You explained and introduced this topic better than my university if I’m honest! Sometimes it’s better to barely scratch the surface on communication than break it all down immediately and expect students to take it in. Thank you. This helped so much!!
I some time have an issue because I have what I Want to say on my mind but cannot find words to use. Sometimes I get pretty upset and use bad language or not so thought out words. This is why I want to improve my communication. Thanks
I wonder if your just speaking plainly as I do.. meaning, I don't dress up what I want to say, I speak very plainly. A pen is a pen, a rock is a rock, not a fossilized piece of earth carbon dating back to 3.4 million years ago.. it's a rock. Less is more
Know your goals before you start speaking Understand your audience and their needs Grab the attention of your audience Use evidence and experiences to demonstrate credibility Speak with your own voice Make sure your message is appropriate for your medium I think these are the ways from which we can improve our persuasive communication skills
Thanks, English is my second language! I’m from South Africa. I love communication and I'm a preacher. Wish I can improve my vocabulary and my art of speaking and writing in English. I’ll follow your videos. Thank you 🙏🏾
I always find myself captivating people just by speaking. Once I had an exit interview leaving a job as an Executive Assistant, and I asked this CEO what I should work with next. His answer was: “Whatever you would sell, I would buy it.” Interestingly enough I’ve always been uncomfortable speaking in front of people. It contradicts my life in general as I get attention as soon as I open my mouth.
1. Rhetoric: Plato sophist, writting procedure 2. Sophists added more volume while philosophers added more substance 3. Creating democracies was essential but at the same time democracies needed many fixes
Being autistic, I have troubles with theory of mind or the ability to socially read people, I wonder how much that would set me back in terms of implementing rhetorical debate.
Communication Professor (Ph.D.) here also... and I feel like I learned something from watching a few of your videos. Some good stuff here! Wondering what type of video software editing program you use? Your pop up check boxes are fantastic and I'd love to use similar in the online videos I create for my classes.
Hi, Rick. Nice to meet you and thank you for the kind words. I edit on Final Cut Pro X. Graphic titles, like the check box, are part of a title pack download that I bought a while back on Videohive. I believe it was this pack: videohive.net/item/60-titles-pack/14050399?s_rank=30
So, the form of communication of actual information is clearly logic ie reasoning. So rhetoric must be about the content that can change without effecting logic?
Rhetoric is complex and deep subject, but communication is not limited to information. I think that's what you're asking but feel free to rephrase and add detail.
@alexanderlyon Sex is also communication, but without fantasy it's meaningless. Fantasy gives the context, so maybe that's more like rhetoric. Maybe it gives a purpose to what would be meaningless without it's priority?
Thanks, Bravo Co. If we could talk a little shop for a moment, I work really hard on getting good audio. It's one of those things that when it's bad, it ruins the experience. Thank you for noticing.
I teach composition. I like the video but I disagree with your definition - I think visual texts and audio texts etc can use rhetoric as well. I tend to use a much more expansive definition.
Hi, Alex. It's a term that many fields use, I'll grant you that. My background and the focus of the channel is on communication skills, public speaking, and leadership skills. We're grounded in the oral communication focus of the people mentioned in the video.
Rhetoric was my 1st class on my 1st day of College. Recently, it appears missing in Mainstream News and Media, in even Concept. *Teach this in English in High School.*
IT IS MISSING in media - esp MSM on TV - b/c it is not their interest or job (unfortunately) to educate us and to be honest. They are there to lie, sell ads, propagate, and regurgitate the same old worn out talking points. This is by design intentionally b/c of how the globalists run the networks and run the show in all areas of our establishment. Most ppl are still naive about that although we are still waking up right now - esp post covid. They are paid instead to dumb us down and entertain us w/ tons of distractions. "Bread & circuses" as they say. My friend is teaching this in her new English class as she is becoming a home-schooler w/ an emphasis on language. She runs her own magazine and is a wonderful writer/ editor and journalist. She will be teaching ppl about how to properly research - where to look for sources, how to be more resourceful, how to use hunches and theories and how to prove them to be true. She will also be teaching ppl about dialectics/ how to become a balanced thinker/ 'centrist', how to be curious and use Aristotle line of questioning in journalism/ interviews, etc. She knows a lot about the false dichotomy, duality in language and in logic, etc....She is a high-level rhetorician.
Rhetoric in communication, You learn and teach to fool others. That's persuasive context (frame). But, can you learn and teach not to be fooled by others? Defense is more important to survive than attack to destroy the defence of enemy, though it seems that attack is the best defence. What's the point of attack, if you cannot defend to exist? One need not destroy one's enemy. One need only destroy his willingness to engage. Sun Tzu, the art of war That's about strong defence. You need an army to destroy your enemy. But, you can be destroyed by a pin. Why don't you teach Rhetoric to not to be persuaded and think open? There's a big market of demand to learn how to defend, than how to attack. Take advantage.
There are lots of books to learn about rhetoric but fewer books that teach you how to apply the techniques in a speech. I'd recommend Aristotle's book titled, Rhetoric. Sometimes, the titled it "On Rhetoric" but it's available on Amazon. It has a mixture of theory and practical advice. It's a classic!
Have you ever considered doing a video on the lines of "How to Be a an Ethical Communicator and Listener"? Intellectual honesty should be chief among them. Perhaps you touched on these topics before(as you did briefly here) and just need to consolidate them. Being persuasive is a skill not a virtue. The difference should be pointed out from time to time.
Yes, I touch on ethics in lots of videos and in my online classes. It's an important value to me personally and an important topic for communication and leadership. I'm glad to meet somebody who also cares about this!
Yes. I can imagine. Sometime I the same. Here. With another Brazilian expression. I can find and usually people laught a Lot here in the city. And it's Hurts.
Do you do personalized coaching? I’m a minister and I am always looking for growth in the area of communication. Thank you for your uploads. I’ve gained many good pointers from them.
Hi, TJ. I don't offer any coaching anymore. Sorry about that. I just can't fit it in with teaching college, doing this channel, making online classes, etc. Sorry about that. I could refer you to people I know but it's extremely expensive. Feel free to connect on Linkedin with me.
As a field of study, the area of Rhetoric is the origin and foundation of communication (as an academic area). Most sub-areas that came after it were strongly influenced by rhetorical concepts, theories, etc.
@@alexanderlyon I love your content. Been here continuing to listen, trying to solve a way of navigating a relationship with a manager who just always makes my blood boil. I just may sign up for your class afterall!
Unfortunately, that's how people use the word in everyday conversation. But it is a legitimate field of study that today spans both English and Communication. As mentioned, some of the most well-known Greek philosophers and sophists discussed it and wrote about it.
It sounds to me like you are thinking of the word the way it's talked about in the news rather than how Rhetoric is actually studied and taught. For example, have you studied the Sophists for yourself? I have. I recommend you read Cicero's book, _On the Ideal Orator_ ? Have you read Aristotle's _The Rhetoric_ ? I have. I recommend it. You won't find any advice about how to use double-speak. In fact, ethics is always a main theme in the field. Quintilian, a neo-sophist, said that the ideal orator was "the good man speaking well," with an emphasis on the speaker's character. More recently (1970s), Tom Nilseon emphasized the ethical responsibilities of speakers with the concept of significant choice that says "choice making that is voluntary, free from physical or mental coercion . . . based on all the information available when the decision must be made." As mentioned, Rhetoric is a serious area of study. People in the news use the word differently. Without the field of Rhetoric (going back thousands of years), we wouldn't have modern-day democracies or concepts like the freedom of speech. Great speeches and debates throughout history have shaped the world. In fact, the study of Rhetoric equips us to be more critical consumers of manipulative messages by identifying things like logical fallacies and other misuses of evidence. There are lots of slimy communicators out there. We likely agree on that. The field of rhetoric is wholeheartedly against double-speak and manipulation. The field of Rhetoric is no more responsible for those people's bad decisions than is the study of Composition (the written word) for the manipulative decisions we see in print marketing and advertisement. Some kids use magnifying glasses to study nature up close and other kids, sadly, use them to burn ants. It's not the magnifying glass that's the problem. It's about the character of the person that motivates their decisions.
@@alexanderlyon semantic jargon (yes i did read all of your response please reciprocate). Oxford states basically that sophist/sophistry premise is deceitful, or"influenced", or often morally skeptical in intent. Also states rhetoric as deceitful or play on words. Double speak is also play on words hidden meaning to hide truth often used by lawyers, contracts, media to manipulate. Any manor of speaking that has any hidden agenda regardless has a manipulative, negative ethical narratives. It's the why that's important no one asks why anymore. Been looking at the problem with recent war on clear truthful factual communication and the war on the 1st amendment. Hence how i came across your vid.
@@alexanderlyon but you said it yourself that its theme is often ethics. Basically like i said it's the art of bullshitte and can't bullshitt a bullshetter. Btw its not an ad hominem you cool.
Emocional pain. That's not funny. See the tv. And people speaking another language. People laught because here in the country. They usually eat Rice and beans até lunch.
No information on rhetoric itself. No substance. Only information on what kind of professions rhetoric is good for. This is the first 👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻😎 video.
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Just listening to you speak makes me want to learn from you!
Oh, good. Thank you for the complement, JJay. I'm glad you liked the video.
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You explained and introduced this topic better than my university if I’m honest! Sometimes it’s better to barely scratch the surface on communication than break it all down immediately and expect students to take it in. Thank you. This helped so much!!
I’m glad it was helpful. This video is meant to be that exact type of introduction.
I some time have an issue because I have what I Want to say on my mind but cannot find words to use. Sometimes I get pretty upset and use bad language or not so thought out words. This is why I want to improve my communication. Thanks
I wonder if your just speaking plainly as I do.. meaning, I don't dress up what I want to say, I speak very plainly. A pen is a pen, a rock is a rock, not a fossilized piece of earth carbon dating back to 3.4 million years ago.. it's a rock. Less is more
Know your goals before you start speaking
Understand your audience and their needs
Grab the attention of your audience
Use evidence and experiences to demonstrate credibility
Speak with your own voice
Make sure your message is appropriate for your medium
I think these are the ways from which we can improve our persuasive communication skills
Good summary of tips for public speaking!
Thanks, English is my second language! I’m from South Africa. I love communication and I'm a preacher. Wish I can improve my vocabulary and my art of speaking and writing in English. I’ll follow your videos. Thank you 🙏🏾
Much better than reading 100 pages to understand rhetoric kudos
I always find myself captivating people just by speaking. Once I had an exit interview leaving a job as an Executive Assistant, and I asked this CEO what I should work with next. His answer was: “Whatever you would sell, I would buy it.” Interestingly enough I’ve always been uncomfortable speaking in front of people. It contradicts my life in general as I get attention as soon as I open my mouth.
1. Rhetoric: Plato sophist, writting procedure
2. Sophists added more volume while philosophers added more substance
3. Creating democracies was essential but at the same time democracies needed many fixes
Great intro for the topic. I've been a little skeptical on taking this course of Harvard but now it's all clear to me. Thanks to you sir!
Thank you very much. This is very useful and a really good start to learning about rhetoric.
I just love to hear you ... It helps me a lot
Thank you, Noor. Good to hear from you.
Great ,I get it .your explanation is really great
Thanks, Alex. now I know what that word means. Thanks again you did help me more.
An exceptionally precise summary of Rhetoric--Thank you.
Thank you kindly!
great piece.
I appreciate that. Thank you.
I have a test on this in thursday and this is helping me alot
Great. I hope it provided some context.
Thank you for being concise but still comprehensible. This is quite a complex subject, and you have helped me understand it. I appreciate it.
Glad it was helpful.
So how can rhetoric be used in images such as billboards? And what is the difference between Semiotic and Rhetoric, please?
It depends on what the billboard says but we'd probably just call that marketing.
That was fun and helpful! 😐👍🏿
Being autistic, I have troubles with theory of mind or the ability to socially read people, I wonder how much that would set me back in terms of implementing rhetorical debate.
I understand you very well so I took good notes thank you very much
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Communication Professor (Ph.D.) here also... and I feel like I learned something from watching a few of your videos. Some good stuff here! Wondering what type of video software editing program you use? Your pop up check boxes are fantastic and I'd love to use similar in the online videos I create for my classes.
Hi, Rick. Nice to meet you and thank you for the kind words. I edit on Final Cut Pro X. Graphic titles, like the check box, are part of a title pack download that I bought a while back on Videohive. I believe it was this pack: videohive.net/item/60-titles-pack/14050399?s_rank=30
@@alexanderlyon Thanks for sharing. I subscribed to the channel and will be linking some of your videos in my courses.
I want to learn this art of communication.
You are in the right place!
Nice video i learned a lot about rhetoric
So, the form of communication of actual information is clearly logic ie reasoning. So rhetoric must be about the content that can change without effecting logic?
Rhetoric is complex and deep subject, but communication is not limited to information. I think that's what you're asking but feel free to rephrase and add detail.
@alexanderlyon Sex is also communication, but without fantasy it's meaningless. Fantasy gives the context, so maybe that's more like rhetoric. Maybe it gives a purpose to what would be meaningless without it's priority?
You are very enjoyable to listen to. Your voice and facial expressions exude encouragement and positivity, like a warm cup of cocoa ☕
Wow! That's super nice of you to say, Zacharie. I really appreciate your encouragement. I'm glad the videos are helpful and enjoyable.
Very helpful introduction to the topic, great video :)
very first impression, sound quality is impressive and easy to sound good on mobile too.
Thanks, Bravo Co. If we could talk a little shop for a moment, I work really hard on getting good audio. It's one of those things that when it's bad, it ruins the experience. Thank you for noticing.
I teach composition. I like the video but I disagree with your definition - I think visual texts and audio texts etc can use rhetoric as well. I tend to use a much more expansive definition.
Hi, Alex. It's a term that many fields use, I'll grant you that. My background and the focus of the channel is on communication skills, public speaking, and leadership skills. We're grounded in the oral communication focus of the people mentioned in the video.
great video
Thank you sir
Thank you!
I just start hearred you but frankly speaking I appreciate
Rhetoric was my 1st class on my 1st day of College.
Recently, it appears missing in Mainstream News and Media, in even Concept.
*Teach this in English in High School.*
IT IS MISSING in media - esp MSM on TV - b/c it is not their interest or job (unfortunately) to educate us and to be honest. They are there to lie, sell ads, propagate, and regurgitate the same old worn out talking points. This is by design intentionally b/c of how the globalists run the networks and run the show in all areas of our establishment. Most ppl are still naive about that although we are still waking up right now - esp post covid. They are paid instead to dumb us down and entertain us w/ tons of distractions. "Bread & circuses" as they say.
My friend is teaching this in her new English class as she is becoming a home-schooler w/ an emphasis on language. She runs her own magazine and is a wonderful writer/ editor and journalist. She will be teaching ppl about how to properly research - where to look for sources, how to be more resourceful, how to use hunches and theories and how to prove them to be true. She will also be teaching ppl about dialectics/ how to become a balanced thinker/ 'centrist', how to be curious and use Aristotle line of questioning in journalism/ interviews, etc. She knows a lot about the false dichotomy, duality in language and in logic, etc....She is a high-level rhetorician.
Thanku sir for your lovely classes
Good subject ❤❤❤
all well said mister.
thank you.
You're welcome!
A man of action.
Rhetoric in communication,
You learn and teach to fool others.
That's persuasive context (frame).
But, can you learn and teach not to be fooled by others?
Defense is more important to survive than attack to destroy the defence of enemy, though it seems that attack is the best defence.
What's the point of attack, if you cannot defend to exist?
One need not destroy one's enemy. One need only destroy his willingness to engage.
Sun Tzu, the art of war
That's about strong defence.
You need an army to destroy your enemy.
But, you can be destroyed by a pin.
Why don't you teach Rhetoric to not to be persuaded and think open?
There's a big market of demand to learn how to defend, than how to attack. Take advantage.
Any book for learning rhetoric??
There are lots of books to learn about rhetoric but fewer books that teach you how to apply the techniques in a speech. I'd recommend Aristotle's book titled, Rhetoric. Sometimes, the titled it "On Rhetoric" but it's available on Amazon. It has a mixture of theory and practical advice. It's a classic!
Have you ever considered doing a video on the lines of "How to Be a an Ethical Communicator and Listener"? Intellectual honesty should be chief among them. Perhaps you touched on these topics before(as you did briefly here) and just need to consolidate them. Being persuasive is a skill not a virtue. The difference should be pointed out from time to time.
Yes, I touch on ethics in lots of videos and in my online classes. It's an important value to me personally and an important topic for communication and leadership. I'm glad to meet somebody who also cares about this!
Thank you
You're welcome!
Thanks CC
Yes. I can imagine. Sometime I the same. Here. With another Brazilian expression. I can find and usually people laught a Lot here in the city. And it's Hurts.
I’d love improve my communication skills to create UA-cam content
Thanks!!!!! Was super informative and I love the way you speak. (PS you look great - I think you could wear a size down of your shirt :o)
To show off my muscles??? Ha. Thanks.
Do you do personalized coaching? I’m a minister and I am always looking for growth in the area of communication. Thank you for your uploads. I’ve gained many good pointers from them.
Hi, TJ. I don't offer any coaching anymore. Sorry about that. I just can't fit it in with teaching college, doing this channel, making online classes, etc. Sorry about that. I could refer you to people I know but it's extremely expensive. Feel free to connect on Linkedin with me.
@@alexanderlyon Thank you. I may do that.
Would it be reasonable to assume that rhetoric is the core of communication?
As a field of study, the area of Rhetoric is the origin and foundation of communication (as an academic area). Most sub-areas that came after it were strongly influenced by rhetorical concepts, theories, etc.
So they didn’t contribute the ideas.. but how to communicate the ideas… the branding.
do you need a video editor?
Hello
ah, This was all just a bunch of rhetoric to get us to signup for his coaching class!
The free class is ALWAYS free (and still optional). And there is usually _more than one free class_ on my site. I give away 99% of the content I make.
@@alexanderlyon I love your content. Been here continuing to listen, trying to solve a way of navigating a relationship with a manager who just always makes my blood boil. I just may sign up for your class afterall!
Greatttttttt
Based
When I watch the news I see alot of rhetoric
We are adults and we can use "bad words" to be frank. So in other words rhetoric is art of bullsht talk.
Unfortunately, that's how people use the word in everyday conversation. But it is a legitimate field of study that today spans both English and Communication. As mentioned, some of the most well-known Greek philosophers and sophists discussed it and wrote about it.
@@alexanderlyon the play on words and Double speak to hide intent. What's the definition of sophists ?
It sounds to me like you are thinking of the word the way it's talked about in the news rather than how Rhetoric is actually studied and taught.
For example, have you studied the Sophists for yourself? I have. I recommend you read Cicero's book, _On the Ideal Orator_ ? Have you read Aristotle's _The Rhetoric_ ? I have. I recommend it. You won't find any advice about how to use double-speak. In fact, ethics is always a main theme in the field.
Quintilian, a neo-sophist, said that the ideal orator was "the good man speaking well," with an emphasis on the speaker's character. More recently (1970s), Tom Nilseon emphasized the ethical responsibilities of speakers with the concept of significant choice that says "choice making that is voluntary, free from physical or mental coercion . . . based on all the information available when the decision must be made."
As mentioned, Rhetoric is a serious area of study. People in the news use the word differently. Without the field of Rhetoric (going back thousands of years), we wouldn't have modern-day democracies or concepts like the freedom of speech.
Great speeches and debates throughout history have shaped the world.
In fact, the study of Rhetoric equips us to be more critical consumers of manipulative messages by identifying things like logical fallacies and other misuses of evidence.
There are lots of slimy communicators out there. We likely agree on that. The field of rhetoric is wholeheartedly against double-speak and manipulation.
The field of Rhetoric is no more responsible for those people's bad decisions than is the study of Composition (the written word) for the manipulative decisions we see in print marketing and advertisement. Some kids use magnifying glasses to study nature up close and other kids, sadly, use them to burn ants. It's not the magnifying glass that's the problem.
It's about the character of the person that motivates their decisions.
@@alexanderlyon semantic jargon (yes i did read all of your response please reciprocate).
Oxford states basically that sophist/sophistry premise is deceitful, or"influenced", or often morally skeptical in intent.
Also states rhetoric as deceitful or play on words. Double speak is also play on words hidden meaning to hide truth often used by lawyers, contracts, media to manipulate.
Any manor of speaking that has any hidden agenda regardless has a manipulative, negative ethical narratives.
It's the why that's important no one asks why anymore.
Been looking at the problem with recent war on clear truthful factual communication and the war on the 1st amendment. Hence how i came across your vid.
@@alexanderlyon but you said it yourself that its theme is often ethics. Basically like i said it's the art of bullshitte and can't bullshitt a bullshetter. Btw its not an ad hominem you cool.
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Emocional pain. That's not funny. See the tv. And people speaking another language. People laught because here in the country. They usually eat Rice and beans até lunch.
I'd trust you if you didn't look soo evil
How does he look evil 😃👌😭👍
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Lol ,That was as informative as watching 2 flies dining on cow dung in the middle of an Expressway. During peak hour.
Sophists are the democrats.
No information on rhetoric itself. No substance. Only information on what kind of professions rhetoric is good for. This is the first 👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻😎 video.