I’ve gone to the newer trout Spey rods 10 1/2-11 ft for indicator rigs 3-4 yr ago and never looked back. Most of my casting are roll casts from banks and that trout Spey fits that niche perfectly for myself. With the right shooting head and running line 70-80’ casts are a breeze with an indicator rig. Winston super10 my go to dry fly rod and Orvis Helios 10’ 6-7 weights are my sinking tip and streamer rods. Love the videos you guys put out ! As I got older I fish Stillwater a lot more and really fell in love with it over streams.
Excellent presentation with loads of good tips. Would appreciate understanding: Why do you NOT want the butt section of a standard tapered leader when fishing sinking lines? Some would say that that tapered leaders tend to float so they avoid them. If tha is the reason, how does building a leader with mono solve that problem. Why not just use a 9ft 2-3x tapered FLUOROCARBON leader with a sinking line? Second question: tippet ring for two flies versus dropper tag? thanks is advance
Lance, is the material on Modern Nymphing Master Class on line course the same at the 3 videos. I have those 3 videos and Devin Olsen's book, so I'm wondering if there is a significant difference between the online course and the videos.
Mostly the same content. There is a little new stuff, but mostly it’s organized better and easier to search/target specific chapters compared to the original 3 videos.
You can use a poly leader, but I favor integrated lines, and then learning what each does. Casting is tougher with the added poly leaders since lines aren’t designed to be used with them.
BC Stillwater country here … few comments. First, Rio Stillwater products have, unfortunately, been absolute garbage for some years now particularly their camolux/aqualux intermediate series which are key tools in the Stillwater kit … FarBank takeover led to QA/Qc issues and lines literally falling apart and Rio/FarBank not standing behind their product. IMHO stay away from Rio/FarBank Stillwater lines. WRT SA, while their seamless density series is ok, their 3D lines and tapers are much better but they don’t make them in weights appropriate for us Stillwater anglers … C’mon SA. similarly SA has far more robust offerings in the UK and Europe for their Stillwater and coastal anglers, lines that would be excellent for our PNW Stillwater’s, again Cmon SA give us access to your product!!
@@FlyFishFood As above, burned by Rio/Farbanks poor quality and terrible customer service enough times they’ll see no more of my $$, or my endorsement. WRT SA, the excellent Volantis integrated shooting taper, available in various sink rates, is only available in the UK/Euro market (if FFF can get it in NA pls correct me). Also as above, SA’s premium Sonar-3D taper is much better for casting & fishing, as is the benefit of the triple density, but the series is only offered down to 210 grains …. Marketed as a WF6S, but that’s an 8-weight by AFTMA stds … as you know, anyone serious about chasing rainbows in Stillwater wants sinking lines in the 5 & 6 weight range, perhaps overweighted up to a line weight. As such, 160 grain and 185 grain weight sinking lines are essential kit, unless you want no feeling. So, again, major gap from major player …
@@dsmith2601 hmmm. Weird that I feel fully equipped with the lines available here. To the point that all the guys fishing Grafham water in the UK wanted to know which Rio line I was fishing with. (I caught many) 😬😬
@@FlyFishFood I appreciate for some fisheries, midge tips and top-down presentations are excellent and have found I can get the same effect w/ floating lines and braided leader transitions … treated w/ otter butter, or not, to the extent necessary as I personally have come to prefer full-sunk level’ish lines to any form of sink tip for presenting any moving sunk flies (always exceptions, of course, like the very productive naked chironomid technique, one of my faves). True Hover, slow Intermediate, mod-Intermediate, fast-Intermediate and Type 3 are always on rod/reel combos on my punt, ready to go, along w/ at least 3 floating rods - couple w/ bobbers, one for naked lining or covering any hatches. Later in the season as fish move off the shoal I’ll switch out the Hover and an Int for Type 5 & 7. Curious if you have any experience/thoughts on AirFlo Sixth Sense products? I have a Sixth Sense Type 3 that I do not have much fishing time on but it seems similar to other sink lines, whereas the Airflo floaters and their tendency to retain some coil, is notably diff than SA & Rio, imho.
@@dsmith2601 I actually much prefer the scientific anglers and Rio lines over some of the airflo lines that I’ve tried lately. They seem sticky through the guides.
This is such a great overview and wealth of info. Have a feeling I'll be sharing this video quite often!
I’ve gone to the newer trout Spey rods 10 1/2-11 ft for indicator rigs 3-4 yr ago and never looked back. Most of my casting are roll casts from banks and that trout Spey fits that niche perfectly for myself.
With the right shooting head and running line 70-80’ casts are a breeze with an indicator rig. Winston super10 my go to dry fly rod and Orvis Helios 10’ 6-7 weights are my sinking tip and streamer rods.
Love the videos you guys put out ! As I got older I fish Stillwater a lot more and really fell in love with it over streams.
What a great presentation…Thanks Lance 👍
This is a great intro for us moving water guys.
Any chance you guys could interview Howard Croston or any of the UK competitive Stillwater anglers? I love your video of going over there. Thanks
Excellent information lance thanks so much😉☕️☕️
Excellent! 🍻
Solid video!!!!
Excellent presentation with loads of good tips. Would appreciate understanding: Why do you NOT want the butt section of a standard tapered leader when fishing sinking lines? Some would say that that tapered leaders tend to float so they avoid them. If tha is the reason, how does building a leader with mono solve that problem. Why not just use a 9ft 2-3x tapered FLUOROCARBON leader with a sinking line? Second question: tippet ring for two flies versus dropper tag? thanks is advance
Lance when you switch lines do you take additional spools with you or entire reels?
Some of both, but usually 2-3 frames and lots of spools.
Thank you!
What’s a good reel for Stillwater fishing?
Lance, is the material on Modern Nymphing Master Class on line course the same at the 3 videos. I have those 3 videos and Devin Olsen's book, so I'm wondering if there is a significant difference between the online course and the videos.
Mostly the same content. There is a little new stuff, but mostly it’s organized better and easier to search/target specific chapters compared to the original 3 videos.
Strip set or raise the rod for striking with a midge tip?
Can do both. I like strip setting unless the take is on “the hang” at the very end of the retrieve.
Your tip on making own loop on line tip?
My suggestion is go without loops.
What about a sink 3 with a sinking polyleader like a slow to super fast 5 or 10 foot ?
You can use a poly leader, but I favor integrated lines, and then learning what each does. Casting is tougher with the added poly leaders since lines aren’t designed to be used with them.
BC Stillwater country here … few comments. First, Rio Stillwater products have, unfortunately, been absolute garbage for some years now particularly their camolux/aqualux intermediate series which are key tools in the Stillwater kit … FarBank takeover led to QA/Qc issues and lines literally falling apart and Rio/FarBank not standing behind their product. IMHO stay away from Rio/FarBank Stillwater lines. WRT SA, while their seamless density series is ok, their 3D lines and tapers are much better but they don’t make them in weights appropriate for us Stillwater anglers … C’mon SA. similarly SA has far more robust offerings in the UK and Europe for their Stillwater and coastal anglers, lines that would be excellent for our PNW Stillwater’s, again Cmon SA give us access to your product!!
The new Rio Stillwater lines are excellent.
What lines are you looking for that you can’t find here? You might be surprised 😬😬
@@FlyFishFood As above, burned by Rio/Farbanks poor quality and terrible customer service enough times they’ll see no more of my $$, or my endorsement. WRT SA, the excellent Volantis integrated shooting taper, available in various sink rates, is only available in the UK/Euro market (if FFF can get it in NA pls correct me). Also as above, SA’s premium Sonar-3D taper is much better for casting & fishing, as is the benefit of the triple density, but the series is only offered down to 210 grains …. Marketed as a WF6S, but that’s an 8-weight by AFTMA stds … as you know, anyone serious about chasing rainbows in Stillwater wants sinking lines in the 5 & 6 weight range, perhaps overweighted up to a line weight. As such, 160 grain and 185 grain weight sinking lines are essential kit, unless you want no feeling. So, again, major gap from major player …
@@dsmith2601 hmmm. Weird that I feel fully equipped with the lines available here. To the point that all the guys fishing Grafham water in the UK wanted to know which Rio line I was fishing with. (I caught many) 😬😬
@@FlyFishFood I appreciate for some fisheries, midge tips and top-down presentations are excellent and have found I can get the same effect w/ floating lines and braided leader transitions … treated w/ otter butter, or not, to the extent necessary as I personally have come to prefer full-sunk level’ish lines to any form of sink tip for presenting any moving sunk flies (always exceptions, of course, like the very productive naked chironomid technique, one of my faves). True Hover, slow Intermediate, mod-Intermediate, fast-Intermediate and Type 3 are always on rod/reel combos on my punt, ready to go, along w/ at least 3 floating rods - couple w/ bobbers, one for naked lining or covering any hatches. Later in the season as fish move off the shoal I’ll switch out the Hover and an Int for Type 5 & 7. Curious if you have any experience/thoughts on AirFlo Sixth Sense products? I have a Sixth Sense Type 3 that I do not have much fishing time on but it seems similar to other sink lines, whereas the Airflo floaters and their tendency to retain some coil, is notably diff than SA & Rio, imho.
@@dsmith2601 I actually much prefer the scientific anglers and Rio lines over some of the airflo lines that I’ve tried lately. They seem sticky through the guides.