I feel like 2 big mistakes were made by evil in the very end: -Kat started giving off minion vibes the moment she was no longer the demon. -Jams kicking off nominations with Kat. To explain the second one, I believe evil was in a defensive position, where time was running out on good and everything was up to Ryan's nomination. If Ryan nominated the wrong person or less than 4 ghost votes were used, evil would have won. By nominating, she not only gave the good team extra nominations, more importantly, she also gave them more time while it was running out. Apart from that, Evil played an optimal game and I'm surprised they didn't get away with a perfect win.
Guys, please try to remember that the people playing in these games are exactly that, people. They sometimes read these comments and some of the things that are being said about them are pretty shocking. I realise YT comments are a cesspool at the best of times, but you don't have to be a turd just because the room smells like shit. Rise above it. Behave yourselves.
It made my day a little better reading this, Ben. You're awesome. We need more people to draw the Empath token in the world (and hopefully not be the Marionette or Drunk).
I think the lesson here is don't nominate to buy time on the last day when you're evil. Seems absolutely crazy to me that Jams nom'd Kat with 3 seconds left. Forcing Ryan to make a panic pick (or no pick at all) would have been so much better.
I love seeing players like Debbie, Edd, Narninian, Skilz, etc. just solving the game quietly while all the chaos is going on. It's so cool to see. You rock, Debbie.
Incredible game. Well played on both sides. Spoilers: Nightwatchman picking the only person that already knew was hilarious. Barber swapping a Mez because you think you might be Lunatic also surprisingly powerful. (I know in the moment I would've forgotten that they're technically a Minion and not poisoned by me.) 1:20:33 Debbie is so galaxy brain. I love seeing players like her or Skilz or Narninian just solving the game when you feel like good team is just absolutely lost. So cool to see. It's crazy to think a Clockmaker 4 (which usually gets disregarded) is what solved the game. Man, I love BotC.
I love the setup where Kat learned the Barber from Duke, then later made the huge play to swap JoJo and Ekin. Not only did it give a second chance for a new evil, but also have Kat an escape plan through the evil Snake Charmer. Regardless how it ended, that was a very impressive play. I see Kat making plays like this on other BOTC games too. Ones you don't realize right away, but she thought out multiple moves ahead. Then pieces sometimes fall into place exactly as she orchestrated. Great game. Well played from both sides... and Ben for doing all he could to help the good team when they desperately needed it. Even though it was Debbie and Ryan that solved it all last minute with what seemed to be almost entirely social reads, and realizing of the potential 5 evils.
About halfway through the video Ben announced on Aggie's behalf that she would be running some games at a game store that's actually super local to me, and as someone who's been reluctant to get into actually playing clocktower despite being a huge fan for a long time, it was awesome to hear that physical games are actually ran in my local area! even if this video is from a year ago and aggie won't be running them herself, it massively took me by surprise when he said in Sheffield, because it was really amazing just to learn that i could go genuinely play physical clocktower this easily! i plan on contacting the game store for more info Lol random comment but it made my day to know that there is a real clocktower community in and around where i live, and it definitely makes it so much easier to be involved, awesome!
Not sure which city it was, but I suspect it was Sheffield. If that's the case, there are great communities at both Patriot Games and The Treehouse. I've been to events at both of them myself. - Ben
It was! i just joined the patreon discord, it's opened my eyes to the places around me that i never knew ran the game until now! Excited to get involved :)@@BloodontheClocktower
Kat definitely went too hard trying to make herself look sus, people would've started pushing on her if she stuck to her story. However, very well done on the Good team, they did a bang up job cracking the game wide open with minimal information and mostly social reads.
Amazing! I've always wanted to see a game with possibilities like this and no Spirit of Ivory. As someone who ALWAYS cheers for evil, I found myself crossing fingers and toes for good this time. Thanks for a great watch, everyone!
This was a great game to watch! It's a great indirect example of what a Spirit of Ivory can bring to the table, but at the same time, also shows that it's not the be-all-and-end-all if it's not included. :)
That is a game where evil played very much within the rules of the game but it felt morally better for good to win that. Both sides played well, Evil exceptionally so and then that last day solve from good was amazing. And anyone bashing Ekin's nomination at the end there need to stop. If Ekin didn't then Ryan was going to anyway as Ryan and Debbie had both worked it out. The nom from Ekin was to throw a bit of sus that it may not be Jojo. Let's not forget you get into these games by being fun and amazing players. Every player around the grim is phenomenal at the game and should be treated as such. We are all human, we all make plays that others may not think are optimal, but we have to remember we are only viewers and we are not in the game
You know with the benefit of hindsight I think the best thing evil could have done on that final day was nom Ryan, do an evil rise up to put him on the block and then say nothing more and hope that the player on the block would excelerate the final call. The good team had too much time to figure out what was happening and evil were too cooperative in getting them the solve. Again this is with the benefit of hindsight, I dont think any of the evil team individually made any plays that I would consider a throw but all of it together led to their downfall.
My new favorite home-brew role Salesman (Minion): On your first night, wake and select a player, a role or a number. Whenever a good player would receive that type of info, they receive your choice instead.
this game kinda felt like a stream snipe at the end to be honest. if you believe the clockmaker four and you believe there are 5 alive evils (which itself is a bit of a leap), the starting evil team was either kat demon + jojo & duke minions, or duke demon + ekin & kat minions. for jojo to be the demon now you also have to have guessed that they snake charmed the original demon.
Whilst I agree it feels that way, Jacqui or mark could definitely have felt like a minion, especially since they conspired to kill Debby for science from her perspective.
@@HonestAuntyElle in that case you don't have 5 alive evils, though. her theory was that there are 5 alive evils--which, again, is a huge leap by itself! the worldbuilding here was not logically constructed but just somehow happened to magically land on the right person.
Hilarious game - evil completely threw on the last day. There was no reason for Jams to confirm the good roles to gain the good team's trust, Kat should've thrown out 4 balloonist pings, and Kat/Ekins/JoJo should've bluffed the Fool (reasonable bluff to cover for Fortune Teller/Undertaker/Empath claim and blame it on the Widow).
Did Ekin at any point get told that there is a widow in play? Did I just miss it? Because he should know regardless of him being poisoned I think, because that he knows is part of the ability of the Widow. And why did evil throw this game this hard?
Can anyone tell me how to set up for watching the mega stream tomorrow? I have never been able to figure it out.
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Tune in to ThePandemoniumInstitute Twitch channel (link in video description) tomorrow at 10am Eastern (3pm UK time) and you should be all set. TPI will raid into the next channel (which will auto connect you to the next game), which will raid into the other one, etc. etc. all the way back into TPI at the end to conclude after 13 hours.
I'm a bit confused regarding the rules, is the Widow supposed to know who will know they're in-play? I assumed you decided that after they chose who to poison, since they could poison themself
A widow would see the token on the player that would learn that they are in play, if the widow choses to poison themself then that token is removed (remember its a reminder token, so its a reminder for the ST to tell that player at the correct point in the night order).
ben you had terrible luck that day on NRB with the Word. One of the words you tried to use that nobody said was town center The term Boyfriend was given in NRB game to Sullivan, and he got 2 people to say it the first day, I believe it was His actual GF that was the first to say it (Brooke)
@@diamondsky3787 Brooke and Sullivan live together in London btw. From what i recall, Sulivan was trying to get people to say the word by talking about his roll in his last game, saying he was playing this boyfriend and wasn't playing it well (or something to that effect)
I could not get into the last few NRB videos. The gameplay was painful and the player interactions were not enjoyable enough to save the hours of time invested, at least in my opinion.
@@larsg.2492 I can't say that I've even seen the last few episodes to be honest. Depends on the cast, but that's true for the main BotC channel aswell.
Anyone who seriously believed that evil completely threw at the end (it's debatable wether some of them partially threw, but even the one/s who did were making plays that made sense from their perspective) or that good somehow magically knew exactly who to execute, due to some sort of trickery, obviously weren't paying close enough attention to the game. (almost) Every play that was show on screen (which pretty much included all the important ones) made perfect sense for the players to make in their positions. Sometimes all the good team needs to win is one or two pieces of info pointing towards the actual demon, or one good player piecing together all the separate pieces of info into a cohesive whole, and the good team just so happened to naturally come across both of those, on the final day.
Jams could have not nominated Kat, forcing Ryan to choose between 4 people (likely Kat, which would have let evil win) to nominate and given good less time to figure things out. At that point it didn't matter if good knew she was evil or not so she didn't have to keep pretending, because she was either confirmed undertaker, widow, or another evil that talked to widow. In fact the play probably should have been for Kat to stick to balloonist (to appear to be a no dashi that was cornered with no way out) so good wouldn't catch on that she was either possibly snake charmed or a minion, while wasting time with bad info. Good was going to vote for Kat due to dragon charlz before she suddenly changed her behavior. But honestly I much prefer this ending. Having 5 / 12 evil is ridiculous and I'm glad good won due to a quick last minute deduction narrowing it down to two people and an unbelievable coincidence where the outdated clockmaker info was pointed to the new snake charmer.
Evil threw. Ben was counting down from 5 seconds when Jams nominated. But I also don't think they took the loss too hard because they were saying themselves that final day circumstance felt grossly unbalanced
Lol Ben setting up the roles by giving evil such a high chance of winning, and putting the only outsiders that help evil instead of Acrobat and Golem unbalanced the game in the beginning
I don't get why Jojo didn't vote for Kat when they saw Malaki voted and thus they couldn't be out-voted. I get if Duke hadn't caught on if Jojo hadn't told him about the switch, but Jojo could have just said "Duke vote" and won the game. People are too hard on Kat for the leech host bluff, when they had the votes. As for the other thing... I love a good spreadsheet, but it felt more like someone opened a twitch stream with that "what if it were two mez turns" idea out of no where. Or at least got the idea suggested in a dm or something. I just don't believe anyone could come up with something so ridiculous to explain the information the good team had available. There were so many more likely things that could have kept the window ping off. It's unfortunate that this wasn't an in-person game, because if that was a legit solve, there is just no way to prove when the whole thing was being streamed live. I wouldn't even buy Edd coming up with that world at the end out of no-where. I would buy him going oh shit it must have been two mez turns before Ben explained it, but not before hearing "evil won" and working backwards. If anything, it is a compliment to the player if they genuinely solved it, that it was so clever as to be literally unbelievable, and it only matters that they know whether or not they did.
They could hold on to it until the penultimate day. Knowing that you became a Mez could solve the game and you could potentially win with good team by exposing that. Convincing people you haven't turned is probably the tricky part. *Edit:* Forgot to say it's like being a Politician with game winning info for good. You win either way. Either you convince town and win with good or town doesn't listen (and the Mez turns) and you win with evil.
Will you guys upload the twitch stream to promote the convention in Washington? I think the mixed cast was entertaining to watch, and a real masterclass for the people from NRB.
No, the snitch is a first night only role with no place in the night order outside of that. If there was a new snitch in play, then all minions would receive new bluffs.
What happens if a Widow is the first one to choose the Goon, on night one? I'm sure the Goon turns evil and the Widow is drunk for a day, but then what? Does a good player then get notified, and no one is poisoned? The reason I ask is I made a custom script, and could use some help or advice. I also want to be sure that a Monk will keep the Goon from procing to a demon attack. Now I'm wondering about the Fang Gu being first to choose the Goon. The outsider has to die first, to become FGu, so they would turn evil, but not die, and not take over as demon?
N1 widow wakes and picks goon. Goon is evil (assuming no good ability chose them first, but I don't think that would be possible outside of an alchemist poisoner or an amnesiac) and Widow is drunk. N2, a player learns who the widow is (assuming the widow is still alive and is now sober).
@@mrmalaki I suppose there is no one Widow-poisoned, then. After thinking about it, the Monk trying to protect the Goon would just turn the Goon good. They could still be attacked by the demon.
1) Widow picks Goon to poison, but instead becomes drunk. Goon becomes evil. Second night, Widow becomes sober and the "good player knows" static ability activates. Pick and wake a good player to learn Widow is in play. Nobody is Widow-poisoned because the Widow was drunk when choosing who to poison. 2) Monk chooses Goon and locks them as good. The Goon is not protected because the Monk was drunk. Demon attacks Goon and kills them. 3) Fang Gu picks Goon and is poisoned. They can't kill. They're drunk so their ability is irrelevant (the "first picked" bit). Goon swaps to evil. Also note that the Almanac says "attacks and dies" for how Fang Gu works, so a Monk-protected Outsider will not swap (and Fang Gu's "once" isn't used). Honestly, custom scripts are generally a bad idea unless you're 100% confident in how characters work as well as the weird interactions you can run into. You might think "I got this" and run the script and then suddenly you're faced with an oddball situation and could make a bad call and ruin the game. You might accidentally create a script heavily unbalanced to one side. There's a lot that can go wrong. A better starting point when you're comfortable with all the characters and possible edge cases is to just play a custom someone else made that's heavily playtested and well-received like Catfishing or official ones like LuF. Edit: See Mr Malaki's response.
The best place to talk about homebrew characters is on the unofficial Discord server. You have to scroll down until you see the "Homebrew" section and #homebrew-characters is the best place to post it. If you're asking if TPI is considering them for possible future characters, I'm assuming the answer is "No." It's just a place for people to have fun talking about (likely horrible and broken) character designs and maybe fleshing them out to something that could work or just laughing about how silly it is.
@@sylarjordan4037 It's sometimes painful to look at, but often it's hilarious to just think about. If the players are up for a goofy time that likely will end in a broken game, I'm all for it. I made a custom homebrew trying to simulate a future expansion and it was good fun. The only danger is people thinking it's anything resembling a normal game, but as long as they understand it's not, I think it's fine. Sometimes it's fun to just break a game once in a while.
SPOILER .. .. .. .. .. .. .. This is a good game. But it really did feel like evil just kinda felt bad for being so overpowered that they handed the win over.
Maybe she was going for a double bluff? Impossible to say what the players were thinking. Maybe they were just overconfident because they had the numbers and it was final 5 instead of the usual final 3. To be fair to evil team, good players thinking a Barber swap happened will likely go for Minions or evil Townsfolk because evil will be tempted to swap between themselves. It was a great game on both sides either way, imo.
@Adam Sibenik Normally, yes, but tomorrow's starts and ends on TPI, but it is on 4 or 5 other channels throughout the 14-hour stretch. I think the schedule is on TPI's twitter.
Keep in mind that the good Mez could have decided to stay good while pretending to be evil. Then, the evil team hands him all the information which he then hands over to the town. Maybe nobody would believe him but if they did, it's game over for evil. I think it's a big risk unless you know your players well enough to know who would want to switch to evil.
Homebrew demon idea inspired by this; Naamah; Each Night* choose a player to turn evil and die. Their abilities still function whilst dead. You have no Minions.
I'm not sure who it was, but some one on the evil side mentioned the double mez world and I think that was the moment that good team realized there's only one good player left and felt the emergency to nominate a demon candidate and use all their ghost votes on that one blunder turned the table so dramatically, but maybe that was on purpose because the evil team felt bad about the situation and wanted to give the goodies a chance
Ekin is not dumb, far from it. Don't forget Ryan still had a good nomination left - and an evil nominator can put up a bad accusation to help avoid the demon being executed. No one in town (and by that I mean the good players) knew for certain who the demon was. There was a very good social read from town (Debbie particularly iirc) that Kat was no longer the demon but if anyone tried to piece things together then they should have actually landed on Ekin being the evil Snake Charmer, rather than JoJo/Kat being barber swapped. But even with that in mind Kat would be bluffing that she was no longer demon even if she was. - Also reconsider how you talk about people that are playing a game with friends - there are no "dumb plays", just friends (...well aquaintances) playing a game.
This is a really poor way of looking at what happened. It was clear the town was encouraging Ryan to nom the demon, so Ekin tried to cut off that consensus build by doing it first and make town choose if it was an evil player nomming the demon. They chose correctly that it was, but just sitting there and letting the entire good team convince Ryan to make the nomination didn't feel like a winning line either.
Ben, please use this script on a future NRB stream. I feel like this would be just as fun with those paranoid players like Jon and Dom. Lmao.
I feel like 2 big mistakes were made by evil in the very end:
-Kat started giving off minion vibes the moment she was no longer the demon.
-Jams kicking off nominations with Kat.
To explain the second one, I believe evil was in a defensive position, where time was running out on good and everything was up to Ryan's nomination.
If Ryan nominated the wrong person or less than 4 ghost votes were used, evil would have won.
By nominating, she not only gave the good team extra nominations, more importantly, she also gave them more time while it was running out.
Apart from that, Evil played an optimal game and I'm surprised they didn't get away with a perfect win.
To be blunt, it's Eken that lost evil the game by pushing for a nomination
Evil should have just sat on their hands
I thought they lost on purpose tbh
Guys, please try to remember that the people playing in these games are exactly that, people. They sometimes read these comments and some of the things that are being said about them are pretty shocking. I realise YT comments are a cesspool at the best of times, but you don't have to be a turd just because the room smells like shit. Rise above it. Behave yourselves.
It made my day a little better reading this, Ben. You're awesome. We need more people to draw the Empath token in the world (and hopefully not be the Marionette or Drunk).
The two "not-so-much-useful" characters, the clockmaker and snitch solving the game together was was wholesome and poetic to watch.
clockmaker if not poisoned/drunk is so powerful
52:24 ben pressing the "mark" button on mark. like mm yes this is mark
I think the lesson here is don't nominate to buy time on the last day when you're evil. Seems absolutely crazy to me that Jams nom'd Kat with 3 seconds left. Forcing Ryan to make a panic pick (or no pick at all) would have been so much better.
“The accidental legion game”
That was a wild ride
I love how Dragon Charls ended up as a stronger version of his role due to poison, since the storyteller no longer had to adhere to his red herring.
I think every game I've watched with Debbie she has quietly solved the game. She's like Edd but without people realizing it.
You’re a kind soul
I love seeing players like Debbie, Edd, Narninian, Skilz, etc. just solving the game quietly while all the chaos is going on. It's so cool to see. You rock, Debbie.
Incredible game. Well played on both sides.
Spoilers:
Nightwatchman picking the only person that already knew was hilarious. Barber swapping a Mez because you think you might be Lunatic also surprisingly powerful. (I know in the moment I would've forgotten that they're technically a Minion and not poisoned by me.) 1:20:33 Debbie is so galaxy brain. I love seeing players like her or Skilz or Narninian just solving the game when you feel like good team is just absolutely lost. So cool to see. It's crazy to think a Clockmaker 4 (which usually gets disregarded) is what solved the game. Man, I love BotC.
I love the setup where Kat learned the Barber from Duke, then later made the huge play to swap JoJo and Ekin. Not only did it give a second chance for a new evil, but also have Kat an escape plan through the evil Snake Charmer.
Regardless how it ended, that was a very impressive play. I see Kat making plays like this on other BOTC games too. Ones you don't realize right away, but she thought out multiple moves ahead. Then pieces sometimes fall into place exactly as she orchestrated.
Great game. Well played from both sides... and Ben for doing all he could to help the good team when they desperately needed it. Even though it was Debbie and Ryan that solved it all last minute with what seemed to be almost entirely social reads, and realizing of the potential 5 evils.
About halfway through the video Ben announced on Aggie's behalf that she would be running some games at a game store that's actually super local to me, and as someone who's been reluctant to get into actually playing clocktower despite being a huge fan for a long time, it was awesome to hear that physical games are actually ran in my local area! even if this video is from a year ago and aggie won't be running them herself, it massively took me by surprise when he said in Sheffield, because it was really amazing just to learn that i could go genuinely play physical clocktower this easily! i plan on contacting the game store for more info
Lol random comment but it made my day to know that there is a real clocktower community in and around where i live, and it definitely makes it so much easier to be involved, awesome!
Not sure which city it was, but I suspect it was Sheffield. If that's the case, there are great communities at both Patriot Games and The Treehouse. I've been to events at both of them myself. - Ben
It was! i just joined the patreon discord, it's opened my eyes to the places around me that i never knew ran the game until now! Excited to get involved :)@@BloodontheClocktower
Kat definitely went too hard trying to make herself look sus, people would've started pushing on her if she stuck to her story.
However, very well done on the Good team, they did a bang up job cracking the game wide open with minimal information and mostly social reads.
The fact this started from a clockmaker 4 is hilarious XD
Amazing!
I've always wanted to see a game with possibilities like this and no Spirit of Ivory. As someone who ALWAYS cheers for evil, I found myself crossing fingers and toes for good this time.
Thanks for a great watch, everyone!
This was a great game to watch! It's a great indirect example of what a Spirit of Ivory can bring to the table, but at the same time, also shows that it's not the be-all-and-end-all if it's not included. :)
Ryan is really figuring all this out on NO INFORMATION, good job man
And this is why it's called Blood on the CLOCKTOWER.
That is a game where evil played very much within the rules of the game but it felt morally better for good to win that. Both sides played well, Evil exceptionally so and then that last day solve from good was amazing. And anyone bashing Ekin's nomination at the end there need to stop. If Ekin didn't then Ryan was going to anyway as Ryan and Debbie had both worked it out. The nom from Ekin was to throw a bit of sus that it may not be Jojo. Let's not forget you get into these games by being fun and amazing players. Every player around the grim is phenomenal at the game and should be treated as such. We are all human, we all make plays that others may not think are optimal, but we have to remember we are only viewers and we are not in the game
You know with the benefit of hindsight I think the best thing evil could have done on that final day was nom Ryan, do an evil rise up to put him on the block and then say nothing more and hope that the player on the block would excelerate the final call. The good team had too much time to figure out what was happening and evil were too cooperative in getting them the solve. Again this is with the benefit of hindsight, I dont think any of the evil team individually made any plays that I would consider a throw but all of it together led to their downfall.
Looks like a fun script! I’m excited for this one
My new favorite home-brew role
Salesman (Minion): On your first night, wake and select a player, a role or a number. Whenever a good player would receive that type of info, they receive your choice instead.
Ooh, interesting idea
Empath: 3???
this game kinda felt like a stream snipe at the end to be honest. if you believe the clockmaker four and you believe there are 5 alive evils (which itself is a bit of a leap), the starting evil team was either kat demon + jojo & duke minions, or duke demon + ekin & kat minions. for jojo to be the demon now you also have to have guessed that they snake charmed the original demon.
Whilst I agree it feels that way, Jacqui or mark could definitely have felt like a minion, especially since they conspired to kill Debby for science from her perspective.
@@HonestAuntyElle in that case you don't have 5 alive evils, though. her theory was that there are 5 alive evils--which, again, is a huge leap by itself! the worldbuilding here was not logically constructed but just somehow happened to magically land on the right person.
I think it would be fun to try and go for a good Mezepheles win. Lie to Jojo, find out the demon, then flip on all of them. 😂
Had to re-watch this. Still one of my favorite games ever ❤
I actually had to stand up during the last noms 😂
Hilarious game - evil completely threw on the last day. There was no reason for Jams to confirm the good roles to gain the good team's trust, Kat should've thrown out 4 balloonist pings, and Kat/Ekins/JoJo should've bluffed the Fool (reasonable bluff to cover for Fortune Teller/Undertaker/Empath claim and blame it on the Widow).
Did Ekin at any point get told that there is a widow in play? Did I just miss it? Because he should know regardless of him being poisoned I think, because that he knows is part of the ability of the Widow.
And why did evil throw this game this hard?
Original demon should've just given sus balloonist info. Wanting to get killed erased any suspicion people had of her being the demon.
Is this a time where spirit of ivory would be applicable?
It's been about a year since this game so I don't recall much about it. Can you elaborate a bit? - Ben
I think the word then ben was thinking of was related to an amnesiac power
Can anyone tell me how to set up for watching the mega stream tomorrow? I have never been able to figure it out.
Tune in to ThePandemoniumInstitute Twitch channel (link in video description) tomorrow at 10am Eastern (3pm UK time) and you should be all set. TPI will raid into the next channel (which will auto connect you to the next game), which will raid into the other one, etc. etc. all the way back into TPI at the end to conclude after 13 hours.
@ thanks
I'm a bit confused regarding the rules, is the Widow supposed to know who will know they're in-play? I assumed you decided that after they chose who to poison, since they could poison themself
A widow would see the token on the player that would learn that they are in play, if the widow choses to poison themself then that token is removed (remember its a reminder token, so its a reminder for the ST to tell that player at the correct point in the night order).
ben you had terrible luck that day on NRB with the Word. One of the words you tried to use that nobody said was town center
The term Boyfriend was given in NRB game to Sullivan, and he got 2 people to say it the first day, I believe it was His actual GF that was the first to say it (Brooke)
I have no idea if the brooke thing is a bit or not but I'm happy either way.
It was Blair the balloonist
I just rewatched that game, and it was Blair who said it first. Brooke did also say it.
@@jakerebadavia7866 it is true, they are a couple
@@diamondsky3787 Brooke and Sullivan live together in London btw.
From what i recall, Sulivan was trying to get people to say the word by talking about his roll in his last game, saying he was playing this boyfriend and wasn't playing it well (or something to that effect)
The evil team just threw it at the end...
Holly crap......Ryan with the clutch
If the NRB crew don't start chanting "Daddy two dongs" I will be very disappointed.
I could not get into the last few NRB videos. The gameplay was painful and the player interactions were not enjoyable enough to save the hours of time invested, at least in my opinion.
@@larsg.2492 I can't say that I've even seen the last few episodes to be honest. Depends on the cast, but that's true for the main BotC channel aswell.
I love the NRB crew even if they do ham it up for the Camera. Is just a fun crew imo.
@@larsg.2492 I find it hard to watch anything but NRB.
Anyone who seriously believed that evil completely threw at the end (it's debatable wether some of them partially threw, but even the one/s who did were making plays that made sense from their perspective) or that good somehow magically knew exactly who to execute, due to some sort of trickery, obviously weren't paying close enough attention to the game.
(almost) Every play that was show on screen (which pretty much included all the important ones) made perfect sense for the players to make in their positions.
Sometimes all the good team needs to win is one or two pieces of info pointing towards the actual demon, or one good player piecing together all the separate pieces of info into a cohesive whole, and the good team just so happened to naturally come across both of those, on the final day.
Jams could have not nominated Kat, forcing Ryan to choose between 4 people (likely Kat, which would have let evil win) to nominate and given good less time to figure things out.
At that point it didn't matter if good knew she was evil or not so she didn't have to keep pretending, because she was either confirmed undertaker, widow, or another evil that talked to widow.
In fact the play probably should have been for Kat to stick to balloonist (to appear to be a no dashi that was cornered with no way out) so good wouldn't catch on that she was either possibly snake charmed or a minion, while wasting time with bad info. Good was going to vote for Kat due to dragon charlz before she suddenly changed her behavior.
But honestly I much prefer this ending. Having 5 / 12 evil is ridiculous and I'm glad good won due to a quick last minute deduction narrowing it down to two people and an unbelievable coincidence where the outdated clockmaker info was pointed to the new snake charmer.
Evil threw. Ben was counting down from 5 seconds when Jams nominated.
But I also don't think they took the loss too hard because they were saying themselves that final day circumstance felt grossly unbalanced
Lol Ben setting up the roles by giving evil such a high chance of winning, and putting the only outsiders that help evil instead of Acrobat and Golem unbalanced the game in the beginning
I don't get why Jojo didn't vote for Kat when they saw Malaki voted and thus they couldn't be out-voted. I get if Duke hadn't caught on if Jojo hadn't told him about the switch, but Jojo could have just said "Duke vote" and won the game. People are too hard on Kat for the leech host bluff, when they had the votes. As for the other thing... I love a good spreadsheet, but it felt more like someone opened a twitch stream with that "what if it were two mez turns" idea out of no where. Or at least got the idea suggested in a dm or something. I just don't believe anyone could come up with something so ridiculous to explain the information the good team had available. There were so many more likely things that could have kept the window ping off. It's unfortunate that this wasn't an in-person game, because if that was a legit solve, there is just no way to prove when the whole thing was being streamed live. I wouldn't even buy Edd coming up with that world at the end out of no-where. I would buy him going oh shit it must have been two mez turns before Ben explained it, but not before hearing "evil won" and working backwards. If anything, it is a compliment to the player if they genuinely solved it, that it was so clever as to be literally unbelievable, and it only matters that they know whether or not they did.
Wouldn't a good Mez basically always turn barring incredible luck?
They could hold on to it until the penultimate day. Knowing that you became a Mez could solve the game and you could potentially win with good team by exposing that. Convincing people you haven't turned is probably the tricky part.
*Edit:* Forgot to say it's like being a Politician with game winning info for good. You win either way. Either you convince town and win with good or town doesn't listen (and the Mez turns) and you win with evil.
It was town square
Does an evil townsfolk register as a minion? Would they loose power from the Preacher?
No. Alignment and character type are not linked. An evil Townsfolk is a Townsfolk. - Ben
Will you guys upload the twitch stream to promote the convention in Washington? I think the mixed cast was entertaining to watch, and a real masterclass for the people from NRB.
I think Ekin should have been given 3 not in play characters when they got switched to mez. Due to the snitch. Right?
No, the snitch is a first night only role with no place in the night order outside of that.
If there was a new snitch in play, then all minions would receive new bluffs.
What happens if a Widow is the first one to choose the Goon, on night one? I'm sure the Goon turns evil and the Widow is drunk for a day, but then what? Does a good player then get notified, and no one is poisoned? The reason I ask is I made a custom script, and could use some help or advice. I also want to be sure that a Monk will keep the Goon from procing to a demon attack. Now I'm wondering about the Fang Gu being first to choose the Goon. The outsider has to die first, to become FGu, so they would turn evil, but not die, and not take over as demon?
N1 widow wakes and picks goon. Goon is evil (assuming no good ability chose them first, but I don't think that would be possible outside of an alchemist poisoner or an amnesiac) and Widow is drunk.
N2, a player learns who the widow is (assuming the widow is still alive and is now sober).
@@mrmalaki I suppose there is no one Widow-poisoned, then. After thinking about it, the Monk trying to protect the Goon would just turn the Goon good. They could still be attacked by the demon.
1) Widow picks Goon to poison, but instead becomes drunk. Goon becomes evil. Second night, Widow becomes sober and the "good player knows" static ability activates. Pick and wake a good player to learn Widow is in play. Nobody is Widow-poisoned because the Widow was drunk when choosing who to poison.
2) Monk chooses Goon and locks them as good. The Goon is not protected because the Monk was drunk. Demon attacks Goon and kills them.
3) Fang Gu picks Goon and is poisoned. They can't kill. They're drunk so their ability is irrelevant (the "first picked" bit). Goon swaps to evil. Also note that the Almanac says "attacks and dies" for how Fang Gu works, so a Monk-protected Outsider will not swap (and Fang Gu's "once" isn't used).
Honestly, custom scripts are generally a bad idea unless you're 100% confident in how characters work as well as the weird interactions you can run into. You might think "I got this" and run the script and then suddenly you're faced with an oddball situation and could make a bad call and ruin the game. You might accidentally create a script heavily unbalanced to one side. There's a lot that can go wrong. A better starting point when you're comfortable with all the characters and possible edge cases is to just play a custom someone else made that's heavily playtested and well-received like Catfishing or official ones like LuF.
Edit: See Mr Malaki's response.
@Kyle B a widow can't see a fake grim after picking the goon, because their choice is made after seeing the grim.
@@mrmalaki Ah, true. I was thinking Sailor/Poisoner for some reason. This is why I don't run custom scripts yet. lol
Is there perferred way to submit a custom role (Townsfolk/Demon)?
The best place to talk about homebrew characters is on the unofficial Discord server. You have to scroll down until you see the "Homebrew" section and #homebrew-characters is the best place to post it. If you're asking if TPI is considering them for possible future characters, I'm assuming the answer is "No." It's just a place for people to have fun talking about (likely horrible and broken) character designs and maybe fleshing them out to something that could work or just laughing about how silly it is.
Side note, I hate that UA-cam does hashtags. lol
@@kyleb8117 Thanks for the great answer. And yeah, I suspect at least 85-95% of homebrew characters are fantastically broken.
@@sylarjordan4037 It's sometimes painful to look at, but often it's hilarious to just think about. If the players are up for a goofy time that likely will end in a broken game, I'm all for it. I made a custom homebrew trying to simulate a future expansion and it was good fun. The only danger is people thinking it's anything resembling a normal game, but as long as they understand it's not, I think it's fine. Sometimes it's fun to just break a game once in a while.
It's so funny to have the mezepheles word as gullible?. I promise, it is!!!
It's even written on my ceiling
Kat played that so badly!!!
I'm not watching it in 2026, but it's 2024 :) almost 2025 :D
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This is a good game. But it really did feel like evil just kinda felt bad for being so overpowered that they handed the win over.
Maybe she was going for a double bluff? Impossible to say what the players were thinking. Maybe they were just overconfident because they had the numbers and it was final 5 instead of the usual final 3. To be fair to evil team, good players thinking a Barber swap happened will likely go for Minions or evil Townsfolk because evil will be tempted to swap between themselves. It was a great game on both sides either way, imo.
Where can I find the mega stream?
Nov 12, 10am EST, ThePandemoniumInstitute twitch channel (I think)
@Adam Sibenik Normally, yes, but tomorrow's starts and ends on TPI, but it is on 4 or 5 other channels throughout the 14-hour stretch. I think the schedule is on TPI's twitter.
@@mrmalaki Thank you for the clarification!
Anyone know what the big news was on Sat the 12th?
A convention that is solely about Blood on the Clcoktower. It will be in the end of April 2023 in the Washington DC area.
Having two evil alignment switchers AND the barber is causing terrible unbalance. I don't think you can have the mezepheles and barber together.
Keep in mind that the good Mez could have decided to stay good while pretending to be evil. Then, the evil team hands him all the information which he then hands over to the town. Maybe nobody would believe him but if they did, it's game over for evil. I think it's a big risk unless you know your players well enough to know who would want to switch to evil.
Homebrew demon idea inspired by this;
Naamah;
Each Night* choose a player to turn evil and die. Their abilities still function whilst dead.
You have no Minions.
What a script. XD
I'm not sure who it was, but some one on the evil side mentioned the double mez world and I think that was the moment that good team realized there's only one good player left and felt the emergency to nominate a demon candidate and use all their ghost votes on that
one blunder turned the table so dramatically, but maybe that was on purpose because the evil team felt bad about the situation and wanted to give the goodies a chance
Good solving in the final hour always annoys me so much.
Honestly thinking the evil team felt bad and threw abit at the end.
Seems they been nominating each other at the end.
Kat played so well until final day. She literally lost the game for evil. Fun game nonetheless.
No she didn't. Good won it for good by voting on the demon.
I'm glad you had fun. Thank you for the kind comment
I personally love outed evil and chaotic plays makes it more interesting
Congrats, Ekin, that’s the single biggest fuck up I’ve ever seen on this game and I’ve seen every single NRB game.
Dumbest play of the game goes to ekin single handley losing the game for his team by nominating there
I mean, Ryan would've probably nommed Jojo anyway based on what was being said.
I don't think so.. If Ekin refused to nominate JoJo, then I think Ryan would have done it himself
Ekin is not dumb, far from it. Don't forget Ryan still had a good nomination left - and an evil nominator can put up a bad accusation to help avoid the demon being executed.
No one in town (and by that I mean the good players) knew for certain who the demon was. There was a very good social read from town (Debbie particularly iirc) that Kat was no longer the demon but if anyone tried to piece things together then they should have actually landed on Ekin being the evil Snake Charmer, rather than JoJo/Kat being barber swapped.
But even with that in mind Kat would be bluffing that she was no longer demon even if she was.
- Also reconsider how you talk about people that are playing a game with friends - there are no "dumb plays", just friends (...well aquaintances) playing a game.
This is a really poor way of looking at what happened. It was clear the town was encouraging Ryan to nom the demon, so Ekin tried to cut off that consensus build by doing it first and make town choose if it was an evil player nomming the demon. They chose correctly that it was, but just sitting there and letting the entire good team convince Ryan to make the nomination didn't feel like a winning line either.
it was better him than Ryan, the town believed Ryan was the last good, and would have rallied behind him no matter what