im going with Finality being the third one for now. it also makes sense with the theory that this planet is reliving it's memories over and over, as Finality is essentially death and "rebirth". is looking for a way to get this planet out of the loop
@Josh-qt5zi Elio being "enlightening" to the situation? That kinda makes sense. We'll have to see, though, especially as Herta seems to be involved in this "project" now, too. And not the dolls of her, but the real Herta.
Nah, it's almost definitely Elation for me. The first ever mention of Amphoreus was by Sparkle back in 2.1's Cosmodyssey event, with her claiming to be the "Divine Macha on Amphoreus", so we know that the Masked Fools at least _know_ of Amphoreus, and most likely have been to it. Now, that doesn't prove much, but hear me out : "Amphoreus" is literally an anagram for "Amphitheatre", as well as being heavily based on Ancient Greece and Greek mythology. Theatre, "plays", acts, and this type of entertainment all come from Ancient Greece, with that large circular stone-looking structure full of stairs, almost like a colosseum, the first amphitheatres. The exact type of look that they're going for with Amphoreus. Also this might be a stretch but in the description to Amphoreus's trailer, they name all of the characters showing up at the end in the exact order they're shown, except two names that are blurred. 4 characters that are shown as "shadows", but only 2 of those 4 being unnamed...? Why don't they want us knowing the name of those two? One of them has Sparkle's color scheme, looks a lot like her, and seems to be holding a mask up to her face. The other one with the cool mask and the flame is based on Kalpas from HI3 flamechasers, and Kalpas just so happens to have a very similar hairstyle and figure as the one on Sampo's E6 eidolon, on top of having the same hair color as Sampo's natural, undyed hair color (white). And one of the icons for the 12 titans is literally the Elation symbol with the wine glass. Just leaving this out there.
I came from future, Amphoreus main story won't end in 3.3 but they have a new system where 3.4 will be filler and then 3.5-3.7 will continue the main story
Remembrance, Enigmata, and Nous are the Aeons there. Destruction and Ena might have played a role but no longer are there and since we are going to go through the "Memory" of Amphorous and the "Flamecore" Hero's they arent actually their anymore. Its just a memory on repeat over and over and over and over again which is WHY Madam Herta herself will be there because its almost SIMILAR to her SIMULATED UNIVERSE. The MC is going to "REWRITTE" the story of Amphorous creating NEW Memories and allowing the "ETERNAL" (infinite) Land (Loop) to finally close/continue. Enigmata is the mortal enemy of the Remembrance and is changing/hiding the truth of Amphorous from US Aka Agalea is the STORYTELLER and shes ONLY TELLING US what SHE wants US to know. Her entire thing is the Strings of Fate and Puppets. shes the one controlling the "Chess Board". Also the EYE in the sky (sun) is a Stelleron which is WHY the disaster/loop is occurring. Ena "could" have brought it there once in order to bring ORDER to the land but after her assimilation with Xipe her "Eye" closed and nothing was keeping the Stelleron itself in check bringing an age of chaos and disaster story stuff is no longer leaked since 2.0 so this is just theory but im like 99% certain this is gonna be the full plot tbh
@@jerryeljeremy7790 im from the future future of this timeline and 3.4 will be filler but 3.5-3.6/.7 will be the Fate/Unlimited Bladeworks Collab where the Remembrance "Summons/Servants" system is going to be for almost all the new collab characters and a new Collab planet 3.4 will be the Chinese New Year event so probs back to the Lofu AGAIN
Luofu incidence is just a special event while the main story also progresses..they will introduce us to fu hua..remember how we have two limited banner pulls simultaneously and not 1 new+1 rerun
Amphoreus seems to have A LOT in common with Teyvat (from Genshin Impact). And interestingly, Teyvat might actually be the kind of "memetic world" you mentionned. Think about it Teyvat is a world where memories can be transformed into elemental energy, and where the wrong kind of memories (Forbidden Knowledge) can cause disease and destruction (we even saw it drive a giant dragon to madness) : isn't it exactly what you'd expect on a memetic world ? Besides Amphoreus and Teyvat seem to have very similar early history : both were isolated worlds, with a greek themed Unified Civilization wrecked by a Black Tide / Forbidden Knowledge.
Not genshin, more on the q3 flames of hi3 like the elysian realm, since it can only be accessed through the mirror it maybe just memories like what elysian realm showed, so its more hi3 not genshin
Even the theory of escaping the looping situation is such a Hoyo signature. My guess is Hoyo will make the story different than Elysian Realm, since the characters resemble the Flamechasers so much that Hoyo probably knew players would think this will be another Elysian Realm. Escaping the loop situation reminds me of how Hi3rd part 1 ended, with Kiana embracing a high entitity that controls her world. And we've seen Cyrene(Elysia expy) at the end of the trailer saying this will be a love story, my guess about this is that Cyrene will share the same fate as Kiana where she will take the blow to save or preserve her world. And maybe, we Trailblazers will come to save her
I think or maybe hope that the references to honkai impact 3rd are just references, itd a be nightmare to have to understand honkai impact just to get HSR. What I do hope is that its connected in some way (i mean welt and void archives is from that universe) but not in a significant enough way that you need to pre-read. Maybe im just being lazy and should start playing HI3rd 😂
@Maevix3142 I'm sure they wouldn't dare to make it too connected to Hi3rd(yet). But it'll be a good "love" story, surely everyone won't bawl their eyes out 👀
I agree with everything you said and I have a extra reason why. Spoilers for hi3 flamechasers arc . I'm assuming the story for amphoreus will have parallels to Elysian realm from hi3 because of two the two variants of Kevin (Phainon) and the Elysia (pink haired girl at the end) In hi3 The Elysian Realm is a...memory? Kinda I forgot the actual term but basically the characters there existed in the form of data to train future heros to defeat the honkai (you can consider it as corruption/destruction of humanity). The characters could have sentient conversations but at the end of the day they were just memories of their past selves I know they'll produce a new and great story but I think there might be parallels between both
While I'm convinced the original path before the world fell into chaos was Order (and I don't think it's one of the three paths); I think we know at least one path with certainty thanks to the Infinite symbol. It's going to be Oroboros/The Voracity. If you think I'm wrong consider for a moment that Oroboros is literally a Scylla from greek mythology and Ouroboros is a snake eating it's own tail in the shape of an infinite symbol. It's one of the paths we know surprisingly little of but intemperance/gluttony is something that does pop up in both greek and roman works & history.
Going to add something to my own speculation at 7:32 look to the left of the hand. Am I the only one that sees a fish or possibly a whale skeleton? Could Amphoreus actually be the location where Oroboros fell/disappeared to? Could the reason why Nous is so interested in all of this because it is information about the whereabouts of a missing Aeon?
But then Amphoreus is literally an anagram for "Amphitheatre", the first ever mention of Amphoreus was by Sparkle back in 2.1 Cosmodyssey event, the elation symbol is in the 12 titans symbols too, and Theatre, amphitheatres, and plays all originate from ancient Greece and are _huge_ things. Modern entertainment basically started in ancient Greece. Like, I think there's so many possible paths and this video misses the mark. They wouldn't ever theme two locations in a row with the same paths... Nihility, Harmony and Order are basically impossible. I think that other than Remembrance which is confirmed, it can be a whole lot of things such as Elation (theatre, ancient greece), Beauty (portrayal of the beauty of the gods in ancient Greece, beauty portrayed in statues, sensuality, revealing clothes...), Destruction (wars of the Roman empire, Nanook's golden blood...), Erudition (massive advancements in Philosophy and science in Athens... Although I doubt it because Herta Space Station is based on it, not sure they'd bring it back so fast, probably just Herta meddling with the plot without Erudition being one of the 3 Amphoreus paths), and sure, Voracity is plausible too, but for me it's among the most unlikely ones compared to those other ones.
@@BenBeckmaneAmphoreus is absolutely not an anagram of Amphitheatre. An anagram uses the same letters meanwhile Amphoreus has zero Ts and Amphitheatre has zero Os.
@@breakfastsquad9871 I used the word anagram wrong, that's my bad, I meant more like a "reference", as in, a word that mixes other words to combine into one. I don't know if there's a more technical term for what I'm trying to say.
All I can think of is the Elysian realm. It is also not real rather it is a simulation of the stories of 13 heroes.. I honestly can't wait for Amphoreus
I think Herta's involvement might be related to HI3 Her space station has Himeko's sword as one of her curios so it's possible she's aware of HI3 and therefore noticed Amphoreus connection to the Flame Chasers, hence wanting to observe if they would undergo the same Fate as the HI3 Flame Chasers of the Elysian Realm
@@ussinussinongawd516 We don't know what Herta is or isn't aware of. She's one of the greatest minds in this dimension. And the Amphoreus trailer makes it seem like she knows enough to be observing Amphoreus - with keen interest.
Someone on reddit mentioned that Amphoreus is a translation error. Not sure if it's true, but it would similar to Sampo saying Elation at the end of Belobog and it being translated into some other E word. Supposedly the real name of the world of Omphalos.
6:31 i was thinking the reason why we're getting Remembrance TB right as we get into Amphoreus is because Fuli wants to keep a trace of how the fate of Amphoreus will change with the Trailblazer now thrown into the mix maybe bc, and that's thing into the other theory that the Aeons are split in two factions, the one that follow order and the one that follow chaos and order wants the universe to follow a set path while chaos wants the universe to freely chose ut's path. So anyways mayeb Fuli has plans to use what the TB will do as a blueprint on how to force Aeons to let the universe strive it's own path. i guess the video was so good i could understand where the video was going for before it even ended lol
That's... not quite what Order and Chaos mean. Chaos isn't freedom, rather Chaos leans into destruction and instability. And Order isn't necessarily control or a way of things, but stability.
SPOILERS FOR 2.7 I feel like the aeons that were involved were actually 4-then deduced to 3. The first one might’ve been Ena the Order, signified by the eyes in the trailer. It was once said in the Simulated Universe that every civilization that Ena controlled was ultimately left into chaos-eventually collapsing to its final end. Before Ena got absorbed, the shadow of IX the Nihility might’ve corrupted the planet, thus making the Titans and the mortals aggressive with one another. This is where I feel like the Erudition and the Remembrance steps in. During this time, I theorize that Ena already got absorbed by Xipe the Order. The Remembrance crystalized the memories of the people inside that planet and made it into a memetic entity-this is where I think the 3 aeons will come into play. - The Remembrance, crystalizing the memories, and letting outsiders (The Trailblazers) meddle with Fate-like an unknown variable mixed into an equation. - The Erudition predicting how it ends with or without the Trailblazers, just like how we learned in the new Simulated Universe-that in the unknowable domain, that the future is unpredictable, given the fact that when unknown variables or “chaos” is added, it is hard to predict. - The Nihility stating that everything will end eventually regardless if the ending is predictable or not. *A thing to add here, Herta might be also be interested in Amphoreous because it is a bit similar to the Simulated Universe she created, and also similar to the story we experienced during the Unknowable Domain Expansion. I mean if we also look at their current situation, Amphoreous is THE counterpart of the Elysian Realm; and technically, the Elysian Realm is like the Simulated Universe itself. But still, it’s my theory about the Aeons so please take this with a grain of salt. *It might’ve also been confusing to read, but I really can’t explain it properly in English-so do bear with me. 😅 EDIT: Yeah, so Erudition was one of them confirmed by Screwllum in the new 2.7 story
I agree with you on the 4 aeons instead of 3 but I have different picks - Ena of Order The constant eye imagery and the fact that the world of Amphoreus was in constant "chaos" before Order was granted to it in the form of the core flames. Titans were born within the core flames which then ruled the planet. - The Destruction There's many things that hint towards Nanook being a player in this. Golden blood, chaos, etc etc I also saw a theory about one of Nanook's Emanators (the one associated with chess) being in the trailer for Amphoreus, so there is that. I bet good money that Nanook is behind things in Amphoreus. We might get another stellaron situation. - The Remembrance Very obvious. We are getting an entirely new path with it. Its also the reason we can get to Amphoreus in the first place. I have many other things to say about it, but I'll move on. - The Finality Time. Time Rewinding is something I noticed in the 2.7 livestream about Amphoreus. The Finality is the only Aeon that focuses on Time. I really do think we will get it's appearance in Amphoreus.
Personally I think it's only 3 and I also disagree with the ones you picked. - Remembrance is a no brainer, it's confirmed, literally new remembrance path and remembrance MC, the moment Black Swan said you need remembrance to reach Amphoreus, it was settled. - NOT Nihility. Definitely not, Nihility has been explored so, so much in version 2 and was at the forefront. Same with Harmony and Order, it just can't be, they wouldn't repeat the same trope for two locations in a row. - Elation... "Amphoreus" is an anagram for Amphitheatre. Theatre, plays, and those types of "entertainment" all come from ancient Greece. Back in 2.1 Cosmodyssey event, Sparkle claimed to be the "Divine Mecha on Amphoreus", which was the first ever mention of Amphoreus. The symbol of Elation is literally in the symbols for the 12 titans. The tough choice is for the third one. - Beauty. What is Ancient Greece and Greek Mythology known for the most other than creating the first democracy in Athens, their advancements in Philosophy, science and advancements in theatre and entertainment? Their depiction of beauty. Their sculptures of the gods, portraying perfect bodies, sensuality, etc. (won't say too much because I don't want my comment auto-deleted) - Destruction. Just because the flowing blood looks like Nanook's blood, and the grim setting with the war and all, the references to wars with the Roman empire, Mydeimos and whatnot. For me, Nihility is completely out of the equation and there's no way, Harmony and Order are impossible as well, Erudition is possible but unlikely, Destruction is highly likely, Elation is highly likely, Beauty is plausible. Edit : I actually think Voracity is plausible too.
@@BenBeckmane while I do respect your opinion, I do think it isn’t entirely impossible as you say that the writers wouldn’t use an Aeon such as Ena to reoccur in a story. Look at the Propagation for example, it had been prominent throughout 1.3+ and even in Firefly’s backstory. What I’m saying is that Ena might be possible as the one who created the Titans, but nothing more than that. Even the Order’s story that says “every civilization that she molded always turned into chaos” might be used as a foundation for the upcoming story-just as a context, totally not using them as a prominent aeon used in the story. Still, it is just theories and opinions. That’s why I do advise you to use proper wordings in your sentences as it may seem off to others, let us always speak with the uncertainty as we wait for the story to unfold. 😊
@@BenBeckmane nah, disagree with you on "they wouldn't repeat the same trope for two locations in a row" because 1. they totally would. It's hoyo, their whole thing is repeating the same tropes over and over in all of their games. Actually, the whole Swarm Disaster in SU was kind of a spoiler for Penacony and Penacony is just repeating the old history. Even Amphoreus itself is a repeating the theme from hi3 And 2. I guarantee you the story about Harmony and Order is not over yet. I'm 100% sure that they left some important information out that they're going to explore on Amphoreus And also who says we're limited to only three paths? We should already know that hoyo loooooves unreliable narrator bs, so we can't really trust what any character says until we see the whole picture lol. I bet there's more than 3, maybe a lot more even
@@brynefajardo2232 Yeah Ena is quite possible, that's true. The eye patterns and all. I would still find it a bit odd that they'd theme two locations in a row on the Order. But there's literally so many paths possible that it's tough to make the call. Although, I'd also like to call out that the only 3 titan symbols that directly translate to path symbols are Order, Erudition, and Equilibrium. Not even Remembrance is there, but we know Remembrance is for sure, so I guess it doesn't tell much that there's the eye symbol.
I think another thing to remember is with fu xuan lore we know nous doesn’t give direct answers about the future to humans anymore because it always leads to their own downfall so maybe nous has perfect calculations and wants the cycle to break but if he tells that to anyone it could ruin everything
i believe its probably ena/finality, because one eye so far is ena's symbol, and the planet ena governed all fell apart like sigonia iv, so i believe amphoreus used to worship ena as well..
Not only what you said, as a HI3rd player, I can add the meaning of Elysia‘s existence. She is said to only exist to sacrifice herself to save humanity or in other words: change their fate. The whole chapter of the Elysian Realm is about them changing fate. It was all a simulation but they managed to overwrite what is supposed to happen. Imagine it like a program you constructed that will destroy itself someday but it suddenly doesn’t. Since she is such a mysterious figure and looks kind of underwhelming, I can imagine her ending up gathering all Coreflames of the Titans and just rewrite fate although it would mean the main focus would be on her and bot the MC.
Given the classical Greek influences and the vibe of Amphoreus prior to the fall of the gods/ the sun falling asleep, I could be persuaded that the third path involved here is The Beauty. This is not only due to the idyllic way Amphoreus was portrayed, but also how the ideals of heroism seem to be intertwined with that path, and how the former age of heroes seems to be crying out for new heroes to rise and take their place.
Oh I alr thought it was a memory also isn’t the infinity symbol the “planet” like that’s what it’s gonna look like on the map when we go there in game. My guess is the remembrance, erudition forsure. And the eye looks like Ena eye from order. But they also talk about a golden flow which could be destruction. I don’t see the nihility.
I feel like the third path will be Hunt because there will be people who have one big goal of fighting fate (and so far everyone in the hunt has one big goal that they try to achieve).
also just to add to the stuff about the Garden protecting planets with the power of Remembrance, Moonshield is one such planet [yes, the planet we get some of our expedition materials from] i dont think Amphoreus is like Moonshield, but i think they're both memetic in nature, just that Amphoreus has always been this way while Moonshield was recently reconstructed as a memetic location
Solitary wave theory, the symbolism of theta, the revelation of the ninth day of Penacony, what do these three concepts have in common. The usage of theta to describe rotations and angles; theta also means the number nine in the Greek language. Waves can be described in complex exponential form with the wave equation Ae^(i[kx+wt]) where wt and kx represent the unit radians equivalent to theta that also represents radians.
Now what you missed is.. why would this world make us not worry about fuel anymore? You probably will answer: because it's a new world so bigger fuel, but I don't that's the case. Perhaps Amphoreus "loop mechanism" makes our experience reset itself again and again, thus once we insert our silver rail there, it will re-placing itself again and again and so keep giving us fuels infinitely.
I'm not that documented into the lore, but by watching more of these types of videos I asked myself where will Luocha and Jinlgu's plan will take place, cuz if it will be in Amphoreus than this might be the reason why remembrance will be there to capture the "killing" of an Aeon or the ascension of one(Ruan Mei). Don't take me seriously I just had a theory😅
this is just a guess but i think there's a possibility that fuli/remembrance will not be counted as one of the paths that black swan mentions. remembrance goal is to record memories (aka observe), so it might just be there as an observer of 3 aeons/paths colliding and how the people of amphoreus will decide their destiny.
Some people say that Amphorus is based on the Elysimum realm from hi3 ( so its a simmulation with people living in denial of their true nature and their death)
if real it would add credit to the theory about the Drop of Wildfire to have summed up the (possible) broader plot of the game: "We made a choice, go fight against your Fate!!!"
I keep thinking its a loop and that when we break this loop all these people will just stop existing and literally just become a part of our memories or something. Like itd be pretty bittersweet (which i like) if we go through the trouble of breaking the deadlock and then as soon as we do the planet disappears or finality approaches. That would make a great opening to the dark side of the HSR universe
I was thinking that maybe Amphoreus was something created/ruled by Ena, and when Xipe Absorbed it caused the "Black Tide". And that the 3 Paths acting on it now are Rememberance, Mythus (as you said, Hiding the World perhaps) and the 3rd I considered to be Nous, because I feel like they've been giving some focus on it, besides the 2.7 Trailer, Herta is talking to Nous directly, and that makes me think that Mythus could really be involved. In addition to an extra thought I had, with us getting the New Path so early, couldn't it happen that we get another Path too right at the end of the story? Even more so with this thing of having 3 Paths on Amphoreus... Well, just a lot of thoughts about everything
I know there’s no evidence but what if Amphoreus was a planet Ena governed. In the trailer Amphoreus was described as an extremely chaotic planet before the titans arrived and which there was an age of prosperity until the planet eventually fell. Which is similar to what’s said with all the planets that Ena govern. Ena brought order to the chaotic planet of Amphoreus (said order was the creation of the titans) which caused Amphoreus to experience prosperity but eventually the planet fell into ruin just like every other planet Ena governed.
world = planet, they are synonyms. you kind of contradicted yourself there. Just think it is funny. lol I wonder what is going to happen when we have two groups one well known for having a tragic fate and another known for changing fate clash. lol Seeing how the Nameless presence will change up the fate of flame chasers will be enjoyable to see. The part of the prophecy that brings up nameless has me curious on how it will play out. Will the trailblazer change tragedy into hope? or will it all be inevitable. This is a common theme with the trailblazer specifically I've noticed. Their existence changes fate. If not by choices, then by butterfly effect. Similar to the concept of somebody going back in time and how just existing changes the events that play out.
What if... Amphoreus is an allegorical world made to represent the Aeon war? I mean, Aeons are THE gods in the hsr universe, and there's no other species like them. It might function like Nahida's scaramouche fairytale memory back in his story quest
My main thought for the three paths involved with Amphoreus are: Rememberence (because we are getting that path), Destruction (because the visual and dialogue about the golden blood is too big of a thing for it to not have him involved), and Erudition (Herta is personally getting involved and in the 2.7 trailer we see her at least speaking with the Simulated Universe Nous, so that has to point to something the real Nous would want).
Agreed for destruction but not Erudition. Herta can get involved in the plot without Amphoreus being a path there. And, Erudition is already the theme of Herta Space Station, and I highly doubt they'd base two locations on the same paths so early. That eliminates Erudition (Herta Space Station), Hunt and Abundance (Xianzhou), and Harmony, Order, Nihility (Penacony). Instead it could be Finality (going against fate to free Amphoreus from some "loop", because of the infinity symbol, and Elysian realm in HI3), Elation ("Amphoreus" being an anagram of "Amphitheatre", Sparkle being the first character to mention Amphoreus, the elation symbol in the 12 titans, ancient Greece being the land of theatre and the start of amphitheatres and modern entertainment), voracity (Ouroboros in Greek Mythology, giant creatures, gluttony...), Beauty (the portrayal of the "perfect" bodies of the gods, namely in the statues/sculptures, sensuality, revealing clothes in Ancient Greece), and of course, destruction (war, spartans reference, Roman Empire wars, Nanook's blood, etc..) I would call Remembrance, Elation and Destruction, that's my guess. But I could see Elation being Beauty or Finality instead...
@@BenBeckmane I don't know what story you played but Herta Space Station kind of had nothing to do with Nous. Sure Herta is the emanator of erudition and thus a connection to Nous but the Aeon hasn't made an appearance in main story just yet. And the station is very focused on Herta alone, only time we see it is in Simulated Universe which I really don't count too much as an actual appearance. So I still feel that Nous could tell Herta to go there for something. I do agree that most of the ones that already made an appearance most likely wont be showing up in Amphorious. But I feel its still too early for Finality and Voracity since I think those will be saved for much later (Finality will most likely be when we start dealing with Elio and the stelleron hunters and Ouroboros feels like a bigger threat that should be focused on later). As for Elation, I think Aha will always be around but never directly involved like how Sampo was in Belobog and Xianzhou and Sparkle was in Penacony. Though If we do get some real involvement with Elation then expect 5 star Sampo to show up and be the emanator of that path (Unless my wild theory that Sampo is actually just Aha playing along for fun). I also don't want to put TOO much weight on HI3 stuff since, while yes Acheron has some reference or parallels to things, her story is very different to how HI3 Mei's story goes. Who knows we could both be completely wrong.
If you know the story of the flamechasers from Hi3rd then hoyo might do some similarities with this one, like hua, fu hua's expy moving out to become the marshal of the xianshou alliance, griseo becoming a star traveler after leaving probably becoming a leader of a different world, su's expy might have went with hua or simply had a different fate like turning into yaoshi, if amphorieus is just a preserved memory of the previous world right before destruction and some of the chrysos heirs did leave it to survive, then I'm gonna bet that the real kevin expy became the aeon of destruction or it might be kalpas expy who did so....while the actual kevin of hsr is somewhere else.
What's wrong about it ? As long as it's a good story they can make 100 of them. But it won't be like that. Also the dream world was real lmao and all the people in it were real. So it's not the same at all. Just because it's not real doesn't mean it's not important, meaningful or even inpactful... If you really can see the meaning behind something like this means that you are not a fan of stories or books. One thing I like to ask to someone playing HSR is if they real the story of SU when you play it, if you don't it a clear indication that you don't like to read stories and you just want to play the game. Nothing wrong with that but please don't say stuff lore when you don't even engage in it.
I don’t think it’s a dream world, but I don’t think it exists in reality anymore, or it it’s somehow trapped outside the confines of time, that’s why it is only visible through the prisms of the memokeepers. A world which is trapped in a time loop or bubble where time ceased to flow, or is reset after following the same thing over and over, a Samsara event. 13 Flame Chasers who fight against fate over and over to be defeated, and require the assistance of outside forces to overcome.
@Poisonlover323 But why... stories like that are meaningful to our characters. I don't think learning about the past of Amphoreus is a bad thing. If they do the story well we will enjoy it. Also I think the characters are memories of the past that took physical form like how memokeepers don't have a body but still can appear in a physical form like Black Swan
Remembrance, Enigmata, and Nous are the Aeons there. Destruction and Ena might have played a role but no longer are there and since we are going to go through the "Memory" of Amphorous and the "Flamecore" Hero's they arent actually their anymore. Its just a memory on repeat over and over and over and over again which is WHY Madam Herta herself will be there because its almost SIMILAR to her SIMULATED UNIVERSE. The MC is going to "REWRITTE" the story of Amphorous creating NEW Memories and allowing the "ETERNAL" (infinite) Land (Loop) to finally close/continue. Enigmata is the mortal enemy of the Remembrance and is changing/hiding the truth of Amphorous from US Aka Agalea is the STORYTELLER and shes ONLY TELLING US what SHE wants US to know. Her entire thing is the Strings of Fate and Puppets. shes the one controlling the "Chess Board". Also the EYE in the sky (sun) is a Stelleron which is WHY the disaster/loop is occurring. Ena "could" have brought it there once in order to bring ORDER to the land but after her assimilation with Xipe her "Eye" closed and nothing was keeping the Stelleron itself in check bringing an age of chaos and disaster story stuff is no longer leaked since 2.0 so this is just theory but im like 99% certain this is gonna be the full plot tbh
A couple of days ago, I shared a comment on an HSR Instagram account about a theory I had that Amphoreous, being a place that can only be reached “through Remembrance”, will happen INSIDE the Simulated Universe. The characters released in the main story patches always have relevance to the main story. Why is THE Herta the first main story patch related character revealed into a new “world” that has nothing to do with her and her goals? I have a theory that all of this is a Simulated Universe experience and since we know from that last few new Simulated Universe expansions that it’s unstable, the way to make it “safe” for the trailblazers going in it is to “familiarize” the characters they meet through their memories, Remembrance. Since people are claiming that Aglaea’s outfit is similar Himeko maybe it’s because the Simulated Universe used a memory of the trailblazers to tell Aglaea’s story through Himeko’s “image”. Other examples I thought of was that Tribbie, one of the new characters, rumored to have the child model like Bailu (if HSR wanted to make more child models, why wait this long?), Mydei rumored to have an HP thing like Blade (maybe taken from Dan Heng’s memory?), Casterice rumored to wield a scythe, her design having purple AND butterflies (like Seele).. AND it could also “explain” the Kevin Kaslana and Elysia EXPY, and the “Flame Chaser’s Story” from Honkai Impact 3rd THROUGH Welt’s memory. Just a little thought I had.
I didn't know who Elysia was at the time of watching the trailer, so when the very last shot of her in the field of wheat came on, my first thought was "March?" And right now that's making me think. Is it possible that March is an expy of her or something, and would thus ordinarily be doomed to meet her fate? Maybe we could learn something about that in Version 3, and that's how they'll tie her to Fuli's appearance in the story?
@@kenkaneki3873 March's past is tied to Remembrance and the Garden of Recollection, it's not impossible that she's Elysia's expy. But I think it's highly unlikely. Still, there's this quote "Set her in motion, Cifera the Fleet-Footed. Command the frozen time to once again flow." which could be a reference to like, "unfreezing" March 7th and uncovering her past or something. I'm probably just wafflin though. March 7th's real name _could_ be "Cyrene" like the girl shown there, it's not impossible. Very unlikely, but could be.
@@BenBeckmane Expy means that the character looks exactly the same and is by all means the same character which March is not. Cyrene looks like Elysia, has the same voice actor and says the same dialouge as her. Just like how Phainon is Kevin.
@@kenkaneki3873 I agree, a thing to note too is that expy’s Jap VAs are the same as their original character, thus confirming that it is in fact not March.
@@kenkaneki3873 "The same character" is a bit of a stretch when they have different names, slightly different looks, and different backstories. As far as I know there's nothing that necessarily disproves that March 7th could be an alternate universe version of Elysia who lost her memories. But sure, I get what you mean, I don't think March 7th is Elysia either in the end.
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im going with Finality being the third one for now. it also makes sense with the theory that this planet is reliving it's memories over and over, as Finality is essentially death and "rebirth". is looking for a way to get this planet out of the loop
I with you on that especially that Termius originally from roman myth,and the fact that Eilo is name after the Greek God of the sun Heilos
Also we have benn getting Finality crumbs these days, just like when we are getting Remembrance and Enigmata crumbs before Penacony.
@Josh-qt5zi Elio being "enlightening" to the situation? That kinda makes sense. We'll have to see, though, especially as Herta seems to be involved in this "project" now, too. And not the dolls of her, but the real Herta.
Nah, it's almost definitely Elation for me. The first ever mention of Amphoreus was by Sparkle back in 2.1's Cosmodyssey event, with her claiming to be the "Divine Macha on Amphoreus", so we know that the Masked Fools at least _know_ of Amphoreus, and most likely have been to it. Now, that doesn't prove much, but hear me out :
"Amphoreus" is literally an anagram for "Amphitheatre", as well as being heavily based on Ancient Greece and Greek mythology. Theatre, "plays", acts, and this type of entertainment all come from Ancient Greece, with that large circular stone-looking structure full of stairs, almost like a colosseum, the first amphitheatres. The exact type of look that they're going for with Amphoreus.
Also this might be a stretch but in the description to Amphoreus's trailer, they name all of the characters showing up at the end in the exact order they're shown, except two names that are blurred. 4 characters that are shown as "shadows", but only 2 of those 4 being unnamed...? Why don't they want us knowing the name of those two?
One of them has Sparkle's color scheme, looks a lot like her, and seems to be holding a mask up to her face. The other one with the cool mask and the flame is based on Kalpas from HI3 flamechasers, and Kalpas just so happens to have a very similar hairstyle and figure as the one on Sampo's E6 eidolon, on top of having the same hair color as Sampo's natural, undyed hair color (white).
And one of the icons for the 12 titans is literally the Elation symbol with the wine glass. Just leaving this out there.
@@BenBeckmaneThe elation symbol you’re talking about is probably a reference to Eden in HI3
I come from the future you were right (can't wait to see if this comment aged like milk or like fine wine)
I came from future, Amphoreus main story won't end in 3.3 but they have a new system where 3.4 will be filler and then 3.5-3.7 will continue the main story
@@jerryeljeremy7790 5 patches of pure story. Atleast 40 percent of that will be useless yap
Remembrance, Enigmata, and Nous are the Aeons there. Destruction and Ena might have played a role but no longer are there and since we are going to go through the "Memory" of Amphorous and the "Flamecore" Hero's they arent actually their anymore. Its just a memory on repeat over and over and over and over again which is WHY Madam Herta herself will be there because its almost SIMILAR to her SIMULATED UNIVERSE. The MC is going to "REWRITTE" the story of Amphorous creating NEW Memories and allowing the "ETERNAL" (infinite) Land (Loop) to finally close/continue.
Enigmata is the mortal enemy of the Remembrance and is changing/hiding the truth of Amphorous from US
Aka Agalea is the STORYTELLER and shes ONLY TELLING US what SHE wants US to know. Her entire thing is the Strings of Fate and Puppets. shes the one controlling the "Chess Board".
Also the EYE in the sky (sun) is a Stelleron which is WHY the disaster/loop is occurring. Ena "could" have brought it there once in order to bring ORDER to the land but after her assimilation with Xipe her "Eye" closed and nothing was keeping the Stelleron itself in check bringing an age of chaos and disaster
story stuff is no longer leaked since 2.0 so this is just theory but im like 99% certain this is gonna be the full plot tbh
@@jerryeljeremy7790 im from the future future of this timeline and 3.4 will be filler but 3.5-3.6/.7 will be the Fate/Unlimited Bladeworks Collab where the Remembrance "Summons/Servants" system is going to be for almost all the new collab characters and a new Collab planet
3.4 will be the Chinese New Year event so probs back to the Lofu AGAIN
Luofu incidence is just a special event while the main story also progresses..they will introduce us to fu hua..remember how we have two limited banner pulls simultaneously and not 1 new+1 rerun
Amphoreus seems to have A LOT in common with Teyvat (from Genshin Impact).
And interestingly, Teyvat might actually be the kind of "memetic world" you mentionned. Think about it Teyvat is a world where memories can be transformed into elemental energy, and where the wrong kind of memories (Forbidden Knowledge) can cause disease and destruction (we even saw it drive a giant dragon to madness) : isn't it exactly what you'd expect on a memetic world ?
Besides Amphoreus and Teyvat seem to have very similar early history : both were isolated worlds, with a greek themed Unified Civilization wrecked by a Black Tide / Forbidden Knowledge.
imo more a khaenriah thing, and even the amphoreus char anaxa resemble a khaenriah citizen in overall attire and theme
@@fanytiffany07 Anaxa is the most obvious connection between Genshin and Amphoreus, but far from the only one.
I like to think that, but HI3 brother. All return to Elysia in the end.
Not genshin, more on the q3 flames of hi3 like the elysian realm, since it can only be accessed through the mirror it maybe just memories like what elysian realm showed, so its more hi3 not genshin
@@sammy5480what's his connection to genshin? He is based on a flame chaser in hi3
Even the theory of escaping the looping situation is such a Hoyo signature. My guess is Hoyo will make the story different than Elysian Realm, since the characters resemble the Flamechasers so much that Hoyo probably knew players would think this will be another Elysian Realm.
Escaping the loop situation reminds me of how Hi3rd part 1 ended, with Kiana embracing a high entitity that controls her world. And we've seen Cyrene(Elysia expy) at the end of the trailer saying this will be a love story, my guess about this is that Cyrene will share the same fate as Kiana where she will take the blow to save or preserve her world. And maybe, we Trailblazers will come to save her
I think or maybe hope that the references to honkai impact 3rd are just references, itd a be nightmare to have to understand honkai impact just to get HSR. What I do hope is that its connected in some way (i mean welt and void archives is from that universe) but not in a significant enough way that you need to pre-read. Maybe im just being lazy and should start playing HI3rd 😂
@Maevix3142 I'm sure they wouldn't dare to make it too connected to Hi3rd(yet). But it'll be a good "love" story, surely everyone won't bawl their eyes out 👀
At least not till the crew meet an Aeon face to face, and the introduction of the Img Tree would be too early for the players to understand
@@Maevix3142You should start playing HI3!
@@kenkaneki3873 I tried reading the lore once, it seems like an insurmountable task 😂
I agree with everything you said and I have a extra reason why. Spoilers for hi3 flamechasers arc
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I'm assuming the story for amphoreus will have parallels to Elysian realm from hi3 because of two the two variants of Kevin (Phainon) and the Elysia (pink haired girl at the end)
In hi3 The Elysian Realm is a...memory? Kinda I forgot the actual term but basically the characters there existed in the form of data to train future heros to defeat the honkai (you can consider it as corruption/destruction of humanity). The characters could have sentient conversations but at the end of the day they were just memories of their past selves
I know they'll produce a new and great story but I think there might be parallels between both
While I'm convinced the original path before the world fell into chaos was Order (and I don't think it's one of the three paths); I think we know at least one path with certainty thanks to the Infinite symbol. It's going to be Oroboros/The Voracity. If you think I'm wrong consider for a moment that Oroboros is literally a Scylla from greek mythology and Ouroboros is a snake eating it's own tail in the shape of an infinite symbol. It's one of the paths we know surprisingly little of but intemperance/gluttony is something that does pop up in both greek and roman works & history.
Going to add something to my own speculation at 7:32 look to the left of the hand. Am I the only one that sees a fish or possibly a whale skeleton? Could Amphoreus actually be the location where Oroboros fell/disappeared to? Could the reason why Nous is so interested in all of this because it is information about the whereabouts of a missing Aeon?
But then Amphoreus is literally an anagram for "Amphitheatre", the first ever mention of Amphoreus was by Sparkle back in 2.1 Cosmodyssey event, the elation symbol is in the 12 titans symbols too, and Theatre, amphitheatres, and plays all originate from ancient Greece and are _huge_ things. Modern entertainment basically started in ancient Greece. Like, I think there's so many possible paths and this video misses the mark. They wouldn't ever theme two locations in a row with the same paths... Nihility, Harmony and Order are basically impossible.
I think that other than Remembrance which is confirmed, it can be a whole lot of things such as Elation (theatre, ancient greece), Beauty (portrayal of the beauty of the gods in ancient Greece, beauty portrayed in statues, sensuality, revealing clothes...), Destruction (wars of the Roman empire, Nanook's golden blood...), Erudition (massive advancements in Philosophy and science in Athens... Although I doubt it because Herta Space Station is based on it, not sure they'd bring it back so fast, probably just Herta meddling with the plot without Erudition being one of the 3 Amphoreus paths), and sure, Voracity is plausible too, but for me it's among the most unlikely ones compared to those other ones.
@@BenBeckmaneAmphoreus is absolutely not an anagram of Amphitheatre. An anagram uses the same letters meanwhile Amphoreus has zero Ts and Amphitheatre has zero Os.
@@breakfastsquad9871 I used the word anagram wrong, that's my bad, I meant more like a "reference", as in, a word that mixes other words to combine into one. I don't know if there's a more technical term for what I'm trying to say.
If you rewatch, one of the trailers you can see Herta talking with the Aeon of Erudition at the end of one of the trailers.
All I can think of is the Elysian realm. It is also not real rather it is a simulation of the stories of 13 heroes.. I honestly can't wait for Amphoreus
It 100% sounds like the Elysian Realm
i feel like we gonna land and simulate of what happened or something like this
My guess for the third path is destruction. The hand looks more like Nanook. The glow is very similar. And the narrator even references golden blood.
I think Herta's involvement might be related to HI3
Her space station has Himeko's sword as one of her curios so it's possible she's aware of HI3 and therefore noticed Amphoreus connection to the Flame Chasers, hence wanting to observe if they would undergo the same Fate as the HI3 Flame Chasers of the Elysian Realm
I don't think Herta is that aware of the events of HI3 but this would be so cool if true.
@@ussinussinongawd516 We don't know what Herta is or isn't aware of. She's one of the greatest minds in this dimension. And the Amphoreus trailer makes it seem like she knows enough to be observing Amphoreus - with keen interest.
@@ussinussinongawd516 Given that she has a glider from Genshin as one of her curios, she very well could know.
Himeko the drunk kidding
Ena was definetly there at some point, we can see the sun with Ena's colors in aphoreus trailer.
Someone on reddit mentioned that Amphoreus is a translation error. Not sure if it's true, but it would similar to Sampo saying Elation at the end of Belobog and it being translated into some other E word.
Supposedly the real name of the world of Omphalos.
6:31 i was thinking the reason why we're getting Remembrance TB right as we get into Amphoreus is because Fuli wants to keep a trace of how the fate of Amphoreus will change with the Trailblazer now thrown into the mix maybe bc, and that's thing into the other theory that the Aeons are split in two factions, the one that follow order and the one that follow chaos and order wants the universe to follow a set path while chaos wants the universe to freely chose ut's path.
So anyways mayeb Fuli has plans to use what the TB will do as a blueprint on how to force Aeons to let the universe strive it's own path.
i guess the video was so good i could understand where the video was going for before it even ended lol
That's... not quite what Order and Chaos mean. Chaos isn't freedom, rather Chaos leans into destruction and instability. And Order isn't necessarily control or a way of things, but stability.
SPOILERS FOR 2.7
I feel like the aeons that were involved were actually 4-then deduced to 3.
The first one might’ve been Ena the Order, signified by the eyes in the trailer. It was once said in the Simulated Universe that every civilization that Ena controlled was ultimately left into chaos-eventually collapsing to its final end.
Before Ena got absorbed, the shadow of IX the Nihility might’ve corrupted the planet, thus making the Titans and the mortals aggressive with one another. This is where I feel like the Erudition and the Remembrance steps in. During this time, I theorize that Ena already got absorbed by Xipe the Order.
The Remembrance crystalized the memories of the people inside that planet and made it into a memetic entity-this is where I think the 3 aeons will come into play.
- The Remembrance, crystalizing the memories, and letting outsiders (The Trailblazers) meddle with Fate-like an unknown variable mixed into an equation.
- The Erudition predicting how it ends with or without the Trailblazers, just like how we learned in the new Simulated Universe-that in the unknowable domain, that the future is unpredictable, given the fact that when unknown variables or “chaos” is added, it is hard to predict.
- The Nihility stating that everything will end eventually regardless if the ending is predictable or not.
*A thing to add here, Herta might be also be interested in Amphoreous because it is a bit similar to the Simulated Universe she created, and also similar to the story we experienced during the Unknowable Domain Expansion. I mean if we also look at their current situation, Amphoreous is THE counterpart of the Elysian Realm; and technically, the Elysian Realm is like the Simulated Universe itself.
But still, it’s my theory about the Aeons so please take this with a grain of salt.
*It might’ve also been confusing to read, but I really can’t explain it properly in English-so do bear with me. 😅
EDIT: Yeah, so Erudition was one of them confirmed by Screwllum in the new 2.7 story
I agree with you on the 4 aeons instead of 3 but I have different picks
- Ena of Order
The constant eye imagery and the fact that the world of Amphoreus was in constant "chaos" before Order was granted to it in the form of the core flames. Titans were born within the core flames which then ruled the planet.
- The Destruction
There's many things that hint towards Nanook being a player in this. Golden blood, chaos, etc etc
I also saw a theory about one of Nanook's Emanators (the one associated with chess) being in the trailer for Amphoreus, so there is that.
I bet good money that Nanook is behind things in Amphoreus. We might get another stellaron situation.
- The Remembrance
Very obvious. We are getting an entirely new path with it. Its also the reason we can get to Amphoreus in the first place.
I have many other things to say about it, but I'll move on.
- The Finality
Time. Time Rewinding is something I noticed in the 2.7 livestream about Amphoreus. The Finality is the only Aeon that focuses on Time. I really do think we will get it's appearance in Amphoreus.
Personally I think it's only 3 and I also disagree with the ones you picked.
- Remembrance is a no brainer, it's confirmed, literally new remembrance path and remembrance MC, the moment Black Swan said you need remembrance to reach Amphoreus, it was settled.
- NOT Nihility. Definitely not, Nihility has been explored so, so much in version 2 and was at the forefront. Same with Harmony and Order, it just can't be, they wouldn't repeat the same trope for two locations in a row.
- Elation... "Amphoreus" is an anagram for Amphitheatre. Theatre, plays, and those types of "entertainment" all come from ancient Greece. Back in 2.1 Cosmodyssey event, Sparkle claimed to be the "Divine Mecha on Amphoreus", which was the first ever mention of Amphoreus. The symbol of Elation is literally in the symbols for the 12 titans.
The tough choice is for the third one.
- Beauty. What is Ancient Greece and Greek Mythology known for the most other than creating the first democracy in Athens, their advancements in Philosophy, science and advancements in theatre and entertainment? Their depiction of beauty. Their sculptures of the gods, portraying perfect bodies, sensuality, etc. (won't say too much because I don't want my comment auto-deleted)
- Destruction. Just because the flowing blood looks like Nanook's blood, and the grim setting with the war and all, the references to wars with the Roman empire, Mydeimos and whatnot.
For me, Nihility is completely out of the equation and there's no way, Harmony and Order are impossible as well, Erudition is possible but unlikely, Destruction is highly likely, Elation is highly likely, Beauty is plausible.
Edit : I actually think Voracity is plausible too.
@@BenBeckmane while I do respect your opinion, I do think it isn’t entirely impossible as you say that the writers wouldn’t use an Aeon such as Ena to reoccur in a story. Look at the Propagation for example, it had been prominent throughout 1.3+ and even in Firefly’s backstory.
What I’m saying is that Ena might be possible as the one who created the Titans, but nothing more than that. Even the Order’s story that says “every civilization that she molded always turned into chaos” might be used as a foundation for the upcoming story-just as a context, totally not using them as a prominent aeon used in the story.
Still, it is just theories and opinions. That’s why I do advise you to use proper wordings in your sentences as it may seem off to others, let us always speak with the uncertainty as we wait for the story to unfold. 😊
@@BenBeckmane nah, disagree with you on "they wouldn't repeat the same trope for two locations in a row" because 1. they totally would. It's hoyo, their whole thing is repeating the same tropes over and over in all of their games. Actually, the whole Swarm Disaster in SU was kind of a spoiler for Penacony and Penacony is just repeating the old history. Even Amphoreus itself is a repeating the theme from hi3
And 2. I guarantee you the story about Harmony and Order is not over yet. I'm 100% sure that they left some important information out that they're going to explore on Amphoreus
And also who says we're limited to only three paths? We should already know that hoyo loooooves unreliable narrator bs, so we can't really trust what any character says until we see the whole picture lol. I bet there's more than 3, maybe a lot more even
@@brynefajardo2232 Yeah Ena is quite possible, that's true. The eye patterns and all. I would still find it a bit odd that they'd theme two locations in a row on the Order. But there's literally so many paths possible that it's tough to make the call.
Although, I'd also like to call out that the only 3 titan symbols that directly translate to path symbols are Order, Erudition, and Equilibrium. Not even Remembrance is there, but we know Remembrance is for sure, so I guess it doesn't tell much that there's the eye symbol.
I mean during the cocolia fight we get "we have a choice go fight against your fate"....
I heard of a fun theory that Amphoreus is the Homeworld of Ena. Which would explain why The Herta is personally involved in the story
I think another thing to remember is with fu xuan lore we know nous doesn’t give direct answers about the future to humans anymore because it always leads to their own downfall so maybe nous has perfect calculations and wants the cycle to break but if he tells that to anyone it could ruin everything
i believe its probably ena/finality, because one eye so far is ena's symbol, and the planet ena governed all fell apart like sigonia iv, so i believe amphoreus used to worship ena as well..
Not only what you said, as a HI3rd player, I can add the meaning of Elysia‘s existence. She is said to only exist to sacrifice herself to save humanity or in other words: change their fate. The whole chapter of the Elysian Realm is about them changing fate. It was all a simulation but they managed to overwrite what is supposed to happen. Imagine it like a program you constructed that will destroy itself someday but it suddenly doesn’t. Since she is such a mysterious figure and looks kind of underwhelming, I can imagine her ending up gathering all Coreflames of the Titans and just rewrite fate although it would mean the main focus would be on her and bot the MC.
It will be a storybook and the trailblazer will become it's story writer. Absolute peak
Given the classical Greek influences and the vibe of Amphoreus prior to the fall of the gods/ the sun falling asleep, I could be persuaded that the third path involved here is The Beauty. This is not only due to the idyllic way Amphoreus was portrayed, but also how the ideals of heroism seem to be intertwined with that path, and how the former age of heroes seems to be crying out for new heroes to rise and take their place.
Oh I alr thought it was a memory also isn’t the infinity symbol the “planet” like that’s what it’s gonna look like on the map when we go there in game. My guess is the remembrance, erudition forsure. And the eye looks like Ena eye from order. But they also talk about a golden flow which could be destruction. I don’t see the nihility.
I feel like the third path will be Hunt because there will be people who have one big goal of fighting fate (and so far everyone in the hunt has one big goal that they try to achieve).
Amphoreaus might be from amphorus meaning shapeless.which fits pretty well
also just to add to the stuff about the Garden protecting planets with the power of Remembrance, Moonshield is one such planet [yes, the planet we get some of our expedition materials from]
i dont think Amphoreus is like Moonshield, but i think they're both memetic in nature, just that Amphoreus has always been this way while Moonshield was recently reconstructed as a memetic location
I think your cooking, although a bit raw, but we can see part of it happening.
Solitary wave theory, the symbolism of theta, the revelation of the ninth day of Penacony, what do these three concepts have in common. The usage of theta to describe rotations and angles; theta also means the number nine in the Greek language. Waves can be described in complex exponential form with the wave equation Ae^(i[kx+wt]) where wt and kx represent the unit radians equivalent to theta that also represents radians.
Now what you missed is.. why would this world make us not worry about fuel anymore? You probably will answer: because it's a new world so bigger fuel, but I don't that's the case.
Perhaps Amphoreus "loop mechanism" makes our experience reset itself again and again, thus once we insert our silver rail there, it will re-placing itself again and again and so keep giving us fuels infinitely.
I’m having a feeling that black swan might be using trialblazers to test fate and aeons
I'm not that documented into the lore, but by watching more of these types of videos I asked myself where will Luocha and Jinlgu's plan will take place, cuz if it will be in Amphoreus than this might be the reason why remembrance will be there to capture the "killing" of an Aeon or the ascension of one(Ruan Mei). Don't take me seriously I just had a theory😅
I think it's Mythus the Enigmata, just a guess though
Rmc has a book and quill maybe to rewrite the story of Amphoreus? To prevent the destruction of Amphoreus and help them escape the loop?
this is just a guess but i think there's a possibility that fuli/remembrance will not be counted as one of the paths that black swan mentions. remembrance goal is to record memories (aka observe), so it might just be there as an observer of 3 aeons/paths colliding and how the people of amphoreus will decide their destiny.
The arm with the golden liquid reminds me of the Holy Grail from FSN.
Some people say that Amphorus is based on the Elysimum realm from hi3 ( so its a simmulation with people living in denial of their true nature and their death)
This new world i believe is a memory gang
if real it would add credit to the theory about the Drop of Wildfire to have summed up the (possible) broader plot of the game: "We made a choice, go fight against your Fate!!!"
I thought memory bubble too! Or perhaps a long since destroyed civillization that Fuli is keeping in existence with his power
I keep thinking its a loop and that when we break this loop all these people will just stop existing and literally just become a part of our memories or something. Like itd be pretty bittersweet (which i like) if we go through the trouble of breaking the deadlock and then as soon as we do the planet disappears or finality approaches. That would make a great opening to the dark side of the HSR universe
@Maevix3142 very possible! Interesting theory :D
I think the paths on amphoreus are remembrance,nihility and destruction.
Professional hitchhiker = black swan
Ouroborus is an Aeon and a primal dragonish both
I think Amphoreus is a part of the AEON OF BEAUTY. My thoughts
Your theory is interesting 🫡🫡🫡
I was thinking that maybe Amphoreus was something created/ruled by Ena, and when Xipe Absorbed it caused the "Black Tide".
And that the 3 Paths acting on it now are Rememberance, Mythus (as you said, Hiding the World perhaps) and the 3rd I considered to be Nous, because I feel like they've been giving some focus on it, besides the 2.7 Trailer, Herta is talking to Nous directly, and that makes me think that Mythus could really be involved.
In addition to an extra thought I had, with us getting the New Path so early, couldn't it happen that we get another Path too right at the end of the story? Even more so with this thing of having 3 Paths on Amphoreus... Well, just a lot of thoughts about everything
So even in hsr Flamechaser still a memory
It'd be hella lame if we get 2 "dream" planets back to back
What if the 3rd is Elasion and Sampo is travelling there to break the balance? :D because we love Elasion and Sampo :D
Remind me after the 3.3 storyline finally ends.
I think that planet will have a gateway to a new universe. Because how else will we summon servants from fate stay in a way that makes sense.
So..... What are stellaron hunter gonna do for these amporeus arc ? It cannot be a story without SH group
Every time I see the trailer, I cant help but think of the Elysian realm.
Because it is!
If it closely mirrors the Elysian Realm, then the HSR only players are in for some serious emotional damage.
@ we are coping THEIR ALIVE TRUST
I know there’s no evidence but what if Amphoreus was a planet Ena governed. In the trailer Amphoreus was described as an extremely chaotic planet before the titans arrived and which there was an age of prosperity until the planet eventually fell. Which is similar to what’s said with all the planets that Ena govern. Ena brought order to the chaotic planet of Amphoreus (said order was the creation of the titans) which caused Amphoreus to experience prosperity but eventually the planet fell into ruin just like every other planet Ena governed.
world = planet, they are synonyms. you kind of contradicted yourself there. Just think it is funny. lol
I wonder what is going to happen when we have two groups one well known for having a tragic fate and another known for changing fate clash. lol
Seeing how the Nameless presence will change up the fate of flame chasers will be enjoyable to see.
The part of the prophecy that brings up nameless has me curious on how it will play out. Will the trailblazer change tragedy into hope? or will it all be inevitable.
This is a common theme with the trailblazer specifically I've noticed. Their existence changes fate. If not by choices, then by butterfly effect. Similar to the concept of somebody going back in time and how just existing changes the events that play out.
Insane (and true) Black Swan shade being thrown around here
What if... Amphoreus is an allegorical world made to represent the Aeon war? I mean, Aeons are THE gods in the hsr universe, and there's no other species like them. It might function like Nahida's scaramouche fairytale memory back in his story quest
Can you spoil the next Blade rerun
I heard itll be out in 10.6 but not confirmed yet
My main thought for the three paths involved with Amphoreus are: Rememberence (because we are getting that path), Destruction (because the visual and dialogue about the golden blood is too big of a thing for it to not have him involved), and Erudition (Herta is personally getting involved and in the 2.7 trailer we see her at least speaking with the Simulated Universe Nous, so that has to point to something the real Nous would want).
Agreed for destruction but not Erudition. Herta can get involved in the plot without Amphoreus being a path there. And, Erudition is already the theme of Herta Space Station, and I highly doubt they'd base two locations on the same paths so early. That eliminates Erudition (Herta Space Station), Hunt and Abundance (Xianzhou), and Harmony, Order, Nihility (Penacony).
Instead it could be Finality (going against fate to free Amphoreus from some "loop", because of the infinity symbol, and Elysian realm in HI3), Elation ("Amphoreus" being an anagram of "Amphitheatre", Sparkle being the first character to mention Amphoreus, the elation symbol in the 12 titans, ancient Greece being the land of theatre and the start of amphitheatres and modern entertainment), voracity (Ouroboros in Greek Mythology, giant creatures, gluttony...), Beauty (the portrayal of the "perfect" bodies of the gods, namely in the statues/sculptures, sensuality, revealing clothes in Ancient Greece), and of course, destruction (war, spartans reference, Roman Empire wars, Nanook's blood, etc..)
I would call Remembrance, Elation and Destruction, that's my guess. But I could see Elation being Beauty or Finality instead...
Celenova is in amphoreus
@@BenBeckmane I don't know what story you played but Herta Space Station kind of had nothing to do with Nous. Sure Herta is the emanator of erudition and thus a connection to Nous but the Aeon hasn't made an appearance in main story just yet. And the station is very focused on Herta alone, only time we see it is in Simulated Universe which I really don't count too much as an actual appearance. So I still feel that Nous could tell Herta to go there for something.
I do agree that most of the ones that already made an appearance most likely wont be showing up in Amphorious. But I feel its still too early for Finality and Voracity since I think those will be saved for much later (Finality will most likely be when we start dealing with Elio and the stelleron hunters and Ouroboros feels like a bigger threat that should be focused on later).
As for Elation, I think Aha will always be around but never directly involved like how Sampo was in Belobog and Xianzhou and Sparkle was in Penacony. Though If we do get some real involvement with Elation then expect 5 star Sampo to show up and be the emanator of that path (Unless my wild theory that Sampo is actually just Aha playing along for fun).
I also don't want to put TOO much weight on HI3 stuff since, while yes Acheron has some reference or parallels to things, her story is very different to how HI3 Mei's story goes.
Who knows we could both be completely wrong.
This is exaclty my theory too
I went into your mind as a memokeeper and took it 😂
@@Maevix3142 irl memo keeper
When Galaxy Ranger video again
elysiam realm theory is true, oh maa gad🤣🤣
If you know the story of the flamechasers from Hi3rd then hoyo might do some similarities with this one, like hua, fu hua's expy moving out to become the marshal of the xianshou alliance, griseo becoming a star traveler after leaving probably becoming a leader of a different world, su's expy might have went with hua or simply had a different fate like turning into yaoshi, if amphorieus is just a preserved memory of the previous world right before destruction and some of the chrysos heirs did leave it to survive, then I'm gonna bet that the real kevin expy became the aeon of destruction or it might be kalpas expy who did so....while the actual kevin of hsr is somewhere else.
It would suck if we went to another dreamworld. Please no more
Exactly. I want the characters to be exist
What's wrong about it ? As long as it's a good story they can make 100 of them. But it won't be like that. Also the dream world was real lmao and all the people in it were real. So it's not the same at all. Just because it's not real doesn't mean it's not important, meaningful or even inpactful...
If you really can see the meaning behind something like this means that you are not a fan of stories or books.
One thing I like to ask to someone playing HSR is if they real the story of SU when you play it, if you don't it a clear indication that you don't like to read stories and you just want to play the game. Nothing wrong with that but please don't say stuff lore when you don't even engage in it.
I don’t think it’s a dream world, but I don’t think it exists in reality anymore, or it it’s somehow trapped outside the confines of time, that’s why it is only visible through the prisms of the memokeepers. A world which is trapped in a time loop or bubble where time ceased to flow, or is reset after following the same thing over and over, a Samsara event. 13 Flame Chasers who fight against fate over and over to be defeated, and require the assistance of outside forces to overcome.
I just don’t want the story end up where they already die and what we have is only their memories. I hate that kind of story.
@Poisonlover323 But why... stories like that are meaningful to our characters. I don't think learning about the past of Amphoreus is a bad thing. If they do the story well we will enjoy it. Also I think the characters are memories of the past that took physical form like how memokeepers don't have a body but still can appear in a physical form like Black Swan
Remembrance, Enigmata, and Nous are the Aeons there. Destruction and Ena might have played a role but no longer are there and since we are going to go through the "Memory" of Amphorous and the "Flamecore" Hero's they arent actually their anymore. Its just a memory on repeat over and over and over and over again which is WHY Madam Herta herself will be there because its almost SIMILAR to her SIMULATED UNIVERSE. The MC is going to "REWRITTE" the story of Amphorous creating NEW Memories and allowing the "ETERNAL" (infinite) Land (Loop) to finally close/continue.
Enigmata is the mortal enemy of the Remembrance and is changing/hiding the truth of Amphorous from US
Aka Agalea is the STORYTELLER and shes ONLY TELLING US what SHE wants US to know. Her entire thing is the Strings of Fate and Puppets. shes the one controlling the "Chess Board".
Also the EYE in the sky (sun) is a Stelleron which is WHY the disaster/loop is occurring. Ena "could" have brought it there once in order to bring ORDER to the land but after her assimilation with Xipe her "Eye" closed and nothing was keeping the Stelleron itself in check bringing an age of chaos and disaster
story stuff is no longer leaked since 2.0 so this is just theory but im like 99% certain this is gonna be the full plot tbh
Second era alter
Pretty sure is enigmata
The fictional fault
i refuse
A couple of days ago, I shared a comment on an HSR Instagram account about a theory I had that Amphoreous, being a place that can only be reached “through Remembrance”, will happen INSIDE the Simulated Universe. The characters released in the main story patches always have relevance to the main story. Why is THE Herta the first main story patch related character revealed into a new “world” that has nothing to do with her and her goals? I have a theory that all of this is a Simulated Universe experience and since we know from that last few new Simulated Universe expansions that it’s unstable, the way to make it “safe” for the trailblazers going in it is to “familiarize” the characters they meet through their memories, Remembrance. Since people are claiming that Aglaea’s outfit is similar Himeko maybe it’s because the Simulated Universe used a memory of the trailblazers to tell Aglaea’s story through Himeko’s “image”. Other examples I thought of was that Tribbie, one of the new characters, rumored to have the child model like Bailu (if HSR wanted to make more child models, why wait this long?), Mydei rumored to have an HP thing like Blade (maybe taken from Dan Heng’s memory?), Casterice rumored to wield a scythe, her design having purple AND butterflies (like Seele).. AND it could also “explain” the Kevin Kaslana and Elysia EXPY, and the “Flame Chaser’s Story” from Honkai Impact 3rd THROUGH Welt’s memory. Just a little thought I had.
I didn't know who Elysia was at the time of watching the trailer, so when the very last shot of her in the field of wheat came on, my first thought was "March?"
And right now that's making me think. Is it possible that March is an expy of her or something, and would thus ordinarily be doomed to meet her fate? Maybe we could learn something about that in Version 3, and that's how they'll tie her to Fuli's appearance in the story?
March can't be an Elysia expy because Elysia was literally in the trailer lol
@@kenkaneki3873 March's past is tied to Remembrance and the Garden of Recollection, it's not impossible that she's Elysia's expy. But I think it's highly unlikely. Still, there's this quote "Set her in motion, Cifera the Fleet-Footed. Command the frozen time to once again flow." which could be a reference to like, "unfreezing" March 7th and uncovering her past or something. I'm probably just wafflin though. March 7th's real name _could_ be "Cyrene" like the girl shown there, it's not impossible. Very unlikely, but could be.
@@BenBeckmane Expy means that the character looks exactly the same and is by all means the same character which March is not.
Cyrene looks like Elysia, has the same voice actor and says the same dialouge as her.
Just like how Phainon is Kevin.
@@kenkaneki3873 I agree, a thing to note too is that expy’s Jap VAs are the same as their original character, thus confirming that it is in fact not March.
@@kenkaneki3873 "The same character" is a bit of a stretch when they have different names, slightly different looks, and different backstories. As far as I know there's nothing that necessarily disproves that March 7th could be an alternate universe version of Elysia who lost her memories.
But sure, I get what you mean, I don't think March 7th is Elysia either in the end.
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