Third way: Acheron’s plan. “The one blessed by the sleeping and shapeless is considering how to kill THEM? That’s truly… pure Nihility” -Tiernan To Acheron
the Ursupation theory was with 2.2 confirmed. because Sunday in the was nearly becoming an aeon in his 3rd phase here the story quote "Using the Harmonious Choir as a foundation, the power of Order and Harmony intertwine to form the shell of an egg, within which the newborn god slumbers. The metaphysical embryo mumbles the olden dreams of childhood as the fetal movement of Paths throbs in the long night, futilely resisting the rising dawn." Another thing I want to bring up is that I think the beliefs of a pre-ascended mortal also shape the Aeon itself. LAN's eternal hunt of Yaoshi isn't directly a core principle of the Hunt itself it is something that LAN the mortal had decided. So it is probably very much possible to usurp an AEON with the intention to redirect the path at least to another interpretation of its core principle
@@Valadion1 kafka said 3 known ways mean that the 3 ways is already happen. The usurp theory how mortal slain aeon didn't happen yet (the fight with sunday didn't happen yet and lan also didn't kill yaoshi yet).
I think the 3rd way an Eon can die is when they stray away from their path. Maybe that is what happened with Akivili and Idrilla, and why nobody noticed when and how they vanished.
One way I think was mentioned (or at least implied) is that if you could convince an Aeon to reconsider their path or trick them into violating its tenets, the Aeon would cease to exist. That might be the hardest option of all, though.
Every "solution" basically boils down to the same thing, push an Aeon off their path, whether you hit them hard enough, eat them, erase them, or sat down and had a very convincing debate, it's the same thing.
@@GuyWithAnAmazingHat imagine if hsr ending were the tb sitting down and giving a 2h lecture so nanook the destruction dont fuck everything up and he just ceases to exist mid talk LMFAO
In terms of the TB vs Nanook situation, and this might be stretch, but what if the plan for the TB is to help them achieve Aeonhood in order to rival and potentially engulf Nanook and the path of destruction. The only known path that could absorb destruction, is finality. imagine if the story is a predestined time loop where Elio guides TB into becoming the Aeon of Finality who gave past Elio the instructions in the first place, in order to overcome Nanook. (thinking this up hurt my head) another thing that made sense to me is, the trailblaze seems like it’s a finite path, it has an end. and when it ends, it reaches finality.
@@cyntheziser If Terminus keeps traveling backwards in time, then when did THEY ascend ? It has to be somewhere in the undetermined future despite being a recognized Aeon in current times. If there must be an end to everything then Finality is a predetermined path that must exist... so it's possible that the Aeon of Finality simply exists as a hazy possibility that hasn't fully taken an identity and form for the time being. Echoes of a yet-to-be future. Who is the Aeon of Finality hasn't been fully determined, only that there must be an Aeon of Finality. Or maybe who THEY are has already been set, and Terminus is just TB going backwards to influence events and ensure that they do become Terminus... or get themselves to pick a different sort of resolution.
@@2sword If mihoyo does that tineloop bs Ill sue And isn't the point of the Trailblazer is to delay finality? Trailblazer's first confrontation with Nanook (which is of Aeonic propotions Kafka herself said we'll never be able to reach and that she didn't bring humans into the picture and they don't want to kill an Aeon) is said to be the end but if everything goes right there will be an aftermath
@@ManiyaVinasi'll sue too lol. mihoyo is REALLY fond and at this point kinda overdone with the timeloop. GGZ used timeloop as the whole basis of its canon stories, HI3 is a world stuck in a time loop put by an alien entity called finality (here as "time" not as "the end"). GI with its stupid "cycles of life" which is basically just a time loop. now HSR is hinting at a time loop.
@@ManiyaVinas It's like what Acheron said to Adventurine; the end comes anyway but you get to choose what you do and how you live until you get there. What we do before the confrontation with Nanook might just not be about winning or losing against Nanook but about what kind of person the Trailblazer will be after it(or what kind of Aeon Nanook might be after it). The end of one story is the beginning of a new one. The train is going to reach its terminus eventually. Doesn't necessarily mean that where the story ends is the same place as where the universe ends, though. We might not see the birth of Terminus in-story, but we might be instrumental in a better Terminus existing. Nobody complains if we have to fight world ending/universe ending threats every time in these games nor if there are themes of fighting a very real destiny, but somehow having the perfect set up for both pre-determined fates(eternal recurrence) and a meta-narrative about endings(finality) in a franchise telling stories about both is a problem. We know what it's about and where it's going but what matters is what we do and what we experience within the context before the narrative closes its doors on us.
I have a tinfoil theory for the longest time now: I think the MC is Akivili themselves, the Trailblaze, in the process of rebirth. Kafka said that we are going to eventually fight Nanook, and said there are 3 ways to kill an Aeon: being killed by another Aeon, being ABSORBED by another Aeon, and a 3rd undisclosed way, which I think is the Aeon themselves straying from their paths. If that is indeed the 3rd way, I would imagine we "kill" Nanook by convincing them to give up the path of Destruction. And, seriously, what a BORING end to HSR would that be, if we defeat Nanook by "speak no jutsu". So I think the other 2 are the way: have Nanook be either killed or absorbed by another Aeon. Since Kafka said the MC SPECIFICALLY is going to fight Nanook, and the two "not boring" ways to kill an Aeon REQUIRE another Aeon, that means the MC is either going to ascend to Aeonhood, or are already an Aeon. Ascending as an Aeon of a new Path seems... unlikely, since we are already walking the path of Trailblaze, so I think we're already the Aeon of The Trailblaze, Akivili. There are a few hints to the MC being Akivili: 1- We know Akivili "died", but as we know from lore, "death" seems to be somewhat "flexible" for Aeons, since the Knights of Beauty keep looking to revive Idrila, and the Swarm keeps trying to revive Tayzzynronth. This idea is also pushed by the new 2.2 quest, with Sunday trying (and almost succeeding) to revive Ena, The Order. 2- Herta makes us roleplay as "Akivili" in the SU, saying we are particularly "compatible" with the role. Suspicious. 3- From SU lore (which most people ignore BUT I DONT!!!) we know Akivili liked to roleplay as mortals, and while roleplaying THEY pretty much ARE the character, even forgetting THEY'RE an Aeon, and THEIR mortal avatars die mortal deaths pretty often. Who is to say the "Galactic Baseballer" is not another one of Akivili's roles? 4- We drew the gaze of 3 (THREE) different Aeons in the span of, what, a few months? This is freaking UNHEARD OF in HSR lore! There is no precedent! The MC has to be different from other mortals to even do such a thing. And no, I don't think its the Stellaron. 5- Also from the SU, we learn that Aha, The Elation, is pretty fond of Akivili, following them around and asking them to try their new toys all the time. The two of them seemingly had the closest thing to "friendship" two Aeons could have, and even the Masked Fools and Nameless are helping each other frequently. And, well, guess which faction has most appearances in quests, and where the most helpful? Thats right, the Masked Fools. Sampo helps us in Belobog, Giovanni again helps us in an event, and now Sparkle helps us in Penacony. 6- Also about Aha, it is pretty much confirmed they are following us closely since the start of the game. I have another tinfoil theory that the crazy dialogs we see, for example, in garbage cans in Belobog, is in fact Aha talking to us. The voice refers to the MC as "you" instead of "I", meaning its someone else talking to us, instead of our own inner monologue. Also in the Phantylia boss fight, we can hear Aha laughing, so they also followed us to the Luofu too. And now in Penacony, if you open page 17 of the picture book, the dialog says "We have known each other for quite a while now, do you know who I am?", pretty much breaking the 4th wall. Who do we know can break the 4th wall? Aha themselves, and Sampo, a follower of Aha. TLDR: The MC themselves ARE Akivili. The fact we drew the gaze of 3 different Aeons already, and that Aha and their Masked Fools are following the Trailblazer so closely are hints to that. And we'll have the power to defeat Nanook once we fully awaken our Aeonhood.
I think akivilli is dead and there can never be another aeon for the trailblaze, because trailblazing is all about making your own choices and follow your own path, where the other paths follow the aeon somewhat
Keep cooking bro this smells delicious, also I've started to think the same thing after 2.2 quest like if Sunday can incarnate the essence of a dead Aeon's path to the point that he got enough power to reach emanator status what stops one from reaching Aeon-hood ? Especially since the Stellaron hunters want the mc to gather as many allies as possible before facing Nanook, the Stellaron may actually be a way to better build up whatever source of power is necessary to be granted aeon status of the trailblaze. Anyhow can't wait for our tinfoil theory to be proven right !
@@sorawastaken it is highly likely that akivili is dead, but it is not entirely true that 'there can never be another aeon for the trailblaze'. Who's to say that there won't be another being that thinks and live the same as akivili? What is the point of Aeons who assign emanators if they don't think they follow their path's ideal essence?
I have a theory that Stelleron are created when Nanook destroys something and the trailblazer Stelleron is created from Akivilis Destruction. It's random and no proof , just a personal theory
Maybe that's what happened with Long the Permanence. I thought they were searching for the meaning of Life, and once they found it, Long was presumed dead.
It might be the last one considering how Long died after they found their answer Seeing it from another angle could be they died because they found the answer they're looking for
@@ManiyaVinas himeko and welt say it if you ask them aboard the express. its called "primus mobile," and if the aeon strays from the philosophies of their path, they'll die.
@@setuser777No they dont say an aeon will die if they act outside of their primum mobile. They say an aeon *cant* act outside of their primum mobile. Huge difference.
I agree on you take on aeons dissapearing after either fulfilling their purpose or just "vanishing" if not enough imaginary energy can sustain them. I always wondered about the aeon of finality and the end of the universe. First of all, the fact that Terminus could even be created under those conditions (the end of everything) means that the only "ideal" left is the end as such. I'd love if MiHoyo shed some light about the specifics of the original end of everything (the galactic Bseballer can change fate so we cant say its the same end anymore), but i wonder if that would take away some of the magic of it.
I think imaginary tree is a cyclic universe. Terminus living backwards in time meaning end of the universe is the start of the universe and IX and Aha finding universe meaningless checks this out.
Some of the comments read like as if they have never reread kafka's dialogue regarding the future implies to me that the first encounter with Nanook doesn't have to be the last if the script is followed. It doesn’t even sound like that we will be able to do any harm to them
3:38 I thought the third method was mentioned at some point… Why do I recall it having something to do with straying from the path. I even recall someone calling the paths as cages. But don’t trust me, my power of recollection is not forte, I’m more a feelings person.
actually few of your theory/question can be answer with honkaiverse lore(ggz, hi3 and hsr, mainly ggz lore for this time), assume you think honkaiverse lore in general can be apply to hsr so take it how you will. Before i start answer base on my subjective knowledge of honkaiverse and ggz lore, let me clarify some term i gonna be using: - aeon = god in honkaiverse lore - path = authority - the TRUTH: this is a special knowledges of universe law and principle that is near incomprehensible to normal mortal All the below will be speaking from honkaiverse lore perspective and not hsr lore 1. god kill god: a) Physically kill a god: this is possible but extremely difficult due to a god is tie to their authority, as long as their authority exist, the god will live, survive or resurrect. The more easy way to kill a god physically is to sever/cut/disconnect/weaken their tie to their authority, which would allow you to kill them physically. Another rare case is a god so strong that they was able to destroy both the god and that god authority at the same time. b) Assimilation: A god authority can expand their concept so a god can assimilated another god authority and in result also absorb that god as well. Assimilated authority will now be a part of the authority that assimilate it but it will still exist. Whether the god getting absorb still survive within the other god or not is depend but usually they don't c) Cannibalize: similar to assimilation but this method will destroy the eaten authority completely and become nutrient for the authority eating it, which help the god and the authority grow stronger and expand more. d) Suicide: a god can actually just kill themselves and self destruct, which not easy to do but possible 2. Mortal kill god: While possible but it is even more difficult than if you just try to become god then kill another god a) Dethrone: a person connection and ability to draw power from an authority depend on their understanding of authority TRUTH, which also apply to the god as well, The god have complete understanding of their authority TRUTH is why they able to become god in the first place, if a mortal can somehow reach a deeper understanding of the TRUTH than the god themselves, that mortal can effectively replace the god completely b) Destroy the god true body/core: When a god ascend to godhood, they usually leave behind their physical body and their god body manifest into another higher dimension. IF mortal is able to reach the god real body/core which also contain the connection with their authority and with strong enough weapon/power/method then they can kill that god => The reason why mortal killing god is so hard is that on method 1 you r more likely to branch off into a different authority to the god you trying to replace or the god notice you before you were able reach the highest enlightenment of the TRUTH and kill you before that happen. On 2nd method if the god didn't kill you for trying to do that, the resource + the amount of brain power needed and power different between you and the god is so massive and you basically needed multiple miracles to happen to even get to god true body let alone killing them, you just better off become a god yourself and it would be easier. 3. Another possibility is that If the universe where the god are from is completely destroy, the god will likely be kill along with it, due to their authority is link to that universe (imagine a similar case to the infinity stone in mcu only work in their respective universe). And i don't mean everything in the universe is wipe type of destroy the universe, i mean the universe itself is completely destroy. A way to avoid this for the god is either they somehow migrate their authority to a difference universe before it happen or they ascend to higher level, yes there is even higher level than god in ggz/honkaiverse lore, which don't tie them down to single universe anymore. Honkaiverse/ggz lore actually have a clear detail on how one ascend to godhood, which from what i understand so far in hsr, which should be basically almost the same with just difference name 4. This part will be my opinion for discussion: - An aeon can die if their path is proven incorrect, while i think this is possible on paper/theory but it would be impossible to do in reality. A path is collection of principle and philosophy but it also a collection of fundamental principle and law of universe, base on honkaiverse lore, it basically the TRUTH of the universe, trying to prove something true as false is kinda impossible - Making all sentience life in universe to change their understanding of a concept to destroy an aeon existence due to their path got change is not possible imo. While aeon is tie to their path but their path doesn't necessary tie to what people in universe think of it. Like what i said above, a path is basically a TRUTH of the universe, it will be a truth whether you believe it or not, like gravity will still be gravity whether you call it difference name or if newton never exist, gravity still exist. - I feel like you kinda only have a very surface understanding of the path, only taking them at their face value from their name only. Each path is much deeper than what their name suggestion, i would argue that many path name is kinda misleading if we don't understanding it true meaning. This is same case with authority in ggz and herrscher authority in hi3(herrscher authority is weaker and more limited version of a god authority in the context of honkaiverse lore)
@@Giovansbilly genshin is part of hoyoverse but not honkaiverse, at least from all the current info we have. yes ik about that 1 scene where Dvalin showing up on Otto monitor but we don't know the detail of it, imo it likely he was observing other universe within the imaginary tree(aka hoyoverse), which is something he have been confirm to done before, like how we human can see distant galaxy just from earth, there is nothing said Otto can't observe different far away universe from his place
@@setuser777 that what i meant in 2b "leave behind their physical body", physical body here mean their mortal body but god in ggz need something as anchor so they don't just disappear completely in their ascension coz they would just ascend forever so that why they have a true body or core in a different higher dimension than ours, which contain their existence and their connection to their authority and serve as an anchor. This is a bit more easy to understand if you know the detail on how to ascension to godhood, which is kinda long so i didn't explain it here. tbh if you understand ggz process of ascension to godhood, you would be completely impress by Nous ascension, Nous ascension to aeonhood could only be describe as miracle on top of multiple miracles in context of honkaiverse lore.
IX isn't actually a black hole, its literal nothingness. Herta just used a black hole as a placeholder. But ye you can't really delete nothing as well.
@@hxcks7393you can’t delete the concept nothingless But you can delete the represent of it Ix still exist , as long as a thing exist, you can delete it
@@hxcks7393 You can't kill nothingness because nothingness doesn't exist. Black hole is a non-physical object. It's a hole in space-time. Black Hole is nothingness, it changes different things into same thing that disappears in it. It has only mass, charge, and angular momentum, it doesn't have surface, there's no physical body for a black hole/
@@hxcks7393 Literally IX is called "All-Consuming Black Hole" in the game, also "Black Sun" and "The Sleeping and Shapeless". Black hole is nothingess. It's a hole in space time. It doesn't have surface. It has only mass, angular momentum and charge. It can only merge with other black holes and grow. The only way to delete black hole is hawking radiation. Cutting a black hole from any new food for ammount of time so absurd, that infinity is a good name for it. Black Hole can only "vaporize" extremely small over. Black hole with a mass of a few Suns would need 10^100 years (10 with 100 zeros) to evaporate. As an Aeon of Nihility, IX must be a biggest black hole possible.
IX is not a black hole. All black hole lines used for it is metaphorical. Like how amber lord is used for qlipoth and how eternal centurion is used for xipe. IX is literal nothingness. The void itself. Black holes are objects that exist.
I think the last theory you proposed is definitely possible in theory, but too ridiculous in practice to actually consider. I've held the belief that the third method hinted by Kafka is the second-to-last you mentioned in this video, when an Aeon has reached the end of their Path. I have the crazy theory that Elio is actually Akivili, who at some point gained the ability to see the future, thus rendering pointless any further exploration of the universe (effectively negating his connection to the Path of Trailblaze, becoming just a simple human afterwards).
I think that some Paths are destined to exist forever. Think about it like this: without Nanook there won't be balance in the universe and probably most of the paths won't even exist. It is a continuous cycle of balance between some paths; i do agree however that some paths are lesser than others just like any idealistic concept and are also prone to "change". As for the 3rd part on how to "kill" an Aeon, my take is that a powerful enough Emanator of that path can become a challenge for their Aeon. Don't want to spoil too much but Acheron's plan is "to reach Nihility's end" and i'm pretty sure she's powerful enough to stand a chance at defeating IX. If mortals can ascend to aeonhood the reverse can also be possible. EDIT: the only one who can kill any aeon easily... is.... Da Wei. xD
@@snowbiscuits5788 it's not about Nanook, my bad. The point is, without destruction, there is no "balance", so most of the other paths would probably never existed.
You forgot to mention the death of The Propagation due to the union of Qlipoth, HooH, Aha, Akivili and Xipe and The Voracity (who ate what was left of Tayzzyronth's body)
As for the 'disappearing' Aeons, I've heard a theory that Akivili may have become Nanook, after something caused THEIR goal of Trailblazing and exploring warped somehow. Idrila, though, may have shattered into a million pieces because the concept of 'beauty' is too subjective with too many myriad definitions for there to be one exemplar of.
@@ManiyaVinas Did he? I was under the impression from Simulated Universe that the two aeons had never actually been active at the same time. Likewise, Nanook's first action when meeting 'Akivili' (the TB in disguise) in Sim-U is to explode them. Like he knew he shouldn't be there, or otherwise didn't have a history with the other aeon.
I have a feeling Elio (maybe an Aeon) has a script but maybe in the later arc the MC will break that script he thinks it is final and further lose his purpose and free him for the finality of the script.
This is putting my thoughts down without all the little details, but I think a lot about Elation/Aha having the possibility to ‘kill’ Nihility/IX. Elation takes the same conclusion and message of ‘Nothing matters’, but allows that concept to thrive rather than fade out of existence. Nihility says ‘Nothing matters, so I may as well fade away’, whereas Elation says ‘Nothing matters, so I find ‘meaning’ through simply enjoying life’. The active force of Elation could surely outshine the passive force of Nihility, I just don’t know to what extent it would have on IX’s existence as a being. (If anyone here has played through FFXIV Endwalker, think of it as Zenos vs Meteion in ideology)
So we either need to destroy the universe to fulfill Nanook's wish and restart it using Fuli's remembrance, but it probably already happened and Nannook just came back as a part of the memories. Or we need to weaken it enough to allow Lan to replace him by fusing the path, because I can definitely see a way for the Hunt (destruction of specific targets) to replace the Destruction.
In my opinion, another way aeons could be killed could be through degradation of their beliefs. If the cancer of all worlds stops spreading, and the trailblazer (walking stellaron) starts helping and restoring worlds, would that make Nanook doubt of his ability to destroy? Himeko said that Aeons follow the ideas of their path and are incapable of doing anything else. What if that's not a step in the creation of an aeon but a direct requirement, making any aeon that doubts their power to stop being one.
My idea on the third way is to destroy the path itself, like if you destroyed the idea of destruction then what IS nanook? too cut off their truth it too break them as a whole tbh.
@@tripedal2063 he can kill darkseid a literal platonic archetype whos just by falling threatened the infinite multiverse And he can also kill barbatos a literal cosmic entity But superman wouldnt kill an aeon just defeat them since superman doesnt kill even if its a literal being that is the concept of evil
I think in the end of the story MC will ascend to becoma an aeon but not for an existing path. Maybe after collecting numerous aeons powers we will become an aeon of aeons.
If HSR is going to put in a lot of Gnostic mythology into the game, I wonder if the ultimate goal of the Hunters is to make the MC the Monad. If I remember correctly in Gnositism, Aeons come from the Monad and the Monad is within all of them. So if a higher being could exist, then what would it be able to do that an Aeon can't do? My only guess right now is that maybe they'd gain the authority to remove an Aeon's divinity and if this being has the abilities of all the paths then that means a new Aeon of destruction probably wouldn't be born after (or at least not last for very long). It would be pretty interesting if this is the route HSR goes down, because not only would Nanook cease to exist but the other Aeons might also lose their purpose since now there's a higher god. Maybe they would be allowed to stick around, as long as they don't cause trouble like Nanook? Funny enough this might also solve any problems other Aeons have caused like Yaoshi's gift of immortality.
The third way to kill an Aeon probably has to do something with stelaron. Its hinted in the same cutscene where before telling us the third way to kill an aeon she looks on the side and stellaron activates making the tree grow again.
I always have a nagging feeling that nanook is akivili cause the one that had always deal with stellaron are the trailblazers. What if it secretly corrupt akivili? And since MC can branch to many other path cause of stellaron and trailblazing path is insane. Think about it if you go trailblazing in real life you discover many path other had created or create it one yourself. Shit i need to be more articulate but you guys know what i mean sorry english isnt my 1st languege
Nanook is a human ascend in the last stage of the war with tazzyroth Akivili exist before that So the only way your theory can be right is if an aeon can be degenaration become their mortal form again
I feel like the third way would be make them descend into a weaker form? I feel like it somehow happened with Long, since They have descendants called "scions" Dan Heng is a Scion Trailblazer could be related to Akivili March 7th is Idrila theory is also a thing
Just a random thought I'm gonna leave here: TB might just end up becoming the aeon of Humanity by the end of their journey. What that entails? Idk. But this could also lead to aeon!TB challenging the principles behind paths and aeons alike. Mayhap, that's what Elio sees. Just a thought. 👾
I wouldn't completely discard the possibility that an aeon could change or be made to change I'm of the opinion that a big enough event could be able to change the mind of an aeon (or the path itself) making the aeon itself change I think this is what happened to Oroboros, the swarm disaster event made it change in to IX
@@HeppelhopV5 we only know that oroboros was no longer around After the swarm disaster My theory Is that After that he became IX This Is mostly based on the fact that they are both described as sentients black holes
In fact your theory is not bad I mean Acheron proves that you can access immense power within a path just by yourself + if your align with it > like she totally embrace the nihility. Tho she want to cut off nihility and IX so don’t know what will happen for now.
I wonder what elio see that make him guide us to kill Nanook, isn't killing Nanook means disturbing the equilibrium that HooH keep? So we fought Hooh next?
well their is also a banishment method, where they can trap him on a pseudo universe detach from the main universe. weakening his power as he was far from the said universe he was in or rather. the source of his power which a pure speculation but entirely possible but only a small percentage or rather not even 1%. like how welt doesn't had that much honkai energy because he was far from the source of it.
@@puppd7428 yes, and one way or another we will eventually get honkai cause. a honkai without a honkai is not a honkai🤣🤣🤣 and since for all we know honkai energy can even travel to the imaginary tree itself. assuming the what "if" imagine nanook was posses by honkai will when he was weakened and become far more greater threat. urging welt to use the "reason" since the honkai is sipping in
Regarding the brainwash theory. Could it be possible to take it a step further and just kill every follower of a path to destroy it? it would be a monumental task but i believe quite potent when its about weakening/ending an aeon.
I'd like to ask a few more questions, guess someone can answer 'em all. How aeons are ascended to aeonhood, we know Nanook was a human being and ascended to aeonhood? If along strong will is enough to be an aeon then where did these emanators come from, don't they have strong enough will to draw power from the path? I heard somewhere, Aha, once laughed so hard that the entire universe witnessed the rise of an aeon, this is silly and weird, I suppose they were once human or any other higher being. Does that mean there's a hierarchy? And finally, if emanators are closest to their respective aeons, don't they have a higher chance to ascend to aeonhood, if so, then what if there is an already existing aeon? Can there be more than one aeons, I mean, in HSR universe there are millions of galaxies and it's impossible to believe there can't be more than one person who can rival the will of a path to ascend to aeonhood. In my opinion, HSR world building is really complicated and inconsistent.
We don’t know exactly how to ascend to aeon We can guess few condittion like energy, will, the explode of emotion but it could be not all the condittion You can’t ascend to become aeon while a aeon already exist The godhood only have 1 posittion , if you want to become aeon of a path while that path already have aeon, you must to take dowm that aeon first
If i remenber Correctly nanook ascended after his world was destroyed by the propagation,to become a aeon you need to Become This concept completely is not Just a strong Will
@@rickelmehanwinckel2699 *4. 5 if you count the hammer too. If we consider the distances involved Qlipoth is probably the biggest aeon there is in terms of size.
I guess that his Nihility path in the game is a convention of a playable character. Cuz Black Swan is also Nihility path in the game while in the lore she's a Memokeeper - a Remembrance pathstrider
You could argue him leaving his world and entire legacy behind just to become a coordinator that likes animation as a nihilistic move. Nihilism as a concept rejects the importance of human existance, and erasing your legacy could very well be it.
You just say what I did emanator can kill its own AEON AND become it because I wanted what was meant to be mine I want what was promised to me to be beautiful AGAIN AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA I AM ALICE ANGEL HAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH don't you understand with him I can be be perfect you don't know what it's like to drown away in a pateau of darkness into Abyss even more Darkness till you fell from yourself from your body even and become something un perfect BUT I will be perfect once I have him
Crazy how bro was right about his cope Ena theory
IKR ?? The whole time they were alluding to Ena until they made it clear it was them I was like "no fucking way that one theory is real omfg"
Its not cope when its so in your face.
Put into dreams? Absorbed by Harmony?
He literally said that he thought his theory was dumb
what theory about Ena?
Quite Ironic that the Aeon of Permanence was the first one to bite the dust among all the known Aeons
How he died?
@@oussamaalaoui9121 No one knows, not even an input in the data bank. Its disapperance is the most mysterious so Long was presumed "dead".
Long's definition may not even be the literal meaning of Permanence. I hope we actually know how THEY ended up.
@@idontspeakjapanese6289 Didn't he off himself?
Long became the Vidyhara ppl ( theorised in the Long video )
There is also possibility that Elio only told Kafka about 3 way to kill Aeon.
Third way: Acheron’s plan.
“The one blessed by the sleeping and shapeless is considering how to kill THEM? That’s truly… pure Nihility”
-Tiernan To Acheron
So basically becomes the aeons themselve?
Wasn't it Tiernan who said that to acheron
@@lynxenz Yes, thank you…
I was going off a saved screenshot I took, where his name was still unknown…
??? = Tiernan
the Ursupation theory was with 2.2 confirmed. because Sunday in the was nearly becoming an aeon in his 3rd phase here the story quote "Using the Harmonious Choir as a foundation, the power of Order and Harmony intertwine to form the shell of an egg, within which the newborn god slumbers. The metaphysical embryo mumbles the olden dreams of childhood as the fetal movement of Paths throbs in the long night, futilely resisting the rising dawn."
Another thing I want to bring up is that I think the beliefs of a pre-ascended mortal also shape the Aeon itself. LAN's eternal hunt of Yaoshi isn't directly a core principle of the Hunt itself it is something that LAN the mortal had decided.
So it is probably very much possible to usurp an AEON with the intention to redirect the path at least to another interpretation of its core principle
But Yaoshi still alive so it's not a known way
@@recentmap7268 i don't get your argument.
@@recentmap7268 both Lan and Yoshi R powerful,Lan isn't yet successful
@@Valadion1 kafka said 3 known ways mean that the 3 ways is already happen. The usurp theory how mortal slain aeon didn't happen yet (the fight with sunday didn't happen yet and lan also didn't kill yaoshi yet).
@@recentmap7268the battle with sunday did happen, but not in their eyes, but elio's eyes
I think the 3rd way an Eon can die is when they stray away from their path. Maybe that is what happened with Akivili and Idrilla, and why nobody noticed when and how they vanished.
One way I think was mentioned (or at least implied) is that if you could convince an Aeon to reconsider their path or trick them into violating its tenets, the Aeon would cease to exist. That might be the hardest option of all, though.
Every "solution" basically boils down to the same thing, push an Aeon off their path, whether you hit them hard enough, eat them, erase them, or sat down and had a very convincing debate, it's the same thing.
@@GuyWithAnAmazingHat imagine if hsr ending were the tb sitting down and giving a 2h lecture so nanook the destruction dont fuck everything up and he just ceases to exist mid talk LMFAO
In terms of the TB vs Nanook situation, and this might be stretch, but what if the plan for the TB is to help them achieve Aeonhood in order to rival and potentially engulf Nanook and the path of destruction. The only known path that could absorb destruction, is finality.
imagine if the story is a predestined time loop where Elio guides TB into becoming the Aeon of Finality who gave past Elio the instructions in the first place, in order to overcome Nanook. (thinking this up hurt my head)
another thing that made sense to me is, the trailblaze seems like it’s a finite path, it has an end. and when it ends, it reaches finality.
What about Terminus? Would THEY be absorbed??
@@cyntheziser If Terminus keeps traveling backwards in time, then when did THEY ascend ? It has to be somewhere in the undetermined future despite being a recognized Aeon in current times. If there must be an end to everything then Finality is a predetermined path that must exist... so it's possible that the Aeon of Finality simply exists as a hazy possibility that hasn't fully taken an identity and form for the time being. Echoes of a yet-to-be future. Who is the Aeon of Finality hasn't been fully determined, only that there must be an Aeon of Finality. Or maybe who THEY are has already been set, and Terminus is just TB going backwards to influence events and ensure that they do become Terminus... or get themselves to pick a different sort of resolution.
@@2sword
If mihoyo does that tineloop bs Ill sue
And isn't the point of the Trailblazer is to delay finality?
Trailblazer's first confrontation with Nanook (which is of Aeonic propotions Kafka herself said we'll never be able to reach and that she didn't bring humans into the picture and they don't want to kill an Aeon) is said to be the end but if everything goes right there will be an aftermath
@@ManiyaVinasi'll sue too lol. mihoyo is REALLY fond and at this point kinda overdone with the timeloop. GGZ used timeloop as the whole basis of its canon stories, HI3 is a world stuck in a time loop put by an alien entity called finality (here as "time" not as "the end"). GI with its stupid "cycles of life" which is basically just a time loop. now HSR is hinting at a time loop.
@@ManiyaVinas It's like what Acheron said to Adventurine; the end comes anyway but you get to choose what you do and how you live until you get there. What we do before the confrontation with Nanook might just not be about winning or losing against Nanook but about what kind of person the Trailblazer will be after it(or what kind of Aeon Nanook might be after it). The end of one story is the beginning of a new one. The train is going to reach its terminus eventually. Doesn't necessarily mean that where the story ends is the same place as where the universe ends, though. We might not see the birth of Terminus in-story, but we might be instrumental in a better Terminus existing.
Nobody complains if we have to fight world ending/universe ending threats every time in these games nor if there are themes of fighting a very real destiny, but somehow having the perfect set up for both pre-determined fates(eternal recurrence) and a meta-narrative about endings(finality) in a franchise telling stories about both is a problem. We know what it's about and where it's going but what matters is what we do and what we experience within the context before the narrative closes its doors on us.
I have a tinfoil theory for the longest time now: I think the MC is Akivili themselves, the Trailblaze, in the process of rebirth.
Kafka said that we are going to eventually fight Nanook, and said there are 3 ways to kill an Aeon: being killed by another Aeon, being ABSORBED by another Aeon, and a 3rd undisclosed way, which I think is the Aeon themselves straying from their paths. If that is indeed the 3rd way, I would imagine we "kill" Nanook by convincing them to give up the path of Destruction. And, seriously, what a BORING end to HSR would that be, if we defeat Nanook by "speak no jutsu". So I think the other 2 are the way: have Nanook be either killed or absorbed by another Aeon. Since Kafka said the MC SPECIFICALLY is going to fight Nanook, and the two "not boring" ways to kill an Aeon REQUIRE another Aeon, that means the MC is either going to ascend to Aeonhood, or are already an Aeon. Ascending as an Aeon of a new Path seems... unlikely, since we are already walking the path of Trailblaze, so I think we're already the Aeon of The Trailblaze, Akivili.
There are a few hints to the MC being Akivili:
1- We know Akivili "died", but as we know from lore, "death" seems to be somewhat "flexible" for Aeons, since the Knights of Beauty keep looking to revive Idrila, and the Swarm keeps trying to revive Tayzzynronth. This idea is also pushed by the new 2.2 quest, with Sunday trying (and almost succeeding) to revive Ena, The Order.
2- Herta makes us roleplay as "Akivili" in the SU, saying we are particularly "compatible" with the role. Suspicious.
3- From SU lore (which most people ignore BUT I DONT!!!) we know Akivili liked to roleplay as mortals, and while roleplaying THEY pretty much ARE the character, even forgetting THEY'RE an Aeon, and THEIR mortal avatars die mortal deaths pretty often. Who is to say the "Galactic Baseballer" is not another one of Akivili's roles?
4- We drew the gaze of 3 (THREE) different Aeons in the span of, what, a few months? This is freaking UNHEARD OF in HSR lore! There is no precedent! The MC has to be different from other mortals to even do such a thing. And no, I don't think its the Stellaron.
5- Also from the SU, we learn that Aha, The Elation, is pretty fond of Akivili, following them around and asking them to try their new toys all the time. The two of them seemingly had the closest thing to "friendship" two Aeons could have, and even the Masked Fools and Nameless are helping each other frequently. And, well, guess which faction has most appearances in quests, and where the most helpful? Thats right, the Masked Fools. Sampo helps us in Belobog, Giovanni again helps us in an event, and now Sparkle helps us in Penacony.
6- Also about Aha, it is pretty much confirmed they are following us closely since the start of the game. I have another tinfoil theory that the crazy dialogs we see, for example, in garbage cans in Belobog, is in fact Aha talking to us. The voice refers to the MC as "you" instead of "I", meaning its someone else talking to us, instead of our own inner monologue. Also in the Phantylia boss fight, we can hear Aha laughing, so they also followed us to the Luofu too. And now in Penacony, if you open page 17 of the picture book, the dialog says "We have known each other for quite a while now, do you know who I am?", pretty much breaking the 4th wall. Who do we know can break the 4th wall? Aha themselves, and Sampo, a follower of Aha.
TLDR: The MC themselves ARE Akivili. The fact we drew the gaze of 3 different Aeons already, and that Aha and their Masked Fools are following the Trailblazer so closely are hints to that. And we'll have the power to defeat Nanook once we fully awaken our Aeonhood.
Imagine Akivili design being just black screen because WE are Akivili
Also - Trailblazer, Aeon of Rizz
I think akivilli is dead and there can never be another aeon for the trailblaze, because trailblazing is all about making your own choices and follow your own path, where the other paths follow the aeon somewhat
Keep cooking bro this smells delicious, also I've started to think the same thing after 2.2 quest like if Sunday can incarnate the essence of a dead Aeon's path to the point that he got enough power to reach emanator status what stops one from reaching Aeon-hood ? Especially since the Stellaron hunters want the mc to gather as many allies as possible before facing Nanook, the Stellaron may actually be a way to better build up whatever source of power is necessary to be granted aeon status of the trailblaze.
Anyhow can't wait for our tinfoil theory to be proven right !
@@sorawastaken it is highly likely that akivili is dead, but it is not entirely true that 'there can never be another aeon for the trailblaze'. Who's to say that there won't be another being that thinks and live the same as akivili? What is the point of Aeons who assign emanators if they don't think they follow their path's ideal essence?
I have a theory that Stelleron are created when Nanook destroys something and the trailblazer Stelleron is created from Akivilis Destruction. It's random and no proof , just a personal theory
Maybe that's what happened with Long the Permanence. I thought they were searching for the meaning of Life, and once they found it, Long was presumed dead.
I feel like they descended into weaker states, their scions
It might be the last one considering how Long died after they found their answer
Seeing it from another angle could be they died because they found the answer they're looking for
I remember somewhere in the game where it stated if an aeon does something beyond their path, they will cease to exist
Where?
@@ManiyaVinas himeko and welt say it if you ask them aboard the express. its called "primus mobile," and if the aeon strays from the philosophies of their path, they'll die.
@@setuser777No they dont say an aeon will die if they act outside of their primum mobile. They say an aeon *cant* act outside of their primum mobile. Huge difference.
@@Phapchamp ah my bad, I came to an assumption. I guess I filled the memory in with my own theory.
I agree on you take on aeons dissapearing after either fulfilling their purpose or just "vanishing" if not enough imaginary energy can sustain them. I always wondered about the aeon of finality and the end of the universe. First of all, the fact that Terminus could even be created under those conditions (the end of everything) means that the only "ideal" left is the end as such.
I'd love if MiHoyo shed some light about the specifics of the original end of everything (the galactic Bseballer can change fate so we cant say its the same end anymore), but i wonder if that would take away some of the magic of it.
I think imaginary tree is a cyclic universe. Terminus living backwards in time meaning end of the universe is the start of the universe and IX and Aha finding universe meaningless checks this out.
Some of the comments read like as if they have never reread kafka's dialogue regarding the future implies to me that the first encounter with Nanook doesn't have to be the last if the script is followed.
It doesn’t even sound like that we will be able to do any harm to them
3:38 I thought the third method was mentioned at some point… Why do I recall it having something to do with straying from the path. I even recall someone calling the paths as cages. But don’t trust me, my power of recollection is not forte, I’m more a feelings person.
actually few of your theory/question can be answer with honkaiverse lore(ggz, hi3 and hsr, mainly ggz lore for this time), assume you think honkaiverse lore in general can be apply to hsr so take it how you will. Before i start answer base on my subjective knowledge of honkaiverse and ggz lore, let me clarify some term i gonna be using:
- aeon = god in honkaiverse lore
- path = authority
- the TRUTH: this is a special knowledges of universe law and principle that is near incomprehensible to normal mortal
All the below will be speaking from honkaiverse lore perspective and not hsr lore
1. god kill god:
a) Physically kill a god: this is possible but extremely difficult due to a god is tie to their authority, as long as their authority exist, the god will live, survive or resurrect. The more easy way to kill a god physically is to sever/cut/disconnect/weaken their tie to their authority, which would allow you to kill them physically. Another rare case is a god so strong that they was able to destroy both the god and that god authority at the same time.
b) Assimilation: A god authority can expand their concept so a god can assimilated another god authority and in result also absorb that god as well. Assimilated authority will now be a part of the authority that assimilate it but it will still exist. Whether the god getting absorb still survive within the other god or not is depend but usually they don't
c) Cannibalize: similar to assimilation but this method will destroy the eaten authority completely and become nutrient for the authority eating it, which help the god and the authority grow stronger and expand more.
d) Suicide: a god can actually just kill themselves and self destruct, which not easy to do but possible
2. Mortal kill god: While possible but it is even more difficult than if you just try to become god then kill another god
a) Dethrone: a person connection and ability to draw power from an authority depend on their understanding of authority TRUTH, which also apply to the god as well, The god have complete understanding of their authority TRUTH is why they able to become god in the first place, if a mortal can somehow reach a deeper understanding of the TRUTH than the god themselves, that mortal can effectively replace the god completely
b) Destroy the god true body/core: When a god ascend to godhood, they usually leave behind their physical body and their god body manifest into another higher dimension. IF mortal is able to reach the god real body/core which also contain the connection with their authority and with strong enough weapon/power/method then they can kill that god
=> The reason why mortal killing god is so hard is that on method 1 you r more likely to branch off into a different authority to the god you trying to replace or the god notice you before you were able reach the highest enlightenment of the TRUTH and kill you before that happen. On 2nd method if the god didn't kill you for trying to do that, the resource + the amount of brain power needed and power different between you and the god is so massive and you basically needed multiple miracles to happen to even get to god true body let alone killing them, you just better off become a god yourself and it would be easier.
3. Another possibility is that If the universe where the god are from is completely destroy, the god will likely be kill along with it, due to their authority is link to that universe (imagine a similar case to the infinity stone in mcu only work in their respective universe). And i don't mean everything in the universe is wipe type of destroy the universe, i mean the universe itself is completely destroy. A way to avoid this for the god is either they somehow migrate their authority to a difference universe before it happen or they ascend to higher level, yes there is even higher level than god in ggz/honkaiverse lore, which don't tie them down to single universe anymore. Honkaiverse/ggz lore actually have a clear detail on how one ascend to godhood, which from what i understand so far in hsr, which should be basically almost the same with just difference name
4. This part will be my opinion for discussion:
- An aeon can die if their path is proven incorrect, while i think this is possible on paper/theory but it would be impossible to do in reality. A path is collection of principle and philosophy but it also a collection of fundamental principle and law of universe, base on honkaiverse lore, it basically the TRUTH of the universe, trying to prove something true as false is kinda impossible
- Making all sentience life in universe to change their understanding of a concept to destroy an aeon existence due to their path got change is not possible imo. While aeon is tie to their path but their path doesn't necessary tie to what people in universe think of it. Like what i said above, a path is basically a TRUTH of the universe, it will be a truth whether you believe it or not, like gravity will still be gravity whether you call it difference name or if newton never exist, gravity still exist.
- I feel like you kinda only have a very surface understanding of the path, only taking them at their face value from their name only. Each path is much deeper than what their name suggestion, i would argue that many path name is kinda misleading if we don't understanding it true meaning. This is same case with authority in ggz and herrscher authority in hi3(herrscher authority is weaker and more limited version of a god authority in the context of honkaiverse lore)
Interesting. Also note that GI is a part of the Honkaiverse as shown in HI3
@@Giovansbilly genshin is part of hoyoverse but not honkaiverse, at least from all the current info we have. yes ik about that 1 scene where Dvalin showing up on Otto monitor but we don't know the detail of it, imo it likely he was observing other universe within the imaginary tree(aka hoyoverse), which is something he have been confirm to done before, like how we human can see distant galaxy just from earth, there is nothing said Otto can't observe different far away universe from his place
I don't think 2B is possible in the HSR verse. When Rainbow arbiter ascended to aenhood, the body of the mortal reportedly disappeared.
@@setuser777 that what i meant in 2b "leave behind their physical body", physical body here mean their mortal body but god in ggz need something as anchor so they don't just disappear completely in their ascension coz they would just ascend forever so that why they have a true body or core in a different higher dimension than ours, which contain their existence and their connection to their authority and serve as an anchor. This is a bit more easy to understand if you know the detail on how to ascension to godhood, which is kinda long so i didn't explain it here. tbh if you understand ggz process of ascension to godhood, you would be completely impress by Nous ascension, Nous ascension to aeonhood could only be describe as miracle on top of multiple miracles in context of honkaiverse lore.
@@jakeail1995 It was outright said in a video by honkai official channel that picture was from imaginary tree
The problem is with IX.
It's literally a black hole. There's no real way of deleting a black hole.
Hawking radiation will evaporate a black hole in 2 × 10^106 years.
Finality will be there to witness that.
IX isn't actually a black hole, its literal nothingness. Herta just used a black hole as a placeholder. But ye you can't really delete nothing as well.
@@hxcks7393you can’t delete the concept nothingless
But you can delete the represent of it
Ix still exist , as long as a thing exist, you can delete it
@@hxcks7393 You can't kill nothingness because nothingness doesn't exist. Black hole is a non-physical object. It's a hole in space-time.
Black Hole is nothingness, it changes different things into same thing that disappears in it. It has only mass, charge, and angular momentum, it doesn't have surface, there's no physical body for a black hole/
@@hxcks7393 Literally IX is called "All-Consuming Black Hole" in the game, also "Black Sun" and "The Sleeping and Shapeless". Black hole is nothingess. It's a hole in space time. It doesn't have surface. It has only mass, angular momentum and charge. It can only merge with other black holes and grow. The only way to delete black hole is hawking radiation. Cutting a black hole from any new food for ammount of time so absurd, that infinity is a good name for it. Black Hole can only "vaporize" extremely small over. Black hole with a mass of a few Suns would need 10^100 years (10 with 100 zeros) to evaporate. As an Aeon of Nihility, IX must be a biggest black hole possible.
Planet size being? I am convinced that Qlipoth has literal suns for joints.
IX is a supermassive black hole too no?
IX is not a black hole. All black hole lines used for it is metaphorical. Like how amber lord is used for qlipoth and how eternal centurion is used for xipe. IX is literal nothingness. The void itself. Black holes are objects that exist.
I think the last theory you proposed is definitely possible in theory, but too ridiculous in practice to actually consider. I've held the belief that the third method hinted by Kafka is the second-to-last you mentioned in this video, when an Aeon has reached the end of their Path. I have the crazy theory that Elio is actually Akivili, who at some point gained the ability to see the future, thus rendering pointless any further exploration of the universe (effectively negating his connection to the Path of Trailblaze, becoming just a simple human afterwards).
I think that some Paths are destined to exist forever. Think about it like this: without Nanook there won't be balance in the universe and probably most of the paths won't even exist. It is a continuous cycle of balance between some paths; i do agree however that some paths are lesser than others just like any idealistic concept and are also prone to "change". As for the 3rd part on how to "kill" an Aeon, my take is that a powerful enough Emanator of that path can become a challenge for their Aeon. Don't want to spoil too much but Acheron's plan is "to reach Nihility's end" and i'm pretty sure she's powerful enough to stand a chance at defeating IX. If mortals can ascend to aeonhood the reverse can also be possible.
EDIT: the only one who can kill any aeon easily... is.... Da Wei. xD
The concept of destruction existed before nanook though, nanook is in fact the youngest aeon meaning a concept doesn't need a path to exist
@@snowbiscuits5788 Ok... replace the word Nanook with the Path of destruction.
@@cerebrus_gacha Did nanook exist b4 tho? No.
@@snowbiscuits5788 it's not about Nanook, my bad. The point is, without destruction, there is no "balance", so most of the other paths would probably never existed.
@@cerebrus_gacha But paths and concepts are not the same. Destruction hasn't caused the creation of ANY paths, except its self (swarm disaster)
You forgot to mention the death of The Propagation due to the union of Qlipoth, HooH, Aha, Akivili and Xipe and The Voracity (who ate what was left of Tayzzyronth's body)
Qlipoth destroyed tazzy and sealed him It tiny pieces,and the voracity got sealed by Qlipoth too
@@rickelmehanwinckel2699 Totally unknown what happened to voracity
Sometimes the trailblazer got flashback in the future before it happened i feel like trailblazer is Elio himself
As for the 'disappearing' Aeons, I've heard a theory that Akivili may have become Nanook, after something caused THEIR goal of Trailblazing and exploring warped somehow.
Idrila, though, may have shattered into a million pieces because the concept of 'beauty' is too subjective with too many myriad definitions for there to be one exemplar of.
If the Idrila theory is correct that would explain why we find March floating in ice. Her being a fragment of Idrila.
I'm pretty sure Aeons cease to exist if they stray from their path so I don't think the Akivili becoming Nanook theory is possible
Akivili still existed after Nanook ascended ffs
@@ManiyaVinas Did he? I was under the impression from Simulated Universe that the two aeons had never actually been active at the same time. Likewise, Nanook's first action when meeting 'Akivili' (the TB in disguise) in Sim-U is to explode them. Like he knew he shouldn't be there, or otherwise didn't have a history with the other aeon.
in SU, Fuli showed the MC some memory of Nanooks mortal life. So him being Akivili seems unlikely.
I have a feeling Elio (maybe an Aeon) has a script but maybe in the later arc the MC will break that script he thinks it is final and further lose his purpose and free him for the finality of the script.
This is putting my thoughts down without all the little details, but I think a lot about Elation/Aha having the possibility to ‘kill’ Nihility/IX.
Elation takes the same conclusion and message of ‘Nothing matters’, but allows that concept to thrive rather than fade out of existence. Nihility says ‘Nothing matters, so I may as well fade away’, whereas Elation says ‘Nothing matters, so I find ‘meaning’ through simply enjoying life’.
The active force of Elation could surely outshine the passive force of Nihility, I just don’t know to what extent it would have on IX’s existence as a being.
(If anyone here has played through FFXIV Endwalker, think of it as Zenos vs Meteion in ideology)
So we either need to destroy the universe to fulfill Nanook's wish and restart it using Fuli's remembrance, but it probably already happened and Nannook just came back as a part of the memories. Or we need to weaken it enough to allow Lan to replace him by fusing the path, because I can definitely see a way for the Hunt (destruction of specific targets) to replace the Destruction.
In my opinion, another way aeons could be killed could be through degradation of their beliefs.
If the cancer of all worlds stops spreading, and the trailblazer (walking stellaron) starts helping and restoring worlds, would that make Nanook doubt of his ability to destroy? Himeko said that Aeons follow the ideas of their path and are incapable of doing anything else. What if that's not a step in the creation of an aeon but a direct requirement, making any aeon that doubts their power to stop being one.
My idea on the third way is to destroy the path itself, like if you destroyed the idea of destruction then what IS nanook? too cut off their truth it too break them as a whole tbh.
You can't do that
@@ManiyaVinas yeah prob right just sounded pretty out there, kinda like the Ena theory :3
The Third way to kill an Aeon : become someone who can erase any concept and recreate everything in Hoyoverse🗿
or just be bullshit op like superman
become mr. shaoji
@@spidey2837Don't think superman could kill an Aeon
@@tripedal2063 he can kill darkseid a literal platonic archetype whos just by falling threatened the infinite multiverse
And he can also kill barbatos a literal cosmic entity
But superman wouldnt kill an aeon just defeat them since superman doesnt kill even if its a literal being that is the concept of evil
@@spidey2837 All aeons are 12D conceptual beings. They are on the level of imaginary tree itself.
Monday rlly figured out how to becomeand aeon before herta can and the mom who abandoned her cake children
I think in the end of the story MC will ascend to becoma an aeon but not for an existing path. Maybe after collecting numerous aeons powers we will become an aeon of aeons.
Homu labs says their no theory of universes, but a theory of worlds, it functions as a multiverse
If HSR is going to put in a lot of Gnostic mythology into the game, I wonder if the ultimate goal of the Hunters is to make the MC the Monad. If I remember correctly in Gnositism, Aeons come from the Monad and the Monad is within all of them.
So if a higher being could exist, then what would it be able to do that an Aeon can't do? My only guess right now is that maybe they'd gain the authority to remove an Aeon's divinity and if this being has the abilities of all the paths then that means a new Aeon of destruction probably wouldn't be born after (or at least not last for very long).
It would be pretty interesting if this is the route HSR goes down, because not only would Nanook cease to exist but the other Aeons might also lose their purpose since now there's a higher god. Maybe they would be allowed to stick around, as long as they don't cause trouble like Nanook? Funny enough this might also solve any problems other Aeons have caused like Yaoshi's gift of immortality.
A forest growing on a gaint tree in space
Maybe Pom pom ist the trailblazer and we become his Champion with the Path of the trailblazer
Akivili is the train.
The third way to kill an Aeon probably has to do something with stelaron. Its hinted in the same cutscene where before telling us the third way to kill an aeon she looks on the side and stellaron activates making the tree grow again.
I always have a nagging feeling that nanook is akivili cause the one that had always deal with stellaron are the trailblazers. What if it secretly corrupt akivili? And since MC can branch to many other path cause of stellaron and trailblazing path is insane. Think about it if you go trailblazing in real life you discover many path other had created or create it one yourself. Shit i need to be more articulate but you guys know what i mean sorry english isnt my 1st languege
Nanook is a human ascend in the last stage of the war with tazzyroth
Akivili exist before that
So the only way your theory can be right is if an aeon can be degenaration become their mortal form again
Ur right i wasnt paying attention to the timeline. At least i cant confidently cross one more list thank you
I feel like the third way would be make them descend into a weaker form?
I feel like it somehow happened with Long, since They have descendants called "scions"
Dan Heng is a Scion
Trailblazer could be related to Akivili
March 7th is Idrila theory is also a thing
Calling it now the third one is to replace them by ascending yourself
Just a random thought I'm gonna leave here: TB might just end up becoming the aeon of Humanity by the end of their journey. What that entails? Idk. But this could also lead to aeon!TB challenging the principles behind paths and aeons alike. Mayhap, that's what Elio sees. Just a thought. 👾
HI3 does have a Herrscher of Human
@@Giovansbilly Yeah, it'd be cool for HSR to come to an "end" with Humanity while it was the beginning for Hi3rd.
Sounds racist to inorganic and non human life
You know, humans are not the only race in HSR universe,
Hey are you gonna do a 2.2 summery
I wouldn't completely discard the possibility that an aeon could change or be made to change
I'm of the opinion that a big enough event could be able to change the mind of an aeon (or the path itself) making the aeon itself change
I think this is what happened to Oroboros, the swarm disaster event made it change in to IX
Where does it say that oroboros became IX.Oroboros is still out there for all we knoq
@@HeppelhopV5 we only know that oroboros was no longer around After the swarm disaster
My theory Is that After that he became IX
This Is mostly based on the fact that they are both described as sentients black holes
@@salasy oroboros was a leviathan, entities that existed far before aeons
@@HeppelhopV5 he Is still described as a sentient black hole
You can read this in his entry in the SU
@@salasy I believe that was more of an analogy than anything else.. Unrelated but maybe IX was an astral spirit pre aeonhood
In fact your theory is not bad I mean Acheron proves that you can access immense power within a path just by yourself + if your align with it > like she totally embrace the nihility.
Tho she want to cut off nihility and IX so don’t know what will happen for now.
She only can do that because ix not stop her
Ix not react with anything allow acheron can take power from ix without it’s permision
Acheron is an "anomoly" in the hsr verse...
I wonder what elio see that make him guide us to kill Nanook, isn't killing Nanook means disturbing the equilibrium that HooH keep? So we fought Hooh next?
Nanook don't want any equilibrium , they wants to Destroy everthing
@@rickelmehanwinckel2699 well duh its hooh that want equilibrium
@@RazeluxeMeitzen7 i am saying nanook is Threat to equilibrium
@@rickelmehanwinckel2699 nope if nanook is a threat then hooh would take action already just like propagation
@@RazeluxeMeitzen7 how you know hooh not do anything 🤷🏻♂️
It probably is a new war of aeons will coming and hooh just busy with prepare for it
well their is also a banishment method, where they can trap him on a pseudo universe detach from the main universe. weakening his power as he was far from the said universe he was in or rather. the source of his power which a pure speculation but entirely possible but only a small percentage or rather not even 1%. like how welt doesn't had that much honkai energy because he was far from the source of it.
And cause its being redirected to the moon
@@puppd7428 yes, and one way or another we will eventually get honkai cause. a honkai without a honkai is not a honkai🤣🤣🤣 and since for all we know honkai energy can even travel to the imaginary tree itself. assuming the what "if" imagine nanook was posses by honkai will when he was weakened and become far more greater threat. urging welt to use the "reason" since the honkai is sipping in
Did akavili achieve his goal and just vanished?
I doubt it since the Data Bank states THEIR destiny was ended abruptly due to an accident that we currently do not know anything of.
Regarding the brainwash theory. Could it be possible to take it a step further and just kill every follower of a path to destroy it? it would be a monumental task but i believe quite potent when its about weakening/ending an aeon.
The follower is not what create the path
Do that not affect the path and the aeon
To create a path First there is a need for a aeon,after that even If the aeon dies the Path Will still exist
Didn't the bug aeon bacame it was lonely?
I'd like to ask a few more questions, guess someone can answer 'em all.
How aeons are ascended to aeonhood, we know Nanook was a human being and ascended to aeonhood?
If along strong will is enough to be an aeon then where did these emanators come from, don't they have strong enough will to draw power from the path?
I heard somewhere, Aha, once laughed so hard that the entire universe witnessed the rise of an aeon, this is silly and weird, I suppose they were once human or any other higher being. Does that mean there's a hierarchy?
And finally, if emanators are closest to their respective aeons, don't they have a higher chance to ascend to aeonhood, if so, then what if there is an already existing aeon? Can there be more than one aeons, I mean, in HSR universe there are millions of galaxies and it's impossible to believe there can't be more than one person who can rival the will of a path to ascend to aeonhood.
In my opinion, HSR world building is really complicated and inconsistent.
We don’t know exactly how to ascend to aeon
We can guess few condittion like energy, will, the explode of emotion but it could be not all the condittion
You can’t ascend to become aeon while a aeon already exist
The godhood only have 1 posittion , if you want to become aeon of a path while that path already have aeon, you must to take dowm that aeon first
If i remenber Correctly nanook ascended after his world was destroyed by the propagation,to become a aeon you need to Become This concept completely is not Just a strong Will
planet size being? are you sure about that? i think multiple galaxy size is more accurate.
Qlipoth have two suns on him
@@rickelmehanwinckel2699 *4. 5 if you count the hammer too. If we consider the distances involved Qlipoth is probably the biggest aeon there is in terms of size.
Help in simulated univesre it was said that tayzzyronth's antena could span a galaxy.
Make galaxy Ranger lore video ....I will find you 😊
Funny that you pan to Welt as I think he's the antithesis of this whole paths thing as I don't think he has a nihilistic view of life
if you look into acheron she is also not nihilistic in her on views she just knows " in the end it doesnt even matter"
Welt doesn't follow Nihility tho, he follows the trailblaze
I guess that his Nihility path in the game is a convention of a playable character. Cuz Black Swan is also Nihility path in the game while in the lore she's a Memokeeper - a Remembrance pathstrider
You could argue him leaving his world and entire legacy behind just to become a coordinator that likes animation as a nihilistic move. Nihilism as a concept rejects the importance of human existance, and erasing your legacy could very well be it.
@@mint_zzz This always trips people..that gameplay isn't equal to lore
You just say what I did emanator can kill its own AEON AND become it because I wanted what was meant to be mine I want what was promised to me to be beautiful AGAIN AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA I AM ALICE ANGEL HAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH don't you understand with him I can be be perfect you don't know what it's like to drown away in a pateau of darkness into Abyss even more Darkness till you fell from yourself from your body even and become something un perfect BUT I will be perfect once I have him
Xipe is so 🥵
Actually, there's 4 ways to kill an Aeon.
Leave it alone with a genshin player in a locked room.