ALLISON Swapping my Dodge Ram CUMMINS 2500
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- Опубліковано 13 лип 2024
- My 68RFE behind my 3rd gen Cummins was starting to show it's age so it was time for an upgrade. I decided on an Allison 1000 from CA Conversions. In this video, I document the work that went into this upgrade. The kit from CA Conversions was very complete, but since I am who I am I couldn't just stab this in. I had some things that needed to be completed while the truck was down anyway so I upgraded a few more things along the way. I converted all of my power delivery cables to marine grade wiring so stop current issues and prevent future issues. I hope if you are looking at this conversion this video can help you along your way.
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0:00 - Intro
0:52 - Removing old parts
4:11 - Recovering Cadillac at wedding
4:29 - Disconnecting old transmission
5:50 - Removing transmission cooler lines
7:25 - Removing transfer case
8:43 - Removing transmission
9:33 - Removing engine adapter plate
11:01 - Clearancing block
16:09 - Clearancing transmission for cooler bypass
16:15 - More block clearancing for fitment issues
21:19 - Torque convertor installation in transmission
21:59 - Aftermarket coolant bypass notes
22:28 - More block clearancing
24:50 - Allison installation begins
28:27 - Transfer case stud removal
29:27 - Odds and ends
30:13 - Transfer case adapter & tone ring
30:53 - Lots of wiring
31:46 - Shifter cable bracket
32:47 - Transfer case seals
33:22 - Transfer case mounting info
34:44 - Wiring changes
36:06 - Transfer case rear seal replacement
36:49 - Removing trans crossmember to install bottom transfer case bolt
39:07 - Trans cooler line overview
39:34 - New drive shafts
40:00 - Transmission fill tube
41:00 - Starter cable routing
41:54 - Trans cooler bypass mounting
42:36 - Starter connected
43:50 - Family dinner in the shop
44:29 - Major positive delivery system changes
45:14 - Throttle position sensor connection
47:07 - NSBU Switch
47:35 - It's alive!!
48:39 - It's back at my house
51:33 - Launch 123 reading transmission codes
52:21 - Driving with Allison swapped Cummins
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ATS Diesel makes an Allison conversion that doesn't require grinding the block and its compatible to the existing computer with no programming needed. Base price approximately $12,000 for a direct bolt in and "plug and play" electrical.
@@billgreen5490 Yeah, but it's ATS and all the negativity that comes with. Plus they are still new at the Allison where CAConversions has been at this for over 20 years. A little block grinding, cutting and splicing wires, but I'm very confident I have a much better package than what ATS is putting out. I've watched their transmissions get torn down and it's not quality parts that went in.
Ams oil is shit, look into schaeffers oil
@@michaelgalea7509 I’ve got a friend who runs Schaefer and really likes it. I started running Amsoil in my AAM axles because that’s what everybody suggested. I’ve also got another friend who ran Amsoil in an engine that had a manufacturer recall for excessive engine wear and when he took his in at 100,000 miles the dealer said it looked like a brand new engine and told him to keep running whatever oil he was running.
@@michaelgalea7509 not one Schaeffers product has gone 409,000 mile OCI Amsoil has. Yeah you read this right Amsoil Signature Series has done this and literally blown the doors off the competition for decades but hey you have to do your own homework I'm not gonna do it for you. The testimonies are out their . Many many many it's also why Amsoil has secured the most commercial accounts to date. But I'll just keep using it wif my tinfoil hat while my mpg is better and maintenance cost reduced less than conventional oil changes and engine life extended.
What separates the tech/mechanic from the grease monkey, is tenacity. You have tenacity and you learn from your mistakes. I was an auto mechanic for over 40 years, and I've did my share of trial and error modifications on things as well. That's how you gain skills. The school of hardknocks has a cruel mistress for an instructor, but the lessons learned separate the men from the boys. Don't feel bad. It fought, but you fought back.
Wow!! Such an amazing comment, thank you so much! I have certainly gained skills from this modification and it's always cool to be able to look back and know how beaten you were and to know you clawed your way back and now you get to reap the fruits of your labors. I absolutely love doing this stuff and sometimes I may hate the job, but in the end I finish it and get to enjoy the finished product.
@@TheRoostersGarage That's how it was for me too. It was a job that I "loved to hate". I'm disabled now, but I miss being able to tinker with cars like I used to, and I even like the modern muscle cars as well. My dream was to take a 72 Demon body and marry the entire drivetrain, suspension, braking system from a 2018 Demon, with all the creature comforts of the 2018, but that's a dream that I hope some UA-camr does while I observe.
That would be an awesome combo! I've seen some new body suspensions put on the old classics but never seen anybody do an entire body swap to the new rolling chassis.
Mechanic is even a loose term. Technician is where its at.
No such thing as bolt on application, get ready for trial & error
Great job
Gonna try this on a 74 Winnebago
Wish me luck😢
The best part of all of this is that once this is all done, there is no Dodge in the drivetrain.👌
I guess you are correct. Cummins engine, Allison transmission, AAM axles
Does Allison do seats and window switches ?
Cost of conversion please
@@fredblair8694 Right about $16k with the wiring
@@TheRoostersGarage thanks for the prompt reply sadly I'm to old to poor to consider this but sure you guys do a great job I've been otr truck driver for 57 years her in usa and back in uk drove some of the biggest earthmoving dump trucks with Allison transmission absolutely the best at well over 100 tons gross seamless shifts and power delivery 👍
You proved to be a stubborn badger standing it's ground against a lion of a project! You prevailed and now you get to enjoy eating the fruitage of your labor. So satisfying to see all that working as good as, or rather, EVEN BETTER, than factory. Sweet truck!!!
Thank you very much! This has got to be the best comment ever!
Good to see you in a better frame of mind than the other day some times life gets to be to much but keep your head up and truck on man your doing a great thing
Good video
I have a 2011 3500 Ram 500 HP. I also went with the Allison 1000 from C&A conversions.
About 18 months ago.
K C & Dave are awesome. After watching your video. Having Dave and his crew do the installation. Worth every penny. They are the best!!!
They are really great people. I did this install in September but wanted to get quite a bit of driving on the truck before releasing the video. I was hoping to have a fix for the loss of 4 low included in the video but I’m still working on a solution and so are they.
How many dollars to make the swap????
@@billywilliams6853 It varies based several conditions. If you are considering it, contact CAConversions at www.caconversions.com/inquiry-form and they will get you a quote.
@@billywilliams6853 Give us a shout, be happy to get you a quote for your application.
Reminds me of manual swapping my 01, I gutted the donor truck and my truck and did most of the work myself. Never want to do it again 🤣 I had my doubts but was super proud when it was all done and driveable !
That's awesome!! Yeah, I never want to do this again either.
Gonna be doing the same soon to my 01. I'm not looking forward to it😂
@@roadkill_wildcat4742 it's not terrible. I did it in my driveway with little help and basic hand tools.
Thank you for posting this. I have contemplated this for a while and seeing how much work you put in has convinced me to not tackle such a monumental task.
When I decided to take this on myself, there weren't many videos on it and I knew I wanted to document everything. It's a huge process, but CA will do it for you.
I've seen several people do this and they don't survive behind a mild Cummins.
@@jameshardin4326 Really?! CA has been doing this for 20+ years and the Cummins is their bread and butter. One of their employees has a 3rd gen Cummins and hauls heavy loads all the time. Only time will tell and I am quite talented at breaking stuff.
@@TheRoostersGarage
No. His comment is a bold faced lie lol. He’s acting like 30,000 people have done this and half of them have failed 😂
I doubt there is even 30,000 total Allison swapped “rams” on the road
I can’t wait to be ally swapped in my truck. Not wasting my time on a 68 cause it’ll still drive like a 68 at the end of the day
@@user-ql4op7hx8f I always try to find out more when people say things like that online. It's not like we can have a face-to-face discussion and work things out like that. Honestly the only Allisons I've heard of with issues are in GM vehicles using GM programming. Apparently something in there is the issue. I went with CA because they offer the commercial programming that's supposed to be the same as what's in busses, box trucks, etc. that all go hundreds of thousands of miles hauling heavy. Much more than I'll ever do with my truck, but mine should run 1 million miles without a hitch.
Wow, a lot of work, but you stayed on it and it seems to run great! Thanks for sharing.
Thank you! Yes, it's a ton of work and it runs better than it ever has. This truck was a bucket of problems when I bought it and I've been getting them all resolved.
This was a GREAT and informative video, bro! I’m not a diesel guy but interested for the future!
Thank you so much!
This upgrade turns this truck 8nto a beast and retty much bullet proof. Love it!❤
That was exactly the idea. I like to fix problems, not band-aid them
My hat is off to you there Sir that was one heck of a job time consuming and patience beating you are the man
Thank you so much!
Great selection! AND it is now a truly tough, dependable power train too.
Thanks!
I finally got my ATS DIESEL ALLISON CONVERSION KIT, looks a lot simpler then the kit you got. My bel housing bolts directly to my original one, my starter stays in its original position and my transfer case just has a 5/8 adapter plate, and it doesn't use a an adapter shaft between the transmission and transfer case
ATS build a brand new bellhousing for the mating of the two. I would like to run that bellhousing and get my Cummins starter back. That's interesting about the transfer case end.
The ultimate drivetrain a Cummins and an Allison I had no idea you could Do this
Yeah, it's been very solid too. Lockup happens before second gear, fuel mileage is up a bit, and it tows like a dream.
Rooster's Garage.. Looks like a lot of work but worth it in the end. Thanks for sharing it.
It sure was a ton of work, but I wanted people to know what to expect with this kit. I still think it's worth it and think the only transmission that's better would be a manual, but I'm pretty old school and would have only manuals if it were up to me
Very nice job. Lots blood sweat and good job. Like to see how it runs when its all said and done.
Cheers
The end of the video shows me driving it around
CLEAN & POLISH HOUSING 👌🏼
I have always thought about doing this to one of my 01 dodge Cummings trucks but never imagined it would be such a project.
It was not designed to be in a Dodge, and all the SAE adapter plates are too big to fit in the tunnel which makes this more challenging. Yeah, I thought I could stab the new transmission in the same day I pulled the old one out. LOL!!
Gotta admire your persistence, there's a reason why I've insisted on stick shifts for the last 20 years...
That would have been a lot easier but my wife can’t drive a stick
I bet she could learn in no time. She'd end up being a smoother shifter than you ;-) Loved the video.
@@n6mz She was learning until she killed one of my previous vehicles at a stop sign and she got nervous as people were waiting behind her. I tried to get her back out, but she was done after that. She says she can’t do it and I keep telling her she can if she wants to
I refuse & Can't drive an automatic .
More grinding and cutting than I expected from the conversion. I have a G56 in my 2006 so I likely won't be converting. Maybe when I get old and tired of rowing through the gears.
I overground and the instructions were missing but I didn't realize it. I had a couple sheets and when I got to the wiring and ran out of sheets and their videos I called them. There's a big spot on the grinding that says "DO NOT OVERGRIND".
I was thinking of commenting, "should have bought a manual truck..."
@@madman432000 Well I wanted a Mega Cab 3rd gen and this one came up for sale so I jumped on it.
ATS Allison conversion doesn't require grinding.
Well done. I'm actually impressed
Thank you! My goal with everything I do is to make it look like it left the factory that way and not to make some huge mess. Whether I accomplish that goal is another thing.
Good video very thorough with alot of info!
Thank you! That was my goal. It's a huge modification and I wasn't seeing any detailed videos on it. I wanted to be able to give back to the community.
I love your new song "Rich Men north of Richmond" Your a legend on that acoustic bro...
That's not me. I've seen him and we do look similar though
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Thanks for the great vid, which I just found. Have talked to Dave at CA a couple of times in the past 2 weeks and am about to spring for the Allison for my 2000 24 valve which has the 47re. I see no comments here about trucks that old, but Dave says no problem. I notice ATS only starts with a solution for the 48re.
Used to race my truck (15-18 years ago), would do 1/4 mile in 13.5 seconds. SINCE then, went to compound turbos, even bigger injectors ("200 hp"), and run about 80 psi. At least 100 hp more than when I raced. I had everything ATS had to offer- billet shafts, valve body, 5 star torque converter. Anyways, fully built 47re. I've snapped 2 input shafts, and have had additional failures, the last one towing a 10,000 lb trailer to Alaska. Anyways, I estimate I've got about $20,000 in that tranny alone. The last decade I have NOT been running extra power- too expensive! Only 180K miles, but massive rust. Now in the last week, hauling firewood, tranny slipping, trouble shifting... I'm done with the constant $2k-$3k repair bills.
Sorry for the rambling, but happy to see your process! Really surprised to see comments here about how strong the 48 is. Scratching my head on that.
SO looking forward to (very likely) swapping with a built Allison.
A lot of the comments are in regards to truck pulls, etc. but I'm pretty sure those get torn down and rebuilt pretty often. 350 feet is one thing, pulling a trailer across the country is another. I know CA has done older trucks - they've been at this for 20+ years. Your truck sounds like a beast! That's what I love about diesel trucks, you can race it, then pull a trailer to Alaska. I don't see any funny cars or NASCAR trucks pulling trailers around! That's a lot of money put into a transmission that keeps having issues. If you go with CA, they will treat you right. There's not many companies left that treat customers well, but CA is one of them for sure. When I picked it up after having to ship it down to them, KC wanted me to call her when I got home just to make sure everything was good even though I was spending a week in Florida before going home.
I'm mostly stock on my truck, but it had been through a weight loss program before I bought it, then I upgraded the turbo when the factory one started acting wonky at 220k. I finished with the Allison swap November of last year and ran it for a while before uploading the video so I could also report how it was going after many months of use. I've just been learning the new transmission and how it behaves in different conditions. I don't feel the boat behind the truck anymore and pulling up the boat ramp I was at 1200 rpm instead of the 2000 I was at before the swap. My old gooseneck trailer that I haven't yet weighed pulls great now. The old transmission always felt like I was dragging an anchor, but with this one the power goes to the ground. Heck, I've even spun tires with the gooseneck hooked up while pulling out onto a road.
@@TheRoostersGarage really appreciate your response, not expected as I know it takes a lot of time! I read all the posts here and all your responses are really helpful to many trying to make correct decisions. So thanks for that. I have my own UA-cam channel and I actually think I'm going to put some effort into videoing the whole process for a 47re. The dream of changing out that transmission has been with me for at least two decades :-) I love my truck, it has lots of sentimental as well as practical value still, but I want to be able to use some of that power again...
@@alaskax Thank you! Go for videoing the process! I had almost 40 hours of footage for this video because I wanted to get every facet of it to help others out.
No problem at all doing the older trucks, Have a bunch of them out there running the streets.
Way to persevere and overcome the obstacles. 👍
Thank you sir!
Just video I've seen of yours, I enjoyed the build.
Thank you!
Yeah but damn that thing is gonna be bullet proof!! Good video!
Pretty much! Thank you!
ALWAYS check that everything is in the box!
Yet another lesson I'm still trying to learn. Someone else commented to clean it BEFORE I start and I'm bad at that too.
awesome we Wonna see this running
Towards the end of the video is where I'm driving it around
You did a really good job making this video.
Thank you!
Glad to know this, I’ll go with the 4” exhaust
I love the sound of the 5" and if I took it to a shop for all repairs then I probably wouldn't care. I'm figuring out how to work around the 5" though
You did a good job putting in a new transmissions.
Thank you very much!
Great job man!
Thanks!
New Subscriber here. I felt your pain with that adapter plate lol. It seems no matter what project I have, it becomes the most complicated one! Great video!
Thank you for subscribing! Yeah, I have a knack for taking an easy project and turning it into something harder.
That looks amazing
Thank you!
OMG dude what a job! Kudos to you brother I wouldn't even attempt it on my own.
Thanks. I'm just a glutton for punishment
@@TheRoostersGarage can't wait for your video on how it's going. I have the exact same truck. When I bought mine unbeknownst to me it had a Jasper transmission in. No issues with it yet.
@@igotursixx2665 That’s awesome! I waited to upload this video until I had several months an over 10,000 miles on this mod. There will be more mods to come on this, as well as other projects.
Wow a lot of work good job
Thank you very much!
Hey man, great gob showing a lot of detail! I've seen several vids of guys using a soup can of same size over the rear seal and tap away. Merchant Automotive sells one with their logo on it. Been thru that one myself.
Back to the vid. Almost done
That would work and I’ll have to check out Merchant Automotive as well. Thanks for the tip! Before I did this swap I couldn’t find any videos with any level of detail showing how it was done from start to finish, so I wanted to video the entire thing and at the very least let people understand what this level of undertaking is. Then for that person who’s stuck on something, I wanted this video to be able to answer their question and get them back to work.
Dude, you rock! I watched the video from start to finish. Were you happy with CA Conversions?
Thank so so much!! I couldn’t be more pleased with CA Conversions. Outstanding customer service, great people, American owned, always willing to answer the phone and help you through issues.
Biggest difference between light duty ( gm) and medium duty( class4,5, and 6 /4500ect) Allison programming is the torque converter clutch locks have way through 2nd gear( fills like 2-3shift) and stays locked down to 15mph . This reduces Trans Temps and improves trasn life exponentially, and gets rid of the soccer mom buttery soft shifts.
It reduces temperatures so much that both my Trans builder and CA C required that I rerouted the cooler lines to go out front first then the liquid to liquid ( big log on the side of the cummins) to warm the fluid back to operating temp, Allison programming dose not allow learning below 148°f Trans temp.
Dave ( owner of CA Conversions ) was very good with assisting me getting all the little details figured oit.
In my kit they have a thermostatic bypass that routes the fluid back into the transmission until it reaches a certain temperature. That's the thing mounted underneath the transmission and they explained the reasoning to me as well. The transmission controller from CAC uses the Allison programming. The shifts aren't soft and the torque converter locks up in 2nd gear. Pulling my boat with this transmission is a world of difference from my last transmission and it's only about 5000 lbs or so.
The difference between CAC and my builder was that Holen Fox transmission, was to use the liquid to liquid on the return line to bring the Trans up to temp at the same rate as the motor . I have -20-30f Temps to deal with and the way you have it setup it won't warm up for me . I did add a 20k btu cooler on the "to cooler" line and a missimoto thermal oil bypass(160°f) to bypass the big double pass cooler for loads builder requiredupgradingthe lines to3/4". My builder strictly works on medium duty trucks/ busses he built it for 2k tq don't care about hp as 1st gens make 3:1 (tq:hp) and top out at ~600hp/1800tq with a race VE pump 400hp/ 1200tq with stock pump. A p pump making 400hp is only 800tq due to fixed timing.
Agen well done . It took me about 1 month to do the install wille workin 80-90hrs a week working on Fed Ex Freightlander delivery trucks( sorce of my cores). Trans tunnel had to be pushed up ~ 6" and widened ~9"on my 91.5 2wd it's very tight no room for a 4" exhaust between the starter and frame so I ran it through the finder and down the outside of the frame.
@@daviddroescher Liquid to liquid? That’s cool! I don’t have to deal with that kind of cold here in Tennessee. I wish diesel stuff would be rated in torque instead of HP, even tractors are rated in HP and its crazy because they have so much torque and the HP number is pretty meaningless. Your truck makes mine seem easy! That’s a lot of customization to make this big trans fit. My buddy has a 90 or 91 4wd and I was shocked how small that trans was.
@@TheRoostersGarage W to W is on the passenger side of the block under the manifold for 1st gen . I went a little further on fording my truck. I used a Ford Silhouette mounted on the Fender Where the stock 2/0 cable reached . Then a key hot to both terminals on the starter. No chance for voltage drop to the signal.
@@daviddroescher Nice!! I love to see how other people accomplish mods, especially when they’ve done it well.
Our F650 rollback had a 5.9 / Allison 1000, it had 400,000 on it when we sold it, the cab and fenders were rough, but ran good, never had a trans issue, new spin on, drain and fill every 30,000, new sump filter every 90,000.
That's a few miles! I'll be keeping up on the maintenance of both so I get a bunch of miles out of it
I actually considered doing the swap but I traded the truck in for a 2021, 3500 DRW Chevy with a 10 speed. I’m glad I didn’t do it because you are having such a good time and I don’t miss my Dodge not a bit, thanks for running this video man big job
Let me know how that 10 speed treats you. Like with anything new, people say it's garbage but I heard it's not an Allison 10 speed, even though it has their name. Honestly I looked at the 10 speed to swap it in too, but it was too new at the time so I stayed away.
Man, I got stressed just watching you!! I would have blown a gasket! You were pretty cool headed, i gotta give you that.
Don't be fooled, there was a bit of wrench throwing off camera. It was very stressful at times, like grinding the block and then again when nothing was going right. It wound up being worth it in the end.
Wow, and just thonk im wanting to do this.... without a lift. Thanks for the video.
Doing it without a lift would have been how I did it if not for the very generous offer of a good friend who installed the lift in his shop a couple weeks prior. Hope this video helps you decide how you want to proceed.
Man you should have got the 68 rebuilt. They have those things so dialed now with tunes and hard parts. It makes the Allison a dinosaur in comparison
I have heard lots of horror stories on built 68's, and CA replaces a lot of built 68s with Allisons. Do it once and be done
Well done!
Thank you!
Dave is hilarious. Been there a few times when I worked in Nashville to get some driveshafts balanced.
Yes he is! He's a salty guy, but I get along with that type of person quite well.
Daunting project, you won. It works
It was very daunting, but worth it
You're gonna love that Allison i got one in my lb7 great transmission cummins finally wised up and went with a reliable trans for their hd line up
Yeah, I've had it for a couple years now and I love it. I know they've been using the Aisin in the 3500's for a while. Is that the one you are referring to?
@@TheRoostersGarage yea the aisin is good trans for towing don't get me wrong but the Allison1000 transmission imo is better only due to the fact of sordid oil pump and trans valve body when it gernades It ain't pretty but again just my opinion
@@rooster72886 I've never had any personal dealings with the Aisin, but a friend was upgrading to a 3500 and I told him to make sure that's the trans he got. It has been holding up well pulling his camper so far
@@TheRoostersGarage exactly the a great transmission is key when towing mine was stock but it's built now to a stage 5 ppe Suncoast transmission and was well worth the 10500
dedication at its finest
Thank you!
i recently swapped my 06 to a g56... if i wasnt so hellbent on wanting to throw a stick, this would have been the path id have gone as well. I have an m2 as my Work truck and it has the a1k behind a 6.7 and its such a pleasure to drive around.
If I didn't have to have an automatic on account of my wife and working in the city, I would have manual swapped it. I do love the Allison though. My 68 had over 200k miles and the torque converter wasn't doing much. It was truly a night and day difference
The Allison 1000 is a perfect match for the 5.9. It really improves the drivable. The only real problem was with wiring and computer. Fabricate shields to protect and reliability drastically improved. The big brown trucks would easily keep us with traffic in city or highway driving
The Allison 1000 as far as gears was nearly identical to the 68RFE
Overwhelming....Purdy work !!!
Thank you! There were a few times I was overwhelmed and didn't think I could finish it. Thought I might have bitten off more than I could chew, but I just focused on one small task after another and before I knew it they were all done.
Been damn near 20 years since I heard a Ernest joke.. now I gotta subscribe plus lookin into either a Allison or a Randy’s transmission still can’t decide.
LOL! Thanks. Ernest is dearly missed. I looked at Randy's as well. I've got over 10,000 miles on this with zero issues. Good luck in your decision.
Would you say your setup is about the same in cost?
@@jesscolliflower5531 I can’t remember theirs exactly but it seemed everyone was hovering in the $15k neighborhood and with my wiring I’m about $16k
Awesome man Oregon boy with a 2003 3erd Gen 240.000 now with transmission replacement they said its a ats tyranny rebuild from transmission solutions in Eugene or back when I bought the truck in 2014 or something only problem was dodge dealer 7000 in fule replacement tank pump they did nothing to engine pump vp44 and charge me 7000 gs need fass fule pump now to same me from this catastrophic fule deal happens again but I still love my problem child as many people say about the 2003 but standard as heck my truck till the end of my days lol.good video man really good job don't let anyone tell you otherwise thanks for sharing all your work sometimes take twice don't worry cool cool
Thanks! I threw a Fass on my truck to keep my CP3 pumping for a long time.
I did the CA Conversations kit as well! Karen and Dave accully came out to the farm to fix my "ATS" disaster!!! It works great, but if your truck is running at least 700 to 900 horse, you need to use differnt clutches and higher flow pump in the trans, I burnt out 2 because of my power rating in my 6.7.
I don't know what my power is at, but I have only done airflow and a tuner so I doubt I'm much over 500 if that much.
@Rooster's Garage you should be perfectly fine then. I've got big injectors, cp3, fass 150, and big compounds on mine and it tears things up so. I hope your build goes smooth for ya!! Enjoy the new allison it makes a awesome difference!!
Great video
Thank you!
Hi, the old-school Chevy inside door and window handle clip removal tool will work for the cooler lines..
Thanks for the tip!
Outstanding
Thank you very much!
Oh so you’re doing exactly what I’ve wanted to do a brand new 2500 mega cab with an Allison trans
Except for the whole "brand new" part of that 2500. She had 200k when I bought her, but I love the 3rd gens and I'm gonna keep her around. I will tell you the Allison is a beast. I don't worry about it, it pulls everything I have great and I can't feel the boat behind me for the most part. Even my gooseneck trailer empty with the stock 68 felt like I was dragging anchor.
I watched your video, and after I seen all the work and modifications you had to do, I watched the video from ATS DIESEL, I decided to go with there transmission Alison swap kit instead. Looks a lot nicer all the way around.
Let me know how that one works out for you
The clingers! That's my kind of people!
Just a suggestion for those doing major works, take the time to get under it and clean it BEFORE you do stuff. Makes a lot cleaner job and less extra work trying to keep crud out while working.
That's great advice, and I always forget until just after I make the vehicle unable to run. On this one I was draining the transfer case or transmission when I had that thought.
Instead of notching your transmission and adapter plate you could of relocated your coolant bypass kit to the 3rd rear side coolant plug, just take the bolt hole measurements have a machinest counter sink to allen head bolt holes and it will work on the side of your block.
Oh wow!! I didn't even think of that! Thanks for the excellent tip!
Great video, and the random humor... i was laughing out loud (I'm on a airplane at 36k feet... )
Thank you very much, and that’s awesome!!
I FEEL FOR YOU BROTHER!!!!!!!!
Thank you!
Personally I thing built 48re’s are better than an Allison but to each his own. Still a cool swap
I wanted to stick with 6 gears but yeah, this is just one option
Great job..
Thank you
Love the video. Great info on the install and is much appreciated. Can I ask why you went with CA instead of ATS? ATS is plug and play with not grinding of the engine and you get to keep all your reverse lights, backup camera, sensors and stuff. Just curious if there is a reason why you did not go with them.
No need to answer OP, I've seen the other comments where you responded about the same question lol
@@johnnybags87 Hey, no worries! As a 3rd gen I don't have backup cameras, sensors and all of that. With the CA kit I get to keep backup lights. They use the neutral safety switch to know when it's in reverse and I tap into my harness. I think the 4th gen conversions are a whole lot smoother and they are working on refining the 3rd gen kit more. Apparently there is more demand for the 4th gens.
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Look at some of the work ATS has done. I wouldn't buy parts from them.
Sorry I must have missed it but that scan tool plugs into the TCM? I'm getting ready to go this route with a 2nd gen all though not using CA Conv stuff.
Yes, but not the vehicle’s OBD port. CA has an additional OBD port and that’s what I hooked into. It’s only got a few pins hooked up so I had to go through all the steps since it can’t auto populate the vehicle data.
What exhaust brake are you running and how did you get it to work with the Allison transmission? Is your Allison the 5 or 6 speed and does it have the manual tap shift selector? Im looking at doing this for my 05 5.9 cummins as Im tired of the 48re upshifting to 4th or overdrive when I dont want it to going up through passes or even around town causing the Cummins to lug and chew through fuel.
It's a 6.7 so it's using the stock VGT at the time of this video. I've upgraded to a Fleece due to the turbo seals and bearings going out after 240k miles. Mine is the 6 speed, but it's my understanding the 5 and 6 speed are the same transmissions, just different programming. CA has also built the module to use the factory tap shift button on my shift lever and I opted to use that as well. CA Conversions has done a bunch of 5.9s so give them a call and discuss your options and get a quote. www.caconversions.com/ is their website.
Try using a 6” rigid pipe wrench for installing removing studs they work when you dont have specific tools
Thanks! I always appreciate learning from people who have a better way
Guy, I greatly appreciate you showing the video 💯 I feel bad you bumped your head some 20 times, I’m curious as to what was your total money spent ? but I give you a 100 in regards to effort, patients, and willingness! but I’m suspecting you blew your budget. Nonetheless thank you for the video. I know it’s been a year ago but I skipped across this, I just bought a 2K3 gen 3 , I’m looking to upgrade a few things.
Thank you very much!! The transmission was about $14k. Had I been able to source a used Allison for them to rebuild I would have saved a bunch
Just a quick question: Is the adapter to extend the transmission back to the transfer case long enough that a Gear Vendors overdrive/underdrive box could be added? Im guessing the front drive line might have to be lengthened. But it would certainly make it easier to keep the engine rope in the top of the torque curve.
No, it's to fit the adapter shaft and studs that adapts the back of the Allison to the Dodge transfer case. Some T case models are used on both Dodge and Chevy and you could swap the input shaft in the T case as long as the bolt pattern lines up. This one I don't believe was used in a Chevy truck.
Nice i need that my 68 is starting to slip in 4th and 5th after i did a bunch of mods 375k on it now.
Contact CAConversions and they will give you a quote, and they will even install it for you if you want. It's a family run business and it's really some great people that work there. I can't recommend them highly enough.
A year and a half later, how do you like it? Does that kit have the ability to defuel the engines on the shifts like the duramax/allison combo?
I still love it, but no it doesn't interface with the ECM. The only shifts that are rough are when I put it in manual and downshift on a hill, but if I lift my foot it's better. It pulled a 14k dump trailer up my 30 degree driveway like it was nothing. My 68 had trouble pulling my 6k boat out of the water.
How are things going with the converted rig? I found a used cac kit for $6500
Was wondering if you have any updated feelings on how she shifts now?
Are the shifts smooth as can be or are they rough
You don’t want an automatic to have buttery smooth shifts because that wears out clutches prematurely. They are stiff without being rough. When I pull a load they get harsher, but then they go back to normal. The transmission learns how you drive and tries to optimize the shifts accordingly.
At the moment I have a really boost leak and it got really bad when pulling my gooseneck. It’s doing good to get 10psi! As soon as it lost boost, the transmission unlocked the torque converter because it recognized it as an extremely heavy load. New boost tubes are coming in, and after that it should go back to lockup after driving around with power again. I thought something might have gone haywire in the tranny, but a friend of mine who’s an Allison tech let me know this is exactly how they are programmed in the medium duty truck world.
Lil guy has a mint tshirt!!!
Great video, now you've got a real towing vechile. On the transfer case do you think the stock one will hold up mine I had to fix a small crack from the tourqe that my new 68RFE that I replaced around 210,000mi on the original one. Mine is a 2007.5 I deleted everything when it hit 26,000mi and run a Smarty JR Tuner with the Middle Eastern Software, I've left it in the tow mode with all the settings set to the basic Tune. I've always said if Dodge, Cummins and Allison would just get together and just make the Heavy Duty with this set up then you would really have something. Hat's off to you, you did a great job even with some of the set backs that you encountered when doing the install. You did say you were in TN? right. Were about are you located at, I live N of Nashville up in the Whitehouse area off of 31W. If your close by I sure would like to be able to stop by and check it out if you wouldn't mind. Well anyway great job and great video.
Thank you so much! I do think the stock transfer case will hold up. I’ve heard horror stories of the computer putting it into 4lo on the interstate so that may get some attention next. The first few years for the 6.7 seem to be the black sheep of the family. Everything is just weird and it was a transition so I think Dodge was scrambling to meet regulations and threw some parts together without as much testing as usual. I live in the Watertown area. Which 68 builder did you go with? I looked at several before going with the Allison.
After you completed the installation did any lightscome on thr dashboard showing up?
No, this throws no codes. I do however have codes for other mods, namely the alternator uses an external voltage regulator instead of the computer and the computer is always throwing a code. But nothing has ever been thrown for the Allison swap
I'm looking at the weld on the rear drive shaft at the rear pinion and that is some of the sorriest welding I've ever seen. I'm not real sure but it looks like there is a hole they left when starting the bead. If you did the welding my apologies but that shaft needs to be rewedded by a reputable shop. You're doing a great job overcoming a few challenges but you're stickin with it.
The bad thing is it was welded at a reputable shop…. He hates welding aluminum driveshafts and it shows. The front steel driveshaft looked great.
I had a Ford F-650 work truck with a Allison 1000 and a 6.7 Cummins…weirded me out first time I popped the hood!
I bet! This truck is a mudball of parts at this point, but it works great.
I have 68RFE but seems to be pretty good for me. I have 190k on it so far. This is sweet.
Mine was pretty good up until 225k
The 68RFE is an ok trans just doesn’t do well when it’s a work truck or towing a heavy loads a lot. The Asian is as strong as an Allison but nowhere as smooth and doesn’t going hunting for gears in traffic.
@@mikewill1891 I am not sure why Ram is still offering both. I suppose the cost.
How do you like the Launch 123 reader? Can you also display gauges and pids on it? Just looking for a decent alternative to the edge cts3...cost wise.
It’s a good reader, but it’s not meant to be a display like the Edge. It’s only about $150 which I think is a great price for an Android-based code reader
@@TheRoostersGarage awesome! Thanks for the advice!
I have 3 g56 6.7's and the exhaust brake doesnt work all that well on any of them. The one that works the best it won't stop working and sets a cel
Mine now works like a manual truck and its twice as good as it was before, but yeah its not great. There is a section of road I travel which is quite steep and unloaded downhill I still increase speed with the exhaust brake on. It’s about like someone scrubbing the brakes just a hair and keeps some brake dust off my wheels although not much.
Don't doubt yourself we are able to do unlimited things with mistakes it how we Learn
Thank you! I left that part in because we all go through down times and sometimes just seeing another person going through it and persevere through can help somebody else.
G56 6 speed manual. 480,000 problem Free miles, 2nd clutch at 360,000🤙👍✌️☝️
That's awesome! I love manual transmissions but my wife can't drive one so I have to stick with an automatic in this truck.
Awesome video man!! A lot of good content. I'm just gonna buy the 3500 instead and not have to worry about anything!!!
I think all the new ones come with the Aisin transmission now and the 68RFE is no longer installed. Don't quote me on that but I think that's what I've heard.
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The new 2500's still come with the 68rfe trans. I was really wanting to get a new 2500 but once I found out that it comes with the 68, I'm deciding to go with the 3500 HO!! Even the 3500's with the standard Cummins comes with the 68rfe
@@stevenpeterson7234 Oh dang!! I really thought they would have retired the 68 by now. It's never going to last. They say the Aisin is a really solid transmission.
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The Aisin is a super solid trans. That's y Toyotas last so long. I recently just learned that Toyota owns Aisin.
@@stevenpeterson7234 I did too, a 10% stake I believe. They own part of Denso as well.
As a past inspector I can truly say on day 4 or 5 as a new guy I found 2 different items that were never inspection the way I did it and both were teaching item's 1 was aerospace and the othe was a military item so when you say inspection is it really a sample size or every 10 holes or or or. NO SELF INSPECTION
I'm not surprised! I worked in the auto industry for years and the number of bad products that made it all the way through with all parts scanned was amazing
Thank you for the video. A few weeks to get this done seems reasonable. Anyone know if this conversion would work in a 2000 Ram Cummings 2500?
They have done lots of different years, and I'm pretty sure 2000 is one they've done
Great video! I’m looking in to swapping my 68RFE with ALLISON when it is time for it. I do have a question for you not related to transmission. I noticed when you cranked your truck (51:38) that you have the Tik…Tik… sound. Is that coming from the silver tube that goes to the turbo? If so, do you know what causes it? I have the same sound on my 6.7 as well. Thanks
You know what, I have no clue what that sound is. My last truck was a Hemi with the Hemi Tick so I guess you could say I'm just used to hearing a tick in a Dodge, lol. I'm actually working on swapping my turbo gasket and I'm going to swap that non flexible drain tube from the turbo to a silicone one. If I notice the sound goes away or gets quieter, I'll let you know.
@@TheRoostersGarage That would be great! Thank you
@@marcinmisztak257 I just got the truck fired up after swapping my turbo gasket and installing the Fleece flexible oil drain tube. I don't notice any ticking other than the valves and the diesel sound. It's just warming up and I still have the inner fender off and even stuck my head in there to listen better but only hear the normal diesel noises.
Yeahhhhhh my dream combo of Cummins and Allison. But all the custom grind/ fab is a big no, So RAM needs to make it an option an I am in!
I would love it being a factory option but then I'd have to buy a new truck
I work with heavy equipment and with diesels engines the size of your pickup and the 5 inch exhaust is way over kill for such a small engine .
I know, but it sounds better than the 4 in my opinion. It’s got a deeper note. I went from a rusted out 4” to the 5 and it got quieter, lol.
Great video i can feel your pain, once you got that yellow piece of evil up there!!!
Thanks, but yellow piece of evil? I have over 10.000 trouble-free miles on this and can pull loads much easier than my stock trans. My boat is pretty close to 6000 lbs on the trailer and before I swapped this, I was at 2000 rpm pulling up the boat ramp. Now I'm at 1200-1400 rpm and it's not even breaking a sweat. I finally have a truck that can do what it should have been doing all along.
@@TheRoostersGarage that was some serious work rooster!!!
@@Spinalcell Yes it was!
I should’ve done this on my 3rd gen when I had it. The 48 is the biggest pile of garbage. Runs hot, slips reverse with weight, slips first with weight going up hill. Finally ended up throwing a fully built 48 by suncoast but still same crap. By the time I had it built once then two suncoast units I could’ve done a Allison and came out cheaper and saved money.
I hate to hear that! When I was researching which trans to do, I looked at fully built 68’s and I saw a lot of what you went though. I know the Allison was expensive, but so it replacing a transmission more than once.
Sadly we hear this far to often. Just putting band aids on things. They guys that brag about the 48, do a few runs down the dragstrip then rebuild it. So its great for like 10 miles LOL
@@caconversions4591 yes 100%. You can alway tell the folks that never had to use their truck other than pull the bass boat to the river or drive to the movies, the 48 is great!. Lol
@@JohnDoe-gm5ux absolutely far to many of those guys would be just fine with a half ton gasser lol
What made you go with this over the ATS Diesel conversion kit ?
ATS just came out with theirs right before I placed my order with CA and I didn't want to be a guinea pig
Will you be making a video driving around town/ interstate? I'm curious on the RPM's at 75-80 with the 3.73 and the Allison swap. Maybe one empty and one towing?
The very end of this video I’m driving around town and I’ve got the chapter marker things so you can go right to it. It doesn’t lock into 6th until 73 mph with the 3.73 but yes I can make a video with more driving around. I’m pretty sure its still under 2000 at 80
The 1k based on calibration has overdrives.
How you liking the Allison and how's it holding up. I'm thinking about doing it on my 03 cummins
I'm loving it! No issues to report. I recently developed a bad boost leak and as soon as it happened, the transmission unlocked as it sensed the "extreme load". I'm still trying to get that fixed, but truly nothing bad to report at all.
I did a zf6 swap a year ago wish I could of told you you're going to have to take more of the block than you would ever think to fit a 6.0 starter.
I really don't like the Ford starter RIGHT UNDER the turbo - made replacing the turbo really suck. I've heard the new Ram trucks can be outfitted with an Allison and I wonder if the bellhousing can be swapped so I can go back to my Cummins starter
@@TheRoostersGarage I ended up doing a 2nd gen swap but drove it with a stock turbo and manifold for about a year, luckily these stock turbos are pretty stout so they should need to be replaced anytime soon, I still have my stock one for a backup.
@@cole1407 I upgraded mine but wish I would have stayed with the stock turbo. The stock ran better on the street than the bigger one