Gluing T-Tracks - Will It Hold?
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- Let's find out how much stress a glued t-track can hold.
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Put a layer of masking tape down before mixing epoxy. It is easy to peal tape and dried epoxy up.
I've done that a lot too. The problem is that masking tape doesn't stick to the silicon project mat, and I like the mat for protecting the top of my workbench (such as it is). But I agree with you that masking tape is easy to clean up, that's for sure. 😄
Thats not needed epoxy will not stick to silicone.
@@shawnh2870 👍
Epoxy will 100% peal off of silicone mats. Silicone is used for molding Epoxy all the time. Glad to see you making content again.
Good to know, thanks. And I'm glad to be back. 😄
I do all my resin work on silicone mats. It's fantastic because you can avoid doing any cleanup at all. I deliberately *don't* get it all over my hands and rags to avoid leaving resin fingerprints around the house.
If you're looking to have some smaller ones for glue ups or messier applications, there's quite a lot of them out there marketed as craft mats, baking sheets, or kitty litter trays. For instance, 3x 12"x16" for $8: www.amazon.com/LEOBRO-Silicone-Jewelry-Nonstick-Multipurpose/dp/B08HWBC1WL/ref=sr_1_3_sspa
@@pquimby Thanks for the link - I ordered some, to check them out. I love the Rockler mats, but they're too expensive for most people, and these could be a great alternative. Thanks! 😄
@@pquimby Thanks!! I had a feeling most any silicon sheets would work. I also ordered a set of these for my shop...
@@mr.p9882 👍
I found this very informative. I really could related to the part where you had to stop and search for the socket. At least you found it quickly enough. Normally I have to circle like a hawk for ten minutes before I find it inches from where I was standing when I lost it.
OMG, that's totally me. My favorite example is on the computer. I'll open up a menu and look for the item I want, and if it's right under the mouse pointer, I might never find it!
Interessting... I am about to build myself a new crosscut sled with some T-tracks in it. So I was guessing if I should skrew the tracks in (which ment loosing some cut height due to thicker wood) or just glue them in and hope for not pulling them out during some cutting. You just made my decision way easier. 😜
Thanks alot for sharing this video. I love your channel. Learning alot from you.
Lots of greetings and all the best for 2021 from Switzerland 🇨🇭
Yep, same here.
Thanks, and glad I helped! Let me know how it goes.😄
@@boots7859 👍
I always thought maybe the opposite which is screws make it NOT permanent and you move or reclaim later on
Yes, absolutely - I reuse t-tracks every now and then. I should have emphasized that if you can use screws, it's probably the better option. 😄
Thank you for the video I was looking for one on this subject and it answered my questions about the strength test I'll get some of this gorilla glue and do just like this for my shorter pieces of T Track again thanks keep the videos coming
Glad I could help! 👍
@3:00 Custom jig for removing epoxied T tracks. :) Thanks for the video, I will never screw mine don again!
I should patent it. 😂 Don't forget that if you use screws, you can reuse the t-track if needed.
Great video. Great to see someone take every opportunity to learn.
I’ve seen a lot of T-track videos but none considering their attachment to the jig.
Thanks Dan
Thanks - I appreciate it! 😄
Hi Dan. Interesting video. I’m surprised you didn’t use a torque wrench to measure what you were subjecting the bolt too. I guess that’s just me loving numbers tough!
You know, I thought about something like that, but honestly, I didn't want to spend the money on something I didn't think I'd ever use again. Not that that's stopped me before from spending money... 😂
Dan, I appreciate your role in the woodworking universe. I'm a newbie, too, and can't tell you how many head-scratching mistakes I seem to make. Good to have a compadre!
Thanks, Tom! I'm learning that this holds true for most of us. 😄
Great video and useful information. And there's no need to apologize for a Dad joke!
Thanks! And I wasn't really apologizing - the "slide" just looked like it needed more text on it. 😄
After watching this video, I will definitely be using epoxy instead of screws! Thanks...!
Awesome! Glad I could help. 🙂
I wonder how well this would work with MDF. I made a small project board using 1 inch thick MDF and aluminum T-tracks. I really like this idea A LOT!!!!! 3:30 Put down a small piece of painters tape, or masking tape, and mix your epoxy on that, rather than your mat. When the epoxy dries, peel up the tape and you have nothing more to clean up.
Thanks! First, I really should have mentioned the painters tape trick, because that's what I use most often. And I don't even wait for it to dry up, I just bundle it onto a ball. But thanks for the tip, anyway! 😄 As for MDF, I would think epoxy glue would be the best way, since screws don't hold very well in MDF.
I thought the T track would deform if you tightened too much. It's good to know that it needs more force than what's required to bend a washer!
We both learned something! 😄
I like this. Completely new and different from what I've seen before on UA-cam. Thank for sharing! 👍👍
Thanks, and you're welcome! 😄
Thanks, this will save me grinding off of screw tips poking through in the future 😀.
That's a great point (pun intended). 😂
I’ve done steelweld and plasticweld epoxies on silicone and they peel right off. Don’t know if that’s universal though
Thanks - other people have said it should peel right off, so I'll try it next time. I usually just use some blue tape on the workbench, which is easy to throw away, but I was doing a lot of gluing, so I had the project mat out.
Hey Dan welcome back online and happy new year fella. Did you just happen to have some bricks under your workbench lol
Thanks. Yes, I keep about 6 bricks under the workbench to use when gluing. They're actually my wife's, but she doesn't seem to need them.. 😄
U answered my UA-cam ? Perfectly. Including what brand 2 get. Thx
You're welcome.
Thanks for the video and info. Keep them coming!!
You're welcome, and I will! 😄
Your hands shake, well you're not alone!!! That bit of epoxy that oozed up in the screw holes,,, What if you just left it there and let it settle out like a flat head screw, be even stronger.
A good friend of mine from way back in high school had the same problem. When he built model airplanes, it was hard to watch! And that probably would have worked - good idea. 😄
@@TheNewbieWoodworker I've had the same problem for as far back as I remember. As a teenager I built those tall sailing ships, USS Constitution, I'm a perfectionist, I had to paint the detail with toothpicks!!
@@dondale68 Wow - that's amazing considering your shaking hands. Good for you. And as for being a perfectionist - I'm one too - you have my sympathy. 😄
This is good to know. Newbie woodworker here as well. Thanks for taking the time to film, edit and share your experiences with us.
Thanks, and you're quite welcome! 😄
Exactly what I was looking for. Thanks for the video and demo!
You're quite welcome! 🙂
Thanks Dan, I always enjoy your videos.
Thanks! I appreciate it! 😄
Cool idea! Wish you would have done a side-by-side with T-Track installed w/ screws, though.
Thanks. And too late now. 😄
@@TheNewbieWoodworker, depending on the popularity of this video... Might be worth a revisit down the road.
@@russellborrego1689 True enough. Someone else just gave me a link to a cheap HF device that tells you the amount of torque, so that'd be a good way to quantify it.
Probably doesn't matter in the practical sense, but I wonder what makes for a stronger join, a fresh cut dado, or one cut days/weeks before glue up? Also what difference the type of wood would make, plywood vs solid pine vs MDF?
Dan, hope you're doing OK and will return to making videos soon. You're missed. Merry Christmas!
Merry Christmas to you too! I have no idea about fresh-cut vs days/weeks. That sounds like something Matthias Wandel should take a look at, with his stress-testing equipment. I'm not a fan of MDF because it's so brittle and chips easily, although my router table top is MDF backed by plywood. But I'd be willing to bet the glue would hold much better than screws. Plywood has seasonal size fluctuations, so I don't know how that works with epoxy glue.
Someone had to do this. The fact that it was you made my day. You're a brave soul, venturing into the unknown on expensive materials, but you, and thus us, walked away with much more knowledge. Thank you, good sir.
LOL, thanks! 😄As for expensive material, Powertec makes much more affordable t-tracks. Check them out: amzn.to/2Nhuw5A.
Great video Dan! The only reason to use screws to hold that T-Track in would be for removal or replacement. Otherwise, your choice of Epoxy is spot on! Happy New Year......
Yep, great point. And since I've removed and reused t-track a lot, I generally prefer screws. But in this case, they probably wouldn't have held up.
Thank you very much! Today I learned something new from you. I will definitely use the Gorilla 5-minute epoxy instead of ( or with a) screw in installing my T tracks.
Awesome! Glad I could help. 😄
I had a dilemma about whether 2 glue or screw my T-tracks. If I glued it, I couldn't reuse them 4 a bigger & better project. Since the intersections r the most expensive and definitely a reusable part of the project, I decided 2 screw the intersections, and glue the rest. Thx 4 ur vids, Dan. Always enjoy them and ur humor.
Awesome! Glad I could help. 😄
I enjoy your videos. This was an informative study on how to secure a t-track; nice process. And in passing, I made a plane blade scraper, and like you, I’ve found uses for it I hadn’t thought of before.
That's awesome! Thanks for sharing. 😄
That T-Track is pretty strong. I would have thought the edges would have bent upwards from the carriage bolt pulling on it. Happy New Year Dan!
Yeah, me too! Happy New Year to you too. 😄
Thanks Dan, I wouldn't of thought to try epoxy. I have used small pieces of T-track and drilled another hole in it to screw it down. Not anymore, epoxy it is! Did you roughen the outside of the T-track before you glued it or just left it smooth?
Glad to help! I didn't rough up the t-track, but it's probably a good idea. 😄
Very interesting. Amazing to see the washer dish like that without anything else moving. Did it compress the top of the plywood as well? It might be interesting to make some actual measurements, possibly with a socket wrench torque transducer such as this one from Harbor Freight: tinyurl.com/2xguupl2
I can see other variables. Will the wood fail first, or the bond to the anodized aluminum? What about if the aluminum surface is roughened? How does the strength of the epoxy compare to the screws typically used with the tracks? But then that may be getting more advanced than newbie stuff ...
Thanks, and that sounds like something Matthias Wandel could really sink his teeth into. 😄 The top piece of plywood was pine plywood, and yes, it definitely compressed. As for being more advanced, that wouldn't necessarily stop me, but the only thing that really matters is that it works, since there's no way anyone would tighten down something on a t-track with a socket wrench using that much torque, in real life. Thanks for the link to the HF adapter - that's pretty cool!
Great video! I've thought about doing this, and now we know it will work! Love the zombie shop rag!!!
Thanks, glad I could help. And that shop rag cracked me up. 😄
Hey from the cold cold north ( Ontario, Canada ) This is totally unrelated from what you have did on this video but I'd like some expertise advice on something. I want to build a jig, that I can duplicate a drill hole to an upper and lower peice of wood . I don't need a real complicated , intricate designed and near NASA specs. I need something I can do quick but easy . Thanks for even reading this. Rick
I need more info than this. If you have some pics, you can email them to me. Go to my website, thenewbiewoodworker.com, click the menu in the upper right, and select "Email".
Nice one, i bet screws would pull out much quicker
Yes, I agree. Of course, it really only has to hold enough for however you use it. Most of us don't use socket wrenches to tighten things down to t-tracks. 😄
Epoxy is strong stuff indeed! :-)
Thanks for sharing your test video. I don't actually think you need to worry about the epoxy sticking to the silicone matt so you should just be able to let it harden and then break / flex it off, the silicone matt should be flexible enough that you can simply bend it and the hardened and now solid epoxy should flake right off.
Thanks, I guess I should give it a try. 😄
Did you abrade the underside and/or sides of the anodized aluminum track prior to epoxy bonding, or did you just clean any oil/dirt off before bonding?
Edit: I see you answered this in a prior comment (you didn't abrade but you think it would be a good idea).
I don't know if it's needed or not, but it couldn't hurt. :)
Do you have any advise on what size counter sink bit to use when additional holes are drilled? I tried asking the question to Amazon and get no solid response. Powertec, the track I bought, also offers no help - astonishing they sell product but have no support for it. I should have found this video months ago and used epoxy instead of installing with screws.
It depends on what size screws you want to use, but in general, you'll want something small. But it probably doesn't really matter much, as long as you don't end up with a hole too big.
Thanks, I'm just about to install a bunch of T track and was wondering the same thing. I picked up the Lee Valley track, which has no pre-drilled holes. So I think I'm just going to glue them in and not make any holes at all in them and after seeing this I feel confident it won't be an issue. Thanks!
It should work great. And you don't really need a lot of glue - it's amazingly strong.
Always good info
Thanks! 😄
Bummer, I was hoping you were going to say you could leave epoxy on that mat. I got one for Christmas and thought that would be pretty cool if epoxy doesn't stick either. :) I may have to try a similar test where the t-track is screwed in. I'm curious how much those three screw holes would hold it down (not as well as the epoxy)
It turns out that yes, you can leave the epoxy on the mat, at least according to comments here from other people. And if you have any trouble getting it off, apparently you can just bend the mat so the epoxy cracks, then it should come off easily. Or so they say.😄
I use Rue Glue for this, plus screws. I believe it has some kind of etching agent in it for adhesion to non-porous surfaces such as aluminum and melamine. A one-step process - no mixing. In my experience so far it is plenty strong.
Awesome - thanks for the info! And sorry for the late reply.
"calling" for the socket actually worked! I'm impressed Dan :)
Thanks, Chuck. I thought that was hilarious - glad you enjoyed it. 😄
Unbelievable! Thank you for answering a question that I’ve always wondered.
Glad I could help! 😄
I died laughing when you said "here socket", then whistled for it to come to you like a dog! I love you sense of humor and personality, u make this fun!! Thank you
Thanks! I debated whether to leave that in or not, but every time I watched it, I cracked up. Glad you found it funny too! 😄
Marie from DIY Montreal uses Wellbond and dowels for clamps to glue her T-Track in place
Cool!
I just use strips of painters tape to mix my epoxy. Let it dry and toss it. Will use epoxy on my future t-track projects. Thanks, Dan.
Thanks, and I usually use painters tape too. Don't know why I left it out of this video. And you're welcome. 😄
Super vid
You just solved my problem.
Thanks!!
Awesome! Glad I could help. 😄
Just wanted to say I love that you cover your table saw with the mats. It makes sense. I have built half inch plywood sheets with cleats on both ends to hook on my hand tool workbench. It’s covered in paint and stain and cuts but my bench is still nice. I’ve thought about it for table saw but it’s nice to be able to cut without moving anything.
Thanks, and the plywood is a good idea. The thing I worry about with the mats is that condensation might build up on the cast iron, under the mats, so I don't leave them out for long. But they're definitely easy to put on and take off. I store them in their original boxes, because it's easy to roll them up and slide them in.
I use epoxy for lots of little projects I have a scrap piece of wood that I covered with 6 inch wide blue painters tape. I mix the epoxy on it and then just cover it with more tape. The other option is that I could just remove the tape after I'm done with the epoxy. Just a tip that I saw on a video somewhere and it works great for me.
I use painters tape a lot also, because it's easy to wrap up and throw away. I hadn't thought to use it on a block of scrap wood (I usually just put it on the bench top), but with scrap wood I could even use it when I have the project mat out. So thanks for that idea!
Excellent! Thanks - just building a sled
Awesome! Glad I could help. 🙂
I'm doing exactly the same.... upgrading from my old and inaccurate table saw sled and building a bigger, better one. My epoxy is arriving today, hope to have it all assembled in the next couple of days. :)
@@DaveHuk01 👍
I’m impressed & will try it, always top tips on UA-cam
Awesome! Glad I could help. 😄
Cool trick. Nice to know we can secure t-track with the epoxy and not have to worry about screwing through the other side of the wood.
Thanks, and I don't know why I didn't try this before! 😄
That's Good to Know!!! Thank You Sir!!! Great Demo!!!👍😎
Awesome! Glad I could help. 😄
Wow! I didn't know it will hold better than screws.
Thanks man.
Yeah, I didn't expect that either! 😄
Hi Dan, Well that surprised me. I thought the epoxy would give way quite easily. Great test. Take care Dan and I wish you and your family a very Happy New Year. Cheers, Huw
Thanks, Huw, and I had the same reaction. I really hadn't expected it to work so well. Happy New Year to you and yours, too. 😄And I've been meaning to mention it, but I appreciate that you include your name at the end of your comments (the first one in a thread), because it's hard to remember who's who sometimes. 😄
@@TheNewbieWoodworker 👍 Thanks George. 🤣🤣
@@WoodenItBeNice Did a double-take there. Very funny!!! 😂
In one of Dave Stanton's videos where he assembles his bench he uses euro screws which are short and fat (a bit like me!!!) and construction adhesive like "liquid nails" and it holds well. I've also used epoxy and if you use one of Kreg's hold down clamps which exert enormous pressure, the track can lift.
Check Project Farm, he did a recent review of multiple liquid nail/epoxy products.
😂Thanks for the info.
1) holding t-track down w/ epoxy..yup
2) so glad I’m not the only one who realizes you can whistle/call for missing sockets. Do it all the time. 😂
LOL! You either have to train them, or buy them already trained, but the pre-trained sockets are more expensive. 😂
@@TheNewbieWoodworker 😂
Show! Like!!!!! Thanks for sharing! (Brazil)
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I appreciate good Dad jokes! I hope you stick them in more videos. 😉
Thanks! I put them in some of my videos, every once in a while, so you can be sure there'll be more. And if I happen to get carried away sometime, I'll blame you. 😂
Very useful information! Epoxy is pretty amazing stuff for sure.
Thanks, and yes it is! I'm just learning to appreciate it. 😄
👍thanks for sharing,,Happy New Year
You're welcome, and thanks! 😄
I used 5 min epoxy on some t nuts. They didn't do very well when it came time to bolt the item on. What was my mistake? FYI I mixed the two parts equally and for at least 25-30 seconds. It is my first time using 5min epoxy. Please help
I have no idea. Maybe they needed to sit longer? I'm no expert on 5 minute epoxy, so I really don't know. 🙄
Might be that the epoxy used it was very old.
Other thing might be related to the batch of the epoxy itself ( or manufacturer ).
Could be also an issue with the application temperature too low.
@@c63s10 👍
Demonstrates how well you stick to something! Go Bro!
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Get some #4 screws for the t-track, which should fit and also allow the bolts to move. I had to get some for installing t-track for a drill press table I recently built. Worked very well, but I used CA glue for one track because it was a little loose for by liking.
Thanks. How did the CA glue work for you, for the t-track? And how much did you end up using?
@@TheNewbieWoodworker The CA glue worked very well - that one track isn't going anywhere! Didn't need too much, just about 2 long thin lines along the length of the groove. I didn't want to overdo it and make a mess. I did consider epoxy but thought it was overkill.
@@Erik_The_Viking Thanks for the info on the CA glue. I would have been too worried I'd glue myself to the dado. 😂
I am subscribed, and haven't heard from you in a long time. So good to see you back online. Did you pause in making them, or was UA-cam just not recommending them to me any longer?
Thanks! I only put out a handful of videos last year, because I'd gotten kind of burnt out. But I'm feeling re-energized now, so I expect this to be a great year, UA-cam-wise. As to whether UA-cam recommends videos or not, nobody really knows how their algorithm works, including them! 🤬😂
Subscribe to his channel so you don’t miss them. I find them entertaining and informative
@@tedpuckett2779 Thanks! And he actually is subscribed, he was just wondering where I've been. 😄
An interesting test, but what was that bit of “T” track for?
It's a part of my box joint jig, for clamping the stock to the carriage. Hopefully I'll be making a video on the jig at some point in the future.
That was a good exercise, good to know as thats the same epoxy that i use.
Cool! 😄
The shaking is an "essential tremor"' there is a treatment for it. Mine is practically gone.
went to the doc last year, now 78, and very pleased.
Interesting! It honestly doesn't bother me at all - I just don't like looking at it on video. But if it ever gets worse, I'll be sure to talk with my doctor about it, so thanks! 😄
@@TheNewbieWoodworker I have something similar that happens, however a trip to my chiropractor solves it for a month or two. Multiple car accidents... While chiros have a bad reputation, which is deserved, there are a lot of them out there who can unkink you for a very modest fee and you'll suddenly find that you don't get tired as easily or are just in a better mood with some nerves no longer compressed.
@@boots7859 Thanks for the tip!
Interesting video. I may use this in the future.
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Good information. Thank you and have a good new year.
Thanks, and you too! 😄
epoxy? yeah, based on what i know about glues, i'd say that's the best option for this application.
And apparently, you'd be right! 😄
@@TheNewbieWoodworker
have you tried other types of glue?
@@mrxmry3264 Nope. When I find something that works, I usually stop there. 😄
Thank you! Very interesting
Thanks, and you're welcome! 😄
Curious as to what you used to remove the epoxy on the mat. Please tell us.
Since the mat is rubber the epoxy doesn’t stick to it very easily so you can just peel it off, ideally before it cures.
Like mmcfreds said, apparently I could have just let it set for a while, then peeled it off. But I used "Goof Off" (yes, that's the real name). 😄
Great video! Hope you have a great year
Thanks, and you too! 😄
Worked well, epoxy is a tad underated at times.
As you say, it's a T-track and really isn't meant for over tightening massive amounts of pressure.
Did you sand the bottom and sides of the T-track for better adhesion?
Actually, I didn't sand the bottom and sides, which I thought about afterwards. Fortunately it obviously didn't need it. 😄
@@TheNewbieWoodworker
Ha, great minds...😉
Wonder just how much more strength it might have added? 🤔
Take care, mate 👍🏽
@@SMee67 I'm thinking the lack of sanding might have made it somewhat more grippy with the additional surface area.
@@boots7859
It's proven that sanding/scuffing up slick surfaces yields a better purchase for glue ups.
@@SMee67 Sanding wood may help, but my friend Matt Jackson from Next Level Carpentry always scuffs up the bottoms of magnets when he glues them with CA glue, so it may depend on the material and/or type of glue. But that's just my speculation.
Good job Dan keep it up 👍
Thanks, will do! 😄
Thank you!
You're welcome! 😄
Cool.
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Confused why using screws would be a bad fastener. Why the need for epoxy?
Sometimes the bottom of the dado isn't thick enough for screws - they stick out the other side, Of course you can always grind the ends of the screws down, and I've done that. But if there's just not enough room, or you're afraid the screws won't hold for some reason, then epoxy works great.