Allison Vs 68RFE Comparison
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- Опубліковано 16 бер 2021
- In this video, ATS President Clint Cannon compares the 68RFE and the Allison LCT1000. He also goes over our all new Allison/Cummins Conversion with our patented bell housing and fully integrated wiring harness.
To find out more about, or pre-order the ATS Allison 1000 for Cummins Conversion:
www.atsdiesel.com/allison-con...
ATS Diesel has engineered the first fully integrated Allison transmission swap for Cummins powered vehicles. Backed by our proprietary TRANSLator® technology and our exclusive, patent-pending Allison to Cummins Bellhousing, the ATS Diesel Allison Swap offers complete factory functionality from your late model Ram; from push button start to tow/haul mode, electronic range select and electronic transfer case functionality. Our revolutionary new TRANSLator can-bridge module allows the Allison TCM to communicate with the Ram ECM and offers a seamless integration of all factory options on the truck with a nearly plug-and-play installation.
Our exclusive, patent-pending Allison to Cummins Bellhousing allows a perfect factory match between the Allison and the Cummins with no additional fabrication required. The all-new ATS Diesel Allison Conversion Kit includes all necessary hardware and software to install an Allison LCT1000 behind your Cummins. - Авто та транспорт
wow, the clutch pack size comparison speaks volumes!!!!!
If I ever do an Allison swap it will DEFINETLY be with your products!
Thank you for the detailed video. Please make a side-by-side comparison of the Aisin to the Allison.
Problem solved... You'll make all us Cummins Dodge guys happy !
Thank you for the clear and concise content.
Exactly what i would want from a rebuilder.
I would love to see how you adapted protocols!!!! I deal with electronics every day in heavy duty and marine applications. I try to stay away from light duty stuff, but you sound like you have a great team behind you. This county need more guys like you!!!!
Perfect timing!!
This is sooo sweet. Put me on the schedule
Can’t wait to get my hands on a kit
Great explanation of the differences between the key components of Allison vs 68RFE! Im ready for the upgrade!
Pretty impressive design to make it all work like you would want.
Great work. I learned a lot. I'll consider a used 6 speed auto Cummins now for an Allison swap. greetings from Seattle, WA.
Must be nice to have an extra 18 grand for a trans swap. Lol
Would love to see a 7.3 conversion kit for the Allison 1000 next from you guys!
Thank god, I need one soon.
I can't wait, but I also wonder what the waiting list will be like lol. I need to do my CP3 conversion to save my fuel system first. I will be ready at the end of 2022 to give you guys a call or im hoping you will have everything worked out by then. As a mechanic this is exciting 😀 keep it up ATS
Trumptards can't afford it.
Back in the 90s I looked through a lot of new 2 1/2 ton delivery trucks on a Sunday. Everyone was a Ford and everyone had a 12 valve Cummins and Allison trans. No manuals on the lot probably 75 trucks.
Nice and I have a Allison 1000 behind my 2000 model 5.9 cummins in a 2005 Chevy Duramax. Would love to have this trans in newer Ram with 6.7.
I would love that in my Squarebody K30 Dually!!!
Very impressive hope your selling this to Chrysler for 2022!!
Nice work and excellent video! What are you learning and what have you see with the new GM "Allison Branded" 10L1000? How are they holding up? What are your thoughts on the transmission? Thank you!
I had an Allison in a motorhome a few years ago. Driving up and down hills with it was effortless. The engine braking and downshifting worked so well I never had to touch my brake pedal. Towing was also pleasant, the transmission never jerked or jumped or hunted for the right gear. Too bad Chrysler didn't offer them as a factory option on the 2500 3500 trucks.
yea right Allison is GM Chrysler ain't going there
Aisin is Toyota and they went there. Unfortunately you have to go to a 3500
@@troydeck3017 It's already confirmed, for the 2022 year RAM moves over exclusively to Allison for the 2500-3500 line of RAMS. Get with the times.
@@quadrifoglio6058 really? Great notice.
@@troydeck3017 well... looks like they changed their minds
The core charge on an Allison is no joke. Doing an even swap and calling it good is huge, considering you can buy up used units from recyclers for pennies on the dollar. I’m curious to see the whole install with a t-case, and how you adapt that. Changing driveline length is a given when doing something like this, so that shouldn’t surprise anybody.
Amazing.
Game changing!!!
This is an awesome comparison I'd love to see the teardown comparison between the g56 and 68rfe
Stick vs auto
Na just the size of the friction and the girth of the input shaft to make the 68 feel smaller.
Here’s a fun fact everybody. One of Clint’s employees had a 07 F350 with a 6.7 Cummins and one of there Allison’s 11 years ago ! Diesel World magazine even did a photo shoot on it.
So he used 3 flawed trucks to make 1 awesome one? 😄👍 now if only any single manufacturer could manage the same accomplishment, maybe next decade 🤦♂️
That's my dream, ford looks and interior quality, Cummings power and torque, and an Allison to handle all that power
@@calebleuciuc670 There’s a Excursion built that way definetly the best family vehicle.
Im so excited. Getting mine in May...
How much is it setting you back?
Well in stock form they told me 10300, but im having mine upgraded to handle a 1000 Hp.
@@andrewclarke6802 how did that work out? Hopefully better than the ATS fully built I bought that was garbage!
@@waterishdrake8693 I actually went with a built 68RFE instead. I was quoted over 12 for the one I was gonna get... My 68 is built to handle a 1000 horse and it's been beat one and never had an issue...
I love the 48 I'll swap to one of those when the time comes .
This is great to hear Clint. What model years do you cover? How late of a RAM can you Allison Swap..?
Awesome kit! When will these be available for the market?
What about the automatic downshift in tow haul mode and the torque converter lock up when the exhaust brake turns on?
Its opposite. The Exhaust brake turns on at the downshift. Not the other way around. And only in tow haul mode. The exhaust brake on a 69 with the shift timing is bad ass towing. Throw you forward in the seat and all you have to do is tap the brakes. I wouldnt want to lose that either, but the causation is opposite.
I've watched like 2 videos with this guy in them an have very quickly decided its a trustworthy company. Very very knowledgeable. An allison isn't in the budget but I'll definitely do some things to the 68rfe using his products now!
Since he NEVER replies to legitimate questions i doubt that.
@Shaw-Man did you ask a question that we didn't address? How can we help you?
Thank you for the kind words Mickey! We appreciate your support!
I have really had an eye for the Dodge 3/4 ton and 1 ton SRW Cummins trucks for a little while now. Especially the 5th gen trucks. The one thing that's always kept me from pulling the trigger on buying one is the transmissions. I've heard so much negative stuff about the trans in dodge trucks. Everyone I know that's had a dodge truck (gas or diesel) has all had transmission issues out of them. And for the price of these trucks, you shouldn't have to worry about if they're going to last.
You know Dodge has to know about the issues they have. I've always wondered how come dodge doesn't sink a little R&D into finding out why their trans keep failing and correct these issues to make them more reliable?
This would be a pretty good powertrain. Cummins with an Allison.
Looks awesome! Will the stock exhaust brake work as well?
You should see the 4000 series Allison in the trucks I work on! They put them behind the Cummins X15 with 1200ftlbs of torque!
The x15 should have more torque then that
1200???? Maybe 2400 i would think. I had a 300 big cam cummins back in the early 80s had had more than that.
Thank YOU !
Please offer individual parts as well as a complete kit. I am doing my research now for a 6.7 Cummins/Allison swap in a 1947 5 ton Gmc. I already have an Allison and would really like to use your bellhousing and torque converter for my swap. Being able to buy the bellhousing would be a huge help so I can do mock-ups and not have to spend all the money up front just so I can start my project.
I hope they do so of you break down on the side of the road in 20 states away you can have the parts shipped and transmission fixed. These are the issues with doing these upgrades and swaps
Well was looking into a g56 swap but after seeing this if the price is right, this would be an amazing upgrade, also would there be just the bell housing and wiring harness for sale? And when you say a “stock swap” will drive shafts need shortened or lengthened? And tuning how would that go with it
Game changer!
Wow, were this will be able, looking forward to it, like to know the cost for this swap. Nice work!!!
Will you be making a kit for the Ford 7.3?
When will you have this package available on your website?
That input shaft shows the entire difference. An 1/8 th inch change in dia is big, goin 1/2" is huge. Torsion stiffness is prop to diameter cubed IIRC. So like 4x the strength with came metal.
What about trans tunning when the truck goes through different tunes. The 68rfe is able to be tuned with the same tuner that is used for the ecm. Can the Allison be tuned with the same tuner for the ecm or will two tuners be required?
"68RFE is a great transmission" aka "68RFE is a great money maker" lol
They don’t call them Another Transmission Soon for nothing
@@OrionsKelt?? ATS ?
The 68 is a great transmission,the problem starts when you mod the engine for more power then hook up a big trailer.If you leave the engine stock you’ll have no problems with the transmission.
@@OrionsKelt
Are you wasv vv ppp0
@@JohnDiMartino2018 failed at 16k miles bone stock no mods
I rather see the comparison of the Aisin to , the Allison , people don't know when they buy a new truck, there a better option at the dealership, the 68rfe is a great light duty trans, but for us working guys , I'm ready to drop in a Eaton transmission.
No one does but its also because as an aftermarket parts company, theres not much you can do to a 69. I have a 14 delete tuned HO. Cant tune the trans. He mentions line pressure is already maxed. He doesnt mention that it has a 4 disc converter which cant really be improved upon in stock form... There are converters you can drop in, but not really tangible improvement. We all know 68s suck. The dramatic effect for the video is better. Not as good to say "look as these two beef shafts" lol. This is going to be mostly for the 68 guys because thats the market opp. They break alot. If you have an AISIN you dont really need an allison unless it breaks. That doesnt happen very often, but its nice to be able to compare costs because like anything... it can break. A bolt in 69 is 7-8K before core. If this is similar price and works with all the creatures like he said? Itd be a better shifting AISIN. Thats the biggest complaint with an AISIN and mine too. Its a clunky shifting beast, but it is a beast. Reminds you youre driving a truck and not a ford taurus.
@@timryan1360 that's only problem with my 69 is the shifting, the banks pedal monster helped a lot with the shift points,
The hate to be the bearer of bad news but the Aisin is not built much stronger than a 68rfe. Put a deleted and tuned 6.7l with a cheetah turbo strong enough for 700hp and 2000lb tq and it breaks also pretty easily.
@@marlboroman71818 what? There is no stock transmission on the planet that can take 700/2000 and it takes more than throwing a cheetah on a 6.7 to get it. If you were at 700hp on a cummins, youre not at 2k tq. If youre at 2k torque youre at more than 700 hp. While we are talking about anecdotal evidence a guy broke his aisin doing a burnout with a 200hp tune. He asked on a more than popular cummins forum if anyone else had ever broken theirs.... crickets. Anything can break but an aisin with a mild tune does not. Cant say that about any other transmission. Including an allison.
@@timryan1360 @tim ryan There are plenty of Factory upgraded turbos that have made 700hp and 2000lbft of torque. Mine is one. If you want to see more I suggest you check out some of firepunks videos. No one said stock transmission. We are talking built 68rfes and Aisins that have no aftermarket support with cummins that actually make the power that easily breaks them just from an upgraded factory turbo, tune, deletes and a few other things.
I need one for my 7.3. Better power, performance, and mpg.
I see a external filter on the transmission, I guess it would better to use a fram ultra synthetic tough guard or different brand that is a better built filter. Does the pan come with a drain plug?
It would be nice if there was a link in the description.
You mentioned in the banks video that the Allison shifts different from the 68. Will I notice a difference if I swap and go to the Allison?
Gonna shift faster
Where do I sign up?!? My 68 is ready to give out.
Is ATS going to be offering these components for independent shops to use or will they be ATS specific and only sold with/on an ATS transmisison?
These will be sold as a kit with or without the transmission. It will be available for shops to install and also provide their own transmission. Individual parts will most likely not be offered.
How much for the bell housing and output shaft for np 205 , that’s all I need ,I need to get rid of the adapter and the nv 271
Can you please post when this will be available?
Holly hell the amount of money it cost to do a conversation…..🤯
I just bought a new Fuso box truck with a 6.0 gas engine.
Has a 1000 series Allison transmission.
I had to get rid of my diesel box truck, the emissions issues/repairs were getting out of control.
I only drive it about 20k miles per year, so even with the fuel savings I was spending more on repair, tows, rentals, downtime than I was saving.
And I didn’t want to go the delete route.
Don’t know all the differences that they can come with.
But the transmission has a 5 year unlimited mile warranty, so I guess they believe in it.
Hello just watched your Allison. 68 swap. Is this just for 2 wheel or 4 wheel drive .will the 4wheel transfer case work with the Allison. What model Allison is this. Have 07 Ram looking into getting into Hot shot . Have gotten some Quotes from ATS on the 68. This is looking and sounds like the way to go. Thank you for reply.Will be making call to speak with sales about swap.
I can't wait to see more about this. Looking hard at this for my 2003 Ram 3500 HO Cummins w/ 48re. A couple of questions. For the driveline changes are the specs known ahead of time so it can be shopped out while doing the swap? 2003 didn't have a tap shifter. Can this be added? Last question, will this work with an exhaust brake? I would reallllllly love to have this capability towing my approx. 14K pound Alpenlite (lite is an inside joke) 5th wheel.
Just build the 48, not as smooth or efficient, but the engine will make more than enough power with some tuning to make up for the lack of gear ratios.
I have a built 48 from ats with copilot in a 03 3500 ho single wheele does great broke the first one by not spending the money for billet input shaft it twisted off taking out tourque converter and oil pump of course they wouldn't warrenty it cause the input shaft was stock so they told me if I bought a billet shaft theyd replace the converter and oil pump but i think I got a billet pump now too so i spent 1100 on that but it was they only way they would check the whole thing out they said if i put a stock one back in for 75 bucks it was what it was so I spent the money had the tranny checked completely it was all good all together i have about 8000 in a 48re and it does pretty well its good for drag racing being a 4 speed with OD it pulls good and is prolly a few thousand cheaper then an allison conversion I bet thats close to 10000 and all I have in my truck is smarty the old one with tnt tune and 125 hp industrial injection injectors air dog 150 and the ats tranny and it was enough to break stock input shaft I didn't think I would but it is a cummins so spend the extra bucks and save the month plus of down time it literally lasted less then 20000 miles before I broke it now its good for like 1300 hp so I should be good for a while and idk how many miles i have on it but its doing good
Alternatively, you should talk to the GearVendorsOverdrive team.
When will this Allison swap be available for purchase
I bought a 1994 Chevy K2500 Detroit Diesel. This is going to be a 5 year project. I plan to replace the motor as it has some cracks in the head and block. My current plan is a new Detroit Diesel and I'm not sure if I should put an Allison trans or a new 4L80 (the original 4L80 is currently in it)...my plan is to produce around 450 HP and be a daily driver. I do love Cummins, but I've heard it is not an easy conversion for this body of truck. I plan to bulletproof the Detroit Diesel. I am 62, so this will be my last truck and I want it a solid daily driver I'll never have to worry about...any recommendations?
Looked all over your website, don't see this amazing conversion anywhere, how much?
Could you find a phone number to call? 🤷♂️
11k
@@benbabcock3818 sounds about right. If I had an auto that needed a build or rebuild, it would be worth consideration. G56 for life. So much cheaper to just upgrade a clutch, and I can do that myself.
We will be announcing pricing and putting info on our site soon. Please give us a call for more information. Thank you for your interest in our products!
@@f5tornadeau my buddy had his 68R take a dump a couple months ago on his way to work and just a rebuild and new converter was somewhere close to the $8k mark so it would be a really good time to upgrade had he known about it. He’s in an 07 dodge 3500 with the 6.7 that’s beefed up a bit from factory
The 7.3 powerstoke would also benefit from the Allison transmission especially when there over a million of them around.
They typically don’t make enough power to kill transmissions🤣 These are generally focused on upgraded trucks making more power, you’re correct any older truck with a 3 or 4 speed auto would benefit from the better shift splits of a 6 speed auto.
Power stroke ain’t no Cummins though…
A built 4r100 is plenty good and in many ways is better than the Allison and a 5r110 or 6r140 would be far superior to the Allison
@@moparproud3978 The current wait time for a built 4R100 is over 6 months now, for a BTS or Sam Wyse. I'd say there are plenty of trucks that could benefit from an Allison conversion!
Talking about the input shaft on the Allison (like Dam)😂
Well now I’m considering maybe upgrading my truck, instead of buying the new 2022 Ram 3500 since they aren’t refreshing the body styling of the newer model like they did for the 1500. Plus I’m still going to need this upgrade for what I’m going to use my truck for
RAM in 2022 has already announced to be moving over to Allision for the 2500-3500
That all cool and all but do u offer a 1000hp Allison swap?
Any differences between that Allison and the Allison 1000's that's mated behind a Cummins isb170?
Which cummins engine is that new bellhousing compatible with? Only 6.7s or all the way to old school 12 valves?
Only the 6.7s but any 6.7 truck from 2007.5 to now
@@gabranmitchell9722 I got in touch with ATS and apparently this will also bolt to a 12 valve through a 47RH/RE adapter plate. Time will tell. "A few more weeks" before it's available. But they also said that a month ago.
@@etiennegignac Where will the transmission get it's control signals
@@1STGeneral Standalone controller. ATS is developing one but there are already some options available on the market.
Check out this video ua-cam.com/video/bQh8jpVHxbo/v-deo.html They have an adapter plate that fits both 12 valve and 6.7
I have a 2002 dodge with the 5.9 in it. It has the stock factory tranmission in it. I have had it rebuilt twice since I have had the truck. The stock transmission is truly not big enough. I have always wanted to put a Allison Transmission in it
Two rebuilds in 21 years and you are complaining. They are a wear item. Your existing transmission can be built to hold that little 5.9 no problem. That transmission was sorted before your truck was even built.
Do you have a stand alone controller for the Allison? Looking to put one behind a Ppump 24 valve cummins in my 85 1ton dually
honest Question how does the Fuel Eco look and on top of that i have a tuner in my truck and its deleted will this work with the tuner and is it being delete ok for this swap?
When will there be one available for the 5.9 cummins with the 48RE?
Never. The ecm is different on the 03 versus the later years.
Hmm got to say you've definitely peaked my interest. I found a 68RFE rebuildable core about 6 months after getting our truck so have been planning on doing something just haven't decided if I wanted to build it myself or buy one already built. I certainly like the idea of getting away from the 68RFE but my question is what's the difference in cost if I'm looking for something that will handle say 600hp? We have a 2008 2500 Megacab 2wd. I'm not looking to race or anything else just thinking about adding compounds for lower EGT's and more power while towing circa 14-17k. Thanks for the information.
That Allison will probably be repulsively expensive
You can rebuild a 68rfe 5 times for what this costs. Add a billet torque converter and your all set! I'm at 237k on this rebuild with the billett converter. I like the 68 and I haul heavy weight all over the country. I love the work they are doing for sure! I would love to have the allison...every man's dream but knowing what I know, I wouldn't do it.
Will you be making an install video?
Hey, how bout the 5.9 with the crank of a 6.7 with new 10 spd Allison? Can that be done?
I can't seem to find the Allison package for a 2021 Ram 6.7 Cummins on ATS's website...
Just found your channel and great info. I own a 2012 4x4 auto trans. I have 56,000 miles on it. My question is I'm starting to notice on cold starts and when I put it in gear that it seems like it takes about 30 second to slowly move. I called the dealership and they said that's normal. What's your thoughts. Is my auto trans starting to go out or ?.
Sounds like pump failure in progress. Check your fluid levels at operating temp. It will do this if low on fluid.
I already have your stage 3 68 RFE with copilot. Will y’all offer a trade up program for those of us with your 68 RFE transmissions already? If so, I know I and several other guys would definitely be interested in that!
I have their stage 4 and have had to have it replaced 4-5 times.... and still have 5th and 6th clutch pack slipping issues with their installer magnolia diesel now ignoring my calls and not returning my messages even though it was still under warranty.
I HAVE THEIR STAGE 5 ON MY 2004.5 CUMMINS. YOU GUYS ARE MAKING ME NERVOUS
is there a provision for increasing HP and torque as provided by the AISIN option when upgrading from a 69...
Need a video asap on comparison or break down of the 10L1000 "Allison" trans. I'm about to spend 100k on this and only trust you guys.
Was the only reason I went with gm was the Allison now not there. Do I buy a ram with a Cummins now?
🍻 Thank you!
I have never had trouble with my 68rfe but I have kept everything stock I would like to have more power but have not done so because of the 68rfe sucks so now I can do that
Awesome video. Super super informative.
Dodge Ram 6.7 liter with the AISIN transmission. We towed a large fifth travel trailer across the continental divide. ThIs truck went up the rockies ON CRUISE CONTROL. This truck descended the Rockies on CRUISE CONTROL & EXHAUST BRAKE. This is a ALL STOCK (Factory) truck.
This truck is FOR SALE. Low miles.
FOR THE SAME PRICE AS THE ALLISON CONVERSION, you can purchase a TRUCK WITH THE AISIN TRANSMISSION, Plus ANY REPAIRS & Parts (6.7 Cummins/AISIN) are as close as your local DODGE RAM DEALER.
JUST LEAVE A COMMENT if interested.
THANKS
You are correct, Dodge Ram spent millions engineering the Cummins/AISIN combination.
It's very important to have a dealership shop with factory support and techs.
Just imagine driving into a Dodge Ram shop with a Allison conversion.😮😫
@@albundy8052
Yes I agree with you AL.
YOU are so intelligent.
Contact me about your truck please
I need something like this for my lifted turbo ram Hemi, has a 65rfe. I’ll be your Guinea pig!
OK... I'm sold. I want one. LOL!
When will I be able to purchase one and how much is the package going to be.
My guess $7500....to start
Will this Complete Allison Transmision Swap work on a deleted dodge?
@@vergesbahe6169 Did you get a response?
When will this kit be available?
When a customer waits 3 months for his trans to get repaired under warranty from ats, then has to pay for the labor to r&r as well, that's some bs. Not a company I would do business with after that fiasco.
I've got the other guys kit in my 1st gen how would you interface with the 518 tcm. ( I kept the tcm for the grid controller.
Can I go with Alison on my 2004 dodge 2500 -5.9 Cummins?
Because I repaired the transmission with heavy duty stuff and I’m no happy with it because overheating since the beginning of the repair.
Are you doing the 10 speed also?
I can tell you first hand you can push a stock allison input way past 600hp try like 800. Did it for years. I wonder what generation allison this is they are using.
I wonder how soon I’ll see one of this units been rebuilt @ Precision transmission channel.
Lots of lies and misinformation coming from that channel. Don't believe everything a competitor says about another company.
Thank you for your information or correctly misinformation
What is a price to buy outright to handle 1k hp?
i have a dodge 2008 3500 dually i have a problem with my transmission i went to see it is an allisson and a ring broke inside the flywhell and the transmission cracked. how to weld?
If this fits in to 2000 24 v 5.9 with 47re.. I'm down to get it.
When are you planning to make these kits available?
Please give us a call for availability information. Thank you for your interest in our products!
I'll be ordering one for my truck. I keep destroying 6th in my nv5600
I am still having trouble finding this package please let me know where to order please and thanks
I'd like to see a conversion kit for the 10 speed allison for the 5th gen rams
Just buy GM truck. Now all your problems are fixed.
@@hyrumh8305 good idea. Buy a gm truck and do a cummins swap.