That's what I was saying you did a little way overly complicated bro there was a few too many steps in there that were unnecessary and the average person nowadays would try to attempt or duplicate what you did and completely just s*** show it and Destroy and ruin their engine and then they would be trying to blame you for doing it because they watched your video on how you did it and they tried to duplicate it and work competent enough to doing like that now they're mad and butthurt that they were too stupid to not realize that they weren't smart enough to do it that way and they would begin with but in all reality it didn't need to be done that way regardless because like I said you can really just pull out the side where the gear shaft is and put a little ride out and put the plate back on and fill a hole in your done or you in a little washer but yeah he did way too much for the same results you get was about 50 or so less steps @@E36_kidd
I am so glad I found your video. This is, by far, the best and most complete video on this subject! Red Beard and the others could learn from you! Thank you for taking the time and energy to share with us! I liked and subscribed and now I need to watch your other videos! Again, thank you!!!
Why did you take the gear off the crankshaft? This is by far the best video I have ever seen on how to remove the governor, better than Red Beards, Cars and Cameras etc
LNR Ridez WOW, thank you for that compliment. I really appreciate it. I have a valve lash and valve lapping video in the editor, I just have to finish them up. Haven’t had much time between work and family to sit down and do it. Thank you again for your support.
LNR Ridez I remove the gear on the crankshaft because it will slightly reduce the rotational weight of the crankshaft and mostly because I’m taking the crankshaft out anyways, so I might as well just remove it.
What are your thoughts on keeping the stock flywheel if you remove the governor? Seems like a lot of people are paranoid about it not handing more than 4k rpms. I put a stage one on my predator and I'm using the zip tie method for now just because I wasn't aware that gov removal implied needing to replace the flywheel and springs... I figure its safe enough.
This has got to be the cleanest video on UA-cam on how to do this. Thank you for posting this without all of the nonsense, and showing it in great detail.
Thanks brother. I tried everything but a punch to push he gov shaft out from the other side 7:03. That did it I have done a lot of Tecumseh's but this is my first clone Thanks subbed
This is a great video so many people can learn from you. Now I'm not nervous about getting an engine ready for racing. Do you have any intentions on making any other videos? Like how to install a top plate and pulse pump or anything like that?
What size bolts did they thread into the hole for the governor and oil shutoff? I'm looking to remove my governor and oil shutoff but I want to have the correct bolts and tools before I start tearing my motor apart?
When you remove the gear off the crank to the govenor, should you install a shim in its place? I just pulled the gear off my motor and noticed the crank has a little more right to left horizontal movement. Thoughts?
question i hope i can get a response because i am currently making some repairs on the mini bike i have and and i need to replace the crank shaft and when u put in the crankshaft did u had to check your valve lashes when u reinstalled the crankshaft
bro i don’t wanna be mean and im sorry for your loss, but that’s a user error. drain oil, add oil the thing doesn’t run on hopes and dreams sadly but you do give a good point, shoulda showed that you need to ADD oil to an empty engine.
I know you going to think, and so will others reading this, but what does removing the governor do? Is it just getting more power? How’s that effect the longevity of the motor? Surely it voids the warranty, but is it better to do immediately before using the engine? Do you know of anyone in the Boulder Colorado area who will do this work? Thank for any help you can offer.
So how important is it to change the connecting rod and flywheel to a billet one after removing the govenor? Ive seen some do it and some just leave the stock stuff in...i get plastic vs metal, but how did/does this enginr hold up without it?
I know this is an old question, but maybe someone will find it useful later. It really depends on your application. The governor will limit your RPM to around 3600 (they vary some). The next limiting factor in most of these engines is the valve spring weight. OEM springs usually limit the RPM to around 4800 before the valves start to "float". Up to that point, my opinion is that the OEM flywheel and rod are probably fine. If you take the next step and upgrade the valve springs, the limiting factor is likely just your gearing and wheel size. At that point, once you exceed 5k regularly, you really need to replace that flywheel.
@@Mark-vi6cg In my opinion what he did in the video is what amateurs do. Guys who know what they are doing take it a few steps further no matter what RPM is being turned. Governor removal should only be done during an engine build that will include parts that can handle high RPM operation.
shoulda watched this...😂🤣🥲😅 I just took the external governor off my used 212 with an amazon carb and it was a beast... until the little pin holding the part on the internal governor at 6:03 rattled off my engine while riding and the little flappy spinny boi turned into a crunchy boi and the engine turned to a rock..🤣😂 i shoulda done my research lol
I’ve watched other videos on removing the governor and it was very quick but with less removal but ur video is in better details awesome man and thanks for your time! Hopefully I don’t jack it up lol
Just how much does this affect the power output of the engine? (I just bought a go cart, and he told me he removed the governor inside. Wasn't quite sure what he was talking about, but the video explains it.)
Power output depends on what else is done to the engine. If you get a brand new engine and remove the governor and do nothing else it will spin higher than stock RPM but power output will start dropping off after a certain RPM as it leans out.
it won't just fall off, I mean you saw him beating on it to get it off of there. It's pressed on the shaft and wedged against the housing. It's not going anywhere. It's simply just to remove unnecessary rotating weight. with a stock cam/rod/piston, it might free up a little power but not likely as noticeable as just removing the governor itself.
Its a lot easier and faster to just cut off the governor arm that has the bend in it and tap it down. It'll fall down into the engine so then just pull it out and flip it over and insert back into the hole from the top. Now you've plugged the hole so no oil leaks out. The gas tank will sit on top and keep the arm from coming out. No need to even find a bolt that will screw in.
My thoughts and opinions exactly bro exactly what you just said but didn't know how much I felt about confidence-wise but now seeing your Comet post whatever you want to call it makes me feel 110% better cuz I swear I thought to myself could I just do it this way but there's always that what if in the back of your mind you know what I'm saying but now I'm just going to go ahead and do it the way you said it because that's what I thought to myself first time I looked at the whole situation and watched a few other videos but thanks again for your second opinion second opinion always helps in my opinion LOL
Probably the best step-by-step of the process I've seen. However I still got hung up at the replacement bolts part w/ gov out. I have zero clue working on engines, but looking around I ended up getting a bolt and washer slightly bigger than the original governor pin hole and force threaded it in to the block. Zero issues. I cut down and re-used the top pin for the throttle plate.
So I'm thinking about putting one of these in an e-tron Viper 90 I ended up getting it for a lawn mower I was selling that I fixed he gave me 40 bucks and the Viper with a blown motor I'm not too familiar with these Predator Motors but everybody keeps telling me to put a 212 in it is that something complicated to do
OMG....!!!! Dude,, You are Awsome...!! I did it exactly like you did....So Easy....and to think that I was worried that I would &^%$ something up...lmao...Great job man and thanks for the video. I just have one question though...??? I see that when you are torquing down you bolts to spec,,,you go in incriments and work your way up to the desiired torque spec.....Why is this...?? Plz Reply thanks steve
Did he just thread a bolt through the top? Should be good enough unless you plan on riding upside down, but the hole that the oil sensor came through, did you just leave the bolt that came in there, in place? It wont leak through the open hole?
The wire plug nut and bolt for the low oil sensor already does the job of plugging the hole. You can loctite the nut and bolt and it is possible for the wire to come loose, so I super glue them on the outside where the wire comes out of the plug.
Wow this is the first governor removal video I've seen where they fully remove all the parts! I'm surprised though that you only snipped off the low fuel sensor but left it's wire in there. I've seen other videos where they didn't bother fully removing the governor like you did, but however they did tap and put a bolt into where the low oil sensor leaves the case, I guess it's not that necessary?
Thank you for your comment. The wire plug/bolt for the low oil sensor is already there doing it’s job sealing the hole. I do super glue where the wire comes out of the plug to make sure it doesn’t move.
I’m baffled!? Why would anybody do this? This tiny 100 dollar engine has lost many uses. Tie the gov arm to the throttle. Same results. And to undo… cut the wire. And it’s still under warranty
So I basically did this step-by-step and now I have the issue where when I torque down the flywheel the engine does not turn over what did I do wrong please help 🆘
The low oil sensor. You don't need it and it will cause you problems on a go-kart when the oil splashes around while driving and shut the engine off. Cut and remove as he did. Or, if you don't want to fill the whole with a bolt.... just leave it, and cut the wire on the outside to disable it.
My buddy and I are building a 212 for a minibike and this helped me out a lot, thanks!
He even showing you how to put it back together this is great
Finally! A thorough video with torque specs and all! Great job.
Yeah but you don’t need to take the cam or piston out
That's what I was saying you did a little way overly complicated bro there was a few too many steps in there that were unnecessary and the average person nowadays would try to attempt or duplicate what you did and completely just s*** show it and Destroy and ruin their engine and then they would be trying to blame you for doing it because they watched your video on how you did it and they tried to duplicate it and work competent enough to doing like that now they're mad and butthurt that they were too stupid to not realize that they weren't smart enough to do it that way and they would begin with but in all reality it didn't need to be done that way regardless because like I said you can really just pull out the side where the gear shaft is and put a little ride out and put the plate back on and fill a hole in your done or you in a little washer but yeah he did way too much for the same results you get was about 50 or so less steps @@E36_kidd
I am so glad I found your video. This is, by far, the best and most complete video on this subject! Red Beard and the others could learn from you! Thank you for taking the time and energy to share with us! I liked and subscribed and now I need to watch your other videos! Again, thank you!!!
I went to check out your other videos...to my chagrin, there are none! What gives?
you're comparing a step by step removal of an engine component vs go Karting channels.
I’ve been doing this for 5 days now. I hate motors but thanks for the video because it’s helping me
Hey man thanks a lot!! Took me 30 minutes to find the video I needed to actually help me thanks to you 👌
This was a great step by step video! Thanks for taking the time to put this one together for us beginners.
thanks so much nice video! first time ever opening a 212, but this video gave me confidence and job well done 👍
Why did you take the gear off the crankshaft? This is by far the best video I have ever seen on how to remove the governor, better than Red Beards, Cars and Cameras etc
LNR Ridez WOW, thank you for that compliment. I really appreciate it. I have a valve lash and valve lapping video in the editor, I just have to finish them up. Haven’t had much time between work and family to sit down and do it. Thank you again for your support.
LNR Ridez I remove the gear on the crankshaft because it will slightly reduce the rotational weight of the crankshaft and mostly because I’m taking the crankshaft out anyways, so I might as well just remove it.
Plus anything you don’t need in there that might fail could blow the motor up
How do you tap a screw? And what size screws did you use?
@@MrPatrickStephenson 1/4-20 or 1/4-24.
can someone explain what to do with the throttle linkage that was where he put that bolt in at 9:31
What are your thoughts on keeping the stock flywheel if you remove the governor? Seems like a lot of people are paranoid about it not handing more than 4k rpms. I put a stage one on my predator and I'm using the zip tie method for now just because I wasn't aware that gov removal implied needing to replace the flywheel and springs... I figure its safe enough.
stock flywheel should be fine removing the governor but atleast 18lb valve springs should be put in to be safe
@@jaydenv8295 🤣🤣🤣
This has got to be the cleanest video on UA-cam on how to do this. Thank you for posting this without all of the nonsense, and showing it in great detail.
Thanks brother. I tried everything but a punch to push he gov shaft out from the other side 7:03. That did it I have done a lot of Tecumseh's but this is my first clone Thanks subbed
Brilliant! I never thought about punching it out!
What sized bolt was used to block off where the governor was?
Great video, but I had to give a thumbs down for not replacing the piston rod and flywheel.
What size taps? And what size bolts to fill the holes?
This is a great video so many people can learn from you. Now I'm not nervous about getting an engine ready for racing. Do you have any intentions on making any other videos? Like how to install a top plate and pulse pump or anything like that?
What size bolts did they thread into the hole for the governor and oil shutoff? I'm looking to remove my governor and oil shutoff but I want to have the correct bolts and tools before I start tearing my motor apart?
This was a excellent video awesome job on the editing and detail can’t thank you enough helped me greatly all the other videos are a little bit bad
I just did all this and it wouldn’t start back up fml
did you reset the cam properly?
This is a fantastic guide and very well done! Thank you!
What did you do with the throttle and all the springs and other stuff you removed from the top?
How did you figure out how to fix it?
Best video ever thank you so much
When you remove the gear off the crank to the govenor, should you install a shim in its place? I just pulled the gear off my motor and noticed the crank has a little more right to left horizontal movement. Thoughts?
What ever happened? I don't think the gear was acting as a shim
There's no need for a shim. The crankshaft bottoms into the bearing, not the drive gear.
great video but why didnt you start the engine at the end to prove it actually worked
What length bolts did you use in the holes you tapped and what type? I know they had to be 1/4-20.
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question i hope i can get a response because i am currently making some repairs on the mini bike i have and and i need to replace the crank shaft and when u put in the crankshaft did u had to check your valve lashes when u reinstalled the crankshaft
Great Video, thanks!
what is the torque of the internal screws of the engine head?
I want to change the gaskets and I need to disassemble everything
Please help
Im stuck on the part where you tap it with the hammer mine will not come off i did everytging step by step
Someone please help any tips?
I followed your video to the t and my engine still blew out I never seen you put in the oil so I never did it and that alone seized it
bro i don’t wanna be mean and im sorry for your loss, but that’s a user error. drain oil, add oil the thing doesn’t run on hopes and dreams sadly but you do give a good point, shoulda showed that you need to ADD oil to an empty engine.
ان مبتدء في هذا المجال وكنت دائما اقول في نفسي لمذا هذا الترس وما اهميته ولماذا لاانزعه باالمرة شكرا لك على هذا الفديو وعلى جهدك
I know you going to think, and so will others reading this, but what does removing the governor do? Is it just getting more power? How’s that effect the longevity of the motor? Surely it voids the warranty, but is it better to do immediately before using the engine? Do you know of anyone in the Boulder Colorado area who will do this work? Thank for any help you can offer.
It will allow higher RPMs, but if you don't want the motor blowing up, get a billet flywheel and rod.
So how important is it to change the connecting rod and flywheel to a billet one after removing the govenor? Ive seen some do it and some just leave the stock stuff in...i get plastic vs metal, but how did/does this enginr hold up without it?
Pretty important if you don't want stuff flying through your seat, and killing the engine.
I know this is an old question, but maybe someone will find it useful later. It really depends on your application. The governor will limit your RPM to around 3600 (they vary some). The next limiting factor in most of these engines is the valve spring weight. OEM springs usually limit the RPM to around 4800 before the valves start to "float". Up to that point, my opinion is that the OEM flywheel and rod are probably fine. If you take the next step and upgrade the valve springs, the limiting factor is likely just your gearing and wheel size. At that point, once you exceed 5k regularly, you really need to replace that flywheel.
@@Mark-vi6cg In my opinion what he did in the video is what amateurs do. Guys who know what they are doing take it a few steps further no matter what RPM is being turned. Governor removal should only be done during an engine build that will include parts that can handle high RPM operation.
Bro your ass better make a second part on how to install everything back 😭😭😭😭 I’m so fucked LMAOOOO 😭😭😭😭
shoulda watched this...😂🤣🥲😅 I just took the external governor off my used 212 with an amazon carb and it was a beast... until the little pin holding the part on the internal governor at 6:03 rattled off my engine while riding and the little flappy spinny boi turned into a crunchy boi and the engine turned to a rock..🤣😂 i shoulda done my research lol
What about throttle linkage?
What did you do to fix it?
At 2:00 you take that little rod off of the carb how do you re-attatch that arm/spring after you have taken that L shaped piece out?
Amazing guide !! Quick, Simple, Clear!
Why did you remove the two pieces from inside the engine, the oil pump and the gear piece?
Awesome video thank you God bless...
My bike wont start because i took that timing gear out I should've never did that now ima put it back then try again
great video
I’ve watched other videos on removing the governor and it was very quick but with less removal but ur video is in better details awesome man and thanks for your time! Hopefully I don’t jack it up lol
Finally a video that shows exactly the right way of doing it
So what happened to that other video on the valve lash & lapping?
We want the video!! Lol
6:02 is when he pulls the governor out btw !
Do I need a upgraded fly wheel
Dont you have to put a cast aluminum flywheel when you remove the governor
Best videos bro helped out a lot , did it the right way not the easy way !
When you tightened those 2 screws on the crank shaft what pounds did you have it on for your wrench
Just how much does this affect the power output of the engine? (I just bought a go cart, and he told me he removed the governor inside. Wasn't quite sure what he was talking about, but the video explains it.)
Power output depends on what else is done to the engine. If you get a brand new engine and remove the governor and do nothing else it will spin higher than stock RPM but power output will start dropping off after a certain RPM as it leans out.
Now you have to show us how to hook the stock throttle assembly back up in case we don't wanna use a dirt bike carb.. 🤔
How did you figure it out?
Thanks bud. Very good video. What size tap did you use for the holes in the block?
Jason Daniels 1/4” - 24. I’ve also used a 20 thread pitch depending on the bolts I have in hand, so which ever thread pitch the bolts you have are.
Front Runner Karting LLC would a self-tapping screw do the job?
@@imtrolling5059 yes
Of course he didn’t show how to hook throttle linkage up afterwards
Thank u so much. From india
What size bolts did you use?
Is there a performance advantage to taking the crank gear off or is it more of a just in case so it doesn't fall off
it won't just fall off, I mean you saw him beating on it to get it off of there. It's pressed on the shaft and wedged against the housing. It's not going anywhere. It's simply just to remove unnecessary rotating weight. with a stock cam/rod/piston, it might free up a little power but not likely as noticeable as just removing the governor itself.
hey does anyone know how he tapped the holes without a tap? he just put the bolt straight in
On mine I used 1/4” 20 NC, worked perfect.
Got any torque valvues for the two black bolts connecting the cam shaft and piston?
108 inch-lbs or 9 foot-lbs
Its a lot easier and faster to just cut off the governor arm that has the bend in it and tap it down. It'll fall down into the engine so then just pull it out and flip it over and insert back into the hole from the top. Now you've plugged the hole so no oil leaks out. The gas tank will sit on top and keep the arm from coming out. No need to even find a bolt that will screw in.
What did you use to cut the arm?
My thoughts and opinions exactly bro exactly what you just said but didn't know how much I felt about confidence-wise but now seeing your Comet post whatever you want to call it makes me feel 110% better cuz I swear I thought to myself could I just do it this way but there's always that what if in the back of your mind you know what I'm saying but now I'm just going to go ahead and do it the way you said it because that's what I thought to myself first time I looked at the whole situation and watched a few other videos but thanks again for your second opinion second opinion always helps in my opinion LOL
The best teachers do not have to speak. TY
Probably the best step-by-step of the process I've seen. However I still got hung up at the replacement bolts part w/ gov out. I have zero clue working on engines, but looking around I ended up getting a bolt and washer slightly bigger than the original governor pin hole and force threaded it in to the block. Zero issues. I cut down and re-used the top pin for the throttle plate.
What do you do about the throttle cable????
How did you figure out how to fix it?
@@juliancuevasiii8449 go power sports makes a throttle cable top plate that I ordered. Worked perfectly.
Thank you for making this as simple as possible for us👌😮💨
do you have a video of how to connect the preadtor 212cc to power the lights on a coleman bt200x
the predator 212 doesn't have any charging coils to do this stock. i have seen them converted however....
What size screws did you use to fill the holes?
So I'm thinking about putting one of these in an e-tron Viper 90 I ended up getting it for a lawn mower I was selling that I fixed he gave me 40 bucks and the Viper with a blown motor I'm not too familiar with these Predator Motors but everybody keeps telling me to put a 212 in it is that something complicated to do
Gracias!
I followed every single thing in this video and I got rod knock
OMG....!!!! Dude,, You are Awsome...!! I did it exactly like you did....So Easy....and to think that I was worried that I would &^%$ something up...lmao...Great job man and thanks for the video. I just have one question though...??? I see that when you are torquing down you bolts to spec,,,you go in incriments and work your way up to the desiired torque spec.....Why is this...?? Plz Reply thanks
steve
I can’t get the fly wheel bolt out I don’t have a impact gun this is so depressing
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Cool - maybe pull the spark plug out first - easier to turn over while working on it.
Is this the same for the ducar 212?
Lololo I need a Governor right now for 6.5 Honda engine
It came apart
How much for 5/6 good used ones ???
What size bolt for the governor hole?
And when will the next video be coming out?
Thanks man I’m finally ripping
Oh wow, you even have torque call outs. Bravo
What are you holding up at 5:51 and 5:52
Thanx for the video! I just needed to know which way to turn the governor shaft when setting the static adjustment!!!
Where’s the throttle now that you removed it
How did you figure it out?
You took out a lot of stuff that had no need to be out and didn’t completely show how to put everything back together😕
Hello----did you actually tap the block or just let the bolts self tap into the aluminum? Thank you.
Did he just thread a bolt through the top? Should be good enough unless you plan on riding upside down, but the hole that the oil sensor came through, did you just leave the bolt that came in there, in place? It wont leak through the open hole?
The wire plug nut and bolt for the low oil sensor already does the job of plugging the hole. You can loctite the nut and bolt and it is possible for the wire to come loose, so I super glue them on the outside where the wire comes out of the plug.
Wow this is the first governor removal video I've seen where they fully remove all the parts! I'm surprised though that you only snipped off the low fuel sensor but left it's wire in there. I've seen other videos where they didn't bother fully removing the governor like you did, but however they did tap and put a bolt into where the low oil sensor leaves the case, I guess it's not that necessary?
Thank you for your comment. The wire plug/bolt for the low oil sensor is already there doing it’s job sealing the hole. I do super glue where the wire comes out of the plug to make sure it doesn’t move.
I’m baffled!? Why would anybody do this? This tiny 100 dollar engine has lost many uses. Tie the gov arm to the throttle. Same results. And to undo… cut the wire. And it’s still under warranty
@@starzanhorse4758 because its a 100$ engine...
@@starzanhorse4758 because it's what's people want to do with their engines? Seems pretty obvious to me.
So I basically did this step-by-step and now I have the issue where when I torque down the flywheel the engine does not turn over what did I do wrong please help 🆘
ok so what about the 2 wholes you just left in my engine case could I maybe fill those with silicone or JB weld
Self tapping bolts from gopowersports
Same process I use. Except I remove the oil sensor bolt and assembly as well.
I don't get it, where is the part where you re-install the speed control arm and the springs?
Overcomplicated the hell out of it you do not need to do all of this to your engine to simply take the governor out
What was it that you cut the wire inside the engine and removed? But left the other half in the block
I removed my governor now it won’t start what did I do wrong please let me know asap
Why remove it? Makes no sense! Tie it off to the throttle arm. Done. 5 min.
I got a question what was that black thing you cut from the bottom of the engine ? It isn’t important ?
The low oil sensor. You don't need it and it will cause you problems on a go-kart when the oil splashes around while driving and shut the engine off. Cut and remove as he did. Or, if you don't want to fill the whole with a bolt.... just leave it, and cut the wire on the outside to disable it.
Going to attempt to take mine off tomorrow,not enough power for me to get gone when I need to,but hopefully I don't mess up nothing wish me luck 😅
wait so how do we control the speed like the throttle?
Aftermarket carburetor
Great vid but I just pulled my son's down through the block with the crank and piston fully assembled 🤷