My favourite big finish story is when the eighth doctor gets amnesia after falling in his heelies with delboy and noddy. He then ascends to a higher plane of existence and regains his memories with sooty, sweep and sue in their caravan. 10/10
What if the Eighth Doctor never actually suffers amnesia and can remembers everything perfectly? The “memory-loss” thing is just his way of avoiding paying taxes to the Gallifrey Home Revenue Department by acting like an amnesiac and the trick works every time.
This is probably the best Doctor Who channel because it has actual backed up opinions like with the Robots of Death, where many people view it as a classic but it's really overrated. And this channel also has a massive focus on expanded media like Big Finish and Prose whereas other channels may just focus on the TV stuff. For every person that wants you to stop mentioning the audios, there are 50 people who think that this use of expended media boosts the channel over any other.
Gotta agree with you there. Davis is incredibly underrated and easily my joint favourite UA-camr with stubagfull. Both are very funny and clever. My opinions don’t align with them all the time but Davis is a little trivia fountain firing off nuggets of canon without taking it to seriously and realising it’s just a silly show.
Honestly I disagree, not because he makes bad content, but because he's attavked the opinions of his viewers in multiple videos, and insulted them multiple times in the comments, also look up clever dick films, he's my personal favourite
On the subject of 8 losing his memory, there is one brilliant way of how they pulled it off, and that's with the aftermath of 8 destroying Gallifrey. Once he loses his memory throughout the second half of the EDA'S, he becomes a mirrored version of how the 1st Doctor from An Unearthly Child-Edge of Destruction: unpredictable, willing to stab people in the back and violent. In The Burning, you're left to believe that 8 would save the villain from drowning, and he does pick him up, but then suddenly he pushes the villain down with the most blank expression and leaves him to drown, despite his agonising pleas. Or how he uses Alan Turing's sexuality as blackmail, knowing full well that Turing was infatuated with him, so he can stay by the Doctor's side in helping him get back home. Or how he was willing to leave his companions to no longer exist in reality in order to save and fix an alternate Earth. Yeah, people tend to forget, but 8 is soooooo much more darker and manipulative than the 7th Doctor ever could be and 8 may be the most terrifying incarnation because of that. The fact that there's no Ian or Barbara to hold him back, but 8 does learn to grow and try to redeem himself. This is how you do a memory wipe arc, and as a result, it makes the second half of the EDA'S perhaps the greatest run of Doctor Who since the Troughton era.
I have never heard of the Emperor. That was amazing. I feel like no matter how often I have a night of just clicking wiki pages, over & over again, that I'll get tired of stories of weird, alternate or future, Doctors.
I’ll admit, I love the Eighth doctor books, the ones I’ve read at least. But with all these videos talking bout the story arcs that sound legitimately fascinating, I think I’m gonna go all in and try to read them all
Me and my dad would like the history of the ood next please sir. Just binged all of your doctor who retrospectives for the 5th time during lockdown. It’s almost as long as Ecclestone’s entire run. Also name one story with worker robots going evil that wouldn’t be improved with Noodle chops. Robots of death might be interesting if it had ood in it.
@@Ben-vf5gk The War in Heaven has nothing to do with actual Heaven, it's just called that because that's what lower life forms perceived it as. It's basically a Time War like the NuWho one except instead of the Daleks the enemy was a mysterious race just called The Enemy and it ends with Gallifrey being destroyed as well which presumably was then restored in time for the NuWho Time War
2:36 One trait I think that has remained stuck with 13 that they should build on is her over-reliance on tech, she uses it to get out of situations more than her other Drs. Now you may be thinking they just have her use the sonic to resolve the plot because they can't think of other ways to do it and I would definitely agree. But where this actually became a character trait is Can You Hear Me. There we have a villain who contrasts her in terms of abilities (magical powers and psychology) but they also turn her greatest strength against her, just putting her in a room filled with technology and let her go to work, freeing the eternal. And the ending of that ep shows she's definitely better with tech than people and words. Then there's Ascension, she tries to uses tech to exploit cyber weaknesses when that fails so quickly she's demoralized and spends the rest of the episode on the back foot. Other traits I would say are stubborn and suppressive but your criticism of them just affirming that she is the Dr rather than building on these potentially interesting traits more is more than valid.
Yeah, and her lack of grace. Stop using the trait as comedic relief, and actually use it for character moments. It's why I like how she talks to Graham in Can You Hear Me?
@@nightowl8477 I liked it too, an "inspiring" speech or pep talk would have felt really generic, instead, she plays into her awkwardness to make him laugh and tries to think of what to say.
@@Ben-vf5gk - exactly!! People want Capaldi speeches, but they're gone and maybe they should be. I love those speeches, but they were getting tired (see Smile.) This was so much more subtle and character-driven. It kinda warmed my heart a bit. I think a close up on Bradley was needed though, just to confirm that he was reassured and not fucked off.
@@nightowl8477 I actually don't remember Smile being egregious one, but I'm due for a rewatch. I noticed that most new who Doctors have a motif that frequently shows up in their stories; 10-romance, 11- children, 12- teaching/classic who nostalgia. I think technology might be 13's.
That would require a competent show runner and a team of writers who aren’t a bunch of hacks to fully utilise this part of the character as an arc. Also the BBC being willing to lose some of the sweet Sonic Screwdriver toy sales.
Let’s all be honest: we all have no idea what was going on in the BBC 8th Doctor books. If there was a series you could full heartedly say doesn’t fit into...any canon, this would be it. I have no idea what was going on with the War in Heaven, the Elementals, or Sabbath. At least it had some good story ideas we should transfer to other mediums
Pitch for my Doctor Who Story: After getting bonked on the head the Doctor remembers everything they ever forgot, including that acually every living beeing in the universe is an incarnation of the Doctor.
A plot by the fangroup Idiot's Lantern: everyone that ever was or ever will be is (a memory wiped) version of the Doctor - an infinize number of regenerations and full use of a time-machine help a lot for that plot - all üeople, except Adric, fof he came from an alternate universe...
The film Memento is the only time an amnesia storyline is done well and even them its more short term memory problems than amnesia. (sorry wrote this before you got to the Memento reference)
In Memento they use anterograde amnesia, which is the form of amnesia that means that you can't make new memories (convert short-term memories to long-term memories for storage), as oppose to the more commonly retrograde amnesia (which is used in almost all amnesia stories) which means that you can't remember a selection or all past memories.
I decided to do some research on the Amnesia 8th Doctor adventures online and BOY! Did I go deep down the rabbit hole, to the point that I discovered there was a 1997 novel called The Stranger written by Portia Da Costa and published by Virgin Books (of Virgin New Adventures fame) after they lost the Doctor Who license, being part of their Black Lace range, it was an erotic novel featuring a thinly-veiled copyright-free version of the Eighth Doctor falling for the novel's protagonist Claudia Marwood a rich 42-year-old. (No, I am not making this up.) And the crazy thing, Lance Parkin referenced events of that novel and Claudia as a companion in his two of his official Eighth Doctor Adventures books, "Father Time" and the final novel in the line "The Gallifrey Chronicles" basically canonizing it within BBC's official Eight Doctor Adventure novel series. *deep breath* The Wilderness Years was definitely the period where people wanting to write a Doctor Who story went, "Screw It, Let's Go Nuts!"
Regarding Sherlock Holmes, the Big Finish Paternoster Gang series, Heritage, establishes that Conan Doyle steals Madame Vastra's adventures and adapts them into Holmes stories. Vastra gets so irritated by this that she actually sends Strax to threaten him in exactly the sort of way you expect Strax would want to threaten him.
9:22 he doesn't have a ween. Do Time Lords have weens? I've seen your length ranking video, but I'm not convinced. *I reckon he's like an auton down there.*
1:57 Wow that was a good McGann impression. Also, I like to think that the reason Shelly never heard of the Dr or the cybermen in haunting before was that along with other details changed when the universe was rebooted in the Big Bang. Thanks Steven Moffat for a canon plaster that covers most of the show.
Mostly retcons the RTD era tho, which was a bit early. I reckon he should have gotten Silence in Series 5, Cracks in Series 6, and Trenzalore in Series 7.
@@nightowl8477 It still happened but certain little things might have changed. I would quite like if every time there's a canon inconsistency a sign comes up on screen saying "Series 5 finale"
I actually loved the Matrix twist in The Gallifrey Chronicles, as the thought of the Doctor sacrificing his identity to save his people is *chef's kiss* gorgeous, and utterly in character.
The sheer weirdness of the Eighth Doctor Adventures (books, not the audio with Lucie Miller .. although Series 4 really is one of the best succession of stories in DW canon imo) is exactly the flavour of Who I wished the Chibnall era would bring in. I might be one of the few that really love the era right now (Fugitive of the Judoon is basically the Alien Bodies of New Who, let's face it -- done right, we could get the TV equivalents of bangers like The Year of Intelligent Tigers in the future, who knows), and I want the show to fully embrace what it *could* do. Visually speaking, the show's never been better, and the show could really do some more weird, out-there concepts if they tried. Like Can You Hear Me -- more unique episodes. I kinda want someone like Michael Kirkbride (a writer for the Elder Scrolls games in his time) working as a writer for the show.. it'd be next to implausible, but still. Imagine if the guy who basically wrote Morrowind's entire lore and thought up of a god figure who bit off the penis of a rapist demonic deity and used it as a sword (!!) and achieved CHIM (a state of being where you basically break the fourth wall and realize that you're a character in a game) wrote for Doctor Who. It'd be insane.
The 8th Doctor also lost his memory briefly in Dark Eyes 4 ‘ Master of the Daleks’ after he got time rammed. He thought a Dalek was his best friend lol
The Emperor isn't totally out of character for the Doctor, given how he went all Time Lord Victorious in exile on the Inferno Earth, had tea with Mao Tse Tung, and was on first-name terms with Stalin.
At least in the cases of The War Master and River Song audios, the Doctor isn't supposed to know who they are/what that version of them looks like for plot reasons already established in the show. Those amnesia cases are almost needed so it doesn't spoil things for the Doctor when they meet them as the Tenth Doctor. (I JUST realized as I was typing that, for the Doctor, seeing both Yana/War Master and River, and retaining that info, happened as Ten. Weird, but okay.) I haven't listened to the other stories, but I think the Doctor doesn't need to forget things THAT MUCH.
Even so there are other ways around allowing those meetings (like with River’s psychic Wimble in Doom Coalition 3 or perhaps revealing that the Chameleon arch perception filter affects other timelords)
Man oh man, I really love these! 8s recurring amnesia is something about which I think of... all too often. . The other tidbits are glorious icing on the cake!
Technically the 8th Doctor's persistent amnesia problems crosses *two different continuities,* the BBC Books *and* the Big Finish stories (which Moffat declared are part of the NewWho Universe in "Night of the Doctor"). Does this happen in the comics too?
the weird thing about sherlock existing is that its also stated by the great intelligence that mr doyle's books were actually based on vastra and jenny so guess the books aren't actually based on the real sherlock?
Or maybe the universe introduced the paternoster gang to fill the void that Holmes and Watson left to avoid a paradox whilst Conan Doyle was actually remembering the true versions of those events?
davis, u should make a video talking about all the future incarnations of the Doctor, damn I had a headache going through them!! 😬😬 I kept going and going I fell into the hole of so much canon
3:52 You're right, but it's a little more complicated in context. The Gallifrey Chronicles doesn't end with the Doctor's memory restored, or Gallifrey restored, or even the alien menace, the Vore (that name...) defeated! But the pieces on how and why that will occur are laid out, the Doctor will use Compassion and the genetic tank technology from Intereference and Dead Romance to restore the Time Lords and when the Matrix is out of his head, he will get his memories back, in a novel where the theme, and first line, is "The Doctor wins" so you go away feeling like you just read Act 1 and 2 of a story and now it's telling you to imagine Act 3. That was a decision that made a lot of people mad at the time, but Parkin had to leave it open enough, at least the Time Lord bits if not memory, for the TV show to do whatever it wanted (which turned out to be destroy Gallifrey!!). The Gallifrey Chronicles isn't my favorite Parkin, but it is one of the best examinations of the Eighth Doctor's constant memory wiping. Here, in the Earth Arc, the Doctor believes he lost his memories out of shame for what he did and learns that by putting the Matrix into his head, he was actually making a sacrifice for his people, and in doing so, forgives himself. It is very proto Day of the Doctor. Neither bring back Gallifrey on screen or on the page but both suggest it is possible down the road.
Death Note and Quantum Leap are the only two times I can think of where it worked. But even in the latter case it was used to give what would be an otherwise overly qualified character room for growth and development.
It's a shame we never got to see or hear the War Doctor deal with amnesia. That would have made for a powerful story, him forgetting who he is and learning all the terrors he has caused as part of his current incarnation.
@@SamyulDavis Yeah, and slowly but surely he starts to remember the horrors he has witnessed through the course of the narrative, and by the end of the story it hits him harder than ever before...
My favorite Doctor Who book has to be All Consuming Fire just because it blends together Sherlock Holmes and Doctor Who. Also Holmes gets transported to the 21st century to attend a wedding which has a character from pretty much every book with Benny in. The wedding gets interrupted by the Master who has created several copies of the Doctor and the groom for some reason.
This covers all the main plot points whilst missing the gold that is that book. The gay silurians, the parties, the alien bugs from an alternate universe, Dalek wedding vows and the brigader eaten by a giant LOOOOOOM thing...it is mad
Yeah that book is crazy, I also love the idea of a small village just used to aliens and all sorts of things landing and having cricket matches and whatnot.
9.16 , the Doctor Who books of Father Time , The Gallifrey Chronicles ,and the Book of Peace are 3 books that take place Parallel Timeline to the rest of Doctor Who ,because if I remember correctly in this 3 book , the Timelords are decation to made ,not born by a device caled the Loom.
Is "The Emperor" the same incarnation as "The Tyrant" who had no choice, but to force a Time Travel ban when Time Travel Tech became to easy to make thueout the univerce. He had to force His History on everyone in that Era, as any more trying to undo the doctors version of Hisory would would brake the web of time. Rebel factions declared all out war against "The Tyrant of Time" one faction giving backing to Madame Kovarian. or is all that just my head cannon? Then there are some Rebel Factions that worked against "The Tyrant", that were helped/manipulated by some random versions of The Doctor as he randomly became awere of the truth of the situation.
Guys... if canon doesn't matter, and anything is possible if someone can make something, would that count SuperWhoLock works? It may burn in hell, but with as many crossovers exist with the official stamp of approval from the trademark, it burns still, horribly, but alive. Lingering.
@@Ben-vf5gk I'd say that it fairly stands alone well, the Earth arc was meant to be a fresh start after being loaded with Faction Paradox stuff. Just know the context that 8 destroyed Gallifrey and that's all you need to know really. There's also The Infinity Doctors that helps with the lore presented in Father Time, but as said, you can read Father Time on it's own.
@@englishgiraffe2124 Cheers, I'm trying to get the other EDAs but so many of the starting ones Eight Doctors, Vampire Science are expensive in physical form and don't have kindle editions
@@SamyulDavis Ah gotcha. Congrats on your Emperor role in those audios BTW. Haven't given them a listen, yet, but I look forward to doing so. Feels apt. ⏳☄️✨
Bro I’ve never listened to a Doctor Who audiobook and this makes me not want to just because of how much the writers- I mean the 8th doctor loses his memory
I'm sorry ik we're done bashing the timeless child and even I dont mind it but like watching your what I'd do with who video back and hearing the line "it's weird we havent revisited susan" WHY COULD RUTH NOT HAVE BEEN SUSAN WHEN SHE SMASHED THE FOBWATCH. That could have worked. So well. It would have been SO great
weren't l;ooms made canon again y supremacy of the cybermen although I guess the time lords don't need them anymore since leela was able to give birth to the doctor or something. we really need an epsiode were a bunch of kids just go around talking about the doctors supposed origins around a campfire or something
If only Big Finish could remember the 8th Doctor has already lost his memory.
Has anybody checked in on Nick Briggs?
@@SamyulDavis The Master got to him
Pretty sure Briggs has taken many a blow to the head.
Doctor Memento
Doctor Who the fuck am I?
War in Heaven is by far the most confusing and fascinating concept in Doctor Who as well as the Fraction Paradox.
12 and Sprout boy are the best tardis team
Luther, 12, Watson and Sprout boy adventures
nobody loves Sprout Boy :(
My favourite big finish story is when the eighth doctor gets amnesia after falling in his heelies with delboy and noddy. He then ascends to a higher plane of existence and regains his memories with sooty, sweep and sue in their caravan.
10/10
Was this a Terrence Dicks?
@nightowl Terry Nation wrote it but then immediately contradicted it in every way.
What if the Eighth Doctor never actually suffers amnesia and can remembers everything perfectly? The “memory-loss” thing is just his way of avoiding paying taxes to the Gallifrey Home Revenue Department by acting like an amnesiac and the trick works every time.
This is probably the best Doctor Who channel because it has actual backed up opinions like with the Robots of Death, where many people view it as a classic but it's really overrated. And this channel also has a massive focus on expanded media like Big Finish and Prose whereas other channels may just focus on the TV stuff. For every person that wants you to stop mentioning the audios, there are 50 people who think that this use of expended media boosts the channel over any other.
Defintely. DAVIS is one of my favorite tubers period at the moment
Gotta agree with you there. Davis is incredibly underrated and easily my joint favourite UA-camr with stubagfull. Both are very funny and clever. My opinions don’t align with them all the time but Davis is a little trivia fountain firing off nuggets of canon without taking it to seriously and realising it’s just a silly show.
doctor who more like gay who
Honestly I disagree, not because he makes bad content, but because he's attavked the opinions of his viewers in multiple videos, and insulted them multiple times in the comments, also look up clever dick films, he's my personal favourite
@@menwithven2862 overrated more like
On the subject of 8 losing his memory, there is one brilliant way of how they pulled it off, and that's with the aftermath of 8 destroying Gallifrey.
Once he loses his memory throughout the second half of the EDA'S, he becomes a mirrored version of how the 1st Doctor from An Unearthly Child-Edge of Destruction: unpredictable, willing to stab people in the back and violent.
In The Burning, you're left to believe that 8 would save the villain from drowning, and he does pick him up, but then suddenly he pushes the villain down with the most blank expression and leaves him to drown, despite his agonising pleas. Or how he uses Alan Turing's sexuality as blackmail, knowing full well that Turing was infatuated with him, so he can stay by the Doctor's side in helping him get back home. Or how he was willing to leave his companions to no longer exist in reality in order to save and fix an alternate Earth. Yeah, people tend to forget, but 8 is soooooo much more darker and manipulative than the 7th Doctor ever could be and 8 may be the most terrifying incarnation because of that. The fact that there's no Ian or Barbara to hold him back, but 8 does learn to grow and try to redeem himself.
This is how you do a memory wipe arc, and as a result, it makes the second half of the EDA'S perhaps the greatest run of Doctor Who since the Troughton era.
Wow, I thought 7 and 10 were dark. That Turing thing looks worse than 13 throwing the Master to the Nazis
7 is overtly manipulative with a grin while 8 is subconsciously manipulative with a smile.
A professor layton refrence, i didn't think I could like you anymore!
Now we need a series where Sooty is The Doctor's companion. He could be like K-9, rarely leaving the TARDIS.
I have never heard of the Emperor.
That was amazing. I feel like no matter how often I have a night of just clicking wiki pages, over & over again, that I'll get tired of stories of weird, alternate or future, Doctors.
I’ll admit, I love the Eighth doctor books, the ones I’ve read at least. But with all these videos talking bout the story arcs that sound legitimately fascinating, I think I’m gonna go all in and try to read them all
Please do, the second half especially (starting from The Burning) is perhaps the greatest run of Doctor Who ever.
Me too, but they are so many
Me and my dad would like the history of the ood next please sir.
Just binged all of your doctor who retrospectives for the 5th time during lockdown. It’s almost as long as Ecclestone’s entire run.
Also name one story with worker robots going evil that wouldn’t be improved with Noodle chops. Robots of death might be interesting if it had ood in it.
History of the Ood would just be the Doctor slaughtering them all, generation after generation, and then saying "oops, maybe next time boys."
Shaking and crying rn. Nobody loves sprout boy.
Gallifrey has been destroyed so many times so there’s an idea
War in Heaven maybe the first time but as you said no one understands that thing
Did the War in Heaven not happen canonically? Which books are canon?
@@Ben-vf5gk Well, the thing is the whoniverse is so canon you can pretty much pick and choose. If you want it to be a chaotic mess then it will be
@@me-dc8pj So Gallifrey was destroyed by the Enemy and then the Daleks? And did this War actually take place in Heaven? Is Heaven Canon?
@@Ben-vf5gk The War in Heaven has nothing to do with actual Heaven, it's just called that because that's what lower life forms perceived it as. It's basically a Time War like the NuWho one except instead of the Daleks the enemy was a mysterious race just called The Enemy and it ends with Gallifrey being destroyed as well which presumably was then restored in time for the NuWho Time War
@@eli_berdugo04So Gallifrey has been destroyed three times now
Wow, they actually granted Tom Baker's wish for a talking cabbage companion.
2:36 One trait I think that has remained stuck with 13 that they should build on is her over-reliance on tech, she uses it to get out of situations more than her other Drs. Now you may be thinking they just have her use the sonic to resolve the plot because they can't think of other ways to do it and I would definitely agree. But where this actually became a character trait is Can You Hear Me. There we have a villain who contrasts her in terms of abilities (magical powers and psychology) but they also turn her greatest strength against her, just putting her in a room filled with technology and let her go to work, freeing the eternal. And the ending of that ep shows she's definitely better with tech than people and words. Then there's Ascension, she tries to uses tech to exploit cyber weaknesses when that fails so quickly she's demoralized and spends the rest of the episode on the back foot.
Other traits I would say are stubborn and suppressive but your criticism of them just affirming that she is the Dr rather than building on these potentially interesting traits more is more than valid.
Yeah, and her lack of grace. Stop using the trait as comedic relief, and actually use it for character moments. It's why I like how she talks to Graham in Can You Hear Me?
@@nightowl8477 I liked it too, an "inspiring" speech or pep talk would have felt really generic, instead, she plays into her awkwardness to make him laugh and tries to think of what to say.
@@Ben-vf5gk - exactly!! People want Capaldi speeches, but they're gone and maybe they should be. I love those speeches, but they were getting tired (see Smile.) This was so much more subtle and character-driven. It kinda warmed my heart a bit. I think a close up on Bradley was needed though, just to confirm that he was reassured and not fucked off.
@@nightowl8477 I actually don't remember Smile being egregious one, but I'm due for a rewatch. I noticed that most new who Doctors have a motif that frequently shows up in their stories; 10-romance, 11- children, 12- teaching/classic who nostalgia. I think technology might be 13's.
That would require a competent show runner and a team of writers who aren’t a bunch of hacks to fully utilise this part of the character as an arc. Also the BBC being willing to lose some of the sweet Sonic Screwdriver toy sales.
Do they cover who Miranda's mother is? Because she does look a bit like River, it must be said. . .
But also what the hell is wrong with her fingers
I thought that WAS River!
Let’s all be honest: we all have no idea what was going on in the BBC 8th Doctor books. If there was a series you could full heartedly say doesn’t fit into...any canon, this would be it. I have no idea what was going on with the War in Heaven, the Elementals, or Sabbath. At least it had some good story ideas we should transfer to other mediums
I am now calling the 8th doctor, The Amnesiac Doctor
Pitch for my Doctor Who Story: After getting bonked on the head the Doctor remembers everything they ever forgot, including that acually every living beeing in the universe is an incarnation of the Doctor.
A plot by the fangroup Idiot's Lantern: everyone that ever was or ever will be is (a memory wiped) version of the Doctor - an infinize number of regenerations and full use of a time-machine help a lot for that plot - all üeople, except Adric, fof he came from an alternate universe...
Fun fact, the 8th Doctor lost his memory once and got with John Luther's ex lover
I understood that reference 😉
The film Memento is the only time an amnesia storyline is done well and even them its more short term memory problems than amnesia. (sorry wrote this before you got to the Memento reference)
I should've specified sudden amnesia subplots that happen to waste time in sitcoms and the like.
In Memento they use anterograde amnesia, which is the form of amnesia that means that you can't make new memories (convert short-term memories to long-term memories for storage), as oppose to the more commonly retrograde amnesia (which is used in almost all amnesia stories) which means that you can't remember a selection or all past memories.
I decided to do some research on the Amnesia 8th Doctor adventures online and BOY! Did I go deep down the rabbit hole, to the point that I discovered there was a 1997 novel called The Stranger written by Portia Da Costa and published by Virgin Books (of Virgin New Adventures fame) after they lost the Doctor Who license, being part of their Black Lace range, it was an erotic novel featuring a thinly-veiled copyright-free version of the Eighth Doctor falling for the novel's protagonist Claudia Marwood a rich 42-year-old. (No, I am not making this up.) And the crazy thing, Lance Parkin referenced events of that novel and Claudia as a companion in his two of his official Eighth Doctor Adventures books, "Father Time" and the final novel in the line "The Gallifrey Chronicles" basically canonizing it within BBC's official Eight Doctor Adventure novel series.
*deep breath*
The Wilderness Years was definitely the period where people wanting to write a Doctor Who story went, "Screw It, Let's Go Nuts!"
I really like the concept of Doctor becoming a tyrant in his far future incarnations.
Regarding Sherlock Holmes, the Big Finish Paternoster Gang series, Heritage, establishes that Conan Doyle steals Madame Vastra's adventures and adapts them into Holmes stories. Vastra gets so irritated by this that she actually sends Strax to threaten him in exactly the sort of way you expect Strax would want to threaten him.
If every British icon exists can we get a James Bond and Rassilon team up XD
9:22 he doesn't have a ween. Do Time Lords have weens? I've seen your length ranking video, but I'm not convinced. *I reckon he's like an auton down there.*
*LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMS*
Gallifreyan sex education with Samuel Davis
@@SamyulDavis - I'm pretty sure you've gotta stick a ween in a loom to get it working. There's a ween involved somewhere.
1:57 Wow that was a good McGann impression. Also, I like to think that the reason Shelly never heard of the Dr or the cybermen in haunting before was that along with other details changed when the universe was rebooted in the Big Bang. Thanks Steven Moffat for a canon plaster that covers most of the show.
Mostly retcons the RTD era tho, which was a bit early. I reckon he should have gotten Silence in Series 5, Cracks in Series 6, and Trenzalore in Series 7.
@@nightowl8477 It still happened but certain little things might have changed. I would quite like if every time there's a canon inconsistency a sign comes up on screen saying "Series 5 finale"
@@Ben-vf5gk - yeah, or maybe *"it's just a baby show, get over it nerd"*
That's actually the answer to the question that must not be asked in the Moffat era. It wrecks the entire Whoniverse.
I actually loved the Matrix twist in The Gallifrey Chronicles, as the thought of the Doctor sacrificing his identity to save his people is *chef's kiss* gorgeous, and utterly in character.
The sheer weirdness of the Eighth Doctor Adventures (books, not the audio with Lucie Miller .. although Series 4 really is one of the best succession of stories in DW canon imo) is exactly the flavour of Who I wished the Chibnall era would bring in. I might be one of the few that really love the era right now (Fugitive of the Judoon is basically the Alien Bodies of New Who, let's face it -- done right, we could get the TV equivalents of bangers like The Year of Intelligent Tigers in the future, who knows), and I want the show to fully embrace what it *could* do. Visually speaking, the show's never been better, and the show could really do some more weird, out-there concepts if they tried. Like Can You Hear Me -- more unique episodes. I kinda want someone like Michael Kirkbride (a writer for the Elder Scrolls games in his time) working as a writer for the show.. it'd be next to implausible, but still. Imagine if the guy who basically wrote Morrowind's entire lore and thought up of a god figure who bit off the penis of a rapist demonic deity and used it as a sword (!!) and achieved CHIM (a state of being where you basically break the fourth wall and realize that you're a character in a game) wrote for Doctor Who. It'd be insane.
The 8th Doctor also lost his memory briefly in Dark Eyes 4 ‘ Master of the Daleks’ after he got time rammed. He thought a Dalek was his best friend lol
The Emperor isn't totally out of character for the Doctor, given how he went all Time Lord Victorious in exile on the Inferno Earth, had tea with Mao Tse Tung, and was on first-name terms with Stalin.
Never ever stop making these videos, you are truly the best.
Have you read Lance Parkin’s Unhistory? It’s a collection of the most weird Doctor Who apocrypha, a spin-off to his Ahistory reference book.
At least in the cases of The War Master and River Song audios, the Doctor isn't supposed to know who they are/what that version of them looks like for plot reasons already established in the show. Those amnesia cases are almost needed so it doesn't spoil things for the Doctor when they meet them as the Tenth Doctor. (I JUST realized as I was typing that, for the Doctor, seeing both Yana/War Master and River, and retaining that info, happened as Ten. Weird, but okay.)
I haven't listened to the other stories, but I think the Doctor doesn't need to forget things THAT MUCH.
Even so there are other ways around allowing those meetings (like with River’s psychic Wimble in Doom Coalition 3 or perhaps revealing that the Chameleon arch perception filter affects other timelords)
Man oh man, I really love these!
8s recurring amnesia is something about which I think of... all too often.
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The other tidbits are glorious icing on the cake!
The Doctor’s Amnesia in The EDA Earth Arc is probably 8’s most interesting character arc.
Absolutely agree 100%, it's perhaps the greatest character arc since the 1st Doctor (love comparing 1 and 8 as they're so similar to one another)
@@englishgiraffe2124 I think 12 and 1 have the most in common but I definitely see it. He is after all the only Dr to come back for Susan.
I really love this channel.
I really love these videos...
Technically the 8th Doctor's persistent amnesia problems crosses *two different continuities,* the BBC Books *and* the Big Finish stories (which Moffat declared are part of the NewWho Universe in "Night of the Doctor"). Does this happen in the comics too?
"Get you a man who can do both"
Oh my.
Hey does this come out weekly? Really like these videos and look forward to them
The 12th Doctor probably has them because in Time Heist he gains a important missing memory so that probably brought all of them back.
If I ever get my hands on a Loom, I'm going to use it to create a Timelord Noddy. Thanks for yet another very entertaining video. Stay safe
Ah yes the Eighth Doctor's seive-like memory.
the weird thing about sherlock existing is that its also stated by the great intelligence that mr doyle's books were actually based on vastra and jenny so guess the books aren't actually based on the real sherlock?
Or maybe the universe introduced the paternoster gang to fill the void that Holmes and Watson left to avoid a paradox whilst Conan Doyle was actually remembering the true versions of those events?
davis, u should make a video talking about all the future incarnations of the Doctor, damn I had a headache going through them!! 😬😬 I kept going and going I fell into the hole of so much canon
If I ever become showrunner of DW I’m definitely making all this canon
I cannot WAIT to read the BBC 8th Doctor books. The more I hear about them, the more I know I'm going to love them. :-D
In every one of these I find a new big finish audio to listen to
It seems that 8 gets stranded without the tardis a lot, too.
I love your videos
Minuet in Hell is actually a really good story, I'm hurt.
3:52 You're right, but it's a little more complicated in context. The Gallifrey Chronicles doesn't end with the Doctor's memory restored, or Gallifrey restored, or even the alien menace, the Vore (that name...) defeated!
But the pieces on how and why that will occur are laid out, the Doctor will use Compassion and the genetic tank technology from Intereference and Dead Romance to restore the Time Lords and when the Matrix is out of his head, he will get his memories back, in a novel where the theme, and first line, is "The Doctor wins" so you go away feeling like you just read Act 1 and 2 of a story and now it's telling you to imagine Act 3. That was a decision that made a lot of people mad at the time, but Parkin had to leave it open enough, at least the Time Lord bits if not memory, for the TV show to do whatever it wanted (which turned out to be destroy Gallifrey!!).
The Gallifrey Chronicles isn't my favorite Parkin, but it is one of the best examinations of the Eighth Doctor's constant memory wiping. Here, in the Earth Arc, the Doctor believes he lost his memories out of shame for what he did and learns that by putting the Matrix into his head, he was actually making a sacrifice for his people, and in doing so, forgives himself. It is very proto Day of the Doctor. Neither bring back Gallifrey on screen or on the page but both suggest it is possible down the road.
13 be like I’m so quirky
Death Note and Quantum Leap are the only two times I can think of where it worked. But even in the latter case it was used to give what would be an otherwise overly qualified character room for growth and development.
They weren't exactly sitcom cliched uses of the trope though :)
Minuet in hell will always remain one of the craziest stories to me
The obvious Brit IP to crossover with Who is Red Dwarf. Amazing that they haven't done it already.
Also seventh doctor and being possessed is a huge thing in big finish
Yes, do a War in Heaven one. I've read so much of it on the wiki and still have no concept of what it is.
Pretty sure out of all the Doctors, Eight has the most amount of amnesia.
Fun video as per, sir!
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SUPERNATURAL
Thats creepy I was watching supernatural when that clip came up
Make sense as fox approach to doctor who was doctor who am I instead of doctor who is he
It's a shame we never got to see or hear the War Doctor deal with amnesia. That would have made for a powerful story, him forgetting who he is and learning all the terrors he has caused as part of his current incarnation.
A whimsical War Doctor steps out the TARDIS and goes about usual light Who adventure in normal Doctor mode! I love it
@@SamyulDavis Yeah, and slowly but surely he starts to remember the horrors he has witnessed through the course of the narrative, and by the end of the story it hits him harder than ever before...
Broke Canon keeps getting better 🤓👍
My favorite Doctor Who book has to be All Consuming Fire just because it blends together Sherlock Holmes and Doctor Who. Also Holmes gets transported to the 21st century to attend a wedding which has a character from pretty much every book with Benny in. The wedding gets interrupted by the Master who has created several copies of the Doctor and the groom for some reason.
This covers all the main plot points whilst missing the gold that is that book. The gay silurians, the parties, the alien bugs from an alternate universe, Dalek wedding vows and the brigader eaten by a giant LOOOOOOM thing...it is mad
Yeah that book is crazy, I also love the idea of a small village just used to aliens and all sorts of things landing and having cricket matches and whatnot.
Just read the eight doctors, at least in that one he gets to meet all his other past incarnations.
Eh, it feels empty.
4:59 where is this image from?
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9.16 , the Doctor Who books of Father Time , The Gallifrey Chronicles ,and the Book of Peace are 3 books that take place Parallel Timeline to the rest of Doctor Who ,because if I remember correctly in this 3 book , the Timelords are decation to made ,not born by a device caled the Loom.
Is "The Emperor" the same incarnation as "The Tyrant" who had no choice, but to force a Time Travel ban when Time Travel Tech became to easy to make thueout the univerce. He had to force His History on everyone in that Era, as any more trying to undo the doctors version of Hisory would would brake the web of time. Rebel factions declared all out war against "The Tyrant of Time" one faction giving backing to Madame Kovarian. or is all that just my head cannon? Then there are some Rebel Factions that worked against "The Tyrant", that were helped/manipulated by some random versions of The Doctor as he randomly became awere of the truth of the situation.
6:26 Fourth best if you include Sherloque Wells as a seperate character
what about orbis? he forgot who his companion in the 8DA was because he was trapped on that planet for so long.
7:10 sooty is my childhood
Has the doctor ever gotten anterograde amnesia(can’t remember new info past a few minutes)?? It sounds like it could be interesting
thirteen is supposed to be so quirky you'd think she'd be more quotable
Guys... if canon doesn't matter, and anything is possible if someone can make something, would that count SuperWhoLock works? It may burn in hell, but with as many crossovers exist with the official stamp of approval from the trademark, it burns still, horribly, but alive. Lingering.
Yeah, I know, I even riffed on/took the piss out of Eight's lack of memory when I wrote for Big Finish :D ua-cam.com/video/4fzUY8tgoRk/v-deo.html
Hang on… was that “Mind Crush!” a Yu-Gi-Oh Abridged joke?
Wait why did you change the thumbnail?
Also i can relate to 8
Me: Has a bad day
Sees there is a new Broken Canon video
Me: :)
0:49 loud from ff7 and the witcher games did it well.
Just going to say, Father Time is one of the greatest Doctor Who books ever written.
I just got it on kindle, can you read it without previous books context
@@Ben-vf5gk I'd say that it fairly stands alone well, the Earth arc was meant to be a fresh start after being loaded with Faction Paradox stuff. Just know the context that 8 destroyed Gallifrey and that's all you need to know really. There's also The Infinity Doctors that helps with the lore presented in Father Time, but as said, you can read Father Time on it's own.
@@englishgiraffe2124 Cheers, I'm trying to get the other EDAs but so many of the starting ones Eight Doctors, Vampire Science are expensive in physical form and don't have kindle editions
@@Ben-vf5gk I'd reccomend Ebay, I picked up some rare ones like Alien Bodies for relatively cheap
Reading The Book of the Enemy erases you from time?? Now I'm definitely ordering a copy 😉
You should!
Good old amnesia
8:13 stop cannon policing!!!
ikr. Way to piss on sprout boy.
Hey did this icon change?
Yep, just thought the one before was ugly is all.
@@SamyulDavis Ah gotcha. Congrats on your Emperor role in those audios BTW. Haven't given them a listen, yet, but I look forward to doing so. Feels apt. ⏳☄️✨
How many times can the 8th Doctor get his mind whiped before it causes permanent brain damage.
Am I the only who thinks Tom Hiddleston looks like a young Paul McGann?
Noddy was a Transformer once though tfwiki.net/wiki/Tappet
"Once" for like 8 years.
paul mcgann is my favorite doctor
wish I had a Rakshassa
Bro I’ve never listened to a Doctor Who audiobook and this makes me not want to just because of how much the writers- I mean the 8th doctor loses his memory
I'm sorry ik we're done bashing the timeless child and even I dont mind it but like watching your what I'd do with who video back and hearing the line "it's weird we havent revisited susan" WHY COULD RUTH NOT HAVE BEEN SUSAN WHEN SHE SMASHED THE FOBWATCH. That could have worked. So well. It would have been SO great
Cooolllll
No more Doctor having love interests, society has progressed last the need for the Doctor having love interests.
NODDY IS CANON!!!
Ok, but the emperor, the valeyard.
I mean, duh right?
weren't l;ooms made canon again y supremacy of the cybermen although I guess the time lords don't need them anymore since leela was able to give birth to the doctor or something. we really need an epsiode were a bunch of kids just go around talking about the doctors supposed origins around a campfire or something