I would love to see how you adapted protocols!!!! I deal with electronics every day in heavy duty and marine applications. I try to stay away from light duty stuff, but you sound like you have a great team behind you. This county need more guys like you!!!!
I can't wait, but I also wonder what the waiting list will be like lol. I need to do my CP3 conversion to save my fuel system first. I will be ready at the end of 2022 to give you guys a call or im hoping you will have everything worked out by then. As a mechanic this is exciting 😀 keep it up ATS
Back in the 90s I looked through a lot of new 2 1/2 ton delivery trucks on a Sunday. Everyone was a Ford and everyone had a 12 valve Cummins and Allison trans. No manuals on the lot probably 75 trucks.
I've watched like 2 videos with this guy in them an have very quickly decided its a trustworthy company. Very very knowledgeable. An allison isn't in the budget but I'll definitely do some things to the 68rfe using his products now!
I had an Allison in a motorhome a few years ago. Driving up and down hills with it was effortless. The engine braking and downshifting worked so well I never had to touch my brake pedal. Towing was also pleasant, the transmission never jerked or jumped or hunted for the right gear. Too bad Chrysler didn't offer them as a factory option on the 2500 3500 trucks.
Its opposite. The Exhaust brake turns on at the downshift. Not the other way around. And only in tow haul mode. The exhaust brake on a 69 with the shift timing is bad ass towing. Throw you forward in the seat and all you have to do is tap the brakes. I wouldnt want to lose that either, but the causation is opposite.
The core charge on an Allison is no joke. Doing an even swap and calling it good is huge, considering you can buy up used units from recyclers for pennies on the dollar. I’m curious to see the whole install with a t-case, and how you adapt that. Changing driveline length is a given when doing something like this, so that shouldn’t surprise anybody.
I have really had an eye for the Dodge 3/4 ton and 1 ton SRW Cummins trucks for a little while now. Especially the 5th gen trucks. The one thing that's always kept me from pulling the trigger on buying one is the transmissions. I've heard so much negative stuff about the trans in dodge trucks. Everyone I know that's had a dodge truck (gas or diesel) has all had transmission issues out of them. And for the price of these trucks, you shouldn't have to worry about if they're going to last. You know Dodge has to know about the issues they have. I've always wondered how come dodge doesn't sink a little R&D into finding out why their trans keep failing and correct these issues to make them more reliable? This would be a pretty good powertrain. Cummins with an Allison.
@@gabranmitchell9722 I got in touch with ATS and apparently this will also bolt to a 12 valve through a 47RH/RE adapter plate. Time will tell. "A few more weeks" before it's available. But they also said that a month ago.
Here’s a fun fact everybody. One of Clint’s employees had a 07 F350 with a 6.7 Cummins and one of there Allison’s 11 years ago ! Diesel World magazine even did a photo shoot on it.
Please offer individual parts as well as a complete kit. I am doing my research now for a 6.7 Cummins/Allison swap in a 1947 5 ton Gmc. I already have an Allison and would really like to use your bellhousing and torque converter for my swap. Being able to buy the bellhousing would be a huge help so I can do mock-ups and not have to spend all the money up front just so I can start my project.
I hope they do so of you break down on the side of the road in 20 states away you can have the parts shipped and transmission fixed. These are the issues with doing these upgrades and swaps
I have a 2002 dodge with the 5.9 in it. It has the stock factory tranmission in it. I have had it rebuilt twice since I have had the truck. The stock transmission is truly not big enough. I have always wanted to put a Allison Transmission in it
It's only my opinion but to me it makes little sense to put a 10 speed anything behind the 6.7 Cummins. That engine builds immense torque because it's an inline six. The advantage, to me, in having fewer rations (Aisin 6 Speed) keeps the Cummins in it's torque curve which makes it very happy and "inline" with it's engineering. A ten speed gives more and closer ratios but never makes the engine really work, you rely more on Horsepower than torque. The Cummins 6.7, the HO in particular, loves to work. My 2020 RAM 3500 SRW with the HO and Aisin is a monster and still gets close to 20 MPG driving like I like to drive. Aggressively. Again, just me opinion.
@@benbabcock3818 sounds about right. If I had an auto that needed a build or rebuild, it would be worth consideration. G56 for life. So much cheaper to just upgrade a clutch, and I can do that myself.
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@@f5tornadeau my buddy had his 68R take a dump a couple months ago on his way to work and just a rebuild and new converter was somewhere close to the $8k mark so it would be a really good time to upgrade had he known about it. He’s in an 07 dodge 3500 with the 6.7 that’s beefed up a bit from factory
Nice work and excellent video! What are you learning and what have you see with the new GM "Allison Branded" 10L1000? How are they holding up? What are your thoughts on the transmission? Thank you!
That input shaft shows the entire difference. An 1/8 th inch change in dia is big, goin 1/2" is huge. Torsion stiffness is prop to diameter cubed IIRC. So like 4x the strength with came metal.
i have a dodge 2008 3500 dually i have a problem with my transmission i went to see it is an allisson and a ring broke inside the flywhell and the transmission cracked. how to weld?
@@waterishdrake8693 I actually went with a built 68RFE instead. I was quoted over 12 for the one I was gonna get... My 68 is built to handle a 1000 horse and it's been beat one and never had an issue...
I have never had trouble with my 68rfe but I have kept everything stock I would like to have more power but have not done so because of the 68rfe sucks so now I can do that
CAC Conversions offers an Allison swap kit for a variety of different engine options including Cummins. I’ve heard great things about the swap as well as bad.
@@bb502cid Yeah I’ve tried to call those guys several times with questions about the swap and they never answer their phone, that right there, tells me there’s a problem.
@@chadhester265 Unless somethings happened at CAC, their customer service is on point and then some. I called in two years ago to inquire and they spend a good hour on the phone with me answering questions and explaining things. I ended up doing more research and determined there was an issue with this swap. The Allison trans tuning will not work with a high hp/torque Cummins. The lack of defuel between shifts will cause the trans to overheat and fail. However, it can be remedied by flashing a new tune in the TCM. I decided to hold off and last year came across a video from Firepunk in which they were removing CAC swapped 4th Gen Cummins truck for a 48. The trans overheated and failed. Per the video, it was the fourth failure, CAC warrantied the three previous failures and I’m sure they would have warrantied the fourth, but the owner decided to 48 swap instead. If you leave a message I’m sure they’ll call you back, KC is a wealth of knowledge. The only thing I don’t agree with is the TCM with Allison tuning. Because I don’t want to deal with any possible issues with an Allison swap and having 1k hp goals, I decided do a 48 swap last year.
What about trans tunning when the truck goes through different tunes. The 68rfe is able to be tuned with the same tuner that is used for the ecm. Can the Allison be tuned with the same tuner for the ecm or will two tuners be required?
honest Question how does the Fuel Eco look and on top of that i have a tuner in my truck and its deleted will this work with the tuner and is it being delete ok for this swap?
Can I go with Alison on my 2004 dodge 2500 -5.9 Cummins? Because I repaired the transmission with heavy duty stuff and I’m no happy with it because overheating since the beginning of the repair.
There is no option for it because we have not released our kits yet. We have been installing these kits here in house over the last year getting them dialed in. Currently we are 2-3 weeks away from the release of our 1998.5-2002 24V and 2003-2007 5.9 kits. The early 12V kits will follow shortly after.
Well, about to find out what ATS is really about. My transmission threw P0700 & P0876 codes. My shop is telling me the problem is with the transmission itself. I’ll update as soon as I speak to ATS.
These will be sold as a kit with or without the transmission. It will be available for shops to install and also provide their own transmission. Individual parts will most likely not be offered.
I rather see the comparison of the Aisin to , the Allison , people don't know when they buy a new truck, there a better option at the dealership, the 68rfe is a great light duty trans, but for us working guys , I'm ready to drop in a Eaton transmission.
No one does but its also because as an aftermarket parts company, theres not much you can do to a 69. I have a 14 delete tuned HO. Cant tune the trans. He mentions line pressure is already maxed. He doesnt mention that it has a 4 disc converter which cant really be improved upon in stock form... There are converters you can drop in, but not really tangible improvement. We all know 68s suck. The dramatic effect for the video is better. Not as good to say "look as these two beef shafts" lol. This is going to be mostly for the 68 guys because thats the market opp. They break alot. If you have an AISIN you dont really need an allison unless it breaks. That doesnt happen very often, but its nice to be able to compare costs because like anything... it can break. A bolt in 69 is 7-8K before core. If this is similar price and works with all the creatures like he said? Itd be a better shifting AISIN. Thats the biggest complaint with an AISIN and mine too. Its a clunky shifting beast, but it is a beast. Reminds you youre driving a truck and not a ford taurus.
The hate to be the bearer of bad news but the Aisin is not built much stronger than a 68rfe. Put a deleted and tuned 6.7l with a cheetah turbo strong enough for 700hp and 2000lb tq and it breaks also pretty easily.
@@marlboroman71818 what? There is no stock transmission on the planet that can take 700/2000 and it takes more than throwing a cheetah on a 6.7 to get it. If you were at 700hp on a cummins, youre not at 2k tq. If youre at 2k torque youre at more than 700 hp. While we are talking about anecdotal evidence a guy broke his aisin doing a burnout with a 200hp tune. He asked on a more than popular cummins forum if anyone else had ever broken theirs.... crickets. Anything can break but an aisin with a mild tune does not. Cant say that about any other transmission. Including an allison.
@@timryan1360 @tim ryan There are plenty of Factory upgraded turbos that have made 700hp and 2000lbft of torque. Mine is one. If you want to see more I suggest you check out some of firepunks videos. No one said stock transmission. We are talking built 68rfes and Aisins that have no aftermarket support with cummins that actually make the power that easily breaks them just from an upgraded factory turbo, tune, deletes and a few other things.
@@irnwkrkev good luck and hopefully it works out for you, have heard decent things about them. 5th and 6th OD and UD clutches still have very weak limits.
I see a external filter on the transmission, I guess it would better to use a fram ultra synthetic tough guard or different brand that is a better built filter. Does the pan come with a drain plug?
I bought a 1994 Chevy K2500 Detroit Diesel. This is going to be a 5 year project. I plan to replace the motor as it has some cracks in the head and block. My current plan is a new Detroit Diesel and I'm not sure if I should put an Allison trans or a new 4L80 (the original 4L80 is currently in it)...my plan is to produce around 450 HP and be a daily driver. I do love Cummins, but I've heard it is not an easy conversion for this body of truck. I plan to bulletproof the Detroit Diesel. I am 62, so this will be my last truck and I want it a solid daily driver I'll never have to worry about...any recommendations?
I just bought a new Fuso box truck with a 6.0 gas engine. Has a 1000 series Allison transmission. I had to get rid of my diesel box truck, the emissions issues/repairs were getting out of control. I only drive it about 20k miles per year, so even with the fuel savings I was spending more on repair, tows, rentals, downtime than I was saving. And I didn’t want to go the delete route. Don’t know all the differences that they can come with. But the transmission has a 5 year unlimited mile warranty, so I guess they believe in it.
The 68 is a great transmission,the problem starts when you mod the engine for more power then hook up a big trailer.If you leave the engine stock you’ll have no problems with the transmission.
Well was looking into a g56 swap but after seeing this if the price is right, this would be an amazing upgrade, also would there be just the bell housing and wiring harness for sale? And when you say a “stock swap” will drive shafts need shortened or lengthened? And tuning how would that go with it
At min 6:24 he stated "it is a six speed trans" but GM did not go to a six speed till 2006 model year. Unless ATS is converting all pre 2006 model years to be a six speed.
My05 and down have the same rotating assembly so programming works but passages in main case are a restrictor solved with the 4th gen casting among other updates.
Just found your channel and great info. I own a 2012 4x4 auto trans. I have 56,000 miles on it. My question is I'm starting to notice on cold starts and when I put it in gear that it seems like it takes about 30 second to slowly move. I called the dealership and they said that's normal. What's your thoughts. Is my auto trans starting to go out or ?.
Nothing on the 10spd, thats the plan but the issue is CORE availability to offer these. Our technology will work with these but we are not offering these yet.
This would be really cool if it actually works like it's supposed to. My buddy tried the same conversion by a different company it was a horrible situation. No reverse lights, remote start didn't work, push button start didn't work, among several other things. The tuning never did get right even with multiple attempts from the company. My buddy finally just gave up and got rid of the truck. Hopefully this is a true plug-and-play system that actually works as this video makes it seem. Also hoping this isn't some 15 or $20,000 modification. Hopefully not any more than about 10,000, and even that is pretty high.
Curtis, Please give him our info as we can most likely help him get this functionality back. Please check out this video showing the functionality working on a 2015. ua-cam.com/video/wJXcipANp7k/v-deo.html Also, yes that $10,000 mark is more the general price range, not $15-20k. Also install will be about the same as a regular trans job.
I can't wait to see more about this. Looking hard at this for my 2003 Ram 3500 HO Cummins w/ 48re. A couple of questions. For the driveline changes are the specs known ahead of time so it can be shopped out while doing the swap? 2003 didn't have a tap shifter. Can this be added? Last question, will this work with an exhaust brake? I would reallllllly love to have this capability towing my approx. 14K pound Alpenlite (lite is an inside joke) 5th wheel.
Just build the 48, not as smooth or efficient, but the engine will make more than enough power with some tuning to make up for the lack of gear ratios.
I have a built 48 from ats with copilot in a 03 3500 ho single wheele does great broke the first one by not spending the money for billet input shaft it twisted off taking out tourque converter and oil pump of course they wouldn't warrenty it cause the input shaft was stock so they told me if I bought a billet shaft theyd replace the converter and oil pump but i think I got a billet pump now too so i spent 1100 on that but it was they only way they would check the whole thing out they said if i put a stock one back in for 75 bucks it was what it was so I spent the money had the tranny checked completely it was all good all together i have about 8000 in a 48re and it does pretty well its good for drag racing being a 4 speed with OD it pulls good and is prolly a few thousand cheaper then an allison conversion I bet thats close to 10000 and all I have in my truck is smarty the old one with tnt tune and 125 hp industrial injection injectors air dog 150 and the ats tranny and it was enough to break stock input shaft I didn't think I would but it is a cummins so spend the extra bucks and save the month plus of down time it literally lasted less then 20000 miles before I broke it now its good for like 1300 hp so I should be good for a while and idk how many miles i have on it but its doing good
@@Look_What_You_Did fuel milage. My 18 ram has 342 rear end gears and I average up to 21 1/2 22 miles per gallon if we had a 10 speed and say 325 gears we could possibly get 24+ miles per gallon out of the same truck, also with 342s taking off from a stoplight the truck labors a little so Morgan reduction because I tall or rear end is a good thing. Look at the other two top manufacturers right now GM and Ford are both using a 10 speed. Besides that my big Cummins has a 13 speed and my other one has an 18 speed🤷♂️
@@Look_What_You_Did not a mall crawler, those are real numbers with a properly equipped 3/4 ton. I wasn’t towing at that particular milage, (kinda obvious) but when i do tow I’m around the 15 mpg mark, pretty sure a case 570 loader and 30’ gooseneck don’t qualify as light duty, or mall crawler status. You don’t have the math skills to compete here, literally i spend my days for the most part in a kenworth at the moment, so 🤷♂️. No need for you to come attack me for saying that i want a 10 speed swap in my ram.
Problem solved... You'll make all us Cummins Dodge guys happy !
wow, the clutch pack size comparison speaks volumes!!!!!
If I ever do an Allison swap it will DEFINETLY be with your products!
Thank you for the detailed video. Please make a side-by-side comparison of the Aisin to the Allison.
I would love to see how you adapted protocols!!!! I deal with electronics every day in heavy duty and marine applications. I try to stay away from light duty stuff, but you sound like you have a great team behind you. This county need more guys like you!!!!
I can't wait, but I also wonder what the waiting list will be like lol. I need to do my CP3 conversion to save my fuel system first. I will be ready at the end of 2022 to give you guys a call or im hoping you will have everything worked out by then. As a mechanic this is exciting 😀 keep it up ATS
Great explanation of the differences between the key components of Allison vs 68RFE! Im ready for the upgrade!
Back in the 90s I looked through a lot of new 2 1/2 ton delivery trucks on a Sunday. Everyone was a Ford and everyone had a 12 valve Cummins and Allison trans. No manuals on the lot probably 75 trucks.
I've watched like 2 videos with this guy in them an have very quickly decided its a trustworthy company. Very very knowledgeable. An allison isn't in the budget but I'll definitely do some things to the 68rfe using his products now!
Since he NEVER replies to legitimate questions i doubt that.
@Shaw-Man did you ask a question that we didn't address? How can we help you?
Thank you for the kind words Mickey! We appreciate your support!
I had an Allison in a motorhome a few years ago. Driving up and down hills with it was effortless. The engine braking and downshifting worked so well I never had to touch my brake pedal. Towing was also pleasant, the transmission never jerked or jumped or hunted for the right gear. Too bad Chrysler didn't offer them as a factory option on the 2500 3500 trucks.
yea right Allison is GM Chrysler ain't going there
Aisin is Toyota and they went there. Unfortunately you have to go to a 3500
@@troydeck3017 It's already confirmed, for the 2022 year RAM moves over exclusively to Allison for the 2500-3500 line of RAMS. Get with the times.
@@quadrifoglio6058 really? Great notice.
@@troydeck3017 well... looks like they changed their minds
Very impressive hope your selling this to Chrysler for 2022!!
Thank you for the clear and concise content.
Exactly what i would want from a rebuilder.
Great work. I learned a lot. I'll consider a used 6 speed auto Cummins now for an Allison swap. greetings from Seattle, WA.
Must be nice to have an extra 18 grand for a trans swap. Lol
This is sooo sweet. Put me on the schedule
What about the automatic downshift in tow haul mode and the torque converter lock up when the exhaust brake turns on?
Its opposite. The Exhaust brake turns on at the downshift. Not the other way around. And only in tow haul mode. The exhaust brake on a 69 with the shift timing is bad ass towing. Throw you forward in the seat and all you have to do is tap the brakes. I wouldnt want to lose that either, but the causation is opposite.
It would be nice if there was a link in the description.
The core charge on an Allison is no joke. Doing an even swap and calling it good is huge, considering you can buy up used units from recyclers for pennies on the dollar. I’m curious to see the whole install with a t-case, and how you adapt that. Changing driveline length is a given when doing something like this, so that shouldn’t surprise anybody.
I love the 48 I'll swap to one of those when the time comes .
Can’t wait to get my hands on a kit
This guys is a transmission genius!
I have really had an eye for the Dodge 3/4 ton and 1 ton SRW Cummins trucks for a little while now. Especially the 5th gen trucks. The one thing that's always kept me from pulling the trigger on buying one is the transmissions. I've heard so much negative stuff about the trans in dodge trucks. Everyone I know that's had a dodge truck (gas or diesel) has all had transmission issues out of them. And for the price of these trucks, you shouldn't have to worry about if they're going to last.
You know Dodge has to know about the issues they have. I've always wondered how come dodge doesn't sink a little R&D into finding out why their trans keep failing and correct these issues to make them more reliable?
This would be a pretty good powertrain. Cummins with an Allison.
This is an awesome comparison I'd love to see the teardown comparison between the g56 and 68rfe
Stick vs auto
Na just the size of the friction and the girth of the input shaft to make the 68 feel smaller.
Which cummins engine is that new bellhousing compatible with? Only 6.7s or all the way to old school 12 valves?
Only the 6.7s but any 6.7 truck from 2007.5 to now
@@gabranmitchell9722 I got in touch with ATS and apparently this will also bolt to a 12 valve through a 47RH/RE adapter plate. Time will tell. "A few more weeks" before it's available. But they also said that a month ago.
@@etiennegignac Where will the transmission get it's control signals
@@1STGeneral Standalone controller. ATS is developing one but there are already some options available on the market.
Check out this video ua-cam.com/video/bQh8jpVHxbo/v-deo.html They have an adapter plate that fits both 12 valve and 6.7
When will there be one available for the 5.9 cummins with the 48RE?
Never. The ecm is different on the 03 versus the later years.
Here’s a fun fact everybody. One of Clint’s employees had a 07 F350 with a 6.7 Cummins and one of there Allison’s 11 years ago ! Diesel World magazine even did a photo shoot on it.
So he used 3 flawed trucks to make 1 awesome one? 😄👍 now if only any single manufacturer could manage the same accomplishment, maybe next decade 🤦♂️
That's my dream, ford looks and interior quality, Cummings power and torque, and an Allison to handle all that power
@@calebleuciuc670 There’s a Excursion built that way definetly the best family vehicle.
Please offer individual parts as well as a complete kit. I am doing my research now for a 6.7 Cummins/Allison swap in a 1947 5 ton Gmc. I already have an Allison and would really like to use your bellhousing and torque converter for my swap. Being able to buy the bellhousing would be a huge help so I can do mock-ups and not have to spend all the money up front just so I can start my project.
I hope they do so of you break down on the side of the road in 20 states away you can have the parts shipped and transmission fixed. These are the issues with doing these upgrades and swaps
I would love that in my Squarebody K30 Dually!!!
Pretty impressive design to make it all work like you would want.
This is great to hear Clint. What model years do you cover? How late of a RAM can you Allison Swap..?
When will I be able to purchase one and how much is the package going to be.
My guess $7500....to start
Will this Complete Allison Transmision Swap work on a deleted dodge?
@@vergesbahe6169 Did you get a response?
I have a 2002 dodge with the 5.9 in it. It has the stock factory tranmission in it. I have had it rebuilt twice since I have had the truck. The stock transmission is truly not big enough. I have always wanted to put a Allison Transmission in it
And so...
How much would this cost?
So how does the Allison compare to the Aisin?
It's only my opinion but to me it makes little sense to put a 10 speed anything behind the 6.7 Cummins. That engine builds immense torque because it's an inline six. The advantage, to me, in having fewer rations (Aisin 6 Speed) keeps the Cummins in it's torque curve which makes it very happy and "inline" with it's engineering. A ten speed gives more and closer ratios but never makes the engine really work, you rely more on Horsepower than torque. The Cummins 6.7, the HO in particular, loves to work. My 2020 RAM 3500 SRW with the HO and Aisin is a monster and still gets close to 20 MPG driving like I like to drive. Aggressively. Again, just me opinion.
@@davidlariviere7784 Hmmmm.... He said its an Allison 1000, which is a "6 SPEED Transmission"!!! Not sure where you got that it a 10 speed!!??
Awesome kit! When will these be available for the market?
Looked all over your website, don't see this amazing conversion anywhere, how much?
Could you find a phone number to call? 🤷♂️
11k
@@benbabcock3818 sounds about right. If I had an auto that needed a build or rebuild, it would be worth consideration. G56 for life. So much cheaper to just upgrade a clutch, and I can do that myself.
We will be announcing pricing and putting info on our site soon. Please give us a call for more information. Thank you for your interest in our products!
@@f5tornadeau my buddy had his 68R take a dump a couple months ago on his way to work and just a rebuild and new converter was somewhere close to the $8k mark so it would be a really good time to upgrade had he known about it. He’s in an 07 dodge 3500 with the 6.7 that’s beefed up a bit from factory
I was wondering about gear ratios, didn't hear that addressed.
Nice and I have a Allison 1000 behind my 2000 model 5.9 cummins in a 2005 Chevy Duramax. Would love to have this trans in newer Ram with 6.7.
Nice work and excellent video! What are you learning and what have you see with the new GM "Allison Branded" 10L1000? How are they holding up? What are your thoughts on the transmission? Thank you!
That input shaft shows the entire difference. An 1/8 th inch change in dia is big, goin 1/2" is huge. Torsion stiffness is prop to diameter cubed IIRC. So like 4x the strength with came metal.
I wonder how soon I’ll see one of this units been rebuilt @ Precision transmission channel.
Lots of lies and misinformation coming from that channel. Don't believe everything a competitor says about another company.
Perfect timing!!
i have a dodge 2008 3500 dually i have a problem with my transmission i went to see it is an allisson and a ring broke inside the flywhell and the transmission cracked. how to weld?
Will you be making a kit for the Ford 7.3?
is there a provision for increasing HP and torque as provided by the AISIN option when upgrading from a 69...
I can't seem to find the Allison package for a 2021 Ram 6.7 Cummins on ATS's website...
Im so excited. Getting mine in May...
How much is it setting you back?
Well in stock form they told me 10300, but im having mine upgraded to handle a 1000 Hp.
@@andrewclarke6802 how did that work out? Hopefully better than the ATS fully built I bought that was garbage!
@@waterishdrake8693 I actually went with a built 68RFE instead. I was quoted over 12 for the one I was gonna get... My 68 is built to handle a 1000 horse and it's been beat one and never had an issue...
I have 2007.5 ram 6.7l automatic 4x4 long bed dually on 22s. What is needed to be done for this to fit lol?
I have never had trouble with my 68rfe but I have kept everything stock I would like to have more power but have not done so because of the 68rfe sucks so now I can do that
Just went to your website and I couldn’t find anything for one of these Cummins Allison swaps.
pretty new stuff i think
CAC Conversions offers an Allison swap kit for a variety of different engine options including Cummins. I’ve heard great things about the swap as well as bad.
@@bb502cid Yeah I’ve tried to call those guys several times with questions about the swap and they never answer their phone, that right there, tells me there’s a problem.
@@chadhester265 Unless somethings happened at CAC, their customer service is on point and then some. I called in two years ago to inquire and they spend a good hour on the phone with me answering questions and explaining things. I ended up doing more research and determined there was an issue with this swap. The Allison trans tuning will not work with a high hp/torque Cummins. The lack of defuel between shifts will cause the trans to overheat and fail. However, it can be remedied by flashing a new tune in the TCM.
I decided to hold off and last year came across a video from Firepunk in which they were removing CAC swapped 4th Gen Cummins truck for a 48. The trans overheated and failed. Per the video, it was the fourth failure, CAC warrantied the three previous failures and I’m sure they would have warrantied the fourth, but the owner decided to 48 swap instead.
If you leave a message I’m sure they’ll call you back, KC is a wealth of knowledge. The only thing I don’t agree with is the TCM with Allison tuning. Because I don’t want to deal with any possible issues with an Allison swap and having 1k hp goals, I decided do a 48 swap last year.
I am still having trouble finding this package please let me know where to order please and thanks
You mentioned in the banks video that the Allison shifts different from the 68. Will I notice a difference if I swap and go to the Allison?
Gonna shift faster
What about trans tunning when the truck goes through different tunes. The 68rfe is able to be tuned with the same tuner that is used for the ecm. Can the Allison be tuned with the same tuner for the ecm or will two tuners be required?
I've got the other guys kit in my 1st gen how would you interface with the 518 tcm. ( I kept the tcm for the grid controller.
honest Question how does the Fuel Eco look and on top of that i have a tuner in my truck and its deleted will this work with the tuner and is it being delete ok for this swap?
Where do I sign up?!? My 68 is ready to give out.
What's the prices
Can I go with Alison on my 2004 dodge 2500 -5.9 Cummins?
Because I repaired the transmission with heavy duty stuff and I’m no happy with it because overheating since the beginning of the repair.
Thank god, I need one soon.
i was trying to buy one for my 03 cummins with 4*4 there no option on your page for it
There is no option for it because we have not released our kits yet. We have been installing these kits here in house over the last year getting them dialed in. Currently we are 2-3 weeks away from the release of our 1998.5-2002 24V and 2003-2007 5.9 kits. The early 12V kits will follow shortly after.
How much for the bell housing and output shaft for np 205 , that’s all I need ,I need to get rid of the adapter and the nv 271
Wasn’t the original Allison a 4 or five speed with a max hp rating of 325. The six speeds didn’t start showing up until 05 or 06
How about 89 12 valve will it work
Will you be making an install video?
Do you have a stand alone controller for the Allison? Looking to put one behind a Ppump 24 valve cummins in my 85 1ton dually
Well, about to find out what ATS is really about. My transmission threw P0700 & P0876 codes. My shop is telling me the problem is with the transmission itself. I’ll update as soon as I speak to ATS.
Checking in here, did we help get everything taken care of?
Is ATS going to be offering these components for independent shops to use or will they be ATS specific and only sold with/on an ATS transmisison?
These will be sold as a kit with or without the transmission. It will be available for shops to install and also provide their own transmission. Individual parts will most likely not be offered.
I rather see the comparison of the Aisin to , the Allison , people don't know when they buy a new truck, there a better option at the dealership, the 68rfe is a great light duty trans, but for us working guys , I'm ready to drop in a Eaton transmission.
No one does but its also because as an aftermarket parts company, theres not much you can do to a 69. I have a 14 delete tuned HO. Cant tune the trans. He mentions line pressure is already maxed. He doesnt mention that it has a 4 disc converter which cant really be improved upon in stock form... There are converters you can drop in, but not really tangible improvement. We all know 68s suck. The dramatic effect for the video is better. Not as good to say "look as these two beef shafts" lol. This is going to be mostly for the 68 guys because thats the market opp. They break alot. If you have an AISIN you dont really need an allison unless it breaks. That doesnt happen very often, but its nice to be able to compare costs because like anything... it can break. A bolt in 69 is 7-8K before core. If this is similar price and works with all the creatures like he said? Itd be a better shifting AISIN. Thats the biggest complaint with an AISIN and mine too. Its a clunky shifting beast, but it is a beast. Reminds you youre driving a truck and not a ford taurus.
@@timryan1360 that's only problem with my 69 is the shifting, the banks pedal monster helped a lot with the shift points,
The hate to be the bearer of bad news but the Aisin is not built much stronger than a 68rfe. Put a deleted and tuned 6.7l with a cheetah turbo strong enough for 700hp and 2000lb tq and it breaks also pretty easily.
@@marlboroman71818 what? There is no stock transmission on the planet that can take 700/2000 and it takes more than throwing a cheetah on a 6.7 to get it. If you were at 700hp on a cummins, youre not at 2k tq. If youre at 2k torque youre at more than 700 hp. While we are talking about anecdotal evidence a guy broke his aisin doing a burnout with a 200hp tune. He asked on a more than popular cummins forum if anyone else had ever broken theirs.... crickets. Anything can break but an aisin with a mild tune does not. Cant say that about any other transmission. Including an allison.
@@timryan1360 @tim ryan There are plenty of Factory upgraded turbos that have made 700hp and 2000lbft of torque. Mine is one. If you want to see more I suggest you check out some of firepunks videos. No one said stock transmission. We are talking built 68rfes and Aisins that have no aftermarket support with cummins that actually make the power that easily breaks them just from an upgraded factory turbo, tune, deletes and a few other things.
Why couldn't this come out a week ago! SMDH.... just ordered a built 68rfe on Monday 😔
This will be $12,000+
I've had 4-5 68rfes from them and am still currently having issues, cancel your order and get this.
@@marlboroman71818 Getting my 68rfe from Revmax
@@irnwkrkev good luck and hopefully it works out for you, have heard decent things about them. 5th and 6th OD and UD clutches still have very weak limits.
Cancel it
Would love to see a 7.3 conversion kit for the Allison 1000 next from you guys!
I have a 2004 dodge Cummins 3500 can I put one of your Allison’s transmission in it it’s a 5.9 motor 4*4?
I see a external filter on the transmission, I guess it would better to use a fram ultra synthetic tough guard or different brand that is a better built filter. Does the pan come with a drain plug?
Where can I get this Allison at?
I bought a 1994 Chevy K2500 Detroit Diesel. This is going to be a 5 year project. I plan to replace the motor as it has some cracks in the head and block. My current plan is a new Detroit Diesel and I'm not sure if I should put an Allison trans or a new 4L80 (the original 4L80 is currently in it)...my plan is to produce around 450 HP and be a daily driver. I do love Cummins, but I've heard it is not an easy conversion for this body of truck. I plan to bulletproof the Detroit Diesel. I am 62, so this will be my last truck and I want it a solid daily driver I'll never have to worry about...any recommendations?
When will you have this package available on your website?
I just bought a new Fuso box truck with a 6.0 gas engine.
Has a 1000 series Allison transmission.
I had to get rid of my diesel box truck, the emissions issues/repairs were getting out of control.
I only drive it about 20k miles per year, so even with the fuel savings I was spending more on repair, tows, rentals, downtime than I was saving.
And I didn’t want to go the delete route.
Don’t know all the differences that they can come with.
But the transmission has a 5 year unlimited mile warranty, so I guess they believe in it.
"68RFE is a great transmission" aka "68RFE is a great money maker" lol
@@HAWKCoinMillionaire?? ATS ?
The 68 is a great transmission,the problem starts when you mod the engine for more power then hook up a big trailer.If you leave the engine stock you’ll have no problems with the transmission.
@@HAWKCoinMillionaire
Are you wasv vv ppp0
@@JohnDiMartino2018 failed at 16k miles bone stock no mods
No towing either
Looks awesome! Will the stock exhaust brake work as well?
Well was looking into a g56 swap but after seeing this if the price is right, this would be an amazing upgrade, also would there be just the bell housing and wiring harness for sale? And when you say a “stock swap” will drive shafts need shortened or lengthened? And tuning how would that go with it
If this fits in to 2000 24 v 5.9 with 47re.. I'm down to get it.
Any differences between that Allison and the Allison 1000's that's mated behind a Cummins isb170?
Is the swap plug and play?
Will your Allison electronics work with a fully mechanical engine like a 12 valve Cummins?
I second this question.
That's my next step on my Excursion. 12 valve and an Allison.
The Allison 1000 was behind mechanical 5.9 and 8.3 in industrial/medium duty vehicles. It can be done.
I need one for my 7.3. Better power, performance, and mpg.
At min 6:24 he stated "it is a six speed trans" but GM did not go to a six speed till 2006 model year. Unless ATS is converting all pre 2006 model years to be a six speed.
My05 and down have the same rotating assembly so programming works but passages in main case are a restrictor solved with the 4th gen casting among other updates.
Ive heard rumors Allison may be making a transmission for the new rams??? Anyone have any information on those rumors?
Didn't gmc lose exclusivity with allison recently
@@ianthompson2802 that’s what I’ve been hearing but not sure
That would be so nice.
yes it's been confirmed, for the year 2022 RAM will be using Allison on the HD line of RAMS
Ram 2500, (2004) how much it will be for the Allison?
Just found your channel and great info. I own a 2012 4x4 auto trans. I have 56,000 miles on it. My question is I'm starting to notice on cold starts and when I put it in gear that it seems like it takes about 30 second to slowly move. I called the dealership and they said that's normal. What's your thoughts. Is my auto trans starting to go out or ?.
Sounds like pump failure in progress. Check your fluid levels at operating temp. It will do this if low on fluid.
Can I put an Allison transmission in my 2005 GMC CANYON
Do you send them to holland ?
Do you have any comments on the Allison 10 speed fitted to the Chevy 2500HD ??
Not yet but we are working on these.
Nothing on the 10spd, thats the plan but the issue is CORE availability to offer these. Our technology will work with these but we are not offering these yet.
How about the Allison swap for the 5.9 first Gen????
any change drive shaft length Garrey in AUS
This would be really cool if it actually works like it's supposed to. My buddy tried the same conversion by a different company it was a horrible situation. No reverse lights, remote start didn't work, push button start didn't work, among several other things. The tuning never did get right even with multiple attempts from the company. My buddy finally just gave up and got rid of the truck. Hopefully this is a true plug-and-play system that actually works as this video makes it seem. Also hoping this isn't some 15 or $20,000 modification. Hopefully not any more than about 10,000, and even that is pretty high.
Curtis, Please give him our info as we can most likely help him get this functionality back. Please check out this video showing the functionality working on a 2015. ua-cam.com/video/wJXcipANp7k/v-deo.html
Also, yes that $10,000 mark is more the general price range, not $15-20k. Also install will be about the same as a regular trans job.
@@ATSDieselPerformance I will be checking this video thanks.
@@curtisbull1583 17k
Almost 20 with tax
@@ATSDieselPerformance I just checked a stage one is $13,687
I can't wait to see more about this. Looking hard at this for my 2003 Ram 3500 HO Cummins w/ 48re. A couple of questions. For the driveline changes are the specs known ahead of time so it can be shopped out while doing the swap? 2003 didn't have a tap shifter. Can this be added? Last question, will this work with an exhaust brake? I would reallllllly love to have this capability towing my approx. 14K pound Alpenlite (lite is an inside joke) 5th wheel.
Just build the 48, not as smooth or efficient, but the engine will make more than enough power with some tuning to make up for the lack of gear ratios.
I have a built 48 from ats with copilot in a 03 3500 ho single wheele does great broke the first one by not spending the money for billet input shaft it twisted off taking out tourque converter and oil pump of course they wouldn't warrenty it cause the input shaft was stock so they told me if I bought a billet shaft theyd replace the converter and oil pump but i think I got a billet pump now too so i spent 1100 on that but it was they only way they would check the whole thing out they said if i put a stock one back in for 75 bucks it was what it was so I spent the money had the tranny checked completely it was all good all together i have about 8000 in a 48re and it does pretty well its good for drag racing being a 4 speed with OD it pulls good and is prolly a few thousand cheaper then an allison conversion I bet thats close to 10000 and all I have in my truck is smarty the old one with tnt tune and 125 hp industrial injection injectors air dog 150 and the ats tranny and it was enough to break stock input shaft I didn't think I would but it is a cummins so spend the extra bucks and save the month plus of down time it literally lasted less then 20000 miles before I broke it now its good for like 1300 hp so I should be good for a while and idk how many miles i have on it but its doing good
Still wanting a 10 speed swap.
@@Look_What_You_Did fuel milage. My 18 ram has 342 rear end gears and I average up to 21 1/2 22 miles per gallon if we had a 10 speed and say 325 gears we could possibly get 24+ miles per gallon out of the same truck, also with 342s taking off from a stoplight the truck labors a little so Morgan reduction because I tall or rear end is a good thing. Look at the other two top manufacturers right now GM and Ford are both using a 10 speed. Besides that my big Cummins has a 13 speed and my other one has an 18 speed🤷♂️
@@Look_What_You_Did not a mall crawler, those are real numbers with a properly equipped 3/4 ton. I wasn’t towing at that particular milage, (kinda obvious) but when i do tow I’m around the 15 mpg mark, pretty sure a case 570 loader and 30’ gooseneck don’t qualify as light duty, or mall crawler status. You don’t have the math skills to compete here, literally i spend my days for the most part in a kenworth at the moment, so 🤷♂️. No need for you to come attack me for saying that i want a 10 speed swap in my ram.
Hey, how bout the 5.9 with the crank of a 6.7 with new 10 spd Allison? Can that be done?
Great explanation on the two transmissions for those of us who aren’t trans techs. Cheers from Anthem, AZ.!
Question can I fit that on a LS 6.0 Engine
No not with our Patented Bell Housing that bolts directly up to the cummins, but with a stock bell housing, someone may have an adapter for that
Is your Alison 1000 to a 5.9 or a 6.7 do I need a adapter
BOTH, our Patented bell housing works for both applications
Are you doing the 10 speed also?
How much to swap?