikons, should work with Zed F C
He knows how to use a PASM dial. He just doesn’t think you should have to worry about changing it when the fact that you’re changing the shutter speed dial can already communicate that to the camera, like on a Fuji.
@@sixthdutch
Nikon decided to go different way than Fuji, so they didn't remove PASM dial, therefore they had to do it this way, since overriding PASM would make even more confusion.
Fuji doesn't have PASM dial, hence, position of specific dial, determines relevant mode (numeric value tells camera to use that, while A tells the camera to choose suitable value for proper exposition in combination with other parameters).
When using Nikon, you first have to decide what mode you are going to use, and then adjust only parameters adjustable in that mode, while when using Fuji, you set to A any parameter you want the camera to set it automatically.
@@max5250 I fully understand this. So does Tony. His criticism is that the Fuji system works better. He never said "I don't understand the Nikon system, I can't figure out how to get it to work."
@@sixthdutch
I agree on that, but he said it (at least I understood it that way) as if that behaviour (camera not responding to parameter change on a dial) was something that could be changed in a future, but it can't, at least not without Nikon giving up from PASM mode dial, which would be somewhat equal to accepting Fuji system.
I guess Nikon wanted to create something different from Fuji, but it ended up as less appealing solution.
The thing I like better about Fuji’s is that most of their lenses have an aperture ring. I find moving an aperture ring is very satisfying.
Ditto. As old school as it gets. Shutter dial / Aperture Ring.! Done
It's a disadvantage as it makes it more difficult to switch from for example M to P. Another disadvantage is that you can't quickly switch between two different aperture settings (that's possible with M and A modes). It's also very bad that you apparently can't remove a Fujifilm lens (35mm f/1.4) from a Fujifilm camera without moving the aperture ring. I tried, but no success. This issue is not even mentioned in the manual. Very poor design.
I’m surprised Nikon forgot about the aperture ring, and a threaded shutter button(like fuji or almost every film camera, including the old nikons it’s coming from)
I preordered one and received it on August 1st. I love the way it feels in my hand and the way it looks with vintage Nikkor glass. A very different experience than shooting with my big DSLR, both are fun in their own way, but I have a slight preference for this. I love the quality of the shots I'm getting from it.
You should really try fujifilm then if you like this
@@diegomlpz3094 I don't mind at all in principle, however, I'm invested in the Nikon system with a lot of gear.
I tried it in a store but it felt like my strong muscular forearms coupled with my man-sized hands could easily crush it like an empty cigarette pack...😔
@@wtfdidijustwatch5053 I would check your skin colour you could be the incredible hulk,
Does this camera accept F mount vintage lenses or do you need an adapter??
The Zfc has focus stacking. Why didn’t you mention it, or use it when comparing it to the iPhone? Also, the Nikon captured the light exactly as you see it, with the eyes lighting up in the dark. You also need to redo your video using the new Viltrox f1.4 lenses. Proper lighting techniques also play a major role in both video and still shots. There’s more to it then just pointing it and shooting. The iPhone is still just a point ‘n’ shoot camera and video recorder. For a quick shot or quick video clip the phone is fine. For anything more serious, you’ll need a camera.
If you like this sort of camera, get a Fujifilm
Fuji XT30 is smaller, lighter than the XT3 Tony shows with same, great range of lenses, including 3rd party options
I'm just gonna get the XT20. Cheap as chips and almost as good as the XT30. Also I hear the XT30 has some annoying problem with the Q button.
@@TheOfficialOrangeMan I’ve got the XT30 and the workaround is to disable the Q button and remap to AEL button, instead. I also read a lot about lack of grip, but find it’s fine. Have fun with whatever camera you get 🙂
@@TheOfficialOrangeMan I've had an XT20 for 3 years and added the grip. I will use this camera until it dies. It does everything I and most people need.
I love the dials for teaching the exposure triangle, my students just get it much easier than the menus. The camerabis also much easier to use in places where DSLRs are discouraged like museums and restaurants as it looks like a snapshot camera. Overall a great addition
I have a fuji xt1 love the tactile feel of the knobs and not going into a ton of menu’s.
15:18 I don't agree with the more natural colors. I am pretty certain the warm hue of the Nikon is more in line with what your eyes registered when taking that picture. That's the thing that bugs me about the iPhone: indoor pictures made at evening/night all look like they are made at noon, without the warm yellow glow the light bulbs give off. I find it easier to lower some red/yellow cast in post processing than changing the hue and up the saturation a bit afterwards without adding noise in the process.
Chelsea, I'm French and the way you pronounced "artiste" at 2'37 put a smile on my face.
Since most of my life I have lived in the film only era, when I want a camera with the vintage look, I grab either my Canon F-1 New, or my Nikon F2 AS. As for digital cameras, I really don't care much about the appearance, they're changing every 6 months or so anyway. I do the same thing with digital cameras that I do with cell phones, I buy the last year's model when the price drops. Since photography is a hobby, I don't need to have cutting edge technology.
You can use the 24-200 Z lens. If your afraid to use FX lenses, then Viltrox has made 3 AF APS-C lenses for the Nikon, 23mm f1.4, 33mm f1.4, and 56mm f1.4. .
If Tony had of selected HDR then the bear thing would have come out much better. Centering the spot meter on that bear thing and increasing the exposure would also have helped. A smartphone camera is like an automatic car easy to operate, anyone can use it to take reasonable photos. A traditional camera is like a manual car, only some can operate it correctly and actually get good results.
In most cases it is not the camera, but the user who is at fault. Any camera will take very good photos in almost any situation if you know how to use it properly.
(around 12:40 min) Of course the nikon edited photo will be noisy lightening the shadows when its underexposed to begin with compared to the shot from the Iphone . The nikon was shot at f/3.5 the Iphone at 1.6.
This is a camera for a specific market i.e people already bought into the Nikon eco system or those with specific requirements. From what I’ve seen elsewhere it appears to be a very good alternative to the Fuji system. Nikon are never going to be able to fully compete with Fuji in this market because this is where Fuji set their stall. However, as an alternative this is ideal especially if your main gear is Nikon full frame. Additionally there will be third party lenses available such as viltrox that are specific to crop sensor. I personally think it’s a good move for Nikon and makes sound financial sense. Well done Nikon.
I have been using X-t3 for about a year. The aperture ring has become very comfortable and natural. I adjust it constantly while shooting. It would be hard to go back to a different setup.
The X-T3 is an awesome camera!! I have been a Canon fan over a Nikon anyway, but it looks like Nikon is trying to look like Fuji. hehe I figure you like the Fuji lenses, but look at Tamron also, They don't have the aperture ring, but you always have the dial on the front of the camera, I use that a lot. I just got my X-T3 a few months ago, came from Canon and I am still getting used to working the settings. Canon made me lazy with their "Program" mode. ^_^
I think a lot of the wins you gave the iPhone come down to personal preference. For example, the dynamic range test on the creepy bear thing might have more detail, but I think the iPhone image looked very flat and boring. The Zfc image was super moody and to me a lot more visually interesting and appealing.
As far as the PASM issue, I think that's a great point and the 'Auto' option should have been put on each dial. Personally though I think I'd just always shoot in M mode, it's part of the fun of a tactile camera :)
I'm a Nikon shooter and I was pretty close to picking up a XT-4 as a fun camera but then the Zfc was announced and it was the perfect fit since I can adapt all the glass I already have. Also purchased the 16-80 f2.8-4 for F-Mount and adapted it as my grab and go camera. The eye af is significantly improved over my Z7
XT4 as a fun camera? Wtf? It mopes like everything under 3k
no hand grip
Xt4 is a superior camera to that Nikon
I bought a refurbished Nikkor Z DX 50-250mm lens, which has VR, to go with my mint green Z fc. It's perfect with the Z fc. I've also used the Nikkor Z full frame 24-200mm lens and it does work well. A lens any bigger would be annoying, but that's not the way the Z fc is meant to be used. If I want to do more "serious" photography I can always break out my Z 7.
6:22 / 16:43 that red alfa melted my heart
There's not even a reason to spend that much if you're after a vintage-style camera. The Fuji X-E1, X-E2 and X-T1 are quite inexpensive nowadays, and still more than enough for most users.
Even cameras like the X-T20 and X-T2, bought used are great deals. I bought an X-H1 last year for the IBIS, making all my adapted vintage glass now stabilized...yay!
I just found out Viltrox released a 23 1.4, 33 1.4 and a 56 1.4 for nikon z apsc that has autofocus. All for under $400 each.
Yeah I too questioned the Z fc but now three tiny all metal apsc prime lenses, perfect for the camera.
I like where this is going....🤔
Zfc beat the snot out of the iphone in the selfie video comparison. It looked remarkably better.
It really is a fair point, with a slow kit lens, you really are going to have trouble getting consistently good results inside with natural light and to fix that you need a fast lens. It would have been nice to see the Fuji in that part of the review with something like a 35mm f2, which doesn't cost much more than a Nikon adapter. Also, if you're stuck with a kit lens, you could compare with something like a Sony ZV1, which is truly pocketable and a better smartphone compare. I don't have such a new phone, but another thing that kills phone photos is the lag. Especially in low light, things that move are in a different spot by the time the photo is actually taken.
I think the low light comparison is a little misleading. The IPhone is using HDR for the photo to fix the low lighting issues while the ZFC is underexposed and depends on post raw processing. Experienced photographers can spot this, but this is aimed at amateur photographers, who wouldn’t have the experience to know that you can get much better low light results from a APS-C camera that is almost a decade older using HDR, or has the exposure adjusted.
I love my fujix100v. The jpeg sooc images are simply stunning and the pictures are so punchy.
I expect the Nikon to have better ISO than the fuji
The best advice I can give you is to avoid Fuji. Fuji has poor, off to lala land video auto-focus. For stills, their weird X-tran sensor should be a nonstarter if you like to edit your own photos instead of shooting jpg. That said, which of the cameras you goofed around with in this video will work with the 200-500 f/5.6 lens you like so much? I don't mind the PSAM dial. My only complaint is it's tricky to get to auto-iso but I developed a shortcut to fix that problem. Using the top dials is just not a good experience on either camera, Z fc or X-T3. The good news is, both cameras can be set up to control the aperture with the front dial and shutter speed with the rear. This allows them to look like an antique and yet be controlled like a real modern camera. The reason cameras today don't have those dials is because they impede the shooting process. Front and rear command dials are much better and easy to setup on the Z fc. A little more tricky on the X-T3 but doable. Also, that kit lens, while cheap and small is actually wonderful for landscape photography. MUCH better than the Canon kit RF 24-105 f/4-7.1 IS STM for example. I mean leaps and bounds better. Mic cable in the way pointing up? Point it down and then up behind the flip-screen. Seriously, it fixes that problem instantly. Chelsea, don't make weird voices while reading this comment, read it like someone watched your video and has an opinion to share. Thanks. P.S. It's an insult comparing a real camera to an iPhone if you don't do it with all of them. Let's see how the Sony a1 fares in the (you really bought that bear for someone you like??) challenge... Thanks for the video and for reading.
Another great video, thank you. I was a Nikon aficionado but switched all my pro gear a few years ago for Fuji and have not looked back. When this Nikon was announced I did consider buying it as it looks like my first Nikon FE and the nostalgia got to me. However I've seen nothing in any of the reviews which have persuaded me to add it to my XT3 and X100V.
Thank you for a great video 👍🏻 I have the kit with the 28mm 2.8 and I like that combo. Really fun to shoot street with 👍🏻
I agree that little cameras even like the Zfc can bring back the fun of photography (I'm considering one, even though I have other cameras). I think in a way, it sort of brings back the basics of photography, ie. the exposure triangle. If you put the Zfc on manual mode, you go back to that same feeling as when you were learning about this stuff and I think it makes the experience a bit more enjoyable. I couldn't see the Zfc as being a real professional camera but I think it is a good option for enthusiasts who want perhaps that "fun" factor in their photography. While the gear itself isn't usually important, I think the Zfc does help bring back the fun factor to Nikon users at least. I personally think the Zfc would be a great street photography camera. First, it doesn't appear like a pro DSLR. Second it's pretty inexpensive to replace should get it damaged or destroyed or stolen. I'd much rather take a Z50 or Zfc out doing street photography than my $5000 FF rig.
Nikon should have done away with the PSAM dial and just had what Fuji has on the XT30. Auto ON/OFF switch. When it's on, the camera is in full auto mode, when it's off, you use the shutter speed, ISO and aperture controls like you would. Basically if Auto is OFF, it's in manual mode. Personally I think they should have done away with the other modes on this camera as the people who want to get this are likely going to use it in manual mode and/or already have a good understanding of the exposure triangle. Yes these modes make operation faster, but I think it sort of does kill the excitement because you have to remember to flip the PSAM dial to the correct mode you want or the other dials may not do anything. So it can be confusing, and if you're in a rush, you may not realize why your camera, for example, won't change shutter speed even though you've use the shutter speed dial.
(regarding the lens, actaully for being a cheap kit lens, it performs quite well. It's not as fast as say Fuji's 18-55 f/2.8-4 lens but it certain is better than say the Sony 16-50 which they have been bundling with their a6000 series bodies for about 8-9 years now.)
"I think in a way, it sort of brings back the basics of photography, ie. the exposure triangle. " - You mean the way you can do the exact same thing with nearly every DSLR, and every above "point-and-shoot" film camera?
I honestly don't get what copying the look of an older film camera body does to change the experience of shooting with a digital, compared to shooting with film - the two are totally different worlds...
CRUX is that, if you watching pics on mobile then be it iphone or full frame, it will be same. Difference will come when u print pics and when u see on a 4k display, then IPHONES cannot match big sensors.
guys plz can you just do a comparison between lumex S5 with Nikon Z 6ii side by side?? because i see both with the same price & senser & resolution and both has beautiful colors & picture profile ,so i think it will be a great battle...and by away no photographers did it before exactly between 2 of them side by side... thanks for listening 🙏
i own a d810/d7100 and a z50.
i love the z50 for hikes or walks in the rain.
and/or just locking the aperature to f8 in good weather and just shooting.
i also own a 24-70 f4, but im not really happy with its result for its size(why not just take my dslr).
i've fallen back in love with the 16-50mm.
IMO the z50 is best with the kit lens, despite its downfalls. its the widest i can get in z mount,
its slow, but it just takes more skill compared to using fast primes on my d810.
**(im not implying anyone doesnt have skill or i have skill), and composition to get the interesting picture im craving.
also the lens locking. It takes a bit of getting used to, theres a vagueness to it that makes you not able to tell when it will snap out/in.
i just abuse it and rip it open.
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Oh forgot to mention y’all are such a cute couple
Why weren't you in manual mode? Isn't that the whole point of the dials?
My argument is that the point of the dials is you shouldn't need modes at all.
Congrats Frank (and family!) Beautiful baby.
Thanks Tobias!!
Very similar to my Z50. I got mine with the FTZ adapter instead of the plastic lenses, and use my Sigma 17-50 F2.8 on it. I love the combo. Razor sharp images.
How's your experience with the 17-50? Autofocus and stabilization works good? It miss focus a lot?
@@luhamay I love the 17-50 F2.8. On my previous camera, the Nikon D7200, I had to calibrate the lens, and after that, focus was very good. On my new camera, the Z50, it never misses focus. That is a major advantage of mirrorless cameras. Since the focusing is on the sensor, you no longer need to calibrate any lens. The Sigma 17-50 F2.8 is a bargain in a fast constant aperture lens. I have been using it almost exclusively since I bought it about 4 years ago. Build quality is really good, and it still feels and handles like it did when it was new.
Been thinking for a while about why “real” camera companies won’t just go full-bore into computational photography and take the smartphones head-on. At first I thought it was just the challenges of fast readout and image pipeline on bigger sensors, and that we just have to wait until that gets efficient enough to support chimping without overheating. But then I realized that most camera manufacturers also sell at least two lines of lenses - kit/hobbyist and professional - and the solution for low light and subject isolation with that business model is to get owners to upgrade from small aperture basic glass to large aperture complex glass with exotic elements, technical coatings, and all the rest. Putting smartphone-like computational night sight and portrait modes into large-sensor camera bodies would cut off that lens upgrade path, along with its multi-thousand-dollar price points. Maybe one of the camera companies will figure out a new business model that combines advanced software imaging with high-end glass. For now, I’m staying a little pessimistic, and still planning on carrying a late-model smartphone to handle very dark shooting situations like Tony’s horrorbear…
15:26 At least in the center of the frame, Aps-c kit lenses usually outresolve 24 megapixel sensors without any problems as long as field curvature is not an issue. I don't know how sharp Nikon's lens is, but one wouldn't expect a huge advantage anyway. It has less than 21 megapixels and the field of view is significantly larger, which reduces the number of pixels per angle.
The difference is in sharpening and not the lens or pixels. iPhone image has extreme levels of sharpening applied to it. It looks unnatural to photographer's eyes, but maybe not to consumers. In the end, you can get extra sharpening either in camera or on computer.
I almost bought the Zfc when I got back into photography this summer. At the time, I hadn't paid any attention to cameras for 20 years and the only thing I knew about the new crop of cameras is that they also have video. I just loved the look of the Nikon.
Viltrox has small apsc 1.4 native primes for Nikon z bodies for the zfc
The way Fuji handles setting aperture and shutter speed is simply brilliant.
Semi auto mode is sometimes possible. For wildlife I use manual mode with the ISO set to auto. I retain the control I want over the Aperture and the Shutter. This way I don't miss shots trying to get all my settings right, just need to make sure the shutter speed is correct for motion blur and shake. Using a Canon R5.
Good video, terrible parking job 1:14 😂
Lol I had to get back in and move the car. Was distracted by being on camera 😁
At least the Nikon Zfc is better than the Nikon 1 Series cameras?
I guess if you wanted to use this as a second body, there are adapters from Nikon F to Z mount, so you could conceivably use your existing lenses on it.
Often you hear statements like, "for a first try, this is a good attempt for Nikon..." but it should really not be an excuse at this point for interface issues like the PDAF + Manual controls, they have been making cameras with manual controls for many decades. Anything they have forgot, they should have relearned from the Df. It seems they just took a Z50 and stuck on a couple of extra knobs?
I don't agree with the "design flaw" comment on the 5:31 mark. If you want to control both shutter speed and aperture manually....set it to Manual mode. It is not that hard. Either shoot all program auto mode, shutter priority, aperture priority or full manual. Make the choice first.... if you change your mind later, then get it off the manual mode and pick the mode you prefer shooting at for that moment.
The image quality in video is sooo much better on the Nikon Zfc than the iphone.
I think that Nikon should make a full frame retro camera like the Zfc. The Df is a great still photo camera and I still use it along with my other camera bodies but the Df has a special feel. Make a 24 MP Zf Nikon.
I have the XT3 and Zfc. It is much more than a camera and honestly buying the Nikon make very little sense as you have limited Z DX lenses and adding the FTZ bulks it up and it gets clumsy. The XT3 or even the XT30 has a string of small primes and zoom lenses that makes a fantastic system. I have Nikon Z6ii and Z7 with list of lenses. I also have Fuji XT4 and XT3 with lenses and for APSC sensor no better system than Fuji
This the dumbest thing anyone can say about Nikon’s crop cameras. Try using the 24-200 f4, and see some amazing results. Fujifilm is great if you want to just get stuck with APS-C. But, you won’t ever be able to move up to full frame and see some real pro level results. Oh, Fuji has medium format. So what! You can’t use those X lenses and need to buy very expensive G lenses to go with your GFX. Ok, be happy with being stuck in a rut.
The iphone was probably doing HDR processing with 2 or more frames. Was it fair to compare that with a single frame on the other cameras?
I just bought a fuji x-t3. I thought about this nikon Z cf after with some remorse. After your video I am happy I bought the X-T3. Thank you.
I found the whole iPhone comparison in this video a bit silly. Way too much time spent on video and the comparison of the still images were not "apples to apples" (i.e. HDR vs single image). The video leads off with comparison to the Fuji claiming that the PASM paradigm is unnecessary. While I don't completely disagree, it's not that big of a deal for me as I always use manual model with auto ISO (on both Nikon and Fuji). I used a Fuji X-Pro2 with f/2 primes for many years as a travel/street camera. While I enjoyed the experience for the most part and got good results, I recently switched to the Zfc with the 16-50 and am happy with the decision. Chelsea dismisses the 16-50 lens way to easily. It is a terrific lens and its light weight is what keeps the whole kit very light and compact. Nice for travel/street. Fuji, by comparison has nothing like this lens. The 18-55 is excellent, but as Tony pointed out, not exactly compact. Other Fuji zoom lenses in this range (16-55/2.8 and 16-80/4) are quite large. My biggest gripe with the Fujis has always been the user interface. For example, I like to shoot with the LCD off, but with XP2 this means you also can't view the menus on the LCD. Instead, you have to click the viewfinder selection button, make your changes, then toggle through all five permutations to turn the LCD off again. I found this really slowed me down in the field. Furthermore, when you open the menus, it does not remember where you were last, so you have to hunt through the menus each time. The Q menu is helpful here for common settings, but you still have the LCD off issue. I realize that I could make my menus setting using the EVF, but I don't like holding the camera up to my eye to make those types of changes. While the Zfc is far from perfect, it meet my needs as a very capable travel camera. I can also adapt all my old Nikon MF lenses when I want the full manual experience. Now I just wish I could start traveling again!
A lot of people think that all APS-C cameras have a crop factor of 1.6 and Chelsea is one of them. Only Canon have. Nikon, Sony and Fuji have 1.5.
So a 28 mm Nikon APS-C lens is like 42 on full frame, and not 44 something.
That's a very detailed and honest video.
But don't you think even for a person who wants to start photography with a camera over an iPhone, the Zfc is a bit too expensive??
And probably even the Fujifilm x100F will be a better camera than the Zfc
Idk… my Z50 takes better photos and is easier to use than my X100V. So I doubt the X100F would be better than a Zfc for a beginner.
Great review. I have a canon 5dmk4 and a Fuji xt3. I always grab the Fuji for anything except wildlife or astro photography. Great IQ and a fun camera.
You didn't mention the great Nikon app. I'm surprised how well it works, and how quickly it transfers images to the Photos app. QUESTION: Can't the Zfc use any DX lens?
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I love the leather case and strap for the X-t3. Do you know who made it ?
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Kaza Deluxe. I have at least 3 of their cases. No affiliation.
I like Fuji cameras a lot, and if I hadn't already been a lifelong Nikon user I would probably go that route. I own the Z7ii and will get this very soon for other purposes. However, if you compare new/w warranty pricing the Zfc is a better price point than the Fuji examples even with the soon to be released 28mm 2.8 FF lens. I really like the weight difference too. Since I always have an iPhone with me I don't feel I'm trading one for the other, it's just a matter of what I want out of the photo and my experience taking it. Thanks for the video.
It should be compared with the Fuji X-E4 with the 27mm pancake lens in the box. That's also a better deal than the Zfc.
@@NickBarang I tried the X-E4 ($50 less than Zfc with lens) and didn't like the feel or features compared to the XT3 or the Zfc. Those two are more similar in look and feel to me.
@@gerryphilpott9766 Fair enough, I'd note though that reviewers have raved about the X-E4 as the X100V with interchangeable lenses for less money.
And the XT-3 knocks the Zfc out of the park too. Really, even if the camera was as good, it comes down to lens lineup. 2 lenses? Not good enough. Anything else is by the by. If you're a Nikon fan looking for an awesome-looking toy - fair play. But this camera just doesn't compete with the Fuji APSC system at all. In fact, in 2021, nothing competes with Fuji's APSC lineup. Everybody else has gone full-frame, really (or M43, I guess).
@@NickBarang Nikon shooters could not care less about Fuji system. Zfc adds extra option for existing Nikon lens line-up. Pairing Z6II and Zfc (or Z50), with (my lens collection)14-30 f/4 S, 24-70 f/2.8 S, 70-200 f/2.8 S, 24mm 1.8 S, 50mm 1.8 S, and truckload of adapted manual focus lenses I own, would give me "mix and match" to get the look I want. Every camera company builds its system over time, and have different strategies to do so. It is tough to please everybody. "I want this, I want that, I did not want this, did not want that, omg. The best is for everybody to start up new camera company, and produce what they want, and give everybody more choices, lol.
@@eldindokara7868 Lol. None of that glass is built for the Nikon APSC system. Who cares if you can put it on the camera? It'll be garbage compared to APSC glass because full-frame glass always sucks on APSC. As for "vintage glass with adapters"? You can do that on any camera, who cares if it's a Nikon, a Canon, a Sony, etc? Fuji shooters couldn't care less about Nikon shooters either, except to pity them as their system collapses and they rush to compete with Fuji in a market segment they don't have the lenses for.
Dr. Northrup and Chelsea, great review with lots of fun mixed in. Well I have the ZFc and absolutely LOVE it. I also have an X100V sitting right next to it, and now the Fuji sits home. I suppose this may be more opinion than fact? But Nikon files just look awesome, esp skin tones as you even pointed out. I have owned maybe 5 different Fujis and one day it dawned on me all the pictures look FUJI. The Nikon files just look so much more accurate, they pop, with beautiful much more natural looking color. You know Fuji has this THING where often you can see a tad of skin tone bleeding into the whites of the eyes.it's awful. If you never noticed it..go so thru some pics...I'll bet you will see this Fuji THING . SO sick of Provia, Astia...whatever. It's the Nikon files I love, YES I shoot jpeg/raw.. I suppose I'm talking more about OOC Jpegs...As you mentioned the Zfc is rather light so it's easy to take with you. I agree Tony on the psam...I too was first stumped how to change into shutter priority?..but once you know how it takes a second..a non issue. I find auto-focus to be better than my X100V also my XT3. I agree Nikon needs more lenses if they are gonna stick around with APS-C, BUT if you get a "good copy" of even that kit lens it's super sharp...check DP...review samples..for such a light lens the sharpness, micro contrast is great. I have a Samsung S21 Ultra so I can't comment on iphone vs anything...Anyways IMO this Zfc is a GREAT well priced "FUN" camera with AWESOME color science, and great auto focus, that at least for me, I WANT to take with me..not so with my Fujis...and if anything I'd say I WAS a Fuji fan boy! :)
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Okay, I think I'm convinced the Zfc is the one I need, okay- want. If I'm mostly using it for travel (portability) which lens will serve me well for landscapes and the occasional family shot while traveling- I know very little about lenses. Thanks!
Hey Tara, I have a Zfc and LOVE it...I'd say the little 16-50 kit lens would be just perfect for travel. It's REALLY sharp, yet small with tons of contrast for a kit lens. Only thing in low light...it will help that the kit lens is stabilized, but you may have to raise your iso a bit and you won't get a huge amount of Bokeh(Blurry background) All in all though the Zfc wih that kit lens works REALLY well.
@@randallk204 Thanks Randall! I really am so green with knowing lenses and how they work- I ended up buying the kit lens and an 85mm- mainly because I think I'd like to do portrait shots for some projects I have. I think I'll use the 16-50 for 80% of my shots- but it's nice to have an extra lens to learn with!
Tara that sounds PERFECT!! 85mm would def be GREAT for portraits. If you got a good normal copy of the kit lens, it will astound you as to how sharp it is at all focal lengths..Best of luck with the camera :)
I just ordered a Zfc for my and my g/f to use as an out about camera and for her vlogging.
Look at for us, we'll have the mint green one!
Lets hope Nikon produce more DX lenses for the Z series - now that Viltrox and Artisans are making Z lenses, they may be forced to.
Especially if Nikon produces a Z70 or 790 for wildlife or birders
I would still like to get a Z series full frame
I’m new but confused…I thought ‘priority’ mode meant the one you chose ‘aperture, shutter etc’ would be on auto and you controlled the other two….not that the mode you chose is the ONLY one you can chose and the other two are on auto..??
I got $50 that says the Z-f is going to get me to sell my A7R3...
Thanks for the useful video! To supplement my D500 beast that I love, I've been shopping lighter cameras to reduce the load on my bad back for longer hikes. The Zfc was definitely on the short list because I like the styling and it would allow me to still use my collection of DX glass without crop. But it's starting to look like a new iPhone might be what I really need instead, especially with the addition of all OIS lenses and 3x zoom now offered in the new iPhone 13 Pro.
I agree with Chelsea about the kit lens, it's too slow. I don't like the idea of having to up the ISO just to make up for a too slow lens. I'm about to receive, from B&H, a Voigtlander 35mm f/1.2 lens designed specifically for Z mount APS-C. It has an aperture ring, a distance scale, and a DOF scale. And it's even manual focus with a hard infinity stop, so I'll have the full retro experience now with my Z fc. I'm still shooting film with my 45 year old Pentax MX so I know what I like regarding camera and lens features. Some may think the Voigtlander is a bit expensive to put on a Z fc but it is still the case that the lens is far more important than the camera.
Coming into this video late 2023 while I look to get back into photography. I was surprised by how much I liked this video. Thanks!
Before Fuji, Olympus brought a similar experience of a retro / fun camera way before with the OM-D E-M5 in 2012. And with the plus of an awesome 5 axis IBIS. I've been asked a lot of times in my trips around the world if I was using a film camera when shooting with my trusty E-M5.
The Bear! The Bear! 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Great/disturbing photo subject. I haven’t laughed this hard at a camera review ever. Very topical for October too. Wonderful.
What's more difficult: Pulling all the way in the parking spot or the PASM switch?
This has to be my favourite review so far on any product. Thanks for the great tips and detailed information with the comparisons.
I would say that if you are using aperture priority mode and know that the shutter speed is too low, you should be using Manual anyway. It's one more thing to control, and you don't really adjust the aperture that often anyway. I think he was clutching at straws with his critiques.
Comparing ISO 9000 vs ISO 800.... and iPhone is better?
11:21 I'm so close to switching from the Sony A6400. Is the Z fc on par with the Sony A6400 in terms of accuracy and tracking autofocus? How was that lens/body combo to hold?
I would love to know also. I have an a660 and would love to know.
Yeah I think the AF is similar. Handling is better on the Nikon. Sony has lenses.
Though Fujifilm has already set a high standard in the retro ergonomics category, But Nikon Zfc is a good competition now ☺️
5:28 Nikon Df to Chelsea: "Am I a joke to you?!"
I still wondering if it’s worth it to change my D750 for Fujifilm X100V or ZFC.
I can use my F mount lenses on ZFC but on other side X100V is more compact and seems to be better to carry everyday.
I’m not sure how the ISO handling versus D750. Probably the full frame sensor will win this game.
I hope you did not change! d750 still rocks!
Maybe use XT30 to compare with this Nikon? You like the Auto mode, XT30 has it. You can't carry on your neck cause the Nikon is lighter? Pair the XT30 with the entry XC1650 like you did with the Nikon? The lens on Nikon is called by Nikon as "The lightest Z Lens". If you put the XC on XT30, they will weight about the same.
The 16-50 dx native lens is a keeper for me. I have all bases covered with this from landscape to portrait at 50mm. Yes I agree that there might be gotcha moments with the shooting like the articulating screen flaking out on me at various angles. That’s what I really hate about it. The video is stunning with the articulating screen. Proper vlogging material. Nikon has a winner even with the silver 16-50mm dx lens.
I'm still trying to find the joy in photography. Got back into it with Fuji (X-E2 then Pro-2), and I loved it. But after a big time case of G.A.S, I sold that kit and got into the Canon R6. It's been ok and the images are nice, but it's so big and heavy by comparison (especially with the 24-105 f/4) that I rarely take it out except on special occasions. Now I'm looking at these two, but the Fuji (now X-T4) is the clear choice for me. Honestly, I don't care about specs, full-frame vs APSC, etc... I just want to have fun and be motivated to get out and shoot every day.
The A on the Fuji dials might be nice for photographers, who know, what this means, but I think the solution with the mode dial is definitely easier and more intuitive to use. And I think the camera isn't aimed at us enthusiasts, so... The Zf with full frame sensor is coming, I am pretty sure and that will probably be more focused on enthusiasts, like with the Z5 and Z50.
I have a Fujifilm X-T2 with the 18-50mm kit lens. I do enjoy the camera very much, but was considering switching to a Z fc due to hearing that Canon lenses convert better to Nikon than Fujifilm (wife has a Canon R7 and we have invested in quality EF mount Sigma lenses and it would be nice to share them. Does anyone have thoughts or experience in this area?
As far as the M, A, S, P, and Auto. You could have read the owner’s handbook and you’d have been using the M mode for complete control of your camera. For consumer grade Nikon products, the A will only allow you to set Aperture, S is for shutter, Auto will not let you have any control, and P will let you set exposure compensation. If you wanted to use both the aperture and shutter dials, then it should have been set to M (manual).
I'm pretty sure the guy that's been shooting professional for years understands PASM modes. What Tony is saying is that the Fuji makes it easier to leave Aperture priority (since letting the camera use it's automatic metering is obviously very useful) to manually set shutter speed because all you need to do is switch the Shutter dial from it's Auto mode to the speed you need. The Nikon forces you to firstly switch mode then adjust the Shutter dial. It's an extra step that gets in the way of quick adjustments and defeats the entire point of dedicated exposure dials.
On the flip side, you could also take advantage of this Nikon feature for different lighting/subjects in the same shoot by choosing the needed shutter and switching between the Aperture Priority and Manual modes depending on your momentary need. All the same, on a Fuji you can just still turn only the Shutter dial to achieve the same thing, though I personally wish Fuji switched the Auto mode to the opposite side of the shutter speed range instead of being at the highest.
@@sean_mc What he says makes no sense. If you need both aperture and shutter, than simply switch the dial to M. A never gives you the right shutter speed anyway When your tracking. So, I always use M for manual when shooting moving objects. You can also switch from top dial to one of the menu options, or use the front and back command dials. At least on mine.
Despite this review, the Zfc is a runaway success. The lens is sharp, small, light but not fast. Why not compare this to a Fuji X-s10 or an X-t4 ? Is it not worthy? The X-S10 is great but the 16-80mm seems soft compared to this Nikon "kit" lens. Personally, I prefer the grip on the Z50. There are 4 or 5 third-party lens makers using the Z mount, only two do AF. There are two native Nikon Z lenses wider than 16mm. The Nikon Z 20mm f1.8 is wonderful.
Toni, the A-M-P-S Mode dail is there due to patent BS. They would have changed it if they were legaly allowed.
You needed a pro consumer camera like the X-T3 to go after a beginner’s camera like the Zfc. Just shows you how good those Nikon cameras are compared to its competitor.
The XT-3 is now in the same price range so it does absolutely make sense to compare them in my opinion. Also you should consider that Fujifilm more or less put the XT-3 in the lower Consumer Tier by releasing the XT-4 not to long after the XT-3.
Would an XT20 be better just for photos? Taking into account the price
What happened to the Fujifilm updates? Rather than the Nikon Zfc & iPhone!
The two different A mode dials to choose PASM was fixed by Panasonic on my LC-1.. 18 years ago... am I missing something?
But Tony is right, make it fun. That's why even with my A7Riii I still enjoy my K1/5s, X20 and FpL.. or even my Pl5/M10s or Nikon 1s (when their nylon aperture gears don't break.. nikon looking at you, while I get brass ones from Taiwan)
But let's be honest, the Zfc like the KP or Pen, is harking back to the days we enjoyed more than pixel peeping in LR.. we enjoyed getting out there and *trying* to take fantastic photos.. must be why so many manual lens adapters are sold....
I have the ZFC …and I shoot the D850..I love this small retro camera , light , sharp… 2 kit lenses that I kept from my Z50 the focus ..priceless…If I shoot in a pro setting…of course I will use my d850 for everyday zfc is my way to go…
Regarding the mode dial "problem"- couldn't Tony just use auto iso with min shutter speed in tandem with aperture mode ?
Glad to see Nikon is finally making cameras with flip screen. I bought a D5600 for this reason, it was the only Nikon camera with flip screen at the time
the D5300 I used to have also had one. So did the D7200.
@@batsonelectronics I have a D7200. I haven't noticed that it has a flip screen. Maybe I should have a close look ;).
Was that a typo?
@@feraudyh D7500. I guess it isn't a flip either but it does come out for above or below shooting. The D5300 did have a fully flippy screen however, 3 generations before the D5600.
Turn spot meter on if your in eye auto focus to get the exposure correct in low light on your subject.