@Nuclear_Gandhi sage farmer ravenkeeper banshee and other strong roles would not get their ability with psychopath kills which I'd say outweighs the coordination which doesn't really matter since the vigor and all other demons see who the psycho kills and the psycho sees who the demon kills so there is never an issue like an assassin or godfather and demon picking same kill at night
@@michaelkaram467 Lack of coordination can actually screw an evil team completely over especially because an outed Psychopath can't really gauge what the good players are thinking because crucially they're not going to be part of good players' whispers either.
So there is a world that they didnt consider with the alchemist and philo alchemist, if they were both drunk (one by the drunk role and the other by the puzzlemaster) they could have both been told an in play minion as false info. If any of this is wrong I welcome corrections
So, hear me out here. The Fang Gu reads "The first Outsider this kills becomes an evil Fang Gu and you die instead". So the Fang Gu dies and it's target becomes a Fang Gu. Scarlet Woman reads "If there are five or more players alive and the Demon dies, you become the Demon". This means that Kat as the Fang Gu died, which means Maggot should have become a good Fang Gu. Jacqui would of course become the evil Fang Gu, which would mean you'd have two demons, one good and one evil. Cue chaos! I'm sad that didn't happen.
If a Lunatic becomes drunk, does he learn that he's the Lunatic, or does he not get told anything new? I ask 'cause I had a sudden thought: "What happens if a Philosopher gains the power of a Lunatic?"
No, the Lunatic does not learn anything if they become poisoned or Drunk. If the Philosopher chooses to become the Lunatic, they gain all of the abilities of the Lunatic, including having the demon learn which players they pick in the night. - Ben
I believe their server has an "upgraded" Moveer bot that only they have access to but the regular Moveer bot does the exact same thing (except with manual commands rather than buttons that ST presses)
With a fang gu and a Scarlett woman. If the first fang gu jumps to an outsider and then that new outsider dies making the Scarlett woman the fang gu can they jump again?
@@mmmmmmmmmmmmm They may have added that even if the demon is changed from Fang Gu to another demon and then back to the Fang Gu that another change cannot happen. But it goes against the normal rules for how that ability works.
I don't see how Alchemist SW could be a problem in any way All it does, it gives information about SW not being in play Because who cares that if they trigger, they would pick themself next night and end the game? If they would get different minion, game would just end, because demon was killed. So it's just info + one more day if the demon dies, that would not be there if they were different minion
Hey James, thanks for the question. Only one Fang Gu 'jump' can occur each game, and by the time the Fang Gu killed the Drunk, there had already been a jump from the original Fang Gu to the Butler. In early play-testing, the Fang Gu was indeed able to zip around between multiple Outsiders per game, but this simply gave the evil team too much voting power and was over-powered. It was possible in some situations to end up with an actual evil majority, and even easier if you had a Pit-Hag in the game too. - Evin
@@BloodontheClocktower Oh, they nerfed Fang Gu later in development? How recent is that change? There’s loads of games with Fang Gu on the channel pre nerf.
The change happened behind the scenes in early August 2020 but may have taken a little while - maybe a few weeks or months - to trickle out to the games being played online at the time. There are a few games on our channel from before this that feature a Fang Gu, but I can't see any with multiple Fang Gu jumps (although it's possible that I've missed one). - Evin
As a brit I would like to point out the strong importance of Gravy, Licker, as well as Mint, Horseraddish and Bread Sauce in our cuisine; we definitely have more than just red and brown!
@@BloodontheClocktower Surely Ketchup and Brown Sauce are also condiments though? Sauce and condiment are overlapping, like Curry sauce is a sauce and a condiment, but vinegar is just a condiment and Bolognese is just a sauce
Technically, the Assassin's power worked completely, even if it didn't have a net effect. He killed a dead guy, even though dead guys normally cannot die! ::ducks and runs::
Butler doesn't have to necessarily vote when their master votes, they can only vote if their master is voting. That is a butler not following the master is okay but butler transgressing the master and going rogue is not.
@@afp75 It's literally the wording of the character in the rules. There is no reference to forcing a butler to vote.... only a restriction of when they can.
“Oh, you know something I don’t…” “Of course I do, I’m the bloody Storyteller, I know everything!”
A Vigor killed Psychopath would be such a powerful role because you cannot execute them so they and the demons could just two by two the town.
Should probably be a jinx
Psychopath rarely gets killed anyways
On the other hand that's kind of a shabbaloth without the resurrection potential, less coordination, and less voting power
@Nuclear_Gandhi sage farmer ravenkeeper banshee and other strong roles would not get their ability with psychopath kills which I'd say outweighs the coordination which doesn't really matter since the vigor and all other demons see who the psycho kills and the psycho sees who the demon kills so there is never an issue like an assassin or godfather and demon picking same kill at night
@@michaelkaram467 Lack of coordination can actually screw an evil team completely over especially because an outed Psychopath can't really gauge what the good players are thinking because crucially they're not going to be part of good players' whispers either.
So there is a world that they didnt consider with the alchemist and philo alchemist, if they were both drunk (one by the drunk role and the other by the puzzlemaster) they could have both been told an in play minion as false info.
If any of this is wrong I welcome corrections
They have to believe some info
Some of the worlds being discussed at the end made me realize Farmer is a good bluff for Vigor.
"Have you tried turning it off and on again?"
Buy it, use it, fix it.
So, hear me out here. The Fang Gu reads "The first Outsider this kills becomes an evil Fang Gu and you die instead". So the Fang Gu dies and it's target becomes a Fang Gu. Scarlet Woman reads "If there are five or more players alive and the Demon dies, you become the Demon". This means that Kat as the Fang Gu died, which means Maggot should have become a good Fang Gu. Jacqui would of course become the evil Fang Gu, which would mean you'd have two demons, one good and one evil. Cue chaos! I'm sad that didn't happen.
Fang Gu jinx with Scarlet Woman is to prevent this since it makes Scarlet Woman pointless
If a Lunatic becomes drunk, does he learn that he's the Lunatic, or does he not get told anything new? I ask 'cause I had a sudden thought: "What happens if a Philosopher gains the power of a Lunatic?"
No, the Lunatic does not learn anything if they become poisoned or Drunk. If the Philosopher chooses to become the Lunatic, they gain all of the abilities of the Lunatic, including having the demon learn which players they pick in the night. - Ben
Why did Kat vote for Jacqui (her teammate) in the last vote?
People thought Kat was evil, so she was trying to make Jacqui seem good by voting on her. Unfortunately it didn't work out as planned.
curious what bot ben is using to put everyone asleep and bring them to the town hall, if anyone knows.
I believe their server has an "upgraded" Moveer bot that only they have access to but the regular Moveer bot does the exact same thing (except with manual commands rather than buttons that ST presses)
With a fang gu and a Scarlett woman. If the first fang gu jumps to an outsider and then that new outsider dies making the Scarlett woman the fang gu can they jump again?
No, there's been a specific ruling that only one Fang Gu jump can happen per game. Once that happens, nothing refreshes it.
@@julesvanoosterom thank you!
@@julesvanoosterom I think Pithag is the only one who does and that requires two nights of effort. So not impossible but probably not worth it.
@@TheLastSane1no, even pit-hag doesn't
@@mmmmmmmmmmmmm They may have added that even if the demon is changed from Fang Gu to another demon and then back to the Fang Gu that another change cannot happen. But it goes against the normal rules for how that ability works.
I don't see how Alchemist SW could be a problem in any way
All it does, it gives information about SW not being in play
Because who cares that if they trigger, they would pick themself next night and end the game? If they would get different minion, game would just end, because demon was killed.
So it's just info + one more day if the demon dies, that would not be there if they were different minion
The issue may lie in convincing town they aren't just a minion jumping under the bus for a demon once you get to later days
How did Ryan not be jumped to by the Fang gu. He was the drunk which is an outsider?
Hey James, thanks for the question. Only one Fang Gu 'jump' can occur each game, and by the time the Fang Gu killed the Drunk, there had already been a jump from the original Fang Gu to the Butler.
In early play-testing, the Fang Gu was indeed able to zip around between multiple Outsiders per game, but this simply gave the evil team too much voting power and was over-powered. It was possible in some situations to end up with an actual evil majority, and even easier if you had a Pit-Hag in the game too.
- Evin
@@BloodontheClocktower Thank you for the explanation. I appreciate it!!
@@BloodontheClocktower Oh, they nerfed Fang Gu later in development? How recent is that change? There’s loads of games with Fang Gu on the channel pre nerf.
The change happened behind the scenes in early August 2020 but may have taken a little while - maybe a few weeks or months - to trickle out to the games being played online at the time. There are a few games on our channel from before this that feature a Fang Gu, but I can't see any with multiple Fang Gu jumps (although it's possible that I've missed one).
- Evin
Why didn't the Scarlet Woman also become a Fang Gu when the Fang Gu jumped? Doesn't the jump satisfy all the conditions of the Scarlet Woman ability?
there is a jinx icon on the script that says the scarlet woman does not become the fang gu if the fang gu kills an outsider
As a brit I would like to point out the strong importance of Gravy, Licker, as well as Mint, Horseraddish and Bread Sauce in our cuisine; we definitely have more than just red and brown!
Is gravy a sauce though? I've always seen it as more of a condiment. - Ben
@@BloodontheClocktower Surely Ketchup and Brown Sauce are also condiments though? Sauce and condiment are overlapping, like Curry sauce is a sauce and a condiment, but vinegar is just a condiment and Bolognese is just a sauce
What’s the jinx for scarlet woman feng gu?
If the Fang Gu chooses an Outsider and dies, the Scarlet Woman does not become the Fang Gu.
@@julesvanoosterom Thank you, is there anyplace I can go online to find all the jinx’s?
@@morridin7766 I don't remember where I found this, but here's the most complete list I've seen. i.imgur.com/1kRixTH.jpg
@@julesvanoosterom thank you
Technically, the Assassin's power worked completely, even if it didn't have a net effect. He killed a dead guy, even though dead guys normally cannot die! ::ducks and runs::
'I use mayo as a sauce'. The game was great, but the chat commentary from ~26:30-28 just fucking ruined me.
anyone notice the butler didn't vote with roxxi the second night when skills was executed
Butler doesn't have to necessarily vote when their master votes, they can only vote if their master is voting. That is a butler not following the master is okay but butler transgressing the master and going rogue is not.
@@happenable umm ok if that's how its been ruled in the past then I guess its ok then
@@afp75 It's literally the wording of the character in the rules. There is no reference to forcing a butler to vote.... only a restriction of when they can.