Sony A7IV | 20 Best & Worst Features On Sony's latest Mirrorless Camera
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- Опубліковано 23 сер 2024
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Ah yes, quiet places. Weddings, events....concerts....
😂😂
Well not those concerts lol...but my kids have "concerts" but I guess they are more like stage performances, plays or recitals if you want to be specific where shutter sounds are distracting
Absolutely killed it with this video. Did not know the A7 IV shoots 120fps HD in 8-bit only. Good to know. Still waiting on those new cameras to come out to see if the price on this model falls.
Keep crushing it as always, Dan.
Appreciate that!!! Glad it helped
The Pros outweigh the Cons. I preordered it and it’s my first full frame camera coming from an apsc.
Definitely in agreement there!
Same here!
You‘ll love it, great camera to get into fullframe
there are no cons, the only disappointment is the 33mp, because it makes no difference from the a7iii 24mp, if you want this camera for photography you’re getting scammed, those 33 mp cannot be seen and it’s only a marketing play
@@Archonsx Shutter sound, low res LCD, 10fps(only in compressed), cropped 4K 60 and one type a slot are such minor things to be fixed if you raise that price that much… would have made this camera a nobrainer for everyone to recommend. Instead Sony opted for a slightly better version that the competition. Sad to see the cripple hammer caught up to them as well for profit … no longer the disruptive camera manufacturer
Finally Someone who talks fps. As a upgrade from a7iii its slower than a 4 year old camera. Thank you for talking about it.
The crop in 4k 60 would be a benefit for me for wildlife work at a distance... super excited to get my hands on this - thanks for the awesome review
Your content was definitely helpful. I am only missing time sections in your videos. This is very important for me and would improve your work significantly
1080p 120 fps only 8-bit? That's weird, I see you're showing the Record Settings and it's missing, but how about in the S&Q Mode? Did they only allow it there?
It looks like they do allow it in S&Q. I tested it in 4k but didn't check s&q in 1080p but looked now and you can shoot 1080p 10bit in S&Q only
@@learningcameras That is a weird workaround, losing audio, but still we get 10-bit in 1080p 120fps. Thanks for checking fo me, mate!
Totally agree with you about the shutter closing on power off. I am careful but nearly always have to deal with dust in post with my A7 III. I check and clean the sensor before every major shoot. I have literally never had any dust showing on images shot on my A1. It is a big time saver.
Why would anyone not want this?
Why would this have ever been left out?
I really expected the back LCD screen would be the more (Sony) standard 1.44M display. So I was a little surprised when it was announced that the screen was only 1M. Doesn't make sense to me.
Same
For what you’re getting $2500 is a fair price . The Canon R6 is similarly priced and I think this is a better buy . I don’t use Sony anymore, but I had the A7III and A7RIII before going back to Nikon . However , this looks like a great buy . I’d have no issue purchasing the A7IV. I like the resolution bump . It’s a sweet spot for a sensor .
Which Nikon camera did you switch to? Wondering what (other than Z9) could be better than A7RIII.
@@sinhafamily Well , it’s not about better , but rather better for me . I have the the Z6II and Z5 . I just enjoying using them more for work and play . However , that’s for my user case .
You answered the question I've been trying to ask the most. 120p still being 8bit is a deal breaker for me, sadly
Its 8 bit ? Didn't even know, oh men that is sad
That’s what the a7siii is for
you can shoot 10 bit 120fps in 1080. it will be in S&Q mode with no sound is the trade off.
Hi Dan. Nice video. Regarding the multiple ppl issue, If ur attending a wedding, and u need to shoot the wedding coouple with guests, isnt it better to use the Zone mode but with Face recognition ON? I mean, before we start the session, wouldn't it be better to atleast have the bride and the groom faces registered?
how about we stop trying to get dof and shot more open all in focus
Thanks Dan for honest review. The Issues (I) Worst Lcd's resolution 1.03 millions dots from 0.94 millions dots in Sony a7iii. we already hate Sony a7lll screen. (II) only 6fps Uncompressed or Lossless Raw. (III) Rolling shutter issues in video and Still in silent shutter. (IV) Loud Mechanical shutter sound is worst for Press conferences photographer in quiet environment. Because of distortion silent shutter is not worth to use and worst sensor reading for electronic. (V) 8 bits for 120p. (VI) 4k60p in 1.5 crop at least it is good only 1.02 or 1.01 crop..
Very detailed review, thanks!
Great video as always! That dust thing is such a serious issue on Sony cameras. I had my a7c for three months ended up getting a dust particle on the sensor. Try to remove it by the internal settings which didn’t work and then using a hand dust blaster which didn’t work. Two days later that same particle ended up being underneath the sensor and impossible to remove unless you dismantle the camera. It had to be sent back to Sony for repairs.
Yikes! I once had a dust particle stuck to the sensor. The hand dust blaster didn't work. What worked was using a single strand from a very fine optical cleaning brush and carefully wiping off the dust particle so that I can then blow it off with the hand dust blaster. Worked like a charm.
Thank you for a more honest coverage of the camera
Great video thank Dan :).
Good stuff Dan! I got one to complement my a7s3 and love both of these little sexy creatures!
Super helpful video as always
Great video Dan. Are you planning on comparing this camera with the R6/R5 for video work?
I am but probably not until the beginning of December
Thank you, Dan! Excellent review! I've been using the A7III since it's introduction and it is just fine for most of my photographic needs. I don't shoot video so I don't care about about all the improvement there. I do like all the improvements made to ergonomics, auto focus, sensor resolution and EVF resolution. The main reason I have not jumped at upgrading is the very thing many people are raving about -- the flip screen! I would only find that useful for the occasional portrait. I shoot mostly in landscape orientation and often at waist level for travel photography. The screen flipped out the side is awkward and impractical and I can imagine especially, if using a neck strap, downright clumsy. So far my favorite screen implementation , was the articulating screen on the A99 which also had built in GPS which I loved for travel photography. I find the cell phone connectivity for GPS, with the A7III not so reliable. Those are things no one cares about I suppose.
If he's invited to a release party it's an advertisement, not a review.
I would love to know if there are things less good than it’s predecessor, the A7 III. Is the rolling shutter the same, better or worse? The A7 III did 10 frames per second, is the A7 IV less fast with SD, in lossless compressed RAW or uncompressed RAW? What about the buffer between the two? Is the screen and EVF better than the A7 III?
I am coming from the A7 III and all the reviews sound like there are some things are worse on the A7 IV.
Thank you!
So the only negatives I can think of are that yes, rolling shutter is technically slightly worse given more pixels, both were 10fps but the A7IV has more pixels so the buffer fills faster (unless you use CFexpress). Otherwise it's all positives. The screen and EVF are better than the A7III. We just had high expectations for this camera since it had been 3 years and the A7III was amazing so it fell a bit flat of those lofty expectations in a few areas which can make some things sound more negative than they actually are. Plus in those 3 years, the competition got better
Yes the A7iv only does 6 fps with lossless / uncompressed raw vs 10 fps in the A7iii.
@@davidnaylor83 that kinda s*cks..
Good Video!, what about the menu guide you've mentioned? any plans to release that video soon? cheers
Thanks Dan for your coverage on the Sony A7IV - really appreciate it! At 13:35 you mention the A7RIV in comparison. As someone who already owns the A7SIII and A7RIV would you recommend getting the A7IV instead of the RIV for the 10bit Video (which works great with the A7SIII together), hardware/menu and most important AF improvements? 33 MP is still plenty - so that's not the most important for me.
If you also shoot video, I would indeed consider getting the A7IV instead of the A7RIV. If you aren't shooting video, I definitely wouldn't sell the A7RIV. I'm personally planning on selling my RIV now that I have the A7IV simply because the A7IV is good enough for me for photos and I will absolutely use the A7IV as a B camera for video
Another great video. Thank you!
I would LOVE to hear more about heat performance. Can you use this camera to shoot two-hour lectures or other events like live music or stage plays that could last two hours? Can I shoot a 3-hour interview without stopping? Does it overheat LESS in APS-C than it does in FF? I suspect this is the case because a smaller part of the sensor is used and also does not require 7k over sample. THANKS so much for you great videos!!!
Dan, thanking you big time for all your latest content. I'm trying to decide between the FX3 and the A7iv. I'm jumping back in to the Photo/video world and will mostly be shooting Moto Travel/adventure footage. I suspect I'll spend more time on the video side but will still be shooting stills. I was worried about the rolling shutter and 4K60 crop on the A7iv but maybe it's not a big deal. I'd really appreciate your thoughts on which would be the best choice. Cheers from Canada.
Appreciate that James! If you are only shooting video, the FX3 is great. I still wish it had a bit more resolution so we also had a crop mode but otherwise I love it. But if you also want to shoot photos, that's where a hybrid camera like the A7IV is a big win. Rolling shutter is only a problem with fast pans so you just need to limit those if or you will notice the rolling shutter. The 4k60 crop is livable except when shooting wide angle which is where you either need APSC lenses just for that or to only shoot 4k24 for wide angle shots
The closeup shots of the IV are amazing. What did you shoot this with?
Thanks! Broll was shot on the Sony A7SIII
What I love about the A7iii is the ability to use crop mode in video. What I hate about the A7Siii is the inability to do so. The 1.5 crop in 4K 60 on the A7IV doesn’t really bother me because I rarely shoot 4K 60 anyway.
Ditto.
and there will be plenty of people where it will do.
I agree...I am glad we have the crop mode...but even cameras like the R6 have both the crop mode and full frame 4k60 so it's not like we can only have 1. Anything over I think 18mp can have both a crop and full frame 4k and I wish Sony had gone larger resolution with either the SIII or FX3...no need to have both use the same sensor
Have you tried it for zoom calls yet?
Hi dan...
I need info about the details of the animal in wildlife photography.. Plz respond 🙏🙏🙏
Nice video! What lens did you use at 12:13 ?
Thanks!!! That was with the 50mm F1.2 with 4k60 so it was using the crop factor
Hi Dan - would you say the shutter sound of the A7 IV is even louder than the A7sIII?
sony a9 vs a7IV will be appreciated :o)
Dan in Super 35mm mode in 1080HD I think the Image is sharper than in 1080HD full frame mode.
great as always by dan watson
Thanks for your honest opinions. The viewfinder quality is a let down as I think this will age the camera faster as better screens become more common. I will try to take notice of this when I can hold the camera. The VF is very important to me as it is your main photography view and video for my uses.
Great video, just a bit unorganized. I got lost midway into the video about what your overall position about the camera really was
Interesting few weeks with Sony releasing this camera and its reception and Nikon announcing the Z9. Im hoping the expeed 7 is dropped into a Z8 at £/$2500 that would really would be interesting.
If there is a Z8 I'd expect it to be $4000-4500. Considering it would be competing with the Canon R5. A Z7III will probably be $2999 like the Z7II.
@@mluu83 unless they follow the same blueprint as the Z9 and price it cheaper without the shutter.
Brilliant review Dan. Massive fan of your channel
Appreciate that!
@@learningcameras your very welcome 😊
Part of me wishes that preorders are below their expectations, so that hopefully Sony’s compelled to release a firmware update. I think the general consensus is that a lot of people are on the fence on this camera, and that doesn’t bod well for Sony. Time will tell!
At £2500 for crop 4K its not as much of a pull as it could have been. It will sell but it wont be anywhere near as successful as the A73.
Hey Dan, thanks for the update! Quick question: I want to upgrade from my a7iii, i shoot only still photography, focus on fine art and fashion. I am torn between the a7Riv and the a7iv. What would you choose?
If you only shoot photography, technically the A7RIV is better but only marginally so I'd only buy the A7RIV if you get it on a good sale under $3000...which it is on sale right now if you jump on it! bhpho.to/3xDYHfL
Great review, unbias, complete review.
Left you a sub, perfect bro! 🌊
Finally someone calls out that terrible rear screen.
Awesome & Thanks :)
Man i love this camera… but i hate the continuous shooting being low when uncompressed raw is an effect. If you have to choose between the a7IV, a7r3a, or the a7RIV which would it be today? I shoot family, weddings, event and single portraits.
Hi 👋
I shoot portraits and concerts. Image quality is important to me. I shoot mostly for hobby purposes. I am using Fujifilm Xt4 but the image quality is not happy. I'm thinking of the medium format Fujifilm 50 S II, but the camera's AF point is slow and the focus is slow compared to the aps c sensor and full frame, and the camera's lenses are very expensive …. I'm considering Sony A7 R IV for reasons such as:
Sony A7 R IV is an old model but we see successful business results in the photo . What do you think would be the right choice between the 2 machines? Thank you.
UHSH II v60 is still fine to have the beST quality video and buffer ? Or should i buy an V90 Uhs 2 ?
Always v90 uhs2 on all newer cameras
Hey Dan!
I’m a wedding photographer in Banff Alberta! I shoot with the A7riv right now and I’m thinking of getting the a7iv as my second camera (my hubby uses the other A7riv). My question for you is will I be happy? My hopes are the 7iv will perform better in the lower light situations and potentially have improved autofocus. I originally got the Riv for the megapixels as we shoot a lot of big landscape shots with our couples. I don’t do video.
Thanks ☺️
Hey! I actually think the A7IV is an awesome B camera to the RIV. The A7IV is slightly better in low light and absolutely does have improved AF and a few other features that you might appreciate. It also is way better for video in case you need to film some BTS. And over 30MP should be plenty even for those crazy landscapes you guys have in Banff!
@@learningcameras Thanks for the reply! This makes me feel so much better as I pick it up in a week! Completely trust your opinion!
Hey Dan
Is this camera worth buying? Overheating, poor battery performance. Some people report an orange tint. Love your videos.
Hey! I do think it's still worth buying but the Canon R6II has a few advantages if you aren't stuck with Sony. I can overheat the A7IV but it does take a little while and I have to be in direct sunlight. I don't think the battery performance is a problem and I haven't seen the orange tint. I still use my A7IV a ton for photos especially, and the only reason I don't use it more for video is that I use 4k60 a lot so not having it full frame is an issue for me.
@@learningcameras Thank you...
Yeah, but coming from 7iii, we had no 4k 60 at all. Cropped sucks, but 10bit 422 makes up for it I think. The ability to grade BILLIONS of colors (for me) out weighs the crop at 4k 60... but i can't stand the rolling shutter and will be upgrading to the Siii instead of the 7iv
If anyone can help im a newbie buying into a system so it's either
R6
A7IV
S5
any input much appreciated thanks!
I couldn't agree less about the shutter sound. I had an a7iii from when it came out until last week when I upgraded to the a7iv, and the second thing I loved about it after the improved grip was the solid sound and feel of the shutter! I can't think of many situations where you'd feel you'd have to use the mechanical shutter that are sensitive to the noise (unless the Happy Couple insist on tossing a basketball to each other as they run up the aisle). Hate the noise: turn it off.
So you can't just "turn it off". Turning off the shutter sound means shooting electronic shutter. Cameras like the A7IV will exhibit rolling shutter with fast moving subjects and banding in some bad artificial lights so it isn''t advisable to use silent shutter in a lot of circumstances unless you have a stacked CMOS sensor like the A1, R3, and Z9
4k60p crop, low fps, rolling shutter, 1.03M screen...Too many compromises at this price point in 2021 given the success of R6, let alone A7iii's.
Yes, I can't help feeling disappointed. Especially the low fps with lossless / uncompressed raw, something every other Canon / Nikon has done since forever.
@@davidnaylor83 Force of cripple hammer is too strong with camera cartels.
I would’ve hoped they’d at least match the r6 in some key specs (video recording options in 10 bit, evf and back screen resolution), but the most important thing to me is Dans last point about image quality. If we get as good an image for both stills and 4k24 video as reviewers are saying, I can forgive all these compromises.
Amazing review!
Thanks!
Small request information asking sir Sony a7iv 120 fps eye focus features ?
Thanks for the video!
*What do you think about using the Samyang 12mm E lens for the 4K60 crop mode on the A74* . . .?
I personally haven't used it but it will help you get the wide angle back at least
@@learningcameras Excellent! Which exact Samyang 12mm E Lens (I saw several different ones) are you guys talking about. Is there a Sony comparable?
@@chuckm482 This one: bhpho.to/3sEoYdm
But keep in mind this will only work in the APSC crop mode
I find the shutter sound satisfying I can't lie
Where is that menu guide for a74? I was hoping to find it...
Almost finished...took WAY longer than I expected. The A7IV is one of the most complex menu's with plenty of confusing features to make matters worse lol
A 7 M4 vs R3 which camera is best option wedding photography ...?
Sir, I'm not getting the feature 'picture effect'. Please help me to get it.
It they got 4k60 FF I would already got this on preorder. Now I'm just thinking :).
Same!
1- What about black out screen during continous shooting?
2- When you use SD cards, as i understood, buffer is behind Z6II right?
hey dan I notice the price range is well within the realm of the canon r6 and I'm a massive hybrid shooter. So between those two what you recommend? in your opinion.
Yeah, definitely tough call. I'd say Sony has more lens options, more features, and higher resolution so overall it is better. But the R6 does have a better LCD screen, 4k60 full frame, and higher frame rates
How Many storage / go should i have to film One hour of 4k60 4.2.2 10 bits All intra ?
You say that for you 160go isn’t enough. I’ m concerned about that
Hi, congratulations for the very interesting video. I'd like to ask you a question. For me the stabilization of a camera is very important because I make all my documentaries around the world freehand, without tripods and without stadyshot. If I had to buy the Sony A7 IV and the Sony FE 24-105mm f / 4 G OSS, could the two stabilizations, both of the camera and that of the lens, work together and in synergy? Do you think the Sony A7 IV with Sony FE 24-105mm f / 4 G OSS might be the right camera for me or is it better that I look to another camera with better stabilization? Thank you very much
Thanks! So yes, the A7IV and the 24-105 would be a perfect kit for that. Technically the Canon R6 or R5 have better stabilization if that's the BIGGEST concern, but I think that setup would be absolutely fine for doc work especially if you put the camera in a cage with a grip to give you some better handling. The A7IV has an "active mode" for some additional stabilization which I will use with longer lenses since my coffee infused hands shake like crazy lol
@@learningcameras Thanks a lot for your info. But if you use some additional stabilization, will you lose a bit image quality? Is there a crop if you use additional stabilization? Thanks
@@ExploringWorldUA-cam So there is no perceivable quality loss when using the active stabilization mode although it works best when you are not doing any pans or gimbal moves while using it. There is about a 1.1x crop so almost nothing. Sony does also record gyro data from the camera so you can stabilize in post more effectively. This does take time and will crop in post though so technically you lose quality there but it's an option
@@learningcameras Ok, but if you add 1.1 crop for additional stabilization + 1.5 crop for 4K 50p 10bit, the number grows to 2.6 crop. Is it right or do I make a mistake? I thank you so much.
@@ExploringWorldUA-cam so no... Even if you are shooting with 4K60 in the crop mode WITH advanced stabilization on, the most the crop factor would be is 1.6x instead of 1.5x
You concern me with that open sensor
Imo 4k 60p cropped having 10 bit is better than it being not cropped and 8 bit on this camera. It even has intra
Is the 20-25 shots buffer size (with SD cards) lossy compressed or uncompressed RAW? I am mainly interested in shooting lossy compressed RAW to both slots simultaneously (with fast SD cards), but a 20 shots buffer wouldn't work for me.
Would love to know this, too. Currently I'm shooting some sports with my A7 III (compressed RAW on one card, small JPEGs on the other) and I'm curious, if the buffer of the A7 IV fills up faster than on the Mk. III
That's with compressed RAW because with uncompressed or lossless compressed, you can only shoot 6fps and not 10fps. You could definitely do compressed RAW to a CFexpress and full size JPEG to the SD card and shoot 100's of shots most likely
@@learningcameras That's interesting to hear. Lee Zavitz was getting about 70 compressed RAWs to a V90 before the buffer filled up, but he was on "Hi mode", which I think is 8 fps, not on Hi+. He was also on RAW + Fine JPEG, while Dan was on RAW + Extra Fine JPEG, which could make a difference. Actually, Petapixel review claims that the buffer size with a Sony TOUGH SF-G was 25 frames when shooting compressed RAW + JPEG (same as Dan), but in RAW only (without any JPEGS) it was 91 frames.
Thanks a lot to both of you!
Question. Does this camera shoot the type of slow mo that plays back right in camera?
It absolutely can. You need to use the S&Q mode
Hi Dan awesome video thank you. What are some of those "worse" things you find from this A7IV now, but you think Sony will or could most likely upgrade in the future? I'm looking at many reviews and comments from other youtubers including you and I'm not sure if this camera is the one for me based on some of those negative points you brought up. I'm not sure if I should pull the trigger on this camera and hope some of those features will get upgraded via firmware later on. As a matter of fact I was planning on recording video in 1080p 10bit but this camera like you said it doesn't have that :-( What can you say about stuff like that?
Also someone told me that the Fuji XT4 is better because it is a more responsive camera and has a faster sensor readout and it performs better with that rolling shutter issue. What's your opinion on that?
So definitely keep in mind that even though I found a few "worse" things here, those exist on other cameras too so definitely keep in mind the grass isn't always greener haha. But I think about half of these Sony COULD fix via firmware if they wanted to. The more they see videos like this and people talking about it the more likely they are to put the effort into doing it! I still think this is one of the best cameras for sale today though if you want 1080p 10bit, the A7SIII is amazing with 1080p
@@learningcameras Thanks for your quick input you are awesome!
Currently have the Sony A7R3..skipped the upgrade to the A7R4..I am considering this camera as a second body..but truly waiting on the A7R5...lol from this camera all the specs and more with the A7R5..one of the things I hope Sony does with the A7R5 is that option of being able to select Large, Medium, Small Raw files..im sure they will still keep the megapixel around the same as the A7R4..so this option is definitely needed..c mon Sony..
So eye autofocus can work just with one person at a Time?
Best: updated auto focus.
Worst: low frame rate when shooting lossless raw + cheapo screen.
Agree. 4k 60p crop is def not the worst feature because its hybrid and on that side its quite fine. Sony a7iii was nicer release because it was solo release comparing to other models. Now it was not that much of a solo release when there was 2-3 releases before this year
I wonder what is the impact of using lossy compressed on the quality, or is it only flexibility playing with the RAW files.
Very little unless you are shooting things like the night sky with extremely small gradients of color ...thats when uncompressed makes a difference
Hi sir, please reply 🙏
Is sony A74 a good choice for real estate videography!?
Does rolling shutter effect the same!
Rolling shutter doesn't matter too much for real estate...mostly for fast pans and real estate I tend to do slow pans if anything. The only problem for real estate video is that I personally like to shoot it in 4k60 with wide angle lenses and the camera has a crop mode in that. The solution would be to shoot 4k30 or to use wide angle APSC lenses when using 4k60
@@learningcameras
Ok thank you so much sir 🙏
Can u please create a couple of minutes real estate video from A74.
Searched searched there are no videos regarding the same
Does anyone know if it is possible to shoot lossless raw to a CFexpress card + compressed raw to an SD card? What frame rate would that give you?
Can you please tell if A7IV have some differences in video specs using external HDMI recorders Ninja V for example? Can it output FHD 120 10 bit 4:2:2 to HDMI?
So that is a recorder limitation to my knowledge but no, you can't go above 60fps to the recorders anyway so definitely no option for 120fps 10bit. Plus Sony will output with the same bit depth as the internal recording
Preordered the A7IV but if the r6 gets a really good discount on black friday might have to go with that
R6 at $2000 by Christmas time would be pretty sweet.
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If you have more money there are some other options but this is on an awesome sale around $1000
Is there a optical low pass filter ?
A 1.5x crop for 4k 60 at that price range is outrageous
I agree not including it was a big mistake
The Panasonic GH5 from 2017 was launched at $2000 for a micro four thirds sensor that shoots 4k 60p. Here we have A7IV in 4k 60p supercrop mode, still bigger than M43, with 4.8k over sampled video plus class leading AF tracking and full frame 4k down sampled from 7k.... and you say the price is outrages? Go see a shrink buddy.
Keep A7III then
@@sosomelodies659 well, there are 2 cameras currently under $2500 that do have full frame 4K60 so keep that in mind. Plus both of them came out long before the A7IV
@@learningcameras but are they offering 33mp or 4k video downsampled from 7k? Super crop 4k is a sticking point for some but not for others. To harp on this point alone and not truly appreciate the other attributes is pointless.
Sold all my dslr equipment (nikon). This year is very to switch to mirrorless so many brand to choose from. Being said, price being considered. Is sony a7iv worth the price compare to nikon z6ii? Thanks
Probably yes, if you care about autofocus and video especially. The Z6II offers amazing image quality though and great ergonomics so if that's all that matters and you'd prefer to save $500, it's a great camera
@@learningcameras thanks for your insight. I also considering the lens options with sony, which is a lot compare to nikon.
How does the oversampled 4K on the a7iv look compared to the oversampled 4K from the a1?
So technically the A1 actually pixel bins but because it has a crazy fast readout speed and a perfect 4-1 pixel bin, it actually looks amazing even though it isn't oversampled. There should be no noticeable difference unless you zoom in past 200% in which case the A7IV should be ever so slightly more detailed.
@@learningcameras Thanks for the response and clarification. Have you tried Gerald's test with the a1? Set the a1 to 8K internal and run a 4K signal to an Atomos Ninja 5? He found that to be sharper than the internal pixel binned 4K. He postulates that this setup must actually be downsampling rather than pixel binning. I have followed his test at home with my own a1, and found the externally recorded 4K (set up like Gerald showed) to be slightly sharper than the internally recorded 4K. Honestly, I'm splitting hairs. It's all insanely sharp. I think it would make a difference on a very large 4K TV screen, but not on anything from a smart phone to a laptop screen. Anyway, cheers.
WHAT GOOD IS SUPREME AUTOFOCUS WITH A TEASPOON SIZE BUFFER?????!!!!!!!!!!
Am I understanding you correctly Dan, did you say you can get around that by using CF express? If so, we would still need 2 big CF express cards and an assistant to dump one while filling up the other. That is NBD, IF the CF express cards are available. A 100 shot before buffering capability would be a great compromise, assuming card availability. 20 shot buffer is useless.
Also, you did say lossless can do 10 fps when writing to CF?
You can still only do compressed raw for 10fps even with CFexpress but CFexpress does solve the buffer issue. But yeah, there is only 1 slot so if you want dual recording with amazing buffer, you need to shoot compressed raw to the CFexpress card and jpeg to the SD card
@@learningcameras ok, thanks Dan. I never had the A7III so wasn't aware of the issue. Adding this rig to my R3, which doesn't have that limitation. Hopefully you are right about a firmware update someday
Everywhere I only read about "bigger buffer size" - but is it really bigger than on the Mk. III or is it just the faster write speed of the CF express cards?!
It's just the write speeds to the CFexpress. Honestly the buffer sucks and if you use SD cards, you can barely get 20 images in RAW before it fills up
So the actual size of the buffer is identical? I couldn't find an exact number.
@@julianrohloff2811 yeah, we don't know the actual buffer size but it definitely doesn’t seem like it's larger. Seems more like the card options just got faster so the buffer seems great but only when combined with high speed CFexpress cards
Shutter sound, low res LCD, 10fps(only in compressed), cropped 4K 60 and one type a slot are such minor things to be fixed if you raise that price that much… would have made this camera a nobrainer for everyone to recommend. Instead Sony opted for a slightly better version that the competition. Sad to see the cripple hammer caught up to them as well for profit … no longer the disruptive camera manufacturer
@@richrollin4867 highly unlikely since the z lenses are non linear, hence manual focusing is probably the worst experience there is. You can’t do everything autofocus. First hand experience from a former z6 owner.
I have a 16 1.4 so I guess I will be okay on crop mode...is not all that bad I have the 50 1.2 you know the zoom I will get? That is a plus too
So all lenses the focal length increases by 1.5x so the 16 becomes a 24mm lens (so basically turns a wide angle lens into a normal lens) and the 50 becomes a 75mm lens. Also the depth of field will not be the same so the F1.4 will be more like an F2 lens
you can always use s35 mode even on the a7III, son no, it's not really a plus. Imagine a real estate videographer that needs to use a 16 mil, and the silky smooth 60p slowed down. Now he have a 24 mil lens, and can't show the whole scene.. On the other hand if he had a full frame 60, but needed more reach, he could simply map a button for s35 mode and crop in.
@@michaeldimitrov1444 there is a difference in 24 to 33
So you say not to purchase it and go to for the A7 SIII
Not really...depends on what you want. If you are looking for a dedicated video camera, the A7IV might fall short with no full frame 4k60 and noticeable rolling shutter but the A7IV is better technically as a photo camera or hybrid camera...just not quite as good as I hoped in a few areas
I was thinking of switching from Canon back to Sony and I was thinking of this camera but now if I do it I think I will just get a discounted A7iii. I would take the difference in money and put that towards a new MacBook Pro instead. LOL
That's what I decided to do 🥂
does the silent shutter option exist on this camera?
It does exist but the read speeds on this camera are pretty slow so you can get rolling shutter or banding if you are using the silent shutter option in artificial lights or with moving subjects
How does the SOOC colors look vs. R6, especially skin tones?
Good question!
MUCH better than before... Literally I'd have 0 problem with colors using this against an R6 which before this camera, I would never have said
@@learningcameras That's great to hear! I wonder how many firmware updates are in the works... Thanks for the reply!
@@learningcameras So you'd choose the color science of the A7IV over the R6 any day?
@@sonicvboom Sorry, I rephrased that answer poorly. It's not much better than the R6 but much better than the previous A7III. Compared to the R6 I'd say it's personal preference not that one is "better" than the other.
With the new firmware update on the Sony A7IV we have that option for the small and medium raw files.
Yep! Fixes my biggest issue for photographers with the A7IV
I don't really understand why so many people are unhappy with this A7lV. This is an updated entry level camera to the rest of Sony's line up. Like I read before, on another post, "If you wanted the same video features as the A7SIII, it would be an A7SIII. Sony's not going to intentionally curtail the sales of another higher priced camera in their line up. (losing $$$$$) At least, not intentionally.
What we should be anticipating is this newer technology being introduced into upcoming future updates to the other cameras in the line up.
So I'd make the argument that the A7IV needs to be a good "hybrid" camera and thus needs 4k60 full frame, especially since Canon already has it. The A7SIII is too low MP to have some features like oversampling, photo resolution, and crop modes, but the A7IV would have been the perfect hybrid camera for those who need both if it had this. The 4k60 would still be pixel binned and would not be as good quality as the A7SIII. Plus, I will absolutely put pressure anytime I see a company intentionally do something to cripple the camera that isn't a "technical" or "hardware" limitation. We did the same thing with Canon and the R5 and R6 which overheated with timers like crazy. Thankfully the pressure worked and the cameras improved with firmware as much as Canon could do without a hardware change.
@@learningcameras Well, we will have to wait to see what an a7SIV has in store for us. 😀
would you consider this an upgrade to my RIII? I don't print.
In a few areas...namely autofocus, video, and some extra features but not in actual image quality. Though there has been some color refinement
Which camera to buy nikon z6Il or Sony a7iv for wedding videography
So the A7IV is definitely a better camera with 10bit, more codec and bitrate options, tons of extra features, more lens options, unlimited recording, and 7k oversampling. Of course the Z6II is still absolutely good enough if you need to save the $500 or already have Nikon lenses.
@@learningcameras thanks
2:10 ...set up to silent shutter ..its easy
Might not want to. This sensor has a slow readout so you will see banding, variable exposures, or rolling shutter with artificial lights or fast moving subjects. There are only like 4 cameras you should actually use silent shutter with and this isn't 1 of them.
From what I've seen, the downsides of the A7iv affect photographers the most. As someone who mostly shoots video, I'm not bothered by the same things. If the 4K 60 crop really bothers you, why not make a video demonstrating this very issue? Go to a location that you commonly shoot 4K 60 at, and show us how the crop affects your choices. It would be more helpful than just talking about it.
He did. There was a car and he showed the crop factor in the review video.
It’s obvious dude
@@timpolster So what. Why not show what he would have to do to reframe the shot? If he has room to move, he can easily reframe the shot with the crop considered. That's more useful than just showing the cropped shot.
@@Pfagnan Well...dude...unless you're shooting in a tiny room, you can move your body to a better position. Yes? You're getting a sharper image than the A7Siii for $1,000 less. Does anyone take that into account? Or is whining more fun?
@@AllThingsFilm1 Did you watch the review video? I guess I am coming from the point of view that any video on UA-cam is offered to you and telling somebody how to do it begs the phrase to "do it better yourself". He states that stepping back to reframe is an option but not always a solution. You say he is whining and I see you as complaining. I appreciate the time and effort to make the videos and show the new camera. Even if there is financial gain might be the motivation.
For 4K 60, can you just use APSC lens and still get full 4K 60 since it's cropped?
Yes, its the sensor that gets cropped, so the lens you use has no effect
It's still not full frame but you can use APSC lenses in 4k60 crop
Thank you so much, Dan! You are always so thorough. One question… on my A7iv (just got it), I notice more noise (and some weird color shifting) in high iso raw files (6400 -10000) than in the 33mp jpegs. Seems like more noise than my A7iii. I was wondering if this was simply due to the Lightroom plug-in, or perhaps I haven’t set the camera up correctly. Hmm. Literally opened the files for the first time yesterday.