If Dan Marino wanted to win super bowls he should have played on a bunch of teams with consistent top 5 defenses and weak division competition like the unquestioned goat.
He did the dolphins had the number one defense his rookie year with the 3rd best offense his second year he had the 7th best defense and the number one offense 😴🤦do u want me to go on??? He just couldn't get it done he had a bunch of top defense to go with that great offense stop the cap
If Dan Marino was a Patriot in 2017, Marino fans like you would point to yet another season how another Marino season ended without a 1000 yard runner, and bad luck in a playoff game losing his favorite target ended any chance of him going to the Superbowl that season. The Patriots had Dion Lewis leading the rushing game with 898 yards that season, and in a huge playoff game that running game provided a whopping 49 yards on the ground, Rob Gronkowski left the game, and Brady was facing 3rd and 18 without him, and down 20-10 in the 4th quarter. Instead of providing a Dan Marino-like magic trick and disappearing in a huge moment, Brady delivered on that play, and then threw 2 td's to win the game and move on. Although they didn't win the Superbowl that year, it just proves you can make up any Marino excuse you want, but for every one of those, there are Brady moments that prove he was better than Marino. Marino was great at padding stats, and making his fans forget what the game was all about in the first place. WINNING.
@@dantehaskell5688 You can't have a running game when you don't give any running back 200 carries until Abdul-Jabar comes along in 1996 (when Jimmy Johnson comes along). Dan Marino would have made Emmitt Smith an average runner by only giving him the ball 180 times or less. The best defense against the Dolphins running game was Dan Marino.
It has to be mentioned that Marino was playing in an era where Defense was allowed to smash offensive players. The league wasn't built on drawing Pass Interference calls to continue drives and offenses winning by officiating.
@@DoctorHver It's a team sport and Montana won 4 with one of the greatest teams ever amassed. The Dolphins as a whole were not as great as the 49ers and their underrated defense shut Marino down in the one SB he played in. Not an "excuse for Marino" just a fact the better team won.
@@sean4677 Elway made 3 SB in the 80's with worst teams, Marino is a loser who cant win in playoff, that conference final in Miami against San Diego 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ and he was a turtle too.
Marino, Elway and Peyton are the best I’ve ever seen at the qb position. If Dan played with today’s rules he’d probably throw for 6000 yards a season. Great video
@@roland7584 Dunno, i's harder to play defense without getting flagged nowadays and you have Peyton getting away with even worse numbers in the postseason with two SB wins.
@@iamhungey12345 Manning's postseason stats are still way better than Marino's. He only played 1 more season than Marino and brought his team to the playoffs 15 times and Marino only made it 10. His QB rating was 87 where Marino's was 77. Marino seems to get all the credit for the good stuff but none of the credit for not actually winning when it counted. Dan Marino played in an era where the AFC was weak and the NFC was strong and he still only got there by joining a team that was already near the top and could never get back there again. In Manning's case, it was the complete opposite as the AFC was stacked with teams, one being the Patriots of course, but the Steelers and the Ravens and even the Raiders were part of the mix as well as the Chargers. I can't imagine if Marino would have gone to a bad team like Vinny Testeverde did to start his career on what excuses would be out there for him. Vinny (and Steve Young) both got crushed early in their careers with an absolute horrible team around them on offense, and they get less credit and are far more underrated than they should be.
I’m a life long Dolphins fan from Florida who was 12 for that magic ‘84 season. The whole state was crazy for Marino for his whole career. Having grown up loving Marino it still hurts that the Dolphins so badly wasted his career.
I was 11! Man oh man was I a Dolphins homer back then and for good reason. From '82-85 they won more regular season games than any other team and also had the second best point differential. They should've gone to four straight Super Bowls like the Bills.
@@DolFan316 Not with Marino's stats in the playoffs. He helped keep them out of the Superbowl for his career with his below average playoff performances.
An even more cruel twist of fate. The year before Marino was drafted, Miami lost to the Redskins 27-17 in Super Bowl 17. Dolphins QB David Woodley's stat line is nauseating, completing just 4 out of 14 passes for 97 yards, 1 touchdown, and 1 interception. Despite this, the Dolphins had a 17-13 lead in the 4th quarter before John Riggins and the Hogs (Washington O-line) bulldozed their way to a championship. Had Marino been able to play for the Dolphins just one year earlier in 1982, he almost certainly would've won a Super Bowl in his rookie season.
And Woodley drank himself to death in the same small town he grew up in and he was broke. I always liked woodley, but after drafting Marino his career was over in Miami.
The 82 Dolphins had the Killer B's defence in their prime and a more than respectable running game, which is more than can be said for any of the teams in which Marino played. Of course that was the way Don Shula always built his teams, but when Marino came along he threw out that playbook and Miami became a team that put up astounding passing stats but couldn’t run the ball or stop opposition offences. You do have to wonder how a coach as great as Shula never could find that balance in the Marino era.
Here's the real reason Marino never won a Super Bowl: Joe Robbie was a cheap skate. For years, Shula pleaded with Robbie to spend more money in the front office to retain highly valued people. And of course Robbie did not help Shula, and all the FO decision making fell on the head coach. George Young and Bobby Beathard left Miami's FO and ended up with the New York Giants and the Washington Redskins. If Miami had retained either of those two, Shula would have had a more talented roster to coach, and Marino might have won one or more Super Bowls. BTW, the Giants and Redskins combined for 5 Super Bowl victories under Young and Beathard.
Young and Beathard didn't exactly help out the Dolphins when they had the chance in the '70s. Joe Thomas was responsible for the unbeaten team. After he left Beathard took over and suddenly the Fins got very little out of their drafts, especially from '71-73. There's no evidence either man would've gotten them a Super Bowl win when they'd already had years to do so and failed to even win a playoff game without Joe Thomas's leftovers.
@@DolFan316 Amazingly, they're also not the first team to lose coaches to other teams. The excuses never end for Marino. If it wasn't for WWII, he would have won a Superbowl.
Excellent video. If Marino was blessed with even an average run game and defense there’s a much better chance he wins a ring. He dragged that awful team to the playoffs multiple times after 1985 and unlike some QB’s who get bailed out when they play like trash in the playoffs, Marino didn’t have that same luxury
@@yankeeluver100 Joe Montana had such good defenses which were top 5 and Bill Walsh’s offense imagine if Marino got that, Montana is a bit overrated he’s basically the Brady of his era but everyone pretends he didn’t have stacked teams.
@@zy2141 he'd easily have 2-3 rings. Something this guy forgot to mention was the reluctancy of the Dolphin's organization to spend money. If they did so and maybe had slightly better drafts than what Shula pulled off, the Phins easily have at least one extra ring.
Dan Marino is my favorite QB of all time and I believe he is the greatest QB of all time even without a Superbowl. I wish my Bears would have Drafted Dan Marino in the 83 Drafted! Could you imagine Marino playing for the 85 Bears team with that Defense and playing along with the Great Walter Payton? if that would of happened he would have Won alot of Superbowls championships.
I have been watching football since the 1970s. I have never been to Miami fan. The Dan Marino was one of the greatest quarterbacks I have ever seen play the game. He may not have a super bowl but let's hope people remember him for the fact that he was one of the greatest.
@@MikeBNumba6 most of those touchdowns came of defensive stops, and bad field positions. Perfect example of that is the saints game. If only butterfingers jaret cook didn't let go of thr ball.
YAYYYYY! The Dolphins won the biggest game of their franchise history since 1974. There are no other highlights since then. 17 years of Marino and that's the only real highlight. I'd rather be a Browns fan.
So from what I’ve gathered from this video it’s that Marino carried his entire team for 90% of his career, had to play a historically great bills team for a good portion of it, and if he even made it to the super bowl he would’ve had to face two dynasties in The 49ers and Cowboys.
Yep. No matter who he would have faced, it would never be his fault for the loss, because he was the greatest ever and would never lose had everything worked out perfectly for him. Instead, it's everyone else's fault.
@@zy2141 Exactly. Bill Walsh even said Joe Montana is a system QB and Dan Marino was the system. I met Bill Walsh in 1999 and asked him who was the better QB. He smiled and wouldn't answer the question. I said I take that as Marino and He just laughed. The people around Bill Walsh have said He was smitten with Marino and thought He was the best QB He ever saw.
That ability to rally absolutely matters lmao. Imagine downplaying the aspects of a good quarterback in favor of claiming 20 years of miscellaneous luck factors
Barry-what great analysis and great video overall. For me it comes down to the study done on Pro-Football-Reference by Chase Stuart concerning a QB's Value to his team in the playoffs. They also do that same study for the Regular Season. Marino is in the Top 10 QB's for Value in the Reg. Season.
Here is the problem-he is not even in the Top 100 IN THE PLAYOFFS. They determined that Dan gave his team a NEGATIVE VALUE in 10 playoff games and a Value in the single digits in 2 others. His overall Value was a terrible NEGATIVE 156.
Three of those Negative Value games were his 3 Championship Game losses -in '84 (S.B.), '85 (Conf. Champ.), and '92 (Conf. Champ.). Dan gave the Dolphins a Negative Value in 9 of his 10 playoff losses overall.
Here are other totals. Favre 302, Warner 422, Staubach 461, Aikman 527, Young 580, Elway 767, Bradshaw 903, and Montana 1,292. Again Marino was NEGATIVE 156. This study was done from '67 thru '06 so we do not have complete totals for Starr, Unitas, Brady, P.Manning, Brees, etc. etc.
Here are Marino's stats from his 3 Champ. Game LOSSES-he had 4 TD's but 6 INT's, and 2 fumbles, an avg Passer Rating of under 60, and he led his offense to an avg. of only 12 p.p.g. How can a team win championships when their QB is playing like that ??
I always blamed Shula and the front office for not building a running game. I remember when they finally got a great TE in Jackson, and how that seemed to rejuvenate him, but it was clear that the Bills were not going to be beaten.
Damn, thank you for another great video. Buddy of mine keeps telling me about Marino, but I brushed it off. Watching this made me gain so much more respect for Marino!
@@krambone Back in those days the Dolphins were not great at drafting and also there was no free agency without compensation which compounded the issue. The 49ers drafted very well.
@@zy2141 Yeah, for example the 84 49ers, all the stars on that team that the Niners were built around were all drafted by San Fran. They were all very young at the time. The oldest of the big 49ers stars entered the league in 1979, Dwight Clark and Montana. Craig was in his 2nd year, Ronnie Lott came aboard in 1981. San Fran was hitting gold in their drafts at the time with talent they'd lean on for many years. Jerry Rice would join those ranks in 1985, also drafted by SF.
tbf to basically every 70s and 80s QB (including Montana) is that when his team really needed him, the run game or the short pass wasn't quite working, they usually bossed up and If you are like those Steeler teams that won games with the run and the defense or the 9er teams that won with the short pass system and the defense, that's all they really needed, a clutch QB. Brady on the other hands best super bowl performance and playoff performance as a whole is the one he lost against the eagles where he got out dueled by Nick Foles, second best playoffs AND superbowl statistically was probably the one he won against the eagles in 2004 where the patriots forced 4 turnovers in the super bowl. Brady's best career accomplishment is being underpaid letting him teams spend more money on actually good players and being followed everywhere by human panic button gronk
As a Raiders fan I often wonder what would've happened if they drafted him. As they had a ferocious defense and Marcus Allen, this would've sidestepped the issues he had in Miami. Plus even in 83, Plunkett was inconsistent and benched due to that. Could you imagine if Marino stepped in? Very likely he never relenquishes the starting spot and we see a rookie Marino against Washington in SBXVII. Given the Raiders won with great defense, special teams and Marcus Allen, it's probable that Marino would've been the first starting rookie QB to win a SB and we'd be having a different conversation about him.
From what I have read and seen, Dan Marino never really was patient enough to feature his running game and that is what cost them a lot of the time. He was depended on to the win the game with his arm. He just needed a running game to take the pressure off.
No, this is 100% false. What Marino was impatient about was trying to run the ball when the line was horrible and the backs were average to below average. He knew it wasn't going to work. There were plenty of games, especially in the 90s, when Miami had success running the ball and did it the entire game. I remember opening day in 1995, Miami vs Jets. Marino only threw the ball 20 times. They ran it for well over 200 yards.
The Dolphins front office passed on a lot of star players during his tenure there. They could’ve had players like Deion Sanders and Reggie White, but they didn’t give him a foundational team.
Miami didn't build a good defense until Marino retired, Sam Madison, Patrick Surtain, Jason Taylor, Zach Thomas, Brock Marion, imagine if Marino would've had this defense in his prime
My aunt went to HS with him in Pittsburgh and she said that he was very humble and most people didn't even know who he was unless you paid attention to Central Catholics football program.
Very good video and some very good points - especially the SB opponents in 83, 84, 85, 92 & 94. 93 would have been a chance if not for the injury as Cowboys were weaker in 93 (Dolphins even beat them on snowy thanksgiving without Marino). Note that in 86 and 87 the Dolphins were already eliminated from play offs prior to their final week loss to Patriots. Also for the 97 playoff loss it should be appreciated the Patriots had much of the Dolphins offensive playbook courtesy of the ex Dolphin Keith Byars who taught it to his new team mates. Final point - Dolphins conceded 2,110 yards in Marino’s 10 play off losses. An incredible average of 211 per game.
Okay, a few things. First, he wasn't healthy for the 1983 Divisional Playoff game against the Seahawks. He sprained his knee in the second to the last game at the Oilers, and missed the final game against the Jets. Shula was thinking about starting Don Strock for the playoffs but Strock hurt his ribs against the Jets and was in even worse shape than Marino for the playoff game. Second, in 1988, Marino was named second team All-Pro despite the Dolphins 6-10 record. That is quite an accomplishment. Lastly, in the Jimmy Johnson years (1996-1999), Jimmy INSISTED on trying to establish his TERRIBLE running game, which lead to Marino facing 3rd and long situations throughout the entire season. It is a true testament to Marino's greatness that he was able to get three out of four of those Dolphins teams to the playoffs.
JJ was threatened by Marino's alpha status and knew as long as he (Marino) was around JJ would never be seen by DolFans as The Man. He did everything he could to sabotage Marino, both intentionally and subconsciously. The horrible offensive drafting, including passing up Randy Moss to take John Avery in '98. The insistence on running the ball when the JJ Era Fins have 3 of the 4 lowest yards per carry averages in team history. Taking away audibles in '99. It was even worse than what Brian Flores did to Tua! MUCH worse.
@@agentorange1156 Who were the hall of fame WR's Marino was throwing too? Also it was a different time, the defense was aloud to actually play defense.
@@jacoblee5796 @jacoblee5796 listen up, sassy little lady. Staubach 71, which was not the whole season because Landry didn't start him at first, was 15 TD, 4 INT, 1800 yards, and a 104 passer rating. Undefeated in 13 games. A 104 passer rating, in 1971, is INSANE. Unadjusted, that would put Staubach in the top five even today. It's better than every top rating in 2000-06 except 04. It's only four off Marino 84. And he did it in the peak of the dead ball era when passing games were primitive, and DBs were way more liberal with PI than they were after the Mel Blount rule. Mathematically adjusted for era, it's among the best seasons ever. And make no mistake, unlike Marino, Staubach could run. Among runners with 40 carries, even including sacks, Staubach ran for an average of over 8 yards in 1971. With a 104 passer rating. Yeah, let's see Marino try that.
@James Windows would you say Jim Plunkett is better than Dan Marino? He really wasn't good (he threw 34 more interceptions than touchdowns in his career), but you can't deny what he did by giving the Raiders two rings in 4 seasons.
Just like Elway he needed a run game to share the load to finally win a SB. Some of that is in Shula too. As much as I loved him he focused too much on utilizing Marinos arm and moving away from building a defense and run game like he had done in the past
My takeaway from this is that Patrick Mahomes should be very grateful that he got his ring because his career trajectory is looking a lot like Marino's right now
well analyzed, Barry: merci. just it seems TB12 might be more blessed in mental strenght, thus I ´d agree Dan is more talented as a passer and much more loving the game of football. Dan is brother in spirit of Toni Schumacher - legendary goalie of german soccer...
Because of the 72 Dolphins season they aren’t allowed to win another one. The universe simply won’t allow a third Dolphins Super Bowl, I’m surprised it allowed a second tbh.
so my big takeaway from this is Marino carried a bad defense for most of his career, had to play a historically great bills team twice a year for half of his career, and even if he made the suberbowl he would have to contend with either the 49ers or cowboys. Football truly is a team sport, no matter how much talent one position player has, he needs a team around him to win it all.
This is overall a very good video but there is some further context that you should probably be aware of. First, Marino played the 1983 game against the Seahawks injured, which obviously effected his play. Second, you point out the poor performance of the Dolphins offense at the end of his career, but there is a lot of stuff that happened which caused this. When Jimmy Johnson took over he insisted on "establishing the run", and he did so despite the fact Miami didn't have the personnel to do so. So the play calling suffered, because they were running the ball when they didn't have the ability to do so. That's why Marino and Johnson clashed - if you want to win games, and you don't have the right players to rush the ball, you have to throw it. Marino was 100% right, as a casual look at the rushing YPC during those seasons proves. Another thing Johnson did was he took away Marino's ability to audible out of plays at the line of scrimmage. Marino was historically extremely good at making pre-snap reads and audibling into productive plays, usually pass plays which took advantage of something he saw in the defense. So of course Marino's passing efficiency gradually declined under Johnson. In fact, that famous pass to Oronde Gadsden against the Colts in Indianapolis was a clandestine audible on Marino's part which he was technically restricted from calling. It was 4th down and Johnson had called a play where Gadsden was to run a short route. In the huddle Marino looked right at Gadsden and said to run a go pattern and he'll throw it to him. Gadsden made the right choice and ran the go. Another thing, under Johnson, Marino didn't have any good receivers. The best of the lot was OJ McDuffie. Who? Exactly. I guess you could say Tony Martin in 1999 was an OK receiver, but he was well past his prime and by the next year was clearly washed up. In fairness to Johnson, Yatil Green, a 1997 1st round WR draft pick, pretty much had his career ended by injury the instant he came into the league. But the prospect of his possible return was a factor in the organization not putting much effort into acquiring a top tier WR. The point I'm making is those late Marino-era Dolphins teams that actually had effective defenses were poor on offense DESPITE Marino based on factors outside of his control. Oh, and regarding his final season and those shitty numbers, keep in mind he was dealing with a weird shoulder nerve injury that he came back too soon from. His first game post-injury was a Thanksgiving match against the Cowboys where he clearly wasn't healthy yet and threw 5 interceptions. But still, he was definitely past his prime and made the right decision in retiring after the 1999 season ended - his body had worn out over the years (QBs weren't protected nearly as much through most of Marino's career as they are now).
Very good video, but I think you forgot one very important variable: the offensive line. Marino consistently had one of the worst lines in the league until 1990, when they drafted Richmond Webb the LT. He greatly helped with pass pro, but was not a very good run blocker. The reason Miami could never run the ball was because of the line. They spent countless high draft picks on running backs, because as you correctly pointed out, having a strong running game was very important in that era. In fact, no team won a championship without a great running game. There were, however, several teams that won championships without a great QB.
When the greatest sack avoider of all time (even to this day with a hyper-refined short passing game and rule changes) is getting sacked 4 times in a playoff game you know something is wrong with the team. And I had no idea about all the fumbles. Good lord was he unlucky.
I just found out the Dolphins did have David Overstreet until 1984. A solid all-around back that would have helped him in the future. He's coming back a subpar rookie season, but if used properly, and he had Don Shula, so I think he would have, he could be good. But this is Dan Marino, so of course Overstreet passed away in a car crash during his sophomore season at the young age of 25. Poor Marino.
Until his season which was shortened by injury, he NEVER had a 1,000+ yard Running Back behind him. More than 1 player is needed to win games. Go Chargers!
Having spent my early years watching Marino's final 7 or 8 seasons, to watching the Brown-like QB carousel has been rough! The best chance Miami had to get another great qb, was when they could have had Drew Brees. But, passed on him for Daunte Caulpepper. Just a huge, what if. Unfortunately, like many other decisions the Dolphins have made over the years, it was the wrong one.
I don't know why Dolphins fans always talks about Drew Brees. Yea we could've had him yet no one ever talks about us getting Aaron Rodgers in the 06 draft yet we got Ronnie Brown that didn't even play 5 seasons for the Dolphins. I would've rather had Rodgers than Brees
@@PatrickEtheridge1983 same here just don't understand why Dolphins fans never talk about getting picking Ronnie Brown over Rodgers like they are so blinded on what Ronnie Brown did to the patriots with the wild cat
They actually passed over Brees twice. Could've drafted him in '01 but chose CB Jamar Fletcher instead when they already had the league's top rated pass D and Jay Fiedler at QB.
If only Dan Marino could’ve played defense as good as Tom Brady does, he’d have a few Super Bowls
He didn't had Brady's killer instict to become 4 black defensive players to force turnovers
Tom Brady is the greatest defensive player of all time thats why he is the goat
If marino was on the 49ers. he definitly could have won a lot.
Run game
"Top 10 Most Carried NFL Players".
If Dan Marino wanted to win super bowls he should have played on a bunch of teams with consistent top 5 defenses and weak division competition like the unquestioned goat.
Well he’s loyal
No, he should have forced his opponents to turn the ba over and mae stupid mistakes over and over
Trent Dilfer?
@@iamhungey12345 Brady
He did the dolphins had the number one defense his rookie year with the 3rd best offense his second year he had the 7th best defense and the number one offense 😴🤦do u want me to go on??? He just couldn't get it done he had a bunch of top defense to go with that great offense stop the cap
The Dolphins failed him. A generational talent at quarterback and Miami never built around him
For the life of me I cannot name a Miami WR from Marino’s career.
i feel like if the steelers drafted him he wouldve won a superbowl idk thats just my thoughts as the steelers were really good in the 90s
@@blakeharris58 He acutally had the Clayton brothers who were Pro Bowlers
@@blakeharris58 But overall he had a bad team around him
@@rabiracowq7429 for as good as the mark brothers were they were tiny dudes not capable of making big plays unless Marino was hitting them on stride.
As a dolphins fan we really could’ve used Tom Brady’s defensive skill set during the Marino era
Nice job stealing comments.👊
As a Dolphin fan you should come up with your own original joke or take. I'm sure it will not be difficult to collect material
haha
If Dan Marino was a Patriot in 2017, Marino fans like you would point to yet another season how another Marino season ended without a 1000 yard runner, and bad luck in a playoff game losing his favorite target ended any chance of him going to the Superbowl that season. The Patriots had Dion Lewis leading the rushing game with 898 yards that season, and in a huge playoff game that running game provided a whopping 49 yards on the ground, Rob Gronkowski left the game, and Brady was facing 3rd and 18 without him, and down 20-10 in the 4th quarter. Instead of providing a Dan Marino-like magic trick and disappearing in a huge moment, Brady delivered on that play, and then threw 2 td's to win the game and move on. Although they didn't win the Superbowl that year, it just proves you can make up any Marino excuse you want, but for every one of those, there are Brady moments that prove he was better than Marino. Marino was great at padding stats, and making his fans forget what the game was all about in the first place. WINNING.
@@roland7584 “He didn’t give me an autograph that one time, wah!”
He didn’t win a super bowl because he couldn’t activate the will of his defense like Brady does. 😤
It’s called a joke dude. 😂
Or have any run game
@@dantehaskell5688 You can't have a running game when you don't give any running back 200 carries until Abdul-Jabar comes along in 1996 (when Jimmy Johnson comes along). Dan Marino would have made Emmitt Smith an average runner by only giving him the ball 180 times or less. The best defense against the Dolphins running game was Dan Marino.
If the 84 Steelers could put 28 points on the Dolphins with QB Mark Malone then you know that Miami did not have a Championship calibre defense.
Absolutely ...a faded , talent challenged defense .
Malone was also the only QB to beat the Niners that year, and Marino couldn't do that.
@@roland7584
Yes, Mark Malone held the 49ers offense down while Dan Marino couldn’t.
@@lzv6990 The excuses for Marino are long. 2 Hall of Fame coaches couldn't coach that guy to a Superbowl in his entire career. Keep 'em coming.
@@roland7584 It’s not an excuse, people are just pointing out you don’t know much about football.
You’re a class act for making these kind of videos Barry. Keep em coming!
This is what UA-cam commentary should be.
No fucking around, straight to the point.
And no political agenda either!
Had to stop doing hw because Barry uploaded
#1 Underrated UA-camr
It has to be mentioned that Marino was playing in an era where Defense was allowed to smash offensive players. The league wasn't built on drawing Pass Interference calls to continue drives and offenses winning by officiating.
Yet Montana won four so whats Marino's exuse.
@@DoctorHver
It's a team sport and Montana won 4 with one of the greatest teams ever amassed. The Dolphins as a whole were not as great as the 49ers and their underrated defense shut Marino down in the one SB he played in. Not an "excuse for Marino" just a fact the better team won.
@@DoctorHver did you even watch the video? Do you think before you comment?
People will say this is a boomer take but it’s really true; football has changed DRAMATICALLY in a short time
@@sean4677 Elway made 3 SB in the 80's with worst teams, Marino is a loser who cant win in playoff, that conference final in Miami against San Diego 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ and he was a turtle too.
Marino, Elway and Peyton are the best I’ve ever seen at the qb position. If Dan played with today’s rules he’d probably throw for 6000 yards a season. Great video
And might even have a better shot for the SB as well.
@@iamhungey12345 Nah. He'd still choke in the playoffs. That was his MO.
@@roland7584 Dunno, i's harder to play defense without getting flagged nowadays and you have Peyton getting away with even worse numbers in the postseason with two SB wins.
@@iamhungey12345 Manning's postseason stats are still way better than Marino's. He only played 1 more season than Marino and brought his team to the playoffs 15 times and Marino only made it 10. His QB rating was 87 where Marino's was 77. Marino seems to get all the credit for the good stuff but none of the credit for not actually winning when it counted. Dan Marino played in an era where the AFC was weak and the NFC was strong and he still only got there by joining a team that was already near the top and could never get back there again. In Manning's case, it was the complete opposite as the AFC was stacked with teams, one being the Patriots of course, but the Steelers and the Ravens and even the Raiders were part of the mix as well as the Chargers. I can't imagine if Marino would have gone to a bad team like Vinny Testeverde did to start his career on what excuses would be out there for him. Vinny (and Steve Young) both got crushed early in their careers with an absolute horrible team around them on offense, and they get less credit and are far more underrated than they should be.
@@roland7584 Peyton had better teams much of the time though.
I’m a life long Dolphins fan from Florida who was 12 for that magic ‘84 season. The whole state was crazy for Marino for his whole career. Having grown up loving Marino it still hurts that the Dolphins so badly wasted his career.
I was 11! Man oh man was I a Dolphins homer back then and for good reason. From '82-85 they won more regular season games than any other team and also had the second best point differential. They should've gone to four straight Super Bowls like the Bills.
@@DolFan316 Not with Marino's stats in the playoffs. He helped keep them out of the Superbowl for his career with his below average playoff performances.
There were actually 2 Hall of Famers on that 49er defense. The late Fred Dean, who died of COVID last year, has a bust in Canton.
There ought to be at least one more - still don't understand how Roger Craig hasn't made it in yet.
@@dcbandnerd especially since he was the first to have 1000 yards both rushing and receiving
Is Charles Haley a HOFer?
@@ForWhatItsWorth_ yes but he wasn't drafted until like 1988 I believe
I'd like for politics to be kept out of this.
Damn two in a week that’s impressive
An even more cruel twist of fate. The year before Marino was drafted, Miami lost to the Redskins 27-17 in Super Bowl 17. Dolphins QB David Woodley's stat line is nauseating, completing just 4 out of 14 passes for 97 yards, 1 touchdown, and 1 interception. Despite this, the Dolphins had a 17-13 lead in the 4th quarter before John Riggins and the Hogs (Washington O-line) bulldozed their way to a championship.
Had Marino been able to play for the Dolphins just one year earlier in 1982, he almost certainly would've won a Super Bowl in his rookie season.
And Woodley drank himself to death in the same small town he grew up in and he was broke. I always liked woodley, but after drafting Marino his career was over in Miami.
The 82 Dolphins had the Killer B's defence in their prime and a more than respectable running game, which is more than can be said for any of the teams in which Marino played. Of course that was the way Don Shula always built his teams, but when Marino came along he threw out that playbook and Miami became a team that put up astounding passing stats but couldn’t run the ball or stop opposition offences. You do have to wonder how a coach as great as Shula never could find that balance in the Marino era.
Here's the real reason Marino never won a Super Bowl: Joe Robbie was a cheap skate. For years, Shula pleaded with Robbie to spend more money in the front office to retain highly valued people. And of course Robbie did not help Shula, and all the FO decision making fell on the head coach. George Young and Bobby Beathard left Miami's FO and ended up with the New York Giants and the Washington Redskins. If Miami had retained either of those two, Shula would have had a more talented roster to coach, and Marino might have won one or more Super Bowls. BTW, the Giants and Redskins combined for 5 Super Bowl victories under Young and Beathard.
Young and Beathard didn't exactly help out the Dolphins when they had the chance in the '70s. Joe Thomas was responsible for the unbeaten team. After he left Beathard took over and suddenly the Fins got very little out of their drafts, especially from '71-73. There's no evidence either man would've gotten them a Super Bowl win when they'd already had years to do so and failed to even win a playoff game without Joe Thomas's leftovers.
@@DolFan316 Amazingly, they're also not the first team to lose coaches to other teams. The excuses never end for Marino. If it wasn't for WWII, he would have won a Superbowl.
Excellent video. If Marino was blessed with even an average run game and defense there’s a much better chance he wins a ring. He dragged that awful team to the playoffs multiple times after 1985 and unlike some QB’s who get bailed out when they play like trash in the playoffs, Marino didn’t have that same luxury
Marino doesn't wanted a run game, he was only interested on his statistics, please stop making excuses to this loser
I’m not gonna lie I was in awe of this highlight tape the whole time
As a Dolphins fan, I agree with almost everything said in this video. Thank you, sir.
IMO he’s better than Joe Montana
@@zy2141 I'd agree
@@yankeeluver100 Joe Montana had such good defenses which were top 5 and Bill Walsh’s offense imagine if Marino got that, Montana is a bit overrated he’s basically the Brady of his era but everyone pretends he didn’t have stacked teams.
@@zy2141 he'd easily have 2-3 rings. Something this guy forgot to mention was the reluctancy of the Dolphin's organization to spend money. If they did so and maybe had slightly better drafts than what Shula pulled off, the Phins easily have at least one extra ring.
@@gregtrust5599 I was giving a conservative estimate, lol.
This series is amazing. You should do Philip Rivers next
Yep
He should do why andrew luck retired early
Why Did Aaron Hernandez Died So Early?
@@radboy490 cuz he was a murderer
@@idontdeservethis1979 No cause he was gae
Barry's voice is so smooth
Dan Marino is my favorite QB of all time and I believe he is the greatest QB of all time even without a Superbowl. I wish my Bears would have Drafted Dan Marino in the 83 Drafted! Could you imagine Marino playing for the 85 Bears team with that Defense and playing along with the Great Walter Payton? if that would of happened he would have Won alot of Superbowls championships.
I have been watching football since the 1970s. I have never been to Miami fan. The Dan Marino was one of the greatest quarterbacks I have ever seen play the game. He may not have a super bowl but let's hope people remember him for the fact that he was one of the greatest.
As an arod fan I love your Twitter trolling barry, but I never expected such cerebral analysis from ya. Don't judge a book by its cover ig 👏👏👏
@@ArgentineFootballfan1978 He was really efficent in the nfc championship
@@MikeBNumba6 most of those touchdowns came of defensive stops, and bad field positions. Perfect example of that is the saints game. If only butterfingers jaret cook didn't let go of thr ball.
Best QB that I've ever seen with my own two eyes.
The Turtle Marino 🤣🤣🤣
The 85 Bears were threatening Miamis perfect season and Marino and the rest of the Dolphins weren't letting that happen
YAYYYYY! The Dolphins won the biggest game of their franchise history since 1974. There are no other highlights since then. 17 years of Marino and that's the only real highlight. I'd rather be a Browns fan.
Ok but he doesn’t respect women like ben roethlisberger
Big Ben is such a class act
So from what I’ve gathered from this video it’s that Marino carried his entire team for 90% of his career, had to play a historically great bills team for a good portion of it, and if he even made it to the super bowl he would’ve had to face two dynasties in The 49ers and Cowboys.
Yep. No matter who he would have faced, it would never be his fault for the loss, because he was the greatest ever and would never lose had everything worked out perfectly for him. Instead, it's everyone else's fault.
favorite QB, good vid man
He didn't deserve to win one because his 420 career touchdowns encourage marijuana use
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marino never won a super bowl because he didn't motivate his team enough like tom brady does
@Curly Que oh no did you take that seriously? It's a running joke that brady wins because he motivates his team more than everyone else
@Curly Que Imagine Marino on the 49ers. Let’s not act like Joe Montana was the Brady of his era great system with Jerry Rice and had a top defense.
@@zy2141 he had Jerry Rice for 2 of his 4 super bowl wins.
@@zy2141 Exactly. Bill Walsh even said Joe Montana is a system QB and Dan Marino was the system. I met Bill Walsh in 1999 and asked him who was the better QB. He smiled and wouldn't answer the question. I said I take that as Marino and He just laughed. The people around Bill Walsh have said He was smitten with Marino and thought He was the best QB He ever saw.
That ability to rally absolutely matters lmao. Imagine downplaying the aspects of a good quarterback in favor of claiming 20 years of miscellaneous luck factors
Marino is my all time favorite athlete. Great work Barry. - your biggest fan
No super bowl rings, but beating the 85 bears with 38 points deserves a ring of its own
As a bears fan i agree
no
YAYYYY!
he's losser bro!😭😭
They would have beat the bears again if it wasnt for the patriots
Barry-what great analysis and great video overall. For me it comes down to the study done on Pro-Football-Reference by Chase Stuart concerning a QB's Value to his team in the playoffs. They also do that same study for the Regular Season. Marino is in the Top 10 QB's for Value in the Reg. Season.
Here is the problem-he is not even in the Top 100 IN THE PLAYOFFS. They determined that Dan gave his team a NEGATIVE VALUE in 10 playoff games and a Value in the single digits in 2 others. His overall Value was a terrible NEGATIVE 156.
Three of those Negative Value games were his 3 Championship Game losses -in '84 (S.B.), '85 (Conf. Champ.), and '92 (Conf. Champ.). Dan gave the Dolphins a Negative Value in 9 of his 10 playoff losses overall.
Here are other totals. Favre 302, Warner 422, Staubach 461, Aikman 527, Young 580, Elway 767, Bradshaw 903, and Montana 1,292. Again Marino was NEGATIVE 156. This study was done from '67 thru '06 so we do not have complete totals for Starr, Unitas, Brady, P.Manning, Brees, etc. etc.
Here are Marino's stats from his 3 Champ. Game LOSSES-he had 4 TD's but 6 INT's, and 2 fumbles, an avg Passer Rating of under 60, and he led his offense to an avg. of only 12 p.p.g. How can a team win championships when their QB is playing like that ??
I always blamed Shula and the front office for not building a running game. I remember when they finally got a great TE in Jackson, and how that seemed to rejuvenate him, but it was clear that the Bills were not going to be beaten.
Damn, thank you for another great video. Buddy of mine keeps telling me about Marino, but I brushed it off. Watching this made me gain so much more respect for Marino!
Damn, I feel like this one's gonna hurt
Keep the QB videos coming. Great content!
Great job again Barry
This is gonna hurt as a Dolphins fan scene
Joe Montana is basically the Brady of his era was winning with stacked teams while Marino made the Dolphins relevant.
Just hypothetically put Montana on these Dolphin's teams and Marino on those 49er teams, Montana wouldn't even sniff the super bowl.
@@krambone Back in those days the Dolphins were not great at drafting and also there was no free agency without compensation which compounded the issue. The 49ers drafted very well.
@@zy2141 Yeah, for example the 84 49ers, all the stars on that team that the Niners were built around were all drafted by San Fran. They were all very young at the time. The oldest of the big 49ers stars entered the league in 1979, Dwight Clark and Montana. Craig was in his 2nd year, Ronnie Lott came aboard in 1981. San Fran was hitting gold in their drafts at the time with talent they'd lean on for many years. Jerry Rice would join those ranks in 1985, also drafted by SF.
@@dash_r_media Montana never loss a superbowl.
tbf to basically every 70s and 80s QB (including Montana) is that when his team really needed him, the run game or the short pass wasn't quite working, they usually bossed up and If you are like those Steeler teams that won games with the run and the defense or the 9er teams that won with the short pass system and the defense, that's all they really needed, a clutch QB.
Brady on the other hands best super bowl performance and playoff performance as a whole is the one he lost against the eagles where he got out dueled by Nick Foles, second best playoffs AND superbowl statistically was probably the one he won against the eagles in 2004 where the patriots forced 4 turnovers in the super bowl.
Brady's best career accomplishment is being underpaid letting him teams spend more money on actually good players and being followed everywhere by human panic button gronk
As a Raiders fan I often wonder what would've happened if they drafted him. As they had a ferocious defense and Marcus Allen, this would've sidestepped the issues he had in Miami. Plus even in 83, Plunkett was inconsistent and benched due to that. Could you imagine if Marino stepped in? Very likely he never relenquishes the starting spot and we see a rookie Marino against Washington in SBXVII. Given the Raiders won with great defense, special teams and Marcus Allen, it's probable that Marino would've been the first starting rookie QB to win a SB and we'd be having a different conversation about him.
As a Pittsburgh Steelers fan passing on him haunts the franchise
From what I have read and seen, Dan Marino never really was patient enough to feature his running game and that is what cost them a lot of the time. He was depended on to the win the game with his arm. He just needed a running game to take the pressure off.
No, this is 100% false. What Marino was impatient about was trying to run the ball when the line was horrible and the backs were average to below average. He knew it wasn't going to work. There were plenty of games, especially in the 90s, when Miami had success running the ball and did it the entire game. I remember opening day in 1995, Miami vs Jets. Marino only threw the ball 20 times. They ran it for well over 200 yards.
He had accuracy, touch, AND a rocket for an arm. It's like of Peyton had an extra 20-40% zip on the ball with the same touch
HE DID IT BAYBYYYYY I LOVE YOU BARRY
The Dolphins front office passed on a lot of star players during his tenure there. They could’ve had players like Deion Sanders and Reggie White, but they didn’t give him a foundational team.
Great video Barry
Miami didn't build a good defense until Marino retired, Sam Madison, Patrick Surtain, Jason Taylor, Zach Thomas, Brock Marion, imagine if Marino would've had this defense in his prime
They had Joey Porter for a season too
Yeah, too bad JJ couldn't draft offense to save his life when he got to Miami.
My aunt went to HS with him in Pittsburgh and she said that he was very humble and most people didn't even know who he was unless you paid attention to Central Catholics football program.
Need a Elway one badly
Great video barold
Very good video and some very good points - especially the SB opponents in 83, 84, 85, 92 & 94. 93 would have been a chance if not for the injury as Cowboys were weaker in 93 (Dolphins even beat them on snowy thanksgiving without Marino). Note that in 86 and 87 the Dolphins were already eliminated from play offs prior to their final week loss to Patriots. Also for the 97 playoff loss it should be appreciated the Patriots had much of the Dolphins offensive playbook courtesy of the ex Dolphin Keith Byars who taught it to his new team mates. Final point - Dolphins conceded 2,110 yards in Marino’s 10 play off losses. An incredible average of 211 per game.
Can't finish the video without a last-second dig at Tom Brady
Bro these videos are great!
Great Video!!!! Dan was underrated and he was most of the team. They should hand built better teams around him.
The most beautiful release of the football I’ve ever seen. No quarterback has come close when it comes to how perfect his throwing motion was.
I'm surprised you didn't mention that the 1988 dolphins set the NFL record for fewest sacks allowed in a 16 game season, with only 7 sacks allowed
That was all on Marino, not because the line was actually good
Okay, a few things. First, he wasn't healthy for the 1983 Divisional Playoff game against the Seahawks. He sprained his knee in the second to the last game at the Oilers, and missed the final game against the Jets. Shula was thinking about starting Don Strock for the playoffs but Strock hurt his ribs against the Jets and was in even worse shape than Marino for the playoff game. Second, in 1988, Marino was named second team All-Pro despite the Dolphins 6-10 record. That is quite an accomplishment. Lastly, in the Jimmy Johnson years (1996-1999), Jimmy INSISTED on trying to establish his TERRIBLE running game, which lead to Marino facing 3rd and long situations throughout the entire season. It is a true testament to Marino's greatness that he was able to get three out of four of those Dolphins teams to the playoffs.
JJ was threatened by Marino's alpha status and knew as long as he (Marino) was around JJ would never be seen by DolFans as The Man. He did everything he could to sabotage Marino, both intentionally and subconsciously. The horrible offensive drafting, including passing up Randy Moss to take John Avery in '98. The insistence on running the ball when the JJ Era Fins have 3 of the 4 lowest yards per carry averages in team history. Taking away audibles in '99. It was even worse than what Brian Flores did to Tua! MUCH worse.
@@DolFan316 Totally agree.
As a Fins fan living in new england, i still feel the sting of that 1985 playoff loss
Imagine the Bears three peating 1984-1986 if the Bears had drafted Marino instead of Willie Gault with their 18th pick in the 1983 draft.
The Bears had Jim McMahon FFS. Why would they need Marino?
@@ericcrane4871he was mid
@@Recurses The Bears were going back to back if it wasn't for a moron on the Packers ending his season in 1986. Why would they have needed Marino?
29 Minute video to set up a Tom Brady roast, I approve
His 84' season is the best season of all time, hands down! Don't sell it short....
@@agentorange1156 Who were the hall of fame WR's Marino was throwing too? Also it was a different time, the defense was aloud to actually play defense.
No, it's not. Staubach 71 was way better.
Let's not act like this was the pre Mel Blount rule NFL
@@aaronrider4051 15 tds and 1880 yards passing...ok...
@@jacoblee5796 @jacoblee5796 listen up, sassy little lady. Staubach 71, which was not the whole season because Landry didn't start him at first, was 15 TD, 4 INT, 1800 yards, and a 104 passer rating. Undefeated in 13 games. A 104 passer rating, in 1971, is INSANE. Unadjusted, that would put Staubach in the top five even today. It's better than every top rating in 2000-06 except 04. It's only four off Marino 84. And he did it in the peak of the dead ball era when passing games were primitive, and DBs were way more liberal with PI than they were after the Mel Blount rule. Mathematically adjusted for era, it's among the best seasons ever. And make no mistake, unlike Marino, Staubach could run. Among runners with 40 carries, even including sacks, Staubach ran for an average of over 8 yards in 1971. With a 104 passer rating.
Yeah, let's see Marino try that.
Big Ups, Champ... More.💯
No defense that’s why football is the ultimate team game Defense wins championships
Marino is the reverse Brady, except Dan is actually talented
Exactly, cuz Brady isn’t
@James Windows would you say Jim Plunkett is better than Dan Marino? He really wasn't good (he threw 34 more interceptions than touchdowns in his career), but you can't deny what he did by giving the Raiders two rings in 4 seasons.
@@DeafeningCha Plunkett had "it" and some qb's don't have "it". I won't name any names.
Just like Elway he needed a run game to share the load to finally win a SB. Some of that is in Shula too. As much as I loved him he focused too much on utilizing Marinos arm and moving away from building a defense and run game like he had done in the past
My takeaway from this is that Patrick Mahomes should be very grateful that he got his ring because his career trajectory is looking a lot like Marino's right now
DARN YOU JIMMY GGGGGGG. Swap Jimmy into the 1984 49ers squad and Montana to the 2020 49ers squad and Marino ends up with a ring while Mahomes doesn't.
He got 2 now
Nope. This didn't age well at all. He's got 2 now. He's having a strange season, but before it's all over for him he'll have 4 rings.
Correct.
ALL of this.
Correct.
That release is second to known. My goodness
well analyzed, Barry: merci. just it seems TB12 might be more blessed in mental strenght, thus I ´d agree Dan is more talented as a passer and much more loving the game of football. Dan is brother in spirit of Toni Schumacher - legendary goalie of german soccer...
Let me save you 30min
Dan Marino never won a super bowl because he played for the Miami dolphins. You're welcome.
Just imagine if the dolphins didn’t pass on Emitt Smith in the 1990 draft...
I'm scared Josh Allen will be Marino 2.0 once he retires. All the stats but nothing to show for it.
Or the next Jim Kelly.
Because of the 72 Dolphins season they aren’t allowed to win another one. The universe simply won’t allow a third Dolphins Super Bowl, I’m surprised it allowed a second tbh.
so my big takeaway from this is Marino carried a bad defense for most of his career, had to play a historically great bills team twice a year for half of his career, and even if he made the suberbowl he would have to contend with either the 49ers or cowboys. Football truly is a team sport, no matter how much talent one position player has, he needs a team around him to win it all.
Drew is Marino if it wasn’t for the 2009 super bowl
Same with Aaron Rodgers if it wasn't for 2010 super bowl, lol
More like Dan Fouts.
The Barry Sanders of quarterbacks
This is overall a very good video but there is some further context that you should probably be aware of.
First, Marino played the 1983 game against the Seahawks injured, which obviously effected his play.
Second, you point out the poor performance of the Dolphins offense at the end of his career, but there is a lot of stuff that happened which caused this. When Jimmy Johnson took over he insisted on "establishing the run", and he did so despite the fact Miami didn't have the personnel to do so. So the play calling suffered, because they were running the ball when they didn't have the ability to do so. That's why Marino and Johnson clashed - if you want to win games, and you don't have the right players to rush the ball, you have to throw it. Marino was 100% right, as a casual look at the rushing YPC during those seasons proves.
Another thing Johnson did was he took away Marino's ability to audible out of plays at the line of scrimmage. Marino was historically extremely good at making pre-snap reads and audibling into productive plays, usually pass plays which took advantage of something he saw in the defense. So of course Marino's passing efficiency gradually declined under Johnson. In fact, that famous pass to Oronde Gadsden against the Colts in Indianapolis was a clandestine audible on Marino's part which he was technically restricted from calling. It was 4th down and Johnson had called a play where Gadsden was to run a short route. In the huddle Marino looked right at Gadsden and said to run a go pattern and he'll throw it to him. Gadsden made the right choice and ran the go.
Another thing, under Johnson, Marino didn't have any good receivers. The best of the lot was OJ McDuffie. Who? Exactly. I guess you could say Tony Martin in 1999 was an OK receiver, but he was well past his prime and by the next year was clearly washed up. In fairness to Johnson, Yatil Green, a 1997 1st round WR draft pick, pretty much had his career ended by injury the instant he came into the league. But the prospect of his possible return was a factor in the organization not putting much effort into acquiring a top tier WR.
The point I'm making is those late Marino-era Dolphins teams that actually had effective defenses were poor on offense DESPITE Marino based on factors outside of his control.
Oh, and regarding his final season and those shitty numbers, keep in mind he was dealing with a weird shoulder nerve injury that he came back too soon from. His first game post-injury was a Thanksgiving match against the Cowboys where he clearly wasn't healthy yet and threw 5 interceptions. But still, he was definitely past his prime and made the right decision in retiring after the 1999 season ended - his body had worn out over the years (QBs weren't protected nearly as much through most of Marino's career as they are now).
I despise JJ to this day because of what he did to Marino out of sheer spite 🤬
His youtube channel is his best content
Dan the greatest
Probably the only qb who’s career was wasted worse than Aaron Rodgers
Very good video, but I think you forgot one very important variable: the offensive line. Marino consistently had one of the worst lines in the league until 1990, when they drafted Richmond Webb the LT. He greatly helped with pass pro, but was not a very good run blocker. The reason Miami could never run the ball was because of the line. They spent countless high draft picks on running backs, because as you correctly pointed out, having a strong running game was very important in that era. In fact, no team won a championship without a great running game. There were, however, several teams that won championships without a great QB.
How do you rate Dan Fouts on the QB pantheon?
When the greatest sack avoider of all time (even to this day with a hyper-refined short passing game and rule changes) is getting sacked 4 times in a playoff game you know something is wrong with the team. And I had no idea about all the fumbles. Good lord was he unlucky.
only if dan marino had barry sanders...
I know Dan. He once came to a family party and bragged that he could beat my grandmother in a 40-yard sprint. Nona beat him by ten yards.
Marino throws nothing but darts, wow
impressive right?
I just found out the Dolphins did have David Overstreet until 1984. A solid all-around back that would have helped him in the future. He's coming back a subpar rookie season, but if used properly, and he had Don Shula, so I think he would have, he could be good. But this is Dan Marino, so of course Overstreet passed away in a car crash during his sophomore season at the young age of 25. Poor Marino.
Poor Marino?? I think maybe Overstreet came off worse in that one
Until his season which was shortened by injury, he NEVER had a 1,000+ yard Running Back behind him. More than 1 player is needed to win games. Go Chargers!
Had he stayed a bit and waited for Ricky Williams or signed that Vikings deal with moss omg missed opportunities
It's Peculiar how similar his career is to Matt Ryan's
I’m gonna cry scene
3:10
49ers DE Fred Dean was also a HOFer.
In my opinion. Dan threw a nice football, but it takes more than passing stats to be an elite quarterback.
yep, winston, dak watson all had season top passer yards, some just come up short in other areas i guess
Dan Marino greatest QB of all time
goat of losser haha!😭
Coming back to this video for Josh Allen
Having spent my early years watching Marino's final 7 or 8 seasons, to watching the Brown-like QB carousel has been rough! The best chance Miami had to get another great qb, was when they could have had Drew Brees. But, passed on him for Daunte Caulpepper. Just a huge, what if. Unfortunately, like many other decisions the Dolphins have made over the years, it was the wrong one.
I don't know why Dolphins fans always talks about Drew Brees. Yea we could've had him yet no one ever talks about us getting Aaron Rodgers in the 06 draft yet we got Ronnie Brown that didn't even play 5 seasons for the Dolphins. I would've rather had Rodgers than Brees
@@BeholdtheTruthBrandon I'd take either over what The Dolphins had.
@@PatrickEtheridge1983 same here just don't understand why Dolphins fans never talk about getting picking Ronnie Brown over Rodgers like they are so blinded on what Ronnie Brown did to the patriots with the wild cat
They actually passed over Brees twice. Could've drafted him in '01 but chose CB Jamar Fletcher instead when they already had the league's top rated pass D and Jay Fiedler at QB.