@@Elly3981 She would've tried the Picard route until it was blatantly obvious that is wasn't working, then make a hard left into the Sisko route. Janeway didn't fk around.
Picard would have told Quark how, by playing nice with the strikers, he would have shown how great of a business man he was to the Federation and the Federation would have possibly given Quark some new and profitable business opportunities in the Delta Quadrant. Sisko played the hardball route, Picard would have pointed out how Quark is on a Federation station and if word got out that Quark was treating his workers like this, it would have looked bad on the Federation. The Federation would not have put up with the bad publicity and would resolve the situation themselves if need be, but that there could be profit to be made if this embarrassing situation was dealt with properly.
"Do you know how much Latinum that is?" "...A lot." "That's right." ".... I'll talk to my brother." Absolutely amazing to see Quark cave when he realizes he's beat.
I don't know how much it was going to be but it would have been awesome to know. Probably a lot more than what quark can afford to pay. Sisko could demand it all at once I love this scene. It's so funny
The brilliance is that by threatening the “deal” Quark enjoys with the station, it gives Quark an “out” to defend negotiating with strikers. A business deal to protect a better business deal.
Yeah, I like how Sisko says "I may not know much about Ferengi culture" and then immediately demonstrates he knows everything he needs to about Ferengi culture 😁
honestly if Quark was as smart as he thinks he is he would have been able to use Sisko's threat to push Brunt to accept his situation. And if Brunt didn't like it, he could talk to Sisko if he likes. Sisko knows Ferengi's enough to probably demand a bribe from Brunt for the meeting... show him some respect after all.
I arrested a family member of a General on a Friday afternoon. He knew me because I usually got to drive for his wife. He looked at me, asked some questions. I'll come by and get her Monday morning. You have a good weekend, Lance Corporal. It was priceless to see a smug expression disappear. She also had to apologize to me.
He was just spanking them without making any sort of "official" Star Fleet action over an embrassing situation, that wasn't really critical because it was just something that got out of control unintentionally. The sign of a good commanding officer.
"Rom, we shouldn't be fighting. We're brothers." "Not when it comes to business! We're nothing but an employer and an employee. You said so yourself." "I was wrong." "No! You weren't..." I love how they're both right here.
Its simple. Hit him in the wallet - if it will cost Quark financially then he's pretty easy to 'convince' - of course, you need the authority behind you to make Quark do as you bid him. Which Sisko had being Captain of the station haha!
@@ryancarroll3957 When you think about it, lack of having to pay for rent, power consumption and maintenance repairs.......Quark's bottom line should have been pretty healthy. His only outgoings were the wages of his staff, and the general expenses for food items that perhaps couldn't be replicated. Can you imagine running a bar somewhere today and not having to pay rent/mortgage or your electricity and maintenance costs?? I'd bet you'd be sitting pretty cushy financially without those cost burdens to your business!!
@@Mark73 Marxist are simpler, they destroy the culture of their nation while stealing and eliminating all the rich and successful people of their nation
@@LordTalax It's Ferengi and Bajorans who work in the bar, not Fed citizens. They still use money. And even then, they're still working under conditions that no federation employee would tolerate
The Federation are so generous a landlord that I think Quark still charges a nominal fee for the storage of all the furniture they needed to put somewhere...
Yeah, because Brunt took every last slip of latinum he had. His friends might have been helping him, but Sisko knew that Quark was still a Ferengi, and had to save what little face he had left.
I love the look on Quarks face after he says what's happened to you!!?? It's like he could never fathom the idea that his brother would grow a backbone and refuse him. I wonder if he realizes that he is a very reason why Rom decided to become more than he was.
It's also the fact that quark's brother is basically a ferengi communist... Like a pacifist Klingon or emotional Vulcan Seeing a ferengi say "Workers of the world unite!" is such a crazy scene
@@bigdawg77 rom wasn't like that in the early seasons. In season 1 and 2 he was a normal greedy sexist cutthroat ferenghi. I liked him. Then the writers decided to make him everything anti ferengi
@@bigdawg77 This was my take on it. A ferengi quoting communist ideals would be akin to someone who grew up in a conservative Christian society quoting Marilyn Manson lyrics at his still very Christian brother
I was just thinking how easily influenced Rom is, this is the kind of person the enemy seeks out to turn traitor and undermine a group. Rom is the weak link in the quest for Latium.
Don't be so sure. Quark negotiated or applied for his rental contract back when DS9 was a backwater with little going for it. It was probably quite cheap back then.
I presume Starfleet subsidizes the bar as a necessary "morale and welfare" feature of the station. IIRC since Terek Nor was not built for comfort, Quark has the only holosuites on the station, too. Otherwise everybody would just sit in their cabins, watch movies and eat from the replicator.
@@Rutherford_Inchworm_IIIyou just stumbled on to a major point. Quark has the only holosuits. The power, maintenance and repair to run those must cost an exorbitant amount outside of nonprofit cultures. Enough to possibly bankrupt Quark instantly, he had to fold as soon as Sisko pressured him
@@Rutherford_Inchworm_IIImore like they didn't charge because it's the federation they have no use for the money they use an independent external currency when dealing with outside nations and have no internal currency
Characters like Brunt and Grand Nagus Zek do not get the Credit they deserve...Both Actors were Phenomenal in their Roles...Quark was so Brilliant that he Overshadowed rest of The Ferengi Characters...Zek was GREAT!!
The fact that he isn't paying the rent or maintenance cost of his bar just shows how greedy Quark is and why the whole motion of laying workers off or cutting their salary due to high cost is BS.
Really? That's your takeaway? Sounds like Quark should have been evicted to me. But then again, the Federation are very generous _landlords_ Almost like they're the ones providing the real value in this debacle.
Seems like they put that in there just to make certain Quark is the bad guy. Hard to believe that the Fedaration offered such a good deal when any modest rent would do, and it's hard to imagine Quark being in a situation where he can suddenly be charged exhorbitant back-rent he never agreed to in a lease. You don't open a business without some guarantee of what the rules are. This whole episode is a mess.
@@insensitive919 Quark ran the bar for Cardassian occupiers while the promenade was full of Bajoran slaves being worked to death. Quark's whole backstory is that he is a terrible person.
@@insensitive919 If there's a lease agreement, by definition Quark, as the lessee agreed to the rent. His landlords just haven't been collecting it or maintenance fees. And it's not necessarily that he can't afford the back rent, but more that he doesn't want to pay it, because it will affect his profits more than ending the strike.
It shows that the federation is a post scarcity society that did not ASK for those things. He paid those things under cardassian control. The federations just a very generous landlord. They only threatened to change that due to the situation. If he was still under cardassian control, he might have gone out of business due to the added costs. It is a safe bet he could afford to pay better wages and doesn't, because ferengi, but the lack of rent paying doesn't inherently show that. Him being a ferengi suggests that.
1:20 God I love 'Quark vs the Federation' scenes. They're soft the way the ocean is soft. 3:50 This is no longer just a spat between Quark and his brother. He can't have his cake and eat it too. It's gonna be either his brother or his business. Or now, maybe neither.
The Federation is basically Jet-Li in the movie "Fearless." Dude doesn't need to go around pounding his chest and getting into pointless dick-measuring contests. When the chips are down, absolutely NO ONE even compares...
I like how Sisko walks the line on the Prime Directive. Legally, Unions are not allowed in Ferengi society. Sisko gave Quark an ultimatum based on business, not laws or ethics. Neither Fernginar nor Bajor were Federation members and were not bound to Federation laws. Quark ended up losing his license over this and his personal accounts were seized. He could have been executed for his acquiescence to an illegal and subversive act on Rom's part, and Ferenginar orthodoxy was correct in seeing the threat. Rom's example literally changed their society, and placed it on a completely different course on the River. For right or wrong, Sisko was facing a delicate situation. An entire society was on the verge of what could have been a very, very bad civil war fought by people that had no issues with dragging others into their fight and the money to do it.
At worst Quark would have been forced to shut down and pay a hefty fine. Oddly enough Frengei do not believe in capitol punishment. They think its a waste of resources and capital since its far cheaper to strap a slave collar on the criminal and sell them. Even the view of civil war would have been against their own traditions. Its funny, Frengi when introduced by Rodenberry was supposed to be an analog to Western corporate culture. When DS9 happen they ended up becoming more Non Aggression Principle Libertarians. So even if Rom went through with Unionization it would have been a legal fight until either both sides came to a concession.
The Prime Directive only applies to pre-warp societies, so this was not a violation in the eyes of the Federation. As far as meddling in the affairs of advanced civilizations, that's just your standard diplomatic incident. Or a Tuesday on DS9.
@@grygaming5519 But that is not what happened. Brunt (FCA) threatened to seize all of his assets and have the strikers "dealt with". Ferengi may not have the Death Penalty but they frequently have a couple of Naussicans toss someone out an airlock.
@@SCOMBAG The Prime Directive does not only apply to prewarp civs. The Federation was prohibited from entering onto the Klingon Civil War on those grounds. I mean they did sort of interfere, but nobody really follows the Prime Directive.
@@ered203 Well, the way the Prime Directive was formulated, and the way it was "used" throughout the show, was a complete mess. When it comes to pre-warp societies, it's pretty easy to not interfere in their "normal/natural" development. But who the hell could possibly say what providing technology would do to their development? Wouldn't just _talking_ to them affect that "normal development"? What about *_any_* kind of trade or cooperation treaty? Sorry, but unless we're talking about pre-warp societies, the PD is either far too strict (and practically broken each and every time one Starfleet vessel/citizen/... interacts with _any_ alien species, even other Federation members), or it's too vaguely phrased and open to too much interpretation, to the point where it's utterly useless.
0:39 I was always expecting a scene where they argued over who gets the bed/bunk. Instead Bashir just calmly places blame on the other two and claims the bed for himself lol
Bashir was kind of awesome in this scene. He doesn't say "it wasn't me" or anything to the CO, he just admits they all let it get too crazy. But privately he lets his buds know what doofuses they're being haha.
He has the right to be self righteous. The only reason he's there is because they hit him. If you get your best friend landed in jail through your actions and you won't let him get the bed, but knock him out over it, I dunno, sounds like you're the prick with anger issues.@@Ryvaken
I think he did know, he just didn't say it out loud. The reason for not saying it out loud is to avoid the difficulty of giving Latinum a value that can be calculated by pedantic fans and fueling arguments.
@@evenlord7825that also lacks money, and classes... like advanced forms of Marxism. Even if it doesn't resemble modern Marxist systems, it's based on the theories he had. Also before it gets said, the federation was at least some form of socialism before replicators were fully realized. Just look at TOS. It's arguable the only reason the federation isn't fully stateless at this point is because it's under external threat by the likes of the Borg/dominion/romulans. And their true greatest threat, the Ferengi.
Sisko loves to blackmail Quark... He initially blackmailed Quark into staying in the station to operate his bar in exchange for not arresting Nog for theft. Now, blackmailing Quark to stop Rom's Strike Force... LOL 😆😆😆
A bit of an unanswered question is why Sisko would force Quark to break "one of the most sacred precepts of Ferengi culture" by threatening to... break one of the most sacred precepts of Federation culture... namely, that they don't ask for compensation in return for providing services and property. It does make sense from a bargaining perspective why he would leverage Quark in this way, but, as a Federation citizen, is he really allowed to collect if Quark doesn't do what he wants?
Sisko may have been a Federation citizen, but Quark was not. That sums it up. Also, he has no obligation to tell the truth to Quark. It could easily have been a bluff.
because he knows Quark thinks the Federation - humans especially - are a bunch of hypocrites after the same things as Ferengi are. Sisko threatening to break Federation principles to get what he wants only reinforces this belief which plays right back into Sisko's hand
Quark is a capitalist whose business is subsidized by a bunch of socialists to operate on a station owned by neither, because half a decade prior to this doing so was massively helpful to maintaining stability. To a degree, this is Sisko calling that gap in ideology into focus. "We can do this the ferengi way, or we can keep doing it the federation way. Your choice."
No that's not right remember Ds9 is owned by the Bagoran government leased to the Federation, They could charge rent and the Federation is paying it for use of the station.
I don’t think it would be breaking Federation principles for the Federation to seek compensation in some terms from an outsider using their stuff. Not seeking a profit, just replace what was used and all that. Particularly when it comes to dealing with a Bajoran space station. Something to keep in mind is that Sisko had to strong-arm Quark into staying on DS9 at the start of the series, because he knew that commerce was needed for the stability of the station, and Bajor itself. He no doubt included the whole “lax landlord” stuff as a way to make it easier on Quark to stay, so he wouldn’t constantly be grumbling. And, well, if he needed to strongarm Quark ever again…
The best way to attack a Ferengi like Quark is threatening his wallet. Five years of backed rent would've set Quark back by a lot. Adding the power bill and the repairs, well, Quark would need at least three more jobs to pay that all off. I have my views on unions. They have and continue to do a lot of good. Sometimes though, certain demands makes one scratch their heads. I worked, briefly, for the Department of Veteran Affairs at one of their hospitals, and it was very confusing. One of the federal union demands was not having a time clock. I don't know about you, but running a hospital or other establishment on basically the honor system hurts more than helps. Now, as I said, unions have done a lot of good and continue to do so. Just make sure your demands are not confusing and be ready to compromise.
It's true that time management is important to the function of a hospital, but that specific demand makes sense. With something like a time summary system you can access information like whether you took a meal or how long you stayed late. You can't do that easily with a clock system, which makes it much harder to keep a paycheck straight and much easier for the hospital to nickel and dime its own staff. Exactly the kind of thing unions are there to keep from happening.
@vondondolo1582 Sure, with something like a federal system, it would make sense. In my experience, though, I jumped from the private sector in the federal and the adjustment was confusing. I began looking for different work after the first month at the VA. There are those that thrive in places like that and others that don't.
How the hell was Quark ever in debt. He had no overhead costs whatsoever!?! He was sitting on a mountain of latinum and he was still in debt. Lol what a terrible businessman lol
@@abooga8 I'm pretty sure the actual reason is that he owed tremendous debts back home. He's making pure profit here but Ferengi economics are built to keep those in power safe from upstarts.
When your business is doing well, it's a smart idea to borrow money to further invest. A lot of companies are deeply in debt while being highly profitable: as long as you earn more than the interest rate, borrowing money is a good idea... especially when bankruptcy has little effect on you personally.
He uses the threat of not paying the bills. But (and I haven’t watched the show mind you) I thought part of the incentive was that he wouldn’t have to pay for those things solely because having a bar would draw in customers aboard their station and would be an asset.
No. Sisko wanted a "community leader" back when the station had just been abandoned by the Cardassians and everyone was leaving in droves. But now Quark has prospered under the Federation, and his refusal to end the strike is disrupting numerous things on DS9. Sisko has no incentive to play nice.
The reason quark probably gets in the clear here is that now he can point to that it wasn't that he negotiated with the Strikers he negotiated with Sisko and that was the condition Sisko had in order to not call in the "free" rent Quark had accrued.
Yeah I think he could make a convincing case to the tower of commerce. Even they would boggle at the amount of latinum Quark would owe. Presumably even in a lump sum. Wouldn't be good enough for Brunt but that's because *he* prioritises his vendetta over making money. You know, like a bad Ferengi.
@@AW-sx8hm IDK about that, sure he really wanted to screw Quark over one time, but he's been willing to take a bribe more often than not, he even worked for Quark one episode. And he was ultimately willing to sell his pride when he thought Quark was going to become Grand Negus.
Sisko could have also reminded him about all the times he let Quark get off the hook for things that he has done...well except the large scale gun running, since Sisko let him off on the small scale gun running.
@@RandomAmerican3000 Truth. If Sisko had given a number by the end of the night that episode premiered fans would've boiled it down to an itemized list and used it as a basis to establish a theoretical value chart between GPL and Starfleet's moneyless system and then it would've been a never-ending argument.
It doesn't seem correct that Sisko doesn't own the lease of Quark as a representative of the Bajorqn government, but as a representative of the Federation. The Bajoran government uses money. Such an economy would undoubtedly see giving a bar owner free space on a prime space station as favoritism. If I were Quark's competitor I would be pissed - why does he get the space and I don't. Money is surely involved in the day-to-day running of the space station, its Bajoran workers, and civilian populace. Sisko has a budget.
This an example of what is happening today , in reality , with the big 3 automakers in the United States . Toyota sees the U A W COMING FOR THEM , and the workers have gotten a raise in wages . Ferengy are a democracy . And now you can see where this is going . The federation could charge rent , but they don’t . But they are still tenants of the station . And as such must earn their keep around the station . From maintenance to entertainment , every thing is connected to sustain the standerds of living they enjoy . There are no squatters !
I still wish Brunt and Weyoun had a chance to meet onscreen. Maybe discuss the philosophy of their two peoples. It would have been an enlightening conversation.
Solution is quite obvious. Quark does not pay rent, but could. If he gives into the employee demands for pay the Ferengi government will come after him. Quark should agree to pay rent to the station, and then Captain Sisko should give that money to the employees.
I think Quark is viewed tolerantly because he sold food to Bajorans on the black market at cost (or just above cost, as he insists to Brunt) but in Business as Usual Kira says Hagarth and weapon merchants like him are owed a debt for providng weapons to the resistance, not Quark. It is implied Quark is now extended that same blind eye because he is Hagarth's associate. Transcript of the scene: Security office] QUARK: None of these charges are going to stick. I haven't broken any laws. I have a license to run holosuites. ODO: But you don't have a license to sell weapons, do you? QUARK: I defy you to prove that I brought a single weapon onto the station. ODO: It's a mere technicality. We both know what you're doing. And I promise you, you're going to face the consequences. SISKO: Not today, he isn't. (Sisko and Kira enter.) SISKO: Let him go. ODO: Let him go? SISKO: Major, tell the Constable what you told me. KIRA: The Bajoran government insists that Deep Space Nine not interfere with the lawful transactions of Hagath or his associates. Hagath supplied arms to the Resistance. Without him, or people like him, we'd all be dead. The Cardassians would still be in power. We owe him. ODO: Captain! SISKO: I don't like it any more than you do. QUARK: Better luck next time. SISKO: You better hope there isn't a next time, mister. I have cut you a lot of slack in the past. I even looked away once or twice when I could have come down hard on you. But those days are over. Now, we may not be able to get you for selling weapons but you so much as litter on the Promenade and I will nail you to the wall. (Sisko leaves.) KIRA: Something to look forward to.
Picard: I'm sure there's a way to resolve this diplomatically.
Sisko: Fix this or I'm billing you for five years of headaches.
Wonder what Janeway would have said?
@@Elly3981 She would've tried the Picard route until it was blatantly obvious that is wasn't working, then make a hard left into the Sisko route. Janeway didn't fk around.
@@CoralCopperHead True. I think even Picard and Archer would go the Sisko route if they were pushed hard enough.
Janeway would have got a cup of coffee and had Chakotay take care of it.@@Elly3981
Picard would have told Quark how, by playing nice with the strikers, he would have shown how great of a business man he was to the Federation and the Federation would have possibly given Quark some new and profitable business opportunities in the Delta Quadrant.
Sisko played the hardball route, Picard would have pointed out how Quark is on a Federation station and if word got out that Quark was treating his workers like this, it would have looked bad on the Federation. The Federation would not have put up with the bad publicity and would resolve the situation themselves if need be, but that there could be profit to be made if this embarrassing situation was dealt with properly.
"Do you know how much Latinum that is?"
"...A lot."
"That's right."
".... I'll talk to my brother." Absolutely amazing to see Quark cave when he realizes he's beat.
Quark knows that the fights alone inside his bar would leave him bankrupt through his grandchildren's life spans 😂
Quark was more see through than a Chiffon prom dress in the rain the SECOND he heard "Five years of back rent, plus power consumption, plus repairs."
it just snapped that he was never charged because his business was supposed to be functional
I don't know how much it was going to be but it would have been awesome to know.
Probably a lot more than what quark can afford to pay. Sisko could demand it all at once
I love this scene. It's so funny
The brilliance is that by threatening the “deal” Quark enjoys with the station, it gives Quark an “out” to defend negotiating with strikers. A business deal to protect a better business deal.
Yeah, I like how Sisko says "I may not know much about Ferengi culture" and then immediately demonstrates he knows everything he needs to about Ferengi culture 😁
honestly if Quark was as smart as he thinks he is he would have been able to use Sisko's threat to push Brunt to accept his situation. And if Brunt didn't like it, he could talk to Sisko if he likes. Sisko knows Ferengi's enough to probably demand a bribe from Brunt for the meeting... show him some respect after all.
@@Tim3.14 he is probably the closest human capitalist in that era.
I love Sisko leaving three members of his senior staff in the brig. 😂😂😂
for the night🤣🤣🤣
you KNOW odo loved it.
justice for all.
I arrested a family member of a General on a Friday afternoon. He knew me because I usually got to drive for his wife. He looked at me, asked some questions. I'll come by and get her Monday morning. You have a good weekend, Lance Corporal. It was priceless to see a smug expression disappear. She also had to apologize to me.
@@harveyhams1572 yeah even a short stay can be enough to get the message across
He was just spanking them without making any sort of "official" Star Fleet action over an embrassing situation, that wasn't really critical because it was just something that got out of control unintentionally.
The sign of a good commanding officer.
"Rom, we shouldn't be fighting. We're brothers."
"Not when it comes to business! We're nothing but an employer and an employee. You said so yourself."
"I was wrong."
"No! You weren't..."
I love how they're both right here.
Classic example of how a philosophy changes hands depending on who has the power.
If I recall correctly, there is a rule of acquisition (that Warf quotes?), that says treat family like debtors, exploit them.
“I don’t know much about ferengi culture....” (proceeds to use ferengi tactics to convince quark to do what he wants)
it isn't easy to strong-arm a Ferengi ...... but Benjamin did have ALL the leverage.
That was his way of saying “I don’t care about Ferengi culture” without saying that outright.
Rule of Acquisition 111: “Treat people in your debt like family… exploit them.”
He learned them from Quark.
@@dhinton1 That leverage is the result of the people under Quark Employ not being bond by Ferangi law
Sisko always knew which buttons to push to 'convince' Quark.
Its simple. Hit him in the wallet - if it will cost Quark financially then he's pretty easy to 'convince' - of course, you need the authority behind you to make Quark do as you bid him. Which Sisko had being Captain of the station haha!
Extortion, using the holy staff... extortion again...
@@ryancarroll3957 When you think about it, lack of having to pay for rent, power consumption and maintenance repairs.......Quark's bottom line should have been pretty healthy. His only outgoings were the wages of his staff, and the general expenses for food items that perhaps couldn't be replicated. Can you imagine running a bar somewhere today and not having to pay rent/mortgage or your electricity and maintenance costs?? I'd bet you'd be sitting pretty cushy financially without those cost burdens to your business!!
Capitalists are a simple people
@@Mark73 Marxist are simpler, they destroy the culture of their nation while stealing and eliminating all the rich and successful people of their nation
I love how the Federation is post-scarcity but understands the concept of scarcity. “You’re very generous people.” “Until today.” 😂
Federation seems to oddly deal with property rights.
Sisko knows that the best way to deal with Ferengi is throught what THEY value. ;)
I like how Sisko's way of ending the strike is to put the pressure on Quark, rather than the striking workers
It is pity that the person that let Elon Musk live in their home rent-free didn't do the same.
It IS a station under federation/bajoran law! & they cant really have exploited workers
Sisko was using ferengi tactics 😂😅
He wants a lot of money for a people that don't use money and skip around saying life is just to better yourselves.
@@LordTalax It's Ferengi and Bajorans who work in the bar, not Fed citizens. They still use money. And even then, they're still working under conditions that no federation employee would tolerate
Sisko and Quark didn't have a lot of interactions with each other compared to other characters on DS9, but when they did, it was always gold.
Don't you mean, gold pressed latinum? ;)
I love it when Federation members use the "I'm a nice guy. Do you remember what happens when I stop being nice?"
The Federation are so generous a landlord that I think Quark still charges a nominal fee for the storage of all the furniture they needed to put somewhere...
Yeah, because Brunt took every last slip of latinum he had. His friends might have been helping him, but Sisko knew that Quark was still a Ferengi, and had to save what little face he had left.
@@specialk9424 And that Sisko realized that Quark got put in that position because of his own demand.
I always laugh at Sisko pausing before “in the morning”, like he was giving them false hope. 🤣🤣🤣
I love the look on Quarks face after he says what's happened to you!!?? It's like he could never fathom the idea that his brother would grow a backbone and refuse him. I wonder if he realizes that he is a very reason why Rom decided to become more than he was.
It's also the fact that quark's brother is basically a ferengi communist... Like a pacifist Klingon or emotional Vulcan
Seeing a ferengi say "Workers of the world unite!" is such a crazy scene
@@bigdawg77 rom wasn't like that in the early seasons. In season 1 and 2 he was a normal greedy sexist cutthroat ferenghi. I liked him. Then the writers decided to make him everything anti ferengi
@@bigdawg77 yeah it was like a reading out of mein kampf
@@bigdawg77 This was my take on it. A ferengi quoting communist ideals would be akin to someone who grew up in a conservative Christian society quoting Marilyn Manson lyrics at his still very Christian brother
I was just thinking how easily influenced Rom is, this is the kind of person the enemy seeks out to turn traitor and undermine a group. Rom is the weak link in the quest for Latium.
Remember Sisko was on the Academy wrestling squad. He knows how to twist arms.
Except Vulcan ones...
@@katynewt He had cardassian assassins for that
The BALLS on Bashir saying that between a Klingon and an Irishman
He was severely lucky he wasnt stood next to a Scotsman...
Not really would you beat up the only Doctor on a space station.
They can get another doctor. At least, that appears to be the thought O'Brien & Worf share after Bashir mouths off.
Bashir had big balls. And he emptied them regularly into Ezri
We love you Rene, rest well.
All that stuff Sisko mentioned such as rent, repairs and power consumption must've been 100,000 bars of latinum at least.
Don't be so sure. Quark negotiated or applied for his rental contract back when DS9 was a backwater with little going for it. It was probably quite cheap back then.
I presume Starfleet subsidizes the bar as a necessary "morale and welfare" feature of the station. IIRC since Terek Nor was not built for comfort, Quark has the only holosuites on the station, too. Otherwise everybody would just sit in their cabins, watch movies and eat from the replicator.
@@Rutherford_Inchworm_IIIyou just stumbled on to a major point. Quark has the only holosuits. The power, maintenance and repair to run those must cost an exorbitant amount outside of nonprofit cultures. Enough to possibly bankrupt Quark instantly, he had to fold as soon as Sisko pressured him
LMFAO
DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH LATNUM THAT IS??
... Alot.
@@Rutherford_Inchworm_IIImore like they didn't charge because it's the federation they have no use for the money they use an independent external currency when dealing with outside nations and have no internal currency
Characters like Brunt and Grand Nagus Zek do not get the Credit they deserve...Both Actors were Phenomenal in their Roles...Quark was so Brilliant that he Overshadowed rest of The Ferengi Characters...Zek was GREAT!!
The fact that he isn't paying the rent or maintenance cost of his bar just shows how greedy Quark is and why the whole motion of laying workers off or cutting their salary due to high cost is BS.
Really? That's your takeaway?
Sounds like Quark should have been evicted to me. But then again, the Federation are very generous _landlords_
Almost like they're the ones providing the real value in this debacle.
Seems like they put that in there just to make certain Quark is the bad guy.
Hard to believe that the Fedaration offered such a good deal when any modest rent would do, and it's hard to imagine Quark being in a situation where he can suddenly be charged exhorbitant back-rent he never agreed to in a lease. You don't open a business without some guarantee of what the rules are. This whole episode is a mess.
@@insensitive919 Quark ran the bar for Cardassian occupiers while the promenade was full of Bajoran slaves being worked to death. Quark's whole backstory is that he is a terrible person.
@@insensitive919 If there's a lease agreement, by definition Quark, as the lessee agreed to the rent. His landlords just haven't been collecting it or maintenance fees. And it's not necessarily that he can't afford the back rent, but more that he doesn't want to pay it, because it will affect his profits more than ending the strike.
It shows that the federation is a post scarcity society that did not ASK for those things.
He paid those things under cardassian control. The federations just a very generous landlord. They only threatened to change that due to the situation.
If he was still under cardassian control, he might have gone out of business due to the added costs.
It is a safe bet he could afford to pay better wages and doesn't, because ferengi, but the lack of rent paying doesn't inherently show that. Him being a ferengi suggests that.
I just realized he became a Rom-munist.
RIP Odo :(
Bobaklives I am just now learning of Auberjonois’ passing!! Never knew he was sick, let alone lung cancer :’(
Still can't believe he's gone, he was one of the best.
Without a doubt, DS9 had the best acting and writing of any of the ST's
not quite true. Even on its best day it couldn't match Patrick Stewart
Stewart's monologues kill it. Though Brooks monologue to close 'In the Pale Moonlight' rivals the best of Stewart's Picard monos
I've said this before on other channels, people like to argue Kirk or Picard. I will ALWAYS say Sisko.
1:20 God I love 'Quark vs the Federation' scenes.
They're soft the way the ocean is soft.
3:50 This is no longer just a spat between Quark and his brother. He can't have his cake and eat it too. It's gonna be either his brother or his business. Or now, maybe neither.
The Federation is basically Jet-Li in the movie "Fearless." Dude doesn't need to go around pounding his chest and getting into pointless dick-measuring contests. When the chips are down, absolutely NO ONE even compares...
Wait a second, did Rom just quote the Communist Manifesto?!
"What's happened to you?"
Yeah, I think someone needs to explain to him that Communism isn't a good ideology to follow.
@@SimpleNobody2420 well ultra capitalism didn’t help those staff.
@@ciaranbrk That Too, That Too. I won't argue that.
Name one communist society that wasn’t threatened by capitalists?
Sisko knows exactly how to manipulate a Ferengi.
I love how Rom became a totally new man as a result of this episode.
"I've been deposed I'm no longer Grand Nagus"
"Then who is?!."
"Who do you think?!"
"...Brunt..."
I like how Sisko walks the line on the Prime Directive. Legally, Unions are not allowed in Ferengi society. Sisko gave Quark an ultimatum based on business, not laws or ethics. Neither Fernginar nor Bajor were Federation members and were not bound to Federation laws. Quark ended up losing his license over this and his personal accounts were seized. He could have been executed for his acquiescence to an illegal and subversive act on Rom's part, and Ferenginar orthodoxy was correct in seeing the threat. Rom's example literally changed their society, and placed it on a completely different course on the River. For right or wrong, Sisko was facing a delicate situation. An entire society was on the verge of what could have been a very, very bad civil war fought by people that had no issues with dragging others into their fight and the money to do it.
At worst Quark would have been forced to shut down and pay a hefty fine. Oddly enough Frengei do not believe in capitol punishment. They think its a waste of resources and capital since its far cheaper to strap a slave collar on the criminal and sell them. Even the view of civil war would have been against their own traditions.
Its funny, Frengi when introduced by Rodenberry was supposed to be an analog to Western corporate culture. When DS9 happen they ended up becoming more Non Aggression Principle Libertarians. So even if Rom went through with Unionization it would have been a legal fight until either both sides came to a concession.
The Prime Directive only applies to pre-warp societies, so this was not a violation in the eyes of the Federation.
As far as meddling in the affairs of advanced civilizations, that's just your standard diplomatic incident. Or a Tuesday on DS9.
@@grygaming5519 But that is not what happened. Brunt (FCA) threatened to seize all of his assets and have the strikers "dealt with". Ferengi may not have the Death Penalty but they frequently have a couple of Naussicans toss someone out an airlock.
@@SCOMBAG The Prime Directive does not only apply to prewarp civs. The Federation was prohibited from entering onto the Klingon Civil War on those grounds. I mean they did sort of interfere, but nobody really follows the Prime Directive.
@@ered203 Well, the way the Prime Directive was formulated, and the way it was "used" throughout the show, was a complete mess. When it comes to pre-warp societies, it's pretty easy to not interfere in their "normal/natural" development. But who the hell could possibly say what providing technology would do to their development? Wouldn't just _talking_ to them affect that "normal development"? What about *_any_* kind of trade or cooperation treaty?
Sorry, but unless we're talking about pre-warp societies, the PD is either far too strict (and practically broken each and every time one Starfleet vessel/citizen/... interacts with _any_ alien species, even other Federation members), or it's too vaguely phrased and open to too much interpretation, to the point where it's utterly useless.
People might wonder how Rom could possibly be elevated to Grand Nagus, but as a worker he managed to negotiate a union
I give this episode top Marx.
You gotta appreciate how quickly the responses came as soon as latinum was mentioned.
0:39 I was always expecting a scene where they argued over who gets the bed/bunk. Instead Bashir just calmly places blame on the other two and claims the bed for himself lol
Bashir was kind of awesome in this scene. He doesn't say "it wasn't me" or anything to the CO, he just admits they all let it get too crazy. But privately he lets his buds know what doofuses they're being haha.
@@jerodast This is known as the "self-righteous prick" move. It often ends with a hypospray for the pain and an appointment with a dermal regenerator.
He has the right to be self righteous. The only reason he's there is because they hit him. If you get your best friend landed in jail through your actions and you won't let him get the bed, but knock him out over it, I dunno, sounds like you're the prick with anger issues.@@Ryvaken
I always hoped Quark would’ve known exactly how much in latinum it cost
I think on some level, he DID know.. he was just hoping the federation didn't.
Whoops, he found out different.
I think he did know, he just didn't say it out loud. The reason for not saying it out loud is to avoid the difficulty of giving Latinum a value that can be calculated by pedantic fans and fueling arguments.
Imagine the stones on O'Brien to get into a scuff with Worf. I guess there's a reason the Cardassians revere him.
Organized labor is the cornerstone of a functioning society.
The evolution of the Ferengi since their 1st appearance in TNG has been good ..... No longer whip wielding goblins
still miss the whip
1:50 Before browser tabs...
Using different devices for different tasks can happen, even with smartphones.
2:57 Star Trek's first Marxist Ferengi.
... and thankfully their last.
@@jimtaylor294 Thankfully, the Federation as a whole is basically Marxist lmao
@@kolsveinnskraevolding It's a post scarcity liberal democracy not a space communist empire
@@evenlord7825that also lacks money, and classes... like advanced forms of Marxism. Even if it doesn't resemble modern Marxist systems, it's based on the theories he had.
Also before it gets said, the federation was at least some form of socialism before replicators were fully realized. Just look at TOS. It's arguable the only reason the federation isn't fully stateless at this point is because it's under external threat by the likes of the Borg/dominion/romulans. And their true greatest threat, the Ferengi.
Sisko loves to blackmail Quark...
He initially blackmailed Quark into staying in the station to operate his bar in exchange for not arresting Nog for theft.
Now, blackmailing Quark to stop Rom's Strike Force...
LOL 😆😆😆
Sisko DOES know about Ferengi Culture.....
A bit of an unanswered question is why Sisko would force Quark to break "one of the most sacred precepts of Ferengi culture" by threatening to... break one of the most sacred precepts of Federation culture... namely, that they don't ask for compensation in return for providing services and property. It does make sense from a bargaining perspective why he would leverage Quark in this way, but, as a Federation citizen, is he really allowed to collect if Quark doesn't do what he wants?
Sisko may have been a Federation citizen, but Quark was not. That sums it up.
Also, he has no obligation to tell the truth to Quark. It could easily have been a bluff.
because he knows Quark thinks the Federation - humans especially - are a bunch of hypocrites after the same things as Ferengi are. Sisko threatening to break Federation principles to get what he wants only reinforces this belief which plays right back into Sisko's hand
Quark is a capitalist whose business is subsidized by a bunch of socialists to operate on a station owned by neither, because half a decade prior to this doing so was massively helpful to maintaining stability.
To a degree, this is Sisko calling that gap in ideology into focus. "We can do this the ferengi way, or we can keep doing it the federation way. Your choice."
No that's not right remember Ds9 is owned by the Bagoran government leased to the Federation, They could charge rent and the Federation is paying it for use of the station.
I don’t think it would be breaking Federation principles for the Federation to seek compensation in some terms from an outsider using their stuff. Not seeking a profit, just replace what was used and all that. Particularly when it comes to dealing with a Bajoran space station.
Something to keep in mind is that Sisko had to strong-arm Quark into staying on DS9 at the start of the series, because he knew that commerce was needed for the stability of the station, and Bajor itself. He no doubt included the whole “lax landlord” stuff as a way to make it easier on Quark to stay, so he wouldn’t constantly be grumbling. And, well, if he needed to strongarm Quark ever again…
The Matthew 18 unmerciful servant parable fits perfectly.
It's very possible, and even probable, that the writers took inspiration from that.
Quark learned a new unspoken rule of acquisition: “Never bite the hand that feeds you”
"star trek is too political these days"
TNG era star trek:
A FERENGI quotes Marx.
"Uhh Star Trek is Libtard trash these days!"
Star Trek being literally build around liberal ideals since forever.
@@CedricBassman not even liberal - a moneyless, classless society? Radical as hell
Get your point but the difference is they didn't take active sides in modern day party politics in just one country
The politics used to be fun though
The best way to attack a Ferengi like Quark is threatening his wallet. Five years of backed rent would've set Quark back by a lot. Adding the power bill and the repairs, well, Quark would need at least three more jobs to pay that all off.
I have my views on unions. They have and continue to do a lot of good. Sometimes though, certain demands makes one scratch their heads. I worked, briefly, for the Department of Veteran Affairs at one of their hospitals, and it was very confusing. One of the federal union demands was not having a time clock. I don't know about you, but running a hospital or other establishment on basically the honor system hurts more than helps. Now, as I said, unions have done a lot of good and continue to do so. Just make sure your demands are not confusing and be ready to compromise.
It's true that time management is important to the function of a hospital, but that specific demand makes sense. With something like a time summary system you can access information like whether you took a meal or how long you stayed late. You can't do that easily with a clock system, which makes it much harder to keep a paycheck straight and much easier for the hospital to nickel and dime its own staff. Exactly the kind of thing unions are there to keep from happening.
@vondondolo1582 Sure, with something like a federal system, it would make sense. In my experience, though, I jumped from the private sector in the federal and the adjustment was confusing. I began looking for different work after the first month at the VA. There are those that thrive in places like that and others that don't.
Sisko is a genius ❤ quark caved in so bad
That was true all the way back to the series pilot.
Interesting and introspective sci-fi. Please come back.
Quark could see the Price in his head.
he probably knows the numbers exactly. you never know if your landlord presents the bill with the correct sum :)
Sisko was as much a tactician in business as he was on the battlefield.
Money talks, it don't sing and dance but it can talk - loud and clear!
How the hell was Quark ever in debt. He had no overhead costs whatsoever!?! He was sitting on a mountain of latinum and he was still in debt. Lol what a terrible businessman lol
That's what I'd like to know
Because he's a "people person" and ends up picking to run a bar rather than sell weapons where the real profit is at.
@@abooga8 I'm pretty sure the actual reason is that he owed tremendous debts back home. He's making pure profit here but Ferengi economics are built to keep those in power safe from upstarts.
@@MrStrangeUsername so basically capitalism in a nutshell.
When your business is doing well, it's a smart idea to borrow money to further invest.
A lot of companies are deeply in debt while being highly profitable: as long as you earn more than the interest rate, borrowing money is a good idea... especially when bankruptcy has little effect on you personally.
He uses the threat of not paying the bills. But (and I haven’t watched the show mind you) I thought part of the incentive was that he wouldn’t have to pay for those things solely because having a bar would draw in customers aboard their station and would be an asset.
That was in 2369, full four years ago. The station by this time could do without Quark's.
No. Sisko wanted a "community leader" back when the station had just been abandoned by the Cardassians and everyone was leaving in droves. But now Quark has prospered under the Federation, and his refusal to end the strike is disrupting numerous things on DS9. Sisko has no incentive to play nice.
The reason quark probably gets in the clear here is that now he can point to that it wasn't that he negotiated with the Strikers he negotiated with Sisko and that was the condition Sisko had in order to not call in the "free" rent Quark had accrued.
Yeah I think he could make a convincing case to the tower of commerce.
Even they would boggle at the amount of latinum Quark would owe. Presumably even in a lump sum.
Wouldn't be good enough for Brunt but that's because *he* prioritises his vendetta over making money.
You know, like a bad Ferengi.
@@AW-sx8hm IDK about that, sure he really wanted to screw Quark over one time, but he's been willing to take a bribe more often than not, he even worked for Quark one episode. And he was ultimately willing to sell his pride when he thought Quark was going to become Grand Negus.
Sisko could have also reminded him about all the times he let Quark get off the hook for things that he has done...well except the large scale gun running, since Sisko let him off on the small scale gun running.
The Frangi are very focused on numbers, for Quark to just simply say a lot, says a lot about how much it really is
OR the writers didn't want to have to come up with an actual number that they knew the fans would nitpick the hell out of.
@@RandomAmerican3000 Truth. If Sisko had given a number by the end of the night that episode premiered fans would've boiled it down to an itemized list and used it as a basis to establish a theoretical value chart between GPL and Starfleet's moneyless system and then it would've been a never-ending argument.
@@RandomAmerican3000 🤷♂️could be that too
Best show ever made, I mean that
Quark needed to talk to his Mother, she had the lobes in that family!!!
Ben Sisko being a good dad and giving “tough love” to his “kids”!!
Thank you for the videos and congrats on the Speakership.
holy crap the actor who plays Nog played another ferengi in this scene. He just changed his voice, that dude was one good actor.
The look of abject DISGUST on Quark's face at that Marx quote was beautiful. Hands down best acting of all Treks
Quark: "You're a very generous people" *with the tone you would use to accuse a baby-unaliver of unaliving a baby*
It doesn't seem correct that Sisko doesn't own the lease of Quark as a representative of the Bajorqn government, but as a representative of the Federation.
The Bajoran government uses money. Such an economy would undoubtedly see giving a bar owner free space on a prime space station as favoritism. If I were Quark's competitor I would be pissed - why does he get the space and I don't. Money is surely involved in the day-to-day running of the space station, its Bajoran workers, and civilian populace. Sisko has a budget.
I would've loved to see a scene where Brunt and Weyoun both appeared. (Same actor.)
I love how this pro Union Rom eventually becomes the Nagus of the Ferengi 😂
When Sisko goes into Ferengi Mode.
And this is how you lay down the law & get things back on track & "back to normal"
"Workers of the world unite" and "by any means necessary." The Marxist remarks were certainly not subtle in this one.
It's the worst episode of the series for a reason.
This was a good episode
You're a very generous people.
Sisko really twisted Quark’s arm there!
0:40 That look Worf gives O'Brien ... 🤣 ... "Hey Chief, we go way back. Can I kill your friend right here right now?"
They called it the Defiant, because "USS DON'T F--K WITH THE SISKO" wouldn't fit on the hull.
It was a rather small ship, after all...
@@hweidigiv one "tough little ship!"
So, free rent, free utilities, free maintenance. And Quark still wants to under undercut his employees.😮
Unions are in it for themselves.
Isn't This Quaint.
A time before their devices had Bluetooth 😂
... a long time ago, in a galaxy far far away
0:05 Always felt sorry for Bashir in this scene. He was only trying to help and still had to do jail time. So unjust
These days, Rom would have it all one maybe, two pads
I like how mohg becomes leader
...no what does it mean??!!! Now I gotta go watch the episode
Nog is there among the strikers as another Ferengi.
Quark’s is a state run bar.
This an example of what is happening today , in reality , with the big 3 automakers in the United States . Toyota sees the U A W COMING FOR THEM , and the workers have gotten a raise in wages .
Ferengy are a democracy . And now you can see where this is going . The federation could charge rent , but they don’t . But they are still tenants of the station . And as such must earn their keep around the station .
From maintenance to entertainment , every thing is connected to sustain the standerds of living they enjoy .
There are no squatters !
You forgot that the Federation was pretty communist during the next generation time period which overlapped with this one before the war
I suppose the only use the federation would have for latinum would be to convert it to pure energy?
They keep a reserve of it to use when trading with civilizations that still use money, like the Ferengi.
You call Picard to negotiate a deal
You call Sisko to end a problem
Its hilarious seeing Jason Marsden as a Ferengi.
Rom in he own way he is a warrior
The episode where Rom became based
I still wish Brunt and Weyoun had a chance to meet onscreen. Maybe discuss the philosophy of their two peoples. It would have been an enlightening conversation.
And annoying as hell to film and edit (Since it's in essence Jefferey Coombs having a conversation with himself out loud)
4:37 yes but sometimes that ladder can turn upside down thoses you stepped on to get to the top end up above you
Or another way to put it...be nice to the people you see on the way to the top, because you'll see them again on the way back down!
i could of not put it better my self
0:40 - Julian, you're about to get your ass shoved through a bulkhead...
Solution is quite obvious.
Quark does not pay rent, but could.
If he gives into the employee demands for pay the Ferengi government will come after him.
Quark should agree to pay rent to the station, and then Captain Sisko should give that money to the employees.
didn't know Rom was based like that
the fact the ferengi were morally opposite tothe federation made them stand out.
Sisko bending quark over and threatening quark
I think Quark is viewed tolerantly because he sold food to Bajorans on the black market at cost (or just above cost, as he insists to Brunt) but in Business as Usual Kira says Hagarth and weapon merchants like him are owed a debt for providng weapons to the resistance, not Quark. It is implied Quark is now extended that same blind eye because he is Hagarth's associate.
Transcript of the scene:
Security office]
QUARK: None of these charges are going to stick. I haven't broken any laws. I have a license to run holosuites.
ODO: But you don't have a license to sell weapons, do you?
QUARK: I defy you to prove that I brought a single weapon onto the station.
ODO: It's a mere technicality. We both know what you're doing. And I promise you, you're going to face the consequences.
SISKO: Not today, he isn't.
(Sisko and Kira enter.)
SISKO: Let him go.
ODO: Let him go?
SISKO: Major, tell the Constable what you told me.
KIRA: The Bajoran government insists that Deep Space Nine not interfere with the lawful transactions of Hagath or his associates. Hagath supplied arms to the Resistance. Without him, or people like him, we'd all be dead. The Cardassians would still be in power. We owe him.
ODO: Captain!
SISKO: I don't like it any more than you do.
QUARK: Better luck next time.
SISKO: You better hope there isn't a next time, mister. I have cut you a lot of slack in the past. I even looked away once or twice when I could have come down hard on you. But those days are over. Now, we may not be able to get you for selling weapons but you so much as litter on the Promenade and I will nail you to the wall.
(Sisko leaves.)
KIRA: Something to look forward to.
1:50 Rom using 9 iPads at once
>wants higher wages
>9 ipads
Nobody told them about tabs
I think he was combining several reports onto one pad. The pads are different makes and models suggesting different owners
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