Echoing Rick Wingender's comment. Stephen Klien has a real ability to explain the topic clearly and in an engaging style. Most important however is that he conveys his knowledge of the topic so well. The best I have seen or heard
Very succiently explained, such methods are the building blocks which some lucky people are taught as youngsters, and stand on for life, often directing the course of humanity for good or ill, Thankyou.
This video is amazing, the presentation is applying rhetoric. Sadly while I’m browsing i found most of videos about rhetoric are bad examples of rhetoric, but this one is so clear smooth informative engaging
I was going to read the book "Rhetoric" itself, but found it useful to get some basic ideas before I start. And I think I have a long way to go. Thanks for your simple and very understandable explanation.
this is well-paced for following along and carefully organized for remembering. this video will set you up with a significant basis for understanding, deploying, and recognizing rhetoric. I appreciate that the opening slides remind us that while the discipline of rhetoric is grounded in the Greeks and Romans, our tradition of rhetoric includes a wide range of speakers including women and African Americans, but also Reagan. I highly recommend this video!
A rhetor has to give the purpose of his message to his audience. One can convence his audience by reasoned arguments, credability, or emefcting emotions. A speaker maty change his tone depending on his target audience.
It was great presentation. But could you tell me the relation of pragmatics to rhetoric. Why logos, ethos, and pathos go go under the umberall of pragmatics??
Great question! There's actually a fair bit of theoretical literature on the connection between pragmatics and rhetoric. The overly short version: Pragmatics deals with the goal-oriented use of language to accomplish tasks. Rhetorical invention -- featuring the use of the three Aristotelian proofs -- is the development of persuasive strategies that go into messages intentionally crafted to accomplish results. Sooo... :)
The Sophists were the first rhetoric teachers in classical Greece (folks like Protagoras, who pioneered ideas related to argument and debate). The Sophists drew the ire of Plato in his works on rhetoric (Gorgias and Phaedrus, other Sophists) for allegedly being "truth-free," unlike dialectic-based discourse. Aristotle recovered rhetoric as a legit "counterpart of dialectic," although he still maintained some distance from sophistry. Put very roughly: rhetoric (at least ideally) needs to be grounded in an attempt to discern probable truth amidst contingent, uncertain circumstances, whereas sophistry is basically about persuasive influence without regard for the truth -- what Princeton philosopher Harry Frankfurt would later discuss as "bulls***." ("On Bulls***," 2005; 1986).
Im just a street scholar graduated summa cum laude from S.W.U. that is Side Walk University.... and trying to figure out where i got it all from. Thank you. 💯
Hello Mr. Stephen, first of all, I want to thank you for this excellent video. Secondly, ask if you have this video transcript. I would like to have for my law English assignment.
This lectures was helpful and educating! thank you very much sir! Sir, Can you help with resources to have a more extensive understanding of rhetoric, grammar and logic? hoping to hear from you soon! smiles!
Hi, Dr. Stephen. I really enjoyed watching your video. I was wondering how you would define "Public Rhetoric?" How would you describe your relationship to rhetoric? How have you developed as a critical reader and writer?
Rhetoric that is "public" would be persuasive communication that is intended for a general audience beyond a closed private group (like a family or a workplace). I have been studying and teaching rhetoric and communication for about 28 years.
Dr. Stephen, thank you for your clear explanation about the Rhetoric concept. I enjoyed the way you gave us examples for every aspect. Do you mind if I send you some questions by email related to Mass Communication subject?
@@stephenklien yes ofc. I mean that the triangle is made by the three points and three sides yes, but how about how the angle and the relationship it has with it's projected side
Thanks for the comment! Honestly, I haven't updated it in a while, and it's niche content. I should be making some updates in the next few months, though, as I start prepping some online classes I teach. :)
This is definitely a whole new level in speech I had no idea about! Is it considered to be a contemporary rhetoric style in literature, such as Jane Austen's novels? The eighteenth century really intrigues me.
Thanks, Gunnar! I'm not sure I understand your question -- could you clarify? I can tell you that the rhetorical theory of the Romans Cicero and Quintilian (heavily influenced by Aristotle, but with a greater emphasis on adapting to situational circumstances) were influential in the development of 18th century rhetorical theory -- folks like George Campbell, Giambattista Vico, and Francis Bacon, who defined the art this way: "Rhetoric applies reason to the imagination to move the will."
@@stephenklien sure! So I'm basically exploring prose of the eighteenth century. Now, in the language style of the time, rhetorical techniques are employed to convey emotion and direction to create a reader-narrator relationship. But how a sentence is formulated typically in the 1700's british style, in terms of dialogue, would have to be decorated using rhetoric? Think speech in the movie pride and prejudice for example.
Gunnar, you might be interested in the rhetorical theory of Hugh Blair, particularly his "Lectures on Rhetoric and Belles Lettres." From Horner's "Eighteenth-Century Rhetoric": "Blair's 'Lectures on Rhetoric and Belles Lettres' was adopted at Brown in 1783, at Yale in 1785, at Harvard in 1788, and by the end of the century was the standard text at most American colleges...Blair's concept of taste, an important doctrine of the 18th century, was adopted worldwide in the English-speaking countries. Taste was considered an inborn quality that could be improved through cultivation and study. This concept found a ready acceptance, particularly in the provinces of Scotland and North America, where improvement became a basic tenet, and beauty and good were closely connected. The study of English literature spread as rhetoric turned from a generative to an interpretive study. Finally, rhetoric and criticism became synonymous, and both became sciences with English literature as the observable physical data."
Actually, he did -- early in the Rhetoric, he observes a difference between rhetoric (which is an art) and sophistry, the more truth-free approach to manipulation his teacher Plato attacked (which is not an art).
@@stephenklien interesting that sophistry isn't an art considering that conning people is (lol get it? Con artist?) But wow, so you're saying we are returning to life pre-philosophy! How sad!!
This is the best video I've seen on the topic so far, and I've watched about 20 or so. This guy actually knows how to teach and explain things.
Thanks, rwingender! I'm gearing up to post more vids soon.
I agree! I've been struggling with the concept for a while, but this video helped me a lot.
I agree completely. I've been watching a ton of introductory videos, and this is by far the best.
I was confused about this concept but this video really helped! Thank you!
You are very welcome!
Echoing Rick Wingender's comment. Stephen Klien has a real ability to explain the topic clearly and in an engaging style. Most important however is that he conveys his knowledge of the topic so well. The best I have seen or heard
Very succiently explained, such methods are the building blocks which some lucky people are taught as youngsters, and stand on for life, often directing the course of humanity for good or ill, Thankyou.
I'm glad my teacher recommended these videos to our class; they're quite helpful.
Same here
Excellent! I'm glad you find them helpful.
I want to see more videos about this.....😮
This video is amazing, the presentation is applying rhetoric. Sadly while I’m browsing i found most of videos about rhetoric are bad examples of rhetoric, but this one is so clear smooth informative engaging
Thanks for the feedback!
I was going to read the book "Rhetoric" itself, but found it useful to get some basic ideas before I start. And I think I have a long way to go. Thanks for your simple and very understandable explanation.
this is well-paced for following along and carefully organized for remembering. this video will set you up with a significant basis for understanding, deploying, and recognizing rhetoric. I appreciate that the opening slides remind us that while the discipline of rhetoric is grounded in the Greeks and Romans, our tradition of rhetoric includes a wide range of speakers including women and African Americans, but also Reagan. I highly recommend this video!
Thank you!
Thank you, professor! I think I know where to start from now.
Thank you for this lecture
Thanks a lot teacher, you're the best
Thank you for the kind comment!
In the 14 minutes you make a whole book clear thank you so much sir from Nepal ❤️
You are very welcome!
This the best video
Thank you!
A rhetor has to give the purpose of his message to his audience. One can convence his audience by reasoned arguments, credability, or emefcting emotions. A speaker maty change his tone depending on his target audience.
Excellent! Thanks, Professor!
Cheer~~~~the art of effective or persuasive speaking or writing, especially the use of figures of speech and other compositional techniques.😊
Well done sir! Excellent presentation, thank you.
Thanks!
This was very helpful. Thank you so much, sir.
Thank you for this explanation ❤❤
It was great presentation. But could you tell me the relation of pragmatics to rhetoric. Why logos, ethos, and pathos go go under the umberall of pragmatics??
Great question! There's actually a fair bit of theoretical literature on the connection between pragmatics and rhetoric. The overly short version: Pragmatics deals with the goal-oriented use of language to accomplish tasks. Rhetorical invention -- featuring the use of the three Aristotelian proofs -- is the development of persuasive strategies that go into messages intentionally crafted to accomplish results. Sooo... :)
@@stephenklien many thanks.
what is the relationship or the difference between rhetoric and sophists?
The Sophists were the first rhetoric teachers in classical Greece (folks like Protagoras, who pioneered ideas related to argument and debate). The Sophists drew the ire of Plato in his works on rhetoric (Gorgias and Phaedrus, other Sophists) for allegedly being "truth-free," unlike dialectic-based discourse. Aristotle recovered rhetoric as a legit "counterpart of dialectic," although he still maintained some distance from sophistry.
Put very roughly: rhetoric (at least ideally) needs to be grounded in an attempt to discern probable truth amidst contingent, uncertain circumstances, whereas sophistry is basically about persuasive influence without regard for the truth -- what Princeton philosopher Harry Frankfurt would later discuss as "bulls***." ("On Bulls***," 2005; 1986).
That's was way much clearer than my professor
Thanks!
Im just a street scholar graduated summa cum laude from S.W.U. that is Side Walk University.... and trying to figure out where i got it all from. Thank you. 💯
You're welcome!
What are some Rhetorical Writing Strategies used in Logos????
At the risk of self-promotion, you might want to check out my series of three "Introducing Rhetoric: Logos" videos?
Hello Mr. Stephen, first of all, I want to thank you for this excellent video. Secondly, ask if you have this video transcript. I would like to have for my law English assignment.
Thanks, Veronica! I'm sorry, but I don't have a transcript for the video.
This lectures was helpful and educating! thank you very much sir! Sir, Can you help with resources to have a more extensive understanding of rhetoric, grammar and logic? hoping to hear from you soon! smiles!
thanks sir
Bravo!
Hi, Dr. Stephen. I really enjoyed watching your video. I was wondering how you would define "Public Rhetoric?" How would you describe your relationship to rhetoric? How have you developed as a critical reader and writer?
Rhetoric that is "public" would be persuasive communication that is intended for a general audience beyond a closed private group (like a family or a workplace). I have been studying and teaching rhetoric and communication for about 28 years.
Dr. Stephen, thank you for your clear explanation about the Rhetoric concept. I enjoyed the way you gave us examples for every aspect. Do you mind if I send you some questions by email related to Mass Communication subject?
Sure! I can be reached at kliens@missouri.edu.
Do you also see the rhetorical triangle as a angle-side relationship?
Can you elaborate on what you mean by that?
@@stephenklien yes ofc. I mean that the triangle is made by the three points and three sides yes, but how about how the angle and the relationship it has with it's projected side
Nice explanation!
Thank you!
How come your channel doesn't have more viewers?
Thanks for the comment! Honestly, I haven't updated it in a while, and it's niche content. I should be making some updates in the next few months, though, as I start prepping some online classes I teach. :)
@@stephenklien It's really well put together! I look forward to your future work.
This is definitely a whole new level in speech I had no idea about! Is it considered to be a contemporary rhetoric style in literature, such as Jane Austen's novels? The eighteenth century really intrigues me.
Thanks, Gunnar! I'm not sure I understand your question -- could you clarify? I can tell you that the rhetorical theory of the Romans Cicero and Quintilian (heavily influenced by Aristotle, but with a greater emphasis on adapting to situational circumstances) were influential in the development of 18th century rhetorical theory -- folks like George Campbell, Giambattista Vico, and Francis Bacon, who defined the art this way: "Rhetoric applies reason to the imagination to move the will."
@@stephenklien sure! So I'm basically exploring prose of the eighteenth century. Now, in the language style of the time, rhetorical techniques are employed to convey emotion and direction to create a reader-narrator relationship. But how a sentence is formulated typically in the 1700's british style, in terms of dialogue, would have to be decorated using rhetoric? Think speech in the movie pride and prejudice for example.
Gunnar, you might be interested in the rhetorical theory of Hugh Blair, particularly his "Lectures on Rhetoric and Belles Lettres." From Horner's "Eighteenth-Century Rhetoric":
"Blair's 'Lectures on Rhetoric and Belles Lettres' was adopted at Brown in 1783, at Yale in 1785, at Harvard in 1788, and by the end of the century was the standard text at most American colleges...Blair's concept of taste, an important doctrine of the 18th century, was adopted worldwide in the English-speaking countries. Taste was considered an inborn quality that could be improved through cultivation and study. This concept found a ready acceptance, particularly in the provinces of Scotland and North America, where improvement became a basic tenet, and beauty and good were closely connected. The study of English literature spread as rhetoric turned from a generative to an interpretive study. Finally, rhetoric and criticism became synonymous, and both became sciences with English literature as the observable physical data."
Poor Aristotle hasn't seen a future where logic is manipulated as well
Actually, he did -- early in the Rhetoric, he observes a difference between rhetoric (which is an art) and sophistry, the more truth-free approach to manipulation his teacher Plato attacked (which is not an art).
@@stephenklien interesting that sophistry isn't an art considering that conning people is (lol get it? Con artist?) But wow, so you're saying we are returning to life pre-philosophy! How sad!!
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Thanks for the feedback -- this video is over two years old, so my vids have upgraded since then.